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Speaker 1: It is Monday, October seventh, twenty nineteen, and it is

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. Hi, donks, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program,

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Speaker 1: and do my eyes deceive me? The iceman is here,

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Speaker 1: Chuck Lindenhall, Hot, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: What's up man? The old team back together?

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Speaker 1: The old team, well to the only part of the

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Speaker 1: team that matters, that's right, slapstick. Brian Campbell is on vacation,

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Speaker 1: probably some all inclusive resorts, sneezing on the buffet, which

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Speaker 1: is what his favorite thing to do is. But you

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Speaker 1: are here, my friend. You did not go to Australia.

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Speaker 2: Album imagine not No, thank god?

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Speaker 1: I think I just before the show, I saw a

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Speaker 1: tweet from Ben Folks being like I just landed in America.

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Speaker 2: Saw the same thing from John Anick Man. I'm like, no, thanks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how Anik does it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he does it, but you know

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Speaker 1: I know how we do it the best way possible.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to it on today's show,

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Speaker 1: so obviously YOUFC two forty three, Triple dre Triple G, Chip,

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Speaker 1: Triple G, Deavin Chenko and a little pot pourri of

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Speaker 1: other combat sports. Top is ready to get going.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. So first order of business,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break this down into different pieces. Let's go

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Speaker 1: piece by piece. The first one is this, we have

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Speaker 1: a new middleweight champion, ladies and gentlemen. Israel Atasanya defeats

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Speaker 1: via Ko Robert Whitaker in the second round of UFC

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Speaker 1: two forty three in front of their putitive largest crowd

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Speaker 1: ever fifty seven thousand. Jock how they announced that. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's a specific number and a specific number, and a

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Speaker 1: specific number, and then just a little bit bigger non

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Speaker 1: specific number in any of it they did. It was

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Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand and some change. And it was an

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Speaker 1: unbelievable performance by Israel Attasania. He look. I said this

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Chuck. It was one of his easier fights.

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Speaker 1: Which isn't to say that Whittaker is an easy fight,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of like losing around or getting hurt,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was not one of those things. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this is where I want to start the show. Biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaway from the fight for me, it is merely that

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Speaker 1: is we'll talk about his ascendancy and comparisons to other

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Speaker 1: greats who have made their way through the ranks. But

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Speaker 1: just as someone who watches this guy, it's just you

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Speaker 1: just have to marvel his athleticism and his body control.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not Anderson Silva, but he feels like

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Speaker 1: the prototype of what Anderson Silva meant to us. Remember

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Speaker 1: when Anderson Silva fought Forced Griffin and he was ducking

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Speaker 1: and dodge and everyone called it the matrix. Where here

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Speaker 1: he is leaning and throwing hooks and they're putting away,

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Speaker 1: not some chump Robert Whittaker who was the champion. It

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Speaker 1: was remarkable to watch a guy like this, and then

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Speaker 1: he had his whole dance routine. It is just nice

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Speaker 1: to see a young athlete in their prime with this

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Speaker 1: kind of physicality who can be not not a new

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Speaker 1: Anderson Silva, but again to our new generation, a new

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Speaker 1: version of what that meant to me.

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Speaker 3: Man, it was almost it was like a coming of

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Speaker 3: age in a strange sense, Like here's a guy who plans,

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Speaker 3: first of all, to even plan that kind of dance

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Speaker 3: routine in a situation where you're going out in the

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Speaker 3: biggest fight of your career like that, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you could you could be roundly mocked if that goes

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Speaker 3: hey wire right off the bat, But he goes and

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Speaker 3: does that. He was great all week. I think he

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Speaker 3: met every media obligation. You know, he was doing all that.

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Speaker 3: So he's very good up front of a fight. But

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Speaker 3: he gets in there and I feel like he's one

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Speaker 3: of those guys who in the escalation of the moment,

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Speaker 3: he raises the bar for himself in each instance, knowing

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Speaker 3: that he's going to clear it, and it's him showing

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Speaker 3: the world when he goes in there and he does

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Speaker 3: something like this. I think there was a lot more

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Speaker 3: doubt on this fight, obviously because of Robert Whitaker. There

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Speaker 3: was a lot of talk about hey man, both those

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Speaker 3: guys in their previous fights were willing to die. That

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Speaker 3: collide into this fight, and that seemed like it could

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Speaker 3: be you're watching the most brute It could turn into

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Speaker 3: a very brutal affair.

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Speaker 2: He didn't make it that way.

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Speaker 3: He made it a showcase for himself against a guy

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Speaker 3: to me, Man, I was like I'm in a very

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Speaker 3: strange way. I've never seen a more meteoric rise to

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Speaker 3: Including all the guys that you know, all the comparisons

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Speaker 3: you want to make to me, that was that big

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Speaker 1: Jill Sono made a point, had a great video over

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Speaker 1: the weekend saying, you know, this guy killed all three things.

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Speaker 1: He had the intro which you alluded to, then the

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Speaker 1: fight itself, and then he gets on the microphone already

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Speaker 1: setting up the fight against Boheshinmia, and now we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that a little bit later. I'd actually say, chill

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Speaker 1: the while that's completely correct, I would use your argument

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Speaker 1: a little bit and expand that in every phase of

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Speaker 1: calling into radio shows, doing fan q and as, signing autographs, whatever,

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Speaker 1: bringing his own team to make a show about him

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Speaker 1: for a YouTube series, in every different version of what

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Speaker 1: a fighter is supposed to do to contribute to their

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Speaker 1: own well being, to their own popularity, to their own

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Speaker 1: ability to fight, as well as the UFC's needs. He

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Speaker 1: kills it every time. Every time he kills it. And

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Speaker 1: you also noted not merely did he kill it, but

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Speaker 1: some of this he brought on himself. You know, they

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Speaker 1: announced his name, he got booed. Yeah. Now again he

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Speaker 1: had poked the bear a little bit with the Australian

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, to have the presence of

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Speaker 1: to have the presence of mind to say what you

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Speaker 1: It's Anderson Silva never did that. He was always kind

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Speaker 1: of quiet and didn't say anything in the media. This

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Speaker 3: Do you get the sense he's living something he's already

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Speaker 3: thought through, Like he's already imagined every scenario and therefore

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Speaker 3: he's only enacting exactly what he envisioned would happen. I

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Speaker 3: get the sense that he does that. He's that kind

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Speaker 3: That's what it seems like he does to me.

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Speaker 3: You know, you go back to his first fight, the

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Speaker 3: about him coming in to the UFC hit from his

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Speaker 3: kick bossing career. It told me that this guy already

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Speaker 3: and then here we are, what twenty months later, and

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Speaker 3: he's accomplished this. I feel like he's one of those

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Speaker 3: thing left for him to do is to go out

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Speaker 2: That's that IT factor.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's where the it factor comes in,

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Speaker 3: is when people can't relate to the magnetism of somebody

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Speaker 1: And going back to the haters will see what happens

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Speaker 1: rightly that Bohaschen is a real challenge for him. But

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Speaker 1: this fight was also about a coronation, not merely as

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Speaker 1: he has said I am this person, and there has

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Speaker 1: been this pervasive skepticism. I allude to a last week's

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Speaker 1: show the entire way through. I don't know what quarter

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Speaker 1: not who he says he is. He is everything that

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Speaker 1: To be quite honest with you, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've been a pavaiing skeptic this of this guy, this

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I mean there have been there are similar

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Speaker 3: There have been guys with similar trajectories in terms of

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Speaker 2: They faced this.

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Speaker 3: Kind of guys they do it every time, right, But uh,

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Speaker 3: and it's like he just punished his aggressiator. That was

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Speaker 3: one of his first real good showcases, right Like, as

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Speaker 3: he does. And uh, he did that brilliantly in this

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Speaker 3: last fight. I just can't imagine a scenario where he

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Speaker 3: finish itself, and not just in like how he finished him,

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Speaker 3: but dropping him right before the bell, you know, right

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Speaker 3: in other words, almost two knockouts against Robert Whitaker in

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Speaker 3: one fight. I mean, I just don't think he could

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Speaker 3: have done better in that fight.

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Speaker 1: Also, when he was making his statements like he wanted

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Speaker 1: four when he fought Anderson Silva, I would now get

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Speaker 1: the impression that in some kind of way, if you

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Speaker 1: I actually get the sense that the dance routine aided

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Speaker 1: Yes himself in that sense, aided it made him be

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Speaker 1: more of who he wanted to be, and so he

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Speaker 1: was just ready to go as a consequence of that, lasting.

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Speaker 3: Tayloring his mood and Taylor to his kind of motivations,

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Speaker 1: The last thing I say about this is, you know

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Speaker 1: this is not true one hundred percent, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of times there are violent overthrows in these divisions where

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Speaker 3: But Atasanya is a little different. He almost feels like

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Speaker 3: a throwback to something too, Like he doesn't seem like

432
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,080
Speaker 3: he's a firebrand in that sense. He feels like he's

433
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,520
Speaker 3: a throwback to He's more rooted to something more essential

434
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 3: to the fight game. And you know, and I feel

435
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,280
Speaker 3: like that that's his things. We can't understand him just yet.

436
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,320
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody has the idea of who he is.

437
00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,520
Speaker 3: Nobody's going to peg who he is just yet. There's

438
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,560
Speaker 3: a lot to be discovered him in him through seven fights.

439
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 3: I think he flew under the radar just enough, honestly

440
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,639
Speaker 3: for him to go into now his boom period with

441
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 3: a lot of people not knowing who he is. And

442
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 3: I feel like that's to his benefit. I think that

443
00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 3: that part will be fascinating.

