Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Joshua Zapolski, and today we have a
Speaker 2: very mysterious, very spectral, very creepy, very unhinged, unsettling, spooky show.
Speaker 2: It will leave you feeling spooked and unsettled. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think of synonyms for things that make people feel
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and creeped out. I can't really think of any.
Speaker 2: That's my problem though. That's because I didn't graduate high school.
Speaker 2: If I had done that, I would have a larger
Speaker 2: vocabulary and I'd be able to communicate more effectively to
Speaker 2: the listener. Unfortunately, you get this dumbed down, third grade
Speaker 2: ass version of the show, and you know what, that's
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: That is on me.
Speaker 2: But today we do have a really fun show, and
Speaker 2: I've been excited to have this conversation. I've been listening
Speaker 2: to a podcast called Hi Strange, which is hosted by
Speaker 2: a man named Payne Lindsay. And Paine does all these
Speaker 2: different shows. He's done a bunch of true crime stuff,
Speaker 2: and he is kind of fascinating guy and super fun
Speaker 2: to listen to, and I wanted to talk to him
Speaker 2: because the show is the show he's working on now
Speaker 2: that he's just done, is about you know, a boy UFOs,
Speaker 2: but UFOs as I call them. Nobody else calls them that,
Speaker 2: but I like to. And as a lifetime lover of
Speaker 2: science fiction and creepy shit, I found what he's doing
Speaker 2: to just be super compelling, and so I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk to him about what the hell is going on
Speaker 2: with UFOs and aliens and if we're being invaded? And
Speaker 2: so we got him on the show. So let's get
Speaker 2: into this conversation. Have you ever considered doing a late
Speaker 2: night like radio show where you take calls from people
Speaker 2: and give them advice and it's called something like bring
Speaker 2: the Pain.
Speaker 1: Have you ever considered?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But now I am the concept rights itself. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: just had that very dumb idea night. Do I owe
Speaker 1: you anything if I use that?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I would just I think it'd be cool,
Speaker 2: Like if you did it that, then I might want
Speaker 2: a little something like a couple of points on the
Speaker 2: backhand or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, Well I did say it first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's just I mean whatever, you know, just
Speaker 2: I could be maybe I could come on sometimes it's
Speaker 2: like a sidekick and give my take on the advice,
Speaker 2: like i'd be give like the counterpoint, right, that's that
Speaker 2: would be fair, right, you bring the pain that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: just Josh and I come on and I'll make a
Speaker 2: joke about the whole thing. Now, we're like, yeah, our
Speaker 2: names are confunction as words, at least audibly.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get into UFOs, although they're not called UFOs
Speaker 2: anymore correct.
Speaker 1: They're called what are they called it?
Speaker 2: They say UAP. Now, yeah, like UAP sounds more credible.
Speaker 2: It's like an unidentified airborne phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Is some what it is? Aerial phenomenon? Aerial phinness?
Speaker 2: Okay, welltty, that's pretty close.
Speaker 1: Same.
Speaker 2: But before doing High Strange, which is your latest podcast,
Speaker 2: which explores UFOs or UAPs depending on who you talk to,
Speaker 2: you've done a ton of true crime stuff and the
Speaker 2: stuff you've done is pretty heavy, some pretty heavy shit.
Speaker 2: So how have you How did you end up in
Speaker 2: that world? Like what led you there?
Speaker 3: I was in my mid twenties and I was doing
Speaker 3: freelance video work, commercials and music videos, and I was
Speaker 3: just getting burnt out creatively and also financially, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to create my own thing, a big endeavor to tackle.
Speaker 3: And I had this crazy idea one day in my apartment,
Speaker 3: having watched numerous true crime documentaries, like what if I
Speaker 3: made one of those?
Speaker 1: Is that possible? How would you even do that?
Speaker 3: So I just went down that path and eventually decided
Speaker 3: to make a podcast instead because it was really as
Speaker 3: a proof of concept. I wanted to make a TV
Speaker 3: show or a documentary, and I was like, well, I
Speaker 3: can make a podcast in my apartment for one hundred
Speaker 3: bucks versus you know, a fancy TV show, and maybe
Speaker 3: if I can get this off the ground and it works,
Speaker 3: then that would lead me to the next step. That
Speaker 3: was a simple idea. That was it, and then from
Speaker 3: there I just.
Speaker 2: I guess I've been doing it ever since, right You're like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: why don't I just do this? Yes, instead of whatever
Speaker 2: I was doing, And then you just did it and
Speaker 2: it turned out to be pretty successful. I mean, people,
Speaker 2: a lot of people have listened to the stuff that
Speaker 2: you've done. But you're not your background's not and like
Speaker 2: you didn't like go to school for investigative journalism or
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: You didn't.
Speaker 2: You're not like a active like you don't you don't
Speaker 2: have a badge.
Speaker 1: I'm not a real investigator, right, well, I mean play one.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you were to an investigation to identify
Speaker 2: the perpetrator, you couldn't arrest them because.
Speaker 1: That's snitch full of cops, right, you have.
Speaker 2: You couldn't do a citizen's arrest, which I don't even know,
Speaker 2: Like citizens arrest is not even a real thing?
Speaker 1: Is that it ever real? I mean that was like
Speaker 1: an idea, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting, like we I don't know
Speaker 2: about you. I've lived my whole life thinking that there
Speaker 2: was a form of this thing called a citizen's arrest
Speaker 2: that a person could do where they go, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they grab somebody and they're like, you've committed a crime,
Speaker 2: and now I'm you're under arrest, and I guess hold
Speaker 2: you until like hold on to you until the police
Speaker 2: get there.
Speaker 1: Like what did you do? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't make sense really be able to carry cops
Speaker 2: around unless they're doing this. Yeah yeah, right, I don't
Speaker 2: know who's doing it. Hey, listen, here's a topic for
Speaker 2: your next investigative podcast. Citizens arrest up. Put that that's an.
Speaker 1: Easily ten and I'm doing them.
Speaker 3: And then the first one I do, I get arrested
Speaker 3: and you're season you.
Speaker 2: Just exploring the concept of doing a citizens The rest
Speaker 2: is me for jail saying this. I knew this was
Speaker 2: a bad idea, but I didn't think it would be
Speaker 2: this bad.
Speaker 1: Right right. I like that. I love that.
Speaker 2: In fact, you've got to listen, there's so much new
Speaker 2: material to work with now. I'm glad to just be
Speaker 2: a place where you can generate new ideas.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, this is great, this is I needed this.
Speaker 2: I lived to serve. So okay, So High Strange is
Speaker 2: your latest show. It centers on alien phenomena, like whether
Speaker 2: it's abductions or encounters or a lot of it is
Speaker 2: about like sightings of some kind of like flying objects.
Speaker 2: There's been a ton of like noise about that lately.
