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Speaker 3: Welcome in, Welcome in to the Late Round Fantasy Football

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that you're working your butt off

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff yeah that were happening from a customer

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Speaker 1: service standpoint. I'm excited because you know, the episode that

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Speaker 1: So this is not, like like I said last week,

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Speaker 1: But what we are trying to do is give you

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Speaker 1: your fantasy drafts, with your in season stuff, all that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, so so market score is something

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Speaker 1: It's it's more in intuitive to say I know how

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Speaker 3: The craziest thing is that people knew this was happening,

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm most I'm really so like.

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Speaker 2: See you don't have I don't.

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Speaker 1: see the logic for both teams, and I want to

439
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 1: say this two things. Number One, the way this trade

440
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: was formulated, I think is the way that dynasty managers

441
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: can think about any of their trades for a big

442
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 1: name player. Right, if you're going after a Josh Allen

443
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: and super flex or whatever the case may be, try

444
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: to get a tier down or two in return of

445
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: a proven asset while also getting that draft capital instead

446
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: of only getting that draft capital. So that's why I

447
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 1: think them getting Verse is interesting. Now, he's not in

448
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: the same universe as Miles Garrett, because no one is.

449
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: But he's a very young, productive, you know, Pro Bowl caliber,

450
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, all Pro potentially caliber player that you know

451
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: it is certainly a good return as an asset, and

452
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: then obviously they get the picks on top of that.

453
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing. Think about that with your dynasty.

454
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: I almost said it's a great dynasty trade, like, yeah,

455
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: it is.

456
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 2: It is.

457
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: The second thing I want to say is I've seen

458
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about the ty Simpson pick and

459
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 1: people have said this makes the ty Simpson pick look

460
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: worse after the fact. To me, it makes a ty

461
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: Simpson pick look better because they knew or they you know,

462
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: they know at least now, or maybe they had this idea.

463
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: Who knows what they knew then, but they they don't.

464
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: They don't need the capital in next year's draft to

465
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: get a quarterback because they got their quarterback this year,

466
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: and they were in a position to get a quarterback

467
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: this year. No, say what you want about them reaching

468
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: for ty Simpson whatever, you know, I.

469
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: Get all that.

470
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: But if their evaluation said this guy is really good

471
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: and we can get him now, while also at that

472
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: point not having that contract with Stafford and maybe not

473
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: knowing as much about what's going on with Stafford, h

474
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 1: to me, it makes more sense that they would be

475
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: doing this because of that ty Simpson pick. As opposed to, Oh,

476
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: they could have had someone in win now mode right

477
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: now and blah blah blahlah. Like I think that they're

478
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: doing the right thing to to win now and also

479
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: win in the future.

480
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, doing the old Patriots saying, having their cake and

481
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,479
Speaker 3: eat it too. Yeah, Okay, can we get to Milik Neighbors.

482
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, let's talk about the Milak Neighbors.

483
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 3: His leg does not his knee does not look good. Uh,

484
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: there's the big thing. Was hit was at a charity

485
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 3: softball tournament. Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, man,

486
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: he he just does not look comfortable on that knee.

487
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: I haven't touched.

488
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: Him the pivot you were, Yeah, because you were drafting

489
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: him a little bit before, Like Malik Neighbors. Yeah, he's

490
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: fallen to this second into the second round, beginning of

491
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: the third and now it's like he just can't like you,

492
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch that falling knife now, I'm sometimes I

493
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: just don't think it's worth it, you know, Like I

494
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: get the logic of like you're getting. You know, you

495
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: could easily get a value here, and same thing with

496
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: like Rashid Rice to a degree, like you can you

497
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: can get this value.

498
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: But there's so much up in the.

499
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: Air that that I just don't see it as necessary

500
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: because the delts, like even if you get eighty to

501
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: ninety percent of that player with another player, right, like

502
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: you're getting you know, DeVante Smith instead of Molik Neighbors.

503
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: Let's say that eighty to ninety percent in the reight,

504
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: like you can number one still advance very easily in

505
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Best Ball, right if you're if you're getting eighty to

506
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: ninety percent of that like peak production from the other guys.

507
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, in the Best Ball playoffs,

508
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of variants where one guy

509
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: can outscore the other one pretty easily. So why are

510
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: we forcing this issue when there's already this known problem,

511
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: you know, with with that player.

512
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: So I I you.

513
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: Know, the opportunity, I don't know where it would need

514
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: to he would need to fall for me to like

515
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: want to make the click. That's a that's a question

516
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: that I probably would need to like sit down for

517
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: an hour and like think about it while I'm you know,

518
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: zoned out and just like only focused on that one question.

519
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: But I think the answer is just like generally speaking,

520
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be drafting a player like Neighbors

521
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: right now.

522
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: And look if I'm if.

523
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't get that value, you know that the CLV

524
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: from him, you know, as this as the season, as

525
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: the summer ends, I don't think it's the end of

526
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the world because there are other good players that are

527
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: being drafted around him.

528
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look, I don't know if this is

529
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: smoke or not. But the Giants, the Giant Unks, they

530
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 3: have signed now Loodell Beckham, They've signed Juju Smith, Schuster's

531
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: Shuster and Braxton Barios.

532
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

533
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: I made the joke that and chat and discord that

534
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: Malachi Field. They see a week of Malachi Fields and

535
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: are already going out and signing other veterans because the

536
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: model didn't love malackye Field. But all jokes aside, it's

537
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: clearly a you know, to me, they need a little

538
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: bit more depth. They need some that that veteran presence.

