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Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with

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Speaker 1: Blue Joe Grande and Marking Craig Wasserman the Pot Brothers

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Speaker 1: at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one, the

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Speaker 1: in the universe. Baby. I just think you sound fantastic

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Speaker 1: at Underscore, law Marks at wast Law. Craig is that

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Speaker 1: wast Law Dog Blue is at one Christopher writes, and

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Speaker 1: I am at Joe Grand d fifty two. Now our

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Speaker 1: because Mark said, Joe, You're not gonna believe this story.

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Speaker 1: We got this guy. He's a monster. He's as big

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Speaker 1: big monster himself Jared Ambo, a criminal defense attorney and

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen that's received a lot a lot of

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Speaker 1: media attention. Now his client, Anthony Template, pled no contest

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Speaker 1: walk us through, man, how how did this case come

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Speaker 1: saying that it was abut the step mom is saying it,

426
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: and he had a step brother that lived with him,

427
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 1: and tell about a year and a half before he's

428
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna confirm. So everyone in the house is gonna confirm.

429
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: But no one out of the house has any confirmation

430
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: that he was being abused at all. No one, no

431
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: family members of the dad, no friends, no neighbors, no

432
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: there's no worker, there's no nothing else right, there's no

433
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: one else to why so we have to I have

434
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 1: to create this evidence of the of the abuse by

435
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: hiring a forensic psychologist and getting a real, you know,

436
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: a full evaluation done. And we hired a lady that

437
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: practices in Louisiana and Colorado. She came in and interviewed everyone,

438
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: went to records, and sixteen hours with my client and

439
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: produced a hundred and thirty five page expert report. And

440
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 1: that's a pretty penny out of your pocket. Yeah, it

441
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't free. Yeah she did. Hey, no, so

442
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: you know that she was great. She cut her fee

443
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: in half, but she she was it was still out

444
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that's something to to address, you know. You

445
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: the pro bono fee, that no fee for the attorney

446
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: who's paying these costs? Did? I mean that's even extra.

447
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: That's that's beautiful, you know so you continue, hats off

448
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: to you again, that out, you know. So we so

449
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: we get her to get this report. I turned it

450
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: over the d A. It looks like we are you know,

451
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: we are. We are three weeks from the next court date.

452
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: I really am trying to wrap this case up. The

453
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: first assistant comes back to me and she says, manslaughter.

454
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: She's a manslaughter still, manslaughter is the intentional killing in

455
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: Louisiana's pttential killing of the human being without the opportunity

456
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: for cool reflection, done in the heat of the moment,

457
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: or passion without the opportunity for cool reflection. And so

458
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: it's it's like the heat of passion killing, right. It's

459
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: that thing where you, you know, the classic as you

460
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: walk in somebody's you know, cheating on your wife and

461
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: shoot the dude and you don't, you know, it's like, well, okay,

462
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: maybe we're kind of justified, so we're not gonna give

463
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 1: you a second to your murdered. But it's manslaughter. But

464
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: mansloaders zero to forty years in Louisiana only probatable in

465
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: some in some instances, most people get at least fifteen

466
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: or twenty years in manslaughter basis. So my client's stilloking

467
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: a ton of time and half his life, right, he's

468
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty years and so she won't come off of

469
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: manslaughter for ship. She gives the report to the elected

470
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: distric attorney, the guy that I know well, and we

471
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: have a meeting the day before. No three days for

472
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: four days a fourth court, Yeah, three days before course.

473
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: So the meeting gets passed and we don't meet. I

474
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: go to court. She's she tells the judge, we're going

475
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: right now. To me, surprised to me. I go into

476
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: the room with her and the Disgrit attorney. We talked

477
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: for a few minutes. I talked about the report. They

478
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: have some concerns like, are there any is there any

479
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: victim impact? We're gonna have to have a victim impact statement,

480
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: I say, And the district Journey agrees with me that

481
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: the line Disgrit Journey, the first assistant, no one, no

482
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: one is gonna take that down on his path, his mother,

483
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: not his best friend. Nobody, nobody wants. Nobody wants Anthony

484
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: to go to jail. Nobody thinks that. Everybody sort of

485
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: things that this was justified, which is weird because none

486
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: of them they all say they never saw any abuse.

