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Speaker 1: Music music.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 3: This is our show where we look back on and

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Speaker 3: edit together our old episodes from 2018, this time with

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Speaker 3: all new insights and case updates.

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Speaker 2: Today we're rewinding to episode 117, which we named Realities Cancelled.

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Speaker 4: I stand by that.

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Speaker 5: It has been.

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Speaker 3: That's when the timeline jumped. This episode originally came out

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Speaker 3: April 19th, 2018.

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Speaker 4: Let's get into it. The intro to episode 117.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to My Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 2: The podcast where we know exactly where you are.

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Speaker 5: Every time. Introduce you in the very beginning.

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Speaker 3: You're baffled when you hit play and stare at our

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Speaker 3: logo until we tell you where you are.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to start with corrections corner? Do you

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Speaker 2: want me to start with telling you something crazy that happened?

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Speaker 3: I will start with saying that I did a tweet

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Speaker 3: about me belching so loudly that people heard me. on

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Speaker 3: the street right and it was very embarrassing and lots

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Speaker 3: of people responded and were like i knew i was

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Speaker 3: a karen and the irony of that is the way

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Speaker 3: one of the way georgia and i became friends one

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Speaker 3: of the icebreakers from the very beginning was we were

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Speaker 3: at a thanksgiving dinner at our friend's house very small

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Speaker 3: party we didn't we we knew each other from talking

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Speaker 3: once at a party yeah i believe And Georgia, almost

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Speaker 3: the entire party was belching. And I could not stop laughing.

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Speaker 3: It was my favorite fucking thing in the world. And

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Speaker 3: so when that happened and people were like, I'm such

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Speaker 3: a Karen, I was like, I wonder if Georgia's going

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Speaker 3: to get mad that I just stole her thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm angry that you stole the most embarrassing thing

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Speaker 2: about me. That's so gross that my mom is so

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Speaker 2: ashamed of. That clearly just indicates that I have some

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Speaker 2: gastrointestinal issues. I mean, join the club. I guess we

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Speaker 2: all do. But I want you to have it. I

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Speaker 2: want you to have that. I want you to be

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Speaker 2: known for that instead of me. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, I have clearly moved into that because I

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Speaker 3: made this burp.

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Speaker 5: I put my hand up to cover my mouth. I

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Speaker 5: will say that for myself. Right.

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Speaker 3: But I think that made it, there's an echo effect

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Speaker 3: that was created because of my hand cupping. And so

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Speaker 3: it was like I was yodeling a burp across Magnolia.

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Speaker 5: Avenue in Burbank.

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Speaker 2: They're going to start bringing you on stage at Coachella

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Speaker 2: to fucking yodel your burps.

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Speaker 3: Fuck the yodeling boy. Let's get me belching into a microphone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I once belched out the window in the passenger seat

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Speaker 2: on like, in like Beverly Hills and like angled it

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Speaker 2: out the window and next to us in the, at

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Speaker 2: the stoplight rolled down and the windows rolled down or

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Speaker 2: maybe his car top up. Cause he was so rich, uh,

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Speaker 2: who I angled it at was the dude from, um, uh,

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Speaker 2: American Idol, uh, Who, Ryan Seacrest?

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Speaker 5: Yes. Oh, no. I vouched right at him. And he

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Speaker 5: was like, you're going to Hollywood. And then Randy Jackson

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Speaker 5: popped up and was like, little pitchy, little pitchy on

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Speaker 5: that one. Speaking of pitchy, we just. Wow. We just

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Speaker 5: sang Stephen, happy birthday. His birthday was yesterday. You guys,

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Speaker 5: it's Stephen Ray Morris's first. 31st birthday.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I feel old. No, you are. You're so old. Um, we,

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Speaker 2: we celebrated with a, uh, I was like, what do we,

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Speaker 2: we have to get, uh, Steven, like a dinosaur cupcake

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Speaker 2: or something. And then Vince went to the grocery store

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Speaker 2: last night and came back with this, uh, Hello Kitty

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Speaker 2: birthday cake in the most like insane box.

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Speaker 5: It And then we ate it. We ate it.

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Speaker 1: My heart is racing right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Stephen had two pieces.

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Speaker 2: I was like, do you want me to throw this away?

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Speaker 2: He was like, no, I want another piece. And he's

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Speaker 2: having coffee.

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Speaker 3: My theory is that it wasn't ice cream per se.

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Speaker 3: It was just ice cream like frosting. Like it was

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Speaker 3: just an entire frosting cake.

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Speaker 2: Frozen frosting. Frozen frosting cake. With frosting on the outside. Yep.

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Speaker 5: And confetti.

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Speaker 2: And confetti. It was pretty great.

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Speaker 1: It was so amazing.

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Speaker 5: Happy birthday, Stephen.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Can you tell us what you've learned in the past year? Ooh.

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Speaker 1: Pay your parking tickets.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Which is, I think, what you told me last year.

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Speaker 5: Yes. Really? And so that worked for you?

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Speaker 2: Yes. This has worked? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Great. We just pass.

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Speaker 3: Wisdom like this. You're saying don't delay. Do it right away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because then it just has like anxiety because you just

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Speaker 1: see it sitting in your backseat and you're just like,

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Speaker 1: you already know that money's gone. But then, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Or you know you're late anyway, so you don't pay it.

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Speaker 2: And then you realize the first time you knew you

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Speaker 2: were late, you weren't late and you could have not

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to the

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Speaker 2: city of Los Angeles for parking tickets.

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Speaker 3: When I lived in San Francisco, I'd get tickets all

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Speaker 3: the time and I would I would park in the

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Speaker 5: Because I just couldn't find a spot ever.

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Speaker 3: And then I found out that I owed San Francisco

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Speaker 3: $ 800 in parking tickets.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

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Speaker 3: I wish I had a recording of the way my

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Speaker 3: dad was yelling on the phone. Because in the middle,

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Speaker 3: I was all scared and upset as he's yelling at me.

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Speaker 3: And then I realized, oh, I'm not at home anymore.

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Speaker 3: This is like, I can just pull the phone away

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Speaker 5: I don't have to just listen to him yell. You

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Speaker 5: don't have to listen to your parents anymore.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 5: Even though he was 100% right. I was just like,

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Speaker 5: all right, talk to you later. Go ahead and pay that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, pay it.

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Speaker 2: I did a fucking rookie thing as someone who's lived

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Speaker 2: in los angeles for like 20 years i paid a

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Speaker 2: like well now i got this i i am la

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Speaker 2: like this is my hometown in one week and the

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Speaker 2: same spot i got three tickets whoa in the same fucking.

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Speaker 5: Like did you not move your car no you just.

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Speaker 2: Kept it's like it was like next to my cafe

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Speaker 2: that I go work at? And I was just so

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Speaker 2: an hour had gone by and not two. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But that means you're in the flow. That's actually very good.

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Speaker 5: You're when time collapses like that, you're in the flow

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Speaker 5: of creativity. And all I have to do for that

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Speaker 5: is pay $ 68.

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Speaker 3: It's just, it's, it's akin to going to, uh, Universal Studios.

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Speaker 2: It's up there, but.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's less rides at that cafe. But isn't

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Speaker 5: it a, it's a wild ride in my brain. That's right.

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Speaker 5: And that creative energy.

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Speaker 2: Stupid brain. I have something to tell you, Karen. Something

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Speaker 2: happened that just made me laugh.

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Speaker 5: When you guys left after the episode yesterday, last week,

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Speaker 5: where are we? See, cause time has collapsed. We're in

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Speaker 5: the flow right now.

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Speaker 2: You're there.

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Speaker 5: All right. Something happened.

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Speaker 2: That's like one of your, I wouldn't call it your

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Speaker 2: biggest fears, but this thing that you're anxious about.

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Speaker 5: Did you, you didn't have pants and the only pants

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Speaker 5: that were there were too small?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: To put on?

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Speaker 2: No, guess another one. Like a thing that you're, like,

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Speaker 2: you're always like, what, is this going to happen? You

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Speaker 2: fell down in public.

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Speaker 5: No. Remember when you fell down? After we had lunch together,

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Speaker 5: like one of the first, not like one of the

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Speaker 2: After starting the podcast that we had hung out, we

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Speaker 2: had like gone to lunch. We had just recorded Joe

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Speaker 2: DeRosa and Kurt Brunner's podcast.

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Speaker 5: At Meltdown. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What's it called?

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Speaker 5: And we went across the street. Oh, emotional hangs.

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Speaker 2: Emotional hangs. And we left and, oh, you just ate it.

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Speaker 2: I felt so bad.

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Speaker 3: I fell in that way where the styrofoam container that

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Speaker 3: had my half of a BLT flew out of my

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Speaker 3: hand and into the middle of sunset.

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Speaker 2: That was so sad.

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Speaker 5: And it's this thing, I have.

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Speaker 3: These trick ankles, both of them, because I've sprained both

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Speaker 5: I think there was a little pothole, too. Oh, that's right.

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Speaker 5: I stepped into a pothole.

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Speaker 2: Right directly into the tiniest pothole.

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Speaker 5: And I can't help but laugh when I see that.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, we're not good enough friends yet

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Speaker 2: for me to laugh at you. How could you not though?

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Speaker 3: There's no, that you have to let people laugh if

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Speaker 3: you fall. If you're a grown adult that falls all

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Speaker 2: But I also laughed and then I went and got

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Speaker 2: not a dick. I'm not like, bye, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: That would have been amazing if you were like, well, anyway,

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Speaker 5: great lunch. See you later.

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Speaker 2: You're on your own on my way out grabbed your

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Speaker 2: your styrofoam blt and fucking took it with me you're

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Speaker 2: like oh i love oh you don't want this are

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Speaker 2: you threw it in the street this is for my

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Speaker 2: lunch okay no i all right let me set the scene.

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Speaker 5: It's none of those fears no no moths box of

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Speaker 5: moths uh-huh What? What? Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: So you guys left. Vince and I sat down. We

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Speaker 2: were hanging out watching TV. And I was like, why

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Speaker 2: is Dottie, my little kitten, just staring? They have this

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Speaker 2: box of toys, of all their little toys and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And she's just staring at it, which is weird. And

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Speaker 2: I eventually get paranoid.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, why is she? Is there like a spider

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Speaker 5: in there?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? So I pull the box out and

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Speaker 2: turn the light on. And there's a moth infestation in it.

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Speaker 2: And there are moths crawling all throughout it.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no. Yes, 100%. I found a fucking box

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Speaker 5: of moths.

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Speaker 2: And so I put it out on the fucking, on

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Speaker 5: And I was like, no, can't deal with this right now.

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Speaker 2: And then I went back yesterday thinking, or the other

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Speaker 2: you can see all the moth eggs in it. There's

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Speaker 5: Gorgeous. People have handmade moths for us. Paper moth Shay.

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Speaker 5: My hometown, Burbank.

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Speaker 5: My Nextdoor app. Steal your fucking trash. For real.

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Speaker 3: My neighborhood is filled with old, retired, potentially rich people

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Speaker 3: But The other day on the Nextdoor app, God bless it,

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Speaker 2: Jesus.

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Speaker 5: And they don't know.

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Speaker 3: There's a bunch of talk that there's missing people from

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Speaker 3: That people are theorizing these might be those missing people.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the theory, but police are like, it's unproven.

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Speaker 5: That's how you know they know exactly who they're talking about. No,

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Speaker 5: Remember?

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Speaker 5: In Burbank by the Burbank library.

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Speaker 3: That's what this reminds me of, but it's, I don't

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Speaker 2: What I think is interesting though, is that it was

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Speaker 5: Whoever left it there.

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Speaker 5: just like, God, like what happened? Please don't let it

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What the fuck? What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: That's a, I don't know, something I'll definitely come back

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Speaker 3: you're just like, no way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: This is happens other places. Totally.

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Speaker 2: Scary.

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Speaker 5: Scary. So is Geody. Let me change the tune because

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Speaker 2: It and it sucks. Okay, I have two corrections from

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Speaker 2: It was said by these other people. I don't want

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Speaker 4: Okay, bitter.

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Speaker 5: Bitter. Singular. Yes.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 5: That's good to know.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Because you can order bitters, but that's when you feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Supposedly. I have a question.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 5: That we will find out when we are in London, England,

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Speaker 5: I believe.

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Speaker 5: They talk about having tea all the time. Yeah. But

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: Tea is like a snack. Oh, shit, Karen. Why are

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Speaker 5: we just doing this right now? Stephen, look up high tea.

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Speaker 5: I think tea, from the books I've read.

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Speaker 2: I think tea is you have tea and like a dessert,

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Speaker 5: But not according to this TV show.

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Speaker 2: That's why. Which one?

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Speaker 2: Do it when we're there.

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Speaker 5: And we're back.

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Speaker 4: We're back.

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Speaker 5: We're burping.

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Speaker 4: More burping than ever. Why do we burp so much

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Speaker 5: We drink a lot of beverages beforehand.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Is there an air swallowing thing with talking?

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Speaker 5: When you get all excited.

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Speaker 5: And you kind of like.

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Speaker 4: That means for me it's like legs up higher than

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Speaker 5: With your old coffee. I know we've talked about this,

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Speaker 2: Heat it up.

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Speaker 4: Who gives a shit?

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Speaker 5: Every once in a while. We would reheat it every

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't make you a new pot because I'm not

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Speaker 2: That came over because Vince makes it he's good at

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Speaker 5: It's like that's what Steven and I did though we

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got to do it for the love

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Speaker 5: It is what has fueled this show for a decade.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I have a question for you. Yeah. When was

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Speaker 4: And you know what?

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Speaker 5: in and it was one of those things where like

454
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Speaker 5: there was a number and I was supposed to go

455
00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:41,320
Speaker 5: find the coordinating fucking thing. And I was like, no,

456
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Speaker 5: I'm rolling the dice.

457
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
00:17:42,830 --> 00:17:43,379
Speaker 5: No ticket.

459
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:43,750
Speaker 2: Nice.

460
00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:44,350
Speaker 5: Right.

461
00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:47,169
Speaker 4: I've definitely had a few. But since my brain is

462
00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:50,030
Speaker 4: formed completely in my 20s, I haven't. It hasn't been

463
00:17:50,190 --> 00:17:51,590
Speaker 4: like they should. They're shooting an exemption.

464
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:55,200
Speaker 2: For people whose brains aren't– because it's so confusing in L.A.

465
00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:57,080
Speaker 2: especially of, like, where, how, and when.

466
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Speaker 3: When my niece started driving– Oh, you fay. When she

467
00:18:00,030 --> 00:18:02,090
Speaker 3: was 16 years old and her friends started driving, I

468
00:18:02,090 --> 00:18:04,170
Speaker 3: was like, who picked 16?

469
00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:08,520
Speaker 5: This is– we're not farmers. Like– Get these kids off

470
00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,399
Speaker 5: the streets until they're 30.

471
00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:12,239
Speaker 2: They can't even vote for their own rights yet. They

472
00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:14,969
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to drive themselves places. Yeah, let's get

473
00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:15,630
Speaker 2: on our high horse.

474
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:18,670
Speaker 3: Anyway, this is where the box of moths fear came from.

475
00:18:18,690 --> 00:18:20,950
Speaker 3: This is the episode so long ago.

476
00:18:20,970 --> 00:18:21,470
Speaker 2: Yeah.

477
00:18:21,790 --> 00:18:23,990
Speaker 3: And people used to threaten it. It's kind of funny

478
00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:25,870
Speaker 3: because being raised by a sister.

479
00:18:26,170 --> 00:18:26,830
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.

480
00:18:26,910 --> 00:18:29,429
Speaker 3: My sister raised me. She taught me a lot of

481
00:18:29,530 --> 00:18:33,690
Speaker 3: good tricks growing up. One of which is don't ever

482
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Speaker 3: actually tell people your real thing.

483
00:18:36,590 --> 00:18:38,090
Speaker 5: Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Fox Mons

484
00:18:38,109 --> 00:18:39,390
Speaker 5: is like, oh, that's my biggest fear.

485
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Speaker 4: Sure.

486
00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:40,410
Speaker 3: It isn't really.

487
00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:42,010
Speaker 4: Right. Like, I like clowns. I don't like clowns.

488
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:42,310
Speaker 5: Uh-huh.

489
00:18:42,369 --> 00:18:43,550
Speaker 4: Don't fucking give it away.

490
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Speaker 5: Not on a podcast.

491
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Speaker 2: Sure.

492
00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:47,689
Speaker 5: And she taught me that with don't tell people who

493
00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:50,359
Speaker 5: you actually have a crush on. And in high school,

494
00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:51,659
Speaker 5: I made up.

495
00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:51,860
Speaker 2: Wow.

496
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,160
Speaker 5: I was talking to somebody, and I got the vibe of, like,

497
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,180
Speaker 5: not safe. Yeah.

498
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 3: So they're like, who do you like? And then I said,

499
00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,780
Speaker 3: and it was just, like, some guy that was in

500
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Speaker 3: the class above us.

501
00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:00,660
Speaker 2: Jesus?

502
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Speaker 4: Was it Jesus?

503
00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:04,350
Speaker 5: Yeah. Again, I had to preach. Yeah.

504
00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:07,610
Speaker 3: And then like a couple weeks later, he started going

505
00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:09,570
Speaker 3: out with my friend's older sister and she came and

506
00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:12,090
Speaker 3: apologized to me. She's like, I know you really liked him.

507
00:19:12,130 --> 00:19:14,690
Speaker 3: And I was like, this school is so small and

508
00:19:14,730 --> 00:19:17,030
Speaker 3: this is, thank God she told me this. Because I didn't,

509
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:18,310
Speaker 3: I was like, it's okay.

510
00:19:18,390 --> 00:19:20,450
Speaker 5: But I was like, oh no.

511
00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:22,649
Speaker 2: I tell everything to everyone all the time.

512
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Speaker 5: I know. Just know you can lie. Okay.

513
00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 4: Do you want to update on the Burbank bodies in

514
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Speaker 4: the car?

515
00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 5: God, that is just.

516
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Speaker 3: It's one of those things where, like, I feel like

517
00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:35,600
Speaker 3: once we started doing this podcast, the amount of actual

518
00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:41,090
Speaker 3: crime around me became so much more evident. And it was, like,

519
00:19:41,210 --> 00:19:43,689
Speaker 3: building and building where it's like, yeah, this is everywhere

520
00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:44,250
Speaker 3: all the time.

521
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Speaker 4: Totally. Well, you notice it, like, all the time now, too,

522
00:19:46,810 --> 00:19:47,030
Speaker 4: I think.

523
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Speaker 5: Right.

524
00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:48,030
Speaker 2: More so.

525
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Speaker 5: So this one was.

526
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Speaker 3: a really terrible story and a very sad one the

527
00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 3: the men in that car were three missing men from

528
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Speaker 3: the bakersfield area and two of them were brothers they

529
00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:06,740
Speaker 3: were lucas and jan carlos amiyama And then the third

530
00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 3: victim was later identified as Carlos Elias Lopez. All three

531
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Speaker 3: of those men had already been reported missing from Bakersfield,

532
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:17,310
Speaker 3: and they were found shot to death in a Jeep

533
00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:21,470
Speaker 3: on April 17, 2018. This case has never been solved.

534
00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:24,190
Speaker 5: It's still open. No arrests have been made.

535
00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:24,790
Speaker 2: Yeah.

536
00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:26,409
Speaker 4: That's such a long time.

537
00:20:26,609 --> 00:20:27,090
Speaker 2: So sad.

538
00:20:27,109 --> 00:20:29,450
Speaker 4: All right. Well, so should we get into your story?

539
00:20:29,470 --> 00:20:30,210
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

540
00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:34,300
Speaker 3: This is another one of my, I survived the television

541
00:20:34,340 --> 00:20:37,780
Speaker 3: show that I adore the most, saved me when I

542
00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 3: had no story. But this story, Tika Adams, the woman

543
00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: who went through this horrifying experience, she's just, it's such

544
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,619
Speaker 3: an incredible thing that it felt great. And this is,

545
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:55,230
Speaker 3: I think, where, as we were doing this podcast, learning

546
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:59,869
Speaker 3: that the The good feeling is the feeling of telling

547
00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:02,850
Speaker 3: a story that could help that person or help people

548
00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:06,910
Speaker 3: like that person in the future. The idea that young

549
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:12,210
Speaker 3: women who are pregnant should be slightly worried about this bizarre,

550
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: like a person who would set up a similar like

551
00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 3: a wish list online and then be like, that's how

552
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,700
Speaker 3: they access them.

553
00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 5: I'm a mother too. All that weird stuff.

554
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:22,620
Speaker 2: Yeah.

555
00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 4: Just to keep an eye out. No, the story is stuck,

556
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: I think, with everyone.

557
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 5: It's so crazy.

558
00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:30,540
Speaker 4: All right. So let's get into Karen's story about Tika Adams.

559
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Speaker 5: All right. And with that, who went first last week? Me?

560
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Speaker 2: I did.

