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Speaker 1: What us up.

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Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to a much more coherent episode

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Speaker 2: of the Mets Stuff podcast.

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Speaker 1: We had some fun last night. We had to get

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 2: It was like it was very cathartic to just be

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Speaker 2: able to let some demons out scream and yell.

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Speaker 1: We got Wan. Wan Sota is a New York met

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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So today we're going to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 2: about the Wansoa situation, again coherently. David Stearns is at

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Speaker 2: the Winter meetings. He spoke with the media today, gave

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Speaker 2: us a lot of good tidbits, and then we got

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Speaker 2: some rumors going around. Garrett Crochet trade rumors optimism with

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Speaker 2: Sean Manaiah. There's a lot of things to talk about

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Speaker 2: in the Mets world, not just Jan Soda, but of

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Speaker 2: course James, we have to start with Wan Soto and

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours later, how are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: Still feel great again? Thank you guys for putting up

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Speaker 3: with our nonsense. Yesterday did get some pretty good responses

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Speaker 3: on that video was one of our most listened to

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Speaker 3: episodes ever, which is also really fun to see. But

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Speaker 3: it was just fun, Like we freaked out. We made

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Speaker 3: this pack to each other. We were like, this happens,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna will and get drunk. My roommate was bartending

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Speaker 3: a few blocks away from me. I was like, let's

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Speaker 3: go have a good time. As also the call back

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Speaker 3: to shares are back in the day, bigger reason this

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Speaker 3: podcast ever got off the ground. But it's just every

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Speaker 3: single it's like today is one of those beautiful days

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Speaker 3: to be on Twitter. It's magical, Like you scroll through,

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Speaker 3: you read every single news story, you watch every single

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Speaker 3: television show about the Mets, you tune into as many podcasts,

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Speaker 3: you can, YouTube videos everything. It was so much fun today,

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Speaker 3: like waking up like it, started to do some stuff

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Speaker 3: in bed and going through every single one of our

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Speaker 3: YouTube comments from last night, just like like like thank you, yes,

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Speaker 3: like like like it's just it's one of the beautiful

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Speaker 3: days to be a sports fan that es specially you

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Speaker 3: don't really get these days a lot. We were talking

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Speaker 3: about where it ranked in our all time days as

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Speaker 3: literally for me, it would then this is sad because

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Speaker 3: how many losing teams I like, but it's probably the

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Speaker 3: number three for anything I've ever felt a sports fan

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Speaker 3: number one being when Ohio State won the championship twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I was on number two being the Lindor home runn

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Speaker 3: agast the Phillies this year in the NLDS three the

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Speaker 3: mess sounding one. So though one four I think would

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Speaker 3: be probably like I don't know when when Mark Stanchres

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Speaker 3: beat Tom Brady in that in that divisional round game

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Speaker 3: from twelve years fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: Now I think mine, in no specific order, is gonna

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Speaker 2: be like the World Series win twenty fifteen, David Right

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Speaker 2: South Carolina making the Final four again, I literally have

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Speaker 2: never had a champion in anything that I've ever watched

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Speaker 2: of any team, So this is like not this isn't

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Speaker 2: even more sad list than the New Year's At least you

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Speaker 2: a Cinderella run to the Final four that was so sick,

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Speaker 2: Like what a game we beat Clemson in the regular season. Well,

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Speaker 2: yesterday was definitely one of the greatest sports moments in

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Speaker 2: my life. And take that for what it is, take

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Speaker 2: but unbelievable stuff. I mean, it's still like you said,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy be on Twitter and just kind of nobody

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Speaker 2: that great little tidbit from John Hayman today about why

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Speaker 2: Soto another reason why he preferred the Mets over the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: We know that Alex Cohen played a big role in this,

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Speaker 2: the treatment of Sodo's family and crew played a big

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Speaker 2: part in this. Didn't love how the Yankees handled things.