487
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: But everybody's like, we didn't see any abuse, but you know, yeah,

488
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: we get it. Wow, can you elaborate? But in this

489
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: strange because yourself in this situation though, I told her

490
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: and him both this said, look, what if you're this

491
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: guy's best friend and you see the abuse, you've seen it,

492
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: and it ends up like this, are you gonna admit

493
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: that you saw it afterwards? A You're gonna be like, yeah,

494
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: I saw the abuse for years. I just sat around

495
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. Yeah, yeah, you're like, nobody wants to

496
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: admit that ship, right. So I told them, I said,

497
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, you should you should measure their statements about

498
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: naziing abuse on the nature of, you know, how how

499
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: badly they want having to be put in jail, because

500
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: if they knew there was no abuse, if they like

501
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: believe there was no abuse, but they want his ass

502
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: in jail for murdering I mean obviously, right, that's human nature. Right.

503
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: So we're in the middle of this conversation. She says

504
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: something about manslaughter and they're like the DA says, no, no no, no, look,

505
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: I think we're thinking about negligent homicide. I was blown away,

506
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: literally almost started crying in his office, like like instantly.

507
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: I just was was blown away and I and I

508
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: gathered myself up enough to say, you know just here

509
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: that you're going to give this you agree to give

510
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: this kid negligent homicide, which doesn't fit. And he said it, well,

511
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: I it doesn't fit, but I think the judge will

512
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: not object to us taken think in this case of

513
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: through outcome, given he's given your expert report, given what

514
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: we've read. You know, um, I think this is the

515
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: right outcome. And so that's a probatable, not a crime

516
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: of violence. It's expungeable from his record and probable. Wow.

517
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: And so he just had five years probation and that's it.

518
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we waited thirty days. They wanted another report.

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: They had a local psychologist had talked to the kid

520
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: and got him out on bond. We've gotten him out

521
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: on month. Um. They wanted to get him a statement

522
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: from him that he didn't paid the bond. I gotta

523
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: keeping he got him out on bond. Who paid the bond?

524
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: So we got him Uh, we actually got him released

525
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: without paying the bond. Yeah, onto an ankle monitor and

526
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: the judge. You know again we told the judge I

527
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: took it from Bono and then the judge and I

528
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: know each other. You know, I thought you're gonna say

529
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: it was sponsored by someone when you leaned in like that,

530
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: like actually sponsored Cajian kitchen over here on street. How's

531
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: he doing now? I mean, you know, right now, I mean,

532
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: is there is there? You know, is he working? He's

533
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: working full time. We're we're working together. You know. I

534
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: told I told the judge that I would not abandoned it.

535
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: And I said, I'm not gonna just walk away from

536
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: this kid. It's not some regular client for me. Um.

537
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: We are, we are. I'm gonna stay with him, I'm

538
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk to him, I'm gonna spend time with him.

539
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna mentor him. And so

540
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: I talked to him once every week or so. We're

541
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: working on getting my place to live right now, making

542
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: sure he staying compliant with his his probation, and he is.

543
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: He was a model citizen when he was out during

544
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, actually been a COVID night shutdown. He stayed

545
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: like a model citizen. Um, you know, just that everything

546
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to do, and he's doing it now. He's

547
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: working full time and just trying to build his life right.

548
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: We're trying to get him, uh the Junior League of

549
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: some I don't know, some organization and and Rouge's Uh,

550
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: they're doing stuff with educating him, trying to get him

551
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: some education and get him you know, high high school

552
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: equivalent to the diploma. Just trying to get him, you know,

553
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: set up where he can have some kind of life. Man.

554
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: That that's you know, that's meaningful, um, because he's been

555
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: given this out ttunity to maybe the first opportunity he's

556
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: ever had to have a life we wanted to be,

557
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, not not um, you don't want to be

558
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: as full as it can be. Now did did his

559
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: his mom or his stepmom take him in? So he

560
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: lives with the step mom still today and the stepbrother

561
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: who moved back in with her. There's some friction there.