444
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,919
Speaker 1: Folks said, is he now as popular as Connor McGregor

445
00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,399
Speaker 1: know the metrics. They don't. They don't even Connor was

446
00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 1: by the time he beat Aldo, no that that pay

447
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 1: per view did huge numbers. Adasagnya has Autasignya also hasn't.

448
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's happening in Nigeria or

449
00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,120
Speaker 1: New Zealand, but I don't necessarily get the sense from

450
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,879
Speaker 1: Afar that he's captured his country's imagination in the same way.

451
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,680
Speaker 2: You don't see them traveling to Vegas in like one thousands.

452
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,680
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, you'll see what happens. But again, by the point,

453
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: by the point Connor was fighting for the title, they

454
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 1: were already there. So it's a little bit different in

455
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 1: that regard. Now it takes us to the man who lost, Chuck,

456
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker. What do we say about his legacy? Unfortunately, well,

457
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 1: look that's the question. Robert Whitaker loses. So the question

458
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,919
Speaker 1: is what do you say about his title reign and

459
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: what's next. There're two different questions. On the one hand,

460
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 1: I want to make some comparisons. On the other hand,

461
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of trepidation about it. Chuck

462
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: because he's twenty eight. Yeah, he's twenty eight. He's fought

463
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,960
Speaker 1: in three times now in about thirty months. It's not

464
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 1: a lot of activity, it's a lot of time off,

465
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: and he still has some growing to do. Atasignya was

466
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty eight when this whole journey got started and now

467
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 1: he's thirty. Here's what we can say. I know this

468
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 1: is a loaded term, so I'm not using it in

469
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: the way in which it is loaded. But I was

470
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: looking at all of the various middleweight champions from Dave

471
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: Manete to Evan Tanner, Rich Franklin, Anderson Silva to Chris

472
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Widman to Luke rock Hole to you had well it

473
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 1: got stripped in Saint Pierre and then you know, went

474
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Speaker 1: on and on on. You know, it's a little bit

475
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Speaker 1: of Rich Franklin territory. By that, I mean, I don't

476
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Speaker 1: mean he's stuck forever. He could come back in two

477
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: years and win. You just never really know. But what

478
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is you had this reign where typically has

479
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: zero defenses. No, that's not his fault because the one

480
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,719
Speaker 1: you were Marylyn based weight, so it's not his fault.

481
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 1: But okay, so he's got one sort of I think

482
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 1: Franklin had like two or so. But it's in a

483
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 1: scenario where you lose this dynamic upstart who came in

484
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: like a whirlwind and then just tore through everything, and

485
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: he would have to reclaim it again, and that would

486
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: make him a bit of a different story where you

487
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: could go and get a title twice like Avelasquez, right,

488
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing, or even a mirror and

489
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Speaker 1: a different way. But to me, it's like what you

490
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: say when it's middleweight title reign. Here's what I'm going

491
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: to say. One, it's a little it's a little Rich

492
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Speaker 1: Franklin esque.

493
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely see that esque.

494
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Speaker 1: The second part is, and I wonder how you feel

495
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Speaker 1: about this. Folks were saying, oh, those those Romero wars,

496
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: they destroyed them. I'm not ready to say that that's true.

497
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that that's false. To me,

498
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: it's really undetermined because if you go back and again,

499
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: this isn't dissected. If you watch when he gets hit,

500
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: he's never prepared for it, so it's always going to

501
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 1: have their most impact. At the same time, man, the

502
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 1: guy has been injury prone. He had the hernia surgery,

503
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: those Romero wars, he told your own I from the

504
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: athletic sean El Shotty took him a year and a

505
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: half to get over it. I'm not saying it's true.

506
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: I am saying something to pay attention to.

507
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree with everything you just said.

508
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: Watching him this particular fight too, I felt like the

509
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 3: way he hammed himself after, you know, he gets he

510
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: gets beat, is almost like he'd prepared for this eventuality,

511
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: like he'd already thought, you know, if I lose to

512
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 3: this guy, it's like losing to a Maelstrom that will

513
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: move on without me. I'm now at the you know,

514
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: at the uh, you know, at the whims of a

515
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: guy who's basically on the verge of a meg being

516
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: a megastar in the UC.

517
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: I'm now on a maniacal whim.

518
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: I don't you know, if he wants to fight me again,

519
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: that's probably how you get back to it.

520
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: If not, I probably have to move on.

521
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: At this point, I felt like he came to that

522
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 3: understanding even in his po right away, like he understood, like,

523
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 3: you know, man, I'm on the market. I want to

524
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 3: keep fighting. He's just got to move on now. Is

525
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: he diminished? And that's I think that that's what probably

526
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: the next fight will be about. Whoever's going to be

527
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's going to be a guy in the

528
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: top five space, and uh, if that's the case, I

529
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: think we find out a lot a lot about that,

530
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: and I think, but it's premature, I think to say

531
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: that the Romero fights did this to him, because he's

532
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: just that kind of guy, man like, he's always had

533
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: a kind of war mentality in his fight.

534
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: So I feel like you got to see a little more.

535
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Speaker 3: Evidence before you really say that those fights specifically took

536
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 3: it out of him.

537
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Speaker 1: Did he look how did he look to you in

538
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: that fight from from your from your bird's eye view.

539
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: I thought he looked frail. I didn't think he looked frail.

540
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: I thought he looked like he was headhunting. You looked

541
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 3: at a couple of those those shots. I know you

542
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 3: broke this fight down, but like a couple of those shots, man,

543
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: they breeze right by. If he connects on one of those,

544
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: we having a whole different conversation. I mean, he was

545
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: trying to take us out of he was loading up

546
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: to me, he looked like he was trying to He

547
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: was trying for something spectacular himself. I think he really

548
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: believed in that his striking was going to be elite

549
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: in this situation, which was an act of defiance. Let's

550
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: put it that way. A lot of people really thought

551
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: that Ottosania. They believe he's one of the elite strikers

552
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: in the game. I think he wanted to prove something

553
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: and that standpoint, I don't think like he wanted to

554
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: use like the wrestling and stuff. I don't feel like

555
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: he wanted to go there to his own jutriment. So

556
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 3: to me, maybe you're seeing more of a stubbornness than

557
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: a frailty.

558
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: What about the ring Russ where are you on that one?

559
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: I mean, man, I watched them.

560
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: He didn't look rusty.

561
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really see that either. And and honestly,

562
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: like sometimes people in the lead up, you'll get a

563
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: sense that maybe they have, you know, a feeling like that,

564
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 3: because you'll hear them mentioning things they're doing to kind

565
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: of replicate the situation. Again, I didn't really feel like

566
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: he was having any trouble that way. And that guy

567
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: man he is. We seen him go five rounds twice

568
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: with Romero. I just feel like his cardio and who

569
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: he is and his kind of mentality, I just.

570
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: Don't believe it's more like a war.

571
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 3: He goes in there and he expects a war, and

572
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 3: I think that that's just as mentality.

573
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: So I didn't see any of that.

574
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see a ton of evidence of that.

575
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: But you know I was talking. I mentioned this before

576
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: I got his permission to say this. I was talking

577
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: to Brandon Gibson, Yeah, striking coach at Jackson Wink and

578
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: for John Jones, and uh, you know it's interesting I

579
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: tell you this. I don't know what's gonna happen, Whether

580
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: is Raeldis Sign's gonna fight John Jones. I could tell

581
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: you this, John Jones's coaching staff is paying attention. They

582
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: are paying attention. They they they're they're out there looking,

583
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: they're scouting.

584
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: The fight could be huge at some point, not right now,

585
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: not right now, though. Man, it's gotta it's gotta make

586
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: sure you got to you got to maximize on out

587
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: of Sonya's you know, star power within his own division.

588
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: Would a pin in that for a second again, I

589
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: want to revisit, Okay, sticking with Whittaker if I can,

590
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: for just a moment, I didn't think he looked rusty.

591
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: But what the point that Brandy Gibson made to me

592
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: was Okay, Let's say Saint Pierre fights that fight the

593
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: exact same way, different weapons, but more or less goes

594
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: how this one went, landing about the same, miss about

595
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 1: the same, and then you get dropped by Audasignia in

596
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: the first round in the second round, Dude, Saint Pierre's

597
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: coming out wrestling, man. He is coming out wrestling. And

598
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: the reason I thought he would too, And this is

599
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: why I bring that up. It's because his own coach

600
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: was saying Whittaker is a better version of GSP. Well,

601
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: this is why people are not better versions of GSP

602
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: and why these compared. Well, it's like you're comparing yourself

603
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: to like the best ever man. That's a tall order.

604
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: That's a really and for someone even as good as

605
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Robber Whittaker, that's a tall order. He did not wrestle

606
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: on that SECO, which, by the way, to me, maybe

607
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: wrestling wouldn't have made a difference. Maybe it would have.

608
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: There's no way to know. I think it would have been.

609
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: I think it would have made a difference, if not

610
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: in the outcome, certainly in the fight's complexion. But I

611
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: think it will give Whittaker a chance to hang his

612
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: hat on something, to say, you know what, the things

613
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: can be different next time. I do other things. And

614
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: also I would just like to see him fight somebody new,

615
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: like get back out there, get stay healthy, get some activity.

616
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: And dude, he's twenty eight years old.

617
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: Which this seems crazy.

618
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: Do you really think that Saturday was the last time

619
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: you'll see him in a title fight? I find that

620
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: hard to believe.

621
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he kept I mean that was basically his

622
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: message the whole time was like, Hey, you haven't seen

623
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: the last of me.

624
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: I'll be back. I'll be back. He will be back, right,

625
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of now.