561
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 5: You did? Yeah, because I was like, I want to

562
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Speaker 5: go first.

563
00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:44,899
Speaker 2: Right.

564
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Speaker 1: Well, and again, I still don't like I feel like

565
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Speaker 1: we never got a confirmation on if you did Jesse

566
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Speaker 1: Pomeroy in Boston.

567
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:56,860
Speaker 5: We did. I did. Someone actually, somebody sent, somebody sent

568
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Speaker 5: a tweet.

569
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Speaker 3: I should, I should have written her name down. I'm

570
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,180
Speaker 3: getting better at this, but I didn't do it this time.

571
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,700
Speaker 3: She sent a tweet that said, yeah, you did Jesse

572
00:22:04,740 --> 00:22:06,860
Speaker 3: Pomeroy's second show, late show.

573
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Speaker 5: Glad we mean so much. It was something really funny,

574
00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 5: like a.

575
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,500
Speaker 3: Real sassy Boston response that was like, yeah late show

576
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: thanks for the love from the late show or something

577
00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:18,050
Speaker 3: it was really funny but it doesn't matter because it

578
00:22:18,109 --> 00:22:21,750
Speaker 3: honestly we've done so many of these that it really.

579
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:23,770
Speaker 2: Felt new to me if you don't remember if steven

580
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:27,109
Speaker 2: doesn't remember if i don't remember if wikipedia doesn't mention

581
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:29,129
Speaker 2: it it never fucking happened well.

582
00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:31,550
Speaker 3: And that means that we can just keep on every

583
00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:34,530
Speaker 3: like two years we'll just cycle through the same story.

584
00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:37,290
Speaker 5: Perfect but we'll switch off but we'll yeah Also.

585
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Speaker 3: There was people that were saying, you said something was

586
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Speaker 3: in some neighborhood and it wasn't.

587
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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that part. I mean, that's

588
00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 5: part for the course.

589
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Speaker 3: I feel like if we didn't do stuff like that,

590
00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: nobody would have any reason to interact.

591
00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

592
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:52,380
Speaker 5: And then we'd all be so alone and isolated.

593
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Speaker 2: The secret is sometimes we do it on purpose just

594
00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:54,550
Speaker 2: so you guys.

595
00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:57,350
Speaker 5: Will pay attention to us. We plant them. They're called

596
00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 5: Easter egg mistakes. They're called Easter eggs. Passover egg mistakes. Oh,

597
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:07,710
Speaker 5: for equality? For Jewish equality? Okay. I hear that. They're

598
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 5: Pesach mistakes. Pesach mistakes. Let me think of a pun. No. No.

599
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:12,620
Speaker 2: It's not there.

600
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 5: It really pays off.

601
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Speaker 2: Karen!

602
00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:18,450
Speaker 5: Did that work? Karen! Did you even understand what I meant?

603
00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:19,619
Speaker 4: Yes, it pays off.

604
00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:20,490
Speaker 2: It pays off.

605
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:21,650
Speaker 3: Come on.

606
00:23:21,770 --> 00:23:24,510
Speaker 5: That was beautiful. You are slowly turning me to the

607
00:23:24,550 --> 00:23:26,930
Speaker 5: pun cult. Oh, that was another. Somebody else sent a

608
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:29,510
Speaker 5: message that was like, and because Karen loved puns and

609
00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:30,830
Speaker 5: my head almost exploded.

610
00:23:30,869 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 3: I was like, now we're just blending into the same person. Well, listen,

611
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,340
Speaker 3: we've been doing a lot of things lately and we've

612
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: been busy. And you know what that means when I've

613
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: been busy and we come to do one of our episodes.

614
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Speaker 2: I survived.

615
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 5: I survived. I survived. All right. And this one I

616
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Speaker 5: have to thank.

617
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Speaker 3: And I'm saying your full name because it's on your

618
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Speaker 3: Twitter page. feed so i'm not thinking that you have

619
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Speaker 3: a lot of shame about it there's nothing.

620
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Speaker 5: There's she's shameful about her name.

621
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Speaker 3: No i'm just saying i want to say her whole

622
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:05,150
Speaker 3: name because it's what her twitter name is okay um

623
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:07,900
Speaker 3: and charlotte white okay and she tweeted me the other

624
00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: day and she tweeted me a little video um and

625
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Speaker 3: she was like what about this fucking awesome moment from

626
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,260
Speaker 3: i survived.

627
00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:16,139
Speaker 2: I watched it.

628
00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:17,810
Speaker 5: Did you watch it? And I was like, what is

629
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:19,110
Speaker 5: that episode? Okay.

630
00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:22,379
Speaker 3: So she reminded me. And I got real mad at

631
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: myself for not... Because this is one of those ones.

632
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 3: And I think maybe I hadn't done it. Because this

633
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,619
Speaker 3: is another fetus snatching story.

634
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Speaker 5: Oh, God. Just like Sarah Brady's. They just keep doing that.

635
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,850
Speaker 5: It's so crazy. But this one.

636
00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:39,790
Speaker 3: I think this one might be crazier. And it's also

637
00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:43,510
Speaker 3: really fucking hard to listen to. So anybody that's squeamish,

638
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:45,859
Speaker 3: I will warn you before I say bad things in

639
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:48,379
Speaker 3: this one. Because there's been times when I haven't done that.

640
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,980
Speaker 3: People get a little bit upset. I think that's a

641
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: really good idea.

642
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 5: Yes.

643
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: Because this one's rough. And what's incredible. So this is

644
00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:56,420
Speaker 3: Tika's story.

645
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: Okay.

646
00:24:56,940 --> 00:25:01,730
Speaker 3: This is me basically copying down her I Survive story.

647
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:04,030
Speaker 2: I feel like you've given I Survive so much fucking

648
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:05,770
Speaker 2: play that they'd be like, yeah, go ahead and use

649
00:25:05,790 --> 00:25:06,050
Speaker 2: the clip.

650
00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:08,830
Speaker 5: I mean, one would like to think that, but lawyers

651
00:25:08,869 --> 00:25:14,980
Speaker 5: aren't like that. Those fucking copyright lawyers don't give a fuck. Okay, fine, fine, fine.

652
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 5: So Charlotte sends a clip and it's Tika in the

653
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:21,940
Speaker 5: middle of telling the most gruesome thing.

654
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,060
Speaker 3: Shitting on Michael Jackson. And it's so funny. And the

655
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: way she does it is so funny. And I was like, oh,

656
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: my God, I love that one. And I responded to

657
00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: Charlotte and I was like, oh, my.

658
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Speaker 5: God, I love that one. She's amazing. Whatever.

659
00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:35,230
Speaker 2: Yeah.

660
00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:37,450
Speaker 5: And so then I was like, got to tell her story.

661
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Speaker 5: Can we put the clip on like on socials? Probably. Right.

662
00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:45,290
Speaker 5: I'll just we'll just retweet Charlotte White. Yes. And then

663
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:48,149
Speaker 5: I read her home address. Charlotte White. I'm going to

664
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Speaker 5: say it 19 more times. She's at call me Charlie

665
00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:51,710
Speaker 5: 16 on Twitter.

666
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Speaker 2: Okay.

667
00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:55,139
Speaker 5: If you want to talk to her about this, but

668
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 5: I do.

669
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Speaker 3: So I always remember Tika and it's the way she

670
00:25:58,660 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: tells the story because as she's telling her, she's always

671
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,980
Speaker 3: calm and, and almost like Zen, like calm and she's,

672
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 3: and we always say this and it's a really lame

673
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,619
Speaker 3: thing to say, but it's just how we feel. It's

674
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,139
Speaker 3: not about, we're not talking about beauty per se.

675
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:23,450
Speaker 5: This woman is fucking gorgeous. Like, and the way she is. Yes, exactly. Radiant,

676
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:25,530
Speaker 5: I think was the word I used. She's radiant.

677
00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:29,389
Speaker 3: And she just talked, she talks through the worst fucking

678
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Speaker 3: thing that could happen to a person with this, like,

679
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Speaker 3: she just kind of is rolling her eyes like, and

680
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:35,220
Speaker 3: if you can believe.

681
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 5: This, this is what happened. Just like, holy shit.

682
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,660
Speaker 2: All right.

683
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,180
Speaker 5: So now I tell you, it's we're in Washington, DC, 2009. Okay.

684
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,389
Speaker 3: And Tika lives on the streets. Um, the way she

685
00:26:46,410 --> 00:26:48,909
Speaker 3: describes herself, she says she is rebellious. She didn't want

686
00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:51,250
Speaker 3: to live by anybody else's rules. And because of that,

687
00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:54,290
Speaker 3: she got herself into what she calls some rough spots.

688
00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:57,379
Speaker 3: So after living that way for a while, she decides

689
00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:59,900
Speaker 3: she needs to get her life together and she gets

690
00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: herself into a shelter.

691
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,179
Speaker 5: She gets off the streets.

692
00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:05,020
Speaker 3: Um, so she's in this shelter and she meets a

693
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,830
Speaker 3: guy named PJ. They fall in love and they get married.

694
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:11,750
Speaker 5: So, um, So when.

695
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:14,270
Speaker 3: She's seven and a half months pregnant, she starts to

696
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: get phone calls from an unknown number. And she finally,

697
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 3: when she picks up, it's a woman who says her

698
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,300
Speaker 3: name's Stephanie. And Stephanie says she works for a program

699
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: that gets homeless pregnant women like clothing, baby supplies, car seats, strollers, whatever.

700
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,580
Speaker 5: And she says that they have.

701
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: This big warehouse full of that stuff and that Tika

702
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:42,060
Speaker 3: can come down and pick out whatever she wants.

703
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,300
Speaker 2: Wow.

704
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: The smile that gets on her face when she's talking

705
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: about this, where she's just like, I was thrilled. Like,

706
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: it's this amazing opportunity. And this is also the part

707
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: of this element of this story that's so fucked up

708
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 3: is this is a person who is as down on

709
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,500
Speaker 3: her luck as she can be. And this is when

710
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: she gets fucking victimized. It's really fucked up. So she's thrilled. Immediately,

711
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,649
Speaker 3: her husband, PJ, is like, I.

712
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:09,290
Speaker 5: Don't like this.

713
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:10,350
Speaker 2: I'm suspicious.

714
00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:12,750
Speaker 3: I don't think this is too good to be true.

715
00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:15,870
Speaker 3: And he said, he actually, what he says is don't

716
00:28:15,930 --> 00:28:19,300
Speaker 3: rush into anything you don't know about where I'm like, yes, PJ.

717
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:21,660
Speaker 3: But Tika's like, I really.

718
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 5: Need this stuff. And there are programs like that.

719
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,500
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

720
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:28,260
Speaker 3: There's plenty of like good hearted people that want exactly that,

721
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,930
Speaker 3: you know, want to help in that exactly that way.

722
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:33,970
Speaker 5: So she's like, yeah, don't, don't be so mistrustful.

723
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:37,030
Speaker 3: So, um, She ends up meeting this woman named Stephanie

724
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: outside of the shelter. And she says that Stephanie is

725
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:48,260
Speaker 3: really nice. She's very soft-spoken. She gets into her car.

726
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: Stephanie asks her how everything is. She starts telling her

727
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:55,300
Speaker 3: about her life and how she has turned it around.

728
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:57,580
Speaker 3: She's gotten off the streets and now she's married and

729
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,710
Speaker 3: now she's going to have this baby and that she's really,

730
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:00,390
Speaker 3: really happy.

731
00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:01,450
Speaker 2: And....

732
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:09,150
Speaker 3: So, uh, they, as she's like talking and driving, you know,

733
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:10,860
Speaker 3: she's just telling her about everything. They end up at

734
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:15,219
Speaker 3: Stephanie's apartment. So she goes up into Stephanie's apartment with

735
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:18,660
Speaker 3: her and Stephanie brings her into an unfurnished bedroom and

736
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,620
Speaker 3: sits her down and puts on a movie and then

737
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: starts doing other stuff.

738
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 5: And so, yeah.

739
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: So here's, this is the thing that like, you don't

740
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:29,620
Speaker 3: know any of this extra stuff. So this is just

741
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:31,990
Speaker 3: my opinion. But this is the kind of thing where

742
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:36,930
Speaker 3: if you're in the position of being given something that

743
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:40,650
Speaker 3: you really, really want and need very badly. you're not

744
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:43,950
Speaker 3: going to question a person that starts changing their story

745
00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:44,870
Speaker 3: ever so slightly.

746
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:45,210
Speaker 4: Totally.

747
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:49,050
Speaker 2: Because you still are ingratiated to that person for those things.

748
00:29:49,170 --> 00:29:51,350
Speaker 5: You're like, get me to that fucking warehouse. If you

749
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:53,630
Speaker 5: need to stop off at your apartment, so be it.

750
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:54,490
Speaker 5: That happens.

751
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:57,390
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that that woman gave her some storyline

752
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:59,220
Speaker 3: of why she needed to be there for a little while.

753
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,020
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, I'll just put on this movie

754
00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:02,940
Speaker 3: and let me just get these things done. But that's,

755
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,340
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's exactly how it happens.

756
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 5: I mean, that makes total sense. That's how I'm picturing it,

757
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 5: where you start to rationalize. It's just like, yeah, this

758
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 5: is fine.

759
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:09,820
Speaker 4: Yeah.

760
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:12,660
Speaker 3: So she gets a call from PJ while she's sitting there.

761
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: He goes, as she said, he goes, where are you at?

762
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'm fine.

763
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: But she goes, because the truth was, I didn't know

764
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:25,500
Speaker 5: where I was. So she doesn't want him to worry. Right.

765
00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 5: But his worry is making her begin to worry.

766
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:28,270
Speaker 2: Yeah.

767
00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:31,190
Speaker 3: And begin to realize what a mistake it was to

768
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:33,010
Speaker 3: kind of lose herself in the conversation.

769
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:36,090
Speaker 5: And she doesn't, she can't say where she is. She

770
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:37,790
Speaker 5: doesn't know what neighborhood she's even in.

771
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:38,070
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:38,850
Speaker 5: Okay.

773
00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:39,150
Speaker 2: So.

774
00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:42,370
Speaker 5: And it gets worse from here. Oh, God.

775
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:46,590
Speaker 3: So they finish watching that movie.

776
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:51,850
Speaker 5: Stephanie puts on another movie. A movie? Uh-huh. She finishes

777
00:30:51,890 --> 00:30:54,110
Speaker 5: an entire movie? Yes, two hours, right?

778
00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: Or maybe 90 minutes if it's an action film. But, yeah,

779
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:02,220
Speaker 3: then she puts on another one. And then they start

780
00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:06,500
Speaker 3: watching that movie. And as they're watching it, a heavy

781
00:31:06,540 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: blanket gets thrown over Tika's head. And this woman starts

782
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,220
Speaker 3: beating her in the head. She hits her like 10

783
00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:14,220
Speaker 3: times in the head.

784
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:15,100
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

785
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: So Tika jumps up. She puts her hands up and

786
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,820
Speaker 3: she says all she can see is blood. So and

787
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:26,740
Speaker 3: then she goes. And when you're in that situation, all

788
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: you can think is I got to go.

789
00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:31,750
Speaker 5: Yeah. And so she starts running. She gets to the

790
00:31:31,810 --> 00:31:32,830
Speaker 5: fucking front door.

791
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:36,590
Speaker 3: And this is like, makes me so crazy. Like when

792
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: she was telling it, but it also reminded me of

793
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:41,900
Speaker 3: the other baby snatching story that Sarah Brady told.

794
00:31:42,380 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 5: In her episode of I Survived that I've.

795
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:47,060
Speaker 3: Already done, where she runs to the front door of

796
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,940
Speaker 3: the woman's apartment building and it's locked. And as she

797
00:31:50,030 --> 00:31:52,650
Speaker 3: tries to get it open, the woman catches up with

798
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:53,430
Speaker 3: her and grabs her.

799
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:54,730
Speaker 5: And pulls her back. And it's the same thing in

800
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:55,330
Speaker 5: an apartment.

801
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:57,590
Speaker 3: But it's in the apartment where she says she gets

802
00:31:57,630 --> 00:32:01,090
Speaker 3: to the door, there's a chain lock, a deadbolt, and

803
00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:03,690
Speaker 3: then the bottom lock. So she can't get all three

804
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:07,620
Speaker 3: of them open in time. This woman catches Stephanie, catches

805
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:09,300
Speaker 3: up to her, jumps on her.

806
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: And this woman is twice her size.

807
00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

808
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: She said she was really big. And it looks like

809
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:16,100
Speaker 3: Tika's pretty petite.

810
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

811
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: And they start wrestling around on the ground. She's fighting

812
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:19,340
Speaker 5: her off.

813
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: And she's seven and a half months pregnant while.

814
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: She's doing this. And she's seven and a half months pregnant. So,

815
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 5: try to remember that throughout.

816
00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: Okay.

817
00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:35,870
Speaker 5: So, while they're fighting... And she has a head injury already.

818
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:36,150
Speaker 2: Right.

819
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:39,370
Speaker 5: She has blood in her eyes from that head injury already.

820
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:40,390
Speaker 2: Right.

821
00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: This woman's trying to choke her out. Tika's fighting back

822
00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:48,620
Speaker 3: as hard as she can, but she can't see. And,

823
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:50,820
Speaker 3: you know, the whole thing, this woman picks up a

824
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: fireplace poker.

825
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: Mm-mm.

826
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:52,900
Speaker 5: Yep.

827
00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:56,130
Speaker 3: So if you don't like, if you're squeamish or you

828
00:32:56,170 --> 00:32:58,690
Speaker 3: might faint and you're driving a car or whatever, hit

829
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:01,570
Speaker 3: the forward 15 seconds button about three times right now.

830
00:33:01,710 --> 00:33:02,390
Speaker 2: Oh, no.

831
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:06,290
Speaker 3: Because this woman picks up a fireplace poker and hits

832
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,510
Speaker 3: Tika in the head about 40 times.

833
00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:12,790
Speaker 5: What the fuck? Uh-huh. So she, at some point during

834
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:13,370
Speaker 5: that beating.

835
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:14,010
Speaker 2: Passes out.

836
00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:18,030
Speaker 5: Steven's like, I can't hit 15 forward. Poor Steven.

837
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,370
Speaker 3: Steven just fell backwards and was like, this is my

838
00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:21,630
Speaker 3: worst birthday ever.

839
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:23,630
Speaker 5: Sorry.

840
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:24,470
Speaker 4: Sorry.

841
00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:25,370
Speaker 2: Oh, Steven.

842
00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:28,170
Speaker 5: Okay. So she comes to like two minutes later.

843
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

844
00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: As she feels the woman pick her up by the

845
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,980
Speaker 3: ankles and drag her down the hallway toward the kitchen.

846
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 5: Oh my God.

847
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: So.

848
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:38,930
Speaker 5: Kitchen, nothing good happens in the kitchen. No, not in

849
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:39,710
Speaker 5: this scenario.

850
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:42,370
Speaker 3: Then she hears her rattling around in the kitchen, opening

851
00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:46,030
Speaker 3: drawers and doing stuff. Then she, um, the lady kneels

852
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:48,980
Speaker 3: down next to her. And she feels a sharp pain

853
00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: in her side.

854
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:50,380
Speaker 5: Oh, my God.

855
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,860
Speaker 3: And she looks down and she sees the woman's holding

856
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: a box cutter.

857
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 5: No.

858
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: Oh, squeamish people, you're not going to like when I

859
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:59,820
Speaker 3: say she sees the woman holding a box cutter.

860
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,740
Speaker 2: Well, they've still been fast forwarding past this.

861
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 5: Okay, good, good. I'm not going to worry about you anymore.

862
00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:09,969
Speaker 5: Not you. The squeamish. We have to fucking deal with it.

863
00:34:10,489 --> 00:34:12,549
Speaker 5: That's right. You guys have to take this no matter what.

864
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:17,750
Speaker 3: Steven is holding both his knees in his mouth. Okay,

865
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,700
Speaker 3: so blood, of course, starts pouring out her side.

866
00:34:21,739 --> 00:34:24,890
Speaker 5: Oh, my God. She said there was blood everywhere. I

867
00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:25,490
Speaker 5: fucking bet.

868
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:28,509
Speaker 3: And the woman goes back into the kitchen, this creeped

869
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:31,550
Speaker 3: me out so bad, and starts to pray. So she's

870
00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:33,460
Speaker 3: saying stuff like, Lord, forgive me, Lord.

871
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,500
Speaker 5: I'm a sinner. I'm so sorry. Which is like, that's

872
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: straight out of like a horrible horror movie.

873
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: This is like the movie Carrie or something. Or it's like,

874
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: we need to pray.

875
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:46,260
Speaker 5: Yes. Like, no, no, you're a fucking psycho. God doesn't

876
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 5: like you. You don't.

877
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:51,259
Speaker 3: Praying won't help anything right now with you have a

878
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,220
Speaker 3: fucking box cutter in your prayer hands.

879
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 5: God knows you're about to go back to what you

880
00:34:54,739 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 5: were fucking doing. And of course she does. So Tika

881
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,820
Speaker 5: can't move.

