1 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Joshua Zapolski, and today we have a 3 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: very mysterious, very spectral, very creepy, very unhinged, unsettling, spooky show. 4 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: It will leave you feeling spooked and unsettled. I'm trying 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: to think of synonyms for things that make people feel 6 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: uncomfortable and creeped out. I can't really think of any. 7 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: That's my problem though. That's because I didn't graduate high school. 8 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: If I had done that, I would have a larger 9 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: vocabulary and I'd be able to communicate more effectively to 10 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: the listener. Unfortunately, you get this dumbed down, third grade 11 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: ass version of the show, and you know what, that's 12 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: on me. 13 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: That is on me. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: But today we do have a really fun show, and 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 2: I've been excited to have this conversation. I've been listening 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: to a podcast called Hi Strange, which is hosted by 17 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: a man named Payne Lindsay. And Paine does all these 18 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: different shows. He's done a bunch of true crime stuff, 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: and he is kind of fascinating guy and super fun 20 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: to listen to, and I wanted to talk to him 21 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: because the show is the show he's working on now 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: that he's just done, is about you know, a boy UFOs, 23 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 2: but UFOs as I call them. Nobody else calls them that, 24 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: but I like to. And as a lifetime lover of 25 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: science fiction and creepy shit, I found what he's doing 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: to just be super compelling, and so I wanted to 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: talk to him about what the hell is going on 28 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: with UFOs and aliens and if we're being invaded? And 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: so we got him on the show. So let's get 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: into this conversation. Have you ever considered doing a late 31 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: night like radio show where you take calls from people 32 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: and give them advice and it's called something like bring 33 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: the Pain. 34 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Have you ever considered? 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: No? 36 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: But now I am the concept rights itself. Sorry, I 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: just had that very dumb idea night. Do I owe 38 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: you anything if I use that? 39 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I would just I think it'd be cool, 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: Like if you did it that, then I might want 41 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: a little something like a couple of points on the 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: backhand or whatever. 43 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Right, Well I did say it first. 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's just I mean whatever, you know, just 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: I could be maybe I could come on sometimes it's 46 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: like a sidekick and give my take on the advice, 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: like i'd be give like the counterpoint, right, that's that 48 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: would be fair, right, you bring the pain that. I'm like, 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: just Josh and I come on and I'll make a 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: joke about the whole thing. Now, we're like, yeah, our 51 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: names are confunction as words, at least audibly. 52 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna get into it. 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna get into UFOs, although they're not called UFOs 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: anymore correct. 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: They're called what are they called it? 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: They say UAP. Now, yeah, like UAP sounds more credible. 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: It's like an unidentified airborne phenomenon. 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Is some what it is? Aerial phenomenon? Aerial phinness? 59 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: Okay, welltty, that's pretty close. 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: Same. 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: But before doing High Strange, which is your latest podcast, 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: which explores UFOs or UAPs depending on who you talk to, 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: you've done a ton of true crime stuff and the 64 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: stuff you've done is pretty heavy, some pretty heavy shit. 65 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: So how have you How did you end up in 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: that world? Like what led you there? 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: I was in my mid twenties and I was doing 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: freelance video work, commercials and music videos, and I was 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: just getting burnt out creatively and also financially, and I 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: wanted to create my own thing, a big endeavor to tackle. 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: And I had this crazy idea one day in my apartment, 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: having watched numerous true crime documentaries, like what if I 73 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: made one of those? 74 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Is that possible? How would you even do that? 75 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: So I just went down that path and eventually decided 76 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: to make a podcast instead because it was really as 77 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: a proof of concept. I wanted to make a TV 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: show or a documentary, and I was like, well, I 79 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: can make a podcast in my apartment for one hundred 80 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: bucks versus you know, a fancy TV show, and maybe 81 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: if I can get this off the ground and it works, 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: then that would lead me to the next step. That 83 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: was a simple idea. That was it, and then from 84 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: there I just. 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: I guess I've been doing it ever since, right You're like, oh, hey, 86 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 2: why don't I just do this? Yes, instead of whatever 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: I was doing, And then you just did it and 88 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: it turned out to be pretty successful. I mean, people, 89 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people have listened to the stuff that 90 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: you've done. But you're not your background's not and like 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 2: you didn't like go to school for investigative journalism or 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: I did not. 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: You didn't. 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: You're not like a active like you don't you don't 95 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: have a badge. 96 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not a real investigator, right, well, I mean play one. 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean, if you were to an investigation to identify 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: the perpetrator, you couldn't arrest them because. 99 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: That's snitch full of cops, right, you have. 100 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: You couldn't do a citizen's arrest, which I don't even know, 101 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Like citizens arrest is not even a real thing? 102 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Is that it ever real? I mean that was like 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: an idea, right. 104 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's interesting, like we I don't know 105 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: about you. I've lived my whole life thinking that there 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: was a form of this thing called a citizen's arrest 107 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: that a person could do where they go, yeah, I 108 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: mean they grab somebody and they're like, you've committed a crime, 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: and now I'm you're under arrest, and I guess hold 110 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: you until like hold on to you until the police 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: get there. 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: Like what did you do? Yeah? 113 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, doesn't make sense really be able to carry cops 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: around unless they're doing this. Yeah yeah, right, I don't 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: know who's doing it. Hey, listen, here's a topic for 116 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: your next investigative podcast. Citizens arrest up. Put that that's an. 117 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Easily ten and I'm doing them. 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: And then the first one I do, I get arrested 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: and you're season you. 120 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: Just exploring the concept of doing a citizens The rest 121 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: is me for jail saying this. I knew this was 122 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: a bad idea, but I didn't think it would be 123 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: this bad. 124 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: Right right. I like that. I love that. 125 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: In fact, you've got to listen, there's so much new 126 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: material to work with now. I'm glad to just be 127 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: a place where you can generate new ideas. 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: Oh hey, this is great, this is I needed this. 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: I lived to serve. So okay, So High Strange is 130 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 2: your latest show. It centers on alien phenomena, like whether 131 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: it's abductions or encounters or a lot of it is 132 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 2: about like sightings of some kind of like flying objects. 133 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 2: There's been a ton of like noise about that lately. 