Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Keetty Armstrong and
Speaker 1: Jettatie and now he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 2: And then she has two major rallies and concerts tonight,
Speaker 2: one in Pittsburgh, the other in Philadelphia, all centered on
Speaker 2: getting out the vote. We're talking about Lady Gaga, Katie Perry,
Speaker 2: Ricky Martin, the star power being used to hopefully energize
Speaker 2: folks for her campaign.
Speaker 3: That's funny how different that plays for different people, because
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga, Ricky Martin and whoever else energizes some people
Speaker 3: for Harris and some people for Trump. I mean, it
Speaker 3: makes me less likely than I would vote for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: not more.
Speaker 4: What an odds is politics? Say a couple of stray
Speaker 4: thoughts that I want to get to a really great
Speaker 4: think piece, but we we'll squeeze in whatever we can.
Speaker 4: This segment pan at the Squirrel, not this segment, no time,
Speaker 4: this hour, I think so yes, yeah, And the significance
Speaker 4: of the murder of Pean out the squirrel.
Speaker 1: Barton Swain said this, why did.
Speaker 4: Democrats nominate an unaccomplished San Francisco progressive with few political skills,
Speaker 4: for the same reason they favored harsh lockdowns during the pandemic,
Speaker 4: the same reason they refused to use force against America's enemies,
Speaker 4: an insane fear of risk nominating a presidential candidate by
Speaker 4: an open primaries risky Democrats did the safe thing a
Speaker 4: reminder that sometimes the safe thing is the dumbest risk
Speaker 4: of all, an insane aversion to risk, which reminds me
Speaker 4: of safetyism of a yieldcaf children, not letting your kids
Speaker 4: play in event games and run around. It is progressive
Speaker 4: America that is insanely risk averse.
Speaker 1: Well, something that's about.
Speaker 3: If she wins, which she might, it's gonna turn out
Speaker 3: to be a good idea. If she loses, people will
Speaker 3: be complaining about this for decades.
Speaker 1: Probably so Kim Strassel.
Speaker 4: One of the gentler yet telling putdowns of this election
Speaker 4: came from Tim Walls, who pronounced, the Republicans are.
Speaker 1: Weird, hilarious.
Speaker 4: You want to know it's weird, taxpayers, you've funded sex
Speaker 4: change surgeries for felons, attempts to regulate cow flatulence, the
Speaker 4: expectation that fewer police will mean less crime. The sixteen
Speaker 4: to nineteen project decriminalizing border crossings, boys competing in girls' sports,
Speaker 4: the word latins sizable majorities of Americans think all of
Speaker 4: this is nut, yet they remain staples of Democratic policy
Speaker 4: and rhetoric.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 4: And finally, this highlighted this late in the show the
Speaker 4: other day. Wanted to get to it early. A California
Speaker 4: college with a big poster. Election anxiety is real. Votes
Speaker 4: are in and emotions are running high, grappling with disappoint
Speaker 4: but fear and confusion.
Speaker 1: We have twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 4: Brave spaces open, not safe spaces if you're so reduced
Speaker 4: to tears and trembling by an election, and we hold
Speaker 4: them every author here presidents every four years for the
Speaker 4: rest of your life. But if you're so devastated by
Speaker 4: it you need a brave space, you can go there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 3: Is the crowd that liked being scared of COVID because
Speaker 3: it gave you, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what, some feeling of community something, Yeah, likes being.
Speaker 3: Think honest, I was talking about to somebody about this
Speaker 3: last night. I really believe there's a big chunk of
Speaker 3: America that would crawl over broken Glass to vote for
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris. But there's a place in the back of
Speaker 3: their mind they might not even acknowledge themselves. They're kind
Speaker 3: of hoping Trump wins because it'd be so fun to
Speaker 3: be angry and scared for the next four years and
Speaker 3: bond together over that.
Speaker 4: I guarantee you well, right, especially, and I think that's
Speaker 4: a great point. I haven't heard anybody say that, but
Speaker 4: I think you're right, especially because then you get to
Speaker 4: cosplay I have a brave revolutionary even though there's zero
Speaker 4: risk of anything bad happening.
Speaker 3: You're gonna tell me that wasn't kind of fun for
Speaker 3: you being the resistance during four years of Trump and
Speaker 3: every day texting your friends about the awful thing Trump
Speaker 3: did and how rough it is to be in America
Speaker 3: right now you love worshiping Adam Schiff, Whereas if Kabla
Speaker 3: wins tomorrow, I'm gonna go huh.
Speaker 1: I thought Trump was gonna win, and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 4: I mean, emotionally, yeah, I just pray the Senate is,
Speaker 4: you know, a Republican anyway. More on that to come
Speaker 4: at some point, but I thought that was funny. Kim
Speaker 4: Cress is from Christopher to Moose. Who is who is
Speaker 4: de Mouse? I think he's a distinguished fellow at the
Speaker 4: Heritage Foundation. But his piece is entitled how Congress unleashed
Speaker 4: the presidency by expanding government power beyond what they could handle.