539
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: If Molik Neighbors isn't going to be ready to start

540
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: the season, you know, should they have gone after Obj?

541
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean Obj has the Harbaugh connection a little bit.

542
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: You know that he coached him for a minute there

543
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. And then obviously there's the Giants connection.

544
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: With OBJ. You know, Juju Smith Schuster played in the

545
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: same division as Harba. Like there there's always those.

546
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: Connections when teams make make moves and to like head

547
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: coaches and staffs and stuff like that.

548
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, We'll see what ends up happening.

549
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm not really that that into I mean, I wouldn't

550
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: be drafting either of those guys from a best ball standpoint.

551
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: I still I will say I've been drafting a decent

552
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: amount of Darnell Mooney just because I'm I think I'm

553
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: a Mooney truther based on last season and the way

554
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: that some people were coming after me as like recommending

555
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: him as a as an ad over and over again

556
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: throughout the season. It was an l I was wrong,

557
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: But I do think that like he fits a a

558
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: mold here that that the Giants could at least give

559
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: like a fifteen to seventeen percent target shair or something

560
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: at least early on in the season.

561
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna switch to Brandon Ayuk. Not being subtle.

562
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: This is these visuals that you're bringing out his Instagram account.

563
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: I want you to see who he's following. The biggest brand,

564
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: which is his own brand indeed is his wife and

565
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 3: then the other the only other two accounts he's following

566
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders and Jaden Daniels.

567
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's he's just putting it out there

568
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: in the universe, man. I mean it's uh yeah, I

569
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: mean I I think that that it could very easily happen.

570
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: You know, they've they've already gone. You know, there's like

571
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: Rashad White who they signed.

572
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, if they if they get ayukh they could

573
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: have this little little Arizona State reunion going on.

574
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

575
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: Uh in Washington. Uh, you know, we we've talked about this.

576
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: I think Ayuk would fit really well.

577
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: I think Booty is someone that could fit well there too,

578
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: if if they want to down you know, not go

579
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: to like that extent.

580
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: But I would.

581
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Imagine if they think they can control what's going on

582
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: with Brandon Ayuk and bring that in a little bit.

583
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean a Yuk's a great wide receiver when he's

584
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: healthy and there and and and active, So he would

585
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: work really well in tandem with with Terry McLaurin for sure.

586
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: I just you just never know. It's a volatile situation

587
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: right now, all right. You mentioned trade and this guy

588
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: is a trade candidate. This could be fun comani about

589
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: l potentially a trade candidate.

590
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: I didn't look into that report. Was it a beat writer?

591
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: Do you know?

592
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Just like yeah, yeah.

593
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean like I feel like in situations like that,

594
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: it's often like, oh, they.

595
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: Decided this makes sense kind of.

596
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is a this is a logical thing

597
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: to do based on what he did last year. Okay,

598
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: you had a good season last year and they got

599
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: Keaton Mitchell. But I would say, you know, there are

600
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: teams out there that could use a Kamani Videl type player.

601
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: But I would say, and if you want to throw

602
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: that dart.

603
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: In bastball, just on the off chance, because he could

604
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: have usability even without the trade at times. But I

605
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: would say that this feels like a situation where the

606
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: Chargers would not be willing to do that as much

607
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: as what a fan or a beat writer might think.

608
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Because a Marion Hampton already was banged up last year.

609
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna carry a big workload this year,

610
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: for sure, but he was already banged up last year.

611
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Keith Mitchell's not a big dude. Like I've been drafting

612
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: a ton of Keaton Mitchell. I called him out on

613
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: becoming a best ball bro as one of the guys

614
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: that I have a lot of exposure to. But he's

615
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: not a big dude who's going to carry a massive workload.

616
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: So they need they still need a player that has

617
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: proven ability to carry that.

618
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: And to me, that's still Commandie bidel So on a team.

619
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: That is hoping to go the distance this year who's

620
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: very talented.

621
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily see it happen.

622
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Okay, this one MHJ Marvin Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson

623
00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: the next PUKA in DeVante because those were from Matt

624
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 3: floor rather that Yeah, Mike that he got from the

625
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: press conference yesterday, and so I'm wondering, who's who's the

626
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: Matt stafford of that.

627
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.

628
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Problem like that, Like we can there was a time

629
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: period in the fantasy football space, like the twenty fifteen

630
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen time frame where coordinator analysis like this

631
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: was very very popular. You know, like this guy is

632
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: playing this player's role, therefore he will see a lot

633
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: of volume and do really well. I think there's something

634
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: to it at a high level schematically, if you know

635
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: a team like we've been talking about the Chargers, right.

636
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm very high on lad mcconkeye. I think Qj's a

637
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: decent pick, and I have a ton of Trey Harris.

638
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: Right.

639
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: And the reason for that, though, is because Mike McDaniel

640
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: has approven offense number one. But also he doesn't run

641
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of eleven personnel and he hasn't at least

642
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: over the last four years. And when that's the case,

643
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: wide receivers tend to get more hyper targeted in those

644
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: scenarios because they're competing for targets with other tight ends

645
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: or you know, non wide receivers, and that just boosts

646
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: their overall efficiency and effectiveness. It's part of the reason.

647
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, Drake London is a very very good player.