882
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: She can't.

883
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,450
Speaker 5: She's lost so much blood. She doesn't have the energy

884
00:35:01,469 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 5: to do anything. She's just laying there.

885
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:08,410
Speaker 3: The woman starts cleaning up the blood. She's just scrubbing, scrubbing, scrubbing, cleaning.

886
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:13,150
Speaker 3: And then she kneels down and asks Tika if she

887
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:15,750
Speaker 3: can get up. And Tika says, I don't think so.

888
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:19,540
Speaker 3: So the woman picks Tika up, carries her back to

889
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,340
Speaker 3: the unfurnished bedroom and puts her on a mattress on

890
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:25,460
Speaker 3: the floor. And then she takes Tika's cell phone away

891
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:26,779
Speaker 3: from her and turns it off.

892
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 5: Oh, no. Yeah.

893
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,230
Speaker 3: So eventually, as she's laying there on this mattress on

894
00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:38,469
Speaker 3: the floor, her bleeding stops and she thinks maybe I

895
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:40,210
Speaker 3: can talk to her and she'll let me go.

896
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:40,830
Speaker 5: Maybe if I.

897
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:41,450
Speaker 2: Yeah.

898
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:44,219
Speaker 3: The thing that most people do where it's like humanize yourself.

899
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,430
Speaker 3: So she starts saying, you know. I guess based on

900
00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:50,230
Speaker 3: the information she had in the conversation on the car

901
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:53,069
Speaker 3: ride over, she's like, she talked about her kids. She

902
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: talked about Stephanie's kids. She talked about her own kids.

903
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,180
Speaker 3: And she basically said to Stephanie, I would never tell

904
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: on you because I don't believe in breaking families up.

905
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,589
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want a person to lose their family. Stephanie

906
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,190
Speaker 3: starts pacing in circles and going. She said she could

907
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:11,710
Speaker 3: tell it was working on her because she's pacing and

908
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: murmuring to herself. And freaking out. And at one point,

909
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,500
Speaker 3: Stephanie says, I got to get out of this apartment.

910
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: Tika's like, oh, yeah, really? Me too. Then Tika says,

911
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:25,140
Speaker 3: and this is another one of those moments you're just like, fuck, man.

912
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,140
Speaker 3: She said, but I know she's not just going to

913
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,500
Speaker 3: leave me there because I've seen her face and I know.

914
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:29,979
Speaker 5: Where she lives.

915
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:31,049
Speaker 2: Shit.

916
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,290
Speaker 3: So at this point, she has been held. She's been

917
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:37,870
Speaker 3: battered and bleeding, held in this apartment for three nights.

918
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:38,890
Speaker 5: Three nights?

919
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:41,390
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is continued over like all of these things

920
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:42,610
Speaker 3: that she's done and taking.

921
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:43,250
Speaker 5: Her to the room and all that.

922
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:45,509
Speaker 2: I was expecting like one afternoon. No, no, no.

923
00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:48,410
Speaker 5: Like it's like the initial beating and then a night.

924
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:52,250
Speaker 3: And she said the first night she played movies all

925
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:54,569
Speaker 3: night and Tika didn't sleep all night.

926
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:58,230
Speaker 5: She just stayed up watching the woman. Oh my God.

927
00:36:58,270 --> 00:37:01,009
Speaker 3: Like because she was obviously like just didn't know what

928
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:06,620
Speaker 3: was going to happen next. So then the third night.

929
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:09,870
Speaker 3: Stephanie walks into the bedroom and she's holding a metal

930
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:11,330
Speaker 3: bowl full of ice with a rag in it.

931
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:13,979
Speaker 5: Oh, no. A rag's on her shoulder. She's got six

932
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,620
Speaker 5: towels and two box cutters and a knife.

933
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:17,540
Speaker 2: No, no.

934
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,060
Speaker 5: Why do people use box cutters? It's... it's so, it's

935
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 5: so awful. And the rag over her shoulder, like your

936
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 5: mom did that. That's actually my, that's my mom at Thanksgiving.

937
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:31,090
Speaker 5: I know I'm picturing your mom right now. Totally.

938
00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:34,350
Speaker 3: My mom would be fully dressed to the nines and

939
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:36,610
Speaker 3: then she would have the dirtiest dish towel on her shoulder.

940
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:38,570
Speaker 5: Cause she'd be like pulling stuff out of the oven.

941
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:41,500
Speaker 2: We call that a schmata in Yiddish.

942
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 5: A little schmata.

943
00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:44,700
Speaker 2: Just like a gross rag that you used to clean with.

944
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,180
Speaker 5: That's funny, because on TV, we used to always.

945
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,459
Speaker 3: On the Ellen Show, Andy Lassner used to always say,

946
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:52,069
Speaker 3: we need a schmata to cover this. I always thought

947
00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:53,969
Speaker 3: it meant, like, a nice tablecloth.

948
00:37:54,610 --> 00:37:54,989
Speaker 2: Oh, no.

949
00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:58,270
Speaker 5: Just like a piece of shit. Just like something. We

950
00:37:58,290 --> 00:38:00,049
Speaker 5: need to throw something over this. Throw some rag over there.

951
00:38:00,310 --> 00:38:00,890
Speaker 2: Okay, so.

952
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:02,290
Speaker 5: Nightmare time.

953
00:38:03,090 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: Anyone coming at you with a metal bowl full of ice,

954
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: run the fuck... If you can run.

955
00:38:07,739 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: Bad intentions. There's nothing good at the end of that.

956
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,950
Speaker 2: So....

957
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:16,140
Speaker 3: Then, and this is very upsetting, and it also is

958
00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: something that was featured. Did you watch the assassination of

959
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: Gianni Versace?

960
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:22,379
Speaker 5: No, I haven't watched that yet. It's good.

961
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

962
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: It's really good.

963
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: I hadn't watched it because, of course, there was online,

964
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:28,950
Speaker 3: we're not sure if we like it or not, which

965
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:31,450
Speaker 3: I always then go, oh, forget it. And then someone

966
00:38:31,489 --> 00:38:33,770
Speaker 3: was like, are you crazy? It's the best, and you

967
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:34,260
Speaker 3: will love it.

968
00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:34,790
Speaker 2: And I did.

969
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:36,130
Speaker 5: And it's brilliant.

970
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:38,740
Speaker 3: But there's one part where he has a victim, and...

971
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:42,020
Speaker 3: And this is what happened to Tika. Stephanie wrapped her

972
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: head in duct tape.

973
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:48,140
Speaker 5: What? So her eyes are covered. Her whole head is covered.

974
00:38:48,180 --> 00:38:49,859
Speaker 5: She can barely breathe through her nose.

975
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

976
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,370
Speaker 5: Everything's covered. It's the worst. It's so claustrophobic. And it's

977
00:38:57,390 --> 00:39:01,270
Speaker 5: such a psychotic move to sue to someone. It's insane.

978
00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:04,250
Speaker 3: And it's incredibly dehumanizing. It's like this person that I'm

979
00:39:04,290 --> 00:39:05,930
Speaker 3: attacking isn't a person.

980
00:39:06,190 --> 00:39:08,210
Speaker 5: It's crazy. And it's something that.

981
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:14,810
Speaker 3: that um andrew konan did as well wow so not

982
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:16,859
Speaker 3: a good sign if you're doing what andrew konan does

983
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: no i'm not on your side immediate fail uh okay

984
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: so now it's going to get worse squeamish people if

985
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,110
Speaker 3: you if you suddenly thought that you were somehow in

986
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:26,109
Speaker 3: a landing.

987
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:28,270
Speaker 2: Place you aren't i did i'm not.

988
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: No go back to being on your toes. So, Tika,

989
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,609
Speaker 3: this is how she explains it on the show. She

990
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:39,350
Speaker 3: just says, she wraps her head in duct tape, and

991
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:40,810
Speaker 3: then she just starts cutting.

992
00:39:43,489 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 5: So, she talks... Stephanie starts at the top of Tika's

993
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 5: pelvic area and just starts cutting upward. Fast forward, fast forward,

994
00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:55,109
Speaker 5: fast forward. This is real life.

995
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,529
Speaker 3: Uh, but she doesn't have the correct tools. It's not

996
00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:02,070
Speaker 3: like a surgical cut. She is, she's using fucking kitchen

997
00:40:02,110 --> 00:40:03,190
Speaker 3: knives and box cutters.

998
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:05,609
Speaker 5: Who knows how deep to go? Who knows how, I mean, like,

999
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:08,410
Speaker 5: how do you know this woman knows nothing. And Tika, this,

1000
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,580
Speaker 5: as she describes it, it's so fucking awful. And she's

1001
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:15,340
Speaker 5: just like, I could feel every cut. She felt every

1002
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 5: single thing this woman did. And she said she was having,

1003
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:20,930
Speaker 5: she started to have a hard time breaking Tika's skin.

1004
00:40:20,989 --> 00:40:21,650
Speaker 5: I'm sweating.

1005
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:23,169
Speaker 2: I'm sweating. No, it's bad.

1006
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:24,510
Speaker 5: It's super bad.

1007
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:28,029
Speaker 3: So she starts picking at it. Then when she opens

1008
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:31,779
Speaker 3: the skin, then she's cutting through muscle. It's like, and

1009
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:33,870
Speaker 3: she's just laying there feeling it.

1010
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,580
Speaker 5: Now, this was the part that got tweeted. She's saying

1011
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:40,580
Speaker 5: this shit on I Survived? Yes, she's telling this story.

1012
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: And they're like leaving all that stuff in?

1013
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:44,470
Speaker 3: Well, it's what fucking happened to her. And it's what

1014
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:47,850
Speaker 3: she lived through. She gets to tell it. But this

1015
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:50,670
Speaker 3: is the best part. She goes, this whole time this

1016
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:53,790
Speaker 3: is happening to me, she's playing the Michael Jackson movie,

1017
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:57,090
Speaker 3: This Is It. And she's going back to the movie

1018
00:40:57,219 --> 00:40:59,620
Speaker 3: and rewinding it. If it gets to like the talking

1019
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: head documentary part, she'll rewind it back to the song

1020
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,819
Speaker 3: performance part. And she said she's blasting the music and

1021
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: just playing the songs.

1022
00:41:08,219 --> 00:41:09,020
Speaker 2: Over and over.

1023
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:09,140
Speaker 5: What?

1024
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson?

1025
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,290
Speaker 3: And she said, I'm laying there cut open. Even I'm thinking,

1026
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:16,669
Speaker 3: why is she playing this over and over? And then

1027
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:20,930
Speaker 3: she goes, because I hate Michael Jackson anyway. And that's

1028
00:41:20,969 --> 00:41:22,250
Speaker 3: the clip that got sent.

1029
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:24,569
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I saw. I did not realize how

1030
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,250
Speaker 2: horrifying that quote was.

1031
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,219
Speaker 5: In the middle. Surrounded by what was happening. Yeah, in

1032
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:29,899
Speaker 5: the middle of that.

1033
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,739
Speaker 3: And also, that's that thing where, and I've said this

1034
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 3: a million times, but I survived. that's that thing about

1035
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: the women or men that are on that show. When

1036
00:41:38,780 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: they tell these stories, they've been through it already. And

1037
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,650
Speaker 3: it's this proof that you can go through fucking anything

1038
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:47,850
Speaker 3: and remain resilient and strong and be able to tell

1039
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:50,370
Speaker 3: your own story. It's what makes me cry every time.

1040
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:52,969
Speaker 3: And she's like laughing in the middle of it going. And,

1041
00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:55,270
Speaker 3: but she said that was the moment where she saw

1042
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:58,049
Speaker 3: the big picture of what was happening. And she said,

1043
00:41:58,190 --> 00:42:02,690
Speaker 3: it blew my mind. Like how insane this, like how

1044
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: insane this is for her. So, So anyway, it's just

1045
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:07,500
Speaker 3: so crazy.

1046
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:08,740
Speaker 5: She shits on Michael Jackson.

1047
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: All right.

1048
00:42:09,219 --> 00:42:11,390
Speaker 5: And then she says it like, anyway, like, I don't

1049
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:12,890
Speaker 5: want to get into that. Like, I know everyone's going

1050
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:15,770
Speaker 5: to hate me for this. I know that's an unpopular opinion. Right.

1051
00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:18,690
Speaker 5: We'll talk about it later. You can hate whoever you want.

1052
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:19,430
Speaker 2: Forever.

1053
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:20,069
Speaker 5: Forever.

1054
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:25,259
Speaker 3: So when she, so of course, eventually she, he or

1055
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,339
Speaker 3: she passes out. But even then, what a, like the

1056
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: idea that she was awake for that, having those thoughts,

1057
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: like she's a fucking warrior.

1058
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,020
Speaker 5: It's crazy. Totally.

1059
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:38,980
Speaker 3: So when she wakes up, she's on the bed and

1060
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: Stephanie's laying in a fetal position on the floor.

1061
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,100
Speaker 5: In front of the doorway in the bedroom. So she

1062
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:51,030
Speaker 5: realizes Tika realizes she tries to. roll over.

1063
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:53,170
Speaker 3: Like she's like, this might be my chance to get

1064
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:55,890
Speaker 3: out of here. So she tries to roll over. And

1065
00:42:55,930 --> 00:42:58,380
Speaker 3: when she does, the metal bowl is still sitting on

1066
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,100
Speaker 3: the mattress with her.

1067
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: Her wedding ring hits the bowl and makes a ringing sound.

1068
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 4: Oh no.

1069
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:05,670
Speaker 5: And she freezes, but Stephanie does not wake up.

1070
00:43:05,780 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh my God.

1071
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:10,860
Speaker 3: So she says, thanks to herself and praise to God. If,

1072
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:13,500
Speaker 3: if I can just stand up, I'll get out of here.

1073
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,450
Speaker 3: So she pushes her fucking self up and she says,

1074
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: She said she asked God to give her strength from

1075
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: somewhere to just get her in standing position.

1076
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:23,530
Speaker 5: And she fucking does it.

1077
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

1078
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:26,630
Speaker 3: She starts sneaking across the room.

1079
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:29,589
Speaker 5: She steps over Stephanie. Oh, my God.

1080
00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:29,950
Speaker 4: Oh, my God.

1081
00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:35,910
Speaker 3: Blood drips onto Stephanie. She freezes, thinking Stephanie's going to

1082
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:36,790
Speaker 3: wake up and grab her.

1083
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:38,390
Speaker 5: But she doesn't.

1084
00:43:38,610 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: So then she steps the second foot over and starts

1085
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:45,140
Speaker 3: going up the hallway. Now, the squeamish people who thought

1086
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 3: things were bad before.

1087
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 5: Oh, no, it's not over.

1088
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:51,420
Speaker 3: It's going to get worse for a second. And it's

1089
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: very bad. As she's going up the hallway, she's leaning

1090
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: on one wall, getting herself up the hallway, halfway up

1091
00:43:57,580 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: the hallway. The contents of her torso fall out of her.

1092
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 5: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Karen.

1093
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:05,299
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1094
00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:09,150
Speaker 5: Uh-huh. Oh, my God. She picks up.

1095
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:10,340
Speaker 2: No, stop.

1096
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:14,780
Speaker 5: She picks it up and she keeps going. What the fuck? Yes.

1097
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: Yes.

1098
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,029
Speaker 5: She fucking gets to that front door again, opens all

1099
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:24,609
Speaker 5: three locks, and gets out of the fucking apartment. Uh-huh.

1100
00:44:27,969 --> 00:44:31,660
Speaker 5: It's the worst. It's the worst. She starts yelling for help.

1101
00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: She starts knocking on apartment doors. Nobody comes.

1102
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

1103
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 5: She makes it down the stairs, and at the bottom

1104
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,170
Speaker 5: of the staircase, she passes out.

1105
00:44:40,210 --> 00:44:40,450
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

1106
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,489
Speaker 3: Fucking Stephanie comes out the door, sees her down at

1107
00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:49,950
Speaker 3: the bottom of the stairs, makes her way down, tries

1108
00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:53,750
Speaker 3: to scoop her arms underneath Tika's arms to pull her

1109
00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:57,910
Speaker 3: back up the stairs. And Tika starts fucking fighting. She

1110
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:59,180
Speaker 3: said she bit her fingers.

1111
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,100
Speaker 2: She fought.

1112
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:01,259
Speaker 5: She screamed for help.

1113
00:45:01,780 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 3: Now a guy fucking finally comes down from the third

1114
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,140
Speaker 3: floor and he's like, what's going on? And fucking Stephanie

1115
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,180
Speaker 3: and her nice, lilty, pretty voice goes, she's delusional and

1116
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,750
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to help her and she's fighting against me.

1117
00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:17,110
Speaker 2: She's covered in blood and dying.

1118
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:20,589
Speaker 3: Tika, and she says, and she keeps talking over me.

1119
00:45:20,989 --> 00:45:23,770
Speaker 3: But Tika looks up at the man and goes, help me.

1120
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: She's trying to kill me. Then she realizes the man

1121
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: isn't reacting to the situation because she's wearing a navy

1122
00:45:30,219 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: blue shirt and. And it's not showing the blood and

1123
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: the shit that's going on under her shirt. So she,

1124
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:38,500
Speaker 3: as she's looking at him, she pulls her shirt up

1125
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: and she.

1126
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:42,420
Speaker 5: Said, the man yelled, I'm calling the cops and ran

1127
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,980
Speaker 5: back upstairs.

1128
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:44,419
Speaker 4: Yep.

1129
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,509
Speaker 3: And so with that, Stephanie looked at her as, and

1130
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,250
Speaker 3: this is the way Tika says it in the show.

1131
00:45:51,330 --> 00:45:54,010
Speaker 3: She says, she looked at me as if she was saying,

1132
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:57,010
Speaker 3: I should have killed you. And then she ran away.

1133
00:45:57,730 --> 00:46:00,830
Speaker 3: So now she's just bleeding out on the stairs and,

1134
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,830
Speaker 3: The EMTs and the firemen come. She's got somebody comes

1135
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:09,069
Speaker 3: and leans down next to her and goes, ma'am, are

1136
00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:09,630
Speaker 3: you hurt?

1137
00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:14,310
Speaker 5: Because she has this fucking shirt on that is making

1138
00:46:14,330 --> 00:46:18,370
Speaker 5: everything much more subtle than it is. And she says, yes.

1139
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:19,770
Speaker 5: She's answering.

1140
00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:23,150
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been beaten and I've been cut and I

1141
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:26,290
Speaker 3: need help. And then she pulls her shirt up. And

1142
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,910
Speaker 3: this this is Washington, D.C. I'm sure it wasn't this

1143
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:31,210
Speaker 3: guy's first day on the job. She said he looked

1144
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:33,910
Speaker 3: like he was going to throw up right there. She's

1145
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:38,590
Speaker 3: rushed into surgery. She has emergency surgery. She wakes up

1146
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 3: from the surgery, as we know, because again, it's called

1147
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: I Survived. PJ is sitting there by her bedside.

1148
00:46:43,739 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh, PJ.

1149
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,460
Speaker 5: PJ's there.

1150
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: The first thing she says is, is the baby alive?

1151
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:51,420
Speaker 3: A nurse walks in to come and check on her.

1152
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:54,940
Speaker 3: And when she asks the nurse, is her baby alive?

1153
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:58,490
Speaker 3: The nurse says, you gave birth to an eight pound,

1154
00:46:58,989 --> 00:47:00,650
Speaker 3: two ounce baby girl.

1155
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: So apparently... The baby was balled up way at the

1156
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 5: top of the womb.

1157
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was like a reaction, like

1158
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: a chemical reaction pulled her upward or if that's just

1159
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,860
Speaker 3: how she was sitting in her stomach.

1160
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:20,890
Speaker 5: But basically, they couldn't get to her. Oh, also, I

1161
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:22,330
Speaker 5: just remembered a part that I.

1162
00:47:22,350 --> 00:47:24,529
Speaker 3: Will not say. But if you think you heard the

1163
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:27,969
Speaker 3: worst part, you didn't. There was way fucking worse shit.

1164
00:47:27,989 --> 00:47:30,180
Speaker 5: I bet you'll tell me after we record. No, I'm

1165
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,020
Speaker 5: mad at you because I read it. I read it

1166
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 5: and I'm not going to tell you. I didn't do anything.

1167
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: No, I know.

1168
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: So then in the show, she says, I told them

1169
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to name her Miracle because.

1170
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:43,529
Speaker 5: I was going to guess Miracle. Were you really? Yes.

1171
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,350
Speaker 3: She says, I'm going to name her Miracle because I

1172
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:51,029
Speaker 3: survived and she survived. And fucking, you have to look up,

1173
00:47:51,130 --> 00:47:53,890
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll post a picture of Miracle. She's got

1174
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: a fucking pacifier in her mouth that says, I heart mommy.

