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Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. New Orleans. Well, y'all in
Speaker 1: the heap of trouble, Spencer Rattler m hm. So if
Speaker 1: you just take that r and put it down, would
Speaker 1: that's what the Saints fans, That's what y'all gotta look
Speaker 1: forward to. Uh, and the preseason opener, despite throwing the
Speaker 1: pick six, rookie Tyler Schuck comes off the bench and
Speaker 1: out plays Rattler. Uh. If you could believe that, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like getting bit by water moccason or radsnake.
Speaker 1: It's just how close are you to Anna venom? I mean,
Speaker 1: both gonna hurt, both gonna go and excruciating thing swelling
Speaker 1: will be a meeting shortness of breath. That's what you
Speaker 1: get with these two quarterbacks. I don't know why they didn't.
Speaker 1: I hope Kellen Moore, who's a Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 2: He signed a long, long, long.
Speaker 1: Deal, like six years, because it's gonna be a while
Speaker 1: with those two quarterbacks before they win safe quarterback. In
Speaker 1: the first preseason game, Rattler was seven of eleven fifty
Speaker 1: three yards, zero touchdown, zero in reception, but he did
Speaker 1: lose a fumble. Tyler shuck fifteen or twenty two one
Speaker 1: sixty five, one touchdown, one pick six.
Speaker 3: Who oh, job ahead right Listen. While I was watching
Speaker 3: the game to day before the game, before the game started,
Speaker 3: I threw out a tweet to Saints fans. I have
Speaker 3: a lot of Saints fans that follow me on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Excuse me that followed me on asks me and the
Speaker 3: question was, are you guys optimistic about Spencer Rattler as
Speaker 3: quarterback number one? And all the answers were unanimous and
Speaker 3: saying that they don't believe in him, and there were
Speaker 3: a few that said, you know what, I'm optimistic about him.
Speaker 3: He can improve in his second year. So based on
Speaker 3: the small sample side of we were able to see
Speaker 3: from Spencer Ratler today and didn't look promising. But again,
Speaker 3: it is a preseason. It is a preseason, maybe a
Speaker 3: little rusty first time out against competition outside of yourself,
Speaker 3: So I want to give him a little grace. I
Speaker 3: want to give him a little grace, Tyler, but.
Speaker 2: He's not a rookie all.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: He started, he started real games last year. I would
Speaker 1: expect him to look a little better the second time around,
Speaker 1: in a vanilla type game plan than a rookie. Then say,
Speaker 1: Jackson Dark say your door, Sanders say some of these
Speaker 1: even shook.
Speaker 2: Okay, if Shuk's gonna struggle, okay, I get that.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie first time playing in the NFL, not
Speaker 1: a guy that started games in the NFL to play
Speaker 1: that that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, listen, look, it looked rough, but last
Speaker 3: year watching Spencer Raller, he played bad at times, but
Speaker 3: at times he showed flashes of what he can do.
Speaker 3: What we have to find he has to find that
Speaker 3: that that happy medium, that keel of balance of consistency
Speaker 3: where it doesn't drop below the bar. The standard has
Speaker 3: to be the standard of consistency. He hadn't found that yet. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna panic. I'm not saying I'm a Saints fan,
Speaker 3: but just for his sake, I think quarterback number one
Speaker 3: is Spencer Raller. I don't see a rookie beating him out.
Speaker 3: Obviously it looked good. Tyler, how do you say pronounces
Speaker 3: last name Tyler shuck? Obviously probably going against the threes
Speaker 3: in the four. Once he did get into the game,
Speaker 3: you would look a certain way, you would look a
Speaker 3: little better in that manner. But I think Spencer Raaler
Speaker 3: is an answer for them, and it's it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: But again it's a small sambit size. I wouldn't panic
Speaker 3: right now, being that everything is so vanilla, but the
Speaker 3: fact that it is vanilla, you should look the par
Speaker 3: You should look the par with it being your your
Speaker 3: your second year sec.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is what's for me.
Speaker 1: Spencer Ratler style of play will eventually get him cut
Speaker 1: and a coach fired. That's what happens when you're not
Speaker 1: consistent at that position, because that position gets coaches fired
Speaker 1: quicker than anything, get general managers terminated quicker than anything.
Speaker 2: Now they felt comfortable enough.
Speaker 1: They it's like, okay, we're gonna wait till the I
Speaker 1: think they got shook in the second round, second or
Speaker 1: third round.
Speaker 2: They's like, we like Spencer Rattler, We liking.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was a highly sought after guy went to the
Speaker 1: University of Oklahoma, Uh, you know, and then Kayleb Williams came.
Speaker 1: He transferred to goes to the univers of South Carolina.
Speaker 1: So he has some arm talent, but he's he's just
Speaker 1: a little inconsistent for my taste. And it's hard to
Speaker 1: win when you don't get consistency out of that position,
Speaker 1: because eventually it.