Speaker 4: The lawmakers set the stage for the unnerving polarization of
Speaker 4: the twenty four election. And he goes into it and
Speaker 4: it's quite entertaining, but a little long. But you know,
Speaker 4: this election is nuts but rhetorically unhinged. But so is
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundred contest between Jefferson and Adams, framed by war,
Speaker 4: political violence, and sudden withdrawal of the incumbent, just like
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty eight Trump a convention defying redneck who claimed
Speaker 4: the last election was stolen from him Andrew Jackson. In
Speaker 4: eighteen twenty eight, Kamala Harris was nominated by party insiders
Speaker 4: without consulting the voters, which was everybody before the mid
Speaker 4: twentieth century.
Speaker 1: So why so crazy now?
Speaker 4: And he says, the collapse of common culture, moral confusion
Speaker 4: and ignorance among supposedly educated people, pervasive corruption and dishonesty
Speaker 4: in public life, the infestation of the woke mind virus
Speaker 4: throughout the institutions of education, media, culture, and commerce.
Speaker 1: They all play a role.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to quote now I have a more
Speaker 4: specific explanation. Add to the mix, the presidency has become
Speaker 4: much more powerful and less benign than it was designed
Speaker 4: to be. We've talked about this jack through the years,
Speaker 4: but in recent years the president has become lawmaker in chief,
Speaker 4: eclips in Congress. In many areas of arenas of national life,
Speaker 4: he employs his new powers unabashedly for partisan purposes. His
Speaker 4: traditional irreplaceable function as a head of state and national
Speaker 4: leader have fallen by the wayside in many areas, such
Speaker 4: as tax and foreign policy. Today's president is, as ever,
Speaker 4: both uniquely important and politically constrained. But in many other
Speaker 4: areas he makes policy on his own, so that this
Speaker 4: year's election, in determining who will be president for four years,
Speaker 4: will also determine whether to leave the southern border open,
Speaker 4: whether to restructure the power industry and phase out gas
Speaker 4: stoves and internal combustion automobiles, and whether to require schools
Speaker 4: to let boys who feel they are girls compete in girls' sports.
Speaker 1: I mean, how the hell is the president in charge
Speaker 1: of all of that? I don't know. It is a
Speaker 1: point we've made before, but it's still an act.
Speaker 3: One point, the reason we get so worked up is
Speaker 3: whoever gets chosen makes all these policy decisions, and.
Speaker 1: They didn't before period. I mean, that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: And he points out that he's just named a few
Speaker 4: issues and there are many, many more of them in
Speaker 4: the executive toolkit, in the pen and the phone and the.
Speaker 1: Rest of it.
Speaker 4: Little wonder that the presidential campaigns have become billion dollar
Speaker 4: enterprises devoted mainly to partisan in interest group mobilization rather
Speaker 4: than courting the political center. It's telling both sides have
Speaker 4: said democracy is itself at stake for choosing the president
Speaker 4: is now what makes our democracy mainly consists of Sorry
Speaker 4: I misread that, but both sides employee highly precise data
Speaker 4: communications that all to win the presidency. And then the
Speaker 4: final part I want to include because I was you know,
Speaker 4: I knew this but had forgotten it. We've arrived at
Speaker 4: these straits through fifty years of gradual political evolution as
Speaker 4: one incremental step led to another with little appreciation of
Speaker 4: where they are going.
Speaker 1: And he mentions that it.
Speaker 4: Was in the nineteen seventies, friends, not the eighteen seventies,
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies that Congress created numerous executive branch agencies
Speaker 4: to deal with what he calls newly salient political issues.
Speaker 4: The EPA was commissioned invented in the seventies and now
Speaker 4: has awesome rule which is law making power and the
Speaker 4: power to punish. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the
Speaker 4: OSHA was born in the seventies, the Energy Department born
Speaker 4: in the seventies, the Education Department in the seventies, and
Speaker 4: many civil rights officers to adjudicate claims of discrimination. And
Speaker 4: these new offices possessed unprecedented power to issue sweeping national rules,
Speaker 4: often costing hundreds of millions of dollars a piece. Presidents
Speaker 4: noticed that they were getting the praise and blame for
Speaker 4: policies on which they weren't in the loop. They began
Speaker 4: to require agencies to submit rules to the White House
Speaker 4: omb the Office of Management and Budget, and they all
Speaker 4: rulemaking proposals would have to undergo a cost benefit analysis
Speaker 4: and then to make a long story slightly less long,
Speaker 4: the presidents realized, look, if these giant, sweeping powers of
Speaker 4: the executive are either bringing me credit or blame, I
Speaker 4: need to control them. And so now they do, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, the presidency is also electing like a third
Speaker 4: all powerful branch of Congress.