626
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, it's like in the Rich Franklin since

627
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: there's a guy who's the megastar in division at the

628
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: UFC has been trying to tailor not Taylor, but just

629
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: they've been rolling out the red carpet for this moment. Right,

630
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: So for him to get back to Attasanya, it may

631
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: be a little bit tricky, he may have.

632
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: To go a couple of fights. But just because it's

633
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: that situation.

634
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Let's se if I can get the champions. I don't

635
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: have it in front of me. It's not not the champions.

636
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can get all UFC Champions.

637
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't forget where Marilla Bustamante fits. It's in there

638
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: so to be Boosta Monte Dave Manet, Evan Tanner, Rich Franklin,

639
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva. Then you would have he got beat by

640
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Chris wi Wideman. It'll be by Luke rock ol Be,

641
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: by Michael Bisping. Yeah, who got beat by Saint Pierre

642
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: who dropped it, and then that made Riker who was

643
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: an interim undisputed, and then he loses Tota Sonya right,

644
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: those are all that's pretty good champions. Yeah, clap, Yeah,

645
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: there you go. In my homework, huh. In any event, though,

646
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: I would I would say this, I think this chapter

647
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: maybe not for Atisania, but I feel like this chapter

648
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: of layoff injury because remember he never got to Kelvin

649
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: Gastolin fight then and then lay off again then back.

650
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: I think it's been exhausting for Robert Whitaker, and I'm

651
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: looking to see him start fresh. Yeah, and then let's

652
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: see what he's got by age thirty. I bet you

653
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna see him in another toit of fight, maybe

654
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: with the gold around his waist again. I think again,

655
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you come out of those

656
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: Romero Wars completely unscathed. But I'm just not ready to

657
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: bury the kid yet.

658
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm with him on I think you use the word

659
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: brooding and a tweet you sent out that his walkout. Yeah,

660
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just that's who he is, man. He's

661
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: an internal fighter, Like he's a guy who whatever's going on,

662
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: you know, he swallows a bomb and explodes, and he's

663
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: just he's ready to He's just ready to go. So

664
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: I feel like he is going to put the pieces

665
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: back to I felt like that's what you're seeing right away.

666
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: He's a guy who doesn't dwell. I think he puts

667
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: it back together. So it maybe even sooner than that,

668
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: But I would guess by the time he is, you know,

669
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: another year, year and a half, I think we'll probably

670
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 3: see him at his best form, you know.

671
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Quickly before we go to this boxing topic, the topic

672
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: of John Jones. Yeah, and I was at answer to

673
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: Silva John Jones and now Israel out of Sonya. I

674
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: find it so bizarre, by the way, but they're nearly

675
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: identical in age thirty thirty thirty thirty one. I find

676
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: it crazy. I find it so bizarre that John Jones,

677
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: like a lot of Sonia really ticks them off. I

678
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: don't know exactly why. I can't wipe with my finger

679
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: on it. Suffice to say, though I think we're both

680
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: in agreement. I do want to see that fight if

681
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: both guys keep winning. I do not wish to see

682
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: that fight right now. Ata Sonya has the right frame.

683
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 1: He is much smaller than John Jones, is so much

684
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: bigger and also just much better at wrestling. Adasanya's true

685
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: gift is that he is a different fighter fight to fight,

686
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: deal with different tactics and different development. So you give

687
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: that guy time. Sky's the limit, But right now, bad idea.

688
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a bad idea too, just for John Jones,

689
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: because we're sitting for the last what a couple of years,

690
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: we talked about like is he going to fight so

691
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: and so, he's going to go to heavyweight.

692
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: We're putting him home.

693
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: We're projecting him against heavyweights, we're not projecting against the middleweight.

694
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's just from his perspective, it

695
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. But if out of Sonya transcends the

696
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: way he's trajecting right now, like if he goes and

697
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: just transcends the sport, wins a couple of big fight,

698
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: you revisit that idea because I think people then would

699
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: believe in his invincibility enough to go tackle a guy

700
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: like Johnson.

701
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Here's what I think might happen. I think let's say

702
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: he beats Bohashena, which you know Bulghina might you know,

703
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: God only knows what's gonna happen there. But let's say

704
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: he beats him. And let's say Whittaker gets the winner

705
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: of Till versus Gastolon and then beats that person. I

706
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: bet you they're gonna put him right back into a

707
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: rematch after that. Yeah, right, Like, let's do this one

708
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: over again. They're gonna talk about ring Russ, They're going

709
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: to talk about time off, whether or not it's real.

710
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: And then and then if an Asanya wins that, I

711
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: think they're gonna say, all right, let's let's let's see,

712
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: let's se what he's got against Jones. But then Jones,

713
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: God only knows what he'll be doing by that point. Yeah.

714
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me that when you remove Daniel

715
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Cormier from the equation, Yes, it narrowed Jones's options a

716
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: little bit, because he's got maybe we's see if Wyman

717
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: beats Derek Serie Dominic Rayes. But let's say Wyman loses,

718
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: I think his options about big fights kind of got

719
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: a little smaller.

720
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think that also the OC right now,

721
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: like you just got this guy to the spot where

722
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: you know where he's going to be a star. You

723
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: don't want to make him vulnerable, like you probably want

724
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: to play him within the rules of you know, the

725
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: playing field that he knows he can thrive in. But

726
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: I can tell you right now, as soon as he's

727
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: reached a level where it's like he can make John

728
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: Jones feel vulnerable, that's when they'll make that I win

729
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: it. It seems like a collective idea would be like I

730
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: think he could put Jones in trouble. When that becomes

731
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: the case, I could see that fight getting made right, So.

732
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: We'll have to see how it goes. So let's move

733
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: on now to boxing. There was a big boxing fight.

734
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, weekend triple G r.

735
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Sean watching both screens and once well, it was a

736
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: little difficult at.

737
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: Times when we made it work. A triple G taken

738
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: on Sergei Dervinchenko. Ooh boy, this was interesting. He won

739
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: the vacant. Let's see IBF and IBO middleweight titles. Triple

740
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: G did. I did not think he won that bound

741
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: and I people were like, oh, you say he got robbed.

742
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he got robbed. I'm saying I just

743
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: completely disagree with the judge's scorecards. I had it. I

744
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: think one fifteen one twelve Drivin Jake or at least

745
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: one fourteen one thirteen, So I had it. Okay. So

746
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: here's what happens. He gets knocked down in the very

747
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: first round. That's kind of what did him in A

748
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: little bit would have been a little closer, but in

749
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the end it would have changed enough scorecards to matter.

750
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I will say this, Max Kellerman has a famous test,

751
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: who would you rather be? At the end of that right,

752
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: you look at the Kompubox numbers, they tell you the

753
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: story of that fight, which was not merely that Dery

754
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: van Chenko had more volume than him and that Triple

755
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: G had better power punches, but like who was doing

756
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: the work? Oh yeah, who was pulling the yoke? Who

757
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: was the guy who said, I'm gonna put on my

758
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: big boy pants today, clock in for work, and I'm

759
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: going to do more than you and dry Vanchenko was

760
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: all over him, body shots, pushing him backwards, pushing him backwards,

761
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: then cutting an angle and pushing it backwards again.

762
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: This is beautiful.

763
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Tell me this, chuck. Have you ever seen even in

764
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: the Canelo fights, round over round with Triple G looking

765
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: that deflated?

766
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: No, And I tell you what you know? To me?

767
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: What did it? Honestly? Was that cut?

768
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: As soon as I cut him in and when the

769
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: serve is a head butt or a punch or what happened?

770
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: There was like some some confusion the Dervi Chenko, Yeah,

771
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: David Chekin when that cut happened. I think it was

772
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: between the second and third. Right, The first two rounds

773
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: obviously wore for Triple G. But by that it was

774
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: almost like you saw his animalins thing kick in and

775
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: he like, you know what, I better try to finish

776
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: this thing just in case. I better go in there

777
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: and try to finish this thing. And that mode, that

778
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: kind of animal instinct took over and it kind of

779
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: lasted dude through the whole interior rounds of the fight

780
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: from three to ten, and I thought, maybe you could

781
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: give every one of those rounds to Derevin Chaco. So

782
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: it's like he went in there with that kind of thing,

783
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: and what really struck me was whatever pace he started

784
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: there and he started going to the body. It was

785
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: kind of crazy to see TRIPLEG kind of folding up

786
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: a couple of times taking those body shots. But man,

787
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: once he started kind of chopping away at him, and

788
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: he just put on a pace that I felt like

789
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: glove Can.

790
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: Didn't keep up with. He just couldn't keep up with it.

791
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Every time he'd kind of come in there, there was

792
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: an answer of two or three shots, and that kind

793
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: of just went on, and I think it just slowly

794
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 3: dawned on You're like, man, like all the things they

795
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: were talking about during the broadcast were dawning on you

796
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: in real time as well, which is just like, never

797
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: seen him hurt like this. I've never seen him having

798
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: to dig this far in terms of like knowing that

799
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: he might be down on the scorecards or knowing that

800
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: he may need a finish, which is I thought maybe

801
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: where he was entering that space around the eleventh twelve round,

802
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: I was like, he may need to finish this fight now,

803
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: Triple G two, you know, to get this one.

804
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Crazy man.

805
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: Even Triple G after the fight sat on the microphone.

806
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: He's like, this is a bad day for me. This

807
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: was a great day for Dean Chenko. So here's what

808
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: my colleague over at Serrius XM R. J. Clifford made

809
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: a great point. He's like, you could argue that Triple

810
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: G got run out against Canella, but boy, he got

811
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: saved against s deary Chenko. The car is even at

812
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: this point. So here's the thing we asked about Whittaker,

813
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: what was the lingering damage after ten rounds with Joel Romero.