Speaker 2: Will get him cut and it'll get the coach fired.
Speaker 2: Because that we had.
Speaker 1: Richard Smith used to tell us all the time, he says,
Speaker 1: that type of play will get you cut and get
Speaker 1: me fired.
Speaker 2: I can't get any better because all I can do.
Speaker 1: Is just give you what you should be doing. It's
Speaker 1: incumbent upon you. He's kind of, you know, loose with
Speaker 1: the ball is easily knocked out of his hands.
Speaker 2: He turns it over. But this is what the Saints,
Speaker 2: he looked.
Speaker 1: What happened was is that when you have quarterbacks like Breeze,
Speaker 1: and you have quarterbacks like Manning, and you have quarterbacks
Speaker 1: like Brady, you don't want to waste the guy. So
Speaker 1: you're picking guys in the fourth or fifth round and
Speaker 1: you're letting them sit with no chance of getting you know,
Speaker 1: not doing anything. And so when those guys, move on,
Speaker 1: now you gotta rush. They tried James Jambs tears his knee.
Speaker 1: They tried Taysom Hill. But I never thought Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: was a quarterback. He was very good in the role
Speaker 1: that he was in as a jack. He'll play a
Speaker 1: little quarterback, He'll a little full back, he could play
Speaker 1: some tight end. He's good on special teams. He's a jack,
Speaker 1: do a lot a multitude of things. But I didn't
Speaker 1: think he was a specialist or a great quarterback. So
Speaker 1: I never thought that experiment was going to work. I
Speaker 1: think Jamis could have been good, but Jamis towards me,
Speaker 1: and then they kind of moved They kind of moved
Speaker 1: on from Jamis. The way I look at I think
Speaker 1: defensively they might be a little you know, they might
Speaker 1: be a little better. They're starting to get a little
Speaker 1: little older. Honey Badger retired Jordan Cam Jordan. I think
Speaker 1: he's going into what it's fifteen season. He's in that
Speaker 1: twenty eleven class with Von Miller, JJ Watt, all those guys.
Speaker 1: But in that division, you got to get better. Because Tampa,
Speaker 1: Tampa's gotten better, I think Atlanta's gotten better, and so
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that the quarterback that the Saints
Speaker 1: won't or needs that can get them to where they
Speaker 1: want to be a consistent team. You know, a team
Speaker 1: that wins consistently, that can get to the playoffs and
Speaker 1: maybe win a game or two in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that quarterback is on their roster.
Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I think heavily. I think
Speaker 3: for the sake of Spencer Raller, I think the fact
Speaker 3: that he has Album Kamara to take some of the
Speaker 3: pressure off of him. You have Rashi shi Head, you
Speaker 3: have Chris o'lave. I'm not sure who the number three
Speaker 3: will be there obviously, but I think his job will
Speaker 3: be a little easier because of the talent he has
Speaker 3: around him. Chris o'lave is a very very good receiver.
Speaker 3: Rashichi is a burner. He's a very very good receiver.
Speaker 3: Now it's going to be Kellen Moore to put those
Speaker 3: players in positions to be able to to make sure
Speaker 3: a Spencer Raller doesn't get him bired. You know, there's
Speaker 3: one thing you can do is when you have a
Speaker 3: quarterback as bad as them based on their play, you
Speaker 3: have to find a way to hide their weakness. You
Speaker 3: have to find a way to hide their weaknesses, and
Speaker 3: it's easy to do when you have players of that magnitude.
Speaker 3: Albn Kamara is still one of the best in NFL
Speaker 3: despite I'm just.
Speaker 1: Not gonna le Kamara beat me. I'm gonna make Spencer
Speaker 1: Ratler through football.
Speaker 3: But listen, that's the thing if you if you're gonna
Speaker 3: go into game saying, you know what, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: Spencer Rally beat me. I like his chances with Chris
Speaker 3: Olavey and Rashishi heat I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2: What was their record last year?
Speaker 3: Oh shit? Oh but hey, you know what the number
Speaker 3: three is Brandon Cooks. You know, come on now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think he's He's not the Brandon cook that was
Speaker 1: first in New Orleans, or the Brandon Cooks that was
Speaker 1: in New England, or even the Brandon Cooks that was
Speaker 1: in the Rams. I mean think, oh your damn. He's
Speaker 1: been like fourteens in the last four years.
Speaker 3: He can still run.
Speaker 2: He can still oh you can still run.
Speaker 3: You can still do his thing in the slot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He's easy, I hope using the word serviceable, but you
Speaker 3: can put them in a position to make plays right,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: I know, what was the record last year the Saints?
Speaker 1: I mean the offensive line. How good is the offensive
Speaker 1: line gonna be to be able to protect him? I
Speaker 1: mean they gave up five sacks today.
Speaker 2: They were five and twelve last year.
