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Speaker 1: Live Golf Dallas just wrapped up with a bang. Local

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Speaker 1: revered courses at Spain's real club Valderama from the eleventh

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Speaker 1: individual and team glory. So last year to Shambo and

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Speaker 1: Golf Andalusia promises to be a thrilling competition, but eat

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite guys, Danny Parkins breakfast Ball FS one.

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Speaker 1: As I told a Stroy before, try to recruit him

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Speaker 1: years ago. So he's a teammate now, so let's go

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Speaker 1: into it. DeAndre Ayton, who I don't think necessarily is

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Speaker 1: You've got to do something, You've got to do something,

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Speaker 1: they signed DeAndre Ayton a buyout. Blazers bought him out.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work in Portland, it did not work in Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: Distracted not necessarily, Like if there was an NFL comp

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Speaker 1: Didn't get along with Phoenix. I think he views himself

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Speaker 1: So this to me is a complete desperation move that

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Speaker 1: they just But here's the thing. In the West. Jokic Oka,

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Speaker 1: looking around, Dallas has a four different players on their

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Speaker 1: you know. Jannis obviously is big. But you can lose Porzingis.

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven million dollars in his career already

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Speaker 2: that I think that was all they wanted. To your point,

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Speaker 2: but catching lob passes from Luca doncis DeAndre Ayton can

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Speaker 2: To be honest, can't you just stop at Lebron and

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Speaker 2: So like you're doing movie stars court side Lebron, James Luka, Doncic.

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Speaker 1: In my in my time in Los Angeles, the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: by saying that this was optioned in C or D

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Speaker 1: So but he is, Ayton is entertaining. He feels I

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Speaker 1: No, his problem has always been he views himself as

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Speaker 1: shen Goon's going to be a twenty four point game

426
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Speaker 1: guy for next to eight years. He's he's really beautiful player.

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Speaker 2: So is demonis? What is he won?

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Speaker 1: Well? No, no, okay, okay, it's fair. It's fair. It's

429
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Speaker 1: hard than I get.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. My point. My point is it's I think

431
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: you're always going to lose on that trade. And even

432
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Speaker 2: if your point is okay, well, eighty cents on the

433
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: dollar is better than fifty cents on the dollar. There's

434
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Speaker 2: something too, and you I think we can be a

435
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Speaker 2: little national remove fandom live in a bunch of different places.

436
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 2: There's something too. Yannis loving Milwaukee and Milwaukee loving Yannis.

437
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: He was Yes, he was the fifteenth pick in the draft.

438
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 2: He was a skinny kid from Greece and when he

439
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: came to Milwaukee. You can google the stories. The NBA

440
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: was buying the arena back from the Bucks because they

441
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: were like yes, I remember, They're like, you need to

442
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Speaker 2: get public financing for your stadium where we are going

443
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: to move your team, And they got the financing, they

444
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: opened the building. Ownership says, this is a commitment to

445
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Speaker 2: show that we can build around and win with Yanis.

446
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Speaker 2: They built a new practice facility, a beautiful new arena

447
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Speaker 2: and then he delivers a championship. And this is just

448
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Speaker 2: a silly anecdote that I happen to know just from

449
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Speaker 2: being in Chicago. But like Yanis, whenever he would come

450
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Speaker 2: and play the Bulls, he would go to You probably

451
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Speaker 2: know that you know Ovly the Greek restaurant.

452
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Speaker 1: There's one in yes, yes, yes, yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: So the guy who owns it is lu canelis the

454
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Speaker 2: local sports anchor on the Fox affiliate in Chicago. He's

455
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Speaker 2: a restaurant tour also. It's probably his main business. By now,

456
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: there's there's one in There's there's like five locations, four

457
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: or five locations in and around Chicago, and there's one

458
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Speaker 2: in Milwaukee that Yannis. Everyone was like, oh, Yannis is

459
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: gonna leave Milwaukee and go to the Bulls because he

460
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Speaker 2: wants to like have all the good Greek restaurants in Chicago.

461
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Speaker 2: And he's like, no, I'm just gonna open a good

462
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Speaker 2: Greek restaurant in Milwaukee. Like he he brought the Greek

463
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Speaker 2: food to Milwaukee, like the guy. It's a throwback man.

464
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: Like we said, like Steph Curry is the Warriors, it

465
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Speaker 2: would be weird if he played somewhere else. Tim Duncan

466
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Speaker 2: was the Spurs, Kobe was the Lakers. Like, there's I

467
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Speaker 2: am just rooting for the purity of the fifteenth pick

468
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Speaker 2: in the draft who delivers the title to the wall Market.

469
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Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm not messing

470
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Speaker 2: with happy. I don't think it could. I don't think.

471
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Speaker 2: I think you're you like moving, you like La. You're

472
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Speaker 2: like you're like I like London and LA and Europe

473
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: and backpacking and biking, and like you like moving around.