814
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if you saw this.

815
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Jorge Massball was like, Whitaker ain't the same. So he

816
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: by the way, he staked his claim that he's not

817
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: the same. The thing I'll say about this for Triple

818
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: G is I am much more believer that he's not

819
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: the same. Now now the question is A how much

820
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: of a downgrade? And B what does that downgrade mean?

821
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Exactly like, okay, he's less, but what does that ultimately

822
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: amount to is because by the way, he still got

823
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: his hand raised. Right, Here's what I would say to me,

824
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: it was the punishment. Like daryvian Chenko was like an

825
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: unrelenting rain. He wasn't a hurricane. He wasn't a tornado.

826
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: But if the rain just never stops, eventually you're gonna flood.

827
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: And that's to me what it looked like. It was

828
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: each shot just kind of just seculative thing. So it

829
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: was this constant heat that was on him. I guess

830
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: the reason why I would say Triple G looked a

831
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: little bit older to me is he just didn't seem

832
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: to have I don't know, he didn't seem to have

833
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: another way to put He just couldn't get the guy

834
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: off of.

835
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: A different gear and a lot of investments.

836
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: A lot of times you would see guys trying to

837
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: put it on him before and he would score a

838
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: job or a body shot and it would change the

839
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: whole game. He could not do that to this guy. Yeah,

840
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: I don't know either.

841
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: You know, he had a he had a new trainer,

842
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: like for this fight, there was a gone back to Abelson.

843
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's all that's all possibility, right Like,

844
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: But I thought that every now and again, you just

845
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: watch a fight where suddenly a guy starts to look older.

846
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: That's just I felt like maybe that's what you were seeing,

847
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 3: because there was no indication in the second Canelo fight.

848
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: I didn't see any kind of diminishing. You know, there

849
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: was no diminishment that I saw, Like, did you see anything?

850
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: And then he had the kind of he had the

851
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: tune up fight with Rolls and he looked good, you

852
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: look like himself in that fight the Old Corks group.

853
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

854
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: So this one, particularly, especially in the first two rounds,

855
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was just more of the same. You know,

856
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: here's this guy, you know, fighting Madison square Garden and

857
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: doing the same thing he does, man, and it was

858
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 3: almost like over, you know, just like this he started

859
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: to look a little older to me. And obviously that's

860
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: you tell me how much that changes the complexity of

861
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: maybe a possible trilogy fight.

862
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Right, So if you're Canelo Alvarez, that's the big question here.

863
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: You got to be look at this and saying, ooh,

864
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: now Canelo Alvarez his hands full and taking on a

865
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: guy too many classes above him and Sergey Kovalev same

866
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: day as the BMF belt being on the line, and what's.

867
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: With these guys?

868
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: First of all, like Covial lev had to get by

869
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: yard right like to get to Canelo. He struggles to

870
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: get through there, and now you have this these guys

871
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: trying to get to Canelo, this delicate dancer doing man

872
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: struggling to get through and you want to get to the.

873
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Tower, to get bruised up along the way. But if

874
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: you're a Canelo Alvarez, you know you have to be

875
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: completely delighted with this. It looks I would say it's

876
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: not the Canelo set the blueprint, But I've noticed that

877
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: between the Jacobs fight and Canelo's two fights and now

878
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: this fight some other ones too, guys are starting to

879
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: real well, Jacob's backed up. But what I'm saying is

880
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: guys have begun to realize if you just take it

881
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: to this guy, there's a little bit more of a

882
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel than they once realized.

883
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: Think Darian Jakob wasn't even worried about his power.

884
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing. He was worried about the cut only in

885
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the sense that, as you indicated, the ref might say

886
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: it's too big. So, by the way, props to the

887
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: cutman for holding that on. So we'll see what happens

888
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: with Canelo and covi Lev And I guess if Canelo

889
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: gets bruised up in that one, all bets are off.

890
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: But if he comes out of that one, let's say

891
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: relatively unscathed. Even if you here's the part about this fight, juck,

892
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: even if you wanted to say that in this bout,

893
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: triple Ga one or B did not necessarily look old. Okay, fine,

894
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: after the fight, You've now done twelve rounds with Derevin Chenkin, right,

895
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: you did not come out of that the same exactly

896
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: that guy was all over you. I think I have

897
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: the CompuBox stats, if I may, let me pull them

898
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: up here real quickly, if I can here on this

899
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: delightful iPad of mine. He landed derev ian Chenko two

900
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty body shots, jabs just forty seven, and

901
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: then power punches one hundred and eighty three.

902
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: And the grat majority of those were right to the body, yes, yeah, and.

903
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: Cutting angles on him yep, and then hurting him didn't

904
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: have him take a knee, dude. That is a that

905
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: is a ton of this. It is after two Canelo

906
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: Alvarez fights, no less as well. You can see why

907
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: these guys in boxing, like the Marta Rosian fight in

908
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: the Rolls fight, yea, why they take so many tune ups.

909
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think that. Uh, it'd be

910
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: really interesting to see if Canelo does soften on this

911
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: obviously because because of this whole aspect, and obviously, like

912
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: with the Dionne you know, this whole his oone, like hey,

913
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: we'll promise we're gonna get this trilogy thing. I feel like,

914
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: if it's going to happen, this was probably the best

915
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: case scenario.

916
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: De did a huge he did, man, we'll see, we'll

917
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: see it. By the way, I just feel bad for

918
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: derrivian Chenko, Like he came here, he got dropped against

919
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: Danny Jacobs, and he came back. He did the exact same.

920
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: The same venue except for the Hulu there, but his

921
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: same venue is like he put this a house of

922
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: horrors for him to go to the Madison.

923
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: Are some of these guys, man, they're just bridesmaids and

924
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe they shouldn't be that shouldn't have his day to

925
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: be Like I finally broke through.

926
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: I thought he won and that's all I'll say. Man,

927
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: I thought he won the fights.

928
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, It makes you, It makes you

929
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: appreciate what guys like Andy Ruiz do because Andy Ruiz, okay,

930
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: he had really dropped. He got dropped too, but he

931
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: had dropped. I think Joshua think a couple of times

932
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: before that. Okay, so fine, But let's say they had

933
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: stopped dropping each other or they had dropped to the

934
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: same number of times and that had gone the distance. Dude,

935
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: they had given that fight to Anthony Joshua. Now there's

936
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: just this inertia behind the champion.

937
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: So you know what partest thing box that?

938
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: Man?

939
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: I know, that's the hardest part of boxing to me

940
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 3: is just like you really don't know over a twelve

941
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: round narrative at what the judges are doing because they're

942
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: they're piecemealing it for twelve rounds, like they're just you know, chapters,

943
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: and they just don't know how they're looking.

944
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: At it, and they have no stats, they have their

945
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: own review. It's it can be a little difficult, all right.

946
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: So last but CERDA and not at least we go

947
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: back to UFC. There is UFC Tampa this weekend, sort

948
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: of a very interesting main event. You want to get

949
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: a j check taken on Michelle Waterson, a strawweight fight, Chuck,

950
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: I love this, okay, So here is the question for you,

951
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: what is on the line with that main event? What

952
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: is that stake?

953
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: So I feel like this particular fight is a main

954
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: event because they want to establish the number one contender.

955
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: I would think that that's what this is all about.

956
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: That would make some sense to me. Obviously, Tatiana Suarez

957
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: is out there, and I'm not sure if she's even

958
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: ready to fight because she was kind of coming back

959
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: from an injury. I don't know, like is she does

960
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: she have a fight coming.

961
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: Up, so she's training, okay, but she's not allowed to

962
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: like do hard sparing.

963
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: Because okay, So given her status, I guess in the situation,

964
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: I think that that's what this is. It's that's what's

965
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: on the line. It's a strange one though, because it's

966
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: a you know, Watterson. I feel like they've kind of

967
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: the UFC has kind of gotten behind her in strange

968
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: woys because I think they believe she's a marketable fighter.

969
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I think she's by the way she's rep by w me.

970
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I mean yeah, and I w me.

971
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: Actually I remember this now before I think it was

972
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: during the Fox TUK casts had actually put her in

973
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: the booth A couple like I have put her on

974
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: an analyst desk and just let her talk a little bit.

975
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: She kind of I think that they like her in

976
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: that way. I think they'd like to get her into

977
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: a spot where she's fighting for a title. Obviously, this

978
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: one is a tough fight. Man, it's a tough fight

979
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: for her. But if she's able to get through it,

980
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: I think that especially they would be looking at putting

981
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: her in that title fight.

982
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: It's a it's an interesting moment. So one I think

983
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: you're right, it's who's going to get the next shot

984
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: at Xiang Wiley or Wiley Jiang. I can never do

985
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: the Chinese.

986
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: Only once, and I can't. I get confused to you know.

987
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: I get it, which I know is like unbearably professional.

988
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

989
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know. So there's that. But the other

990
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: part is I think it's an interesting moment for both ladies.

991
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: You want to j Chick had this moment of invincibility

992
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: for a point of career right before she lost to

993
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: Rose Nami units right, she could do no wrong. She

994
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: was bringing gifts to the way ends ways but sorry,

995
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: the face offs, taunting people, and then she loses and

996
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: then can't quite get right, loses back to back. I

997
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: think she righted the ship against Tcha Torres, but then

998
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: she tried to go against Valentino chef Chako and that

999
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: was no dice. She's lost three of her last four.

1000
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: Her only wins against Tcha Torres, who is on her

1001
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: own losing straight by the way. So it's like, wow, man,

1002
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a tough spot for her career.