Speaker 3: Joe, that's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 1: Hey, Look, everybody's running vanilla vanilla offense, vanilla defense, vanilla
Speaker 1: special teams, and nobody showing anything. Nobody's trying to put
Speaker 1: anything on tape. That's gonna be extraordinary. Spencer Ratler having played,
Speaker 1: I just to expect it's kind of like a second
Speaker 1: year guy.
Speaker 2: A second year guy makes mistakes.
Speaker 1: The coaches are gonna be harder on him because he's
Speaker 1: already gone through this the previous year. Bro, You've already
Speaker 1: and Spencer Radler played in real games. Sometimes, don't your
Speaker 1: guys get on the practice squad, They don't get off that,
Speaker 1: and then they come back and they have to go through.
Speaker 2: The thing again. But Spencer Rattler has been in meaningful
Speaker 2: ball games.
Speaker 1: He's actually played in the regular season and played in
Speaker 1: regular season games, So I would expect him to look
Speaker 1: a little sharper than what he did now. He was
Speaker 1: only I mean he only threw seven passes and so
Speaker 1: he's probably only in there fourteen to fifteen plays. The
Speaker 1: question is long term because that's what that's what we
Speaker 1: get down to, because no, Baker Mayfield is Tampa's long
Speaker 1: term solution. Atlanta believe Pennick Jr. Is their long term solution.
Speaker 1: Bryce Carolina believe Bryce Young is their long term solution.
Speaker 1: The question is now based on what they did. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe they believe Shuck is going to be able to
Speaker 1: come in and unseat Spencer Rattler and be their long
Speaker 1: term solution. But in order to win at this level,
Speaker 1: at that level in today's game, you gotta get a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Because you know why with Joe, because he's the one
Speaker 1: position that you cannot hide.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: If I got a week corner, I rode I roll coverage.
Speaker 1: If I got a week safety, I'll keep him back,
Speaker 1: put it ass down in the box, I keep him
Speaker 1: out of home. Okay, if I got to if I
Speaker 1: got an offensive lineman, I'll slide protection.
Speaker 2: I'll chip the back.
Speaker 1: I say, hey, you make sure you chip your way
Speaker 1: out so I can find ways to protect a weekiness.
Speaker 1: If it's something other than a quarterback, you can't hide
Speaker 1: the guy that has the ball every single time.
Speaker 3: You're right, But I like I like that you said that.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I'm thinking from an offensive perspective, thinking
Speaker 3: as myself as a receiver and the quality the quality
Speaker 3: of receivers they have, you know, in in New Orleans,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking Chris olave, Rashish, he Brandon Cooks, They're so good.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the tightest name. He's a very good
Speaker 3: service with tight end as well. I can't remember his
Speaker 3: last name. But I'm thinking that they can be put
Speaker 3: in positions to be able to hide the weakness that
Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler may have, whatever it may be. That's that's
Speaker 3: that's that's what I'm thinking. That's my thought process, you know.
Speaker 3: And as an officer coordinator, whoever the officer coordinator is,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if Kelly.
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore cool codinator?
Speaker 3: Oh man, listen, man, listen. I don't want to lose
Speaker 3: my job. So what do I need to do. I
Speaker 3: need to use those around me. I need to use
Speaker 3: those weapons, put them in advantageous positions because my quarterback
Speaker 3: is not as good as i'd like.
Speaker 1: Right, Juwan Johnson and Taysom Hill are the tight.
Speaker 3: End Jawan Johnson A he nice a young, young, young,
Speaker 3: young young fella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's more.
Speaker 1: He's more of an f more of the age back type.
Speaker 1: Got you know, got receiving skills, got uh uh, more
Speaker 1: of a move tight end. Tasom Hill is the same thing.
Speaker 1: You can do a lot of different things with Taysom Hill.
Speaker 1: You can put him at full back. You can, Hey,
Speaker 1: you bring him in and run the to push with him.
Speaker 1: You know, you can throw him the football. You can
Speaker 1: do a lot of things with him. And Kelly Moore
Speaker 1: has a very creative mind. But you've got to get
Speaker 1: consistent play from the quarterback position because it's the one
Speaker 1: position you can't hide. Eventually, I'll figure you out and
Speaker 1: I'll make I'll make him beat me.
Speaker 2: I'll make him beat me. M hm, and I'll see
Speaker 2: if he can do it.
Speaker 3: Hey, that that's tough.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 3: In fact that I asked question in ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the Saints fan were like, Eh, it's going to be
Speaker 3: a long year. We might win four games. Hell, we
Speaker 3: won five last year. We're still having We're still haven't
Speaker 3: addressed the position that is the most important that we
Speaker 3: do need, and obviously it took Tyler Shuck and what second.