474
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Speaker 2: And I get it. But this guy, I think he

475
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: just likes Milwaukee. I think we projeest night, we project

476
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Speaker 2: onto Giannis would we we want Giannis to play for

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Speaker 2: a championship again.

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Speaker 1: And he's like that's right.

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00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: And he and I and he's like, why can't I

480
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Speaker 2: play for a championship here? And he's probably wrong. Yeah,

481
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: but he's probably wrong. But I think there's something admirable

482
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Speaker 2: in like the effort, like the tribe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're more of a sports romantic.

484
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Speaker 2: I think I can be. Yeah, absolutely, I can't be.

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Speaker 1: So so let's then segue to a topic I saw

486
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Speaker 1: this week. So this is something that I've never understood.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the advantage of it. Back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,

488
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Speaker 1: and nineties, when the NFL, you literally could be average

489
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Speaker 1: at quarterback and win your division regularly. You ran the ball,

490
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Speaker 1: you played defense. The NFL allowed all sorts of clutching

491
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Speaker 1: and grabbing and hitting late. I mean there's videos of

492
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Speaker 1: Joe Montana being slammed the turf, which would get you

493
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Speaker 1: thrown out for like six games. Now, so I never

494
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Speaker 1: understood snow games, but I do think there was an

495
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Speaker 1: era in which, if you were built right run game

496
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Speaker 1: weren't great at quarterback defense, snow games were a little

497
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Speaker 1: bit of an advantage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland, the Cleveland Browns come out over the last week

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Speaker 1: and they're like, we're coming out with a new stadium,

501
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Speaker 1: and people are like, oh my god, there goes the

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Speaker 1: home field advantage. I'm like, you have a horror roble

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Speaker 1: home record over the last three decades. First, but my

504
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Speaker 1: takeaway is it's a quarterback league. Snow Brady is an

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Speaker 1: exception that I would watch him and Manning play in

506
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Speaker 1: snow and I'm like, oh, Tom's winning the game. I

507
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: could tell him pregame they take that shot on CBS

508
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: and Manning would be freezing if box Probably Tom's winning.

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Speaker 1: It's over is that the snow game today? There's not

510
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Speaker 1: many of them, it feels like. But I think it's

511
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: always been completely overrated. There's a reason we play Bowl

512
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Speaker 1: games in better weather. I don't want my football screwed

513
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: with by ice storms and sleet, and I think it

514
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: remains the most overrated thing in American sports, the snow

515
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Speaker 1: football game.

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Speaker 2: I want my games to be played like they are

517
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Speaker 2: supposed to be played. So I'm glad the super Bowl

518
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Speaker 2: is in a dome, right I do. But I like

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Speaker 2: December regular season games in snow. Like I think there

520
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: is something too, like lamb Like there's like some stadiums

521
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Speaker 2: that should just be grandfathered in, Like Fenway is like

522
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a pain in the ass, but

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Speaker 2: you'd be bummed if they changed Fenway Wriggly. They've renovated

524
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: Wriglely and they've made it better with video boards and

525
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: accessibility and all that, but like that is still a

526
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Speaker 2: brick wall out there covered by ivy. It's not like

527
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Speaker 2: the most practical thing in the world. Right, Like if

528
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Speaker 2: if Pete crow Armstrong, who's gonna be the starting center

529
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Speaker 2: fielder for the National League ran into the brick wall

530
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Speaker 2: and broke his shoulder. We would do the topic of like,

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Speaker 2: should there be a brick wall in center field? That's

532
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: pretty that's pretty dangerous, that's pretty archaic, but there's a

533
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Speaker 2: charm to it. It doesn't have to make sense Lambeau

534
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: Like if the so you'd say that the Packers should

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Speaker 2: put a roof on Lambeau Field.

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Speaker 1: No, I think exactly exactly, Yeah, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: green Bay is what green Bay is. I think it.

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Speaker 1: I think its history is the frozen tundra in Vince Lombardi.

539
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Speaker 2: Because it doesn't make any sense for an NFL team

540
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Speaker 2: to be in green Bay, Wisconsin. Right if we were

541
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Speaker 2: starting that's right, if we were starting the league tomorrow

542
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: from scratch and you picked thirty two cities, we wouldn't

543
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: pick green Bay. But we well it's it's but well,

544
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: we all agreed the NFL is better with green Bay existing.

545
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Speaker 1: What what is laughable about the Bears is green Bay

546
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: is always drafted quarterbacks Farv Aaron and Love with above

547
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Speaker 1: average arms, and the Buffalo Bills with Jim Kelly and

548
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: Josh Allen understand the value of a whip in northern climates.