648
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: But I use this example all the time. When he

649
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: played with Arthur Smith, a heavy personnel you know, coordinator.

650
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: Uh, he was seeing.

651
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: Really great yards prout run numbers immediately in his in

652
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: his NFL career because he was the only viable wide

653
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: receiver oftentimes that's that was on the field for Atlanta, Right.

654
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: And so you can look at it at a high

655
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: level for sure, uh and say, oh, by.

656
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: The way, this is d a v for DeVante Adams.

657
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna fix that one real quick.

658
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: There's Adams, DeVante Parker and.

659
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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot Yeah that was that was

660
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: the DeVante Parker spelling almost capitalized to be that there's

661
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, but yeah, Like like this right here,

662
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: you could say they're going to play the roles, you know,

663
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have uh.

664
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Speaker 2: Marvin Rison Junior be the Okay, that's what Devanta Adams plays.

665
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have Wilson be sort of that move piece

666
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: and be the z with what which is what Pooka

667
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: has done. But Puka Coup is a special talent. Devanta

668
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Adams is a special talent. Marvin Rrison Junior is not

669
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: proven that yet, and Michael Wilson definitely hasn't proven that yet,

670
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, despite what people think in the fantasy space

671
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: because he got a lot of volume last year, you know,

672
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that from these wide receivers.

673
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: And then you don't have Sean mcvaigh and you don't

674
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: have Matthew Stafford.

675
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, we can't just make this a

676
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: one to one thing that if Michael Wilson's playing the

677
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Pooka role, that's gonna make him more valuable in fantasy

678
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: football because he's playing this role that that player was

679
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: really valuable. And guess what, guys, Pookinakua is one of

680
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: the best wide receivers that we've seen in the last

681
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: two decades. You know, you can't just assume that Michael

682
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Wilson is going to be able to do that. I

683
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: think Michael Wilson's a good player. I think Marvin Harrison

684
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: Junior has a lot of upside, But I would not

685
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: use Pokin a Coop and Devanta Adams to justify my

686
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: stance with those players.

687
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: Ok, we've got more of this Chris Rodriguez smoke with

688
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: this injury. Uh there was a guy e Underscore Dilla

689
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: who's a big Jags beat, and someone asking about trades

690
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: and he said, the only trade I could see, I mean,

691
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: the only move I could potentially see coming is for

692
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: a running back since Rodriguez foot is messed up. Yeah,

693
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: we haven't really seen too much about We've had, uh,

694
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: you know, go and talk about just wait for the

695
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: injury report to type deal, but we don't know what's

696
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: going on there. And excuse me if I'm a little

697
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: hesitant to draft a running back with foot issues after

698
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: the whole mix and debacle.

699
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Speaker 1: As I've been saying for the last year, kitchen all

700
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: roads lead to besh all Touton. Yeah, uh no, I mean, look,

701
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: it's a I could I could see I could see

702
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: them trading for like an Alvin Kamara, Like I think

703
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: that's that's in the range here. The problem though, is

704
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: that I think they really like the three that they

705
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: have when Hell like the Tutan, Chris Rodriguez, la Quinn

706
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: Allen trio.

707
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: This to me helps Tuton tremendously, like more than la

708
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Quinn Allen.

709
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I talked about la Quinn Allen on the mailbag last week,

710
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, mentioning how he just hasn't been ah, you know,

711
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: and he was not used as an early down guy

712
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: at all last year. And that's why the upside isn't

713
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: the same as a player like Tuton. I like l

714
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Quinn Allen does that model. Loved Laquinn Allen. It's just

715
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: also liked Bahell Tuton a good bit. So yeah, this

716
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: is this is something that we have to monitor for sure.

717
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: You don't like these random injuries that are kind of

718
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: vague and we don't know a ton about this time

719
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: of year. Definitely got to monitor it and hopefully it

720
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: doesn't change, you know, basehell Tuton's ADP, and then I

721
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: would probably at this point be pushing Chris Rodriguez.

722
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: Down at least a couple of rounds.

723
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: You know.

724
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're if you're doing best ball drafts right.

725
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: Now, and he's already not you know, he's not the

726
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: most ceiling player that you're going to draft, So okay,

727
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 3: we've got to move on. I just want to note

728
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: that mackay Lemon, already being held out with the hamstring injury,

729
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: appears to be okay. Uh, Pickens hasn't reported yet.

730
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: To Pickens, might be this might be a up to

731
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the season type situation with Pickens.

732
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: Then I'm a little bit nervous about that. That's the

733
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that market scores is not gonna be

734
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: able to cap.

735
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone actually mentioned that in the Jet that there

736
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: is no you know, there is no like Pickens column

737
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: from right right, and then Drake London got the bag.

738
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: Good for Drake London. He's a he's a he's a

739
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: late round guy, you know.

740
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: In terms of of I feel like I've touted him

741
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: basically every year that he's been in the league.

742
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: So good for Drake London. I'm proud of him.

743
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: He's he was a good prospect and he's been He's

744
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: been pretty dominant in the NFL. Today's data got some

745
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: quarterback hit rates by previous season rushing points per game. Yeah,

746
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: this is something I had in the draft gude last year,

747
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: but I've kind of refreshed the numbers and I'm looking

748
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: at it a little bit differently, and I think it's

749
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: just such a glaring and insane not like they're just

750
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: it's just such a crazy way to look at this

751
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: and to like wrap your head around this that I

752
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: wanted to share. Okay, So what this table showing is

753
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: points per game threshold, so eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one

754
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: to twenty two, and then it shows how frequently these

755
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: two different buckets were able to hit those points per

756
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: game thresholds. Right, So the one bucket is QB one

757
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: to six by ADP when their previous season rushing points

758
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: per game was two or fewer. Okay, these are pocket

759
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: passer quarterbacks who were drafted QB one to six. I'm

760
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: not looking at this versus ADP expectation. I'm looking at

761
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: this as purely how well they performed regardless of costs.