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Speaker 2: And then we found out today that Wan Soda was

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you want a sweet? Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you seven hundred and sixty million dollars. What

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Speaker 2: else do you want? How do I get you?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: Where the Yankees told Soda Jeter doesn't get Jeter didn't

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Speaker 1: Aaron Judges doesn't get a sweet. He has to pay

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Speaker 2: We could give it to you at a discount, which

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Speaker 2: that's insane. You're trying to court one of the greatest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also just the fact that the Yankees still again.

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Speaker 3: We said last night there's gonna be end of talking

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Speaker 3: them cause just they got a report today. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was us versus them in this thing. It's just

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Speaker 3: they continued obsession with the past. For the Yankees, rather

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Speaker 3: do you guys not lift weights because Babe Ruth didn't

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Speaker 3: Mantle played his career with the torn acl Like why

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Speaker 3: why do we why are we so obsessed with the Waite?

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Speaker 3: Things weren't thirty years ago that you're gonna let it

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Speaker 3: this is again the master class bat Scot Boris continues

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Speaker 3: the fact that he got all of these four teams

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Speaker 2: Was I think the Blue Jays might have gotten close

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Speaker 1: This is what want soda is.

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Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of conversation about overpay and

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Speaker 1: Can't worry about that right now. Not our money.

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Speaker 2: Don't care Talk to me when Wansda is forty and

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Speaker 2: now today, present day.

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Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner from The Ringer in the Tipping Pitches podcast

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Speaker 3: had a great tweet about this where I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: that we also offered over seven hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: dollars too. I'm sure that will work out. That's exactly

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Speaker 3: how it feels. Then, you know, Sarah's to like a

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Speaker 3: so the less money per win than the Giant Screen

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's a value contract the end of the day, like

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Speaker 1: It's just so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool that he did this, and what it

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Speaker 2: seems like now steps moving forward here because Soto is

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Speaker 2: not the final piece, He's just the start here. We

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Speaker 2: know that this Mets team has a lot of holes

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Speaker 1: This guy is such a fucking dog.

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Speaker 3: I love him every single time David starts opened his

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Speaker 3: Like everything I've ever wanted from my like my head

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Speaker 1: I wasn't as excited as you. I like the move.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, great, David Surs is awesome.

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Speaker 2: You were like running around the office like screw like giddy,

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Speaker 3: I think it was probably like it was like, let's

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Speaker 3: such a killer, and he drops in all these little nuggets,

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Speaker 3: really interesting and meaningful things that he'll put into his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he talked about how there's still lots

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Speaker 2: they've officially signed Soto. Yeah, that was questions and he

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Speaker 1: Can't do that yet. No pen to paper.

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Speaker 2: Did you see though, that Soto already has Tops cards

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Speaker 2: signed as a met that they're said that you can

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and no, I don't know if the Dodgers have

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Speaker 3: Little too openly, yeah, a little too openly.

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Speaker 2: We know that, but this is a different kind of

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Speaker 2: moves have to be made, so you kind of can't

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Speaker 3: You can't, But I do think there are probably levels

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Speaker 1: A Rosie view or something almost almost like that never

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then he brought it back to Tyler McGill

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Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four to twenty five, whatever it is.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take that like I'm good. I'm good to

438
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Speaker 1: stay here.

439
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Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting scenario what the Mets have to do,

440
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Speaker 2: and I think truthfully, they're going to be very aggressive

441
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Speaker 2: on the trade market.

442
00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,880
Speaker 1: We've heard the Crochet rumors.

443
00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800
Speaker 2: Kenrosevelt put out the article basically saying Mets, Yankees, Phillies

444
00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,360
Speaker 2: right now are kind of leading the way in terms

445
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Speaker 2: of pursuing Garrett Crochet.

446
00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,280
Speaker 1: The White Sox want young young players.