549
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: That's why it was always indefensible when Mitch Trubisky, who's

550
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: ball dyed twenty four yards down the field, was drafted

551
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Speaker 1: by the Bears. It's like, is there a dome stadium

552
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: that was as agreed to that I'm not aware, Like

553
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: there's some teams that don't even understand there the web

554
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Speaker 1: are advantages this dome team draft Tua warm Weather, Tua.

555
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: If you draft them and cold, you're idiotic and should

556
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Speaker 1: be fired as general manager, right.

557
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Right, Like the like the Yankees are going to be

558
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: in the market for every lefty slugger because they have

559
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: a short porch and right, you know what I mean,

560
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: there's there's there's something to do. But so I hear what

561
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: you're saying about outdoor stadiums. But it's like, if we

562
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: don't want Arrowhead to go away, and we don't want

563
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: Lambeau to go away, then like I understand Cleveland fans

564
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: pitching and moaning about the Dome too.

565
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Speaker 1: So the uh, there's there's a lot of different topics.

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Speaker 1: I think, can.

567
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Speaker 2: We do a topic? I want to do a topic

568
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: your podcast want to do with top Yeah, congratulations on

569
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Speaker 2: making it to the Radio Hall of Fame. And you

570
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: can put this at the end, or you can scrub

571
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: it out entirely. I don't know, but I hope you don't.

572
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: But you have started and developed a very successful business.

573
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: You are a legend in the industry. You have conquered

574
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: multiple mediums. And I know that hall of fame talk

575
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: on talk shows? Is Pete Rosea hall of fame? Or

576
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: is it a museum? Is he a first ballid guy?

577
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Is he overrated? Is he snowed? Will you admit that

578
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: it meant something to you?

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00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Oh? God, sure, yeah, because.

580
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Speaker 2: Like the radio purist in me, because I will always

581
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Speaker 2: consider myself a radio guy, and I know you're the same.

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. It's so cool, it's so yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is congratulations, you know what. Oh, thank you very much.

584
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: So it's weird because, as my staff knows, I take

585
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: so much pride in topic selection, and I know the

586
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Speaker 1: audience doesn't care, you do, Nick does? I got some

587
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Speaker 1: of the nicest note Joe Fortonbaugh old bosses, people that

588
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: love radio sent me the sweetest, kindest notes. Listen, I

589
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: was seven years old, rural. My mom got me a

590
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: transistor radio. You know, this was nineteen seventy two. Seventy three,

591
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: there weren't that many games on TV. ESPN wasn't a thing,

592
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: and radio was my friend. I'm a rural like I

593
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: was eight miles from the closest friend, and I would

594
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Speaker 1: sit in our Frank Lloyd Wright house on the second

595
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Speaker 1: There was a picnic table in the back patio. I'd

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Speaker 1: get on it, go to the second floor, and for

597
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Speaker 1: some reason there was this weird vortex where all these

598
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Speaker 1: AM radio signals came in and I would sit there

599
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Speaker 1: listening to baseball games and I heard Vin Scully when

600
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Speaker 1: I was eight on a scratch it was Kfire or

601
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Speaker 1: something in La whatever it was, and it was scratchy.

602
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Speaker 1: I would take notes, I would write down, I would

603
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Speaker 1: get names I was. You know, radio's always been something

604
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Speaker 1: I love. Now once I went to simulcast, I have

605
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: to play the TV a lot. That's the reality of it.

606
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: TV's bigger, Yeah, it's it's it's a huge deal. I

607
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: don't get terribly emotional about stuff. I've seen everything now

608
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: at this point, but my wife knows how much it means.

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Speaker 1: You know, my friends know how much it means. It's

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Speaker 1: a big deal for me, and I don't want to

611
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Speaker 1: be self congratulatory, but yeah, for in my life, it's

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Speaker 1: been one of my.

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Speaker 2: Goals really, Okay, see I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I didn't send you a text because

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Speaker 2: I knew I was already booked for this when the

617
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Speaker 2: news came out. I wanted to do it face to face.

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Speaker 2: But like, you inspired so many people of like Nick

619
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Speaker 2: and mis generation to do radio. And then Nick and

620
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Speaker 2: I would always joke and I think he said it

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Speaker 2: to you, and I'm not sure if I had, but been.

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Speaker 2: But you also kind of like ruined the next generation

623
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Speaker 2: of radio hosts because people would try to be you

624
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: and like try to do but your brain is so

625
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: singular in terms of the analogies and the comparisons, and

626
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: like it was an amazing thing. And then you would

627
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: hear people try to be you and it was like, no, man,

628
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: this is like a one of one talent that you've

629
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: crushed it in podcasting and TV and all that, but

630
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: like it was made for radio because the beauty of

631
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Speaker 2: radio is that you've got the long runway. You've got

632
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Speaker 2: the runway to tell the story, to be personable, to

633
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Speaker 2: be vulnerable, to be circuitous if you want to to

634
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: talk about the fandom in LA of a LA person

635
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Speaker 2: and then relate that to why they can be savvy