1003
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that you could reac claim boogieman status

1004
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: necessarily in this contest, but she needs to get right.

1005
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: She needs to get right. She has lost to a

1006
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: degree what was previously captured. Yeah, this this fight. Let's

1007
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: say she goes in there and blows the doors off

1008
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: of Waterson. Now maybe that it's gonna get a number

1009
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: of contender no matter what. But I'm talking about a

1010
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: bigger perception about what kind of actual threat she poses. Yeah,

1011
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: that's been lost. That could be gained here. I would

1012
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: also add chuck. In the case of Michelle Waterson, she's

1013
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: had some nice wins. I'd argue her win over Jessica

1014
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Penny Back and in Victa is her best one. I

1015
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: think that was an Adam Wait fight. If memory serves

1016
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, the winner of a page van Zant was

1017
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: nice because it was a bit of a name. But

1018
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: that's not the toughest challenge. This would be the best

1019
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: win of her career and she's thirty two, thirty three

1020
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: years old. You know, she's always flirted with breaking out

1021
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: the main street. Remember when years ago she was in

1022
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: those Samsung commercials for the phones, and you always kind

1023
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: of thought, man, the karate hotties. She got an interesting style.

1024
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, she's gonna be somebody who could really bring

1025
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: out what I mean, she hasn't broken out, yeah, and

1026
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 1: the clock's kind of ticking.

1027
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, this would be her moment, and I feel like

1028
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: that's really the narrative really is right there, right. I

1029
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: think that it's her moment to break through. Because the

1030
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: n J check still has that Boogeyman name to an extent.

1031
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: I know that it's been compromised a little bit, but

1032
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: it's still there. I still look at her like I

1033
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: used to, where she would show up like you mentioned

1034
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: and turning in the olmos as like this demon during

1035
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: the face offs, where she was almost trying to snatch

1036
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: you know, like it was crazy, and then you'd see

1037
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: her going there and just destroy opponents. I still see

1038
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: that version, like I feel like she's still there. I

1039
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: do feel like that. This It tells you how psychological

1040
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: the game can be sometimes, how like a loss, and

1041
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: especially two losses to somebody like Rosenami Unis can suddenly

1042
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: change everything, you know, So I feel like there are

1043
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: two different narratives there. But like, if Michelle Waterson is

1044
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: able to kind of get through and kind of you know,

1045
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: have a showcase moment for herself and do that against

1046
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: you and J Jack while her name is still there,

1047
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: this would be a huge moment for her. I think

1048
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: I do think though, that you're right. If Njchick loses

1049
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: this fight, man, I just what happens. You almost then

1050
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: start the you know, you start the eulogies.

1051
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: About like wow, and then when she ran into no nomm.

1052
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: Units who herself has become reclusive and no longer has

1053
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: a status after losing. Losing sucks, man. These guys kind

1054
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: of just drop off after this. And it's especially true,

1055
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm if we've been honest, like with some of the

1056
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: female champions when they when they've lost, they've had a

1057
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: hard time some of them of ever coming back. Holly

1058
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: Holme fell off, you know, Ronda Rawsi clearly fell off.

1059
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: We've seen multiple you know, Rosennami unison. I think it's whatever,

1060
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: whatever reason, there's a lot of mental play in there as.

1061
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: So you think, let me explore that little bit. So

1062
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: you believe that when the women lose, it's just it

1063
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: might be more, it might carry more constantly.

1064
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: Could because you know, honestly, like Ronda Rowsei probably handled

1065
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: a loss as poorly as you possibly could. In the UFC,

1066
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: We've been through this a million times. She kind of

1067
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: she'd never never return to form. Holly Holm, though, was

1068
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: the one that I thought, because she had the long

1069
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: boxing pedigree, I didn't really think a loss would hurt

1070
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: her that bad. She took some unfortunate circumstances of unfortunate fights,

1071
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: that type of thing. But it seems to have like

1072
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, she I don't feel like she's been exactly

1073
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: the same as she was on her come up. Rosanami

1074
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: Unis is contemplating maybe not even fighting again, although I've

1075
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: been in contact with the camp a little bit and

1076
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: it sounds like she will. But I mean, you just

1077
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: look at all of that stuff, and you yeah, I

1078
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: think there might be something to that.

1079
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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

1080
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: They's just the evidence is like that.

1081
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, you're right, these two again, it's

1082
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: not the end of the world for either if they lose. Yeah,

1083
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: but in some ways. It's significant a good point, it's significant. Okay,

1084
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: So then that brings us to now your questions for us.

1085
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: This is a segment that we call DMS from Dogs

1086
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: or DMS four Dogs, so it's from Dogs. I can

1087
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: never remember the actual name, so I always if you

1088
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: guys don't know, I'm at Instagram, Luke Thomas news. I

1089
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: post on Sundays a little picture. It's quite clear and

1090
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: if you post a comment in there you will see

1091
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: all of my questions or sorry, it's your chance to

1092
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: rather contribute your response. Okay, Chuck, we'll go to you

1093
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: first on this one. This comes to us from Robert Riol.

1094
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: I guess will we see a new wave of kickboxers

1095
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: now after Izzy's championship win?

1096
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: What do you think that's a good one.

1097
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I feel like we've seen kickboxers

1098
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 3: over time, right, Like a lot of them have tried

1099
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: to come over and Mark Hunt, Yeah, Mark Hunt, I

1100
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: mean there there there have been kickboxers have come over.

1101
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: Not a lot, but there have been. There have been

1102
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: a handful that have come over and had decent success,

1103
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: but nothing like this. I do feel like that he's

1104
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: cut differently, like I think that he always had maybe

1105
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: MMA on his mind even while he was still competing.

1106
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: Remember seeing him in Colorado during a one of the

1107
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: Glory events and thinking that. I remember thinking like, man,

1108
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: this guy will be a good mixed martial artist if, if,

1109
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: and when he does that, And it was like what

1110
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: a year later that he was competing. So I don't know,

1111
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: but I would. You know how it is, man, it's

1112
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: always there's a floodgate if you're not making a lot

1113
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: of money. I don't feel like kickboxing will ever take

1114
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: over North American audience like they thought it would.

1115
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: And you know, you know as well as me, Yeah,

1116
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: it's just for glory. I mean, they do work, but

1117
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't just I don't believe it.

1118
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: And I was optimistic when they when they started, I

1119
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, this could be it because you know

1120
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: MMA beingward does. This is kind of just taking take

1121
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: out the grapping, This is just knockouts. People just don't

1122
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: want to go in for it. But I could see

1123
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: I could see a scenario where some some people might

1124
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 3: get some ideas. I could see maybe a little influx

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00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: of some kickboxing.

1126
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure like why. I mean, it's like, okay,

1127
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: there might be some out there who can do it.

1128
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: But like, the key to understanding at Asania is that

1129
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: you see him in one fight and in his next one.

1130
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't overstate this joke. His ability to

1131
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: improve in the area is not included in kickboxing. Like

1132
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: the rest of his game, his ability to improve is extraordinary. Moreover,

1133
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: we went over this with the fainting study last week.

1134
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: He adds a layer of trickery to everything that his

1135
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: game sits beneath, and it's so thick moose. Kickboxers even

1136
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: don't do that kind of thing. Boxers boxers do a

1137
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: lot more of that than kickboxers. So it's like, could

1138
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: other kickboxers come probably had another one? I think Brad

1139
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Riddell on the card right, who had trained with the

1140
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: same team.

1141
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: That guy put on a fight.

1142
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: Huh holy shit? So so yes is the answer is

1143
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit yeah, like a like a.

1144
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 3: The truth of the matter is, it's it's almost unfair

1145
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 3: to couple him as just a kickboxer because of who

1146
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: you're saying. He's a very cerebral he's a different kind

1147
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: of human being, you know, he's just it's to even

1148
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: just say he's a kickboxer heels.

1149
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Here's to sign it. He's special. Yeah, he's special among kickboxers,

1150
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: he's special among MMA fighters. He's incredibly special. So like

1151
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: maybe some, but I would not expect them influence. Okay,

1152
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: this is from Poco. What did you make of the

1153
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: production of UFC two forty three check?

1154
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: Like, oh, all the change?

1155
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool.

1156
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: I never really get I know, we used to talk

1157
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: about this stuff a little bit on the MMA beat.

1158
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: I always like to see them trying new things and

1159
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: trying to spice it up, you know, maybe getting rid

1160
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: of your favorite intro song and doing still. I think

1161
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: now it's an act of defiance because they know that

1162
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: you are.

1163
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: I know, honestly, I think they legit keep it around

1164
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: and be like fuck luket.

1165
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's true. I actually believe that

1166
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: the oc is would think that way.

1167
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: But I thought it was cool, Like the graphics say,

1168
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: you know it was it added like a dimension to it.

1169
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: The the graphics like what they matched the belt? Is

1170
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: that the idea? Yeah?

1171
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, So you know they kind of just updated

1172
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: the whole package. I didn't, to be honest, I rarely

1173
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: noticed that stuff. But so many people are talking about

1174
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: it on social media that it started to jump out

1175
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: at me as.

1176
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: Going on, I didn't notice it. Like the thing, the

1177
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: thing that always gets me is and it was not

1178
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: in play here is like they go to arena to

1179
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: arena and you could barely tell the difference. Now this

1180
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: one was so grandiose you could. And I like what

1181
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: they're doing with Megan o'levy where they'll have her near

1182
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: the walkout. Yeah, and then it comes behind and it

1183
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: gives you a sense of space and dementsion. They're doing

1184
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: a good job with that. And this arena again with

1185
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: that white floor and then the white chairs, that was

1186
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: kind of cool.