447
00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,800
Speaker 2: They want hitters specifically, but they said if it's the

448
00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,720
Speaker 2: right pitchers, if the right pitchers come along, they will

449
00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,240
Speaker 2: also be down to build around those guys. Andrew Painter,

450
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Speaker 2: Andrew Painter, Yeah, I think that was basically the Andrew

451
00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,240
Speaker 2: Painters think he's the best pitching prospect of either of

452
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Speaker 2: those three organizations. But for the Met we got Drew Gilbert,

453
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,160
Speaker 2: we got Jet Williams, We've got some guys, and maybe

454
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Speaker 2: Ryan Clifford could be a guy as well, which, funny enough,

455
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Speaker 2: I think all three of those guys were playing Fortnite

456
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,439
Speaker 2: on Twitch tonight, and I think Mets fans gotten their

457
00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,399
Speaker 2: Twitch chat and rasking the like, are you guys nervous

458
00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,960
Speaker 2: to get traded? Which is so fucked up to ask

459
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Speaker 2: these kids, But at the end of the day, they

460
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,199
Speaker 2: will get creative. David Searns I think has proven too

461
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Speaker 2: Mets fans already in the one year year and a

462
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Speaker 2: half that he's been here, that he's capable of finding

463
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Speaker 2: finding the best value possible and making sure stuff happens.

464
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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I know Steve Collen gets credit for

465
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Speaker 2: Juan Soto and all the money the certains part of

466
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Speaker 2: it too. I don't know, like this could be very

467
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Speaker 2: different if David Searns is there Jan Soto. He convinced

468
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Speaker 2: Wan Soto that we have a brighter future than the

469
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Speaker 2: New York Yankees, and that's pretty sick.

470
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Speaker 1: In of itself.

471
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Speaker 3: Something and how he roast has been saying a lot,

472
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Speaker 3: And I listened to him on with our favorite radio

473
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Speaker 3: host Keith McPherson on Tuesday night where he said that

474
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Speaker 3: in being how he said, he was like, I remember

475
00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 3: the first game the Mets ever played. I've been working

476
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Speaker 3: for the team in some capacity since the nineties, and

477
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 3: he said, since Gil Hodge has died in nineteen seventy two,

478
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Speaker 3: this is literally what he said. He said, this is

479
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,360
Speaker 3: the first time he felt this level of synergy among

480
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Speaker 3: the Mets staff, the organization between owner, manager, front office,

481
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Speaker 3: he said. He said, from the ownership to the front

482
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Speaker 3: office to the dog out. He said, this is the

483
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Speaker 3: first time they've ever been this and sick and David

484
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Speaker 3: Surs of course, is a huge part of that. So

485
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Speaker 3: it is Carlson Doz and I think that that's really

486
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Speaker 3: relevant here.

487
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Speaker 2: But you're telling me that Buck show Walter and Billy

488
00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,800
Speaker 2: Epper didn't have the same synergy that Caralsman Doz and

489
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Speaker 2: David Stearns haves.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Weirdly, the two guys that hate each other's guts

491
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,520
Speaker 3: don't have good synergy. And also we're both bad at

492
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Speaker 3: their job independently. Yeah, sorry, crazy how that happened. But

493
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Speaker 3: I think that's key here. I think that's part of it.

494
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Speaker 3: But I also think that means that there's probably going

495
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Speaker 3: to be some some trade guys that were not exactly

496
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Speaker 3: thinking about for sure. I like the Rays are always

497
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Speaker 3: trying to get rid of the money. The Twins right

498
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,960
Speaker 3: now are desperately trying to shed money. We've heard the

499
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 3: Jerry Depolo always always say the Mariners are open for business.

500
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Speaker 3: We know Luis Castillo someone that's available, and I think

501
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,159
Speaker 3: he'd be a fantastic fit on this team. Culture wise,

502
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 3: talent wise, everything, he'd be perfect. So I do think

503
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Speaker 3: that there's good I just I don't really see the

504
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Speaker 3: Mets having the dogs to get crochet compared to other teams, because.

505
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,920
Speaker 2: The other teams will have better like even the Phillies,

506
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 2: which is like such a nightmare to think about. But

507
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 2: like Justin Crawford, Aiden Miller, like those guys are all

508
00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 2: probably higher painting prospects than the Mets have.