Speaker 3: Wow, how about all of those big agencies that control
Speaker 3: our lives that didn't even exist not that long ago,
Speaker 3: pre Disco, they didn't even exist.
Speaker 1: You know who?
Speaker 4: What president was was perhaps the second greatest force between giant,
Speaker 4: sprawling federal government after Fdr Nixon. Nixon was very soft
Speaker 4: on big controlling government. It was under his wife that
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff got started. Carter ratified a
Speaker 4: lot of it, but Nixon was a big government guy.
Speaker 3: So some good stuff this hour, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: to Josh Rogan of the Washington Post, who's waving his
Speaker 3: arms and saying, hello, how compan he's no pain. Nobody's
Speaker 3: paying attention to the Chinese hacking into our telecom stuff.
Speaker 1: Hello, this is a really really big deal. And it
Speaker 1: is a big deal.
Speaker 4: Janned the squirrel heard around the world speaking of animal
Speaker 4: world who chewed on nuts.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come down. There's got to be a
Speaker 1: hook here, got to be a hook.
Speaker 3: We got to talk about Panda eyes later. I almost
Speaker 3: hate too because it's so we got her though. I
Speaker 3: went on a deep dive on it last night, and
Speaker 3: it's just way way too.
Speaker 1: Wait h.
Speaker 4: We'll be plumbing the depths of crazy and stupid.
Speaker 1: Makes Pizzagate seem like, you know, real uh wow, all right,
Speaker 1: so all that on the way, stay with us.
Speaker 5: After the Dodgers won the World Series, Viole broke out
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles and a Nike store got looted. That
Speaker 5: is just disgusting. Yankee fans would never steal sporting goods
Speaker 5: unless it was during the game, right.
Speaker 1: Theah, yeah, exactly, that's a pretty good joke.
Speaker 4: So I in my flippings and clickings over the weekend,
Speaker 4: I became aware that a lot of people were posting
Speaker 4: memes having to do with a squirrel, and I was
Speaker 4: mystified by it and didn't know what to think of it.
Speaker 4: And then finally came across a good, solid explanation.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're telling you this this story because I
Speaker 3: kept seeing the headlines.
Speaker 4: About Peanut the squirrel, and I'm going to share some
Speaker 4: of what the Wall Street Journal editorial board said about
Speaker 4: Peanut the squirrel.
Speaker 3: Wow, it rose to the level of the Wall Street
Speaker 3: Journal editorial board.
Speaker 1: I think it was their lead editorial on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Okay, anyway, New York can't keep the subways safe. The
Speaker 4: mentally ill attack random pedestrians on the street, and the
Speaker 4: Manhattan District Attorney won't prosecute many nonviolent crimes and some violent,
Speaker 4: But how's a pet squirrel and the state's bureaucrats will
Speaker 4: come down on you like you're a menace to society.
Speaker 1: That's what Mark Longo says happened to him.
Speaker 4: Several government agents descended on his Upstate home on Wednesday
Speaker 4: in a heavy handed raid. Mister Longo and his wife
Speaker 4: run a nonprofit animal rescue operation. Two of their animal charges,
Speaker 4: a raccoon named Fred and a squirrel named Peanut, were
Speaker 4: targeted by ever vigilant agents from the state Departments of
Speaker 4: Environmental Conservation and Health. Said mister Longo to The New
Speaker 4: York Post quote, they treated me like I was a terrorist.
Speaker 4: They treated this raid as if I was a drug dealer.
Speaker 4: They ransacked my house for five hours. They asked my wife,
Speaker 4: who's of German descent, what her immigration status is. They
Speaker 4: asked if I had cameras in my house. They wouldn't
Speaker 4: allow me to go to the bathroom without a police escort,
Speaker 4: who then checked the back of the toilet to see
Speaker 4: if I was hiding anything there. So mister Longo took
Speaker 4: in Peanut several seven years ago after the little baby
Speaker 4: squirrel's mother was killed. Peanuts becomes something of a star
Speaker 4: on Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. He publishes images of Peanut
Speaker 4: behaving more like a domesticated house pet than a rodent
Speaker 4: in the wild. But he took in a baby squirrel
Speaker 4: and has had it for seven years and turned it
Speaker 4: into an Instagram star.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, in a pet.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but the squirrel cops raid his house, turn
Speaker 4: it upside down for five hours, would and let him
Speaker 4: go to the bathroom, grilled his wife about our immigration status,
Speaker 4: which is illegal in that situation in New York. Then
Speaker 4: took the two animals and euthanized them. Oh wow, killed
Speaker 4: their pets allegedly to check for rabies after Peanut allegedly
Speaker 4: bit one of the raiding agents on the hand, but
Speaker 4: mister Longo says he saw no evidence of the bite
Speaker 4: and the agents were wearing heavy gloves.
Speaker 1: Well, and it wouldn't have bit the agents if they hadn't.