1187
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was cool. But like you know, there's huge.

1188
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna go to Tampa this weekend, right, what

1189
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: do you want to bet if you didn't know as

1190
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: in Tampa, you'd have aside from b roll again, it's

1191
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: showing the city of Tampa. Dude, they never told you

1192
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: would you know, I've never know.

1193
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in arenas all the time and I don't

1194
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: know where I'm at if I just look around on

1195
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: my and you know, you just forget, you don't even know.

1196
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing that signifies one place from another really,

1197
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1198
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was great, but it was it wasn't

1199
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: like wow, yeah, all right, I think that's what I

1200
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions about this dog. I didn't

1201
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: think much about this fight, but I guess y'all did.

1202
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: Uh Sarah is Rob Brens who has a weird avatar,

1203
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Uh Sarah ge Spivak came out looking way more shredded

1204
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: since getting clowned by Walt Harris, then subsequently dispatches the

1205
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: Dangerous Tie to Ivasa. Does he pose much of a

1206
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: danger to the division since he's had a chance to

1207
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: display his skills and fight IQ.

1208
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: See. I guess you could look at it that way.

1209
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: You could look at his fight like, well, you could

1210
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: look at it from the from the standpoint of a

1211
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: Spivac was able to do. But I look at it

1212
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: the opposite way. I'm like, what what was toy Bosa

1213
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: not able to do? He was not able to defend

1214
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: the wrestling at all, and or the judah.

1215
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Or the judo.

1216
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 3: It's like, it's one of those types of situations. You're like, man,

1217
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: you so your game plan was earlier to go, you know,

1218
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: chop him down with your fists and that's it. There

1219
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: was no plan B. That's really what st stood out

1220
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: to me. So I need to see more evidence on this,

1221
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: Like I would need to like see him fight another

1222
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: fight or two before I really know his full arsenal.

1223
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: To me, I felt like all he had to do

1224
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: is follow elemental ideas of how to do a mixed

1225
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: martial arts fight. And I'm not trying to be diminishing

1226
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 3: of Tavasa, but I'm like, that's how it struck me.

1227
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 3: I was It felt very much a disappointment. He was

1228
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: a four to one favorite against in this fight, you know,

1229
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: and to get kind of taken down, yeah, and to

1230
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: get taken down in your home country like that and

1231
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: really yeah, repeatedly and just have no answer for that.

1232
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: I felt like it was more of an indictment on him.

1233
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: Especially in MMA, Like if you're in grappling and you're

1234
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: sporting with somebody, you might find yourself in a common scenario,

1235
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: but you only have like not one way, but you

1236
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: only have one tool jiu jitsu in your disposal. In MMA,

1237
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: you have a lot of different tools at your disposal,

1238
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: and that changes the dynamics of a position, and it's like,

1239
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: did you keep getting I think it was was in

1240
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: a sooto guardy. I have to go back and look,

1241
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: but he kept getting thrown and I was like, bro,

1242
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: just I know, why are you going back to these

1243
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: same positions? Now, I will say this, I thought the

1244
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: feet he was moving side to side, he was fainting,

1245
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: he was little. I actually thought there were some nice

1246
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: differences there. He looked pretty good. But that lasted half

1247
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: around and then once Spivak did this, it was a

1248
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: rap bro, it was a super wrap.

1249
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: Those fights are really super frustrating too, because the first

1250
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: time you see something happen that you're like, ooh, he

1251
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 3: doesn't have an answer for that. It becomes a pattern

1252
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: and then you're like, it's just a matter of time.

1253
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: It's either a matter of time or it falls into

1254
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: a boring pattern when you're like, well, this thing is

1255
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: going to go the judge of scorecards because he has

1256
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: no answer for this.

1257
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: You know, that fight was very.

1258
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: By the way, there's there's also a difference between there's

1259
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: a hole in somebody's game versus they're not necessarily great

1260
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: at it, right, Yeah.

1261
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 3: This was this was as a hole in his game.

1262
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was like a piece missing and it know,

1263
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Not. I mean, this one was

1264
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: much worse. I tweeted this out. It sounds disparaging. I

1265
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: don't mean it to be, but that Jorgan de Castro

1266
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: fight against I think it was justin tough right. Tafa

1267
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: comes in, I mean cocked back to the East coast

1268
00:51:58,280 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: of America.

1269
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of those on the fight card.

1270
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Well, here's here's what I tweeted. I tweeted, like, dude,

1271
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: how much of MMA highlights because he got starched. It's

1272
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: just karma for bad technique. I saw that tweet, you

1273
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And it was so true of

1274
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: this card.

1275
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: Guys were just rushing in and then you and hey

1276
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: get your hand raised. I mean, it was just it

1277
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 3: was dude.

1278
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: I even watched it. He didn't stay in the stance

1279
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: and pop him. He got square and then just said ah,

1280
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: then crushed them with it. And I was like, dude,

1281
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: that was kind of weird. You didn't have to lose

1282
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: that way.

1283
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: You know, you have.

1284
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: Whole fight cards sometimes where there's thirteen fights where it's

1285
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: just such brilliant technique, Like so the guys are so

1286
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: well rounded against each other that they basically offset each other.

1287
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 3: And neutralize each other to the point where it's a

1288
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: boring card. You've had that happen. Then you get these

1289
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: cards where I feel like we stepped back in time

1290
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: and you just see guys going with these game plans,

1291
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: or maybe they just lose their head in the moment

1292
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 3: a little bit and they do that stuff.

1293
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: Dude, how about this one? This is the point I

1294
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: also raised in real time. I want I got to

1295
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: move along. But you know, you have a bunch. Look,

1296
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: there's been some real winners coming out of the Contender series. Okay,

1297
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: Macy Barber, who's this has been a kid Sean O'Malley. Uh,

1298
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: there's been some other ones too that have been like real,

1299
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: real talent. You're like, wow, these could be the next big,

1300
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: big thing. But then they whiffed a lot man and

1301
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: had you had a guy on this card who I'm

1302
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: sure is a good fighter. I think it was Machi Pattolo.

1303
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: He had a brilliant quick knockout. Dude. Here is the

1304
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: fact I would there's a question of who's being recruited

1305
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: into the talent pool, so I don't know who's going

1306
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: to do tough, but I know winning that tournament tells

1307
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: me a lot more about a fighter than a sixty

1308
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: second knockout Tuesday, that Comer series. It's not a great

1309
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: method of evaluation, that Patolo.

1310
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: It was it the Potter fight.

1311
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: It was Potter and I mean they were like and Potter,

1312
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: we were just slamming each other in the face with

1313
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: no movement at all, like for the first round.

1314
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: It was as if there was a rule like no

1315
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: head movement allowed.

1316
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: Now are some people who are gonna love that kind

1317
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: of fight, I mean, because it's it's just you're watching

1318
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: pure offense reaction.

1319
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Now, in Potter's defense, he got it. He took it

1320
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: after a but it was like, dude, we gotta stop.

1321
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: Like if you're I always say this. You see this

1322
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: all the time, Chuck. You've been in this business a

1323
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: long time. You'll see someone come from the regional scene.

1324
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: You look at the resume, it's like seven and oh

1325
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: seven first round KOs and t ko's and the lesson

1326
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: there is Okay, that dude can crack, but he's probably

1327
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: fought a bunch of a bunch of chumps, right, because

1328
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: there's no way you can go seven fights in a

1329
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: row in the UFC fighting good competition and get that

1330
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of a record, which means you're untested. It's just

1331
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: not a great way to do it. It's true at all.

1332
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: It's funny how you start to identify the red flags

1333
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 3: from guys like that, you really do.

1334
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean they're not good. It just means that

1335
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you how good they are, just being sure

1336
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: that that punch was good that day. This comes to

1337
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: us from Webb Scream Webb's cream. You decide which one

1338
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: it is. Chuck should in the UFC, cancel the BMF

1339
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: fight and just give the belt to Michael bisbin Man.

1340
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: We just found out that he fought for years and

1341
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: even won the belt while hiding his fake I from commissions.

1342
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 3: You see this, Oh yeah, we are we rolling it? Okay,

1343
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: all right, well listen listen to me. I was in

1344
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: Chicago for UFC two thirty.

1345
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: Eight, like this summer.

1346
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Which one was that? Was?

1347
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: Was that the yes? Yes?

1348
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: And uh ferguson cerroony Yes.

1349
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: Correct.

1350
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: So I was out there for that that card and

1351
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: I had lunch with Michael Bisping just for whatever reason,

1352
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: and he did that for me. He's sitting here, who

1353
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: were sitting there eating and he apparently I was talking

1354
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 3: to him about his eye. I was like, because I

1355
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: felt like it's always the elephant in the room, right,

1356
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: like you're talking to him and then he's like, no, man,

1357
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: it just pops it out, just like he did, and

1358
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: he like holds it and you're like looking at this

1359
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: little piece of like rubber it's like a rubber eye,

1360
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: you know type thing, and you're just sitting there and

1361
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: it's kind of you.

1362
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: Know, he's basically got a cloudy eye.

1363
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: And I sat there just like everybody did on this

1364
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: video with my jaw dropped and just like, dude, and

1365
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: my first question is, how in the hell did you

1366
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: get by the commissions?

1367
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: How did you do this? And he's like, mind doing business,

1368
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: that's all he says.

1369
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I mean that guy, like he is

1370
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: a it's just a it's a crazy thing that he

1371
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: was fighting with one eye since the Vitor Belford fight

1372
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: essentially and did all he did at the end. We've

1373
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 3: heard of Boston Greats Wave going way back one hundred years,

1374
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: who there's guys who are like legally blind who still

1375
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: accomplished crazy things. But this an mm A man, that's

1376
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 3: a that's a crazy thing he accomplished.