134 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: There's been these like videos released by the I guess 135 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: by the Navy or the Air Force from like pilots 136 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: from like pilot's planes where they're just seeing like crazy shit. 137 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: So tell me how you ended up deciding to do 138 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's a big mystery here, so you 139 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: clearly like mysteries, But how did you land on Like, Okay, 140 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go from doing like a show about you know, 141 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: a serial killer who you know, kills children to what's 142 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: up with UFOs? 143 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Like that's sort of a. 144 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: Not a hard pivot or anything, but it's not you know, 145 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: it's not exactly like, it's not exactly true that like 146 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: a person who's interested in like a true crime story 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: about like an unsolved murder might also be interested in UFOs, 148 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, how does that happen? 149 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 3: I mean I always love the topic as a kid. 150 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: Just the idea of you know, what if you know, 151 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: are we alone? That kind of thing was an exciting 152 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: thought to me. And I was just a fan of 153 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: sci fi genre and you know, Steven Spielberg all that stuff, 154 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: And you know, I've seen all these recent news stories 155 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: and just seeing the conversation around UFOs in general kind 156 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: of taking a shift and kind of heating up a 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: little bit, and you know, different perspectives are entering the 158 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: room and new accounts and it's like, okay, why is 159 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: this like coming back? You know, it'd be a cool 160 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: idea to do a podcast on that. And then it 161 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: wasn't until I started really poking around and looking into 162 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: it more seriously than I realized that there actually is 163 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: something really meaty here that is unexplained, and that seemed 164 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: like it was worth trying to crack. You were like, 165 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: maybe I can finally solve this. If I can find 166 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: the aliens, then I'm rich. Well yeah, obviously, I mean, 167 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: or you're dead or you're dead. 168 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you could find dead Pain, I 169 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: think you're either rich or dead or people are like no, 170 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: one believes this guy. 171 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: He's a crackpot, Like. 172 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: I'm dead, someone else is rich. Off the documentary they 173 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: made about me doing. 174 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: No Then you're the subject of a true crime documentary 175 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 2: about who killed Pain? 176 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Who really killed Pain? And that guy's right? 177 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: Was it the aliens? Was it the government? Here you go, 178 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: another great idea. You have to die for that one, 179 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: But I think it's it'll on the long run, it'll 180 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: be worthy. 181 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: Only get one should only die once. So that's that's true. 182 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, maybe the aliens have some technology 183 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: we don't know about. But like so I've been listening 184 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: to I've listened to a bunch of it and actually 185 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 2: was just listening to the roundtable you have like this, uh, 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: I guess end of season sort of roundtable conversation about 187 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: the episodes. 188 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: And you know, let me just say a couple of things. 189 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: I was listening episode after episode after episode, like and 190 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: by the fourth or fifth episode, I started to be like, 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: you know, this is fucking bullshit, like like like like 192 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: this is not not because of your not because of 193 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: the way you were doing it, but like I was like, 194 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: first off, the way you do the podcast, and it's 195 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: very good. 196 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: It's really engaging in super entertaining. 197 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: It's really like it feels like to me, if you're 198 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: like a fan of like shit like the X Files, 199 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: or if you I assume you know who Art Bell is. 200 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: Like I used to listen to art Bell like back 201 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: in the day, and I was like, this is the 202 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: greatest shit. Like you put it on, like you're driving 203 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: late at night, art Bell comes on it. It's like 204 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: the vibe ultimate creep fast while you're on like a 205 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: fucking dark road or whatever, right, and that's the vibe 206 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: of I feel like of high strange. It's very art Bell, 207 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: not like bullshit like Cloud Cuckoo laand but like kind 208 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: of that stylistic it's like kind of scary. It's kind 209 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: of scary, like there are parts of it that are 210 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: really creepy, and I enjoy that. 211 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: But there was a part of me. 212 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: That's like, you know, having been in like music production obviously, 213 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: like I have a podcast, I'm kind of like, all right, 214 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: Like they're like bringing up the fucking growling synth sound here, 215 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: and like the guy's talking about the fucking bright light 216 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 2: hitting them and shit, and I'm like, yeah, this is 217 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: all very compelling, like from a dramatic perspective, we get it, 218 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: get I'm but like but like I'm like, but what 219 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy really talking about? You know, 220 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: like do we really are we really supposed to believe 221 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: that in in Snowflake with Arizona, is that where it is? No, yeah, right, yep, 222 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: this is my prevailing thought. That's where the Aliens decided 223 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: to touch down. They needed to go to Arizona to 224 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: this like logging region and abduct like some dude who 225 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: jumped out of a pickup had to do it right, 226 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: And a lot of this stuff is like it's weirdly 227 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: very American, Like a lot of these sightings. I don't 228 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: know if you've full it feels that way, like on 229 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: the surface for sure that it's you know, could quite 230 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: possibly be some American folklore thing, right right, but but 231 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: it really actually it isn't. Uh, it's it's been happening 232 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: everywhere in every country for a long time. 233 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: It's just right. 234 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: You know, we have our own sort of memory of it, 235 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: and our own sort of American history of you know, 236 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: ros Will and all these things that happened since then, 237 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 3: but those versions of that too, in every big country 238 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: out there. 239 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: It listened. 240 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just that it's the American or whatever, 241 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: but it is. I started to think, like, Okay, well, 242 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm listening to these these stories, and these people are 243 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: like sound very like you interviewed this guy who was 244 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: abducted or says he was abducted basically, and and you know, 245 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: he doesn't sound like he's having a good time. Like 246 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like he's doing it because he's trying 247 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: to get rich and famous. 248 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: He sounds like pretty upset about it. 249 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: So like, you know, and as you listen to someone 250 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: talk about that, you go, okay, well why would anybody you. 251 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, so what's the alternative to you? Like, what's 252 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: the what's the rational alternative? 253 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, Like they fucking those guys actually 254 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: like took some acid. They were having a good time, 255 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: They like dropped some acid they had a shared experience, 256 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: like a shared hallucination. Dude went wandering in the forest 257 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: for five days because he was like still high or whatever, 258 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: and then like felt like he had I mean, the 259 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: human mind. This is where I come back to with 260 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: all of this stuff. It's like the human mind is 261 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: capable of very wild leaps, like you know, like love 262 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: sure like on its own right, due to lots of 263 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: different reasons, for lots of different reasons, whether it's like 264 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: a chemical imbalance or like you know, if you don't 265 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: if you don't sleep for a certain amount of days, 266 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: or if you don't drink enough water, like you can 267 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: really like get pretty out there. 268 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: But I'm not trying to. 269 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: Accuse these people of like re videos and having to 270 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying there are explanations. 271 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: The thing that seems like the least likely explanation. 