562
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: That's not easy, you know. I mean, there's a lot

563
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of trauma in this group of people. UM,

564
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: and so he's you know, he's he's working on getting out.

565
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: We're working on getting him out of that. But it's tough,

566
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: you know. I Mean, he's a young man, is never

567
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: who hasn't hardly know education, and so it's very difficult

568
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 1: for him to have a job. Um. He's working at

569
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: a gas station right now, and that's not great money

570
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: to be able to support yourself. But we're trying to

571
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: collect them some money up from other sources and maybe

572
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: give him some opportunity to you gave this kid his life.

573
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: You you gave this kid his life. It's so so incredible.

574
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: I just, uh, I take my hat off, you know,

575
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: like I go ahead, and now I I it's a

576
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: little get a little choked up. You know, you hear,

577
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: you hear everything that happened with this kid and the abuse,

578
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: and and you know I can resonate with what you said,

579
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: what's abuse? You know, me and my brother we had

580
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: fantastic parents. We were fortunate. We didn't we didn't see

581
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: any of that. We didn't have any of that. But

582
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: as attorneys and as a criminal defense attorney, I've certainly

583
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: seen my share of sad stories like that. And I

584
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: know how it feels when you help somebody who gets

585
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: caught in the middle and they really didn't do anything,

586
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: but they're looking at some big charges like that and

587
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: being able to save his life. Man, Well, let me

588
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: play devil's advocate right here a little bit, Jared, And

589
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: as you do so well, as I do, thank you

590
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: so much, and say, you know it so abuse equals death,

591
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, are you getting some heat for

592
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: getting this kid off for killing a man? I mean,

593
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. The man killed somebody period.

594
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: So if I'm getting punched, hit made fun of, I

595
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: can go kill someone. Now you're gonna get me out

596
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: of that. I'm of course being playing Devil's advocate, and

597
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you've hit him that night. That

598
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: didn't hit him at all that night, didn't even touch it. Right,

599
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: You're like, you're making how do people It's not just

600
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: someone picking on him and stuff, it's a systematic Okay,

601
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I could turn that and say that she's racist. As

602
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a Mexican guy, I'm tired of white people picking on me.

603
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm tired of white people doing this to me. Everywhere

604
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I go, white people turn away from me. Marks holding

605
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: his wallet. On the other side of analogy, I'm asking,

606
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know it might be, but if you're saying

607
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: it's systematic, that's a systematic treatment towards me. But if

608
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: this is a systematic treatment towards him, meaning I'm just saying,

609
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: you're an attorney and he's on you, I think. I think, Joe,

610
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: you have to remember is that you've got a kid

611
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: that has has probably you know, and we all don't

612
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: know him. But I'm just playing Devil's advocate. Well, he

613
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: was locked away for his whole life. Kid that has

614
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: no education, hold on, that has been locked, you know,

615
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: away from people beaten. Well, he has an education, he

616
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't having a school education. There's a difference. He

617
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: didn't he's never been to school. That's what I heard

618
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to the counsel, Jared, Is that correct?

619
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: He has education, he was just never educated at school.

620
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: He was not homeschooled either, so he's not educated at all.

621
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: So where did you hear that? You know? I assume again,

622
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: what do you say, mom my, mom alive? Again? Sorry

623
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: you guys, You're right, I'm an idiot, But I assume

624
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: that by the way that way you heard it right,

625
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: You did say it that way, thank you. He did

626
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: say that way that he did not know he said

627
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: he was educated me because he has conversations exactly, but

628
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: he didn't go to school, is how I took it.

629
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: As he's professionally educated. Well, and I agree with that,

630
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, but either way, it doesn't matter.