1175
00:47:56,780 --> 00:48:00,790
Speaker 5: Yeah. And she is this chubby. She looks like a

1176
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:02,779
Speaker 5: picture of a baby. Eight pounds at fucking seven and

1177
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,020
Speaker 5: a half months is a big baby. That's a big

1178
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 5: fucking baby.

1179
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: And she looks like one of those babies in a

1180
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,219
Speaker 3: Target ad. You know those ones they just sit them

1181
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: by themselves and you're like, it's just this fully formed

1182
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: baby that's gorgeous. That's what Miracle Sky looked like, her

1183
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 3: full name.

1184
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1185
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: Tiga's attacker's real name is Veronica Dramas, I guess.

1186
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.

1187
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: She called the cops on herself, and they came and

1188
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: picked her up. She pled guilty to assault, and she's

1189
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:35,060
Speaker 3: sentenced to 25.

1190
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: Years in jail.

1191
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 4: That's it?

1192
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,500
Speaker 5: That's attempted murder.

1193
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1194
00:48:37,489 --> 00:48:39,950
Speaker 5: Well, I guess they couldn't prove attempted murder.

1195
00:48:39,969 --> 00:48:40,330
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know.

1196
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:41,830
Speaker 5: Because there was all these other stories.

1197
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:47,150
Speaker 3: Because Veronica tried to tell them that she offered Tika five.

1198
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 5: Grand for her baby. Right. And she basically seeded all

1199
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 5: this doubt.

1200
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1201
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,620
Speaker 3: Which is so fucked up because it's like, if that

1202
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: was the deal, first of all, you would not take

1203
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,390
Speaker 3: five grand. And secondly, you'd be like, it's a baby.

1204
00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:59,469
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1205
00:48:59,510 --> 00:49:01,870
Speaker 3: We should be in like the five digit area. But

1206
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:05,170
Speaker 3: on top of that, you'd fucking have the baby.

1207
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: At nine months in a hospital. Right. You fucking, all

1208
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: you assholes. Okay. So, so mad.

1209
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: On Monday, January 4th, 2010. 29-year-old Tika Adams, which 29...

1210
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,930
Speaker 3: I tell you what, and it's... She.

1211
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:19,830
Speaker 5: If you told me.

1212
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: me she was 17 i would have believed you she's

1213
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,060
Speaker 3: anyway so jealous um she faces her attacker in court

1214
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,149
Speaker 3: she goes to the preliminary preliminary trial and fucking when

1215
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:33,009
Speaker 3: that woman is brought into the courtroom she looks her

1216
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:35,350
Speaker 3: in the eye she bring she brings miracle to the

1217
00:49:35,650 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: preliminary trial they're sitting there and then she fucking mad

1218
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,020
Speaker 3: dogs her as she comes. Apparently it was very hard

1219
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,180
Speaker 3: and she was really shaken. Obviously she made a full

1220
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:49,339
Speaker 3: physical recovery though, which I cannot believe.

1221
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:51,549
Speaker 5: It's amazing. So amazing.

1222
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,009
Speaker 3: They must've had insane, amazing doctors like at whatever that

1223
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:58,330
Speaker 3: hospital she went to. But, but of course her emotional

1224
00:49:58,390 --> 00:50:06,140
Speaker 3: recovery took much longer because that's fucking insane. Um, but, uh, Oh,

1225
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: I just had this part of the news, so I

1226
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,860
Speaker 3: read an article about that afterwards. Miracle was dressed in

1227
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,230
Speaker 3: a pink outfit with matching mittens, booties, and a hat.

1228
00:50:19,210 --> 00:50:22,489
Speaker 3: And so Tika didn't have to testify against that woman.

1229
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:25,430
Speaker 3: They were just figuring out if there was enough evidence

1230
00:50:25,489 --> 00:50:26,930
Speaker 3: to bring it all to trial.

1231
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:27,210
Speaker 2: Right.

1232
00:50:29,989 --> 00:50:33,510
Speaker 5: In the, uh, the public at the time, public defender.

1233
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:36,969
Speaker 3: Kim Robinson tried to argue that the attempted first degree

1234
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:39,180
Speaker 3: murder charge that they tried to bring against her wouldn't

1235
00:50:39,219 --> 00:50:43,380
Speaker 3: hold up because there was no evidence that Dramas intended.

1236
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 5: To kill Tika. I mean, come on. Two box cutters.

1237
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 5: What the fuck? Yeah. From the blood loss alone, she

1238
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,430
Speaker 5: would have died. I mean, nothing about it is saying

1239
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:55,169
Speaker 5: she didn't want her dead. Yeah.

1240
00:50:55,710 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: Um, Luckily, Prince George County District Judge Thurman H. Rhodes disagreed,

1241
00:51:01,219 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 3: found sufficient probable cause for all charges. And she ended

1242
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:10,129
Speaker 3: up Veronica ended up going to jail. And her and

1243
00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:13,990
Speaker 3: Tika's father, Gregory Burnett, was also there. And he told reporters.

1244
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:16,969
Speaker 3: Tika's my youngest daughter, so I felt like she was

1245
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:18,330
Speaker 3: trying to take my baby.

1246
00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:19,069
Speaker 5: Aww.

1247
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:22,230
Speaker 3: Which is, I mean, let's all cry for 95 fucking

1248
00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:22,770
Speaker 3: different reasons.

1249
00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:23,190
Speaker 5: Can we?

1250
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:26,460
Speaker 3: But, of course, at the end of I Survived, as

1251
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:30,460
Speaker 3: we all know, they make you say why you think

1252
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: you survived.

1253
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1254
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,939
Speaker 5: That's, like, the speech everyone gives.

1255
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1256
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: And this is what Tika said. I survived because I

1257
00:51:36,540 --> 00:51:38,100
Speaker 3: was coming to a point in my life where I

1258
00:51:38,140 --> 00:51:41,420
Speaker 3: started to love myself and respect myself.

1259
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,860
Speaker 5: Ooh. and cherish life. And I survived because of God

1260
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 5: and my support system.

1261
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:48,529
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people love me and I

1262
00:51:48,590 --> 00:51:52,009
Speaker 3: know that God loves me. And like they say, God

1263
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:54,810
Speaker 3: looks after babies and fools. And I had a baby

1264
00:51:54,830 --> 00:51:59,609
Speaker 3: and I was a fool. And then she goes, yep.

1265
00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: And she crying when she says all this, I can't, she.

1266
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:06,500
Speaker 5: Doesn't really cry that much in this. I cried the

1267
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,100
Speaker 5: whole fucking time. I'm crying now. And when she gives

1268
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,870
Speaker 5: the speech at the end, She just has that, she's

1269
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:16,470
Speaker 5: been through everything. It's like she's been through everything.

1270
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,780
Speaker 3: And now here she is wearing this fucking rad blue shirt,

1271
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: looking gorgeous.

1272
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:22,660
Speaker 5: It's so crazy.

1273
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,100
Speaker 2: That's fucking gnarly.

1274
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: And the last, the very last card that comes up

1275
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:31,739
Speaker 3: says Tika and her family now live in an apartment

1276
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: in Washington, D.C.

1277
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: Oh, good.

1278
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,180
Speaker 5: Come on.

1279
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,450
Speaker 3: And that is Tika Adams' story of survival that I love.

1280
00:52:40,489 --> 00:52:44,590
Speaker 5: Karen! God bless. Once again, Charlotte White, you made it happen.

1281
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:45,810
Speaker 5: You gave me the idea. Thank you.

1282
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:46,550
Speaker 2: That was great.

1283
00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: Okay, we're back. Karen, any case updates?

1284
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,980
Speaker 3: There are no updates for Tika's case, but it is interesting.

1285
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: I have covered a different attempt at a fetal abduction case,

1286
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,129
Speaker 3: which was the survival story of Sarah Brady from episode 23.

1287
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:10,430
Speaker 3: But recently, Netflix released a documentary titled Titled Maternal Instinct

1288
00:53:10,469 --> 00:53:12,069
Speaker 3: that everyone's been talking about.

1289
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:13,270
Speaker 4: I totally watched it.

1290
00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:13,569
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1291
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,180
Speaker 3: But this fake pregnancy scheme resulted in the murder of

1292
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: 21-year-old Reagan Simmons Hancock.

1293
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: It's a really, it's a really heartbreaking story. I was

1294
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,540
Speaker 2: hesitant to watch the documentary because it's just such a

1295
00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: horrifying crime. But, I mean, it is a good show

1296
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:32,379
Speaker 2: in that it's like just mind-boggling how someone could do

1297
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:33,020
Speaker 2: these things.

1298
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,380
Speaker 5: These women who get obsessed with having a baby and

1299
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,470
Speaker 5: taking a baby. It's such a strange story. foreign thing.

1300
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:43,540
Speaker 3: But according to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children,

1301
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: there were 21 documented fetal abduction cases in the United

1302
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: States between 1987 and 2022. And 19 of those ended

1303
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: with the pregnant woman being killed.

1304
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 4: Yes. That seems like so much of a larger number

1305
00:53:58,900 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 4: than I would have guessed.

1306
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,020
Speaker 5: Right?

1307
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:00,460
Speaker 2: Wow.

1308
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,340
Speaker 5: Like, the Sarah Brady case I thought was a one-off. Yeah.

1309
00:54:03,469 --> 00:54:05,930
Speaker 5: Then the Tika Adams case where it's like, oh, my God.

1310
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:06,649
Speaker 4: There's two of these.

1311
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:06,930
Speaker 5: Yes.

1312
00:54:06,969 --> 00:54:07,189
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1313
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:10,230
Speaker 5: And now it's like, oh, no, there have been more

1314
00:54:10,290 --> 00:54:12,830
Speaker 5: than anyone wants to even consider.

1315
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:13,630
Speaker 2: Terrifying.

1316
00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:15,430
Speaker 5: It's just crazy.

1317
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:16,170
Speaker 4: Okay.

1318
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:16,569
Speaker 2: So.

1319
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:20,350
Speaker 3: Let's get into George's story from this episode, and it

1320
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: is the West Mesa Bone Collector.

1321
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:29,690
Speaker 4: All right.

1322
00:54:29,969 --> 00:54:30,230
Speaker 2: Yes.

1323
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:31,370
Speaker 5: My turn.

1324
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:31,850
Speaker 2: Do it.

1325
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:32,730
Speaker 5: Here we go.

1326
00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:36,069
Speaker 3: Roll up those sleeves like a member of a gang

1327
00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:38,430
Speaker 3: from The Outsiders and really give me this story.

1328
00:54:38,770 --> 00:54:40,910
Speaker 2: You're just saying that because I'm wearing overall shorts for

1329
00:54:40,930 --> 00:54:41,430
Speaker 2: some reason.

1330
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:42,729
Speaker 5: What is wrong with me?

1331
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:45,910
Speaker 3: George is wearing overall shorts like the most precious little

1332
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,290
Speaker 3: kindergartner I've ever seen.

1333
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:52,890
Speaker 2: Here's the problem. I saw some Instagram fashion influencers wearing

1334
00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: these and I was like, they look so cute. And

1335
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: now I got them and I'm like, oh, no. I

1336
00:54:58,780 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: am not that.

1337
00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:04,739
Speaker 5: Are you having influencer envy? I think I am. Well,

1338
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 5: I'd like to say, I think it's going to be

1339
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 5: roughly five words to you. What? Compare and despair. That's

1340
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:11,379
Speaker 5: three words.

1341
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:11,780
Speaker 2: Okay.

1342
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,030
Speaker 5: Compare and despair. Okay. Don't compare yourself to other people

1343
00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 5: because then you will despair. I'm like, I'm already doing that. No, no, no.

1344
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:20,100
Speaker 4: I want it.

1345
00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 5: Don't compare or you'll despair.

1346
00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:22,420
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.

1347
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,020
Speaker 5: I think they tried to get it down as short

1348
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 5: as possible. You know, I'm not comparing. I just also

1349
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 5: don't think these look good on me.

1350
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,620
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like specifically me. I'm fine

1351
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:29,910
Speaker 2: with it.

1352
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,060
Speaker 3: I've only seen you sitting down in them.

1353
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,900
Speaker 5: I need to see you mingle around in a party.

1354
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1355
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 5: That's a different level, Georgia. But I think you can

1356
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,010
Speaker 5: pull that off.

1357
00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:37,100
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1358
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,549
Speaker 2: You've got fucking bangs back, pigtails, no makeup. With my

1359
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:42,660
Speaker 2: sleeves rolled up.

1360
00:55:42,830 --> 00:55:43,489
Speaker 5: All right, let me do this.

1361
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a shirt that I have worn. I wore

1362
00:55:47,260 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: it in the video that we posted for the fans.

1363
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: I've worn it pretty much every day since that video

1364
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:56,089
Speaker 3: was made. It's covered in dog hair. I don't owe

1365
00:55:56,170 --> 00:55:56,930
Speaker 3: anybody anything.

1366
00:55:56,950 --> 00:56:00,820
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm going to— five words. If it's not broken, why

1367
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: do you need to change it?

1368
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:03,300
Speaker 5: It's fine. Everything's fine.

1369
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:05,060
Speaker 2: Just like give it a quick lint roll, maybe throw

1370
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,049
Speaker 2: it in the dryer and everything's fine.

1371
00:56:07,150 --> 00:56:07,890
Speaker 5: Four, five.

1372
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:09,250
Speaker 4: Yes. Nice.

1373
00:56:09,730 --> 00:56:11,350
Speaker 5: Let's make it. That's the new shirt.

1374
00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:14,410
Speaker 2: That's the new shirt that you have to wear every day.

1375
00:56:14,430 --> 00:56:17,100
Speaker 5: Says that on it. Yes.

1376
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: And we will print the shirt and there will be

1377
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: a dog hair on the print of the shirt.

1378
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 5: So you'll never be able to lint roll it off.

1379
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 5: It'll be printed into the ink.

1380
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,380
Speaker 2: Yes.

1381
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,859
Speaker 5: Cat and dog hair. Each one of our pets will

1382
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,580
Speaker 5: contribute a hair. Yeah. To the printing of the shirt.

1383
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 5: George can't wait to donate all of her hair and

1384
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:36,300
Speaker 5: some of her fingernails. We're going to shave all our pets.

1385
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: Let's do that. We're going to have a video. Listen,

1386
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:39,980
Speaker 2: you have to join the fan cult because there's going

1387
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,460
Speaker 2: to be a video of us shaving our pets.

1388
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:47,100
Speaker 5: Oh, you're going to love it. It's going to be glorious. Um. Anyhow.

1389
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,700
Speaker 2: Anyhow. Let's do this.

1390
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: Okay.

1391
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:56,550
Speaker 2: All right. This murder or collection of murders has a

1392
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:57,670
Speaker 2: very chilling name.

1393
00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:02,940
Speaker 5: You know this one. It's the West Mesa Bone Collector. Oh, fuck. Yep.

1394
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:05,620
Speaker 5: I know of it, but I'm confusing it with.

1395
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,739
Speaker 3: All those bodies in Juarez. Like I'm thinking of the

1396
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: Southwest and skeletons.

1397
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:14,380
Speaker 2: And the Long Island serial killer too, right? Like the

1398
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: collection of bodies.

1399
00:57:15,580 --> 00:57:15,650
Speaker 4: Yes.

1400
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,460
Speaker 5: That kind of thing.

1401
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,580
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'm just going to do this time

1402
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:21,180
Speaker 2: the West Mesa serial killer.

1403
00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:23,380
Speaker 5: No, you have to do all the cases I mentioned.

1404
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:26,260
Speaker 5: Or this is not real. Buckle up, everyone. I'm doing

1405
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 5: all of them. Or this isn't real. Or this is

1406
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: a different plane of existence. Or reality is canceled. Reality

1407
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 5: is canceled. Next, next, next shirt. All right.

1408
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,220
Speaker 2: Mid 2005, Karen, Detective Ida Lopez is the only missing

1409
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:46,150
Speaker 2: persons detective for Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is the largest

1410
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:50,310
Speaker 2: city in New Mexico with about half a million people.

1411
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:53,450
Speaker 2: In Albuquerque, the rate of violent crime is more than

1412
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:55,820
Speaker 2: double the national average. Oh, shit.

1413
00:57:55,860 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

1414
00:57:56,620 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of it.

1415
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 5: Isn't Albuquerque like where Better Call Saul takes place and stuff?

1416
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 5: And even before that, Breaking Bad. Oh, for real?

1417
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:04,460
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1418
00:58:04,740 --> 00:58:05,060
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.

1419
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad is like.

1420
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 5: Breaking Bad really brought Albuquerque to the fore. It really did.

1421
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: It's a fucking excellent, crazy show. It's so good.

1422
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,310
Speaker 2: But it does. Yeah.

1423
00:58:13,610 --> 00:58:15,010
Speaker 5: But there's some shit going down in Albuquerque.

1424
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:18,510
Speaker 2: There's shit going down, like balanced with a kind of suburban,

1425
00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:19,350
Speaker 2: normal life.

1426
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:21,250
Speaker 5: It's like a really, it seemed like a really.

1427
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:24,930
Speaker 2: Weird city in that it's some really horrible, dangerous, scary

1428
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:25,660
Speaker 2: shit going on.

1429
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: And right outside the development of the housing development.

1430
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:30,070
Speaker 5: Exactly.

1431
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: People trying to raise their, like, you know, any city,

1432
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: but double Z's in this one.

1433
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 5: But I wonder if that's changed since 2005. I bet

1434
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 5: it has. And I hope people tell us. Stephen will

1435
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 5: give us a birthday report about Albuquerque's current crime right

1436
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,260
Speaker 5: after this murder.

1437
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: We need you to dress up like Albuquerque. This is

1438
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: going to be like a show and tell for school.

1439
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: Can I just, sorry, but can I just tell you

1440
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: this really quick? Are you going to tell me about

1441
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,340
Speaker 2: how the one country that was left when you had

1442
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: to do your presentation in elementary school was?

1443
00:58:58,580 --> 00:58:59,100
Speaker 5: Was Iceland?

1444
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: Iceland.

1445
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,220
Speaker 2: No.

1446
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:02,030
Speaker 5: I've already told you that four times, so you don't

1447
00:59:02,050 --> 00:59:04,310
Speaker 5: need to hear that again. No, when my sister and

1448
00:59:04,350 --> 00:59:08,410
Speaker 5: Nora were just visiting me, there was, we were at.

1449
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:10,260
Speaker 2: Nora's your 10-year-old niece, just remember. knows.

1450
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:10,580
Speaker 5: Yep.

1451
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,700
Speaker 3: And we were at Wood Ranch Grill, and the kids'

1452
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,170
Speaker 3: menu had a quiz testing you on state capitals.

1453
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:19,370
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

1454
00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,900
Speaker 3: And my sister and I couldn't stop laughing because in

1455
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: sixth grade, when my sister was in sixth grade, she

1456
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: had to get tested on state capitals. So she, on

1457
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,300
Speaker 3: our family's brand new stereo, where she plugged in a

1458
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:31,510
Speaker 3: microphone that came.

1459
00:59:31,350 --> 00:59:34,510
Speaker 5: With the kit. Oh my God, the first podcast ever made. Exactly.

1460
00:59:34,690 --> 00:59:36,790
Speaker 3: And it was a cassette tape that my sister recorded

1461
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:41,410
Speaker 3: and talked into this, into this microphone where she recited

1462
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,380
Speaker 3: every state alphabetically and its state capitol and and then

1463
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:46,300
Speaker 3: listen to the tape.

1464
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 5: So both of us know state capitals because- That's brilliant.

1465
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1466
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 5: That's how I learned too, is just repetition.

1467
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:52,420
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1468
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:54,990
Speaker 5: Did you record it like that and listen to yourself?

1469
00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:57,090
Speaker 2: I don't think we had those capabilities in the hard

1470
00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:57,750
Speaker 2: stark household.

1471
00:59:58,310 --> 00:59:59,110
Speaker 5: We were pretty high end.

1472
00:59:59,150 --> 01:00:01,590
Speaker 2: You were pretty rich, Karen, is what you're bragging about.

1473
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:02,470
Speaker 5: Incredibly rich.

1474
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: If you leave today's podcast with anything, please know that

1475
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 3: we were definitely the 1%.

1476
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:13,970
Speaker 5: The Kilgariffs were moneyed. Not in the least, but we're laughing.

1477
01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:16,930
Speaker 5: And then Nora starts testing us on state capitals. And

1478
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:20,450
Speaker 5: my sister knew all of them. And I was making

1479
01:00:20,670 --> 01:00:22,790
Speaker 5: up cities. And I was like, wait, I was just there.

1480
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,020
Speaker 5: Have no recall whatsoever. You seizured that away a long

1481
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 5: time ago. Thank you.

1482
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,910
Speaker 2: I was going to say drink that away, but then

1483
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:33,050
Speaker 2: I was like, that's not as nice.

1484
01:00:33,470 --> 01:00:35,970
Speaker 5: Something she can't control, like the seizures, is nicer. Thank you.

1485
01:00:36,010 --> 01:00:38,390
Speaker 5: It's like not an accusation. It's more like, poor you.