Speaker 1: Round I think they took him. It took him in
Speaker 1: a second round. No, it might have been forty row.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm assuming. I'm not sure what they saw
Speaker 3: on film from him as opposed to what we saw
Speaker 3: on film from twelve. But listen that that conversation is
Speaker 3: like being the dead horse. They saw what they saw.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure the scouts were and felt he So
Speaker 3: maybe he is, Maybe he is. We'll we'll find out.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins rookie Quinn you were struggled in his preseason debut.
Speaker 1: He was four sixteen sixty three yards, zero touchdowns, zero interceptions,
Speaker 1: two sacks to lost fumbles. You were the afternoon afternoon
Speaker 1: did not do anything to the possible position battle between
Speaker 1: himself and Sid Wilson, who went fired for as a
Speaker 1: primary backup O Joe because Wilson was five or nine
Speaker 1: for ninety six yards. When we go back and look
Speaker 1: at note Joe, which rookie impressed you the most this weekend?
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders. Sanders was fourteen of twenty three one thirty
Speaker 1: eight two touchdowns on the road. Cam Ward five of
Speaker 1: eight sixty seven yard Jackson dark twelve of nineteen one
Speaker 1: fifty four one touchdown Jalen Mill wrote six or ten
Speaker 1: sixty one yards Tyler Shuck fifteen to twenty two one
Speaker 1: sixty five one touchdown winn exception Cam Miller seventy six
Speaker 1: or seven seventy six yards of a touchdown.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, everything we saw from the rookies, you
Speaker 3: know this, this uh this past weekend. I was the
Speaker 3: one that impressed me the most is the one that
Speaker 3: had the most time, had the most time to be
Speaker 3: on the field, and that was Shador. Obviously he the
Speaker 3: most of what we saw from Cam cam Ward in
Speaker 3: such a short amount of time. He looked good. He
Speaker 3: was wheeling and dealing, looked very at the quarter of
Speaker 3: that position. And now side of that, everyone was fair.
Speaker 3: Everyone was fair. And in no scenario and no scenario,
Speaker 3: did I would did I did I think that Ken
Speaker 3: Ewers would beat Zach Wilson out of his job? I
Speaker 3: didn't think that. I know Zach is probably going to
Speaker 3: be quarterback number two, and if things aren't going well
Speaker 3: and and too it gets hurt, I think Zach Wilson'll
Speaker 3: be able to come in and make the place necessary.
Speaker 3: Based on what we saw from him at the Jets,
Speaker 3: always running for his life with that old line, which
Speaker 3: is the same thing that happened to Aaron Rodgers. I
Speaker 3: think he would be fine. The other quarterbacks, Tyler shuck
Speaker 3: and it was nice. But again, you're going against three
Speaker 3: and fours. Is that really a tail tall? My grandma
Speaker 3: said a tale, yeah, yeah, yeah, based on what you're
Speaker 3: gonna get. Again, it's so it's such a small sample
Speaker 3: size from everybody and what we're doing. It really doesn't
Speaker 3: say much until the bullets are flying for real, When
Speaker 3: the buds are flying for real and teams are are
Speaker 3: scheming and the game planning, now that's a whole different
Speaker 3: ball game.
Speaker 1: I thought Jackson darkush, Yeah, he pushed the ball down
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Jalen Mirroe fat flash potential. You know he has a
Speaker 1: big time arm o Joe, he has incredible legs.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He just got to get a little better with his
Speaker 1: consistency and touch things that you can work on.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that we wanted because but
Speaker 1: all these other guys have gotten major reps.
Speaker 2: You got to realize you do it didn't get major reps.
Speaker 1: So now, but the mental reps that he was taking
Speaker 1: in the game that was able to help him process
Speaker 1: and do the things necessary in order for him to
Speaker 1: have the type of performance that he had. Now I'm
Speaker 1: hoping this week they played, probably at home, he gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity to consolidate that. You know, in tennis, when
Speaker 1: you break a serve, they say, let's see, can you
Speaker 1: consolidate it? When you break something? When you know, when
Speaker 1: you hold your own serve, so you consolidated. Let's see
Speaker 1: if he can consolidate that what he did on Friday night.
Speaker 2: What another performance on what he can do? You know
Speaker 2: when they play Thursday of Friday.
Speaker 1: Ash So if he can consolidate that, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: Cleveland can look and says, Okay, I think we have
Speaker 1: a guy that has the right mental makeup because you
Speaker 1: have to be incredibly strong minded in order to play
Speaker 1: that position on it.
Speaker 3: Funny thinking about it, I'm glad you said that they
Speaker 3: play again Thursday. You said, right, they play Saturday, play Saturday.
Speaker 3: Now what happened? What happens? I'm curious to see how
Speaker 3: Stefanski and they work the players back in So when
Speaker 3: Kenny Pigott is healthy, when Dylan Gaber is the Dylan
Speaker 3: Gabriel is healthy, what do they do then at that point?
Speaker 3: Does Shador go back down to number four when they're
Speaker 3: back healthy? How does it work?