762
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: Okay. Now you look at QB seven to QB eighteen

763
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: by ADP.

764
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: Okay, so these guys are going getting drafted in the

765
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: double digit rounds often you know some of them in

766
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: the in the single digit rounds. So these are QB

767
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: seven to QB eighteen since twenty fourteen with four or

768
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: more rushing points per game in the previous season. So

769
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Speaker 1: one bucket is top six quarterbacks by ADP with less

770
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: than two rushing point per game in the previous season.

771
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: The second bucket is QB seven to QB eighteen with

772
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: four or more rushing points per game in the previous season.

773
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: The players who were drafted later, tremendously later have higher ceilings.

774
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: They hit twenty one twenty two points per game at

775
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: a higher rate than the QB one to QB six

776
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: pocket passers. Right, And then if you look at eighteen

777
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: to twenty, the numbers really aren't that far off. I mean,

778
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a very similar looking profile. So what this says

779
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: is essentially, if you're looking at a QB two high

780
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: end QB two in that range, who has mobility, who

781
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: in the previous season proved to hit that like four

782
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: plus point per game mark with his legs. He is

783
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: a better bet, or just as good of a bet,

784
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: I should say, as the quarterback who didn't do that,

785
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: who was not mobile the previous season, but is being

786
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: drafted in the top six now. Obviously quarterbacks who are

787
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: drafted in the top six these days, the market's getting smarter.

788
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: There's not as many you know, I guarantee you in

789
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Matthew Stafford this year would have been like

790
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: a would have been like the QB five right by ADP.

791
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: But you know he's more like the QB thirteen to

792
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: fifteen or something like that. And so the market is

793
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: getting smarter. But if you run into these situations, you know,

794
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: we we've run into it before.

795
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: CJ.

796
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Stroud had a really high ADP, you know, a couple

797
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: of years ago. I think Joe Burrow consistently is a

798
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: little bit like just a little bit too high from

799
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: an ADP perspective. It's different in best ball with Burrow

800
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: because you're stacking and stuff like that.

801
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 3: But he's fallen like seventeen spots since last year too.

802
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: Right, right, So like I think people are catching on

803
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: to that as well.

804
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: But again, if you're in a you know, home league,

805
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: where people are going to undoubtedly reach for Matthew Stafford.

806
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: I think Stafford is this year is like Baker Mayfield

807
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: for me, Jared Goff for me. You know, where last

808
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: year those guys were just screaming regression candidates. And you know,

809
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Goff lost two points per game year over year, more than.

810
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Two or Mayfield.

811
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: You know, you could say it was the injury, but

812
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: he was never going to sustain what he did the

813
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: year before that, and he certainly didn't. And Joe Burrow,

814
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: even like Burrow, was another regression candidate, and while his

815
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: touchdown rate didn't really regress, he did see fewer points

816
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: per game. Now he got hurt obviously, so it was

817
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: all kind of a weird season for him. But I

818
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: do think that he would be like one of the callouts,

819
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, in this group, And I'm honestly a part

820
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: of me is still worried a little bit about Drake

821
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: may But he has more rushing to his profile than

822
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys do, so you don't have

823
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: to be that that concerned. But it's still interesting nonetheless,

824
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't apply as heavily to this twenty

825
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: twenty sixth season.

826
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: It's the late round main event, all right, rookies to

827
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: target and redraft. That's the meat and potatoes of this

828
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: And starting with Jordan Tyson.

829
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan Tyson shocker. You know, highest ZAPP score a

830
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: wide receiver this year. For me, I think that he's

831
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: a very good player. The injury concerns are certainly there,

832
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: so we have to be a little bit worried. But uh,

833
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: there have been ten wide receivers drafted in rounds five

834
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: to ten as rookies with ZAP scores above ninety. That's

835
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: the news app, you know, the new iteration of the

836
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: ZAPP model with the scaling of the scores. Six of

837
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: those ten outperformed ADP expectation. Okay, that's good and like

838
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: it at least is better than average. Four of them

839
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: outperform ADP expectation by three or more PPR points per game,

840
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: which is insane.

841
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: That a forty percent rate of doing that is pretty crazy.

842
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: The average wide receiver in that group outperformed expectation by

843
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: two PPR points per game. So based on where he's

844
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: going right now, his market score is very strong. For

845
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: what it's worth, I think he's a really good pick.

846
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: You get a fast paced Kellen Moore offense. The only

847
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: wide receiver in his way is Chris Alave, and I think,

848
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: like I've been saying, I think he works.

849
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: Well with a Lave. A Lave is good against Man.

850
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a little bit deeper route

851
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: tree from a Lave this year, while Tyson is able

852
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: to kind of work the shorter and intermediate areas, which

853
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: could end up being like a PPR. We'll see what happens,

854
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: but I think that's in his range of outcomes in

855
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: that Saints offense.