1486
01:00:38,430 --> 01:00:40,650
Speaker 5: You lost all your state capitals when those seizures hit.

1487
01:00:40,750 --> 01:00:41,150
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1488
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:41,950
Speaker 5: And you know what?

1489
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,070
Speaker 2: In solidarity, I did the same thing with you. I

1490
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:45,420
Speaker 2: just lost them all.

1491
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:47,100
Speaker 5: You induced some seizures in yourself? No, no.

1492
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: I just don't know the state capitals. That's friendship. I know.

1493
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1494
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Okay.

1495
01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:52,220
Speaker 5: Bye.

1496
01:00:52,340 --> 01:00:56,020
Speaker 2: Bye. Uh, okay. Let's go back.

1497
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 5: You just started. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Because it's

1498
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: going to get dark. Not as violent, but dark.

1499
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,060
Speaker 2: All right.

1500
01:01:03,140 --> 01:01:04,419
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks.

1501
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,700
Speaker 2: Okay. So Detective Ida Lopez, this badass woman, she, a

1502
01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:10,780
Speaker 2: couple of weeks after being assigned to the missing persons department,

1503
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: the only person in missing department.

1504
01:01:12,610 --> 01:01:13,450
Speaker 5: Which is crazy.

1505
01:01:13,590 --> 01:01:13,810
Speaker 2: I know.

1506
01:01:14,130 --> 01:01:17,910
Speaker 5: After having been in vice and a patrol officer.

1507
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,420
Speaker 2: For years she noticed that women with similar backgrounds had

1508
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: been vanishing from albuquerque all women were all the women

1509
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:29,060
Speaker 2: were in their 20s and 30s with similar looks and

1510
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: arrest records for sex work and drugs and they'd all

1511
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,510
Speaker 2: vanished without word to their families all of them after

1512
01:01:36,550 --> 01:01:38,710
Speaker 2: a couple months of compiling a list there were five

1513
01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:42,570
Speaker 2: missing women with similar similar profiles and they were all

1514
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:45,790
Speaker 2: known to hang out in a fucking like in albuquerque

1515
01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:49,950
Speaker 2: which has as i said uh violent crime more than

1516
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:53,220
Speaker 2: double the national average this part of albuquerque that's the

1517
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,910
Speaker 2: most dangerous part called the war zone oh no so

1518
01:01:55,930 --> 01:01:57,990
Speaker 2: they were all known to hang out there no i

1519
01:01:58,030 --> 01:02:02,060
Speaker 2: know What hindered her research was that some had already

1520
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: been missing for over a year due to their transient lifestyles.

1521
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,780
Speaker 5: So by the time their parents.

1522
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,650
Speaker 2: And families reported them missing, who were really the only

1523
01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:13,150
Speaker 2: people who would report them missing, they had been used

1524
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:16,270
Speaker 2: to not seeing them for weeks and months and so

1525
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:18,750
Speaker 2: didn't know how long they had been gone for. Plus,

1526
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: since they had no regular schedules, it was hard to

1527
01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: track down when and where they had last been seen.

1528
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:25,450
Speaker 5: And they also.

1529
01:02:25,230 --> 01:02:28,990
Speaker 2: Supported their drug habit with sex work off of the street.

1530
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: So they would come into contact regularly with strangers that

1531
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: couldn't be like tracked down and questioned, you know, that

1532
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:39,820
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So when Ida, who's this wonderful woman

1533
01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:43,020
Speaker 2: who doesn't, you know, isn't biased by the fact that

1534
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,660
Speaker 2: they are sex workers, she's like ready to look into this.

1535
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: She hits the street to find out if there were

1536
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,700
Speaker 2: any rumors of the women's whereabouts. And when she does this,

1537
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: she hears a rumor. that some of the girls had

1538
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: been killed and were buried on the West Mesa.

1539
01:02:59,420 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 5: Like, this is a rumor going around.

1540
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: And the West Mesa is a vast desert just on

1541
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: the outskirts of the city. So Detective Lopez didn't have

1542
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: much more to go on, but just in case, she

1543
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:12,300
Speaker 2: did collect DNA and dental records from the woman's families

1544
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,540
Speaker 2: just in case, which, of course, scared the shit out

1545
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: of the families.

1546
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:20,370
Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet. Let's see. But it wasn't really a

1547
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:21,190
Speaker 5: huge story.

1548
01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:25,910
Speaker 3: As it never is because it's sex workers and people

1549
01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: that quote unquote have high risk lifestyles.

1550
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:32,540
Speaker 2: Exactly. And so nobody but Detective Lopez and the families

1551
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:35,220
Speaker 2: of the missing girls were really concerned about the disappearances.

1552
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: of by 2007, what had become more than a dozen

1553
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:42,700
Speaker 2: women on her list. I think it's like 16. It's

1554
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: hard to find an exact number, but it's around 16

1555
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,830
Speaker 2: women on her list of potentially related cases of missing

1556
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:52,710
Speaker 2: women in the city between 2001 and 2006. So she's

1557
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:55,110
Speaker 2: the only person who had noticed a pattern, put them together,

1558
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:59,170
Speaker 2: and is kind of doing whatever she can to investigate it.

1559
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 4: Okay.

1560
01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 5: So that was 2007.

1561
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,260
Speaker 1: All right.

1562
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: Then in early February 2009, the case breaks wide fucking

1563
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: open when a woman named Christine Ross, she's walking her

1564
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,630
Speaker 2: dog named Ruka. That's her dog's name. They're near their

1565
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:21,590
Speaker 2: new build house on the outskirts of Albuquerque in the

1566
01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:24,540
Speaker 2: area known as West Mesa. So Christine likes to take

1567
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: Ruka to an area that was once meant for new housing,

1568
01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: but had been abandoned during the 2008 economy crash, which

1569
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:32,300
Speaker 2: we all know about.

1570
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,690
Speaker 5: So all these fucking... Do we all know? No, we do.

1571
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:38,780
Speaker 5: So all these mortgages, all this fucking shit went bust.

1572
01:04:39,100 --> 01:04:42,370
Speaker 2: All this new construction stopped being built because everyone was like,

1573
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:44,610
Speaker 2: the housing market's going to be huge. And then, no.

1574
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:48,710
Speaker 2: everything is wrong let's not blame the banks let's fucking

1575
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:51,850
Speaker 2: make poor regular normal people who couldn't afford the mortgages

1576
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:53,700
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have been given in the fucking first place

1577
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,900
Speaker 2: all a scam it's all a scam everything's a scam don't.

1578
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:02,580
Speaker 5: Watch adam mckay's movie what's it fucking called oh damn

1579
01:05:02,620 --> 01:05:03,500
Speaker 5: it steven.

1580
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:06,870
Speaker 2: Look it up uh everything's a scam don't buy into

1581
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:10,250
Speaker 2: it the end okay the big short is that what

1582
01:05:10,270 --> 01:05:12,610
Speaker 2: it's called will you double check me It's such a

1583
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:12,930
Speaker 2: good movie.

1584
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:16,510
Speaker 3: It's about that exact thing where 10 years ago, we

1585
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:18,010
Speaker 3: were living in the craziest world.

1586
01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:20,990
Speaker 5: Isn't that crazy 10 years ago? Yeah. Well, more, right?

1587
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:23,650
Speaker 5: Because if it was 2007 or 8, did you say?

1588
01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: 2008 when the bust happened.

1589
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 5: Oh, 10 years ago. Exactly.

1590
01:05:26,260 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big short.

1591
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:29,460
Speaker 5: Yeah, watch the big short by Adam McKay. It's amazing.

1592
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,140
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to watch it.

1593
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:32,500
Speaker 5: All right. Everything's a fucking scam.

1594
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: It's all a lie.

1595
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 5: The American dream, etc.

1596
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,580
Speaker 2: Anyways. Okay, so she liked to go over to this

1597
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: area where the housing development had never started, had been

1598
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: abandoned because of the crash. And it's now a desolate

1599
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:49,930
Speaker 2: swath of land. My words, obviously.

1600
01:05:50,070 --> 01:05:53,530
Speaker 5: Your word, not a cut and paste word?

1601
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:57,390
Speaker 2: And she'd let Ruka off his leash to run around

1602
01:05:57,410 --> 01:06:01,500
Speaker 2: in the desert, hard desert sand, right? So that day,

1603
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: and it's like tumbleweedy, you know, we can imagine it.

1604
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 5: Cow skull. Cow skull with a skull on its head?

1605
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:09,180
Speaker 4: Maybe.

1606
01:06:10,220 --> 01:06:14,020
Speaker 5: Maybe a tiny bit of treasure sticking out of the sand. Well.

1607
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: Oh, no.

1608
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 5: Shit.

1609
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:16,710
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1610
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:18,090
Speaker 5: I'm going to stop talking. No.

1611
01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:23,070
Speaker 2: Because you're not wrong. Oh, no. That day, Christine noticed

1612
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:26,070
Speaker 2: Ruka digging. And when she approached him, she realized he

1613
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:29,530
Speaker 2: was trying to uncover something out of the sand. No.

1614
01:06:30,590 --> 01:06:33,050
Speaker 2: And it looked like a bone. But she said it

1615
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:33,830
Speaker 2: didn't look like.

1616
01:06:33,730 --> 01:06:34,510
Speaker 5: An animal bone.

1617
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:37,150
Speaker 2: So concerned, she took a photo of it and sent

1618
01:06:37,230 --> 01:06:39,090
Speaker 2: it to none other than her own sister, who was

1619
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:41,900
Speaker 2: a nurse. And her nurse sister was like, yeah, dude,

1620
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: that's a femur. Call the fucking cops. Fuck.

1621
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:44,479
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1622
01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:48,190
Speaker 2: So the detectives arrived, they confirmed that the bone was human,

1623
01:06:48,290 --> 01:06:51,670
Speaker 2: and they began to process what would become the largest

1624
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:53,660
Speaker 2: crime scene in Albuquerque history.

1625
01:06:53,820 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 5: Oh, shit.

1626
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: This is partly because when construction had started for the

1627
01:06:57,340 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: housing development, the land had been upturned and disturbed. So

1628
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:04,130
Speaker 2: they were preparing the land for the housing development.

1629
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:04,410
Speaker 4: Right.

1630
01:07:04,810 --> 01:07:06,770
Speaker 5: So because of this, a lot of the bones.

1631
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:09,950
Speaker 2: Had been broken and scattered, which is one of the

1632
01:07:09,970 --> 01:07:13,189
Speaker 2: reasons it became a large crime scene. But also because

1633
01:07:13,210 --> 01:07:16,130
Speaker 2: by the time the detectives were finished processing the crime scene,

1634
01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:21,150
Speaker 2: two and a half months later, 206 bones of 11

1635
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:25,030
Speaker 2: female bodies and one unborn child had been found buried

1636
01:07:25,090 --> 01:07:25,670
Speaker 2: at the site.

1637
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:26,450
Speaker 1: 11?

1638
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:29,740
Speaker 5: Yeah. 12 to all together?

1639
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1640
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:30,740
Speaker 5: Fuck.

1641
01:07:31,630 --> 01:07:34,370
Speaker 2: Okay, so as the digging is underway, and the media

1642
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:37,010
Speaker 2: is obviously fucking losing their shit over this, the bones

1643
01:07:37,070 --> 01:07:40,210
Speaker 2: begin to be identified. And this is the order they're

1644
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:43,270
Speaker 2: identified in. The first to be identified is Victoria Chavez,

1645
01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:46,980
Speaker 2: who was 26. She was the first woman to be identified.

1646
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,420
Speaker 2: Just said that. Victoria's mother had reported her missing in

1647
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: March 2005 after she hadn't seen her.

1648
01:07:54,220 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 5: In more than a year.

1649
01:07:55,820 --> 01:08:01,830
Speaker 2: So this is the kind of, as I said, the unfortunate...

1650
01:08:01,700 --> 01:08:05,100
Speaker 2: circumstances behind this is because they were a lot of them,

1651
01:08:05,580 --> 01:08:05,900
Speaker 2: I think.

1652
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:06,940
Speaker 5: Drug addicts.

1653
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: They weren't around their families a lot.

1654
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,180
Speaker 5: They were on the streets. A lot of them run

1655
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 5: away from their families. Exactly. Yeah.

1656
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:16,769
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, if you've seen any fucking episode

1657
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:20,269
Speaker 2: of Intervention, you know what happens. You know, this could

1658
01:08:20,290 --> 01:08:22,889
Speaker 2: have easily been me or you. These are people who

1659
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: become addicted to drugs and They turn to sex work

1660
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,460
Speaker 2: to fund those drugs. They fall in love with a

1661
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,940
Speaker 2: bad crowd, bad boyfriend. These things happen.

1662
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: They paint themselves into kind of like a bad corner, maybe.

1663
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,780
Speaker 3: But it's the thing, and I think I've said it

1664
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,740
Speaker 3: to you a million times, where it's that when you

1665
01:08:40,979 --> 01:08:45,349
Speaker 3: are watching a true crime show and the family and

1666
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 3: the different people say, we knew there was a problem

1667
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:49,050
Speaker 3: when we didn't hear from her the next day because

1668
01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:51,370
Speaker 3: she would never do that. And every time it gives

1669
01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:54,390
Speaker 3: me the chills because I'm like, I... don't call my

1670
01:08:54,430 --> 01:08:56,950
Speaker 3: family so much that they're used to me not calling.

1671
01:08:57,070 --> 01:08:57,340
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1672
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 5: And that's how they know I'm a flake and I'm

1673
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:00,780
Speaker 5: that person.

1674
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 4: Right.

1675
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 5: So like that's there's lots of us that are like

1676
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,020
Speaker 5: that anyway. Totally.

1677
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: And it's like you can't underestimate you can't we can't

1678
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,410
Speaker 2: understate how addicting drugs and alcohol is when you have

1679
01:09:12,430 --> 01:09:14,809
Speaker 2: a life that you're trying to escape.

1680
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:15,270
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1681
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 2: Even when you're not, it's just whatever.

1682
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:18,020
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1683
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:21,180
Speaker 2: So the second person to be identified is Michelle Valdez.

1684
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: She's a 22 year old mother. Her father, Dan, had

1685
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:28,070
Speaker 2: reported her missing in 2005. Michelle had gotten pregnant at

1686
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: 13 years old. Can you fucking believe that? And later

1687
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 2: began taking drugs and was disappearing for months at a time.

1688
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,010
Speaker 2: After her bones were found, it was discovered that she

1689
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:42,210
Speaker 2: was pregnant with a four month old unborn baby or

1690
01:09:42,270 --> 01:09:47,590
Speaker 2: four months pregnant. I know. Michelle's family had heard that

1691
01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:50,550
Speaker 2: a friend of hers from the street, they didn't know her,

1692
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:54,500
Speaker 2: 32-year-old Cinnamon Elks had gone missing along with Michelle at

1693
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: the same time. This is before they knew what had

1694
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: happened to her. Um, and they had heard the rumor

1695
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 2: that Michelle and cinnamon were buried on the Mesa. So

1696
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:06,469
Speaker 2: cinnamon's body was, uh, the third to be ID'd and

1697
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:09,299
Speaker 2: cinnamon's mother had reported her missing when she didn't, uh,

1698
01:10:09,370 --> 01:10:12,150
Speaker 2: hear from her daughter on her birthday in August, 2004.

1699
01:10:12,150 --> 01:10:17,950
Speaker 2: So next was Julie, uh, Nieto. She was 23 when

1700
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:21,500
Speaker 2: she disappeared. She had become addicted to drugs at 19.

1701
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:23,060
Speaker 2: And when her mother last saw her in August, 2004, uh,

1702
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,290
Speaker 2: She reported her missing because she stopped sending birthday and

1703
01:10:28,330 --> 01:10:30,030
Speaker 2: Christmas presents to her young son.

1704
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:30,910
Speaker 5: Oh, no.

1705
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:31,269
Speaker 2: I know.

1706
01:10:32,510 --> 01:10:34,030
Speaker 5: It's like the things that you realize.

1707
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: Are off and why. And that's that's the last thing

1708
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,540
Speaker 2: you have. And, you know, it's so sad. So Monica

1709
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,110
Speaker 2: Candeliar had also also had a son and was reported

1710
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 2: missing May 11th, 2003. Sheriff's detectives had also heard a

1711
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:51,940
Speaker 2: rumor that she had been killed and buried on the mesa.

1712
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,540
Speaker 2: So the cops knew about this rumor, but nothing came

1713
01:10:54,580 --> 01:10:58,740
Speaker 2: of it. The mesa was fucking huge. And her case

1714
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,059
Speaker 2: had been given to the cold case unit. Okay, so

1715
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:07,260
Speaker 2: Veronica Romero's family reported her missing on February 15th, 2004.

1716
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:10,179
Speaker 5: She had four children. So at this point.

1717
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: When Veronica is found... are identified at the news conference

1718
01:11:15,220 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: for her and Monica, the fifth victim ID, Albuquerque police

1719
01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:24,150
Speaker 2: chief Ray Schultz. So he'd been holding press conferences as

1720
01:11:24,189 --> 01:11:27,370
Speaker 2: the woman had been ID. So each time someone's ID,

1721
01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:29,470
Speaker 2: he holds a press conference. The press are fucking eating

1722
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:34,590
Speaker 2: it up. Um, He had been making it clear at

1723
01:11:34,710 --> 01:11:38,350
Speaker 2: every press conference that the women had all and had

1724
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:40,610
Speaker 2: been saying that they had arrest records for drug and

1725
01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:43,290
Speaker 2: sex works. And they had mentioned it early and often

1726
01:11:43,450 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 2: that that was the case with these women. And this

1727
01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: press conference that he does for Veronica and Monica is

1728
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,099
Speaker 2: the first time in the first press conference where he

1729
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,260
Speaker 2: refers to the.

1730
01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 5: Women as victims. The first time.

1731
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1732
01:11:58,150 --> 01:11:58,710
Speaker 5: After how many?

1733
01:11:59,090 --> 01:12:01,590
Speaker 2: So they're the fifth and sixth to be reported. So

1734
01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:05,740
Speaker 2: I think a couple of them had been announced together.

1735
01:12:05,820 --> 01:12:09,220
Speaker 5: They were almost making it sound the first four, like

1736
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,180
Speaker 5: these were just the bodies.

1737
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: We found the bodies of these sex workers, which is

1738
01:12:13,939 --> 01:12:16,580
Speaker 2: obviously not the word they used. Right. Not the word

1739
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:19,420
Speaker 2: that is used in any of the articles and fucking

1740
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,230
Speaker 2: the shit I watched.

1741
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:23,059
Speaker 5: Obviously but you know right we're new to that.

1742
01:12:22,979 --> 01:12:26,380
Speaker 3: Too it's it's a developing uh change but also just

1743
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,820
Speaker 3: that idea that it's the what he's not saying but

1744
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,900
Speaker 3: what's implied is and this is what happens when you

1745
01:12:33,939 --> 01:12:36,460
Speaker 3: live that way so it's not they're not victims and

1746
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,500
Speaker 3: we're not it's not.

1747
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: A concern but he's also saying to the community who

1748
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,889
Speaker 2: he knows are going to be flipping the fuck out

1749
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:44,089
Speaker 2: and saying to him what are you going to do

1750
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:45,710
Speaker 2: about this how are you going to solve this if

1751
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:49,620
Speaker 2: he doesn't if he if he doesn't imply that it's

1752
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: partly their fault. So if they just think that some

1753
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:56,550
Speaker 2: fucking murderer is out there killing these young mothers and

1754
01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:59,510
Speaker 2: these young women and not telling everyone that they lived

1755
01:12:59,530 --> 01:13:01,929
Speaker 2: this lifestyle that's, quote, high risk. Right.

1756
01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:04,870
Speaker 5: So calm down, don't worry, and don't get mad at us. Right.

1757
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:07,450
Speaker 2: So this is just the first time that they are

1758
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:11,530
Speaker 2: referred to as victims is so horrible.

1759
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:16,269
Speaker 5: It's injustice and it's a disservice to the first four victims. Right.

1760
01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:21,890
Speaker 2: So Doreen Marquez, she so this woman's interesting. And it's

1761
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,570
Speaker 2: just another one of these stories that there's so much

1762
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:26,570
Speaker 2: more to all of these women's background than you can

1763
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:29,870
Speaker 2: ever imagine. And they're not just drug addicts and sex workers.

1764
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:32,570
Speaker 2: So Doreen had been a cheerleader in high school. She

1765
01:13:32,610 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: was a devoted mother and she didn't start using drugs

1766
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,410
Speaker 2: till later in her 20s.

1767
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,019
Speaker 5: Her boyfriend had been put in jail. Her home life

1768
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 5: went to shit.

1769
01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:44,939
Speaker 2: Not long after, at around 27 years old, her family

1770
01:13:44,979 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 2: reported her missing in December 2004. So then the eighth

1771
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:55,230
Speaker 2: victim to be ID'd, Solania Edwards. She is different than

1772
01:13:55,570 --> 01:13:58,410
Speaker 2: the rest of the victims in a couple of ways. First,

1773
01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:03,309
Speaker 2: she was the only victim identified. not known to have

1774
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:04,870
Speaker 2: friends and family in Albuquerque.