272 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: This is where I was like, there are parts where 273 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is very compelling evidence. 274 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: This is very interesting. 275 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: Like you'd hear these Navy, the Air Force guys or 276 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: whatever talking about m H these like these things they 277 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: saw and they're like we had to tell people, like 278 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 2: we had to get the word out like this is 279 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: crazy or whatever, and you're like, okay, yeah, fair, Like 280 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: these guys are up in the planes like they this 281 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: must be really fucking crazy to them, and who else 282 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: is going to tell us like if something seems weird 283 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: up there, like they're the guys, right, But then I'm like, 284 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, like how come this is all we've 285 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: got basically right, like like we have these like weird 286 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: shreds of and I know, like it could be the 287 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: government's hiding it because you do this whole thing on 288 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: Roswell and but like you do you really believe? I 289 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 2: guess what I'm saying is do you really believe? 290 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: This? 291 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: Is my roundabout way of just grilling you on like 292 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: that there are extraterrestrial life forms visiting planet Earth? Not 293 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: just Arizona obviously, but parts of Arizona and like the 294 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: skies above. I forget where the planes were flying, but 295 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 2: like Hawaii or something. Maybe Is that what this is 296 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: is that the explanation these are actually like some kind 297 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: of creature, some being some intelligent life form that's like 298 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: zipping down to Earth to check shit out. 299 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: I think it's more than one thing. 300 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: I think that on some accounts there may have been 301 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: live extraterrestrial bodies in some sort of craft that came 302 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: on Earth or in the Earth's atmosphere. I think sometimes 303 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: it's probably some sort of drone, the same way some 304 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 3: unmanned thing that isn't from Earth per se. 305 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 2: You think the stuff that those pilots are seen are 306 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: basically drones. 307 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: Those I think are drones. 308 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: That the way that they've kind of they looked and 309 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: they're behaving, it doesn't look like there's anything inside them, 310 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: like I mean, there could be, but right, you know, 311 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: it just kind of begs the question of Okay, well, 312 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: then whose are they? Is it our blunder of a 313 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: national intelligence. 314 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: Like is China it's just trying to have a really 315 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: advanced to us by like fifty years, like how when? 316 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: But see, that's a much more likely explanation, isn't it? 317 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: Is it more likely? 318 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: Or is it more that's a much more likely explanation, 319 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: I mean like likely or familiar. Well, I mean, let's 320 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: just think about the facts like digestible. Well, it's like 321 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: kind of like God, right, Like, I mean, you could 322 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: make an argument that there's some phenomena that occurs or 323 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: like what the reason the seashells have the you know, 324 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: whatever pattern they have is like because that's God at work. 325 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: But like the more likely explanation that we can actually 326 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: get some evidence on is like, well, that's like a 327 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: you know, series of like things that have happened over 328 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: millions of years, like to like the physical properties of 329 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: this evolution of this thing or whatever. You know, we 330 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: can look at like the science a bit and say 331 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: is it if you ask me, like, all right, more 332 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: likely the Chinese have invented or some other country or 333 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: someone or even our government has invented a super sophisticated 334 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: drone to spy on things. 335 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean that I think they have done that. I 336 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: think that sometimes they. 337 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: Have the ones that we know about, but there are 338 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: may be ones we don't know about that they're fucking 339 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: with now, right, Like they the stealth like the stealth 340 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: bomber right for a long time was like this kind 341 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: of like myth mythical thing that they said like they 342 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: weren't doing or whatever. Yeah, but is it more likely 343 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: that it's like some super advanced piece of technology that 344 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: like our government is testing maybe even on their own 345 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: pilots to see how they react, or it's a alien 346 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: being sent down a drone just to probe Earth in 347 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: this particular way, and there's not a lot of other evidence, 348 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: you know, like why are they around the planes at all? 349 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: Like would be a question I get, Like maybe they're 350 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: trying to say why. It's a tough to if you're 351 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: going to swallow the pill of okay, it's this. 352 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't think about it through the lens of 353 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: how we're thinking necessarily. I mean, you're so advanced that 354 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: you're coming from a place that we cannot see or 355 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: debating it on a podcast today whether or not it's 356 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: even real, then clearly we're the small. 357 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Fry here, like right or like one hundred. 358 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes we don't get too or there's a 359 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: lot of other things we don't understand either. Yeah, there 360 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: are other explanations that are fucking crazy that I might 361 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: actually say are possibly more likely, Like, for instance, is 362 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: it more likely that the aliens are sending down a 363 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: probe that we is just so advanced, or we're living 364 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: in a city simulation and the probes are like some 365 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 2: glitch in the fucking program. Or Now, by the way, 366 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily subscribe to the simulation theory, but like 367 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: I don't know that in some way seems more likely 368 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: to be and I don't know why. But then again 369 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: on the why if if it was a simulation, why 370 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: don't we have aliens? Like why don't we have aliens? 371 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: Like why aren't there like real good aliens showing up 372 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: like Independence Day stuff? 373 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: That's like the that's like the why me? 374 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: Like, is it like what if it was so vast 375 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: that we were literally nothing? 376 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Like what you mean? 377 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: I'm saying, like what if billions of other planets that 378 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: had life like ours, maybe on a podcast saying the 379 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: same shit right, Like. 380 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, there's some fucking tentacled aliens doing a 381 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: podcast on their planet and. 382 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: It all like why aren't you coming to check us out? 383 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, they don't even know we exist, because we're like 384 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 2: a planet, like a rock somewhere that they are not 385 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: even interested in. I mean, that is the question is 386 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: like what is the nature of this thing? It is 387 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: like they're obviously not visible to us in any meaningful 388 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: way if they were some other creature. I mean, to 389 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: your point though, about what if we're like one of 390 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: billions of like intelligent beings in the universe. I think 391 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, But the going concept is 392 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: that's most likely, right, we can't even fathom the vastness 393 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: of space and all of the things. 394 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all. 395 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: The statistically, that's realistic to a degree that it exists. 396 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: Well, the other. 397 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: Explanation is a religious one. I think the alternate explanation 398 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: is like, we're put here by a special being who 399 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: wanted us to exist. Therefore we're the only one. I 400 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: think if these are aliens, I would say it's bad 401 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: news for religious people. 