Speaker 4: Come in also, well right, yeah, And then the editorial
Speaker 4: board of one of the most important newspapers in the
Speaker 4: world concludes.
Speaker 1: With too bad for peanut.
Speaker 4: He didn't steal shelves worth of goods from a drug store.
Speaker 4: He'd already be back safely at home. And if you
Speaker 4: spend much time on Twitter, I refuse to call it X.
Speaker 4: You know that James Woods the actor is an active
Speaker 4: participant and writer, and I will not you know, I
Speaker 4: mock celebrities who think their opinions matter because they're celebrities.
Speaker 4: James Woods is a very bright guy who decided to
Speaker 4: maximize his earning it potential through acting clearly. So he's
Speaker 4: the right to have his opinions taken seriously in my mind.
Speaker 1: And he's an actual genius, right, isn't that part of
Speaker 1: his whole thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's crazy, Bruce. He he's got whatever IQ that's
Speaker 3: his deal. But anyway, anyway, so he makes.
Speaker 4: The point on his Twitter feed and it was a
Speaker 4: bit long winded, but about how certain scientific discs goveries,
Speaker 4: though they seemed minor, upended the world of science. And
Speaker 4: he said, this brings me to my point. The oh,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make the point that throughout history, the
Speaker 4: most minor anomalies are often windows into a completely different
Speaker 4: understanding of the world. This event where armed officers took
Speaker 4: a pet squirrel from an individual in New York opens
Speaker 4: a Pandora's box of the horrors of leftist tyranny. The
Speaker 4: facts of the incident are disturbing enough. An anonymous instigator
Speaker 4: over one thousand miles away reported a humble man who
Speaker 4: had rescued a wounded squirrel and made him a pet
Speaker 4: for years. The informer's motives in doing so can only
Speaker 4: be guessed, but the owner of the pet had made
Speaker 4: the horrific mistake in today's America of supporting conservative thought online.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that, aeah, And that's thought that.
Speaker 1: It's thought that.
Speaker 4: That is why people started reporting him to New York
Speaker 4: for housing a squirrel. A cadre of armed officers got
Speaker 4: a search warrant, rummaged through the man's property for five hours,
Speaker 4: illegally questions his wife about her immigration status, ultimately seizing
Speaker 4: the pet and killing it without giving the owner any
Speaker 4: recourse to save its life. Now, let's take a look
Speaker 4: at the universe in which this macabre, horrid, little leftist
Speaker 4: comedy took place. In a nation overrun by tens of
Speaker 4: millions of illegal aliens, tens of millions folks crushed by
Speaker 4: rampant crime and gang warfare, and during a thirty five
Speaker 4: trillion dollar deficit, sole crushing inflation, a culture of infanticide
Speaker 4: and child mutilation, sexual dysphoria and insanity, and waging illegal
Speaker 4: lawfare against candidates of another party. New York State spent
Speaker 4: a full day killing a squirrel that had been a
Speaker 4: harmless pet cherished by its owners for literally years. The
Speaker 4: event of itself was just an act of petty cruelty,
Speaker 4: but as a window in a larger universe, it's a
Speaker 4: fissure into the mantle of our world, signaling a cataclysmic
Speaker 4: eruption that may well end this nation.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. God.
Speaker 3: I was going to use the example, maybe I'll talk
Speaker 3: about this later of when we were going to get
Speaker 3: into goat milk or goat soap and found out people
Speaker 3: who had been raided in this state of California for
Speaker 3: violating whatever, you know, crime everywhere, people doing all kinds
Speaker 3: of crime everywhere, but a whole bunch of state agencies
Speaker 3: will show up if you've got some illegal goat milk
Speaker 3: or something whatever.
Speaker 4: Good lad word free Josh Rogan on China next, really good,
Speaker 4: don't miss it Strong and Getty.
Speaker 6: This massive and pervasive hacking by China of US telecom
Speaker 6: companies is significant. Your colleague Mark Warner said, it's most
Speaker 6: significant breach he has ever seen in his entire time
Speaker 6: on the committee. Do you know if China has been
Speaker 6: able to access the audio of Americans phone calls?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm not going to comment on what the access,
Speaker 7: but I agree with Mark Warner's statement, it is an egregious, outrageous,
Speaker 7: and dangerous breach of our telecommunication systems across multiple companies.
Speaker 7: I'll leave it at that. I think as time goes on,
Speaker 7: we're going to learn more about it. Some of it
Speaker 7: will be made public. I think there's more that's still
Speaker 7: being gathered. It's a very serious situation that we face,
Speaker 7: and I think one that is quite threatening, maybe not
Speaker 7: directly to the election per se, but certainly to the
Speaker 7: national security of our country moving forward. It's a vulnerability
Speaker 7: that no one imagined or anticipated, but here it is.
Speaker 3: It's interesting that he put it in the context of
Speaker 3: the election.