1775
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:07,030
Speaker 5: So she wasn't from Albuquerque. Her family wasn't there.

1776
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:11,770
Speaker 2: She kind of had come in randomly from Oklahoma. So

1777
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: she was 15 years old where she had run away

1778
01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:18,860
Speaker 2: from foster care. She had a clearly really sad circumstances

1779
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:20,440
Speaker 2: in her life. She didn't know her dad. Her mom

1780
01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 2: died when she was five and she was in foster care.

1781
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:23,440
Speaker 2: She ran away.

1782
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,740
Speaker 5: She's also the only African-American victim. Everyone else is white.

1783
01:14:27,220 --> 01:14:28,260
Speaker 5: or mostly Hispanic.

1784
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 2: Um, and it was determined that she was traveling on

1785
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:37,260
Speaker 2: the I-40 corridor, you know, the interstate 40.

1786
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 5: As a sex worker. And I guess that's known as

1787
01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:39,300
Speaker 5: a circuit girl.

1788
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,540
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of that truck stop to truck

1789
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: stop thing of, you know, and I think you also

1790
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,460
Speaker 2: do it with like a lot of a couple other girls.

1791
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 5: It's not just you alone. Oh, which is interesting. That's smart.

1792
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1793
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:51,660
Speaker 5: To not do it for sure.

1794
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:58,190
Speaker 2: Right. But Then is and they were hoping that because

1795
01:14:58,270 --> 01:15:00,030
Speaker 2: she was different from the rest of the victims that

1796
01:15:00,070 --> 01:15:03,170
Speaker 2: that might help lead to who was doing this. But

1797
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:08,410
Speaker 2: nothing ever came of it. So Virginia Ann Cloven was 23.

1798
01:15:08,410 --> 01:15:11,550
Speaker 2: She was reported missing in October 2004. She had run

1799
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:13,849
Speaker 2: away from home when she was 17 after her brother

1800
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:16,530
Speaker 2: had been shot and killed. And she had been forced

1801
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:18,710
Speaker 2: to live on the street later when her live in

1802
01:15:18,750 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: boyfriend had been hit by a car and was hospitalized.

1803
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: I know this poor fucking baby. Her family had last

1804
01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: heard from her in June 2004 when she called to

1805
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,980
Speaker 2: say that she had a new boyfriend who had just

1806
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:30,500
Speaker 2: gotten out of prison and that she was going to

1807
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:38,050
Speaker 2: marry him. Number 10 is Evelyn Salazar, who's 23, also

1808
01:15:38,110 --> 01:15:42,490
Speaker 2: a mother. Her family reported her missing on April 3rd, 2004.

1809
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:44,670
Speaker 2: And she had, okay, this is weird. She had been

1810
01:15:45,229 --> 01:15:49,570
Speaker 2: last seen about a week earlier with her 15-year-old cousin,

1811
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:54,050
Speaker 2: Jamie Barella, who was the last victim to be ID'd. Oh,

1812
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:58,130
Speaker 2: so Jamie Barella was 15. She was a high school student.

1813
01:15:58,250 --> 01:16:02,330
Speaker 2: And she, unlike the other West Mesa victims, she had

1814
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:06,130
Speaker 2: no known sex crime or drug arrests. And she wasn't

1815
01:16:06,189 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: known to be in that world. But her cousin, whose

1816
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,700
Speaker 2: body was ID'd with her, Evelyn Salazar, was. And they

1817
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: were last seen together heading from a family picnic to

1818
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: another park. So, you know, you got to wonder what happened.

1819
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,380
Speaker 2: She's with her older cousin. They, someone pulls up who

1820
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,790
Speaker 2: maybe her cousin from the sex working trade knows he's

1821
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:28,770
Speaker 2: a friendly John. Maybe they go to hang out with him.

1822
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:31,089
Speaker 2: You know, like who fucking knows what happened.

1823
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:33,130
Speaker 5: That opens it up too. And she's like just a

1824
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:35,510
Speaker 5: high school girl. So it could be, right. Can you

1825
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 5: drive her home? Also this, what drives me crazy too

1826
01:16:39,660 --> 01:16:41,780
Speaker 5: is like, as you said, like we were both drug

1827
01:16:41,820 --> 01:16:42,660
Speaker 5: addicts ourselves.

1828
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:47,339
Speaker 3: Um, I think if you polled most people, we'd find

1829
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,580
Speaker 3: out they were addicted to something.

1830
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1831
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 3: So this idea that these sex workers and the way

1832
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,700
Speaker 3: drug addict sounds to the ear because we've been hearing

1833
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,170
Speaker 3: it for 40 years with this thing of, oh, the

1834
01:16:57,210 --> 01:16:57,850
Speaker 3: drug addict.

1835
01:16:58,050 --> 01:16:58,270
Speaker 2: Right.

1836
01:16:58,530 --> 01:16:59,370
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1837
01:16:59,390 --> 01:17:03,030
Speaker 2: Knowing the nuances of what brings you to drug addiction...

1838
01:17:03,330 --> 01:17:04,710
Speaker 2: And how many people.

1839
01:17:04,530 --> 01:17:06,750
Speaker 3: Are secret drug addicts that are like, well, you can

1840
01:17:06,770 --> 01:17:09,980
Speaker 3: put on your pretty pink, you know, sweater set and

1841
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 3: go to the mall and just slightly slur.

1842
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,140
Speaker 5: And be a fucking Adderall drug addict. Yeah. Or the

1843
01:17:15,180 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 5: fucking Oxycontin thing that's taking over the nation.

1844
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,929
Speaker 3: Where it's just like we have to stop making it

1845
01:17:19,979 --> 01:17:23,030
Speaker 3: sound like drug addicts are thrilled to be that way.

1846
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:25,470
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, fucking party on.

1847
01:17:25,490 --> 01:17:25,570
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1848
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:26,890
Speaker 5: Because that's not the case.

1849
01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:27,050
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1850
01:17:27,570 --> 01:17:30,530
Speaker 3: It's not, once you start, that's the whole thing about

1851
01:17:30,570 --> 01:17:32,070
Speaker 3: fucking drugs is a.

1852
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 5: Lot of times you cannot stop. Yeah. That's addiction too.

1853
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,100
Speaker 2: I mean, love addiction, sex addiction, all these things where

1854
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: you make terrible choices in your life and you.

1855
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 5: Know, because you don't deserve to die. It's not you.

1856
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,140
Speaker 5: It's not you anymore. And you don't deserve to be

1857
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,480
Speaker 5: fucking killed or victimized.

1858
01:17:46,540 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: No.

1859
01:17:47,860 --> 01:17:50,170
Speaker 5: Um, I mean, yeah. All right. Now I'm talking to

1860
01:17:50,189 --> 01:17:52,070
Speaker 5: you in this tone of voice that doesn't, it's not.

1861
01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:54,390
Speaker 2: It's not at me. You're talking to the, you're talking

1862
01:17:54,410 --> 01:17:56,030
Speaker 2: to everyone else listening. It's so frustrating.

1863
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:56,970
Speaker 5: They all know. I know.

1864
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 4: All right.

1865
01:17:58,439 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: You're telling Stephen.

1866
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,849
Speaker 5: I'm tired of you denying that. Stephen, just because you're

1867
01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:08,710
Speaker 5: addicted to Hello Kitty cake. No. He's eaten the whole thing.

1868
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:11,350
Speaker 5: We've just watched him eat the entire thing during this episode.

1869
01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:15,530
Speaker 5: It's impressive. I kind of respect that. Yeah. With his hands. Yeah.

1870
01:18:15,570 --> 01:18:16,170
Speaker 5: It's pretty great.

1871
01:18:18,910 --> 01:18:23,470
Speaker 2: Okay. So it took Albuquerque police nearly a year to

1872
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: identify all of the victims. All of the women were

1873
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: between the ages of 15 and 32, and most were Hispanic.

1874
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:35,500
Speaker 2: The women had gone missing between 2001 and 2005. $ 100, 000

1875
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:38,729
Speaker 2: reward for assistance to the arrest was assistance to arrest them,

1876
01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:41,710
Speaker 2: whatever was offered. And detectives would only give the cause

1877
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:44,250
Speaker 2: of death as homicidal violence. I think wanting to keep

1878
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:47,890
Speaker 2: all that shit under wraps. So here are the suspects.

1879
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:51,610
Speaker 2: Police started looking. for men who lived in the area

1880
01:18:51,650 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: with a history of violence against sex workers. Turns out

1881
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,820
Speaker 2: to be a really long fucking list.

1882
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,220
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course.

1883
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,780
Speaker 2: They also created a timeline using satellite images. So this

1884
01:19:03,860 --> 01:19:06,300
Speaker 2: is fucking creepy and crazy. And you can see this

1885
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: shit online and maybe we'll post it. In 2002, they

1886
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,010
Speaker 2: show like the Google Earth image where they show the

1887
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:16,549
Speaker 2: huge patch of, what did I call it? Desolate swath

1888
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:17,049
Speaker 2: of land.

1889
01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:22,900
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a swath. A swath of desert land. And whatever,

1890
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 5: nothing unusual.

1891
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,379
Speaker 2: But then the satellite imagery taken in 2003 shows tire

1892
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:33,380
Speaker 2: marks leading to patches of disturbed soil in the area

1893
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:36,430
Speaker 2: where the remains were recovered. So essentially, you can track

1894
01:19:36,490 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 2: someone driving up Fucking digging a ditch, putting a body

1895
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:42,990
Speaker 2: in and covering it back up. You see these like

1896
01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:46,430
Speaker 2: squares of disturbed earth. And the way that that book

1897
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:50,790
Speaker 2: I love, No Stone Unturned, tells you how you can

1898
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:53,450
Speaker 2: find clandestine graves based on the soil and that sort

1899
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:59,520
Speaker 2: of thing. Then in 2000 and more tire marks and

1900
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: bare spots showing up in 2005. So they have this

1901
01:20:02,860 --> 01:20:06,380
Speaker 2: image of this timeline of this person. Going there and

1902
01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:06,940
Speaker 2: coming back.

1903
01:20:08,290 --> 01:20:10,269
Speaker 3: Can they see the person or they can just tell

1904
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:11,470
Speaker 3: by the topography of it?

1905
01:20:11,470 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: It's the topography. It's, you know, snapshots taken. Unfortunately, there

1906
01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:17,099
Speaker 2: was no cars when they took the photo, which sucks.

1907
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 5: A tiny man.

1908
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:18,790
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.

1909
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 5: In 2005, the marks stopped changing.

1910
01:20:22,780 --> 01:20:25,490
Speaker 2: So they think that that's because the killer had to

1911
01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:28,150
Speaker 2: stop using that area because new estates had begun to

1912
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:29,729
Speaker 2: be built in the area and people would have seen

1913
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:33,370
Speaker 2: him coming and going. But then everyone's always like, imagine

1914
01:20:33,650 --> 01:20:37,570
Speaker 2: if the economy hadn't crashed, they would have just built

1915
01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:40,610
Speaker 2: fucking houses over these bodies. And imagine how many places

1916
01:20:40,650 --> 01:20:42,170
Speaker 2: that that actually happened. I mean.

1917
01:20:42,189 --> 01:20:46,480
Speaker 5: No, let's not imagine that. Let's stay up all night.

1918
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:47,900
Speaker 4: All right.

1919
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,019
Speaker 2: So the two main suspects... Here they are. The first

1920
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:54,710
Speaker 2: main suspect is a man named Lorenzo Montoya. He lived

1921
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:56,950
Speaker 2: in a mobile home less than three miles, and it's

1922
01:20:56,970 --> 01:20:59,890
Speaker 2: really like two miles, from the burial site up until

1923
01:20:59,950 --> 01:21:03,870
Speaker 2: his death in 2006. Lorenzo was a short but really

1924
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:06,550
Speaker 2: powerfully built man. I saw a photo of him. Dead

1925
01:21:06,689 --> 01:21:10,179
Speaker 2: fucking eyes. Like, the deadest eyes. He was in his

1926
01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: 30s when the killings occurred and had been arrested multiple

1927
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 2: times for solicitation.

1928
01:21:13,979 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 5: In 1999, he had picked up a 23-year-old sex worker.

1929
01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:20,979
Speaker 2: Who was being watched by the vice unit. And I

1930
01:21:21,020 --> 01:21:22,099
Speaker 2: don't even think she knew.

1931
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 5: Oh. They were just like, let's track her. Yeah. When

1932
01:21:27,060 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 5: they followed.

1933
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,060
Speaker 2: Lorenzo's truck with the sex worker in the car, they

1934
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: followed them to an isolated spot. And police interrupted them

1935
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 2: after Lorenzo had already sexually assaulted her. And while he

1936
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,050
Speaker 2: was fucking trying to strangle her. No.

1937
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:46,130
Speaker 5: So he's strangling her and the cops like fucking knock.

1938
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,469
Speaker 2: On the window. Jesus Christ. She told police that Lorenzo

1939
01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: looked like he was enjoying strangling her.

1940
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 5: Oh, my God.

1941
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:54,420
Speaker 2: And she was convinced he was going to kill her

1942
01:21:54,740 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: if the police hadn't intervened. Unfortunately, the case was dismissed

1943
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: because the victim didn't want to testify against him.

1944
01:22:00,939 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 5: Which is heartbreaking.

1945
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: In 2006, there were reportedly tire tracks leading from his

1946
01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:11,770
Speaker 2: trailer to the site of the dead of the bodies.

1947
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:13,550
Speaker 2: But I only saw that in a couple of places.

1948
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:14,610
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's actually true.

1949
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:14,970
Speaker 5: Right.

1950
01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:15,690
Speaker 4: All right.

1951
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:21,470
Speaker 2: December 2006, Lorenzo had solicited a 19-year-old woman named Sharika

1952
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:23,710
Speaker 2: Hill via a chat room to come to his mobile

1953
01:22:23,729 --> 01:22:26,940
Speaker 2: home for a private dance. Once she was in his

1954
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:30,780
Speaker 2: mobile home, Lorenzo bound her hands and feet with duct tape,

1955
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,979
Speaker 2: then strangled her to death in what police called a, quote, brutal, orchestrated,

1956
01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: and very violent way. Ugh.

1957
01:22:38,979 --> 01:22:40,339
Speaker 5: But Lorenzo didn't know.

1958
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: That Sharika had brought her boyfriend, Frederick Williams, with her

1959
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,050
Speaker 2: for protection.

1960
01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:45,139
Speaker 4: Ugh.

1961
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: So after waiting outside for an hour in his car,

1962
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,590
Speaker 2: Frederick gets worried, goes to knock on the door of

1963
01:22:53,610 --> 01:22:56,210
Speaker 2: the mobile home. And so this is kind of I've

1964
01:22:56,250 --> 01:23:00,390
Speaker 2: read two different accounts of this. Either Lorenzo was dragging

1965
01:23:00,470 --> 01:23:04,060
Speaker 2: Sharika's body to his car or Lorenzo just burst out

1966
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:04,660
Speaker 2: with a gun.

1967
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,019
Speaker 5: And Frederick, the boyfriend, fucking shot and killed Lorenzo. Holy fuck. Yeah.

1968
01:23:10,979 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: So.

1969
01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:14,939
Speaker 5: And here's another fucking great thing. Can I just say

1970
01:23:15,020 --> 01:23:15,340
Speaker 5: one thing?

1971
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:15,540
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1972
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:18,900
Speaker 5: This is starting to sound insanely familiar. You know that.

1973
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 5: I know you know this.

1974
01:23:20,220 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: Right. But we didn't do it, did we? Don't ever

1975
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:24,219
Speaker 2: say that again. I don't care if it's true.

1976
01:23:24,540 --> 01:23:26,620
Speaker 5: Maybe it was because we were in New Mexico and

1977
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:27,860
Speaker 5: so I read it. Maybe.

1978
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,939
Speaker 2: But it also, parts of this were covered in the

1979
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,740
Speaker 2: Long Island Serial Killer, that documentary.

1980
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 5: That's what it is. That's what it is.

1981
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:35,580
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

1982
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:36,860
Speaker 5: Which is, what's it called again?

1983
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:37,440
Speaker 2: It was so great.

1984
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,469
Speaker 5: The Killing Fields? The Killing Fields. Yes. This is part

1985
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:41,130
Speaker 5: of that is in there.

1986
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:42,130
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1987
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:44,810
Speaker 5: No, I was thinking the same thing earlier.

1988
01:23:44,830 --> 01:23:45,910
Speaker 2: I was like, did she? I don't care.

1989
01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:46,910
Speaker 5: I don't care if she did it.

1990
01:23:47,790 --> 01:23:50,140
Speaker 2: So, but here's another in the article from the time

1991
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: I was like looking at reading an article, the incident.

1992
01:23:54,670 --> 01:23:57,750
Speaker 2: It's described as Lorenzo having, quote, choked to death a

1993
01:23:57,910 --> 01:24:02,370
Speaker 2: prostitute at his home, then was shot by the woman's pimp. Like,

1994
01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:05,410
Speaker 2: that's how it's described in 2006 in the fucking article.

1995
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,309
Speaker 2: Not that this, not their names, not that she wasn't

1996
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:11,440
Speaker 2: a fucking prostitute. She was going there as a dancer,

1997
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: 19 years old. Not that the dude she brought was

1998
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: her boyfriend who she was just like, come, I know

1999
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:17,380
Speaker 2: this is creepy.

2000
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,059
Speaker 5: Come hang out with me. I just want to make

2001
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:19,580
Speaker 5: sure I'm safe.

2002
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 2: It's instead choked to death a prostitute at his home.

2003
01:24:22,990 --> 01:24:26,150
Speaker 2: was then shot by the woman's pimp. Like, that just

2004
01:24:26,189 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: implies that it's almost like he's the victim. Doesn't it?

2005
01:24:28,939 --> 01:24:29,500
Speaker 5: A hundred percent.

2006
01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:34,860
Speaker 3: And also, it's not specific to... Like, even the police

2007
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:37,070
Speaker 3: were like, it was extremely violent.

2008
01:24:37,090 --> 01:24:38,410
Speaker 2: Right. It's like.

2009
01:24:38,890 --> 01:24:40,650
Speaker 3: And they don't, I don't know why choke to death

2010
01:24:40,670 --> 01:24:43,689
Speaker 3: sounds so much lighter than like, if the cops are

2011
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:47,030
Speaker 3: saying extreme violence, why can't the, why can't the newspaper

2012
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:47,330
Speaker 3: say it?

2013
01:24:47,390 --> 01:24:50,570
Speaker 2: And then in this, in all these interviews with the,

2014
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:53,090
Speaker 2: you know, investigators who now won't say if he, you know,

2015
01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:56,390
Speaker 2: he's a major suspect or not, they all say like, well,

2016
01:24:56,430 --> 01:24:58,349
Speaker 2: we would have loved to interview him and we would

2017
01:24:58,390 --> 01:25:00,410
Speaker 2: have loved to have a chance to interrogate him, but

2018
01:25:00,450 --> 01:25:03,309
Speaker 2: we can't. It's almost like they're, they're blaming this guy,

2019
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:06,470
Speaker 2: Frederick Williams, this poor fucking dude for, Who killed him.

2020
01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:07,229
Speaker 5: And it's like.

2021
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:09,809
Speaker 2: It just sounds accusatory that if he hadn't done that,

2022
01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:11,110
Speaker 2: maybe they wouldn't be able to solve it.

2023
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:11,740
Speaker 5: I mean.

2024
01:25:12,460 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Who pulled a gun... Who also had a gun. Like,

2025
01:25:14,340 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: it's just.

2026
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 5: Who just murdered his fucking girlfriend.

2027
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: The attacker.

2028
01:25:18,820 --> 01:25:20,500
Speaker 5: Like, his girlfriend's murderer.

2029
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:20,980
Speaker 4: Right.

2030
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,090
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, it's just... It's hard.

2031
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:23,549
Speaker 2: Yes.

2032
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:26,210
Speaker 5: After Lorenzo's killed, the murders stop.

2033
01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:27,550
Speaker 4: Oh.

2034
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:27,950
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2035
01:25:28,450 --> 01:25:30,310
Speaker 5: Well, I feel like we've solved it. I think so, too.

2036
01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:35,050
Speaker 5: But here's another suspect. Okay. Okay, so.

2037
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,740
Speaker 2: Police thought looked good for the murders is a dude

2038
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,780
Speaker 2: named Joseph Blay, B-L-E-A. Seven days after finding the first

2039
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,180
Speaker 2: bone on the mesa, a woman calls detectives to say

2040
01:25:45,220 --> 01:25:47,900
Speaker 2: that they should look at her ex-husband, Joseph Blay.

2041
01:25:48,500 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 5: She said that.