1377
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is an unreal I've never I've talked about

1378
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: this before. I forget the ie for just a second,

1379
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: which is its own amazing thing. But I made a

1380
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: video years ago about this, Like, dude, you see a

1381
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: lot of people like take Ronda Rossie for example, they

1382
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: take a vicious ko and they're just never the same anymore.

1383
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: And she took I guess two of them, but she

1384
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: was certainly was not the same from the first one

1385
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: to the second one, and she quit the sport after two. Dude,

1386
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: Michael Bisping was like a quarterback, like you thrown interception, Yeah,

1387
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: forget it, come back right on the next series, and

1388
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: you march that goddamn team right down the field. He had.

1389
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: And I'm dead serious, I've never met a fighter to

1390
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: his own physical detriment more mentally committed to the fight

1391
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: and tougher mentally at Michael Bisping.

1392
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: Fact fact, I think it's because and I've about this stuff.

1393
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've asked about this stuff, like how are

1394
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: you so resilient?

1395
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: I think he tie it's literally that he ties it

1396
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: to some kind of humbler version of himself. He returns

1397
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: back to his humble upbringing his dad, driving them all

1398
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: over the country and putting them in these situations.

1399
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: I think he always ties it back to that, and.

1400
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: He he just feels right back up, you know, and

1401
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: they a would show up the next fight, just like

1402
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 3: you said, ready to go.

1403
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: There's a term in dog fighting. I hate to bring

1404
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: that into comparison, but it's true. It's called gameness, and

1405
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: it's where game bread comes from. Bejourge Masidal. Gameness is

1406
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: defined as pursuit of the fight despite the physical consequences. Well,

1407
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: who's got more gameness than that guy? Yeah? Right, I

1408
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: mean gave up his eyesight quite literally so he could

1409
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: go and win titles and then that was his best

1410
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: chapter of his career.

1411
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: I know.

1412
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: It is shocking, dude. And also it's like the Athletic

1413
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: Commission cleared him. Ll who gives a shit with the

1414
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: commissions here letting blind people? But then's your business, but yeah,

1415
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: my d own business. But the reality of it too

1416
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: is like, dude, if these fighters don't want to be

1417
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: honest with you, what are supposed to go in there

1418
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: and make sure your eyes are real? You're gonna take

1419
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: a bit of your work, I know, And you do

1420
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: have to pass a vision test. So he must have

1421
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: been like, bro, he must have been st ruggle in

1422
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: on those vision tests. Oh yeah, hilarious. All right, finally,

1423
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: but not read his book.

1424
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: By the way, it's a really good book in terms

1425
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: of like the guy you know, in terms of fighter books,

1426
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: and there aren't a lot of good ones.

1427
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: I have to be honest, his is actually worth to

1428
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: read it.

1429
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't read any books about MMA now.

1430
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: I rarely do well.

1431
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: I won't say I won't read any, but I don't

1432
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: read most all right, from Tyler Tyler Orion? Can we

1433
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: finally see what's under Chuck's hat? The fans demand an answer.

1434
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I do this all the time.

1435
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's just just the dome piece.

1436
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: How many people when you go.

1437
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: To like I shine if I just let the lights shine.

1438
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: How many people when you go to fights ask you

1439
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: about it.

1440
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: I've had people offer to buy my hats like many times,

1441
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: like multiple times I have I'm not joking, like I'll

1442
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: be walking. I've had this happen multiple times where somebody's like,

1443
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: then they're serious, They like they want to buy your hat.

1444
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: It's like they wanted as a souvenir.

1445
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 3: I should start bringing extra hats, That's what I should

1446
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: start doing.

1447
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Don't you have extra hats in your bag?

1448
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: I have, I have one from today, Yes, because you

1449
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: know you sweat on the walk in here.

1450
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure. How long you've been wearing that hat?

1451
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: This one particular what I'm saying, hats like this.

1452
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: So I uh, when I first wore these little flat caps,

1453
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 3: like it goes, it goes probably back to like twenty ten,

1454
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: like honestly, because nobody was wearing the flat cap, nobody

1455
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: was really wearing them.

1456
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: I just kind of put it on.

1457
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: For one of the events or something like that, and

1458
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: it just created a monster.

1459
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: Man now here we are due.

1460
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: It created an identity. Yeah, now everybody does and everyone

1461
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: knows you for it and shit.

1462
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1463
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: Now normally what Brian Campbell does shocker that what I

1464
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: bring to the show is dissected. He brings typically slapstick. Yeah,

1465
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: he loves dude, Brian Campbell loves I'm not above it.

1466
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: I like it too.

1467
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: He can't.

1468
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: He loves you.

1469
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: Know how they always talk about like good writing is

1470
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: like actually in your restraint. I feel like the kid

1471
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: has no restraint. He has a ninety what I ready

1472
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: had ninety ninety different nineties references.

1473
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: By now, I refuse yeah, you gave me z I

1474
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: can't play the drum game. So back there, Jay, are

1475
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: we doing the what is this ship? No? I can't

1476
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: hear you. Okay, no tip to tip?

1477
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: Did you just watch that? I was like, I couldn't

1478
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: believe you guys went in for the tip to tip thing.

1479
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: Tell the audiences because you were there for How long

1480
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: has Brian Campbell wanted to talk about two dudes touching dicks?

1481
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: He's won of He's literally talked about it to us

1482
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: at least for months, months, months.

1483
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: It went on for months. It was a joke that

1484
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: he loved it actually got uncomfortable because it's super uncomfortable.

1485
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: Was always trying.

1486
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Today that is today to day, Luke, No, it's not

1487
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: the fun today are you doing?

1488
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 2: It's just like when the dogs that goes out to

1489
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: your leg.

1490
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: He would turn to me after he talked to you,

1491
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: and I always, hey, don't look at me either, fellow.

1492
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: He would honestly he would take it and be like,

1493
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 3: I love though this show. We finally found his platform.

1494
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: We could actually show the visual because that cat has

1495
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: been holding onto it for a while.

1496
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: I missed him. He'll be back next week and uh,

1497
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: by the way, we have to do the beer testing

1498
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: it week. Are you a New England beer guy? Are

1499
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: you as high on New England bear?

1500
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: I mean I went through a nice phase of it.

1501
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: I've been to all the good brew houses, man, you know,

1502
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 3: the Treehouse, the New England one. I've been to all

1503
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: of them. And at some point I can't do it

1504
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: as much as I used to, So I think I've

1505
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: lost some appreciation for it over time.

1506
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: But I've had I've had my moments real quickly, odds

1507
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: and ends.

1508
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: What you got for me? Uh?

1509
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: You know what I was gonna shout out to, Uh,

1510
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: you know Megan Anderson who came back. I don't know

1511
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: if you guys saw like she was basically admitting that

1512
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: she had a lot of doubts and she was kind

1513
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: of putting herself in a very vulnerable situation going into

1514
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: this fight. She was basically talking about how she doubted

1515
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 3: her own abilities and things like that, stuff that you

1516
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: don't really hear too many fighters talk about, not at

1517
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: this juncture of her of a career that young. But

1518
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 3: she was able to show up and you know, get

1519
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: a victory at the at UFC two forty three. And

1520
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: I like it when you see somebody who has that

1521
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: kind of emotional outpouring like it means that much, like

1522
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: somehow they communicated just the hell they've gone through. She

1523
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: let out three or four screams afterward and was in

1524
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: tears afterwards, and you couldn't help but feel for her,

1525
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: how how profoundly this win meant for her, even though

1526
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: most people probably didn't even know who her opponent was

1527
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 3: though Santo or de Santo Sino, Yes, and uh, you know,

1528
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: because she was making her UFC debut, but it meant

1529
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: everything to her, and to do it in her home country,

1530
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty cool.

1531
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: So two of them, and I like to get into

1532
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: this with you. One would be Clarissa Shields. Yeah, was

1533
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: supposed to fight Evanna Habasin. Oh this is terrible. So

1534
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: the fight was supposed to be on showtime. The fight

1535
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: got canceled because at the weigh ends, the trainer of Habasin,

1536
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: I believe, got into some kind of disagreement with someone

1537
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: from Shields's camp. Anyway, that's not who attacked him, but

1538
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: the guy is sixty five years old or somewhere in

1539
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: that ballpark. Brutally, someone else in the way in attacked

1540
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: him and he had to get emergency surgery. Now I'm

1541
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: told you, I guess he's gonna be okay, but he

1542
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: had some facial lacerations and fractures. Somebody just stole on

1543
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: him then and then rolled out. Okay, first of all,

1544
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: it's a terrible that happened to this guy. It's terrible

1545
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: that this fight got canceled. The card went on, but

1546
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: that the main event essentially was lost. It's awful. But

1547
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about this before the show.

1548
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: Aren't you surprised that doesn't happen more often now? When

1549
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: they do it so for example, sometimes I've been to

1550
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: like a bellator or a UFC wigh in, and they'll

1551
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: do it at the arena. They'll cut off half of

1552
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: the arena and then we're on the stage and everything

1553
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: is kind of like controlled and insecurity. But if you

1554
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: go like a step down, like a fight night, bro,

1555
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: almost anybody can just wander into those things, true, man,

1556
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: Or if you're with a camp and you're like a

1557
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: satellite person, I am shocked this doesn't happen more often,

1558
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: To be quite candid with you, Or how about Connor McGregor,

1559
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: dude's in the MacLife, come on in after that media.