Speaker 2: There's been these like videos released by the I guess
Speaker 2: by the Navy or the Air Force from like pilots
Speaker 2: from like pilot's planes where they're just seeing like crazy shit.
Speaker 2: So tell me how you ended up deciding to do
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's a big mystery here, so you
Speaker 2: clearly like mysteries, But how did you land on Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go from doing like a show about you know,
Speaker 2: a serial killer who you know, kills children to what's
Speaker 2: up with UFOs?
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of a.
Speaker 2: Not a hard pivot or anything, but it's not you know,
Speaker 2: it's not exactly like, it's not exactly true that like
Speaker 2: a person who's interested in like a true crime story
Speaker 2: about like an unsolved murder might also be interested in UFOs,
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, how does that happen?
Speaker 3: I mean I always love the topic as a kid.
Speaker 3: Just the idea of you know, what if you know,
Speaker 3: are we alone? That kind of thing was an exciting
Speaker 3: thought to me. And I was just a fan of
Speaker 3: sci fi genre and you know, Steven Spielberg all that stuff,
Speaker 3: And you know, I've seen all these recent news stories
Speaker 3: and just seeing the conversation around UFOs in general kind
Speaker 3: of taking a shift and kind of heating up a
Speaker 3: little bit, and you know, different perspectives are entering the
Speaker 3: room and new accounts and it's like, okay, why is
Speaker 3: this like coming back? You know, it'd be a cool
Speaker 3: idea to do a podcast on that. And then it
Speaker 3: wasn't until I started really poking around and looking into
Speaker 3: it more seriously than I realized that there actually is
Speaker 3: something really meaty here that is unexplained, and that seemed
Speaker 3: like it was worth trying to crack. You were like,
Speaker 3: maybe I can finally solve this. If I can find
Speaker 3: the aliens, then I'm rich. Well yeah, obviously, I mean,
Speaker 3: or you're dead or you're dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you could find dead Pain, I
Speaker 2: think you're either rich or dead or people are like no,
Speaker 2: one believes this guy.
Speaker 1: He's a crackpot, Like.
Speaker 3: I'm dead, someone else is rich. Off the documentary they
Speaker 3: made about me doing.
Speaker 2: No Then you're the subject of a true crime documentary
Speaker 2: about who killed Pain?
Speaker 1: Who really killed Pain? And that guy's right?
Speaker 2: Was it the aliens? Was it the government? Here you go,
Speaker 2: another great idea. You have to die for that one,
Speaker 2: But I think it's it'll on the long run, it'll
Speaker 2: be worthy.
Speaker 1: Only get one should only die once. So that's that's true.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, maybe the aliens have some technology
Speaker 2: we don't know about. But like so I've been listening
Speaker 2: to I've listened to a bunch of it and actually
Speaker 2: was just listening to the roundtable you have like this, uh,
Speaker 2: I guess end of season sort of roundtable conversation about
Speaker 2: the episodes.
Speaker 1: And you know, let me just say a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I was listening episode after episode after episode, like and
Speaker 2: by the fourth or fifth episode, I started to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is fucking bullshit, like like like like
Speaker 2: this is not not because of your not because of
Speaker 2: the way you were doing it, but like I was like,
Speaker 2: first off, the way you do the podcast, and it's
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 1: It's really engaging in super entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's really like it feels like to me, if you're
Speaker 2: like a fan of like shit like the X Files,
Speaker 2: or if you I assume you know who Art Bell is.
Speaker 2: Like I used to listen to art Bell like back
Speaker 2: in the day, and I was like, this is the
Speaker 2: greatest shit. Like you put it on, like you're driving
Speaker 2: late at night, art Bell comes on it. It's like
Speaker 2: the vibe ultimate creep fast while you're on like a
Speaker 2: fucking dark road or whatever, right, and that's the vibe
Speaker 2: of I feel like of high strange. It's very art Bell,
Speaker 2: not like bullshit like Cloud Cuckoo laand but like kind
Speaker 2: of that stylistic it's like kind of scary. It's kind
Speaker 2: of scary, like there are parts of it that are
Speaker 2: really creepy, and I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: But there was a part of me.
Speaker 2: That's like, you know, having been in like music production obviously,
Speaker 2: like I have a podcast, I'm kind of like, all right,
Speaker 2: Like they're like bringing up the fucking growling synth sound here,
Speaker 2: and like the guy's talking about the fucking bright light
Speaker 2: hitting them and shit, and I'm like, yeah, this is
Speaker 2: all very compelling, like from a dramatic perspective, we get it,
Speaker 2: get I'm but like but like I'm like, but what
Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy really talking about? You know,
Speaker 2: like do we really are we really supposed to believe
Speaker 2: that in in Snowflake with Arizona, is that where it is? No, yeah, right, yep,
Speaker 2: this is my prevailing thought. That's where the Aliens decided
Speaker 2: to touch down. They needed to go to Arizona to
Speaker 2: this like logging region and abduct like some dude who
Speaker 2: jumped out of a pickup had to do it right,
Speaker 2: And a lot of this stuff is like it's weirdly
Speaker 2: very American, Like a lot of these sightings. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've full it feels that way, like on
Speaker 2: the surface for sure that it's you know, could quite
Speaker 2: possibly be some American folklore thing, right right, but but
Speaker 2: it really actually it isn't. Uh, it's it's been happening
Speaker 2: everywhere in every country for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's just right.
Speaker 3: You know, we have our own sort of memory of it,
Speaker 3: and our own sort of American history of you know,
Speaker 3: ros Will and all these things that happened since then,
Speaker 3: but those versions of that too, in every big country
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: It listened.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just that it's the American or whatever,
Speaker 2: but it is. I started to think, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: I'm listening to these these stories, and these people are
Speaker 2: like sound very like you interviewed this guy who was
Speaker 2: abducted or says he was abducted basically, and and you know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't sound like he's having a good time. Like
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like he's doing it because he's trying
Speaker 2: to get rich and famous.
Speaker 1: He sounds like pretty upset about it.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, and as you listen to someone
Speaker 2: talk about that, you go, okay, well why would anybody you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, so what's the alternative to you? Like, what's
Speaker 3: the what's the rational alternative?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, Like they fucking those guys actually
Speaker 2: like took some acid. They were having a good time,
Speaker 2: They like dropped some acid they had a shared experience,
Speaker 2: like a shared hallucination. Dude went wandering in the forest
Speaker 2: for five days because he was like still high or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then like felt like he had I mean, the
Speaker 2: human mind. This is where I come back to with
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. It's like the human mind is
Speaker 2: capable of very wild leaps, like you know, like love
Speaker 2: sure like on its own right, due to lots of
Speaker 2: different reasons, for lots of different reasons, whether it's like
Speaker 2: a chemical imbalance or like you know, if you don't
Speaker 2: if you don't sleep for a certain amount of days,
Speaker 2: or if you don't drink enough water, like you can
Speaker 2: really like get pretty out there.
Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to.
Speaker 2: Accuse these people of like re videos and having to
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying there are explanations.
Speaker 1: The thing that seems like the least likely explanation.
Speaker 2: This is where I was like, there are parts where
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is very compelling evidence.
Speaker 1: This is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Like you'd hear these Navy, the Air Force guys or
Speaker 2: whatever talking about m H these like these things they
Speaker 2: saw and they're like we had to tell people, like
Speaker 2: we had to get the word out like this is
Speaker 2: crazy or whatever, and you're like, okay, yeah, fair, Like
Speaker 2: these guys are up in the planes like they this
Speaker 2: must be really fucking crazy to them, and who else
Speaker 2: is going to tell us like if something seems weird
Speaker 2: up there, like they're the guys, right, But then I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like how come this is all we've
Speaker 2: got basically right, like like we have these like weird
Speaker 2: shreds of and I know, like it could be the
Speaker 2: government's hiding it because you do this whole thing on
Speaker 2: Roswell and but like you do you really believe? I
Speaker 2: guess what I'm saying is do you really believe?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 2: Is my roundabout way of just grilling you on like
Speaker 2: that there are extraterrestrial life forms visiting planet Earth? Not
Speaker 2: just Arizona obviously, but parts of Arizona and like the
Speaker 2: skies above. I forget where the planes were flying, but
Speaker 2: like Hawaii or something. Maybe Is that what this is
Speaker 2: is that the explanation these are actually like some kind
Speaker 2: of creature, some being some intelligent life form that's like
Speaker 2: zipping down to Earth to check shit out.
Speaker 1: I think it's more than one thing.
Speaker 3: I think that on some accounts there may have been
Speaker 3: live extraterrestrial bodies in some sort of craft that came
Speaker 3: on Earth or in the Earth's atmosphere. I think sometimes
Speaker 3: it's probably some sort of drone, the same way some
Speaker 3: unmanned thing that isn't from Earth per se.
Speaker 2: You think the stuff that those pilots are seen are
Speaker 2: basically drones.
Speaker 1: Those I think are drones.
Speaker 3: That the way that they've kind of they looked and
Speaker 3: they're behaving, it doesn't look like there's anything inside them,
Speaker 3: like I mean, there could be, but right, you know,
Speaker 3: it just kind of begs the question of Okay, well,
Speaker 3: then whose are they? Is it our blunder of a
Speaker 3: national intelligence.
Speaker 2: Like is China it's just trying to have a really
Speaker 2: advanced to us by like fifty years, like how when?
Speaker 2: But see, that's a much more likely explanation, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Is it more likely?
Speaker 2: Or is it more that's a much more likely explanation,
Speaker 2: I mean like likely or familiar. Well, I mean, let's
Speaker 2: just think about the facts like digestible. Well, it's like
Speaker 2: kind of like God, right, Like, I mean, you could
Speaker 2: make an argument that there's some phenomena that occurs or
Speaker 2: like what the reason the seashells have the you know,
Speaker 2: whatever pattern they have is like because that's God at work.
Speaker 2: But like the more likely explanation that we can actually
Speaker 2: get some evidence on is like, well, that's like a
Speaker 2: you know, series of like things that have happened over
Speaker 2: millions of years, like to like the physical properties of
Speaker 2: this evolution of this thing or whatever. You know, we
Speaker 2: can look at like the science a bit and say
Speaker 2: is it if you ask me, like, all right, more
Speaker 2: likely the Chinese have invented or some other country or
Speaker 2: someone or even our government has invented a super sophisticated
Speaker 2: drone to spy on things.
Speaker 1: I mean that I think they have done that. I
Speaker 1: think that sometimes they.
Speaker 2: Have the ones that we know about, but there are
Speaker 2: may be ones we don't know about that they're fucking
Speaker 2: with now, right, Like they the stealth like the stealth
Speaker 2: bomber right for a long time was like this kind
Speaker 2: of like myth mythical thing that they said like they
Speaker 2: weren't doing or whatever. Yeah, but is it more likely
Speaker 2: that it's like some super advanced piece of technology that
Speaker 2: like our government is testing maybe even on their own
Speaker 2: pilots to see how they react, or it's a alien
Speaker 2: being sent down a drone just to probe Earth in
Speaker 2: this particular way, and there's not a lot of other evidence,
Speaker 2: you know, like why are they around the planes at all?
Speaker 2: Like would be a question I get, Like maybe they're
Speaker 2: trying to say why. It's a tough to if you're
Speaker 2: going to swallow the pill of okay, it's this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't think about it through the lens of
Speaker 3: how we're thinking necessarily. I mean, you're so advanced that
Speaker 3: you're coming from a place that we cannot see or
Speaker 3: debating it on a podcast today whether or not it's
Speaker 3: even real, then clearly we're the small.
Speaker 1: Fry here, like right or like one hundred.
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes we don't get too or there's a
Speaker 2: lot of other things we don't understand either. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: are other explanations that are fucking crazy that I might
Speaker 2: actually say are possibly more likely, Like, for instance, is
Speaker 2: it more likely that the aliens are sending down a
Speaker 2: probe that we is just so advanced, or we're living
Speaker 2: in a city simulation and the probes are like some
Speaker 2: glitch in the fucking program. Or Now, by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily subscribe to the simulation theory, but like
Speaker 2: I don't know that in some way seems more likely
Speaker 2: to be and I don't know why. But then again
Speaker 2: on the why if if it was a simulation, why
Speaker 2: don't we have aliens? Like why don't we have aliens?
Speaker 2: Like why aren't there like real good aliens showing up
Speaker 2: like Independence Day stuff?
Speaker 1: That's like the that's like the why me?
Speaker 3: Like, is it like what if it was so vast
Speaker 3: that we were literally nothing?
Speaker 1: Like what you mean?
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like what if billions of other planets that
Speaker 3: had life like ours, maybe on a podcast saying the
Speaker 3: same shit right, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, there's some fucking tentacled aliens doing a
Speaker 2: podcast on their planet and.
Speaker 1: It all like why aren't you coming to check us out?
Speaker 2: Well, they don't even know we exist, because we're like
Speaker 2: a planet, like a rock somewhere that they are not
Speaker 2: even interested in. I mean, that is the question is
Speaker 2: like what is the nature of this thing? It is
Speaker 2: like they're obviously not visible to us in any meaningful
Speaker 2: way if they were some other creature. I mean, to
Speaker 2: your point though, about what if we're like one of
Speaker 2: billions of like intelligent beings in the universe. I think
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, But the going concept is
Speaker 2: that's most likely, right, we can't even fathom the vastness
Speaker 2: of space and all of the things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all.