636
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Speaker 2: with basketball but still care about start Like it's like

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Speaker 2: it's perfect for radio, it's also perfect for podcasting. I

638
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Speaker 2: understand how podcast is kind of replaced radio, but it's

639
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: just you really deserve it and you. I don't know

640
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: how many more people in generations after you, if any,

641
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: will have a big impact on the genre of radio

642
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: just because it's changed, Like it's you know what I mean,

643
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: Like there was gonna have to be like a podcasting

644
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: hall of Fame, like people younger than Colin Calvert that

645
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: made a real impact in radio. It's a short list,

646
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: man like, because it's just it's not as influential anymore, sadly,

647
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: and so like you are probably one of the last,

648
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: like truly radio titans. Other people will get in, like

649
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: they'll keep inducting people, But in terms of people who

650
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: meant more to the medium than you, there's not good.

651
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: There will be some who meant as much or like

652
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: we're on your level because I'm just not thinking of

653
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: the Like Ryan Seacrest, I don't know if he's in.

654
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: He meant a lot to Yeah, right, you know what

655
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't know.

656
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: There's probably a few more, but like you're one of

657
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: the last ones. Man like you meant a ton to radio.

658
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: So I just want to say congratulations.

659
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. I think sometimes I've told people before.

660
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Growing up divorced by myself, my sister was five years older.

661
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: I wrote about it in my first book. I was

662
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: actually lucky. I had all the things needed to tell

663
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: good stories on the radio. I was by myself really

664
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: all the time. I can remember playing and I know

665
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm going on and on.

666
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: About this and we can cut it, but don't, okay.

667
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: So when I was a little kid, like like eight, nine,

668
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: ten years old, that kind of thing. In the mid seventies,

669
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Regire a great team and I love them.

670
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: And I can still give you the entire roster of

671
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: the Reds and the Dodgers, and I mean the infields

672
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: were legendary. Garvy and Lopes and Russell and Ron say Against.

673
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, Tony Perez and Joe

674
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Morgan and Dave Conception and Pete Rose a third and

675
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: I would do lineups and I would play wiffleball by myself.

676
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: So I would throw the ball up, hit it, and

677
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: I do remember there was a moment and I wrote

678
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: about this in the book that I was obviously bored

679
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: because we had these trees in right field, and I

680
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: had Saesar Geronimo, who I never saw hit a home run,

681
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: hit a home run in my mind in whiffle ball.

682
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: I remember thinking I went and got the ball. And

683
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have the self awareness before this. I was

684
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: probably nine or ten, and I thought, man, I'm alone

685
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm alone a lot. And it really hit

686
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: me that I was talking to myself all the time,

687
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: and like out loud in the yard, like just talking

688
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: to myself doing the games. And so when people have

689
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: ever asked me, you know, you kind of talk to

690
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: yourself a lot, and I'm like, like, like, Larry King

691
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: want the late Larry King once came up and he goes,

692
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: how do you talk to yourself three hours a day?

693
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: I said, you should hear the other fourteen I said, Larry,

694
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: this is just what I've been doing since I've been

695
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: like six or seven, because I grew up really by myself.

696
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: My sister was five years older, so you know, she's

697
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: out of high school all the time. I get into it.

698
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: Fourteen year old girls don't want to hang out with

699
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: nine year old boys like nine year old.

700
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: Boys to hang out with fourteen year old girls.

701
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: So so a lot of the things in my life

702
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: growing up in the middle of nowhere, I think probably

703
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: this manufactured this kind of odd talking to yourself personality

704
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: that works.

705
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, and and that makes perfect sense too.

706
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: Why you've never really I mean obviously you know J

707
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: Mac and whatever, But like, also why you been a

708
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: solo act? It's hard to do? Yeah, Like it's it's

709
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I take a lot

710
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: of pride in being able to do it. Solo radio

711
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: is hard. It's it's a hard thing to do.

712
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: So here's here's an interesting one. I'll throw this at you.

713
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: So if you took I think there's three hundred and

714
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: sixty Division one men's programs, as far as I can

715
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: tell men's basketball programs, a woman's never coached them. In

716
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: the history of the NBA. There's never been a head

717
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: coach of an NBA team. I guess if you went

718
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: and found the top twenty five boys basketball team, they're

719
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: probably coached by guys. Now, obviously men coach women all

720
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: the time. You know, we see that WNBA, we see

721
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: it in college, high school, whatever, but it doesn't go

722
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: the other way. The door doesn't open the other way.

723
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Speaker 1: So when Donald Staley got talked about for the Knicks,

724
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: and I've thought about this before, I've thought about I

725
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: think it would actually potentially work. Now, New York's not easy.

726
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: It's a relentless media that just ran Tibbs out of

727
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Speaker 1: the building. It's like, I think New York wouldn't. I

728
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't want that to make the test case for it.