509
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 3: Yes, like the Mets, you you have to start with

510
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 3: Jet Williams is our number two prospects, probably consensus top

511
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 3: fifty prospect in the league. I think some people are

512
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 3: torn about when the Celie could be, but I think

513
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 3: a lot of people still really like Jet. I think

514
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 3: the White Sox would love his versatility up the middle.

515
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,359
Speaker 3: But then past him, like Drew Gibbers, lost a lot

516
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,360
Speaker 3: of shine. Now his defense is taking a hit. Hays

517
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Speaker 3: Who's buy is our big riser? I was I was

518
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 3: first to had if you guys were here at April.

519
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: You guys remember that, and then you probably have a

520
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 3: clueon new Clifford, Nolan McLean, possibly Carson Bene. The Mets

521
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 3: did make a habit a long time ago, always trading

522
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Speaker 3: their first round pick the second they got in the organization.

523
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Speaker 3: And benj is a guy right now that a lot

524
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Speaker 3: of people in the industry level a lot for play, discipline,

525
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 3: for potential power. You probably just have to give up

526
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Speaker 3: most of your top prospects. And then it becomes the

527
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Speaker 3: situation of you're giving up most of your top prospects.

528
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Speaker 3: You have to redevelop these guys. You have a very

529
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Speaker 3: expensive core. When are you going to get the cheap

530
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Speaker 3: guys to fill in and replace these guys as they

531
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Speaker 3: get old, just to get some meth lesism on the

532
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Speaker 3: major league roster, because that's going to be a big

533
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Speaker 3: part of this conversation too.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people are bringing up,

535
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: like Brett Baty, we could trade Baty to the White Sux.

536
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,199
Speaker 2: It's not gonna get Garrick Crochet guys like That's That's

537
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 2: not how it is. Brett Baty, even as a prospect,

538
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 2: wasn't Miguel Vargas and Miguel Vargas got Michael Kopeck, so

539
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: like this is very different.

540
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Speaker 3: Baby could though become part a centerpiece of a deal

541
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Speaker 3: for Castillo. I think it's more likely, yes, because the

542
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Speaker 3: Castillo deal will be mostly a salary dump, and then

543
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Speaker 3: you can give them salary dump plus take one last

544
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Speaker 3: shot on Brett Baiy got four years control on this guy.

545
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Speaker 3: See what you can do, and then you add something

546
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Speaker 3: else on top of that, Like you sprinkle nice little

547
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Speaker 3: pitching prospect or, like a nineteen year old on top

548
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,719
Speaker 3: of Brett Baby. That's something I think could be realistic.

549
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 3: It probably seemed like a real bullshit trade. But if

550
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Speaker 3: we're taking twenty five million dollars a year off the

551
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Speaker 3: Marines payroll and giving them potentially a free hitter that

552
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: they still think could be abovelye average player all around,

553
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 3: like that probably does get worth at the end. Is

554
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Speaker 3: why I do want to I hope that that's go

555
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Speaker 3: down that path. But these trade, these rooms are gonna

556
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Speaker 3: keep coming out. We're gona keep any gays episodes of that.

557
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 3: It's a lot, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting

558
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Speaker 3: to see how they go about this stuff.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some other interesting things that Certains mentioned. Ronnie Marisio

560
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Speaker 2: started baseball activities. I think he said this was the

561
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Speaker 2: most productive we that Ronnie Mauricio has had since the injury.

562
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Speaker 2: That he did a lot this week and a lot

563
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Speaker 2: of things moving forward, which is great news.

564
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Speaker 3: And we're about the exactly a year from the injury

565
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: right now, yes, which is last year. Yeah, towards ACL

566
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Speaker 3: it's it's a year injury. Yeah, we all play fassy football.

567
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Speaker 2: You mentioned all the starting stuff with Budo and McGill

568
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Speaker 2: and Paul Blackburn.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff is interesting.