Speaker 2: The statistically, that's realistic to a degree that it exists.
Speaker 1: Well, the other.
Speaker 2: Explanation is a religious one. I think the alternate explanation
Speaker 2: is like, we're put here by a special being who
Speaker 2: wanted us to exist. Therefore we're the only one. I
Speaker 2: think if these are aliens, I would say it's bad
Speaker 2: news for religious people.
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, it is, and I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: a problem. I think that's that's why it's so touchy
Speaker 3: for some people. And it's like, even if you're not
Speaker 3: super religious, if you just you know, you have a
Speaker 3: certain way of thinking about the world and how you
Speaker 3: operate on a daily basis. This definitely pokes at the
Speaker 3: and that it's uncomfortable, you know. It's like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to reshape the way that I view the universe
Speaker 3: and my existence, right.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I think without question, the single biggest
Speaker 2: moment for us as humans would be to discover that
Speaker 2: there is like it have to be right, Yeah, something
Speaker 2: like us that is in us, that exists in the
Speaker 2: universe that we have no awareness or control over it.
Speaker 2: I mean, and maybe that's like to the point of
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that you talk about on
Speaker 2: the show, Like maybe that's why people can't get at
Speaker 2: this information, like you know, but I feel like, listen,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, didn't they have to brief Trump
Speaker 2: on this shit? Don't you think Donald Trump, if you
Speaker 2: got briefed on the aliens?
Speaker 3: I don't think the presidents know shit really, be honest,
Speaker 3: I think the absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Now you don't think Biden is down there in area
Speaker 1: fifty one?
Speaker 3: Like I think maybe some presidents at some point one
Speaker 3: time were briefed on little nuggets of things here and there. Right,
Speaker 3: I think the biggest uh like misconception is that the
Speaker 3: government knows everything. I think that they're realizing that we
Speaker 3: like they don't know. Like, I mean, maybe at one
Speaker 3: point they did know more than they did, and those
Speaker 3: guys died right with that information? What did the grave
Speaker 3: with it? Wouldn't at this point if it was like
Speaker 3: and maybe I could be wrong too, if it's total bullshit? Right,
Speaker 3: are we just so creative and so have just such
Speaker 3: good imagination like that we keep it alive? Like shouldn't
Speaker 3: it be dead by now?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean right. I don't know.
Speaker 2: People love a good mystery, as you know, I mean
Speaker 2: as a man who's producing and being a part of
Speaker 2: these like true crime podcasts and now this one about aliens.
Speaker 1: Like the Bigfoot there is, right, I mean maybe it is. Well.
Speaker 2: I mean there's like been multiple TV shows about big
Speaker 2: like recently, I think, like Bigfoothunters was a thing, but
Speaker 2: like other more believers like every day Yeah, but Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is actually a way worse story because it's like is
Speaker 2: the thing walking around or not? Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we saw this guy in the forest and it's like
Speaker 2: either he's there or he is. And now we've got
Speaker 2: like drones and GPS and all this shit and like
Speaker 2: fucking phones like where we can take video and people
Speaker 2: He's not popping up, you know, Bigfoot's not popping up
Speaker 2: grabbing people's like sandwiches out of their hand at this
Speaker 2: at the campsite.
Speaker 1: Right, He's just the ultimate hide and seek player.
Speaker 2: People love this idea of the unknown. I mean, think
Speaker 2: about how much of our life is arranged around these
Speaker 2: I mean, religion is a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Is this idea of this unfathomable, unknowable.
Speaker 3: Thing lined faith and an idea that you can't necessarily prove.
Speaker 2: Basically, you could make arguments that things prove it, but
Speaker 2: like they're not house either one more or less real. Well,
Speaker 2: someone would say something else, but but then they're still
Speaker 2: they're applying the way they feel and about it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got more evidence of aliens than you do of
Speaker 2: God at this point, technically speaking, you do for sure, right,
Speaker 2: Like like I don't have there's no like video of
Speaker 2: God like shooting a round up near a fucking F
Speaker 2: one whatever the jets are called.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they are.
Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna say, f he doubly drives
Speaker 2: an F one fifty there, right, he has to do. No,
Speaker 2: they got there's around the F one definite. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: are the jets? They're F fifteen's or something, F sixteenss
Speaker 2: F eighteens. All right, they've gone up to eighteen now,
Speaker 2: they've gotten very advanced. But yeah, if we think that's
Speaker 2: the best evidence we have, I mean, there was this
Speaker 2: story the other day that Tucker Carlson has been talking about,
Speaker 2: which like you know immediately is problematic probably, but there's
Speaker 2: like some the government has alien bodies, Like what is
Speaker 2: your take on that so it's all based on this guy,
Speaker 2: this whistleblower, guy David Grush.
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's highly decorated with tons of clearance. And he's
Speaker 3: coming forward saying that we have a alien crash retrieval
Speaker 3: program and we have like twelve different crafts. We've collecked
Speaker 3: it over the years and have studied this and that.
Speaker 3: When you hear him talk, he sounds like what a
Speaker 3: do you believable human being?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You start to wonder, Okay, what is this guy's motivation
Speaker 3: to lie to Congress? I think that he believes this, right,
Speaker 3: So what is it? Yeah, I mean, what is it?
Speaker 3: I think does he have any evidence? So the problem
Speaker 3: is with this particular story is that he isn't the
Speaker 3: guy who has literally witnessed these things with his eyes.
Speaker 3: He is a guy who has been told this by
Speaker 3: like dozens of people in a private sector of the government, right, right,
Speaker 3: And so if he was the guy with the pictures
Speaker 3: and the stuff, it would be a little bit different.
Speaker 3: So this guy believes what he was told, and I
Speaker 3: think he was told this stuff. Question is, Okay, why
Speaker 3: was he told this stuff?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, that's sort of like the like I was saying
Speaker 2: about the drones could be some test of some technology
Speaker 2: or some test of some security.
Speaker 1: Is that guy the twelve crafts from off world vehicles? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They're like, who are going to be the leakers in
Speaker 2: our work? Like let's put out a really shocking piece
Speaker 2: of am and we say this is top top secret.
Speaker 2: This cannot be known by anyone. It's an issue of
Speaker 2: national security. And they're like, where are the weak links?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the extent of it, and they're like, who
Speaker 2: cares of this guy's story is out there? Because one,
Speaker 2: we know this guy's a weak link and we can't
Speaker 2: trust him with real information. And two, no one's going
Speaker 2: to believe it because it's a ridiculous story that he
Speaker 2: has no evidence to back up. My mind always goes
Speaker 2: to the what is the more likely explanation, because like
Speaker 2: I guess, I want to find like what makes sense,
Speaker 2: not just like what's exciting to think about, Like it's
Speaker 2: exciting to think he's right, but if I step back
Speaker 2: and look at the cold, hard facts, like maybe somebody's
Speaker 2: just fucking with him, you know, or it was a
Speaker 2: loyalty test, totally possible, but what maybe they're doing programs
Speaker 2: now way more often to find the next Reality winner
Speaker 2: or Ebwett's notte like you know who's inside here who
Speaker 2: could like damage us. Well, what's odd is there's people
Speaker 2: in Congress who are taking it seriously right, They're.