Speaker 1: Ask yourself what we just talked about. Oh yo, we
Speaker 1: talked about this. When Dylan Gabra was in at any
Speaker 1: point in time in training camp, did he look as
Speaker 1: good as your door look Friday night? At any point
Speaker 1: in time, It's a simple yes or a simple note.
Speaker 3: I don't think so long.
Speaker 1: And before Kenny Pickett got hurt, at any point in time,
Speaker 1: did he look as good and in camp or you
Speaker 1: know mini camp OTA's joint practices, if he made it
Speaker 1: that far because he seemed like he got nick ridly soon,
Speaker 1: did he look that hid?
Speaker 2: I doubt it. So it's tough.
Speaker 3: But listen, they've been playing games, right, They've been playing games,
Speaker 3: the political games. You know what I'm talking about. I
Speaker 3: don't need to address it. The lift in the room,
Speaker 3: you can see it clear as day. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: are they're going to play games? But we're going to
Speaker 3: find out. I think I'm going to see if there's
Speaker 3: still going to be some funny business even despite the
Speaker 3: way he played, Are they still going to play that
Speaker 3: political game. I'm curious. I'm just curious to see. Now
Speaker 3: if they do play Saturday, now, let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Is Dylan Gabriel going to be healthy, Is Kenny Pikett
Speaker 3: gonna be healthy? Are they going to get the chance
Speaker 3: to prove themselves. I'm just I'm really curious what's going
Speaker 3: to happen Saturday.
Speaker 1: NFL insiders said Shader Sanders still stands behind Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 1: for the Browns coaches. Gabriel is ahead of Sanders in
Speaker 1: the eye of the coaching staff, but rarely in training
Speaker 1: camp has that position MaTx what we've seen on the field.
Speaker 1: The quarterback situation remains the story of camp, and Shu
Speaker 1: Sanders is settling in to lead three scoring drives in
Speaker 1: the most extended action of the summer won't make the
Speaker 1: team's consistent stance that Sanders is fourth in a line
Speaker 1: any less perplexing. No reasonable person thinks Sanders will be
Speaker 1: fully ready to lead a team and consistently attack a
Speaker 1: complicated defense three weeks from now. He's shown enough talent
Speaker 1: and growth, however, to make anyone believe he should be
Speaker 1: on the team and has a chance to develop it.
Speaker 1: The starting quality player. Sanders is talented. His throw out
Speaker 1: of the end zone to wide receiver greg Lebardon in
Speaker 1: the preseason opener and is floated down sideline to receiver
Speaker 1: Luke Floria later approved. Until we see Sanders get practice
Speaker 1: reps with the number one offense, we can't believe the
Speaker 1: Browns view him as having much of a shot to
Speaker 1: be the number two when.
Speaker 2: The season begins.
Speaker 1: I agree with what they're saying, but that's my point
Speaker 1: is Okay, you said, have we seen enough?
Speaker 2: Have you seen enough of Dylan?
Speaker 1: What have you seen from Dylan Gabriel to make you
Speaker 1: think he can be number two?
Speaker 3: Did you hear? Did you excuse me who wrote that?
Speaker 2: The Browns athletic and.
Speaker 3: The Browns Athletic insider? Right, so you see shad Or
Speaker 3: do what he does three quarters of football?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Three, I think maybe maybe played well into the fourth quarter? Right, Yes,
Speaker 3: in a live game. You saw him play the way
Speaker 3: he played, and still question if you can do the
Speaker 3: same thing when he has an action starters at his disposal.
Speaker 3: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: My thing is, he says no reasonable person thinks Sanders
Speaker 1: will be fully ready to lead a team and consistently
Speaker 1: attack a complicated NFL defense three weeks from now? What
Speaker 1: about Dylan Gabriel? Has he shown you enough to make
Speaker 1: them believe that three weeks from now he can lead
Speaker 1: this team against a complicated defense? I digress even further.
Speaker 1: Has Kenny Pickett ever shown you that he can lead
Speaker 1: a team against a complicated defense? Because all I know
Speaker 1: is that what I keep hearing is what you're telling
Speaker 1: me what he can't do. Like my coach just said,
Speaker 1: Collein withday will put it. Find something that.
Speaker 2: He can do.
Speaker 1: See you keep telling me what you do or can't do. Well,
Speaker 1: your job as a coach is to put players in
Speaker 1: position and find something that they can do.
Speaker 3: Where's the cant coming from? When we just saw him
Speaker 3: do it. I know it's a small sambo size, it's
Speaker 3: three quarters of football. But everything you said he can't do,
Speaker 3: he just did. Matter of fact, he just did. When
Speaker 3: we already saw him do at Jackson State, he just did.
Speaker 3: When we saw him do at Colorado, we just did.