570
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Speaker 2: And just the fact that they are going to add

571
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Speaker 2: to the bullpen as well over the season like they

572
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Speaker 2: did the last year, like they're going to do forever

573
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Speaker 2: with David Stearns.

574
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Speaker 3: And I think the bullpen again is not going to

575
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Speaker 3: be like the sexy Tanner Scott like it's going course,

576
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 3: we're going to sign a reliever in seven weeks. It's

577
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Speaker 3: gonna be worth one million dollars and may you're going

578
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Speaker 3: to be like he's tracking out twenty seve percent of

579
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Speaker 3: batter as well.

580
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Speaker 2: And you know it's great too, And I think Mets

581
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: fans you can look back on this too, like, yeah,

582
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Speaker 2: we had Deekman, We had all these guys.

583
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Speaker 1: They stunk.

584
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Speaker 2: You can just get rid of them when they stink,

585
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Speaker 2: because you're not paying these major contracts. When you pay

586
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Speaker 2: a Tanner Scott, when you pay whoever, the relievers are

587
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 2: going to be on the top of the line. It's

588
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: a lot harder to cut a guy who's getting paid

589
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 2: nine to ten million dollars a year as a reliever

590
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Speaker 2: than someone who's getting paid one to two million, who

591
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: may not have the track record. But truthfully, at the

592
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: end of the day, over fifty sixty innings, there's a

593
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Speaker 2: world where they can all end up being very similar.

594
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I think that David Turns knows that. And

595
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 3: we keep going back to the thing he said last year

596
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 3: his first Wunster meetings. Your bullpen in Aaples not the

597
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: same as your bullpening June and bullpen juniors the same

598
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: as your bullpent Oggus, you bullpen August might be the

599
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: same ones you're bullpen in October. Like that's just it.

600
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Speaker 3: That's how he's good to go. One more thing that

601
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Speaker 3: Stern said I thought was very interesting. When he was

602
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Speaker 3: talking about the pee a Lowanza stuff. He said, we

603
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Speaker 3: think we have a long way to go in the

604
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Speaker 3: first base market.

605
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Speaker 2: Well, the the report, I don't know who put it out,

606
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: was talking about how the Mets are remaining patient on Pete.

607
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: They're not going to be super aggressive right now because

608
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Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo's market is just simply not what he thought

609
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Speaker 2: it was gonna be. And this is something that we

610
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Speaker 2: talked about a lot on the podcast. Off the podcast,

611
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: when Pete was I don't want to say getting greedy

612
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Speaker 2: because that makes it seem like he's a bad guy,

613
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Speaker 2: But when Pete was really looking to get some crazy money,

614
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Speaker 2: We're like, dude, there's not many teams that really even

615
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Speaker 2: can pay you like the money that you're wanting. There's

616
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Speaker 2: not a lot of teams that will and for a

617
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Speaker 2: first baseman, the fits a little bit weird, like there's

618
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Speaker 2: only like four teams that can realistically pay Pete.

619
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Speaker 3: That makes sense, Yeah, And one of those teams is

620
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Speaker 3: the Astros, who are trying to shed money. One of

621
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: those teams dying Backs, were going to lose Chris Walker,

622
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: Mike Keys and said openly in the first day of

623
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Speaker 3: the winter meetings, We're expecting to lose a lot of

624
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Speaker 3: home runs from our starting lineup. So it doesn't seem

625
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Speaker 3: like they're going to pay a peg on the other side,

626
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Speaker 3: and then the other one's the Yankees were just doesn't

627
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 3: seem like they're gonna be the team that goes after

628
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Speaker 3: So though, like I think that Pete, well they lost,

629
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Speaker 3: so though, that's what I'm saying. I saw the one

630
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: like I saw the on the brain.

631
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Speaker 2: That'd be so crazy if we took Sodo and they

632
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Speaker 2: took Pete and that's like there, that would be like,

633
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: that's such an old Mets move, like, oh, you signed

634
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Speaker 2: our best player, we signed someone that was on your team.