Speaker 1: Not are any of them Democrats?
Speaker 3: So this is also a very kind of odd observation,
Speaker 3: especially for right now right. I mean, there's been some
Speaker 3: big stories that have been you know, on both sides
Speaker 3: over the years, but as of recent it seemed it
Speaker 3: seems like a very right centric story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really think.
Speaker 3: That's probably because it's it's kind of part of the
Speaker 3: ideology a little bit that like, you know, the government's
Speaker 3: got the secrets and you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 3: up against the man and don't trust the government. So
Speaker 3: it really kind of, yeah, one it plays into that,
Speaker 3: and with a Democrat in office, it's like that mentality
Speaker 3: is kind of a good one to have if you
Speaker 3: were trying to like, you know, replace them. And I
Speaker 3: think on the left, it's like they're probably sitting there
Speaker 3: thinking like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Is this shit real? Like truly not right?
Speaker 2: But we're not going to like make this a political
Speaker 2: debate for the presidency, are we It's interesting, actually I
Speaker 2: can imagine this kind of thing in a previous era
Speaker 2: of our government. Not that our government has ever been
Speaker 2: like the most functional or whatever, but I think if
Speaker 2: you went back like fifty years or something, you might
Speaker 2: find that if somebody was like, hey, we've got evidence
Speaker 2: of a UFO, you might find some bipartisan conversations going on. Right,
Speaker 2: like you might find these old school the people who
Speaker 2: are like the old school, like congressmen and women, and
Speaker 2: there were not that many women.
Speaker 1: Fifty years ago.
Speaker 2: But I do think that it's notable that there is
Speaker 2: a lot of right or Republican support for it. To
Speaker 2: your point, Yeah, it plays into this like the government
Speaker 2: is like weirdly like the governments against us. The government
Speaker 2: has like secrets that they they're not going to tell
Speaker 2: us or whatever. But it also is feeds into all
Speaker 2: of the a whole bunch of stuff, and which makes
Speaker 2: which gives me pause actually when I think if like
Speaker 2: they're embracing it, because it's like it's like the QAnon.
Speaker 1: It's like a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: You know, Biden stole the election from Trump, and you
Speaker 2: know that the dominion machines and all this like stuff
Speaker 2: that you draw the line right, yeah, Well, and it
Speaker 2: is a little bit suspect. I would say, like if
Speaker 2: somebody's like, you know what, I don't. I think vaccines
Speaker 2: are deadly and you can't take them because the government
Speaker 2: engineered them to destroy your body and mind or whatever
Speaker 2: they think about vaccines. And I think QAnon is real.
Speaker 2: There's like a child sex cult that the Democrats are
Speaker 2: running and shipping children in wayfair fucking you know dressers
Speaker 2: or whatever, like you know, dominion, the voting machines were
Speaker 2: rigged for Biden. Oh and also UFOs are real, Like
Speaker 2: I definitely my spidey sense tingles a little bit about
Speaker 2: like who's believing it? You know, it's like if if
Speaker 2: that group, if every one of the things they believe
Speaker 2: is bullshitting for the most part. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: everything in Republican believes is bullshit. I'm saying in that
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of conspiracies theories that now swarm.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder why that is the case.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's either either they're more open we say
Speaker 2: they're more open to.
Speaker 1: I think they're more open and took taking risks.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also maybe more open to anything that
Speaker 2: kind of chips away at like the foundations of like
Speaker 2: democracy and stability that angle, I mean, right, like like
Speaker 2: anything where you can say the government's hiding it from
Speaker 2: the people, then you kind of chip a little bit
Speaker 2: away at like whether we should be really getting behind
Speaker 2: these people or get behind the people who say.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really the government hiding it from the government.
Speaker 3: At this point, that's what's being such like that's what
Speaker 3: that's what's being alleged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't they won't let Marjorie Taylor Green into
Speaker 2: the vault where they have the alien bodies.
Speaker 1: And that is why we don't have to she already
Speaker 1: she she knows, She's sorry, No, born know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying to make it.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like say it's a political thing,
Speaker 2: but it is unusual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, I mean, I will say this as
Speaker 3: an observation.
Speaker 1: It has stood the test of time a little bit though.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like the COVID vaccine stuff, and you know,
Speaker 3: the shipping the people in the wayveraranddressers is like those
Speaker 3: are like newer.
Speaker 2: We don't know if they're gonna stick around the way
Speaker 2: that aliens will.
Speaker 3: Right, like eventually they're kind of like, Okay, well never mind,
Speaker 3: but this is kind of it hasn't become less likely.
Speaker 2: Really, there's also like a lot of history of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, we know the government hides things, like that's true, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: Like our government, for lots of good reasons and also
Speaker 2: for non good reasons, hides things from the American people, right, don't.
Speaker 2: They obviously are not telling us everything they know about everything.
Speaker 2: It's like this shit with Trump, like he had these documents,
Speaker 2: it's like here's how we'd invade Iran or whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, like they're probably not.
Speaker 2: They don't want to go out and be like we
Speaker 2: have a plan to invade a foreign country and here's
Speaker 2: how we do it. So yeah, you know, like we
Speaker 2: all know they are keeping secrets from us, The question
Speaker 2: is like how many and how crazy are they?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: I don't think the government's smart enough to keep a
Speaker 3: secret like this forever. That's why I think it's really
Speaker 3: there isn't a lot of people who really know.
Speaker 1: Well, right.
Speaker 2: But the other thing is that has the narrative about
Speaker 2: UFOs evolved, like forget about like obviously we have this
Speaker 2: footage and we have like new people coming forward and
Speaker 2: saying we think something's going on, But does it feel
Speaker 2: like the nature of these encounters or what people are
Speaker 2: witnessing has evolved from like Roswell or the sixties or
Speaker 2: seventies to like today.
Speaker 1: Did you get a sense of that?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean I think that one not
Speaker 3: every sighting or claim is true. I would say probably
Speaker 3: a majority of them are not right, But the ones
Speaker 3: that have the most evidence and are the hardest to debunk,
Speaker 3: I think some of those probably are true. So that
Speaker 3: the a level of influence I'm sure from other stories
Speaker 3: in the past that's kind of shaped this trope idea
Speaker 3: of what aliens are and what a flying saucer is.