729
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: Can we go to you know, can we go to Orlando?

730
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: Can we go somewhere where the media is not as

731
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: loud and relentless and brutal. But when I thought about

732
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Don Staley, I thought, well, tis just they just had

733
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: the best season in twenty five years. Going to Don Staley.

734
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Speaker 1: It's a little odd for that situation in this organization.

735
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: But I do think, like Becky Hammond has been discussed,

736
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: and I think about it because and one of the

737
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: reasons being is like, if you picked the sport in

738
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: the world and you said, like soccer and women's basketball,

739
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark can make shots that NBA players cannot make consistently.

740
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: She is a better shooter than half the NBA. I'm

741
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure of it. And I do think when

742
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: you watch women's soccer, not as good as the men,

743
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: but we've had so much success in the country. But

744
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I do think that there's something about basketball and that

745
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: you are seeing. I remember watching Maya Moore and thinking

746
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: she can make a Division one team. My horse Cheryl

747
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Miller and make a Division one team, do you believe?

748
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: I do think there will be a female NBA coach eventually,

749
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: and I think part of it is that women's basketball.

750
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark's a great example. She's doing things I have

751
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: never seen me. Would you want Miles Turner taking a

752
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: thirty three foot shot? No?

753
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

754
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: Is it better shooter than half the NBA?

755
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? So okay. I think these are two separate points.

756
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: When I was reporting Pipeline of the Pros, the book

757
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: that I wrote about the D three coaches and players

758
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: who made their way to the NBA coaches and executives,

759
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, you talked to a lot of coaches and executives,

760
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: both the D three people and then the people who

761
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: hired them and helped them kind of break in and

762
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: one of the lines of questioning that I would ask

763
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: the Jeff van Gundies, the Stan van Gundyes of the world,

764
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: was like, what's it like being you the five foot nothing,

765
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: one hundred and nothing, you know, white slub and trying

766
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: to get Patrick Ewing's respect? Like, what's that like? And

767
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: there are there were some great stories of being tested

768
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: and being doubted, but almost universally there was just a

769
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: through line was even if you were doubted, or if

770
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: you were tested or if you know, Tylu didn't have

771
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: to clear that hurdle because they knew that he knew

772
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: it because he had played. All these players wanted you

773
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: to you to be able to prove to them was

774
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: can you help them get better? Yep, that's simple. It

775
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: was because that can get them their next contract, It

776
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: can extend their career, It can help get them a ring,

777
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: it can get them a legacy, it can get them

778
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: that had their jersey retired, It can get them a

779
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: media career at like whatever it is, right like it

780
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: can a good coach can level you up a little bit.

781
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: And so I don't think it's ridiculous at all. And

782
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: if Don Staley got the next job, I completely agree

783
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: with you. There would have just been an extra level

784
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: of the circus because of James Dolan, James Dolan, Tibbs,

785
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: the first woman New York, the media market, the whole thing.

786
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: But that may be the toughest job in the league, honestly,

787
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: no doubt.

788
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. But I also don't think

789
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: that don Staley is the only woman who is capable

790
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: of doing it. So like say it did happen, and

791
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: then say she failed. I don't think that would like

792
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: set back the idea of it twenty years. Like there's

793
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: more than thirty competent coaches who could coach NBA teams, right,

794
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, there just is. And so some of it

795
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: is opportunity, some of it's you host a podcast with Lebron.

796
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: Some of it's just like these owners lack creativity and

797
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: they keep hiring Doc Rivers and like, you know, like

798
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: whatever it is, there's a lot of different reasons why

799
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: the people who get the jobs get the jobs. But

800
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: someone will do it, yeah, and then it will work,

801
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: and then five or six women will be coaching in

802
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: the NBA, and someone will right, the wow, there's all

803
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: these d three people coaching in the NBA. How the

804
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: hell did that happen? And then someone will write that book.

805
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think it is going to be.

806
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened, and it's a little ridiculous that it hasn't,

807
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: but it's going to happen because there's also Yeah, there

808
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: were really talented female assistant coaches on not every statue

809
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: in the league, but a huge percentage of like shooting coaches,

810
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: advanced scouts, like most teams have a woman somewhere in

811
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: the first or second row of their bench at this point. So, yeah,

812
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: basketball is so much closer to it than football.

813
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: Well and also, and I know there'll be somebody listening

814
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: to this thinking, oh, it's woke. The truth is the

815
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: NBA is a more progressive league. So if any league

816
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: was going to do it, it would be the NBA. Yeah,

817
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: and they talk more politics than any league. That's just

818
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: the history of the league.

819
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also, I'm just I'm so sick and

820
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: tired of being policed by people being like, oh, that's

821
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: a woke thought, Like it's it's not a pejorative. Shut up.