635
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Speaker 3: Yeah, something something. My dad Sai, I couldn't believe he

636
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 3: was the term. If I was talking on the phone

637
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Speaker 3: about it, he said, that would just be ick like

638
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: that would that would be that would be like an ick.

639
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Speaker 1: Yeah if the Yankees.

640
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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think he was talking about sister

641
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: too much. But I think that, like I, he just doesn't.

642
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, like this, this is kind of stupid,

643
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: but I just can't see him even doing that, Like

644
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: they got they would hate to Goroofy to be a Yankee.

645
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 3: He's too much of a duke.

646
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Speaker 2: Like what would Peter if he got booed? What would

647
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: he ever do, I'd feel so bad for him. He

648
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: doesn't deserve to be booed.

649
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 3: No, he's a perfect Met, He's he's ours. I want

650
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Speaker 3: him back, I really do want him back, and I am.

651
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Speaker 3: I have some growing confidence. And it's also just the

652
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: way the market is like. It just seems like it's

653
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 3: the most it's the most likely outcome, it's the best fit.

654
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: But then we do with that, we do need to

655
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Speaker 3: make sure that we build up ath Lestais and elsewhere

656
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: in this team, which is why I would try anything

657
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: for Crochet, of course, but the Mets do have to

658
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: be mindful of how many slow, slow, slow guys they

659
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: have in this roster, how many clunky, slow dudes they have.

660
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Speaker 1: That is fair, it's not the most athletic rosters.

661
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: Guy as young and awesome as Soto is athletic, it

662
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: was also not maybe his strong suit by any means.

663
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. And then I think that's basically it.

664
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Speaker 3: And otherwise, again, if we had the Indian Mortunia report,

665
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: there's optimism with Sean Maya. There was something that trickled

666
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 3: out the last few days that before the A's went

667
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: for sever Reino, they offered Manaia basically the same deal

668
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: that they offered Severino. It's a little more juice on it,

669
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: but it wasn't a fourth year, and he's looking for

670
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: a fourth year. So we've been we've been kind of

671
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: steadfast the last few months, and we thought Manaia was

672
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: like a four or one hundred guys. Seemed like whereas

673
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 3: market was going to wind up. I still think that's

674
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: exactly what's going to wind up. I'll say, like, I

675
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: don't know. If I'm obsessed with bringing them back for

676
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 3: that money, I think you might be able to get

677
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: Nathan Valdi definitely for less years, maybe even for less money.

678
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: I think he's probably still better than Sean and I

679
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: are right now past that, I do not know. I

680
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: actually do not know, because I think i'd rather than

681
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: I am the bueller. I think people are also be

682
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: significantly cheaper. I'm I'm a little aware of Seumana is

683
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: gonna be thirty three on an opening day? It was

684
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: he just had a greate three months, Like, I don't

685
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: know what. I love everything he did for this clubhouse,

686
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: love everything he did for this locker room. I think

687
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: he was a fantastic met I would be happy if

688
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: he's back but for fort is one hundred million dollar

689
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: picture is a four year pitcher.

690
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Speaker 1: I don't know he wants going to be one hundred million.

691
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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be like nine or for eighty eight,

692
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: eighty eight, ninety two, Like, I think that's kind of

693
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: what it's gonna be. It's gonna be the year though, Yeah,

694
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: why that's I think that's a complete It's also a

695
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: lefty Lefti's pitch until they're a hundred thirty year old

696
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: lefty doesn't mean anything. Thirty three year old righty power pitcher.

697
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: Different thirty three year old lefty who did just figure

698
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: something out. Yeah, Like at the end of the day, truthfully,

699
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: at that at that price point we just saw you

700
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: used to Kokuchie sign a three year deal at that

701
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: similar ish price point. I mean, I was probably gonna

702
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: get a little bit more. Kakuchi's like a guy who

703
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: really took a jump this year because his fastball started

704
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: to have some real life. Like, I don't know if

705
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: that's a sustainable And I think for Manaya, who's not

706
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: gonna be signed to be the ace by any means,

707
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be the middle of the rotation guy as

708
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: he gets older and older, he just becomes the back

709
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: end guy. And I think you're completely fine with it

710
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: because at the end the day, if he's healthy, he's

711
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: seemingly gonna be a very capable pitcher.