856
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: S Lance Thomas point two point zero. Yeah, we'll see,

857
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: uh all right. Last week we had Pollard fall on

858
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: the avoids list, made up for it because Nick Singleton

859
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: is the next rookie to target and redrafted.

860
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm on an island with Tony Pollard,

861
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: by the way, because I've seen a lot of analysts

862
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: say that he's got like league winning upside and and

863
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and like I that's.

864
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: What I told you last week.

865
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: It made me nervous, but I also respect that you're

866
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: putting it out there because you want to target those

867
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: type of guys.

868
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: It's just not from a process standpoint, I don't think

869
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: he's that great of a pick, like I don't think,

870
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that his ADP is gonna

871
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: steam up as we get more and more reports of

872
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: like him being the clear lead in that backfield, you.

873
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: Know, like really the Titans offense like being good.

874
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like it's gonna it's gonna make Tony

875
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Pollard fall more in that like Trayvion bashall Tuton range

876
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: than he is.

877
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: Right now.

878
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: That's that's what my fear is with Poul. But and

879
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: right now, I don't think it's like, you know, it's whatever.

880
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily going after Poller that much. But I

881
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: don't think it's like that big of a deal in

882
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: best ball. But I'm just worried about what it could

883
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: look like in season long later this summer. I do

884
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: like Nick Singleton though, like he's he's he's third on

885
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: that depth chart. You know, you have Spears and Pollard

886
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: ahead of him. But Pollard, like we said last week,

887
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: poor previous season yards pro out run, he was below

888
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: average and yards over expected per rush. He's twenty nine

889
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: years old. Taj Spears can't stay healthy. He's not doing

890
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: much on early downs and then you have Brian Dable

891
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: as offensive coordinator. You know, you could say what you

892
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: want about Nick Singleton being a Day three pick, but

893
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Brian Dable the last two years, Tyrone, Tracy and Cam Scataboo,

894
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: he's used two Day three running backs, as you know,

895
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily, like you know, Tracy wasn't like an insane

896
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: bell cow, but he was seeing a lot of work,

897
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: like he gave him a shot like and and you

898
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: know there were some injuries that allowed some of.

899
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: This stuff to happen.

900
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: But I do think that they're going to have an

901
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: open mind about Nick Singleton, like if he's if he's

902
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: got it right, then they'll then they'll end up using him.

903
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: I thought Singleton was a good prospect.

904
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: He had a low risk draft capital delta, which means

905
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: the model liked him a lot more than where he

906
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: was actually drafted. He had a really strong receiving profile

907
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: at a good size and with athleticism. I do think

908
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: that there is an out here where he's like CJ.

909
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: Prosises or like, you know, maybe a little bit more

910
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: favorably Tevin Coleman, like that kind of player where the

911
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: athleticism is crazy and the pass catching chops seem to

912
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: be there, but it just never clicks for that player.

913
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: You know, like the game isn't as natural for those

914
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: guys as it is for some other guys that have

915
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, lower numbers of worse receiving work or or

916
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, aren't as athletic. But I'm going to chase

917
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: the upside with a player like Singleton. I just think

918
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: that he's a like he had good age, justin production

919
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: throughout college, shared a backfield with another Day three pick

920
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: in k Tron Allen. I'm intrigued by what Nick Singleton

921
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: might be able to do as early as year one

922
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: in this Titan's offense.

923
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

924
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 3: I love Taj Spears, but keep in mind the guy

925
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: does not have any at one of his knees.

926
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: He's been hurt a lot.

927
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so all right, now on to Antonio Williams.

928
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously Brandon Ayuk or someone else

929
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: could go to Washington and kind of hurt Antonio Williams.

930
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: And I think at the very least, like if you're

931
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: getting him, you know, in round fifteen, round sixteen, the

932
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: best ball or a last round of a season long league,

933
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, like a regular home league, whatever it's not

934
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: a situation where like he's going to be a zero

935
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: for you and we're only drafting best Ball at this

936
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: point in the season. So you know, I don't think

937
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: that even if they get someone that Antonio Williams will

938
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be a zero.

939
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: Right, wasn't an incredible prospect. But remember earlier.

940
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: This offseason when we did the rookie stuff and looked

941
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: at Rookie Best Ball ADP, he was the one that

942
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: was most different from ADP to my rankings at that

943
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: point in time because the market didn't realize he was

944
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: going to be a Day two pick. In my opinion,

945
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: I think that's that was the reason for that. But

946
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: he's also like not a bad prospect. He was you know,

947
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: his top comp was Lad McConkey in the.

948
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: In the ZAP model.

949
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: You know, the production was good from an age adjusted perspective,

950
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: it just never like really peaked. But he was using

951
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. He's really versatile, and they're

952
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: already talking about him being both you know, the the

953
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: slot and the z you know in that in that offense,

954
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I'm I'm I am a fan

955
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: of maybe it's a maybe it's a Josh Johnson bias

956
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: after talking to him about this about the coordinator stuff.

957
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like liking what I'm hearing about from

958
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: from David Blou about how they're gonna be under center more,

959
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, more play action, more movement at the line,

960
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: just the stuff that we know works like this, just

961
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: the basic stuff that we wish other coordinators would just

962
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: do because we know that it's effective. And so uh

963
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: I I you know this, This team in general doesn't

964
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of solid, solidified players and playmakers other

965
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: than Terry McLaurin, which is why I like McLaurin a lot.

966
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: Part of the reason I.