Speaker 1: That is the problem. We're so focused on the election.
Speaker 3: This Giina Chinese hack of AT and T and Verizon,
Speaker 3: and again, as you just heard, there maybe the biggest
Speaker 3: hack that we've had in our nation's history. It's all
Speaker 3: being run through the prism of the election. Did they
Speaker 3: get anything on Trump or Harris that will affect the election?
Speaker 3: And blah blah blah, and otherwise ignoring the fact that
Speaker 3: Brennan asked at one point, were they actually listening to
Speaker 3: our phone calls of American citizens? And Mark Rubia said, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to comment on that.
Speaker 1: What what that seems like a big story.
Speaker 4: Josh Rogan wrote a terrific piece in The Washington Post
Speaker 4: about this. Josh is the columnist for the Global Opinion
Speaker 4: section of the Post, author of a terrific book, Chaos
Speaker 4: under Heaven Trump she in the Battle for the twenty
Speaker 4: first Century, among other things, and Josh joins us. Now, Josh,
Speaker 4: this seems like the all time champion great significance to
Speaker 4: little attention story of all time, or close to it.
Speaker 8: Right in any sane world, this would be the most
Speaker 8: important thing on the news right now. But the timing
Speaker 8: of the election is actually kind of unfortunate because it's
Speaker 8: overshadowing what one of my sources said is the biggest
Speaker 8: intelligence breach in US history. Wow, and answer that, Marco
Speaker 8: Ribo wanted to give but couldn't because it's classified information.
Speaker 8: But I'm going to tell you anyway, is that yes,
Speaker 8: they're listening to the audio real time phone calls and
Speaker 8: watching the text messages in real time of hundreds, if
Speaker 8: not thousands of American citizens. That they've been doing it
Speaker 8: for a year, and they're embedded in the telecom systems
Speaker 8: in a way that even our own intelligence community doesn't
Speaker 8: fully understand. They don't know how to get them out,
Speaker 8: they don't know if they can get them out. And
Speaker 8: this is a problem that's just so big and so
Speaker 8: hard to wrap your head around that the US companies
Speaker 8: don't want to talk about it because it's embarrassing. They
Speaker 8: don't have any answers, and if people really knew what
Speaker 8: was going on, they would freak out. And the bottom
Speaker 8: line is that the telecomps don't want to tell anybody
Speaker 8: either because it's their systems that got hacked. But I
Speaker 8: think what you heard from Warner and from Rubio in
Speaker 8: that clip is that this is real, This is big,
Speaker 8: and this is not going away.
Speaker 9: It's only going to get worse.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So the Chinese have been into our biggest phone companies
Speaker 3: for a year, and they don't know how to get
Speaker 3: them out or if they can get them out.
Speaker 8: It's even worse than that, because they not only did
Speaker 8: they get are they into the phone companies, they got
Speaker 8: through in the system that the phone company is built
Speaker 8: for the FBI to do wire tapping on criminals and
Speaker 8: spies and people talking with criminals.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 9: FBI can only.
Speaker 8: Do that theoretically with a legal warrant, but the Chinese
Speaker 8: intelligence services don't care about that. So they have all
Speaker 8: the access maybe not only to our phones and to
Speaker 8: our text but also to all of the federal investigations
Speaker 8: that are underway and all the counter intelligence operations that
Speaker 8: are underway, which could be completely compromised everywhere around the world.
Speaker 8: And how you deal with that is a whole other problem.
Speaker 1: Boy, to say, this is devastating.
Speaker 4: I need to invent a new word to correctly convey
Speaker 4: the seriousness of this astounding catacly Well, that seems like
Speaker 4: a good word, And Josh, I hate to leap to
Speaker 4: the libertarian you know angle of this immediately, but the
Speaker 4: idea that the government and the phone companies assured us
Speaker 4: that no, these portals into your private communications will only
Speaker 4: be used for the most important of investigations and get
Speaker 4: very serious, very safe rather has has always been you know,
Speaker 4: exposed as a lie.
Speaker 8: Right, There'll be a time for the politics of all
Speaker 8: of this, but I have to agree that it proves
Speaker 8: that when you build back doors for the government into
Speaker 8: encrypted systems, things go wrong because those back doors are vulnerabilities,
Speaker 8: and they get the bad guys as well as the
Speaker 8: good guys can figure out how to get into them.
Speaker 8: And there's another political angle too, which is the PISO
Speaker 8: warrant issue, because if you're anywhere in Donald Trump's orbit,
Speaker 8: you have a thing against PISO warrants because they were
Speaker 8: used to spy on the Trump campaign in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 8: and that's the same system. It's not the same issue,
Speaker 8: but it's the same system. So there's a lot of
Speaker 8: crazy tangents that will come out of this. But the
Speaker 8: first thing is just for in my opinion, of Americans
Speaker 8: to know that they're vulnerable so that they could do
Speaker 8: something about it, so they can change their practices, and
Speaker 8: to the telecom community, and for the intelligence community to
Speaker 8: tell us what's going on, because that's what they're supposed
Speaker 8: to do.