Speaker 3: Even though it's a small sambaside, Uncle, I played the
Speaker 3: game for a very long time. I played the game
Speaker 3: for a very long time. I'm a receiver. I know
Speaker 3: what it's supposed to look like. I know what it
Speaker 3: looks like when there's a quarterback that's playing in a
Speaker 3: game and he's confident, he's polished his pocket, presence, his mannerisms.
Speaker 3: I know what it should look like. We've seen Kenny
Speaker 3: Pickett with the Steelers. If he was the answer for Cleveland,
Speaker 3: he would have been the answer in Pittsburgh. No disrespect him.
Speaker 2: What was what's the question? You asking?
Speaker 1: What? Because if Kenny Pickett is the answer, If Kenny
Speaker 1: Pickett is the answer, I need to know the question.
Speaker 2: Did he play for the University of Pittsburgh? Yes, I
Speaker 2: don't don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what more. I don't, I don't know
Speaker 3: what more. Listen when you when you when you fill
Speaker 3: out your resume, right, when you fill out your resume? Yes,
Speaker 3: and you going for that job interview. You want to
Speaker 3: put your best foot forward. You want to keep a
Speaker 3: lasting impression. Well the impressions with what we saw Friday
Speaker 3: night from the person they claim is the fourth is
Speaker 3: the fourth string quarterback? Yeah, okay, what do we do
Speaker 3: We built from that on Saturday?
Speaker 2: Well you build from that.
Speaker 1: No, you build from that starting in practice by giving
Speaker 1: him more reps, more quality reps. You don't leave him
Speaker 1: in the position that he was in where he's getting
Speaker 1: a handful of refs with the threes and fours. You
Speaker 1: give him some opportunities with the ones. With the tooths.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you he has to take five six
Speaker 1: reps with the ones, but I'm saying you sprinkle. Maybe
Speaker 1: you give him one or two reps. Maybe you give
Speaker 1: him three or four ref with the twos. I do
Speaker 1: agree with this. Until we see Sanders get practice ref
Speaker 1: with the number one offense, we can't believe that Browns
Speaker 1: view him as having much of a shot to be
Speaker 1: number two when the season began.
Speaker 2: True, I do agree with that statement.
Speaker 1: You're not going from four to two if you for
Speaker 1: a training camp, then all of a sudden the seasons start,
Speaker 1: your number two. They're gonna need to see you with
Speaker 1: the ones and twos to feel comfortable because they got
Speaker 1: to make a decision. And when you make that decision,
Speaker 1: you release somebody. Ain't no guaranteed that you're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to bring them back and put them on your
Speaker 1: practice squad. Somebody might sign them and put them on
Speaker 1: the active roster. So that's the case, Oh Joe, do
Speaker 1: I stay on your practice squad for say twenty five
Speaker 1: to thirty five, or do I go somewhere and get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a real roster spot and make
Speaker 1: almost a million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: So that's the question that you have.
Speaker 1: That's a decision that you make when you release these guys,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's some guys you know. I would
Speaker 1: love to have him to have another year learning our
Speaker 1: system and when we come back next year, having the OTAs,
Speaker 1: the training camp, the season of working the scout team stuff,
Speaker 1: when we come back for OTA, he should be good
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: He should be fully developed and good to go.
Speaker 1: So I don't want people thinking that we're beating Ocho
Speaker 1: and now beating up on Zach Jackson. I agree with
Speaker 1: what he's saying, But my thing, I'm more talking about
Speaker 1: the Browns as a as as an organization, as a
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Are you are you are? Because the fans
Speaker 1: are saying you want us to believe you or are lying?
Speaker 2: Guys? I know, I know, I know what my eyes
Speaker 2: I saw. I know what I saw. I hear what
Speaker 2: you're saying, but.
Speaker 1: I see better than I hear. Y'all keep telling us.
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabral Dylan Gabriel, but we have yet to see him.
Speaker 1: Now everything that I see is that now he's you know,
Speaker 1: she's not better than you?
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 1: For most of the articles that I've been reading it
Speaker 1: eight people can write whatever they want to write, so
Speaker 1: I don't want to put too much emphasis.
Speaker 2: But I haven't seen I.
Speaker 1: Haven't read a whole lot that where they said that
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel is better, has been played, has played better,
Speaker 1: or playing better than young?
Speaker 3: What did What did I tell you not too long ago?
Speaker 3: But how cam Look, I'm not saying those names again
Speaker 3: this time because I don't want to get nobody in
Speaker 3: no trouble. What did I tell you? And then exactly
Speaker 3: what that individual said, who's in there every day that
Speaker 3: plays on the other side of the ball and has
Speaker 3: to see it, exactly what he said way back then,
Speaker 3: we saw it show up, the fact that he's not
Speaker 3: getting first team reps with the ones of the tools
Speaker 3: and still went out there and looked the way he did.
Speaker 3: What does that tell you anybody to begin with?