967
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Think Antonio Williams could surprise and be like a decent

968
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: PPR option, And so I like him, and you know

969
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: where he's he's going right now. I'm sure if you're

970
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: using the late round rankings for best ball, then you're

971
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: getting a decent amount of him in your drafts right now.

972
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, the Eagles get rid of AJ Brown

973
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 3: and so you have mkayle lemon on this list.

974
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not there there are some people out there

975
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: who are like obsessed with McKayle lemon, like that he's

976
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: the clear wide receiver one in this class.

977
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm not there.

978
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: I think I think Tyson and Tate are better than

979
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: Makayle Lemon. But I like Lemon. I think that he's

980
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: a really good prospect. I don't think the Eagles draft

981
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: him in Round one and where they drafted him, you know,

982
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: to to just throw him in the slot when they

983
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: knew they were getting rid of of AJ Brown. It

984
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: just that just doesn't make that much sense to me.

985
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: And they're a smarter organization. But AJ Brown leaves behind

986
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: a twenty nine and a half percent target share. You know,

987
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: you have an improved offense without Kevin Patulo hopefully so,

988
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: I think Lemon has a legit shot to be the

989
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: number two target getter. And then there's injury upside. If

990
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: something happens you know, God or DeVante Smith or whomever,

991
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit of a slow play,

992
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, likely he might might not get that much

993
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: work to start the year, especially if this injury lingers

994
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: to some degree.

995
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: But I could see him being one of those like

996
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: second half.

997
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Crazy breakout type wide receivers rookie wide receivers this year.

998
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen some of the highlights

999
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: coming out of Nashville car.

1000
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: You've been filming it, You've been going, oh man, not

1001
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: filming it, but I've been consuming It's a one handed

1002
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: catch down the sideline and slow mote was a thing

1003
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: of beauty.

1004
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: But Carnal Tate's next on this list.

1005
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he didn't quite get to that nineties app score.

1006
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: He was just on the cusp. But he was just

1007
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, he was essentially like right there. So you

1008
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: can use some of the same you know logic with

1009
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson that I used earlier to apply to Carnell Tait.

1010
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: I think the biggest question with Tate has been is

1011
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: he gonna be a high volume getter in the NFL

1012
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: because he wasn't necessarily that in college. But there's a

1013
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: lack of competition there. One Robinson I think is a

1014
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: fine click in a good player. I've always had a

1015
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: soft spot for Wandell, but he's not like a massively

1016
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: high ceiling player more than likely, and so it's really

1017
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: that that's his biggest competition there. You have question marks elsewhere.

1018
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley hasn't been himself the last you know, for

1019
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: X amount of years. You know, gunner Helm, who knows

1020
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with him at tight end. I

1021
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: think he's a good like dart throw, but there's still

1022
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks there.

1023
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: There's a lot of question marks with cam Ward, you know.

1024
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: So I think Carnal Tay can be the wide receiver

1025
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: one and the biggest target getter in this offense this year.

1026
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: So that's great. Market score is also very high on him.

1027
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: There's been seventeen rookie wide receivers with positive market scores

1028
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred since twenty fourteen. So top

1029
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: one hundred by ADP, the average wide receiver in that

1030
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: group outperformed expectation by two point one points per game.

1031
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a player who market score is into.

1032
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: And again, market scorer for rookies is driven largely by

1033
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: what the ZAP model is saying and stuff, but and

1034
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: there's like competition stuff that's that's factored into that. But

1035
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: he is firmly in that range in that area where

1036
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: we have seen other rookie wide receivers hit in a

1037
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: pretty big way at that ADP. If he gets into

1038
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: like round four, no you don't want to be doing that.

1039
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: But I think he's, like I think people are gonna

1040
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: be scared off of rookies a little bit more this year,

1041
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: especially in home leagues and side.

1042
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: We're already seeing it. I mean, there's a legendary upside

1043
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: article or email that I saw this morning talking about

1044
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: where rookies have gone in the past. Compare like with

1045
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: their where they were drafted and where they've been going

1046
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: in the past, especially in Best Ball leagues, to where

1047
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: this rookie class is going.

1048
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I would be you look at.

1049
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: MH a couple of years ago, and.

1050
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would be interested to see to

1051
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: like overlays app score on top of that, to see

1052
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: because obviously this class is a little bit weaker and

1053
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: so you know that's going to dictate some of that stuff.

1054
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, like I anecdotally, I would say I.

1055
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: Agree like mackay Lemon, Carnel Taate, Jordan Tyson to me,

1056
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: they're all going like around too early ish, you know it.

1057
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: I think that once we get into our season long drafts,

1058
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: we're going to find that people are scared off of

1059
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: rookies based on sort of what happened last year, and

1060
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: we will see pretty good values for at least Carnel,

1061
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Tate and Jordan Tyson, probably even bigger for probably just

1062
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: as big for Makaye Lemon because people are just gonna

1063
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: be scared off of that offense and not giving it

1064
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: enough context and stuff.

1065
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: Okay, another one kind of in the next singleton tier

1066
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: for me, Jonah Coleman.

1067
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Coleman's ADP. I think that, Like I

1068
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: said before, it's so strange. I've gone on this like

1069
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: roller coaster with r J. Harvey this offseason, right like

1070
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: where to me he was a clear sell and then

1071
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, eh, you know his cost is falling a

1072
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe he's.

1073
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: More of a bye. I still think RJ.