Speaker 9: When something like this happened.
Speaker 3: What's your worst case scenario for what China could do
Speaker 3: with some of this information that they've gathered.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean again, I think the worst case scenario,
Speaker 8: hopefully that we won't see, is that they use it
Speaker 8: to interfere in our politics in a direct way.
Speaker 9: That's kind of what the Russians of the Irritians would do.
Speaker 8: What it seems more likely is that they'll just save
Speaker 8: it all and use it in intelligence ways for blackmail, disinformation,
Speaker 8: deep fakes, you know, collecting on any American they want
Speaker 8: for any time. So it's kind of like there's a
Speaker 8: lot of worst case scenarios, and you know, there's no
Speaker 8: way to sort of plan for all of them. But
Speaker 8: it seems that the primary worst case scenario, which is
Speaker 8: that our telecommunications networks are compromised, that's already here. That's
Speaker 8: a pretty bad case scenario.
Speaker 1: Already, right.
Speaker 4: I completely understand the concept of if they know all
Speaker 4: of our secrets, the worst case scenario is they will
Speaker 4: use them whenever they need to for the next one
Speaker 4: hundred years.
Speaker 1: But at the.
Speaker 4: Same time, I'm sorry, I'm just so flabbergasted by the
Speaker 4: notion that they have access to a great deal of
Speaker 4: our counter intelligence.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is just so disastrous.
Speaker 8: Right, So we have you know, not just counter intelligence
Speaker 8: criminal investigations, any wire tap or surveillance that the FBI
Speaker 8: or any other federal law enforcement is doing.
Speaker 9: Those records are kept somewhere. Now this is kind of
Speaker 9: a part we don't know, to be clear, we don't
Speaker 9: know if they have that.
Speaker 8: What we do know is that they, excuse me, collect
Speaker 8: already collected audio on for example, former President Trump, jd Vance,
Speaker 8: Jared Kushner, Eric Trump, members of the Harris campaign, congressional
Speaker 8: staffers for Chuck Schumer, leading US business leaders, leading US
Speaker 8: government officials.
Speaker 9: We don't know their names.
Speaker 8: So those are the people they've already spied on and
Speaker 8: already have got stuff on. And the list keeps growing
Speaker 8: every day the FBI finds out more people, and eventually
Speaker 8: you have to think like, oh, maybe we should tell
Speaker 8: those people, right, And the FBI has been reluctant to
Speaker 8: do that because once they tell these people, these people
Speaker 8: tell other people, and all of a sudden, people like
Speaker 8: me start to figure out what's going on, and then
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, I got to tell the country, you know.
Speaker 8: But you know, eventually there's this problem where people are
Speaker 8: getting spied on. They need to know it okay. And
Speaker 8: if the government doesn't want to tell us because they're
Speaker 8: embarrassed about it, that's that's its own problem.
Speaker 4: You know, the mar Josh Rogan Global Opinions come lists
Speaker 4: or the Washington Posters online Chack go ahead.
Speaker 1: And the more I think about it, it makes such sense.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is small ball for Shi or whoever
Speaker 3: makes these decisions to try to affect the election.
Speaker 1: He's thinking bigger than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, he wants to influence policy on a major level,
Speaker 3: or understand it ahead of time or whatever over whoever
Speaker 3: ends up in the administration, maybe for years to come.
Speaker 3: So yeah, just you know, nudging the election one where
Speaker 3: or another's probably small compared to their thoughts.
Speaker 9: Well, that's right.
Speaker 8: They'd rather preserve it for let's say, hypothetically, China invades
Speaker 8: Taiwan and then we try to do something about it,
Speaker 8: and then they shut down our telecomsystem. Not to mention
Speaker 8: whatever else they're in, because this is just a piece
Speaker 8: of the puzzle. The Chinese are also into our energy
Speaker 8: systems and our manufacturing and construction systems, and you know,
Speaker 8: our internet service providers. Do you imagine that's a pretty
Speaker 8: big deterrent for us getting involved to try to save Taiwan.
Speaker 8: If they're like, oh, we're just going to shut off
Speaker 8: your internet and your phones and then we're going to
Speaker 8: see what's what you know, So, yeah, they have their
Speaker 8: own interest. So it's also not clear that the Chinese
Speaker 8: have a clear preference between Harris and Trump. The Russians
Speaker 8: want Harris, I'm sorry, the Russians want Trump, the Ranis
Speaker 8: want Harris.
Speaker 9: The Chinese can play it either way. So they're preparing
Speaker 9: for both scenarios.
Speaker 8: That's why they're spying on both camps because they want.
Speaker 9: To be ready either way.