2042
01:25:49,780 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: She'd found jewelry in the house that didn't belong to

2043
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 2: her and women's underwear. The women's underwear, like maybe he's

2044
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,660
Speaker 2: a perv and like collects and like saves them, whatever.

2045
01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:01,190
Speaker 2: The jewelry is like no fucking one's going to be like, yeah,

2046
01:26:01,229 --> 01:26:01,900
Speaker 2: take my jewelry.

2047
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:02,950
Speaker 5: True.

2048
01:26:02,970 --> 01:26:06,180
Speaker 3: I mean, And maybe he collects that, too. There's all

2049
01:26:06,220 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 3: ways to do it. But like the combination of the

2050
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:09,090
Speaker 3: two is not good.

2051
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:10,050
Speaker 5: Never. Listen.

2052
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:10,769
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

2053
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:12,570
Speaker 5: If you find jewelry in your house, if.

2054
01:26:12,530 --> 01:26:16,890
Speaker 3: You find jewelry, underwear and duct tape in one duffel.

2055
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:18,050
Speaker 2: Bag, get the fuck out of town.

2056
01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:18,490
Speaker 4: Goodbye.

2057
01:26:18,610 --> 01:26:21,540
Speaker 2: Well, here here's this. Oh, this dude is a fucking

2058
01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: piece of shit. Okay, in the 1980s, Blay had been dubbed, quote,

2059
01:26:25,380 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 2: the mid-school rapist. Uh-oh. As he would often break into

2060
01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:31,809
Speaker 2: the homes of 13 to 15-year-old girls who lived near

2061
01:26:31,850 --> 01:26:35,050
Speaker 2: a middle school in Albuquerque and raped them in the 80s.

2062
01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:38,470
Speaker 2: Between 1990 and 2009, Blay had 130 run-ins with police.

2063
01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:39,030
Speaker 5: Fucking A.

2064
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:41,900
Speaker 2: 130. He frequented areas that many of the victims were

2065
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:48,729
Speaker 2: known to hang out. and was once found by police

2066
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:52,130
Speaker 2: in that area with rope and electrical tape in his car.

2067
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:53,310
Speaker 2: So there you go.

2068
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:56,070
Speaker 5: He's got all fucking three. He's got everything we need.

2069
01:26:56,380 --> 01:26:59,940
Speaker 2: In one case, the DNA from a 1985 murder of

2070
01:26:59,979 --> 01:27:04,260
Speaker 2: a girl found in Albuquerque was retested, but not until

2071
01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: 2010 after someone else had gone to prison for it

2072
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,460
Speaker 2: and found a match play. So the guy who was

2073
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: in prison for it was exonerated.

2074
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 5: Oh, good. In addition, okay, and this part is, and

2075
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 5: I want to know your opinion on this.

2076
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:18,350
Speaker 2: So a tree tag from a nursery was found in

2077
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:21,700
Speaker 2: the area where the West Mesa's victims' bodies were buried.

2078
01:27:22,140 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: And it was tracked down to a nursery in California

2079
01:27:24,420 --> 01:27:29,340
Speaker 2: that Blay had once frequented. To me, that's like you're

2080
01:27:29,420 --> 01:27:34,309
Speaker 2: in an area of there's trash everywhere. it's also or

2081
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 2: there's a new building going on so plants were probably

2082
01:27:36,729 --> 01:27:39,420
Speaker 2: ordered yeah and shipped in and if it's being shipped

2083
01:27:39,460 --> 01:27:41,520
Speaker 2: in maybe it's from california that to me is just

2084
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: like a fucking long shot unless it's like buried in

2085
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,620
Speaker 2: the dirt with the bodies.

2086
01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:47,509
Speaker 3: Yeah but you know i think if you look at

2087
01:27:47,550 --> 01:27:50,189
Speaker 3: it in the way of if you're a police person

2088
01:27:50,210 --> 01:27:53,070
Speaker 3: that's processing that evidence and when you look it all

2089
01:27:53,290 --> 01:27:56,050
Speaker 3: up and then you're like oh this is from this

2090
01:27:56,090 --> 01:28:00,910
Speaker 3: is from the sun valley um a botanical whatever.

2091
01:28:00,930 --> 01:28:03,650
Speaker 2: Oh, it's from, um, what did I want to call

2092
01:28:03,689 --> 01:28:07,940
Speaker 2: my name? A little shop of horticulture or my mom,

2093
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: what my mom owns, my mom, a horticulturist.

2094
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 3: So once they, when they're looking into that and they're like,

2095
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 3: they call up and then they're like, have you ever

2096
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: heard of this guy's name?

2097
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:18,900
Speaker 2: And they say, yes.

2098
01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 5: I mean, boom. You're like, there's no way that's a coincidence.

2099
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:22,810
Speaker 5: That's very true.

2100
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:25,830
Speaker 2: It's more circumstantial evidence that will keep you on track

2101
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:27,210
Speaker 2: looking into this guy. Of course.

2102
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:30,729
Speaker 3: Also, the idea that anybody hangs out at a nursery,

2103
01:28:30,830 --> 01:28:33,010
Speaker 3: the way you phrased it is like, it's his favorite bar.

2104
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:33,810
Speaker 4: Frequent. Yeah.

2105
01:28:34,130 --> 01:28:37,790
Speaker 5: I frequent this nursery. I just like to touch Jasmine plants.

2106
01:28:38,189 --> 01:28:39,870
Speaker 5: It's what I like. I do like to do that.

2107
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 5: They're very silky.

2108
01:28:41,660 --> 01:28:42,019
Speaker 4: They are.

2109
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 2: They smell so good.

2110
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:43,620
Speaker 4: Okay.

2111
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 5: So he's now around 60 years old.

2112
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: And he's serving 90 years in prison or he has

2113
01:28:48,939 --> 01:28:51,770
Speaker 2: a 90 year prison sentence for four of the sexual

2114
01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:55,050
Speaker 2: assaults related way back in the 1980s. Dude.

2115
01:28:55,410 --> 01:28:56,990
Speaker 5: For the mid-school rape cases.

2116
01:28:57,250 --> 01:28:59,350
Speaker 2: He's claimed that he's been with several of the West

2117
01:28:59,390 --> 01:29:02,990
Speaker 2: Mesa victims in the past, like had like hired them

2118
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:03,950
Speaker 2: as sex workers.

2119
01:29:04,020 --> 01:29:04,820
Speaker 5: He just brought that up?

2120
01:29:05,020 --> 01:29:05,620
Speaker 2: I guess so.

2121
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:05,939
Speaker 5: Okay.

2122
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:06,340
Speaker 4: Who knows?

2123
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 2: All right. Six women from Detective Lopez's list of similarly

2124
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,610
Speaker 2: missing women in Albuquerque are still unaccounted for.

2125
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:16,550
Speaker 5: Six.

2126
01:29:17,070 --> 01:29:19,870
Speaker 2: The last to go missing was Vanessa Reed in June

2127
01:29:19,890 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: of 2006, just six months before Lorenzo was shot and killed.

2128
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 2: In 2014, Detective Lopez retired. She was like, I can't.

2129
01:29:30,250 --> 01:29:32,550
Speaker 2: Apparently she did plenty. She did a lot.

2130
01:29:32,630 --> 01:29:33,580
Speaker 5: She fucking nailed it.

2131
01:29:33,770 --> 01:29:35,610
Speaker 2: And so there was only one detective left on the case.

2132
01:29:35,689 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: But then in 2016, detective Lopez was like, all right, fine.

2133
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 5: She comes back to work. Uh, I'm putting so many.

2134
01:29:42,260 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 5: She throws down a dish towel. Fine.

2135
01:29:44,460 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 2: She's like, there's a dateline about this case and she's

2136
01:29:47,060 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 2: interviewed throughout it.

2137
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,910
Speaker 5: And she's just cries. She's lovely.

2138
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:53,850
Speaker 2: She's just such a clearly a caring woman who, uh,

2139
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:58,330
Speaker 2: It just wants nothing more than this case to be

2140
01:29:58,370 --> 01:30:01,970
Speaker 2: solved for the families, for the victims. She cares not

2141
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:05,830
Speaker 2: about their history. She's just obviously a wonderful woman.

2142
01:30:06,270 --> 01:30:08,770
Speaker 5: Can I just say, too, I think the more women

2143
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:10,969
Speaker 5: that get involved in police work and all this stuff

2144
01:30:10,990 --> 01:30:12,940
Speaker 5: that we all talk about that I think people are

2145
01:30:12,979 --> 01:30:16,260
Speaker 5: genuinely interested in, but the more they get involved... And

2146
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,780
Speaker 5: people like to argue, oh, political correctness. Oh, now we

2147
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,860
Speaker 5: have to say sex worker. Oh, now we can't say prostitute.

2148
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: But if you think about it in that way, that

2149
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,130
Speaker 3: the more people get trained to think of these victims

2150
01:30:28,490 --> 01:30:31,270
Speaker 3: as human fucking beings whose murders need to get solved.

2151
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:35,370
Speaker 3: Not only 100% for the fact that their lives mattered,

2152
01:30:35,710 --> 01:30:39,340
Speaker 3: but also because there is a fucking lunatic killing them,

2153
01:30:39,460 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 3: targeting them and killing them. Like, just the concept has

2154
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,440
Speaker 3: to change so that these creeps can get caught.

2155
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:49,270
Speaker 2: It doesn't come with the job that you might get killed.

2156
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:52,670
Speaker 2: There are murderers who take advantage of people who are...

2157
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:55,970
Speaker 2: You know, one would say the most fucking vulnerable. Yes.

2158
01:30:56,229 --> 01:31:00,030
Speaker 2: And and and know that nobody cares as a society.

2159
01:31:00,050 --> 01:31:02,189
Speaker 2: We're trained not to give a shit because of words

2160
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:05,380
Speaker 2: like prostitute and hooker and not saying sex worker and.

2161
01:31:05,340 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 5: Not saying fucking victim.

2162
01:31:06,939 --> 01:31:07,179
Speaker 2: Right.

2163
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,250
Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, we know everything. Murderinos are on the fucking

2164
01:31:11,310 --> 01:31:12,550
Speaker 5: up and up. They really are.

2165
01:31:12,689 --> 01:31:15,730
Speaker 3: And things are absolutely changing quicker than we could know.

2166
01:31:15,810 --> 01:31:16,250
Speaker 2: Definitely.

2167
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:18,410
Speaker 5: Yeah. So she comes back to work.

2168
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:20,650
Speaker 2: Detective Lopez comes back to work on a contract basis

2169
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,059
Speaker 2: to investigate the murders, partly because they realize how close

2170
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:29,300
Speaker 2: her relationships are with the victim's families, who are so

2171
01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:32,189
Speaker 2: thankful that she's, you know, cared so much and kept

2172
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:35,060
Speaker 2: in touch with them and you know, she's like Aaron Brockovich.

2173
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:36,460
Speaker 5: She's Aaron fucking Brockovich.

2174
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:36,820
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2175
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,520
Speaker 5: They understand. She understands them.

2176
01:31:39,180 --> 01:31:42,900
Speaker 2: Um, and just to end about the victims and how

2177
01:31:42,939 --> 01:31:45,250
Speaker 2: they are deemed less important by society due to their

2178
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:50,650
Speaker 2: lifestyles in this, uh, 2020 episode to our friend, David Mankiewicz,

2179
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:55,330
Speaker 2: you old so-and-so. Ida Lopez says their soul is no

2180
01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:58,350
Speaker 2: different than mine and they're not any less important to God.

2181
01:31:58,370 --> 01:32:00,570
Speaker 5: Hell yes, Ida. Ida.

2182
01:32:01,330 --> 01:32:05,299
Speaker 2: So that's the fucking West Mesa bone collector.

2183
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 5: Unbelievable. Yeah. I also just thought of this, too. A

2184
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:12,300
Speaker 5: couple of people have tweeted us at us about this. Also,

2185
01:32:12,340 --> 01:32:14,110
Speaker 5: Dave Anthony of.

2186
01:32:15,970 --> 01:32:16,410
Speaker 2: The dollop.

2187
01:32:16,750 --> 01:32:19,969
Speaker 5: Thank you. Oh, no. Sorry, Dave. Of the dollop also

2188
01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:21,730
Speaker 5: tweeted at me about this. Yeah.

2189
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:25,430
Speaker 3: Trump recently, and this is going to go under the

2190
01:32:25,490 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 3: fucking carpet rug because our democracy is imploding. And so

2191
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,500
Speaker 3: there's lots of other things that keep becoming more important.

2192
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,660
Speaker 3: But recently, Trump passed a law.

2193
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:42,630
Speaker 5: That is incredibly dangerous for sex workers saying that they

2194
01:32:42,689 --> 01:32:45,890
Speaker 5: cannot advertise online. Oh, right. And the back page, they

2195
01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:48,570
Speaker 5: can't back page it. They can't do, um, there's a

2196
01:32:48,630 --> 01:32:49,210
Speaker 5: name for this.

2197
01:32:49,810 --> 01:32:52,729
Speaker 3: Everybody should look it up, but it is, uh, we've,

2198
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:55,490
Speaker 3: we've been, I was contacted or like tweeted out by

2199
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 3: a couple of people talking about how bringing this law

2200
01:32:59,460 --> 01:33:02,100
Speaker 3: and needing to overturn this law is really important because

2201
01:33:02,180 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 3: basically if sex workers can't ensure their own safety by

2202
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 3: knowing that the people that they're doing business with, knowing

2203
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:12,339
Speaker 3: their names, getting credit card numbers, doing.

2204
01:33:12,180 --> 01:33:14,300
Speaker 5: All that stuff. Even a phone number, tracing their phone number.

2205
01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:14,740
Speaker 2: Exactly.

2206
01:33:14,860 --> 01:33:17,939
Speaker 5: It forces them back onto the street. Right.

2207
01:33:18,140 --> 01:33:22,620
Speaker 3: And it puts everybody in a fucking huge danger. And

2208
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:27,290
Speaker 3: Trump called it, it's the Allow States and Victims to

2209
01:33:27,370 --> 01:33:34,050
Speaker 3: Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act, FOSTA, F-O-S-T-A. And it says

2210
01:33:34,110 --> 01:33:37,790
Speaker 3: it aims to fight sex trafficking by reducing legal protections

2211
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 3: for online platforms. And it got passed by an overwhelming majority.

2212
01:33:44,460 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 3: But privacy and civil liberty advocates say it's a fatally

2213
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:51,980
Speaker 3: flawed bill that hurts small online communities. And sex workers

2214
01:33:52,020 --> 01:33:54,540
Speaker 3: say it's going to make them less safe because they

2215
01:33:54,580 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 3: have to go offline to do business.

2216
01:33:55,820 --> 01:33:56,820
Speaker 2: Listen to the sex workers.

2217
01:33:56,860 --> 01:34:00,549
Speaker 5: They'll tell you what is right for them.

2218
01:34:02,930 --> 01:34:05,950
Speaker 3: The irony of that man passing a bill like this

2219
01:34:06,010 --> 01:34:08,530
Speaker 3: and pretending that he gives a single shit about sex

2220
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:13,049
Speaker 3: trafficking and sex workers and women in this kind of community.

2221
01:34:13,290 --> 01:34:13,830
Speaker 5: Just please.

2222
01:34:13,870 --> 01:34:16,310
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about sex, about sex trafficking. That

2223
01:34:16,350 --> 01:34:18,790
Speaker 2: is a whole different issue that we a hundred percent

2224
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:22,229
Speaker 2: know is a big problem. It needs to be addressed.

2225
01:34:22,450 --> 01:34:25,700
Speaker 5: Everything we talk about has ripples.

2226
01:34:25,460 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 3: And rings of bigger issues, but I didn't want Since

2227
01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:31,580
Speaker 3: we're basically exactly talking about this, I don't want to

2228
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 3: talk about this, first of all, because I hate when

2229
01:34:34,140 --> 01:34:36,460
Speaker 3: we talk about things and I only know half about it.

2230
01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:39,330
Speaker 3: But I think it's important to mention this now, where

2231
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:41,230
Speaker 3: if this is a concern of yours in any way,

2232
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:45,950
Speaker 3: you should absolutely look up F-O-S-T-A, the FOSTA bill, and

2233
01:34:46,250 --> 01:34:49,520
Speaker 3: do what you can to fight against it because it's incredibly.

2234
01:34:48,939 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 5: Dangerous for sex workers.

2235
01:34:49,860 --> 01:34:50,820
Speaker 2: That's great. I'm glad you did that.

2236
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,380
Speaker 5: Thank you.

2237
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 3: And thanks, Dave Anthony, because he, of course, he texted it. uh,

2238
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 3: texted to me about it at like eight in the

2239
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 3: morning where I was just like, Dave, I'm so glad

2240
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:01,700
Speaker 3: you're on the front lines for us.

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01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,490
Speaker 2: He should go to, he did not go to bed

2242
01:35:03,530 --> 01:35:04,170
Speaker 2: the night before.

2243
01:35:04,210 --> 01:35:04,889
Speaker 5: I know it.

2244
01:35:04,910 --> 01:35:08,130
Speaker 3: He's just, he's up writing a new doll up about,

2245
01:35:08,290 --> 01:35:10,750
Speaker 3: you know, that's right.

2246
01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 5: Yes. Okay, we're back. Do you have updates for this case?

2247
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 4: I do, actually.

2248
01:35:19,020 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 2: On June 27, 2020, a one-acre park named Women's Memorial

2249
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,860
Speaker 2: Park was opened by state officials on the site where

2250
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 2: the bodies were found as a way to honor the

2251
01:35:28,620 --> 01:35:32,890
Speaker 2: women and their families. There is still a $ 100, 000 reward

2252
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:34,950
Speaker 2: for anyone who has tips that could lead to an

2253
01:35:34,990 --> 01:35:36,750
Speaker 2: arrest and conviction for this case.

2254
01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:37,189
Speaker 5: I just.

2255
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:39,269
Speaker 4: This.

2256
01:35:39,470 --> 01:35:41,590
Speaker 2: Whatever monster is out there who did these things just

2257
01:35:41,710 --> 01:35:42,590
Speaker 2: needs to be caught.

2258
01:35:42,610 --> 01:35:43,930
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's so scary.

2259
01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:44,010
Speaker 1: So.

2260
01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:46,930
Speaker 5: Now it's time to get into the fucking hoorays.

2261
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:54,100
Speaker 2: That was great.

2262
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,220
Speaker 5: And that's the cue. Elvis' meow is the cue. To

2263
01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:58,380
Speaker 5: go into fucking hooray.

2264
01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:59,259
Speaker 2: To fucking hooray.

2265
01:35:59,380 --> 01:36:03,190
Speaker 5: That was Elvis' small hooray. It's like a doorbell now.

2266
01:36:03,229 --> 01:36:03,790
Speaker 5: Ding dong.

2267
01:36:04,030 --> 01:36:04,099
Speaker 2: Oh.

2268
01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:07,850
Speaker 5: Who's there? Oh, it's time, Elvis. Elvis is like, shut up. Oh,

2269
01:36:07,890 --> 01:36:08,950
Speaker 5: the hooray cat's here.

2270
01:36:09,010 --> 01:36:13,130
Speaker 2: The hooray cat's here. So we both have a lighthearted,

2271
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:15,229
Speaker 2: dumb one. And then I have a sweet one.

2272
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:16,910
Speaker 5: OK, cool. That actually has to do with Elvis.

2273
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:17,330
Speaker 4: OK.

2274
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:19,429
Speaker 5: So you want to go first? Sure.

2275
01:36:19,650 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 3: My hooray is for this week. One is it was

2276
01:36:26,540 --> 01:36:29,320
Speaker 3: a very difficult week in lots of different ways. And

2277
01:36:29,660 --> 01:36:32,820
Speaker 3: I was spending a lot of time in the morning

2278
01:36:32,860 --> 01:36:33,860
Speaker 3: between like 7 a.m.

2279
01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:39,310
Speaker 5: And 9 a.m. rattled with anxiety, stress, and rage. We've

2280
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:41,189
Speaker 5: got a lot going on right now.

2281
01:36:41,290 --> 01:36:45,540
Speaker 3: So one of the mornings— Um, I'd had dinner with

2282
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:50,019
Speaker 3: Lizzie Cooperman who was talking about the, um, meditation classes

2283
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:52,610
Speaker 3: that she's taking and how much she loves it.

2284
01:36:52,630 --> 01:36:57,330
Speaker 5: She's so spiritual. She's very spiritually, she's universally tapped in. Okay.

2285
01:36:57,390 --> 01:36:57,769
Speaker 4: That's enough.

2286
01:36:58,110 --> 01:37:00,590
Speaker 3: And I was, so she put it in my head.

2287
01:37:00,990 --> 01:37:03,480
Speaker 3: I'd taken classes about it and stuff, but then, so

2288
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 3: I was watching, um, This show.

2289
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 5: Ancient Aliens, which is one of my faves.