1074
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Harvey right now in that backfield has the most upside

1075
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: at least for twenty twenty six, so he should have

1076
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: the highest ADP of the tr that's back there.

1077
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: JK.

1078
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: Dobbins was used last year primarily as an early down target,

1079
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: early down player without getting much work through the air. Okay,

1080
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: he's a four percent target share last year. Now you

1081
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: get Jodah Coleman, who's bigger. He's the biggest body that

1082
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: they have in that backfield who can pass, protect and

1083
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: play a receiving role. Sure, but I think he's more

1084
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: of a threat to JK Dobbins than he would be

1085
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: to RJ. Harvey in terms of scoring fantasy points and

1086
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: accumulating that volume in a really clear way. So I

1087
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: like getting Coleman because you're attaching him to an offense

1088
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: that should be pretty good.

1089
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: He's late. It's an ambiguous backfield.

1090
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 3: I was waiting for it. I was waiting for the

1091
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 3: ambiguous backfield because it really is, like I really ambiguous.

1092
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I means similar to Tennessee. It's an ambiguous blakefield situation.

1093
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: And so I'm one hundred percent gonna throw darts at

1094
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: backfield like that. I'm not going after JK dobb I

1095
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: don't think I drafted JK Dobbins at all yet because

1096
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: of the target share stuff, and I'm drafting on a

1097
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: full PPR platform, especially making that more questionable.

1098
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: You know.

1099
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: It's funny though, last year Dobbins was one of our dudes,

1100
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, where I had a ton of Dobbins.

1101
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: He was getting me through, especially in the early parts

1102
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: of the season.

1103
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: But this year, I just have a hard time thinking

1104
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: that adding Joonah Coleman is going to make JK. Dobbins

1105
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: more viable and fantasy and he wasn't. Like the reason

1106
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: that we look at what Dobbins did last year so

1107
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: favorably is because number one, he was more effective than R. J. Harvey, Sure,

1108
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: but number two is the cost was it was where

1109
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: we were drafting him. We're drafting him in like a

1110
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: similar ish place. I mean, he was even later I

1111
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: think last year at this point in the season, in

1112
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: the off season, because he.

1113
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: Had just like gotten to Denver or whatever.

1114
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: But like, I think we're in a situation now where

1115
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: all they've done is added Jonah Coleman, and all we've

1116
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: gotten was more information that Dobbins is not being used

1117
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: as a pass catcher for them, Like his route chare

1118
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: was in that like thirty to forty percent range consistently,

1119
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and that's not something that is league winning. So I'd

1120
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: rather go after a guy who's going later, who we

1121
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: don't know what the upside really looks like.

1122
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: Because he's a prospect. That's fine. Throw that Dart.

1123
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be used at least a little

1124
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: bit too, So he's gonna get you some production if

1125
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: you're if you're looking at this from a with a

1126
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: best ballable all right, last but not least Elijah Surratt

1127
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: just a random, random random dart okay, random last round

1128
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: dart Elijah Surrat.

1129
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 2: He had a very underrated profile. And what's really making

1130
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: me interested in Sarrat is that Isaiah likely is out

1131
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: of that offense now, and so Mark Andrews and aged

1132
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews is the biggest threat in the middle of

1133
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: the field for that Raven's offense.

1134
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: But Elijah Surrat was someone that number one comped very

1135
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: closely to Pat Bryant and Michael.

1136
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: Thomas, like these big slot players.

1137
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: So I kept joking with like Harmon in the in

1138
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: the preseason before the draft started that that, uh, you know,

1139
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: if Denver needed a wide receiver, Surrat was gonna be

1140
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: their guy, because Sean Payton would be going after him.

1141
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: But you know, a last did not need to just

1142
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: duplicate Pat Bryant. But you think about like what the

1143
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: Ravens kind of need. They get Jacobe Lane, who is

1144
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: a perimeter guy, will probably play on the outside. I

1145
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: don't think he's that great, Like I think he's fine,

1146
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't love Jacobe Lan's profile. Zay

1147
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: Flowers obviously their study.

1148
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: They could very.

1149
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: Easily use Elijah Surrat, who didn't get the best separation

1150
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: in college, but was really really productive, like, had a

1151
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: really productive career, got better every year. There's already been

1152
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: talk about them using him in the slot, and I

1153
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: think that that he belongs in the slot as like

1154
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: a big slot player, which could bring a lot of

1155
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: touchdown upside. Maybe that that allows him to play both

1156
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: inside out a little bit because he can play on

1157
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: the perimeter. He's just a really intriguing prospect to me,

1158
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: and as a as a last round pick in Best

1159
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: Ball and as someone that no, I mean, he's more

1160
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: of a waiver wire guy from a redraft standpoint, someone

1161
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: to at least watch as the offseason, you know, as

1162
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: the summer goes on and you're and you're thinking about

1163
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: who you're gonna draft.

1164
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we also need to clarify that we are coming

1165
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: up with this list on June the third, YEA, and

1166
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: things are gonna change. We're gonna have injuries, we're gonna

1167
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: have camp high lights, We're gonna have trades. I should trades.

1168
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: I should have put an honorable mention. I'm I'm warming

1169
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: up warming up.

1170
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: To a player I'd never thought I was gonna warm

1171
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: up to him. Oh boy, Zacharia Branch. I'm more I'm

1172
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: warming up to it.

1173
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: Okay, whoa Okay, just because you think he's gonna get

1174
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: farther down than three yards, just because of the situation.