Speaker 3: But what's more compelling to me than even some of
Speaker 3: the Navy pilot stuff today is going back to the
Speaker 3: sixties or seventies or eighties even and looking at some
Speaker 3: of the physical evidence of like pictures and stuff that
Speaker 3: have been confirmed by Kodak.
Speaker 1: It's not photoshop.
Speaker 3: You knew where technology was at the time. It makes
Speaker 3: you say, okay, well, what is it for real? Like right,
Speaker 3: it's easy to say that this thing, this tic tac
Speaker 3: thing is from China today because yeah, that's probably very that's.
Speaker 1: More likely than not forty years ago though, right? Right?
Speaker 1: But is it it's not a tick tac forty years ago?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Some of them look like that, to be honest, they do.
Speaker 3: So that's what I kind of what I was asking
Speaker 3: is like, it's also not one thing. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's it's like, right, you know, like the the trope
Speaker 3: is like, you know, aliens are from Mars, and it's
Speaker 3: like it's like one like set of beings and they're
Speaker 3: more advanced than us, and we're us and it's us
Speaker 3: and them. What if it's just literally thousands or tens
Speaker 3: of thousands of different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they're all just hiding, like like does
Speaker 2: this only one of them will be a little bit shining?
Speaker 1: Isn't necessarily you know, like going behind a planet? Right?
Speaker 3: What if it's more of a like you know, it's
Speaker 3: like we learn more and more every day about the
Speaker 3: idea that maybe the universe itself is like straight up infinite.
Speaker 3: At this point, it's just like, right, you know, just
Speaker 3: fast going this way. But what if it was like
Speaker 3: almost the same thing this way where it was like
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, you're saying they could be like it could be
Speaker 2: like us in another dimension. Actually it could be stuff
Speaker 2: that we're doing, Like a.
Speaker 1: Version of that is more likely than anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, right, it's like a very advanced drone from
Speaker 2: a different version of America, from a more advanced version
Speaker 2: of our reality. Like that would be that would be
Speaker 2: very fitting actually with us. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that would be like it would make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. I think if we know that, like our
Speaker 2: country is like doing all the surveillance and shit, and
Speaker 2: like if you can imagine that there's an alternate reality
Speaker 2: or dimension version of Earth and there's an America or
Speaker 2: some version of it, like it would make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense that they've created some drone that's trying to
Speaker 2: probe into like other dimensions.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that what we're doing. Aren't we working
Speaker 1: on shit like that?
Speaker 2: Like if we could do that, we would do that,
Speaker 2: so right, means that we would eventually do that. You
Speaker 2: know what, Here's the thing that gets me, Like all
Speaker 2: this is really exciting and interesting to think about, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this is such like a it's such
Speaker 2: a fun thought exercise to go through, Like all this
Speaker 2: is but like you know, and and maybe tell me
Speaker 2: if you feel this way, like lots of crazy things
Speaker 2: happen have happened in our lifetime and in the in
Speaker 2: the you know, years and decades centuries before us. You know,
Speaker 2: it's never been like a dragon that showed up like
Speaker 2: just a fucking like a godzilla. Never like the shit
Speaker 2: that happens in movies, which is the stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 2: It never really seems to happen like my thing that
Speaker 2: one of the things I get stuck on was to
Speaker 2: us sometimes is is I mean, life's pretty straightforward, pretty
Speaker 2: like understandable, and pretty boring in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm bored, but in the grand schame
Speaker 2: of things. We like to watch like the Marvel movies
Speaker 2: because they present this fantastic world where unbelievable, unimaginable things
Speaker 2: can happen. In our actual world be very rarely more predictable,
Speaker 2: we very rarely see them. I mean, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you one that I've experienced. I mean,
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. It is probably like the closest to
Speaker 2: something in my lifetime that I experienced where I was like,
Speaker 2: this is like something from a movie. This isn't supposed
Speaker 2: to happen. This is like some kind of event that's
Speaker 2: occurring that feels like otherworldly.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't mean like alien.
Speaker 2: I mean it just felt like not to not trying
Speaker 2: to make it a nine to eleven episode, but I'm
Speaker 2: just saying it's like an wildly impactful to break with reality.
Speaker 1: Like and by the way, that has.
Speaker 2: A totally explainable human element.
Speaker 1: But how long is your scope here? Is it? Well?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I guess for your lifetime, right,
Speaker 2: I get yeah, from my lifetime. But like, but a
Speaker 2: dragon never attacked like the Old West, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no like story about how like some giant grasshopper
Speaker 2: like destroyed a town in the in the Old West
Speaker 2: or whatever, like you know, or something like that is
Speaker 2: totally outrageous. It's like, yeah, Buffalo Bill, like did he
Speaker 2: was a really good shot or whatever? Or like there
Speaker 2: was a lot of crime in the before you know,
Speaker 2: America was you know, I just say, like, it's not
Speaker 2: any of this, It's never this well. Strangely enough, though,
Speaker 2: there are there are stories that go way back that that.
Speaker 3: It sound like aliens, like like from the Old West.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could even look at the Bible like
Speaker 3: that if you'd like to.
Speaker 2: But it's listen. I mean, I've read the book Fingerprints
Speaker 2: of the Gods, which is basically I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know that book at all, but which is about
Speaker 2: like there is a intelligent life on this planet long
Speaker 2: before the light where we thought life began. And there
Speaker 2: are all these maps, detailed maps they had of like
Speaker 2: underneath glaciers, of the land underneath glaciers, and like if
Speaker 2: you look at these like Aztec drawings of people, they
Speaker 2: appear to be like people sitting inside of a craft.
Speaker 2: Like it's actually pretty interesting, pretty compelling, but like there's
Speaker 2: no like wing of a ship.
Speaker 3: There's no smoking gun, right, yeah, Like there's where's the
Speaker 3: part of the point. What would be the smoking gun
Speaker 3: to you? And would it only be to you? And like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, what would the smoking gun be?
Speaker 2: I think if if Biden came out and was like, listen,
Speaker 2: I've read all these I've heard these stories. I said,
Speaker 2: I want to get to the truth.
Speaker 1: And we went in.
Speaker 2: There's been a program and we have collected alien ships.
Speaker 2: We don't know this, we don't know that, but that's
Speaker 2: what's going on. We're working on it, you know, TBD,
Speaker 2: like like we'll let you know what happens. I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's I'd be like, that's.
Speaker 1: Really how many people would believe him and how many would.
Speaker 2: Know The Republicans would immediately be like, okay, there is
Speaker 2: no such thing as aliens. That's this is a trick.