402 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: Generally speaking, it is, and I think that's kind of 403 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: a problem. I think that's that's why it's so touchy 404 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: for some people. And it's like, even if you're not 405 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: super religious, if you just you know, you have a 406 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: certain way of thinking about the world and how you 407 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: operate on a daily basis. This definitely pokes at the 408 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: and that it's uncomfortable, you know. It's like, I don't 409 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: want to reshape the way that I view the universe 410 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 3: and my existence, right. 411 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I think without question, the single biggest 412 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: moment for us as humans would be to discover that 413 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: there is like it have to be right, Yeah, something 414 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: like us that is in us, that exists in the 415 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: universe that we have no awareness or control over it. 416 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean, and maybe that's like to the point of 417 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that you talk about on 418 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: the show, Like maybe that's why people can't get at 419 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: this information, like you know, but I feel like, listen, 420 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, didn't they have to brief Trump 421 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: on this shit? Don't you think Donald Trump, if you 422 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: got briefed on the aliens? 423 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: I don't think the presidents know shit really, be honest, 424 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: I think the absolutely not. 425 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: Now you don't think Biden is down there in area 426 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: fifty one? 427 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: Like I think maybe some presidents at some point one 428 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: time were briefed on little nuggets of things here and there. Right, 429 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: I think the biggest uh like misconception is that the 430 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: government knows everything. I think that they're realizing that we 431 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: like they don't know. Like, I mean, maybe at one 432 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: point they did know more than they did, and those 433 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: guys died right with that information? What did the grave 434 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 3: with it? Wouldn't at this point if it was like 435 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: and maybe I could be wrong too, if it's total bullshit? Right, 436 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: are we just so creative and so have just such 437 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: good imagination like that we keep it alive? Like shouldn't 438 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: it be dead by now? 439 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Well? I mean right. I don't know. 440 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: People love a good mystery, as you know, I mean 441 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: as a man who's producing and being a part of 442 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: these like true crime podcasts and now this one about aliens. 443 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: Like the Bigfoot there is, right, I mean maybe it is. Well. 444 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: I mean there's like been multiple TV shows about big 445 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: like recently, I think, like Bigfoothunters was a thing, but 446 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: like other more believers like every day Yeah, but Bigfoot 447 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: is actually a way worse story because it's like is 448 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: the thing walking around or not? Like it's like, oh, 449 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: we saw this guy in the forest and it's like 450 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: either he's there or he is. And now we've got 451 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: like drones and GPS and all this shit and like 452 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 2: fucking phones like where we can take video and people 453 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: He's not popping up, you know, Bigfoot's not popping up 454 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: grabbing people's like sandwiches out of their hand at this 455 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: at the campsite. 456 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Right, He's just the ultimate hide and seek player. 457 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: People love this idea of the unknown. I mean, think 458 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: about how much of our life is arranged around these 459 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 2: I mean, religion is a big part of it. 460 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Is this idea of this unfathomable, unknowable. 461 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 3: Thing lined faith and an idea that you can't necessarily prove. 462 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: Basically, you could make arguments that things prove it, but 463 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: like they're not house either one more or less real. Well, 464 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: someone would say something else, but but then they're still 465 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: they're applying the way they feel and about it. I mean, 466 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: you got more evidence of aliens than you do of 467 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: God at this point, technically speaking, you do for sure, right, 468 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: Like like I don't have there's no like video of 469 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: God like shooting a round up near a fucking F 470 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 2: one whatever the jets are called. 471 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. 472 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna say, f he doubly drives 473 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: an F one fifty there, right, he has to do. No, 474 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: they got there's around the F one definite. Yeah, what 475 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: are the jets? They're F fifteen's or something, F sixteenss 476 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: F eighteens. All right, they've gone up to eighteen now, 477 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: they've gotten very advanced. But yeah, if we think that's 478 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: the best evidence we have, I mean, there was this 479 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: story the other day that Tucker Carlson has been talking about, 480 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 2: which like you know immediately is problematic probably, but there's 481 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: like some the government has alien bodies, Like what is 482 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: your take on that so it's all based on this guy, 483 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: this whistleblower, guy David Grush. 484 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his name. 485 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, who's highly decorated with tons of clearance. And he's 486 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: coming forward saying that we have a alien crash retrieval 487 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: program and we have like twelve different crafts. We've collecked 488 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: it over the years and have studied this and that. 489 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: When you hear him talk, he sounds like what a 490 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: do you believable human being? 491 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: Right? 492 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: You start to wonder, Okay, what is this guy's motivation 493 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: to lie to Congress? I think that he believes this, right, 494 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: So what is it? Yeah, I mean, what is it? 495 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: I think does he have any evidence? So the problem 496 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: is with this particular story is that he isn't the 497 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: guy who has literally witnessed these things with his eyes. 498 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: He is a guy who has been told this by 499 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: like dozens of people in a private sector of the government, right, right, 500 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: And so if he was the guy with the pictures 501 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: and the stuff, it would be a little bit different. 502 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: So this guy believes what he was told, and I 503 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: think he was told this stuff. Question is, Okay, why 504 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: was he told this stuff? 505 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: Right? 506 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 2: Well, that's sort of like the like I was saying 507 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: about the drones could be some test of some technology 508 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: or some test of some security. 509 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: Is that guy the twelve crafts from off world vehicles? Yeah? 510 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: They're like, who are going to be the leakers in 511 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: our work? Like let's put out a really shocking piece 512 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 2: of am and we say this is top top secret. 513 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: This cannot be known by anyone. It's an issue of 514 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: national security. And they're like, where are the weak links? 515 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: Maybe that's the extent of it, and they're like, who 516 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: cares of this guy's story is out there? Because one, 517 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: we know this guy's a weak link and we can't 518 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: trust him with real information. And two, no one's going 519 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: to believe it because it's a ridiculous story that he 520 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: has no evidence to back up. My mind always goes 521 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: to the what is the more likely explanation, because like 522 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: I guess, I want to find like what makes sense, 523 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: not just like what's exciting to think about, Like it's 524 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: exciting to think he's right, but if I step back 525 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 2: and look at the cold, hard facts, like maybe somebody's 526 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: just fucking with him, you know, or it was a 527 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: loyalty test, totally possible, but what maybe they're doing programs 528 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: now way more often to find the next Reality winner 529 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: or Ebwett's notte like you know who's inside here who 530 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: could like damage us. Well, what's odd is there's people 531 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: in Congress who are taking it seriously right, They're. 532 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: Not are any of them Democrats? 