1175
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: I hated the profile. But he is an early declare.

1176
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: You know, he has gadgety they're they're like invest not

1177
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: only that in rookie drafts, I thought he was going

1178
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: to go so much earlier than he actually went.

1179
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: I think I was. I was ahead of market on

1180
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: Zacharia Branch in the end, like with my rankings, which

1181
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: was wild.

1182
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 3: But maybe you dictated the market. Maybe you started this list.

1183
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Probably not, yeah, but yeah, I mean, like, I think

1184
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: he's a little bit interesting.

1185
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: I almost added him to the list.

1186
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I should add him to like an honorable mention. But

1187
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's at least traits that are different for

1188
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: him in a really just boring and annoying wide.

1189
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: Receiver class market score market mover. All right, that does

1190
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: it for the targeting read rap leads. Let's wrap this up,

1191
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,080
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Speaker 3: They're on DraftKings and follow us on social. I think

1207
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: that's it from me, JJ, you have anything, Yeah, we.

1208
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: Have one more question if we want to just get

1209
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: to it.

1210
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh this is from Ari who says I'm late on this,

1211
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: but I don't really understand how market score is different

1212
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: than rankings. You can talk about a guy who's ADP

1213
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: is thirty and say you should be ranked at forty,

1214
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: or say he has minus one point. Yeah it's not,

1215
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: but this is a metric that's showing that, right, Like

1216
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: rankings themselves are just a subjective way of people putting

1217
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: something like that together, and projections are different because projections

1218
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: are not factoring in what the wisdom of the crowds

1219
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: is saying. I think the cool thing about market score

1220
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: is that it's anchored to what the market is saying

1221
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: and what ADP is saying, what the wisdom of the

1222
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: crowd is saying. Yes, you should follow my rankings before

1223
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: you blindly follow market score. But it's a tool for

1224
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: us to look at and say, oh, this is something

1225
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: that's completely objective, that's completely pulling in these metrics that

1226
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: are predictive, and it's saying maybe we should lean into

1227
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: this guy a little bit more, maybe we should fade

1228
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: this guy a little bit more.

1229
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: That's all.

1230
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: It is a tool, right, We're not using market score

1231
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: to rank players. This is exactly why I didn't want

1232
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: market score to be a point per game projection. I

1233
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be list's points per game. I

1234
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: wanted it to be versus zero, where zero is average,

1235
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: because that way people can intuitively know, oh, this is

1236
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: this is based on the market. It's not a projection

1237
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: of that player, et cetera. So hopefully that clears things up.

1238
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: He said, cool, gotcha, that makes sense. Wanted to make

1239
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: sure I was understanding the idea. Yeah, I mean, like

1240
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: it's just another tool. It's not It's not the thing,

1241
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, It's not the only thing I'm gonna be

1242
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: looking at because we have this really cool, you know

1243
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: formula that that can spit this out.

1244
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: It's just another another metric that I think can guide

1245
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: us in the right direction. She Boll says.

1246
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: I can't wait for my first draft guide July first, right,

1247
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 3: it is around the first of July. We don't want

1248
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: to set up like a hard fast eight because the

1249
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: season starts later. We've had this rollout. It's gonna be

1250
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: probably sometime in that week though.

1251
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to give well, we'll have a

1252
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: date soon enough.

1253
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: I have some trips that are planning here in June

1254
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: that were unfore some of them more unforeseen that I,

1255
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, had to do like my my daughter's dance stuff.

1256
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: My gosh, kids.

1257
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 3: Getting you got to foresee that now, I mean that's

1258
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: part of part of the dance.

1259
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: But like, you know, just stuff like that that I uh,

1260
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: And I don't want to rush the draft guide too much.

1261
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean I've been working on it every night, so

1262
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: I work during the day do the content stuff. Then

1263
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: at night, after everyone's in bed, basically that's when I

1264
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: like kind of grind out an hour or.

1265
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: Two of the guide.

1266
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: And so it's just a lot of work and I

1267
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: don't want to commit to something and not being able

1268
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: to hit that deadline.

1269
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: So more than likely July first, at least that week.

1270
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: Around that time. I'd like to get it out before

1271
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: the fourth of July. But you guys will know the

1272
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: exact release date soon enough.

1273
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: Okay, men I mentioned in the newsletter. But JJ and

1274
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: I have just talked. You guys are awesome. Everyone's awesome.

1275
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: That has been like so understanding of us as we

1276
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: launched this encouraging as we launched this new website. So

1277
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: appreciate you. Even even when I'm doing customer service emails

1278
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: at twelve thirty, I can't complain.

1279
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: I can't.

1280
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: But it's like it's like someone who is like, you know,

1281
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: ripped and jacked and just naturally muscular, you know, complaining

1282
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: about something.

1283
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: You're talking about yourself there though, yeah, right, exactly, you

1284
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: complain about anything.

1285
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: You got a great job, right, you got you got

1286
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: the naturally looked like you just got.

1287
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: Out of the gym physique.

1288
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Speaker 3: You know, Ash the boss. It's just incredibly understanding and generous.

1289
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 3: So I mean, got it all going on some smart.

1290
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: Guys in their kitchen. Huh. It wasn't sarcasm at all.

1291
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Speaker 3: You are awesome. You're generous, give me this job. That's

1292
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Speaker 3: why I can't complain. So we appreciate you all, We

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