Speaker 2: This is to get Biden's trying to get you get
Speaker 2: it re elected. I mean, I think if I think
Speaker 2: if we had had a nine to eleven type of
Speaker 2: experience with like an alien with an unidentified spacecraft, you know,
Speaker 2: if it like blew something up or landed somewhere and
Speaker 2: people were like, okay, there's fucking aliens here, Like I'd
Speaker 2: be willing to believe it. I mean, I think if
Speaker 2: somebody pulled out like a body, unless again it was
Speaker 2: Joe Biden personally dragged an alien body onto State within
Speaker 2: and was like it was like here it is, okay,
Speaker 2: check it out. By the way, Biden, I feel like
Speaker 2: might do that, Like I feel like it's not posh.
Speaker 2: I wasn't supposed to grab this. Yeah, okay, So where
Speaker 2: do we go from here? Where do you think we're
Speaker 2: going in terms of uncovering this mystery?
Speaker 3: Mean I think that we're finally at a point with
Speaker 3: the with the government itself, like people in Congress taking
Speaker 3: it seriously enough to investigate it internally, right, you know,
Speaker 3: And why is there a UAP task force? They're referring
Speaker 3: to off world vehicles like that's what they're Wait, do
Speaker 3: they actually refer to off world view?
Speaker 1: They do refer to them as that, Yes, they do.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Union, there's like a doc there's documented like
Speaker 2: government officials.
Speaker 1: They have used these terms. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's definitely, that's definitely a little disconcern.
Speaker 3: There are people in power who don't think it's stupid, right, sure,
Speaker 3: now maybe they're stupid.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's stupid. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like I think that there we're going to try
Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of something, but I think
Speaker 3: that we end up in the same place. I think
Speaker 3: anyone who's crossing their fingers for some disclosure, if there
Speaker 3: was something revelatory to disclose, it wouldn't be disclosed anyways, right,
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen that way. I think there's
Speaker 3: too many cold war games going on too with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, really, I think because sciences only seem to
Speaker 3: further support the idea of et life over time and
Speaker 3: not you know, cross that off the list. If someone
Speaker 3: like Russia or China did have spacecraft, wouldn't that be
Speaker 3: something you'd want to know? And so I think that
Speaker 3: if you did, you're not going to show your hand
Speaker 3: and do that, or maybe you don't, and maybe it's
Speaker 3: like what's going on?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: This is just like Independence Day. It really kind of
Speaker 2: is iconic film, I mean, perfect movie. But the idea
Speaker 2: of like the government kind of hoarding these like crafts
Speaker 2: or any evidence to like try to use it obviously
Speaker 2: for like military purposes or just under to understand it
Speaker 2: makes would make perfect sense. And yeah, you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to tell like the other superpowers of the world, like, hey,
Speaker 2: we have this thing, because like you know, it's either
Speaker 2: open season or who knows what like exactly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I also think it is the panic a part of it.
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's still this idea that if
Speaker 2: you tell people like there are beings from another planet
Speaker 2: that are visiting ours like that we don't understand and
Speaker 2: can't control, right, do a lot of people fly into it.
Speaker 3: People in the government probably are concerned about that obviously
Speaker 3: because there's so much religion in our country. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I think that that is waning a little bit as well.
Speaker 3: I think that the younger generation doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, we already thought they were real anyways. Yes,
Speaker 3: but you know it's it's old pop pop who is like,
Speaker 3: doesn't want to rethink his belief SYSM at ninety years old,
Speaker 3: right right right, He's trying to get to heaven.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be like there's a fucking spacecraft
Speaker 2: waiting up there, but like or.
Speaker 1: It's or goes deeper though, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: it might be too. I think it's it's.
Speaker 3: Not as cut and dry as that. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh yeah, there's entities out there and
Speaker 3: you know sometimes they're here. It might be more intimate
Speaker 3: than that, and it might be more alarming in that way.
Speaker 2: Huh to me, Like the idea is so fun. I
Speaker 2: want to believe now, I like, I kind of don't
Speaker 2: know how I feel. Like I think in my like
Speaker 2: you said, people kind of accept it now. I think
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, not even in the
Speaker 2: back of my mind. If you ask me point blank,
Speaker 2: like do you think there are aliens. I'd be like
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. There's definitely alien life out there. There's
Speaker 2: there are intelligent beings that are as intelligent as us,
Speaker 2: if not more, and probably lots of them in the
Speaker 2: universe because we don't we just can't understand the vastness
Speaker 2: of it the place, you know, where if we kind
Speaker 2: of started on this is like whether they're here or
Speaker 2: have been here, or are looking.
Speaker 1: Or maybe that's the biggest that's the unknown.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's both unknown, but that is the
Speaker 3: bigger mystery of right now.
Speaker 2: Well, one it's easier to guess on is that like, yeah,
Speaker 2: in the infinite universe, are there more planets like Earth?
Speaker 1: Like that?
Speaker 2: I feel like there has to be. But then the
Speaker 2: are they coming here? As anybody is anything coming here?
Speaker 2: Like I think we want it to be true. I
Speaker 2: think we want to understand something bigger than than humanity.
Speaker 2: Like I think we want something And I don't mean
Speaker 2: just just I mean I think that religion sometimes that's
Speaker 2: what that's what religion is. It's a higher purpose, right,
Speaker 2: It's like a thing that you can't touch and understand.
Speaker 2: Do you have to just kind of blindly, you know,
Speaker 2: lead with and it's but I think that, But I
Speaker 2: think we also want to like understand the universe better.
Speaker 2: Like I think that humans generally speaking, are you know,
Speaker 2: there's a huge amount of our time that's been spent
Speaker 2: on this planet trying to figure out the planet, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to figure out like what the fuck.
Speaker 1: We are, where are we going? How does it all work?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like, and I think that we have an innate curiosity,
Speaker 2: And I feel like the alien thing is in some way,
Speaker 2: even with two people who do not consider themselves to
Speaker 2: have like a exploratory or scientific mind, I think it's
Speaker 2: a little bit like what is it? Like, what does
Speaker 2: it mean if that's the real thing? And I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: High Straine definitely gets into that the human aspect of it,
Speaker 2: where people are like on a personal level saying like
Speaker 2: I want to understand this. So what happens now with
Speaker 2: the show? Is there more like do you keep going
Speaker 2: on this? Like is there more to do? Like how
Speaker 2: does this for you personally? What happens next? If anything?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the conversation, I think is is
Speaker 3: never going away. Just how it might be unbelievable to
Speaker 3: imagine that there's going to be some smoking gun that appears.
Speaker 1: I think the same.
Speaker 3: On the opposite end, there's nothing that's going to come
Speaker 3: at this point and just say it's not possible, right right.