2290
01:37:08,540 --> 01:37:12,860
Speaker 3: And it was talking about how meditation allows your subconscious

2291
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:17,290
Speaker 3: brain to access the Akashic record, which is everything that's

2292
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:20,570
Speaker 3: ever happened in humanity ever. And when you can tap

2293
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 3: into that, you can tap into creativity. And that's how

2294
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:26,100
Speaker 3: They were talking about spontaneous ideas, how like Alexander Graham

2295
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,380
Speaker 3: Bell submitted the patent for the telephone and the same

2296
01:37:29,420 --> 01:37:32,520
Speaker 3: day someone else submitted the exact same patent. And there's

2297
01:37:32,660 --> 01:37:34,220
Speaker 3: all the, they have all the, you have to watch

2298
01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:35,140
Speaker 3: this episode of Ancient Aliens.

2299
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 4: Dude, what's it called?

2300
01:37:35,700 --> 01:37:37,340
Speaker 5: I want to watch it so bad.

2301
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 3: It might be called spontaneous inventions or something like that.

2302
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:45,950
Speaker 3: But it basically, the theory, their theory, ancient, ancient astronaut

2303
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:51,950
Speaker 3: theorists suggest that that when you rest your brain and

2304
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:54,260
Speaker 3: let your subconscious, and they showed a guy in an

2305
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 3: MRI doing this, when your brain rests and you go blank.

2306
01:37:58,580 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 3: your unconscious becomes alive and starts actually, like, doing stuff.

2307
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:07,340
Speaker 2: And because we're fucking AI, we have all the history

2308
01:38:07,380 --> 01:38:09,580
Speaker 2: already downloaded. We just don't ever tap into it. Like,

2309
01:38:09,620 --> 01:38:10,519
Speaker 2: it's already all there.

2310
01:38:10,660 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 5: Yes.

2311
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: I've got the biggest fucking conspiracy theory boner right now.

2312
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:14,260
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2313
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 3: Also, they showed people who got head injuries, and then

2314
01:38:17,380 --> 01:38:19,520
Speaker 3: when they came out of the hospital, like, one guy

2315
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,930
Speaker 3: became a concert pianist, and he'd never taken a lesson. Um,

2316
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:25,229
Speaker 3: there was a guy who could, who could immediately draw

2317
01:38:25,630 --> 01:38:30,420
Speaker 3: these insane, he saw mathematical, um, equations everywhere and could

2318
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,380
Speaker 3: see whatever, what like the diameter was of everything.

2319
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,420
Speaker 5: It's so crazy. So anyway, because of all those things,

2320
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:37,340
Speaker 5: I started.

2321
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 3: Meditating and I've only done it for two days, but

2322
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 3: it's really great. And I've been using an app called

2323
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 3: the insight timer.

2324
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 5: I'm downloading it.

2325
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:49,809
Speaker 3: It I've done two 10-minute meditations. I normally go super

2326
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:52,410
Speaker 3: crazy about minute four, and I have to get up

2327
01:38:52,450 --> 01:38:53,010
Speaker 3: and walk away.

2328
01:38:53,650 --> 01:38:56,110
Speaker 5: But if you start with guided meditation... Yeah, I.

2329
01:38:56,050 --> 01:38:56,689
Speaker 2: Have to do guided.

2330
01:38:56,729 --> 01:38:57,570
Speaker 5: I'm just bananas.

2331
01:38:57,710 --> 01:39:00,780
Speaker 3: Then you're listening, and that's the focus. You don't have

2332
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,900
Speaker 3: to sit there going, stop talking to yourself and all

2333
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 3: that shit that makes you crazy.

2334
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,620
Speaker 5: And you can kind of dip into it. And they

2335
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:11,889
Speaker 5: have guided meditations about everything, like a million things. Guys

2336
01:39:11,900 --> 01:39:14,769
Speaker 5: with British accents. Anyway, so the inside timer is awesome.

2337
01:39:14,850 --> 01:39:17,170
Speaker 5: Paul Onions does one. That's what I did this morning.

2338
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:18,590
Speaker 5: That's awesome. It was really good.

2339
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:22,270
Speaker 3: But the other thing that's the second piece to that

2340
01:39:22,350 --> 01:39:25,610
Speaker 3: in my relaxation, I found this show and I'd already

2341
01:39:25,670 --> 01:39:28,729
Speaker 3: heard of it called, it's a British series from I

2342
01:39:28,970 --> 01:39:31,610
Speaker 3: think the late 90s or maybe the 2000s called The

2343
01:39:31,689 --> 01:39:33,350
Speaker 3: Royal Family, R-O-Y Family.

2344
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:35,410
Speaker 5: A-L-E.

2345
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:41,290
Speaker 3: And it is a sitcom from England just about this

2346
01:39:41,470 --> 01:39:42,630
Speaker 3: plain old family.

2347
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:44,710
Speaker 5: I can't remember where they live. They don't really talk

2348
01:39:44,729 --> 01:39:47,469
Speaker 5: about it that much. But it's like a half hour play.

2349
01:39:47,490 --> 01:39:51,370
Speaker 3: And it is really basic and it's very quiet and

2350
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:55,180
Speaker 3: it's very real. And it's like it's a big old

2351
01:39:55,260 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 3: high backed couch. And then the dad's chair pulled up

2352
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:59,100
Speaker 3: real close.

2353
01:39:58,860 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 5: To the TV. So the entire thing takes place while

2354
01:40:01,780 --> 01:40:03,180
Speaker 5: the family watches TV together.

2355
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:03,440
Speaker 2: Shut up.

2356
01:40:03,939 --> 01:40:05,139
Speaker 5: And it is so funny.

2357
01:40:05,220 --> 01:40:07,270
Speaker 3: And the reason I brought up the tea lunch thing

2358
01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:09,930
Speaker 3: is because the mom, whoever comes into the house, sits

2359
01:40:09,950 --> 01:40:11,590
Speaker 3: down on the couch and starts watching TV with them.

2360
01:40:11,950 --> 01:40:15,010
Speaker 5: And then she'll go, did you have your tea? And

2361
01:40:15,050 --> 01:40:18,259
Speaker 5: then they'll go, yeah. And then she'll go, what'd you have?

2362
01:40:18,460 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 5: And then they'll describe what they had. So, like, people

2363
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,059
Speaker 5: are having, like... Corned beef hash and all these things

2364
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:27,059
Speaker 5: that you maybe go, what's fucking tea? It must be lunch.

2365
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,480
Speaker 2: I think it's, okay. I think it's like the brunch.

2366
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,490
Speaker 2: I think it's brunch, but between dinner, lunch and dinner.

2367
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:33,230
Speaker 5: It's second lunch?

2368
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:33,610
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

2369
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:36,410
Speaker 5: Maybe. Let's find out. Okay, but we will find out. Oh,

2370
01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:36,790
Speaker 5: we will.

2371
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:39,229
Speaker 3: But if you, here's why I love the show. As

2372
01:40:39,290 --> 01:40:41,430
Speaker 3: opposed to murder, we know we need to take a

2373
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:44,540
Speaker 3: break sometimes. Also sometimes- Oh, wait, I'm wrong.

2374
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:45,100
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

2375
01:40:45,300 --> 01:40:47,260
Speaker 2: They have tea and then they go, what'd you have

2376
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 2: for pudding?

2377
01:40:47,860 --> 01:40:49,700
Speaker 5: Okay. That's right. Pudding's dessert.

2378
01:40:49,740 --> 01:40:50,219
Speaker 3: Yes.

2379
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:50,700
Speaker 2: That's right.

2380
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 4: Okay.

2381
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:52,420
Speaker 5: They talk about that on here. Okay.

2382
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,939
Speaker 3: Because she said, who wants pudding one time? And then

2383
01:40:54,979 --> 01:40:57,700
Speaker 3: she served up fruit cocktail.

2384
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: Right.

2385
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:59,380
Speaker 5: And I was like, what is happening?

2386
01:40:59,660 --> 01:41:03,220
Speaker 3: But anyway, if you want to relax, if you're like a,

2387
01:41:03,620 --> 01:41:05,189
Speaker 3: what do.

2388
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:05,450
Speaker 2: You call it?

2389
01:41:05,710 --> 01:41:09,090
Speaker 5: A Brito-phile. Oh, yeah. An Anglo-phile.

2390
01:41:09,150 --> 01:41:09,309
Speaker 2: Right.

2391
01:41:11,210 --> 01:41:13,510
Speaker 3: And it's like you went and sat in a living

2392
01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:16,590
Speaker 3: room with this family and they're hilarious and they're super mean.

2393
01:41:16,630 --> 01:41:18,370
Speaker 3: The youngest son, they keep making him get up and

2394
01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:21,130
Speaker 3: make tea or like they're like, Antony, go get the thing.

2395
01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:22,890
Speaker 5: And he's always mad. He's like a teenager.

2396
01:41:22,910 --> 01:41:26,339
Speaker 3: It's it's just a very realistic family dynamic.

2397
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 5: And it's very quiet. Everyone talks very quietly. So it's

2398
01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:33,900
Speaker 5: really relaxing. It's called The Royal Family and it's on Netflix.

2399
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 5: I love it. I'm going to do both those things. Okay.

2400
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,220
Speaker 3: Give it a try and then we'll meet back here

2401
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 3: and talk about it. Let's just change this podcast. So

2402
01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 3: what'd you have for tea?

2403
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh my God.

2404
01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:45,860
Speaker 5: Corned beef. Every day.

2405
01:41:46,140 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 3: Also, just the way she asked the question, it's that

2406
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:51,500
Speaker 3: great actress. You've seen this British actress in a million things.

2407
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:54,500
Speaker 5: She's so fucking good. in its part, but it is

2408
01:41:54,540 --> 01:41:56,460
Speaker 5: that thing where it's like, that's what my family's like.

2409
01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 2: I think they like to know too. I think that

2410
01:41:58,540 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 2: they always ask you what you.

2411
01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 5: Had for tea.

2412
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:00,620
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2413
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:02,380
Speaker 3: They want to know what, what it's like saying, what

2414
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,620
Speaker 3: have you been doing? But being real specific and then

2415
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,150
Speaker 3: being like, oh, I had this, that pork chop sounds good.

2416
01:42:08,210 --> 01:42:10,890
Speaker 5: Like it So funny and real. I love it. Tell

2417
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:13,190
Speaker 5: us what you had for tea, everyone. Tell us what

2418
01:42:13,210 --> 01:42:14,470
Speaker 5: you had for tea. When you find out what it is.

2419
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:17,460
Speaker 2: My boring one, my ding dong one, you know, I

2420
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,060
Speaker 2: fucking hate movies and I'm just like the biggest critic

2421
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:20,700
Speaker 2: and I hate everything.

2422
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:20,940
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2423
01:42:21,220 --> 01:42:23,730
Speaker 2: I had found so much joy. Vince and I watched

2424
01:42:23,770 --> 01:42:26,810
Speaker 2: it together and he also doesn't. Not as bad as me,

2425
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:28,390
Speaker 2: but isn't a movie guy.

2426
01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:32,130
Speaker 5: Jumanji was so enjoyable. And you told me, we talked

2427
01:42:32,170 --> 01:42:32,410
Speaker 5: about it.

2428
01:42:32,410 --> 01:42:34,380
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I'll watch it. Fine.

2429
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:38,099
Speaker 5: What a little joy of a movie. I laughed so

2430
01:42:38,140 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 5: hard I cried. It was so fun. The Rock is

2431
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 5: just an angel, baby.

2432
01:42:42,380 --> 01:42:44,980
Speaker 2: The lovely girl. girl in it it was so i

2433
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:46,939
Speaker 2: want her fucking hair she was like such.

2434
01:42:46,820 --> 01:42:49,550
Speaker 3: A badass karen her name is karen something and she

2435
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 3: was a star on like one of the more recent.

2436
01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:54,470
Speaker 2: Doctor who series that's right and red hair karen all

2437
01:42:54,510 --> 01:42:56,769
Speaker 2: of them everyone was just the best i loved.

2438
01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:59,150
Speaker 5: It jack black playing a teenage girl.

2439
01:42:58,950 --> 01:43:01,809
Speaker 2: That's right oh i think we you mentioned it last

2440
01:43:01,870 --> 01:43:04,050
Speaker 2: episode did i and i was like did you text

2441
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:05,210
Speaker 2: him and tell him how great he was and you

2442
01:43:05,229 --> 01:43:07,630
Speaker 2: were like no we're not that kind of friend he's

2443
01:43:07,689 --> 01:43:09,770
Speaker 2: a wife But you agree.

2444
01:43:09,850 --> 01:43:12,190
Speaker 5: He was great. It's so good.

2445
01:43:12,450 --> 01:43:16,300
Speaker 2: It's really enjoyable. As someone who hates everything, it made

2446
01:43:16,340 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 2: me really happy. It makes me like it more when

2447
01:43:18,380 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 2: I don't hate it because I fucking hate everything.

2448
01:43:20,900 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 5: The Shape of Water. What are you talking about?

2449
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 2: That was the most atrocious, weird fucking bestiality movie I've

2450
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 2: ever seen.

2451
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:32,770
Speaker 3: My thing was, and my friend, the most hilarious comedian,

2452
01:43:32,850 --> 01:43:34,929
Speaker 3: Naomi Ekpergen, she goes.

2453
01:43:36,970 --> 01:43:39,469
Speaker 3: So she just falls in love with him automatically. What's

2454
01:43:39,530 --> 01:43:44,350
Speaker 3: the backstory? Is he from a river? And she wasn't

2455
01:43:44,370 --> 01:43:46,610
Speaker 3: trying to be funny. She was so pissed off. He

2456
01:43:46,650 --> 01:43:47,650
Speaker 3: also didn't hit on her.

2457
01:43:47,710 --> 01:43:51,969
Speaker 2: He moved her tank top sleeve, which he doesn't understand

2458
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:54,850
Speaker 2: what that is. And then she fucking takes advantage of him.

2459
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:56,550
Speaker 5: I thought it was a little bit, I just was

2460
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:57,030
Speaker 5: really upset.

2461
01:43:57,170 --> 01:43:59,849
Speaker 3: It's like so many rom-coms where it's like, you don't

2462
01:43:59,950 --> 01:44:01,690
Speaker 3: know why they like each other.

2463
01:44:01,770 --> 01:44:03,910
Speaker 5: So why is this the great love of all time?

2464
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:06,939
Speaker 5: So why do I care? Oh, I did like Lady Bird. Actually,

2465
01:44:06,979 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 5: I should go ahead.

2466
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:07,980
Speaker 2: And say that too.

2467
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,460
Speaker 5: I thought that was a really, really good movie.

2468
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:09,939
Speaker 2: So good.

2469
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,580
Speaker 5: The sweet thing, I'm going to leave y'all on a sad,

2470
01:44:13,060 --> 01:44:13,540
Speaker 5: happy note.

2471
01:44:13,939 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 4: Okay.

2472
01:44:14,220 --> 01:44:20,229
Speaker 2: There's someone in the My Favorite Murder Facebook, which is now,

2473
01:44:20,270 --> 01:44:22,349
Speaker 2: you can now go to the, we have a fan

2474
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:25,310
Speaker 2: cult on myfavoritemurder.com. You can join our fan cult. There's

2475
01:44:25,470 --> 01:44:30,130
Speaker 2: forums and shit you can talk about stuff. Her name's Amy.

2476
01:44:30,250 --> 01:44:31,990
Speaker 2: I don't think she wants me to say her last name,

2477
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:34,710
Speaker 2: so I don't want to. Her name's Amy and she

2478
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 2: wrote this last week. I drive my daughter three and

2479
01:44:38,620 --> 01:44:41,219
Speaker 2: a half to four hours twice a week to speech therapy.

2480
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,340
Speaker 5: Most of my commute is accompanied by Georgia and Karen.

2481
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 4: Oh, no.

2482
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:48,140
Speaker 2: As the Minnesota ended today, my three-year-old yelled from the.

2483
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 5: Backseat, Elvis, I love him. He's my Elvis.

2484
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 2: Elvis.

2485
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:54,340
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2486
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,970
Speaker 2: Okay, good, because you were looking at me. Definitely a

2487
01:44:58,010 --> 01:45:01,670
Speaker 2: heartfelt moment. We thought talking might never come with her disorder,

2488
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 2: but even sweeter that she loves Elvis. So she doesn't

2489
01:45:06,180 --> 01:45:07,660
Speaker 2: speak and she yelled that.

2490
01:45:08,060 --> 01:45:09,350
Speaker 5: Okay, sorry.

2491
01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:14,970
Speaker 3: I was confused because I pictured that the speech therapy

2492
01:45:15,150 --> 01:45:17,810
Speaker 3: child would be older. Like for some reason I cast

2493
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:20,389
Speaker 3: her as a 10-year-old.

2494
01:45:20,729 --> 01:45:22,630
Speaker 5: So when you said the three-year-old, then I was like, so...

2495
01:45:24,060 --> 01:45:25,150
Speaker 5: It's an unspeaking.

2496
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:28,070
Speaker 2: We thought talking might never come with her disorder, but

2497
01:45:28,090 --> 01:45:30,870
Speaker 2: even sweeter that she loves Elvis and then the emoji

2498
01:45:30,910 --> 01:45:32,130
Speaker 2: cat with hearts in its eyes.

2499
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:35,070
Speaker 5: And she yelled about it. Do it.

2500
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:38,490
Speaker 2: Do you know how much I love this cat?

2501
01:45:38,810 --> 01:45:41,590
Speaker 5: Yes, I know actually exactly how much you love that cat.

2502
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,220
Speaker 2: So knowing that means like so much. Like that it's

2503
01:45:45,260 --> 01:45:46,380
Speaker 2: Elvis makes me so happy.

2504
01:45:46,420 --> 01:45:48,620
Speaker 5: Well, now you know there's a three-year-old that loves your

2505
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 5: cat as much as you do. He loves you too, sweetie.

2506
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 5: He is a good boy. He's such a good boy.

2507
01:45:55,180 --> 01:45:59,900
Speaker 5: He knows it. He's like, I'm having a certain feeling.

2508
01:45:59,930 --> 01:46:02,550
Speaker 5: I can tell something's about to happen. He fucking knows

2509
01:46:02,570 --> 01:46:04,890
Speaker 5: when we've blathered on too long. Yeah, he's like, we're

2510
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:06,710
Speaker 5: now at the seven-hour mark.

2511
01:46:06,770 --> 01:46:07,469
Speaker 2: Cut it, ladies.

2512
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 4: Okay, we're back.

2513
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:16,229
Speaker 5: That's quite a set of hoorays. Just all over the map.

2514
01:46:16,780 --> 01:46:18,590
Speaker 4: Did we drink that black coffee that day? I bet

2515
01:46:18,650 --> 01:46:20,550
Speaker 4: we did. I bet I had a little sip, too.

2516
01:46:20,670 --> 01:46:21,849
Speaker 5: You had a little sippy sip? Yeah.

2517
01:46:22,430 --> 01:46:26,930
Speaker 3: Okay, so this episode was originally entitled Realities Cancelled. If

2518
01:46:26,970 --> 01:46:29,750
Speaker 3: we were naming it today, maybe we would call it.

2519
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:32,469
Speaker 4: Trick Ankles.

2520
01:46:33,170 --> 01:46:34,969
Speaker 5: Still true. I can only wear flats.

2521
01:46:35,610 --> 01:46:36,229
Speaker 4: I love that.

2522
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:39,370
Speaker 5: Well, Georgia did one of her classic puns.

2523
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:43,620
Speaker 3: Instead of saying paper mache, you said paper moth-shay because

2524
01:46:43,700 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 3: it was one of the threats.

2525
01:46:44,780 --> 01:46:47,460
Speaker 4: Let's see, the pun cult, of course.

2526
01:46:47,780 --> 01:46:51,939
Speaker 5: Also Passover egg mistakes. That's a good one. Well, I mean,

2527
01:46:52,110 --> 01:46:55,270
Speaker 5: what a great episode. Yeah. This is, that's this week's

2528
01:46:55,310 --> 01:46:56,769
Speaker 5: episode of Rewind. It's that easy.

2529
01:46:56,830 --> 01:47:00,349
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to this, the episode of the episode.

2530
01:47:00,630 --> 01:47:00,910
Speaker 5: Yes.

2531
01:47:00,970 --> 01:47:01,269
Speaker 4: You guys.

2532
01:47:01,510 --> 01:47:03,390
Speaker 5: And the commentary on the episode of the episode.

2533
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:06,689
Speaker 4: That's right. We'll say goodbye from 2018.

2534
01:47:09,110 --> 01:47:11,210
Speaker 5: Well, thanks you guys for listening this week. Thank you

2535
01:47:11,229 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 5: for listening. If you listen, you guys are the best. Look.

2536
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:17,260
Speaker 2: Look and listen.

2537
01:47:17,310 --> 01:47:19,520
Speaker 5: We love you. Thank you. So stay sexy. And don't

2538
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:20,260
Speaker 5: get murdered.

2539
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:20,349
Speaker 4: Bye.

2540
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:21,660
Speaker 5: Bye.

2541
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:22,559
Speaker 4: Elvis, you want a cookie?