712
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. That's why I still keep coming back to

713
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Speaker 3: this at the end of the day, where I'm like,

714
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Speaker 3: why not just throw the money at Corban Burns, right, Like,

715
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Speaker 3: I know they're not going to and I know maybe

716
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, but if you tell me, like

717
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: we're going to give Shalman and I four years anyway,

718
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: why not just give Corbyn Burns seven. Those contracts will

719
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: end at the same time, like if he corn Burger

720
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: is thirty and Shamania is thirty three like that, And

721
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: you know, for Corbyn Burns, like, I don't know what's

722
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: gonna happen the end of the day. And I know

723
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: I've said a lot of time his pockets like he's

724
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: never I don't think's gonna be the best pitcher in

725
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: baseball ever again. But for the next three years, you're

726
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Speaker 3: getting someone who's an unquestioned one, someone you can trust

727
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: in that role, someone who's a bulldogx like someone who

728
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: has that someone's got that shit to him, that I

729
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: think is something this team has now. I would like

730
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Speaker 3: more of it.

731
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately we got into bidding war over Wan Soto. Unfortunately, Yeah,

733
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: unfortunately we got a bidding war over him. I don't

734
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: know if the Mets are gonna be interested in bidding

735
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: wars for players, and Gordon Burns is going to be

736
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: he's They're gonna get into a bidding war with him

737
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: for sure, because a lot of teams want him totally.

738
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Speaker 3: But again, like we kind of set the top of

739
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 3: this show, the Mets are still one hundred million dollars

740
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: clear where the totally was last year.

741
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: I understand.

742
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: I just I think when you have a fifteen year

743
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: contract and you have Lindor who's here for a while,

744
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: and Randimo's here for a while, and even your relievers

745
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: here for a few more years, and you might be

746
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: handing out a long term contract to Pete Alnso I

747
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: think at some point you're like, we might just have

748
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: to work a little more on the margins on the

749
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: pitching side and just give out little pieces here, and

750
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: the guys who stay here longer are what we develop.

751
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah that's that's true too, But I think that but

752
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: this is why I keep coming back to Burns because

753
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: we need to break I think.

754
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: He's just you think he's just like steady. We can

755
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: rely on him for like you said, five years of

756
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: those eight he's going to be one of the ten

757
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: best pitchers in baseball fifteen. Yeah, but it's more so

758
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: the fact that he's available right now. We need we

759
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: need the top of the line pitcher right now, and

760
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: we have a few more years until we really think

761
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: we're going to be a will turn this pitchers development

762
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: into a real machine.

763
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

764
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: I mean I'd rather have him than Max Freed, Like

765
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: if it gets totally I don't evenink yet.

766
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: I don't think Freed's really connected to the Mets, to

767
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: be fair, No.

768
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't even think Max Rereed's a consideration. I just

769
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: I was I was talking my dad today about like

770
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: those Cubs teams, like when they when they like push

771
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: their chips in. They got that World Series, and I

772
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 3: remember Lester being the move. And when Lester signed that deal,

773
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: people already thought he was like halfway over the hill.

774
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: People knew he was never gonna be the best pitcher

775
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: of baseball again, not going to be an All Star anymore,

776
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: not going to win a cy Young but but besides,

777
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: when he played the Mets, John Lester went to those

778
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 3: playoff series and was so fucking ready to rip, And like,

779
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: I know, Corven Burns is that kind of guy, Like

780
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: I just want this Mets rotation needs a pitcher, which

781
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: some shit to them. They do like this, and I

782
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: don't know who you get besides Burns in the next

783
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: two years that where that can happen. Castillo could be

784
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: that guy. Castillo could be that guy Crochet.