631
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: Let's just look at the facts. And I'm just wondering

632
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: from the facts alone, Jared, are you getting heat from

633
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: anybody saying here's the answer to answer the question? I

634
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: getting heated. Yes, But here's the cruxy man. The very

635
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Speaker 1: person who was supposed to protect him and and help

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Speaker 1: him and give him life and encourage him and love

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Speaker 1: him abused him all the time. The very person he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to look to for or for safety. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like he was the part of something to

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Speaker 1: feel like he was whole man ripped it right out

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Speaker 1: of him every single day. That equals you can kill

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Speaker 1: him then, so you no, but but but I mean,

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Speaker 1: what what sounds awesome is you basically got to argue

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Speaker 1: your case but didn't, thank God, because we never want

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Speaker 1: to go before a jury because God knows what a

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Speaker 1: Durny will do at the end of the day. But

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Speaker 1: it sounds like you got to passionately plead your case,

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Speaker 1: you know, without having to take it that far, and

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Speaker 1: got that resolve that because God knows what could happen

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Speaker 1: at a Durnke drive. So here's the cool news. We

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Speaker 1: try to do it. J I'll tell you that's the same.

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Speaker 1: It's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: and we'll hear from the jury. Take a hit, get lit,

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Speaker 1: and sit back and enjoy Cannabis Talk one on on

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Speaker 1: Mark and Craig depop Ruthers, that Law Blue and Big

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Speaker 1: Joe Grande. We want to take a minute to thank

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Speaker 1: all the great help we have Erica, Priscilla Able Branded

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Speaker 1: Pit Peanut, Jennifer and of course Elvis out in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for helping us put this show together.

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Speaker 1: And before we get to my favorite part of the show,

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Speaker 1: the high five, we're gonna come back to Jared Ambo

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Speaker 1: And you just said before the break, this actually went

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Speaker 1: to a jury. There's a sort of there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a surprise in this story, right and the surprises.

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Speaker 1: About a month after I took this case, I was

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Speaker 1: contacted by a production company who was interested in filming

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Speaker 1: this matter for a document. I can't just close where

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Speaker 1: that document is being filmed or in the production coming years,

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Speaker 1: but follow us around for eight Jean months and filmed

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Speaker 1: the entire thing. Part of what we did um in

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: our preparation for the case was we hired a company

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Speaker 1: to do a mock trial a couple knew that has

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Speaker 1: a research PhD psychologist at its head, and she qualified

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Speaker 1: as six person jury and we tried this case to her.

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Speaker 1: My best friend played the prosecutor. We presented witness by

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Speaker 1: witness with power points. You know, if I and we

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Speaker 1: would get up and say if I was you know,

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Speaker 1: he would say also jamining this witness, she would say

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Speaker 1: boom boom, boom boomom when I get up and say,

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Speaker 1: I would cross examine and by saying bam bam bam

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Speaker 1: bam the whole nine, right, And we did openings. We

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Speaker 1: did that for each witness. Then the expert we had

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Speaker 1: we had recorded her doing like a five minute sort

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Speaker 1: of synopsis of her report. And then we did closing arguments,

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Speaker 1: and we David did the jury, and we we filmed

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Speaker 1: the jury deliberating this case. And they went into the

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Speaker 1: jury room. Four manslaughter, two nug building. Wow, four manslaughter,

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Speaker 1: two nug builds. So what did that mean? Well, that

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Speaker 1: would have meant it was a hung jury. Right, Well, no,

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Speaker 1: they I mean they never go in right, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you right now, jury's never go in unanimous. They go

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Speaker 1: in all over the place and then they start to

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Speaker 1: talk and they do this deliberation right, jury deliberatortion and

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Speaker 1: go back and forth and they know this this the case.