Speaker 1: Damn the one of the tools, O Joe, he barely
Speaker 1: getting reps at all?
Speaker 3: And then stick, Okay, I'll say no more again, say
Speaker 3: no more so you're not doing him justice in practice,
Speaker 3: but still showed up in the game and looked the
Speaker 3: part and look like that. What does that say? But
Speaker 3: we gonna see Saturday, And I hope Delan Gabriel gets
Speaker 3: his opportunity because I would love to see what he
Speaker 3: does and then what he gives that offense and that
Speaker 3: that coach of staff that believes in him. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: he gets a fair shot. I'm hoping he does. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping he does. I would love to see it. I
Speaker 3: would love to see it. I know he's a competitor.
Speaker 3: He was great at organ he was really good. So
Speaker 3: I'm all, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's let the guy like.
Speaker 1: It's like when you in that situation, the guy flashes normally,
Speaker 1: when guys flashes in camp. Oh, Joe, you and I
Speaker 1: both played the NFL for a long time. We both
Speaker 1: played at a high level every team that I've been on,
Speaker 1: when a guy flashes in practice, a guy flashes in
Speaker 1: the game, he gets he gets to move up, and
Speaker 1: he gets meaning for reps, more meaningful reps, meaning he's
Speaker 1: no longer on the third or fourth. They don't sneak
Speaker 1: some reps in with the two's maybe they'll give him
Speaker 1: one or two shots with the ones. That's normally how
Speaker 1: it works. They're not so setting their ways that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we just see this guy as It's kind of like TD.
Speaker 2: I gave private example. TD was.
Speaker 1: TD was a sixth round draft pick. TV was probably
Speaker 1: like the fifth or the sixth running back. But every
Speaker 1: day he made that play on kickoff, and every day
Speaker 1: you saw TV get a little better. They gave him
Speaker 1: a little bit more reps, and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he go from six to five, from five to four,
Speaker 1: four to two after the first game of the season,
Speaker 1: TD one. Normally, that's how it plays out. Guys show
Speaker 1: you in the game, because when guys flashing practice O Joe,
Speaker 1: you're thinking to yourself, I wonder if he do that
Speaker 1: in the game. Hell, coach, put his ads in the game.
Speaker 1: Let's see what we could do that. That's normally how
Speaker 1: it happened. Wade Phillips, our defensive coordinator, That's how I
Speaker 1: got in the game. He said, Dan put his ass
Speaker 1: in the game. Let's see if they can cover it,
Speaker 1: because we can't. Damn Like, Okay, they put my ass
Speaker 1: in the game. Well, shr Door, I think Shaudor showed
Speaker 1: you something that he deserve it. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: needs to do you need to implement him as the
Speaker 1: starter the number one.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, I didn't. We didn't say that.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're saying. But I think he's shown
Speaker 1: you enough. Friday just says, you know what, We might
Speaker 1: need to give him some more quality reps with guys
Speaker 1: that's going to be playing on Sunday, and let's see
Speaker 1: him facing the number one defense Miles Garrett, those guys
Speaker 1: over there. But let's give him Jerry Judy, Let's give
Speaker 1: him in Djoku. Let's see if he can replicate some
Speaker 1: of that what he did on Friday with the ones today.
Speaker 1: That's all we're saying.
Speaker 3: I can I say one more thing, go ahead. If
Speaker 3: you can do what he did without getting the practice
Speaker 3: reps in a game without the number ones around him,
Speaker 3: things only get easier when you have the ones at
Speaker 3: your disposal that are better at the position Cedric Tillman
Speaker 3: and Joku, Jerry ju. It only becomes easier, Uncle, It
Speaker 3: doesn't get it didn't get more difficult now once you're
Speaker 3: playing against the team that scheme for you and disguises
Speaker 3: and does all the all the stuff, you know, the
Speaker 3: game planning for you. Okay, that's different. Then you just
Speaker 3: have to process a little bit faster. That's all They
Speaker 3: line up and they just go.
Speaker 2: That's exactly how it is.
Speaker 1: But oo, you get better at something by doing sad
Speaker 1: things exactly.
Speaker 3: Hear what you just said. You get better something by
Speaker 3: doing sad thing. But he wasn't doing sad thing because
Speaker 3: he wasn't getting and still look the way he did.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 3: They don't do it that way. They that organization, they
Speaker 3: don't view it that way. How I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I'm guessing in the in the in
Speaker 3: the direction in which they're going, I'm hoping they're right.
Speaker 3: They haven't been right in the thirty five quarterback that
Speaker 3: they tried previously. Or maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: No, I just think I do believe that he's earned
Speaker 1: the right to get quality reps with the ones and twos.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you implement him that now he's
Speaker 1: QB one. I'm not saying it's QB two maybe, but
Speaker 1: I think he's earned that opportunity.