Speaker 4: Right, And it occurs to me that you know, given
Speaker 4: the openness of our democratic system and the fact that
Speaker 4: the legislature weighs in on so many of the important
Speaker 4: policies and topics visvr relationship with China going forward for
Speaker 4: the next twenty years, you know, decoupling the economies, the farm,
Speaker 4: big pharma, you know, tech, military technologies, chips, just all
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 1: All of that is going.
Speaker 4: To go through the legislative process. And if they can
Speaker 4: bring pressure to bear on one point six million people
Speaker 4: who they have dossiers on having just talked to their
Speaker 4: lover on the cell phone or texting their booky or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean, they are going to exert that pressure wherever
Speaker 4: they can. Oh my god, what a what a what
Speaker 4: a situation.
Speaker 9: It's really bad.
Speaker 3: You have got to be I mean, this is the
Speaker 3: reason of your piece. Just shocked that it's not getting
Speaker 3: more attention than it is.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think, to be honest, guys, this
Speaker 8: is why people inside the system brought this story to me.
Speaker 8: One of them said, because they're taking a risk by
Speaker 8: you know, telling me a lot of the classified information
Speaker 8: knowing that I'm going to tell the world, because they
Speaker 8: thought it was that important. One of them said to me, listen, Josh,
Speaker 8: this is bigger than the election, and we can't afford
Speaker 8: to let this get caught up in policy and you know,
Speaker 8: again sort of the blame game and how it's going
Speaker 8: to affect privacy and how it's going to you know,
Speaker 8: the debate over Faise and the Russia Gate or whatever.
Speaker 8: My sore said to me, listen, that's not but that's
Speaker 8: not the most important thing right now. The people need
Speaker 8: to know because the response has to have a fire
Speaker 8: lit under it, because the telecom companies and the FBI
Speaker 8: and the intelligence community are bearing this thing now, are
Speaker 8: they burying it because.
Speaker 9: Of the election.
Speaker 8: Know, they're probably bearing it because they don't know what
Speaker 8: they're do. You know, they don't know what to do,
Speaker 8: you know, And it's it's really, it's just such a
Speaker 8: huge problem that you know, people are going to get
Speaker 8: freaked out, but better than they get freaked out by
Speaker 8: the truth and not. And I don't see any reason
Speaker 8: to wait election or no election to tell people that
Speaker 8: they're at risk.
Speaker 1: Did I just have an acid flashback?
Speaker 4: Or did your source say to you, Josh, this is
Speaker 4: bigger than the election.
Speaker 9: That's a direct quote, you know, bigger than the election.
Speaker 3: Okay, and good well, you're you're gonna be the Woodward
Speaker 3: and Bernstein of this story. Then we will keep an
Speaker 3: eye on your column and uh, you know, and your
Speaker 3: Twitter feed on this one, because this has got legs.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 8: I'll let you know when I get another piece of it,
Speaker 8: because this is gonna get worse.
Speaker 9: BEFO is better.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: We have a link to Josh's whole piece at the
Speaker 4: top of hot Links Armstrong and getty dot com. Josh
Speaker 4: always enlightening in a pleasure. Thanks a million, good day.
Speaker 4: We are so Jack, just real quick. I'm looking at
Speaker 4: the top of the most red opinion pieces in the
Speaker 4: uh the waffhole right now. Number one, who's going to
Speaker 4: win on election Day? Here are eight columnist predictions. Number two,
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Speaker 4: If Trump loses Pennsylvania, he'll have no one to blame
Speaker 4: but himself. Fifth, it's about abortion.
Speaker 3: And I a lefty friend who was always so into
Speaker 3: who was president and Trump and then this and that,
Speaker 3: And I could never get them into a conversation about
Speaker 3: China or anything, you know, big, because they always go
Speaker 3: back to the election. That's way a lot of people are.
Speaker 3: And how about how about sources going to Josh Rogan
Speaker 3: because they know he's into this sort of stuff, saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: we got to give you some information. Print a piece
Speaker 3: about this. Nobody's paying attention. It's bigger than the election.
Speaker 3: It's the biggest hack of our systems in US history
Speaker 3: by China, our number one enemy, and it's getting no coverage.
Speaker 3: And Margaret Brennan throws it in at the end, after
Speaker 3: arguing about Trump and what he said about Liz Cheney,
Speaker 3: she throws around at the very end after like an
Speaker 3: eight minute interview, as an after thoughts, as an after thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, wow, well golly, how do we transition?
Speaker 1: We can't.
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Speaker 3: And arguing about that for days and ignoring the fact
Speaker 3: that world history is not going to change. There's always
Speaker 3: a battle for who's in charge of what, and China
Speaker 3: wants to take over and they just had and they
Speaker 3: just you know, had a huge, huge win and get
Speaker 3: your go ahead. If you talk to one thousand people today,
Speaker 3: how many people would know this story.