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Speaker 1: Now did you hear this? Not this thing? You know,

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Speaker 1: like it's really incredible to watch them do it. I've

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Speaker 1: not had a chance to watch a jury deliberate one

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Speaker 1: of my cases before because it's a secret thing, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to watch the jury deliberate. And so

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Speaker 1: I got to watch the jury deliberate and use my terms,

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Speaker 1: use my metaphors, use my my words, man, use the

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Speaker 1: stuff that we the way that we told the story

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Speaker 1: to them. They used it. You know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: the guy that he had imprisoned him and it was

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Speaker 1: like a prison, this house was, man, and the kid

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Speaker 1: had had PTSD. I mean, the expert tolt us at PTSD.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's why he was. She felt like was justified,

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Speaker 1: reasonable under the circumstances to us deadly fortunate under the circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Talked about all that, and they went in that room

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Speaker 1: and they started they started deliberating, going back and forth,

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Speaker 1: and the and the two not guilties used my language, man,

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00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: They used the stuff we talked about, and they were

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Speaker 1: just pounded away, pounded away, pounded away. And they took

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Speaker 1: another vote and it was three three, and it took

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Speaker 1: another vote and there was two four or four not

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Speaker 1: guilty to manslaughter, and went to lunch, came back three

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Speaker 1: and a half hours later and they took a vote. Man,

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00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: it's not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty,

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Speaker 1: not an animus, not guilty. And you talked about losing, man,

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Speaker 1: I've lost it. They were they were filming us in

721
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: the room because we were watching on closed circuit, you know,

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00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: and they were they were in another part of the building.

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: We were watching them. Man, they came back, not guilty. Man.

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Speaker 1: Every client I've acquitted, every every human being that I've

725
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: sat next to me and walked out of a courtroom.

726
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: And it happens every time. They just all come rushing back. Man,

727
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: about these lives, these people, these human beings, man, and

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Speaker 1: there and justice. You know, is that before or after

729
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: you pledged this one out? That was before we pled

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Speaker 1: that's a good feeling. Well for those who are interested.

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Speaker 1: Once again, we're talking to the attorney, attorney Jared Ambo,

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Speaker 1: and his client was Anthony Templates and uh, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, he yeah, pled no contest to

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Speaker 1: negligent homicide to the death of his father, Bert Template.

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Speaker 1: So well, we're gonna keep our eyes open for that. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your story. A month ago it could occurred, right, Yeah,

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00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: so it's a it's all still fresh and new and

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Speaker 1: if a production company followed, you're gonna keep our eyes

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Speaker 1: open for it, and God William will see it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pry, so I like I was

741
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Speaker 1: told strictly, don't Prian, I'm not prying. Just get we've

742
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: not been given a permission to save the company yet.

743
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: But it's the Doctor cocumentary should be out this point.

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00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: So um and this fall now that we know it's

745
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Speaker 1: this fall, I mean, is there a name that we

746
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: can leak as well or just this fall? Look for

747
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: something with you? Right, have Anthony template title, so I

748
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's a working title. Bottom line, it's a

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Speaker 1: homicide case in two thousand nineteen with a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: old boy who kills his father. So yeah, I think, well,

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be able to There's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: five four of those ones, I don't think, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know, my Disney Louisiana baby, Yeah, I doubt there

754
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Speaker 1: will be a few of those. Well, thanks for the

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00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: story man, that is so incredible. Now it's our favorite

756
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: time to do the high five with all of our

757
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: guests that come on and Jared ambo is, a criminal

758
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Speaker 1: defense attorney and DNA expert. Question number one, how old

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Speaker 1: are you the first time you smoke cannabis and where'd

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Speaker 1: you get it from? Eleven? I took it from under

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Speaker 1: the bed under my mother's mom smoked in where in

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Speaker 1: the tupper? Where when I grew up? When they used

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Speaker 1: to see my dad man with the seeds, seeding to

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Speaker 1: get the seeds out. I was born in sixty nine, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a childhood. Question number two, what's your favorite way

766
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Speaker 1: to smoke or use cannabis? I don't. I haven't. I

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00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: haven't done it since nineteen seven. Way, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I did no, I'm sorry sorry eight some gummies in

769
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Speaker 1: Colorado like six years ago. But you forgot you remembered.

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Speaker 1: Still it's there. It was a well. Look, I'm like

771
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: super susceptible to to drugs I get I have a trip.

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00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I have like a like an acid experience when I

773
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Speaker 1: get high, Like every like, how do I do that? Look?