533 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: So this is also a very kind of odd observation, 534 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: especially for right now right. I mean, there's been some 535 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: big stories that have been you know, on both sides 536 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: over the years, but as of recent it seemed it 537 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: seems like a very right centric story. 538 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I really think. 539 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: That's probably because it's it's kind of part of the 540 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: ideology a little bit that like, you know, the government's 541 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 3: got the secrets and you know, it's kind of like 542 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: up against the man and don't trust the government. So 543 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: it really kind of, yeah, one it plays into that, 544 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 3: and with a Democrat in office, it's like that mentality 545 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: is kind of a good one to have if you 546 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: were trying to like, you know, replace them. And I 547 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: think on the left, it's like they're probably sitting there 548 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: thinking like what is going on? 549 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Is this shit real? Like truly not right? 550 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: But we're not going to like make this a political 551 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: debate for the presidency, are we It's interesting, actually I 552 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: can imagine this kind of thing in a previous era 553 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: of our government. Not that our government has ever been 554 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: like the most functional or whatever, but I think if 555 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: you went back like fifty years or something, you might 556 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 2: find that if somebody was like, hey, we've got evidence 557 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: of a UFO, you might find some bipartisan conversations going on. Right, 558 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: like you might find these old school the people who 559 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: are like the old school, like congressmen and women, and 560 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: there were not that many women. 561 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: Fifty years ago. 562 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: But I do think that it's notable that there is 563 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: a lot of right or Republican support for it. To 564 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: your point, Yeah, it plays into this like the government 565 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: is like weirdly like the governments against us. The government 566 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: has like secrets that they they're not going to tell 567 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: us or whatever. But it also is feeds into all 568 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: of the a whole bunch of stuff, and which makes 569 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: which gives me pause actually when I think if like 570 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: they're embracing it, because it's like it's like the QAnon. 571 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: It's like a conspiracy. 572 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: You know, Biden stole the election from Trump, and you 573 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: know that the dominion machines and all this like stuff 574 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: that you draw the line right, yeah, Well, and it 575 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: is a little bit suspect. I would say, like if 576 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: somebody's like, you know what, I don't. I think vaccines 577 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 2: are deadly and you can't take them because the government 578 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: engineered them to destroy your body and mind or whatever 579 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 2: they think about vaccines. And I think QAnon is real. 580 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: There's like a child sex cult that the Democrats are 581 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: running and shipping children in wayfair fucking you know dressers 582 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: or whatever, like you know, dominion, the voting machines were 583 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: rigged for Biden. Oh and also UFOs are real, Like 584 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 2: I definitely my spidey sense tingles a little bit about 585 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: like who's believing it? You know, it's like if if 586 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 2: that group, if every one of the things they believe 587 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: is bullshitting for the most part. And I'm not saying 588 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: everything in Republican believes is bullshit. I'm saying in that 589 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: there's a bunch of conspiracies theories that now swarm. 590 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: It makes you wonder why that is the case. 591 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's either either they're more open we say 592 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: they're more open to. 593 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: I think they're more open and took taking risks. 594 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also maybe more open to anything that 595 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: kind of chips away at like the foundations of like 596 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: democracy and stability that angle, I mean, right, like like 597 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: anything where you can say the government's hiding it from 598 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 2: the people, then you kind of chip a little bit 599 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: away at like whether we should be really getting behind 600 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: these people or get behind the people who say. 601 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's really the government hiding it from the government. 602 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: At this point, that's what's being such like that's what 603 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: that's what's being alleged. 604 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't they won't let Marjorie Taylor Green into 605 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: the vault where they have the alien bodies. 606 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: And that is why we don't have to she already 607 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: she she knows, She's sorry, No, born know. I'm like, 608 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not trying to make it. 609 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like say it's a political thing, 610 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: but it is unusual. 611 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, I mean, I will say this as 612 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: an observation. 613 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: It has stood the test of time a little bit though. 614 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: You know, it's like the COVID vaccine stuff, and you know, 615 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: the shipping the people in the wayveraranddressers is like those 616 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 3: are like newer. 617 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: We don't know if they're gonna stick around the way 618 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: that aliens will. 619 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: Right, like eventually they're kind of like, Okay, well never mind, 620 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: but this is kind of it hasn't become less likely. 621 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: Really, there's also like a lot of history of it. 622 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: I mean, we know the government hides things, like that's true, yeah, right, 623 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Like our government, for lots of good reasons and also 624 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: for non good reasons, hides things from the American people, right, don't. 625 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: They obviously are not telling us everything they know about everything. 626 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: It's like this shit with Trump, like he had these documents, 627 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: it's like here's how we'd invade Iran or whatever. 628 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, like they're probably not. 629 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: They don't want to go out and be like we 630 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: have a plan to invade a foreign country and here's 631 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: how we do it. So yeah, you know, like we 632 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: all know they are keeping secrets from us, The question 633 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: is like how many and how crazy are they? 634 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: Right? 635 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: I don't think the government's smart enough to keep a 636 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,959 Speaker 3: secret like this forever. That's why I think it's really 637 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: there isn't a lot of people who really know. 638 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Well, right. 639 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: But the other thing is that has the narrative about 640 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 2: UFOs evolved, like forget about like obviously we have this 641 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: footage and we have like new people coming forward and 642 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: saying we think something's going on, But does it feel 643 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: like the nature of these encounters or what people are 644 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: witnessing has evolved from like Roswell or the sixties or 645 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 2: seventies to like today. 646 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: Did you get a sense of that? 647 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean I think that one not 648 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: every sighting or claim is true. I would say probably 649 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: a majority of them are not right, But the ones 650 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: that have the most evidence and are the hardest to debunk, 651 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: I think some of those probably are true. So that 652 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: the a level of influence I'm sure from other stories 653 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: in the past that's kind of shaped this trope idea 654 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 3: of what aliens are and what a flying saucer is. 655 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: But what's more compelling to me than even some of 656 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: the Navy pilot stuff today is going back to the 657 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: sixties or seventies or eighties even and looking at some 658 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 3: of the physical evidence of like pictures and stuff that 659 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: have been confirmed by Kodak. 660 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: It's not photoshop. 661 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: You knew where technology was at the time. It makes 662 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: you say, okay, well, what is it for real? Like right, 663 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: it's easy to say that this thing, this tic tac 664 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: thing is from China today because yeah, that's probably very that's. 665 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: More likely than not forty years ago though, right? Right? 