822
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't I don't care. I don't care like you

823
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: did the Okay, fine, fine, make your comment on your

824
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: on your block. Oh it's a woke thought that a

825
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: woman could teach about the drop coverage in a I'm

826
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: not asking her to do a three sixty dunk, like

827
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm not asking her to guard Lebron Like like if

828
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: you've seen again like stan Van Nundy, there's this crazy

829
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: video of people should watch it of him doing like

830
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: a little dribble combo move and he like goes between

831
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: the legs, between the legs and behind the back and

832
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: and he's just like messing around before a practice and

833
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: it went viral and it got like millions of views,

834
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: and they were like, how does the like short, fat

835
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: white guy know how to dribble a basketball? And it's like, well,

836
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: he played like Lai d three ball like he can.

837
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: His mind was a better teacher of basketball than his

838
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: athleticism allowed him to do it. But he right cross

839
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: the threshold. We're like, well, he could play at a

840
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: high enough level to know enough about the game to

841
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: be able to speak to players clear.

842
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: And the truth of the same thing, how many great

843
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: players in any sport have been great coaches. The truth

844
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: of the matter, it's often somebody who has played the

845
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: sport a little men or women, but have this sort

846
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: of they were a utility infielder in baseball, they were

847
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like the truth is coaches

848
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: usually have to you have to get respect from players

849
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: because like Larry Bird is the rare legend who coaches

850
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, he's competent, that's rare. So you

851
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: always have to get buy in from players in all sports.

852
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Like Mike Rabel physical you get buy in one of

853
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: the smartest, but it looks like he can beat up

854
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: half the team, like there's a physical presence with Rabel,

855
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: like he gets immediate buying. Mike McDaniel, though, ill argue

856
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: this all day. Mike McDaniel had to convince those guys

857
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: he looks like a sports writer. He's snarky and funny

858
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: like a writer. Like he doesn't walk into a room

859
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: of fifty five alpha male and there's like complete buy in.

860
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he thought a lot about that in football,

861
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: especially because it's a size league.

862
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, And but like in basket like you're

863
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: the only comment in here that I was like, I'm

864
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: not even sure, like like I don't know what Maya

865
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: War's level would have been because you don't see like

866
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark playing in pickup games with Kevin Durant in

867
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: the off prison right like right, like we're not we're

868
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 2: not anywhere close to a woman playing in the NBA, right,

869
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: But coaching, Yeah, that's not that that's not a leap

870
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: to me in any way, Like it they already do,

871
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Like they already coach in the NBA right now, So

872
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: like to be the head coach is not some sort

873
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: of crazy thing for me to wrap my mind around.

874
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: And my understanding is it's not a crazy thing for

875
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: players to wrap their mind around either, as long as

876
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: you can have. One assistant coach described it to me

877
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: as like they just want to know that you have.

878
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: The n of the test yep.

879
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like they there was like a hand signal

880
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: that a point guard was calling out and Lebron looked

881
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: to this assistant coach and the assistant coach didn't have it,

882
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 2: and he said it ruined like his month because he

883
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: felt like he had like let Lebron down. He didn't

884
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: have the scout the signal on the scouting report, and

885
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: he was a new coach on the staff and he

886
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: felt like he had to like earn his trust back

887
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: and like they talked about it afterwards and it was

888
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: this whole big thing, and he's like, I felt like

889
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: he was testing me. He wasn't. He was just asking

890
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: what the call was from the other team of the

891
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: scouting report. But like, there's no doubt that that's going

892
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: to happen in basketball, because of course a woman could

893
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: pass that test, no question.

894
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. Maybe we can end it here

895
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: because I've always thought this funny, like sports is always

896
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: trying to kind of manufacture parody. You know, you win,

897
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: you you when you win, you know, you get the

898
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: last draft pick, and there's limitation. You know, the lottery

899
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: is set up to you know, even though the number

900
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: one team doesn't win, it's usually like the fourth or

901
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: fifth best odds win. A bad team gets good players.

902
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times the media. The two

903
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: things the media does that I kind of roll my

904
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: eyes at. They make everything feel like the end of

905
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, people have to remember I'm old enough,

906
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember this, but I remember my dad and

907
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: mom and people talked about this. In the sixties, our

908
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: president was assassinated, so is his brother, so was MLKA,

909
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: middle of a Vietnam war, and by seventy two earned

910
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: Watergate you think we have casts now with tariffs, like

911
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: folks like the media tends to make every current bit

912
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: of turbulence seem like I mean, I thought our COVID

913
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: coverage it was okay for about two months because it

914
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: was new. We didn't know what was happening. But it

915
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: did get to a point after about six months, we're

916
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: not all going to die that this like there was

917
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: there was pretty odvious stuff that that we were saying

918
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: that kids were safe, you could go to school. It

919
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: was mostly seventy five and older, like like in the

920
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: in the media for about two years, the stories were

921
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: it was relentless run for your life. So that's my

922
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: first thing that drives me nuts. It's that we have

923
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: to be a little less hyperbolic. And I think about

924
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: this all the time as a sports guy. The second

925
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: thing is they can be nia, we can be naive

926
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, and so I remember when these the

927
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: media can be like, guys, you're being idealistic. And I

928
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: understand the media is young and hopeful, but when the

929
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: NIL came out, I can remember a lot of these stories,

930
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: and I can remember fans doing this. You know what.