1560
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: Day I'm with you one hundred percent. I am surprised,

1561
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 3: and that actually occurred to me as this, you know,

1562
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 3: as the footage came out and the fight was canceled

1563
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: all that it occurred to me, I was like, I'm

1564
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: surprised that we don't see this more often. I mean,

1565
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: I was just in Mexico City for the UFC and

1566
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 3: it starts to reach attention level, you know, because it's

1567
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 3: the fight game. There's a vicarious element. So if people

1568
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: get ribbed up, they're drinking their beer. They you always

1569
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: see fights in the stands. You see people acting out

1570
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 3: doing stuff they would never do. You've seen this a

1571
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: million times. It's like people turn into you know, primitive

1572
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: a little bit when they're when they're around the fights,

1573
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: and in Mexico City, you know, just the results wrong

1574
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 3: go on their way and it have had that tension

1575
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: where it's it's something crazy could happen.

1576
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: There were beer is flying.

1577
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: It felt like something could crazy could happen. You've seen

1578
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: it in the Namaga Mata fight, like where you know,

1579
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 3: he jumps the cage and just for a minute, you're like,

1580
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: are we going to see a chaos in the you know,

1581
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: outside the cage? Where just a lot of weird things happen.

1582
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: You get into those very heated situations and you involve alcohol.

1583
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: I have no idea if alcohol was involved in this,

1584
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: but like, you just get people who get all revved up,

1585
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: and let's face it, man, our demographics sometimes is not

1586
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 3: the most sophisticated group of people. So I am surprised

1587
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: that we don't see more of that. I don't want

1588
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: to see more of that, but I am surprised we

1589
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: haven't traditionally seen more of that type of thing.

1590
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: What's the scariest way and you've ever been to like

1591
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: where the tension.

1592
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: Was just nuts? Man?

1593
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: Like, Now in retrospect, people like, why didn't they have

1594
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: an audience there for Connor versus a beeB? Thank god

1595
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, thank god they didn't because can you

1596
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: imagine that.

1597
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 3: Would be the one? I mean, there are things like that.

1598
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: That fight had such a dark fuel over it, man.

1599
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: I just felt like and.

1600
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: This, and this is the crazy part about it. That

1601
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: one you could kind of telegraphy, like you knew that

1602
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: was going to be ugly. Probably this one, Okay, it

1603
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: was spirited back and forth, but there was no indication

1604
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: during fight week that this was going to lead to this. No,

1605
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the scariest one I ever

1606
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: went to. I wouldn't say it was scary, but like

1607
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: because both guys were pros. But back when I talk

1608
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: about all the time, I saw a mere Con fight

1609
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: lamon Peterson and they had the way in in this tiny,

1610
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: little but it's very famous library right downtown in Washington,

1611
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: d C. And but when I say library, it's like

1612
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: marble floor and marble fucking ceilings. It was like there's

1613
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: a regal thing and it was packed to the rafters.

1614
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: And that was when Khan's army used to follow him.

1615
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: There were these guys that would go wherever a mirror

1616
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: Khan went. Andy'd be like hey, h Ay and con

1617
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: Con all the time. And they showed up and then

1618
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: all of Peterson's people there, and then all like the

1619
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: DC donks were there, Yeah, and they were shouting at

1620
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: each other man and then he got a like a

1621
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: controversial decision, and then they all came to the press conference.

1622
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: It was it was I didn't feel in danger, but

1623
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: I was like, one wrong move here and I'm just

1624
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: gonna set the whole thing.

1625
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: So it's being held that the seems you know, did

1626
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: you watch the Maradona Not yet.

1627
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: I can't stand Diego Maradona.

1628
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, whether you do or not, this that film

1629
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: does an excellent job without like having a narrator and stuff,

1630
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: just letting action dictate the flow of it.

1631
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: It's it's really interesting.

1632
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 3: But seeing those crowds, seeing the crowds and the kind

1633
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 3: of the way people act, I was like, I had

1634
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: a whole different appreciation for soccer fans because I was like, man, bro,

1635
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 3: there are times where that looks like it's like, just

1636
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: like what we're talking about. It seems like it is

1637
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: on Razor's edge to buzz over into something really crazy

1638
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 3: and went.

1639
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, once like the toothpases out of

1640
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: the tube on that thing, it affects how they go

1641
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: forward from that point on. But I teld the story

1642
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: all the time I went the first time I went

1643
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: to Columbia for vacation, not yeah next week and get

1644
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: you yeah, I know, well it's not that far, so

1645
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: it's actually shorter to get there than it used to

1646
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: go to California for me. Wow. In any event, I

1647
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: remember the first time I went to l Camping, which

1648
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: is their major stadium in Bogata, and I saw the

1649
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: home team that my family, my in laws cheer for.

1650
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: I had no choice in this matter, people will imagine.

1651
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: And I noticed that there were like the fan supporters,

1652
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: they call them the bar of Bravos on this side

1653
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: of the stadium. I had like right in the middle.

1654
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: And then I looked over and because the team they

1655
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: were playing on, say Kyldas, had a completely different color scheme,

1656
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: and there was another bar of Brava with the exact

1657
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: same colors as the home team, And I go, are

1658
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: they why are they both the same color because my

1659
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: assumption was there cheating for opposite teams. And it was

1660
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: explained to me they both cheer for the same team.

1661
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: They have to be put on opposite ends of the

1662
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: stadium and they have to enter and I did see

1663
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: this the person. They have to enter one by one

1664
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: under police escort. Why they get searched. And they had

1665
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: to put them on opposite as a team because they

1666
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: used to put the two bar of Bravas together and

1667
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: it was nothing but fistfights constantly and stabbings and shit,

1668
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, so they had they do they cheer for

1669
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: the same team, and the opposite ends of the stadium

1670
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: he does weird ship to people.

1671
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1672
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, as soon as you start to identify to the

1673
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: point where your relevance and your identity is fixed through

1674
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: something you're watching, you can see how that might happen.

1675
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. So again, if you do like a big, big press,

1676
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: I feel like the bigger the weigh ins, the safer. Yeah,

1677
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: the more mid range, I agree. Win again yeah whatever,

1678
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: And then also lastly, uh, on my odds and ends,

1679
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: Lorenz Larkin got a nice win over Andre Khorskov at

1680
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: Belitour two twenty nine, not the biggest event in the world,

1681
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: but he now has wins over Fernando Gunzara.

1682
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: Very quietly there in this weekend.

1683
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: Fuck, here's what's so funny about Lorenz Larkin. He beats

1684
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: Fernando Gonzalez, Ion Pascu and that orangere Khorskov. That's following

1685
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: up the wins. This should be the losses to Douglas

1686
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: Lan what't you canna understand? But then he lost to

1687
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 1: Paul Daily. Do you remember when he left the UFC

1688
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: he had beaten in a row Jorge Masvidal and Neil

1689
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: Magni and then he made the jump to Belatore and

1690
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: you thought this is his breakout moment. Now, he did

1691
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: get a nice win. He's got three in a row,

1692
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 1: fair enough, But I feel like the reasons why he

1693
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: left UFC. I don't have to talk to him to

1694
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: be sure. Yeah, I don't know that they have materialized

1695
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: for him.

1696
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 3: That's It's It's very funny you say that because I

1697
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: remember talking to him and during that last stretch, and

1698
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 3: he was pretty displeased with the way he, you know,

1699
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: did his star power wasn't bigger, that he wasn't being

1700
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 3: marketed correctly, and things like that, and to be in

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01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 3: a situation where he went over to you know, he

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01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 3: didn't perform, like you mentioned, he did not perform well.

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01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: But to be on a winning streak and basically have

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 3: a fight come up that went completely under the raidar

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people actually watch that fight.

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01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 3: It's kind of like he's stuck in the same same situation.

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Speaker 1: I think he's earned himself a bigger shot now now

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01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: that he's got three in a row, but it's like,

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, two steps forward, three steps back from this

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01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: guy a little bit. So I hope he he's still

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: a dynamic and exciting and by the way, the fight

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: was super awesome. Yeah, it was action packed. But yeah,

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01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: I remember talking to him at that belt or NYC

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: presser being like, He's like, dude, this is why I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I want to be on stage like this. That's right

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: back to Thackerville, you know what I'm saying. All Right, man,

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: it's nice seeing you. Good seeing you man all the

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: old day and you know what I'm saying, You're back

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: to you.

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01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 2: Nola Gay comes by here, man, We'll be okay.

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Speaker 1: We'll be fine. No mo abs reached down far into

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: the earth like this. So I think Brian's going to

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: be back next week and then after that we're gonna

1724
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: have to figure something out because I'm not going to

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01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: be here. But you're our guy, man. We love having

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: you on the SATs Man and it's always good to

1727
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: catch up with you if you How can folks get

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01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: in touch with you social media?

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: I set my phone number.

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01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 3: No, social media is just at Chuckmanton Hollen on Twitter,

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 3: So that's pretty That's pretty much all I use.

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01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: I have an Instagram, but I don't really go to

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01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: it too.

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I am at Luke Thomas News on Instagram. L

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Speaker 1: Thomas News on Twitter. By the way, here's what's most

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01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: important We need you to like this video. We need

1737
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: you to subscribe to the channel. We're on our own

1738
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: channel now. We're making steady progress. I'm really happy with it,

1739
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: and we've got to keep that train rolling though, So

1740
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: spread this around to anybody who needs to see it.

1741
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: We appreciate everyone who watches and contributes and all that

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01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: kind of good stuff. All right, any parting words, see you,

1743
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: Thanks Winston Churchill. That was really moving all right. For

1744
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: Chuck been in Hall and mister Brian who is on vacation.

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01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, all of your games