666 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: But is it it's not a tick tac forty years ago? 667 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: Is it? 668 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: Some of them look like that, to be honest, they do. 669 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 3: So that's what I kind of what I was asking 670 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: is like, it's also not one thing. I don't think 671 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: it's it's like, right, you know, like the the trope 672 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: is like, you know, aliens are from Mars, and it's 673 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: like it's like one like set of beings and they're 674 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: more advanced than us, and we're us and it's us 675 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 3: and them. What if it's just literally thousands or tens 676 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: of thousands of different things. 677 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they're all just hiding, like like does 678 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: this only one of them will be a little bit shining? 679 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Isn't necessarily you know, like going behind a planet? Right? 680 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 3: What if it's more of a like you know, it's 681 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: like we learn more and more every day about the 682 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: idea that maybe the universe itself is like straight up infinite. 683 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 3: At this point, it's just like, right, you know, just 684 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: fast going this way. But what if it was like 685 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: almost the same thing this way where it was like 686 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, I. 687 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: Mean, you're saying they could be like it could be 688 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: like us in another dimension. Actually it could be stuff 689 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: that we're doing, Like a. 690 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Version of that is more likely than anything. 691 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean, right, it's like a very advanced drone from 692 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: a different version of America, from a more advanced version 693 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: of our reality. Like that would be that would be 694 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: very fitting actually with us. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I 695 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: mean that would be like it would make a lot 696 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: of sense. I think if we know that, like our 697 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: country is like doing all the surveillance and shit, and 698 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: like if you can imagine that there's an alternate reality 699 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 2: or dimension version of Earth and there's an America or 700 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: some version of it, like it would make a lot 701 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: of sense that they've created some drone that's trying to 702 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: probe into like other dimensions. 703 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that what we're doing. Aren't we working 704 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: on shit like that? 705 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 2: Like if we could do that, we would do that, 706 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: so right, means that we would eventually do that. You 707 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: know what, Here's the thing that gets me, Like all 708 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: this is really exciting and interesting to think about, and 709 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, this is such like a it's such 710 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: a fun thought exercise to go through, Like all this 711 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: is but like you know, and and maybe tell me 712 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: if you feel this way, like lots of crazy things 713 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: happen have happened in our lifetime and in the in 714 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: the you know, years and decades centuries before us. You know, 715 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: it's never been like a dragon that showed up like 716 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: just a fucking like a godzilla. Never like the shit 717 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: that happens in movies, which is the stuff we're talking about. 718 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: M h. 719 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 2: It never really seems to happen like my thing that 720 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: one of the things I get stuck on was to 721 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: us sometimes is is I mean, life's pretty straightforward, pretty 722 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 2: like understandable, and pretty boring in a lot of ways. 723 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm bored, but in the grand schame 724 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: of things. We like to watch like the Marvel movies 725 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: because they present this fantastic world where unbelievable, unimaginable things 726 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: can happen. In our actual world be very rarely more predictable, 727 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 2: we very rarely see them. I mean, I don't even know. 728 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you one that I've experienced. I mean, 729 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: nine to eleven. It is probably like the closest to 730 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: something in my lifetime that I experienced where I was like, 731 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: this is like something from a movie. This isn't supposed 732 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 2: to happen. This is like some kind of event that's 733 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: occurring that feels like otherworldly. 734 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, I don't mean like alien. 735 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: I mean it just felt like not to not trying 736 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 2: to make it a nine to eleven episode, but I'm 737 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 2: just saying it's like an wildly impactful to break with reality. 738 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: Like and by the way, that has. 739 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: A totally explainable human element. 740 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: But how long is your scope here? Is it? Well? 741 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I guess for your lifetime, right, 742 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: I get yeah, from my lifetime. But like, but a 743 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 2: dragon never attacked like the Old West, that's true. Yeah, 744 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: there's no like story about how like some giant grasshopper 745 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: like destroyed a town in the in the Old West 746 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: or whatever, like you know, or something like that is 747 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: totally outrageous. It's like, yeah, Buffalo Bill, like did he 748 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 2: was a really good shot or whatever? Or like there 749 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: was a lot of crime in the before you know, 750 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: America was you know, I just say, like, it's not 751 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 2: any of this, It's never this well. Strangely enough, though, 752 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: there are there are stories that go way back that that. 753 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 3: It sound like aliens, like like from the Old West. 754 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 3: I mean, you could even look at the Bible like 755 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 3: that if you'd like to. 756 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 2: But it's listen. I mean, I've read the book Fingerprints 757 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: of the Gods, which is basically I don't know if 758 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: you know that book at all, but which is about 759 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 2: like there is a intelligent life on this planet long 760 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: before the light where we thought life began. And there 761 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: are all these maps, detailed maps they had of like 762 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 2: underneath glaciers, of the land underneath glaciers, and like if 763 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 2: you look at these like Aztec drawings of people, they 764 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 2: appear to be like people sitting inside of a craft. 765 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: Like it's actually pretty interesting, pretty compelling, but like there's 766 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: no like wing of a ship. 767 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: There's no smoking gun, right, yeah, Like there's where's the 768 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: part of the point. What would be the smoking gun 769 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 3: to you? And would it only be to you? And like, well, 770 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 3: you know, what would the smoking gun be? 771 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 2: I think if if Biden came out and was like, listen, 772 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: I've read all these I've heard these stories. I said, 773 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 2: I want to get to the truth. 774 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: And we went in. 775 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 2: There's been a program and we have collected alien ships. 776 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: We don't know this, we don't know that, but that's 777 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: what's going on. We're working on it, you know, TBD, 778 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 2: like like we'll let you know what happens. I'd be like, okay, 779 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 2: that's I'd be like, that's. 780 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: Really how many people would believe him and how many would. 781 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: Know The Republicans would immediately be like, okay, there is 782 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 2: no such thing as aliens. That's this is a trick. 783 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: This is to get Biden's trying to get you get 784 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: it re elected. I mean, I think if I think 785 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 2: if we had had a nine to eleven type of 786 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: experience with like an alien with an unidentified spacecraft, you know, 787 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 2: if it like blew something up or landed somewhere and 788 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: people were like, okay, there's fucking aliens here, Like I'd 789 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: be willing to believe it. I mean, I think if 790 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: somebody pulled out like a body, unless again it was 791 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: Joe Biden personally dragged an alien body onto State within 792 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 2: and was like it was like here it is, okay, 793 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 2: check it out. By the way, Biden, I feel like 794 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 2: might do that, Like I feel like it's not posh. 795 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 2: I wasn't supposed to grab this. Yeah, okay, So where 796 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 2: do we go from here? Where do you think we're 797 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: going in terms of uncovering this mystery? 