785
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crochet, I think those are the two names.

786
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: And I think that's just Also the Mets thing is,

787
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: like right now there is pitching available on the trade market.

788
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Let's explore those more so than trying to hand out

789
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: because corn Burn's probably can get well, like some Blake

790
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Snell get thirty six million, so Corden Burns is probably

791
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: gonna get thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight million dollars

792
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: a year.

793
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say eight, like eight for thirty five par.

794
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: Which that comes out to how much money. I know,

795
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: we don't care about money. We're not poor over here,

796
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: but like, just just for the conversation purpose of what

797
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: this could be, dude, why did they change the calculator app?

798
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: What is this what is going on.

799
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: I believe that's too eighty eight for.

800
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Speaker 1: Thirty five times eight is to eighty.

801
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think he's gonna get three hundred though personally, yeah,

802
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: just just to break the three hundred three hundred divided

803
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: by eight, that's thirty seven and a half million. Again, well,

804
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: no it's not our money. No, No, I'd love them, but

805
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm just.

806
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't I don't think it's stupid either.

807
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: I think that, like, if you want to give yourself

808
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: the best chance to win one the next three World Series,

809
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: which is how we should be thinking right now. Sure

810
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: that of all the moves that's available, that are available

811
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: to think that's the best you could do, oh without

812
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: a doubt.

813
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: But I think that's not really that.

814
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: That's blatantly obvious, dude, you know, would be the best

815
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: move for the Mets get the best picture available on

816
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: the market.

817
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, one hundred percent. But I'm saying,

818
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: even relative to possibly a Crochet trade, I think that

819
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: kran Burns gets you closer to the next championship. Gary

820
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Crochet does, I think that's fair.

821
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: I think that's all He's also thirty eight million dollars probably,

822
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: So that's why.

823
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. Yeah, with the acquisition, Yeah, with the

824
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: acquisition costs, with losing prospects, Like I think, I don't know,

825
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: I just it to me, feels it feels more obvious

826
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: than it should. I don't think it's going to happen.

827
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't even know if I'm fully fountch

828
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: you for it, but just feels like the very logical

829
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: next step for how this team can be in a

830
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: World Series contender.

831
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: As quickly as possible. Yeah.

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00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yes, that that's very correct. We'll see

833
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: what David SERTs does. He's uh, never really been the

834
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: guy to give out those long term contracts like that,

835
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: especially on the pitching side.

836
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: We will wait and see. What was your tweet last

837
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Speaker 1: night that I told you.

838
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: I was like, David Curtains went from from signing Wade

839
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Miley and Brian Anderson to Juan Soto.

840
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have it around here. So some people, some

841
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: Bruise fans got my mentions, got mad about it, but

842
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm got about what it's the truth. He was like,

843
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: we signed Lorenzo Kaine, he gave Christian Yelich's extension. I

844
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: was like, all right, guys, you you're missing the point.

845
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: But I was like David Stearns used to sign Wayde

846
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: Miley and when Brian and after being non tended. Now

847
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: now he just gives how he gave want so the

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Speaker 3: largest contract in history professional sports.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty sick.

850
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Speaker 3: Its awesome. It's the time to be a lot. Yeah,

851
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: I said, well we got one, so I think this

852
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: was one thing yet one So now it's like, get

853
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: those teeth outs, start match starting on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a world he goes scorched stirts.

855
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Speaker 2: But we will talk about that more in the next

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Speaker 2: episode of the Best of the podcast. Guys, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening and watching. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Again,

858
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Speaker 2: we had our fun episode. Now we're back to being coherent.

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Speaker 2: We're back to giving you guys some good takes, not

860
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: just screaming at you and being belligerent like we were.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for hanging around. Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 1: You can follow James on.

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Speaker 3: Twitter at James Underscore Siano.

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Speaker 2: I'm Draftnick Mark with a C. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for watching. We will catch you on the

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Speaker 2: next episode.

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Speaker 3: Peace Out, peace out, and see guys next time. Let's

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