Speaker 4: And I'm picturing Shijinping. They're in Beijing saying, oh my god,
Speaker 4: they discovered our hack. What are the Americans saying? And
Speaker 4: his advisers saying, nobody's really noticed. They're not talking about
Speaker 4: it at all. Other than the Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 4: We got a lot more on the way. Stay here.
Speaker 1: Arizona police the.
Speaker 3: Rest of the man for allegedly trying not to lose
Speaker 3: his home by keeping his late father's body in a
Speaker 3: backyard freezer.
Speaker 1: He's being charged with making a popsickle. It's a terrible joke.
Speaker 3: I agree. So did you see the second skit or
Speaker 3: the first skit?
Speaker 1: I guess. After the monologue on Sordayn Live, I thought
Speaker 1: it was so good, No Sir missed us.
Speaker 3: So John Mulaney, the comedian, was the host, and so
Speaker 3: he did his stand up routine as the monologue, which
Speaker 3: was very, very funny as always. But anyway, they did
Speaker 3: this skit a game show, which is a common Saturday
Speaker 3: Night live mechanism for things, and it was What's My Name,
Speaker 3: which they've done before, but in this particular version, they
Speaker 3: have John Mulaney playing one of the contestants on the
Speaker 3: game show What's My Name? And he's a liberal who
Speaker 3: is really concerned about the election. It's the most important
Speaker 3: election of his life. Time blah blah, blah blah. And
Speaker 3: so the game show host says, okay, fantastic, here's our
Speaker 3: first guest, what's his name? And out walks and I
Speaker 3: couldn't name him. When he walked out, I recognized him,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't name him either. It was Tim Kaine,
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's running mate in twenty sixteen, right, right, right,
Speaker 3: And the host of the game show says, you called
Speaker 3: the election in twenty sixteen the most important election in
Speaker 3: US history. What's this guy's name?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 3: And you know, John Baliney asked the guess those shows, like, I, ah,
Speaker 3: is that Tim Walls? He looks kind of like Tim Walls,
Speaker 3: but it's not Tim Walls. But anyway, just making the
Speaker 3: whole point obviously that we call this the most important
Speaker 3: thing that's ever happened, and a few years later the guy's.
Speaker 1: Standing right in front of you and you don't even
Speaker 1: know his name. Right.
Speaker 3: Also, I thought the other funny joke was it was
Speaker 3: some somebody but who had been wrong, some group of
Speaker 3: women that had been wrong somehow by the evil right wing.
Speaker 3: You tweeted out years ago, say their names, and you
Speaker 3: listed all their names. Can you give one of their names?
Speaker 3: You tweeted out all their names, Uh, say their names?
Speaker 3: Name one of them? And he couldn't, of course, because
Speaker 3: it's all just a hashtag hashtag activism act.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: I couldn't name the guy either, and I was pretty
Speaker 3: you know, follow politics for a living, and I just like, eh,
Speaker 3: he looks familiar.
Speaker 1: I know he's a senator, right. It was uh, oh god,
Speaker 1: that's funny. This is not funny.
Speaker 3: You thought it was bad enough that the Chinese have
Speaker 3: hacked into your cell phone and are listening maybe listening
Speaker 3: to your calls. Actually can listen to individual calls. Marco
Speaker 3: Rubio didn't deny that anyway. Back to this, giant spiders
Speaker 3: the size of human hands are breeding faster than ever
Speaker 3: in England.
Speaker 1: Oh no a zoo.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, Go released thousands of fen
Speaker 3: raft spiders. I never heard of that particular breed of spider.
Speaker 3: After the species was found to be in decline and
Speaker 3: worried about it going extinct, so they released all these spiders.
Speaker 1: Now a good idea.
Speaker 3: Now has often happens when man intervenes in these sorts
Speaker 3: of things. It's gotten completely out of control. And they
Speaker 3: have at least ten thousand breeding females that have had
Speaker 3: the biggest mating season on record. And there are again,
Speaker 3: spiders the size of your hand breeding so fast they
Speaker 3: can't keep up with them.
Speaker 4: And I don't even have particularly big hands, but I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: Well I'm looking at the picture. That's a big a spider.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would shriek if you saw that, Like you
Speaker 3: pull back your sheets to get into bed.
Speaker 4: Ah ten thousand breeding females. We got to get them
Speaker 4: the pill. Or of course, hey, ladies, cross your eight legs.
Speaker 4: All right, just because some smooth talking erected maybe Zandia
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you got to give up the goods.
Speaker 1: Save that for marriage.
Speaker 3: They won't breed in from America Handmaids tale. We all
Speaker 3: know how that's going to work. We need to talk
Speaker 3: a little more about the election in hour three as
Speaker 3: it is tomorrow a little The funniest polling statistic that
Speaker 3: I've come across.
Speaker 1: You've got to hear this if you haven't heard it.
Speaker 6: Armstrong and Getty