798 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 3: Mean I think that we're finally at a point with 799 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 3: the with the government itself, like people in Congress taking 800 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: it seriously enough to investigate it internally, right, you know, 801 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: And why is there a UAP task force? They're referring 802 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 3: to off world vehicles like that's what they're Wait, do 803 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: they actually refer to off world view? 804 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: They do refer to them as that, Yes, they do. 805 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Union, there's like a doc there's documented like 806 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 2: government officials. 807 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: They have used these terms. Yeah, it's wild. 808 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's definitely, that's definitely a little disconcern. 809 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 3: There are people in power who don't think it's stupid, right, sure, 810 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 3: now maybe they're stupid. 811 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's stupid. Yeah. 812 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 3: So, like I think that there we're going to try 813 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,439 Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of something, but I think 814 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 3: that we end up in the same place. I think 815 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 3: anyone who's crossing their fingers for some disclosure, if there 816 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: was something revelatory to disclose, it wouldn't be disclosed anyways, right, 817 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 3: It's not going to happen that way. I think there's 818 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: too many cold war games going on too with it. 819 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean, really, I think because sciences only seem to 820 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: further support the idea of et life over time and 821 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 3: not you know, cross that off the list. If someone 822 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 3: like Russia or China did have spacecraft, wouldn't that be 823 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 3: something you'd want to know? And so I think that 824 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 3: if you did, you're not going to show your hand 825 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 3: and do that, or maybe you don't, and maybe it's 826 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 3: like what's going on? 827 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: Right? Right? 828 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: This is just like Independence Day. It really kind of 829 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: is iconic film, I mean, perfect movie. But the idea 830 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 2: of like the government kind of hoarding these like crafts 831 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 2: or any evidence to like try to use it obviously 832 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: for like military purposes or just under to understand it 833 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 2: makes would make perfect sense. And yeah, you wouldn't want 834 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: to tell like the other superpowers of the world, like, hey, 835 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: we have this thing, because like you know, it's either 836 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 2: open season or who knows what like exactly. I mean, 837 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 2: I also think it is the panic a part of it. 838 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 2: Do you think that there's still this idea that if 839 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: you tell people like there are beings from another planet 840 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: that are visiting ours like that we don't understand and 841 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: can't control, right, do a lot of people fly into it. 842 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 3: People in the government probably are concerned about that obviously 843 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: because there's so much religion in our country. Yeah, but 844 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 3: I think that that is waning a little bit as well. 845 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 3: I think that the younger generation doesn't give a shit. 846 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, we already thought they were real anyways. Yes, 847 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 3: but you know it's it's old pop pop who is like, 848 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 3: doesn't want to rethink his belief SYSM at ninety years old, 849 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 3: right right right, He's trying to get to heaven. 850 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be like there's a fucking spacecraft 851 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 2: waiting up there, but like or. 852 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: It's or goes deeper though, And I think that's what 853 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: it might be too. I think it's it's. 854 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 3: Not as cut and dry as that. I don't think 855 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 3: it's just like, oh yeah, there's entities out there and 856 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 3: you know sometimes they're here. It might be more intimate 857 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 3: than that, and it might be more alarming in that way. 858 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: Huh to me, Like the idea is so fun. I 859 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: want to believe now, I like, I kind of don't 860 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 2: know how I feel. Like I think in my like 861 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 2: you said, people kind of accept it now. I think 862 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, not even in the 863 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,720 Speaker 2: back of my mind. If you ask me point blank, 864 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: like do you think there are aliens. I'd be like 865 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: one hundred percent. There's definitely alien life out there. There's 866 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 2: there are intelligent beings that are as intelligent as us, 867 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 2: if not more, and probably lots of them in the 868 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 2: universe because we don't we just can't understand the vastness 869 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 2: of it the place, you know, where if we kind 870 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 2: of started on this is like whether they're here or 871 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 2: have been here, or are looking. 872 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: Or maybe that's the biggest that's the unknown. 873 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 3: I mean, like it's both unknown, but that is the 874 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: bigger mystery of right now. 875 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 2: Well, one it's easier to guess on is that like, yeah, 876 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 2: in the infinite universe, are there more planets like Earth? 877 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: Like that? 878 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 2: I feel like there has to be. But then the 879 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 2: are they coming here? As anybody is anything coming here? 880 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 2: Like I think we want it to be true. I 881 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 2: think we want to understand something bigger than than humanity. 882 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 2: Like I think we want something And I don't mean 883 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 2: just just I mean I think that religion sometimes that's 884 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: what that's what religion is. It's a higher purpose, right, 885 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 2: It's like a thing that you can't touch and understand. 886 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 2: Do you have to just kind of blindly, you know, 887 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 2: lead with and it's but I think that, But I 888 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 2: think we also want to like understand the universe better. 889 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: Like I think that humans generally speaking, are you know, 890 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 2: there's a huge amount of our time that's been spent 891 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: on this planet trying to figure out the planet, you know, 892 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 2: trying to figure out like what the fuck. 893 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: We are, where are we going? How does it all work? 894 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: You know? 895 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 2: Like, and I think that we have an innate curiosity, 896 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: And I feel like the alien thing is in some way, 897 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 2: even with two people who do not consider themselves to 898 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 2: have like a exploratory or scientific mind, I think it's 899 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 2: a little bit like what is it? Like, what does 900 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 2: it mean if that's the real thing? And I think, yeah, 901 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 2: High Straine definitely gets into that the human aspect of it, 902 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 2: where people are like on a personal level saying like 903 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 2: I want to understand this. So what happens now with 904 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 2: the show? Is there more like do you keep going 905 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 2: on this? Like is there more to do? Like how 906 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 2: does this for you personally? What happens next? If anything? 907 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the conversation, I think is is 908 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: never going away. Just how it might be unbelievable to 909 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 3: imagine that there's going to be some smoking gun that appears. 910 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: I think the same. 911 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 3: On the opposite end, there's nothing that's going to come 912 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 3: at this point and just say it's not possible, right right. 913 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 3: I think we're far away from that too, So the 914 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 3: conversation is not going away, and I think we'll learn 915 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: more every single day with technology and you know, the 916 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 3: government taking different approaches and different people in power, and 917 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 3: hopefully learn and dispel some of the myths and rumors 918 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 3: and conspiracies over time. So for me, this was kind 919 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,280 Speaker 3: of just a one of one installment, but I really 920 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 3: do feel like we should make a second season that 921 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 3: actually explores the sightings that are outside of the US. 922 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, are you considering doing that? 923 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 2: Oh? 924 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean that would be also great because 925 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: you get to travel, right, Like that'd be fun. Yeah. 926 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mean, do do people see UFOs in London? 