931
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Finally Purdue can compete and now because everybody said, anybody

932
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: can transfer. You won't have to sit behind Ohio State's

933
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: left tackle. You can go. And I look at today

934
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia. Is that I think the

935
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: NIL and transfer portal are fascinating. One players needed to

936
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: be paid, and two I think the transfer portal. I

937
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: think you should have to wait eighteen months to transfer,

938
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: like I think you should be able to transfer two

939
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: or three times. You can't keep transferring. Don't tell me.

940
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: Coaches do Power five coaches don't transfer every six weeks.

941
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: That's not the way it works. But I guess my

942
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: point is, do you do you love college sports less

943
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: now that money is involved? Because I have friends who

944
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: are like, I hate the NIL. My take is, yeah,

945
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: when the Huskies end up in the playoff, you'll be

946
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: watching when Washington's facing Notre Dame. Don't tell me that,

947
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: but I hear this all the time. NIL transfer Portal's

948
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: ruined it for me. Yeah, I don't, No, I don't.

949
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean they were getting paid before. There's just like

950
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: I remember the point guard of the Syracuse basketball team

951
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: when I was there, driving like a Dodge Charger that

952
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: was all souped up.

953
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: Then I was like, how where did that come from?

954
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, how did that happen? And

955
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: so you know, it's just that part never bothered me.

956
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 2: I think what is dumb about it is that we

957
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 2: went from guys getting suspended for selling their sugar bowl

958
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: jersey and that was the biggest terrelle prior the biggest

959
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: story in the world.

960
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I remember that and right.

961
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: And now it's like, oh, this guy got four million

962
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: trans and it's like, well, wait what And I have

963
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: no problem get go get your money. But I they

964
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: because they had their head in the sand for so long,

965
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: and they just let it be the wild West for

966
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: so long, and they fought against unionization, and they fought

967
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: against revenue sharing, and they fought against it's the video

968
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: game and like all of the things that just like, wait,

969
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: I can I can buy a Syracuse fifteen jersey, but

970
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: it can't say Anthony on the back, and so like

971
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: Mellow doesn't get a piece of the cut, like what

972
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: like like it was just so stupid for so long

973
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: that now the only thing that bothers me about it

974
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: is that it's not that it's so far the other way,

975
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: but it's like people like, oh that Cooper Flagg made

976
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars in name, image, and likeness last year,

977
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: and it's like, can you prove that? Like I wish,

978
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: I wish there was like a I like that, I

979
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 2: know what Aaron Rodgers signed for. I like that I

980
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: know what Lebron gets paid. Like I there's a salary gap.

981
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: It makes it easy to fund find and follow, and

982
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: you can play GM and Fantasy Football and trades and

983
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Dynasty Mode in that and like a lot of us

984
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: like following sports from like the GM perspective of it,

985
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: because we never had any chance to be the quarterback

986
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: of the team. And now it's just like who's paying

987
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: for the point guard? It's it's under Armour, or it's Nike,

988
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: or it's a car dealership. Like it's just I wish

989
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: that there was more transparency in how it all worked,

990
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: as opposed to like, oh, arch Manning has a reported

991
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: six million dollar ANIL deal and it's like, well, who's

992
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: reporting it from? Where is it a booster? Is it

993
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: a sponsor? Like I just wish that it was more

994
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 2: transparent so that we could follow it and understand it more.

995
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: Georgia has fifty million dollars in their fund perdue has

996
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: six million in there. That's really impressive that Perdue is

997
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: able to be the Billy Bean Oakland Athletics of the

998
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: Big ten and like punch above their weight class and

999
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: compete with Ohio State. But we're just in the dark

1000
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: on all of the money of it, like we always were, frankly.

1001
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: But it's like they're trying to tell us, oh, yeah,

1002
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: now they're getting paid and it's all above board, but

1003
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: it's clearly still not. And I don't know if I'm

1004
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: rambling here a little bit or if you're following what

1005
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying. No, no, no, but it's like we need

1006
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: to have a happy medium. But there's clearly billions of

1007
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: dollars and more of it is going to the players,

1008
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: and that's good, but it's not regulated in any way

1009
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: that makes sense, and it's not regulated in any way

1010
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 2: that a fan can realistically follow. And so I think

1011
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: that that It doesn't make me like it less, but

1012
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: it makes me understand it less. Like why did this

1013
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: player transfer there? Why are they leaving after one year?