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't done it. I've done it once

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Speaker 1: since I was sixteen. So maybe that's just normal. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe everybody feels that way, But I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm tripping man like everybody different everything. Question number

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Speaker 1: three of the High five Craziest place You've ever used

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00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: or smoked cannabis? Garden of the Gods in Colorado. That's

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Speaker 1: where we were when I did when I was nice?

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Speaker 1: What how? How was it? What happened? Tell us the

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00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: story the trip man, my wife. Just first of all,

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Speaker 1: I did what everybody told me not to do, which

784
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Speaker 1: is I ate when I was like, that ain't ship,

785
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. Everybody told me not to do that.

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Speaker 1: Ship the kick in and I got high, man, I

787
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: don't do it every time. Ship and looking in the

788
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Speaker 1: mirror and stuff. I couldn't figure out if I was

789
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Speaker 1: in the mirror and I was messed up. So it

790
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Speaker 1: was hilarious. A man ate all this. It was very later.

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Speaker 1: I did all the ship that I did when I

792
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Speaker 1: was sixteen. It was like a goofy a kid. It's

793
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Speaker 1: kind of fun, honestly, but I just it doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: with me. I can't eat function like that. Right. That's

795
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: the beauty of cannabis, you know, not for everybody, alright.

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Speaker 1: Question number four If the Cannabis Talk one on one

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Speaker 1: High five with Jared Ambo, criminal defense attorney, DNA expert

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Speaker 1: out of Louisiana. What is then your go to munchies

799
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Speaker 1: after you get high? Funny man, you know, I I'm not.

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00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm freaking healthier ship man. So it looks like cookies,

801
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: that's about it. But what kind of cooking chocolate chip

802
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: vanilla wafers we're gonna get to? Oh no, no, I'm

803
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: a I'm a healthier open raisin with little nuts in him, right,

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00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: get the little protein snack. In their question number five

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Speaker 1: of the High five, Jared Ambo, if you could smoke

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Speaker 1: cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would it be?

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00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: And why? Oh man, that's a great question. Um m,

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel kN who's that? Emmanuel kind k A n T.

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00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: He wrote what I think is the definitive book on

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Speaker 1: ethics and morality. Uh and and uh. He's incredible human being, brilliant.

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Speaker 1: His book is sixty three pages long. It's the most

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Speaker 1: incredible book I've ever written and I've ever read in

813
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Speaker 1: my life. I'd love to get happy to talk about

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00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: ethics and morals. And what's the name of the book.

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Speaker 1: It's called the Work of the Metaphysics of Morals. Emmanuel

816
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Kant and he he essentially awoke, as he called it

817
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: his Doug slumber. He was he is the father of

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Speaker 1: modern ethics essentially. All right, that's awesome. Well, thank you, brother,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you coming on with us. Those answers

820
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: are fantastic. Is there anything else that you'd like to

821
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: tell the the fans out there that are listening about

822
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: your scenario that happened that we miss Did we miss anything?

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00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't think so, man, You know, look, it's a

824
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: it's a um. You know. I don't want to I

825
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be the star of the story. Man.

826
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Speaker 1: The truth of it is is that there are a

827
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Speaker 1: lot of people that did the right thing here, including

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Speaker 1: the elected d A. But most of all, man, there's

829
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Speaker 1: a there's a young man like human being, a little

830
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: soul who um was shipped on by his dad all

831
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Speaker 1: of his life and and he managed to find his

832
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: way back to life and uh and for me to

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Speaker 1: have been a little part of that has has been, uh,

834
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: like a few other of my cases, the honor of

835
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: my life to be able to to have served in

836
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: that way. It is my purpose in life to be

837
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: of service, and to be able to serve that young

838
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: man in that way. I just can't think of anything

839
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: better to have done with my life. All Jared, we

840
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: want to thank you for joining the show. It's Cannabis

841
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Speaker 1: Talk one oh one. Remember this. If no one else

842
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: loves you, we do. Thank you for listening to Cannabis

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