927 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 2: I know that there have been sightings in South America, 928 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's everywhere. 929 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 3: It's like every major country they have their own like 930 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 3: UFO files, are they? Uh, they're all kinds of things, 931 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 3: just like cars are common threads. 932 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 2: I think that's one that I get kind of like, 933 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 2: why aren't they all one thing? I think we want 934 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 2: some uniformity to this exactly. 935 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 3: It's like it's impossible to put it into a box, right, 936 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 3: It's like like like, you know, it's like the thing 937 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 3: with the cows. 938 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's like these cows that were like dissected 939 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: or exploded or whatever. And maybe that one has been debunked. 940 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, but maybe there's one alien that's like 941 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: interested in the cows and it's like exploding the cows. 942 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 2: And then there's a there's another alien, another thing that's 943 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 2: like wants to know how our planes work and that's 944 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 2: why they're up in the sky. And there's another one 945 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 2: that's like we got to probe these humans, so they're 946 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 2: abducting the guy in the the forest or whatever, and they're. 947 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,439 Speaker 1: Not all the same. 948 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 2: Like that to me is actually like it's not terrifying, 949 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 2: but it is a kind of fucking crazy idea, right 950 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: because we're all like, oh, they're the little green men 951 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 2: with the big eyes. 952 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: That's what I think it is. 953 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 3: I think that's the reality is it's so many things 954 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 3: and that, and it makes it more confusing and it 955 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 3: is more alarming that way. 956 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 2: It's way more I mean, I think, if like if 957 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 2: Biden came out, this is my scenarios. Biden comes out 958 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 2: because I just love the idea of him talking about 959 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 2: aliens just seems. 960 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: Like it'd be fine. 961 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 2: But he comes out, he's like, we got aliens or whatever, right, 962 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 2: and then he's like, here they are. But but if 963 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 2: he's like, we got aliens, but there's a whole bunch 964 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,439 Speaker 2: of different ones, and they got different they do different. Yeah, 965 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 2: there's like some with like tentacles. There's one that like 966 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 2: we don't see but it like gets into your brain 967 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 2: or whatever. I'd be like, Okay, this is like fucked 968 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,240 Speaker 2: up like this, and now I'm concerned. Yeah, this is crazy. 969 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 2: But we'll never know because Biden doesn't fucking know. Like 970 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 2: you said, he's not he's not being told the truth. 971 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 2: And I mean, no, I don't know how we solve this. 972 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we never solved it. This could be I think. 973 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 2: I think a lot of time that has to go by. 974 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: It's inevitable if the science itself keeps prevailing and we 975 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 3: don't like stunt that, then we're going to find something 976 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 3: as a species. 977 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, like, if there's a good chance that 978 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 2: once we get our technology advanced enough, we'll go out 979 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 2: and find it basically, right, Yeah, then we'll be the 980 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 2: aliens exactly, like what the fuck is this weird tic 981 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 2: tac object invading our space? 982 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: And then it's like it's like why do they come here? 983 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 3: And the next thing I know, we're doing like little 984 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,240 Speaker 3: vacation tours of other planets where they don't they don't. 985 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: Know who we are. We got to be real quick 986 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: to get out of that. 987 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 2: They're like probing the beings on that planet to find 988 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 2: out what's up with them. 989 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's all just a cycle. 990 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,720 Speaker 3: This guy has probed like one hundred different aliens somewhere 991 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 3: and it's not for. 992 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 2: Science or somebody doesn't citizens arrest on him, you know, 993 00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 2: we can bring. 994 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 995 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so wait, so, so what's next for you? If 996 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 2: you're not doing a high strange season two? You got 997 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 2: anything else cooking? So I am doing season two? 998 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,959 Speaker 1: You are? Okay? Yeah? 999 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 2: First things first, I'm working on my next season of 1000 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 2: Up and Vanished right now. Okay, Actually going to Alaska 1001 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 2: tomorrow for one of the cases. Wow, So back and 1002 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 2: forth all summer, but that'll come out later this year. 1003 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 2: Oh awesome. Okay, cool, Well maybe you will come back. 1004 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 2: We can chat about that like some more real world 1005 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 2: yeah or maybe I get abducted out there and I 1006 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 2: have a different stories, and that feels like the kind 1007 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 2: of place where that happens, right, It feels like the 1008 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 2: fucking Northern lights. 1009 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: And I actually don't know what's up in Alaska. I've 1010 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: never been so weird. Shit, Yeah, a lot of space. 1011 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,719 Speaker 2: Well, painting this was super fun and fascinating, and I 1012 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,720 Speaker 2: just want to say, like I have enjoyed, like digging 1013 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 2: into the stuff that you do. All Right, next time 1014 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 2: you investigate a murder or an alien, you could come 1015 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 2: back here and talk about it. An alien, Oh yeah, 1016 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 2: that's what you definitely have to come back and talk about, doll, 1017 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. 1018 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: But thank you so much for doing this. Man, I 1019 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: really really enjoyed it. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Well, 1020 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: I think I've I think I'm convinced. 1021 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 2: I think I'm convinced that aliens are real and they're 1022 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 2: they're here, and it's a bunch of them, like a 1023 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 2: bunch of different aliens, and they're just all vaguely visible, 1024 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 2: slightly visible. 1025 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a tricky one. 1026 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm I'm compelled to believe that there are beings out 1027 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 2: there that want to get in touch with us. 1028 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: I want to probe us. 1029 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 2: I want to check us out, want to check out 1030 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 2: our planes, our trains and planes. But on the other hand, 1031 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I don't know, man, that seems 1032 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,439 Speaker 2: like bullshit, you know, not not not what pain is doing. 1033 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 2: Like I think that's he's like trying to dig into it. 1034 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 2: But then I'm like, you know, the guy got abducted. 1035 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 2: Did he you know, did he really get abducted? I 1036 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like I'm grappling with wanting to believe, 1037 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, like like Fox Molder on The X Files, 1038 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 2: you know, played by the Great David Duchovny, one of 1039 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 2: America's national treasures. 1040 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: You know, dude wanted to believe. He seemed to believe. 1041 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 2: Actually a lot of episodes he believed pretty strongly about 1042 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. I mean, were wolves, vampires, space vampires, 1043 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 2: space were wolves. I mean it's about all kinds of 1044 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 2: stuff on that show. Godzillas, dragons, weird fish that could talk, 1045 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,879 Speaker 2: guy could melt if he wanted to. A monkey with 1046 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 2: the two heads. I don't know that didn't happen on 1047 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 2: The X Files. But at any rate, I want to believe, 1048 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 2: and I'm going to try to believe, and that's where 1049 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 2: I'm at with this whole thing. 1050 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: Well, that is our show for this week. 1051 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with more what future, and 1052 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 2: as always, I wish you and your family the very best, 1053 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 2: though unfortunately I'm concerned that your family will be or 1054 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 2: has already been, abducted by aliens