Speaker 3: I think we're far away from that too, So the
Speaker 3: conversation is not going away, and I think we'll learn
Speaker 3: more every single day with technology and you know, the
Speaker 3: government taking different approaches and different people in power, and
Speaker 3: hopefully learn and dispel some of the myths and rumors
Speaker 3: and conspiracies over time. So for me, this was kind
Speaker 3: of just a one of one installment, but I really
Speaker 3: do feel like we should make a second season that
Speaker 3: actually explores the sightings that are outside of the US.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you considering doing that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean that would be also great because
Speaker 1: you get to travel, right, Like that'd be fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mean, do do people see UFOs in London?
Speaker 2: I know that there have been sightings in South America,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's like every major country they have their own like
Speaker 3: UFO files, are they? Uh, they're all kinds of things,
Speaker 3: just like cars are common threads.
Speaker 2: I think that's one that I get kind of like,
Speaker 2: why aren't they all one thing? I think we want
Speaker 2: some uniformity to this exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like it's impossible to put it into a box, right,
Speaker 3: It's like like like, you know, it's like the thing
Speaker 3: with the cows.
Speaker 2: You know, there's like these cows that were like dissected
Speaker 2: or exploded or whatever. And maybe that one has been debunked.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but maybe there's one alien that's like
Speaker 2: interested in the cows and it's like exploding the cows.
Speaker 2: And then there's a there's another alien, another thing that's
Speaker 2: like wants to know how our planes work and that's
Speaker 2: why they're up in the sky. And there's another one
Speaker 2: that's like we got to probe these humans, so they're
Speaker 2: abducting the guy in the the forest or whatever, and they're.
Speaker 1: Not all the same.
Speaker 2: Like that to me is actually like it's not terrifying,
Speaker 2: but it is a kind of fucking crazy idea, right
Speaker 2: because we're all like, oh, they're the little green men
Speaker 2: with the big eyes.
Speaker 1: That's what I think it is.
Speaker 3: I think that's the reality is it's so many things
Speaker 3: and that, and it makes it more confusing and it
Speaker 3: is more alarming that way.
Speaker 2: It's way more I mean, I think, if like if
Speaker 2: Biden came out, this is my scenarios. Biden comes out
Speaker 2: because I just love the idea of him talking about
Speaker 2: aliens just seems.
Speaker 1: Like it'd be fine.
Speaker 2: But he comes out, he's like, we got aliens or whatever, right,
Speaker 2: and then he's like, here they are. But but if
Speaker 2: he's like, we got aliens, but there's a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of different ones, and they got different they do different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's like some with like tentacles. There's one that like
Speaker 2: we don't see but it like gets into your brain
Speaker 2: or whatever. I'd be like, Okay, this is like fucked
Speaker 2: up like this, and now I'm concerned. Yeah, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: But we'll never know because Biden doesn't fucking know. Like
Speaker 2: you said, he's not he's not being told the truth.
Speaker 2: And I mean, no, I don't know how we solve this.
Speaker 2: Maybe we never solved it. This could be I think.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of time that has to go by.
Speaker 3: It's inevitable if the science itself keeps prevailing and we
Speaker 3: don't like stunt that, then we're going to find something
Speaker 3: as a species.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, like, if there's a good chance that
Speaker 2: once we get our technology advanced enough, we'll go out
Speaker 2: and find it basically, right, Yeah, then we'll be the
Speaker 2: aliens exactly, like what the fuck is this weird tic
Speaker 2: tac object invading our space?
Speaker 1: And then it's like it's like why do they come here?
Speaker 3: And the next thing I know, we're doing like little
Speaker 3: vacation tours of other planets where they don't they don't.
Speaker 1: Know who we are. We got to be real quick
Speaker 1: to get out of that.
Speaker 2: They're like probing the beings on that planet to find
Speaker 2: out what's up with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's all just a cycle.
Speaker 3: This guy has probed like one hundred different aliens somewhere
Speaker 3: and it's not for.
Speaker 2: Science or somebody doesn't citizens arrest on him, you know,
Speaker 2: we can bring.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so wait, so, so what's next for you? If
Speaker 2: you're not doing a high strange season two? You got
Speaker 2: anything else cooking? So I am doing season two?
Speaker 1: You are? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: First things first, I'm working on my next season of
Speaker 2: Up and Vanished right now. Okay, Actually going to Alaska
Speaker 2: tomorrow for one of the cases. Wow, So back and
Speaker 2: forth all summer, but that'll come out later this year.
Speaker 2: Oh awesome. Okay, cool, Well maybe you will come back.
Speaker 2: We can chat about that like some more real world
Speaker 2: yeah or maybe I get abducted out there and I
Speaker 2: have a different stories, and that feels like the kind
Speaker 2: of place where that happens, right, It feels like the
Speaker 2: fucking Northern lights.
Speaker 1: And I actually don't know what's up in Alaska. I've
Speaker 1: never been so weird. Shit, Yeah, a lot of space.
Speaker 2: Well, painting this was super fun and fascinating, and I
Speaker 2: just want to say, like I have enjoyed, like digging
Speaker 2: into the stuff that you do. All Right, next time
Speaker 2: you investigate a murder or an alien, you could come
Speaker 2: back here and talk about it. An alien, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what you definitely have to come back and talk about, doll,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for doing this. Man, I
Speaker 1: really really enjoyed it. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I've I think I'm convinced.
Speaker 2: I think I'm convinced that aliens are real and they're
Speaker 2: they're here, and it's a bunch of them, like a
Speaker 2: bunch of different aliens, and they're just all vaguely visible,
Speaker 2: slightly visible.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a tricky one.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm compelled to believe that there are beings out
Speaker 2: there that want to get in touch with us.
Speaker 1: I want to probe us.
Speaker 2: I want to check us out, want to check out
Speaker 2: our planes, our trains and planes. But on the other hand,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I don't know, man, that seems
Speaker 2: like bullshit, you know, not not not what pain is doing.
Speaker 2: Like I think that's he's like trying to dig into it.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, you know, the guy got abducted.
Speaker 2: Did he you know, did he really get abducted? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like I'm grappling with wanting to believe,
Speaker 2: you know, like like Fox Molder on The X Files,
Speaker 2: you know, played by the Great David Duchovny, one of
Speaker 2: America's national treasures.
Speaker 1: You know, dude wanted to believe. He seemed to believe.
Speaker 2: Actually a lot of episodes he believed pretty strongly about
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. I mean, were wolves, vampires, space vampires,
Speaker 2: space were wolves. I mean it's about all kinds of
Speaker 2: stuff on that show. Godzillas, dragons, weird fish that could talk,
Speaker 2: guy could melt if he wanted to. A monkey with
Speaker 2: the two heads. I don't know that didn't happen on
Speaker 2: The X Files. But at any rate, I want to believe,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to try to believe, and that's where
Speaker 2: I'm at with this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Well, that is our show for this week.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more what future, and
Speaker 2: as always, I wish you and your family the very best,
Speaker 2: though unfortunately I'm concerned that your family will be or
Speaker 2: has already been, abducted by aliens