1014
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 2: How much money are they getting? Oh I would transfer

1015
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: there too, if maybe they were giving me four million

1016
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: dollars in this place is only giving me one million dollars,

1017
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: but I want that to be above board and reported

1018
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: with some level of accuracy, and I feel like it's

1019
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: not at all.

1020
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the thing about the one thing I'll say

1021
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: about the transfer portal, I think Jay Billis is a

1022
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: really smart guy. I think he's really wrong on one

1023
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: thing when he says, well, coaches can transfer, why can't players?

1024
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: And my take is because Eric Shanks is responsible for

1025
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: all of Fox Sports, I'm just responsible for my show.

1026
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: A coach isn't a player. A coach is responsible for

1027
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: the staff, the brand, the name, the players, responsible for himself.

1028
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: So in the end, if a coach gets bought out,

1029
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: if the athletic department like makes him pay some money

1030
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: back and he leaves, that's not a player leaving. Let's

1031
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean people and bosses i've had at the big

1032
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: companies I've worked at have pensions that I'm not allowed

1033
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: to get. I'm just an employee their management. So the

1034
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: only thing I hear about, well, well, players, you know,

1035
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: coaches do that. Coaches are management. Management's different. Management has

1036
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: things they will never let you see. There are documents

1037
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: that management has at Fox Sports. I don't get to

1038
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: see where they're going, what they're doing what corner's coming up,

1039
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: the contract negotiations. Players don't get to see everything coaches do.

1040
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: You don't get all the information, you don't have to

1041
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: balance the budget, you don't have to be a capologist.

1042
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 1: So that my thing on I don't believe players should

1043
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: be able to just transfer constantly. I think like every

1044
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: eighteen months that'll give you two transfers. Basically, if you

1045
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: stay for four or five years, you get two transfers

1046
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: outside of your initial signing. But I think I think

1047
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: sign transfer trans.

1048
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable. I think that if you if

1049
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: you're a kid who's going to a college because the

1050
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: coach recruited you, and then the coach leaves, I also

1051
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: think that should open you up. So if I sign

1052
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: on to play college football, yeah Onnson and Davo and Davo,

1053
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 2: and then Dabo decides to leave, Like, I think that.

1054
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: I think that that is a reasonable thing for a

1055
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: kid to be able to say, well, wait, I signed

1056
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 2: on to play for this coach and now this coach

1057
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: is not there anymore, So I want to be able

1058
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: to move. But also kids should be able to go

1059
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: to college where they want to.

1060
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: For the most part, right, Yeah, I think again. I

1061
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: think you have to have guardrails on everything. Yeah, I

1062
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Speaker 1: think just everything needs guardrail. AI AI needs it, the

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Speaker 1: Internet needs it, like it. I don't think it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before. Canada's got certain restrictions, like you

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Speaker 1: have to on a Canadian radio station play Canadian artists

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Speaker 1: a percentage of the time. I've never thought it's crazy

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Speaker 1: to restrict some of the things allowed on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: Every other country does, like to just say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to allow like blank blank blank, like

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Speaker 1: like heavy violence on it. We're not going to allow that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I'm punitive or ultra conservative,

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Speaker 1: like there's crap in the internet kids shouldn't see. And

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Speaker 1: if we can't tell, you know, parents, some parents at

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Speaker 1: six let their kids get on the internet, Well then

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We should have things that are completely absolutely restricted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, reasonable restrictions for the right. There's a reason why

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Speaker 2: there are seatbelt laws because it's a good idea right.

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Speaker 2: It's a good idea to right to protect people from themselves,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. I know I had no problem with that,

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Speaker 2: but I just like the U asked, like, does it

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Speaker 2: make me like it less. It doesn't make me like

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Speaker 2: it less. It makes me resents the leadership a little

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Speaker 2: bit more because I feel like this could have been

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Speaker 2: done twenty years ago, like in partnership with the players. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you guys want to be in a video game and

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Speaker 2: have your name in there and get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of money, and like we could have like eased into

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Speaker 2: this as opposed to going from nothing to everything all

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Speaker 2: at once. And now it's just very messy and very confusing,

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Speaker 2: and high school kids have agents and it just you know,

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Speaker 2: it just does. It's just it went. It went so

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Speaker 2: far so fast that I feel like it needs to

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Speaker 2: come back a little bit, not in terms of like

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Speaker 2: make less money, but in terms of to your point,

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Speaker 2: regulation it needs to just make a little bit more

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Speaker 2: sense as a system for the best terment of everybody.

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Speaker 1: Danny Parkins, Okay, we rambled for an hour. We landed

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Speaker 1: on a couple of topics. I liked it. It was fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never know. I don't prep these at all.

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Speaker 2: Can't you tell you don't tell me what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: You can just talk for an hour.

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Speaker 1: Clearly I don't either.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations again, Colin, seriously.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Danny, Thanks Buddy. The volume