Speaker 3: I know one thing. I know one thing. They better
Speaker 3: put a statue of Andrew Berry outside that god damn stadium. Yeah,
Speaker 3: tell you that. I listen. I can already foresee how
Speaker 3: it's gonna go. I already know how it's gonna go.
Speaker 3: I I can already see it. They gonna continue to play,
Speaker 3: continue to play, continue to play, put everybody in front
Speaker 3: of him, continue to play. And then when this opportunity
Speaker 3: presents itself, like it did because of injury, he looked
Speaker 3: a certain way. You can't deny it. You can't deny it.
Speaker 3: No matter what you try to do, you can't deny it.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe and Cleveland doing this.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very
Speaker 1: road he took to avoid it. Sometimes you might they
Speaker 1: might even have their quarterback even though they tried to
Speaker 1: avoid giving him the unity. Come on, man, on the
Speaker 1: very road you took to avoid it, you found your destiny.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not saying I'm general manager. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm a player personnel director. I just know that
Speaker 1: when guys flash go back to Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: They kept four quarterbacks that year.
Speaker 1: Coach Belichick said that he saw something in Tom that said,
Speaker 1: if he got more of an opportunity, he might be okay.
Speaker 1: He didn't know he was gonna be this hell, if
Speaker 1: he knew he was gonna be that, somebody would have
Speaker 1: taken him in the the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: But he flashed enough guys, you know, a late round pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: like he showed something. He just sometimes sometimes you just
Speaker 1: need time. Sometimes you need more opportunity, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: looking at Trey Lance, Trey lamps like he needed time, time.
Speaker 2: Which the forty nine ers didn't have. The forty nine
Speaker 2: ers are on the clock.
Speaker 1: They got to win now with the roster that they have,
Speaker 1: they're not in rebuild. Well, the Cleveland what do you are?
Speaker 1: I mean, you just gave a guy one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. He's under the assumption now he played
Speaker 1: it both ways. You know, I want out y'all not winning?
Speaker 1: Got the money? Hey, But what y'all what are y'all doing?
Speaker 1: Are y'all in rebuild or you're trying to win? Because
Speaker 1: y'all see who is in y'all division? Quarterbacks Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow. Now, Lamar Jackson is twenty seven, twenty eight,
Speaker 1: he got he got another five to ten years in Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow might be a you're younger than Lamar. He's
Speaker 1: got another five to ten years in Cincinnati. Well, while
Speaker 1: y'all playing musical chairs with quarterbacks, they've identified their guy,
Speaker 1: uh and he's going to be there for the almost
Speaker 1: a decade. You're not beating a team that has an
Speaker 1: established quarterback playing musical chairs with quarterback.
Speaker 3: No, uh, not at all, not at all. I listen.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's exciting. It's exciting. And listen even
Speaker 3: as a as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player
Speaker 3: at heart, it's it's enjoyable to be talking about the Brown.
Speaker 3: It's enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: It's exciting, it's exciting for for for Brown fans. I mean,
Speaker 3: when's the last time you had a player of this magnitude,
Speaker 3: who's a rookie that has you guys in the national
Speaker 3: spot like that this right at all at all times.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, you gotta go back to Johnny football.
Speaker 3: Oh, hey boy, Johnny boy, Johnny was special. Way now
Speaker 3: the Texas him Johnny with special brack. You were special.
Speaker 1: So it's, uh, we'll we'll see. It'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see when they go out to practice today. I mean
Speaker 1: to excuse me today, tomorrow, what comes back? What type
Speaker 1: of reps uh did should do or get? Did he
Speaker 1: get rep with the ones? Did he get a rep
Speaker 1: in two with the ones? Did he get anything with
Speaker 1: the two's or was he back relegated to be in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback and getting one rep with the with
Speaker 1: the Fords or no reps or just getting sidework. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be the tail that that's gonna tell us, so Joe,
Speaker 1: because what they're talking and and and what's actually happening,
Speaker 1: we'll find out. We'll find out, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: they do well how they played this thing out on
Speaker 1: Saturday when they play the game. Teams are reportedly monitoring
Speaker 1: Tyreek for potential trade. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, I've
Speaker 1: talked to a few teams who are at least monitored
Speaker 1: his future a little bit. Could he be a potential
Speaker 1: trade target? Now? I know Dolphins earlier this summers were
Speaker 1: telling teams, no, we're not trading Tyreek Hill, but they
Speaker 1: just wonder is he going to be available? It could
Speaker 1: be wished for thinking maybe they want him to be available,
Speaker 1: but he's a player. When I bring up the teams, hey,
Speaker 1: who's sort of a trade target you're watching. They bring
Speaker 1: up Tyreek Hill, so we'll see. He's a big option
Speaker 1: for tour and they would be a major move if
Speaker 1: they did move a well a move away from him. Yes, so, Joe,
Speaker 1: are they will? They should? They your hometown team you
Speaker 1: grew up watching. Trade Tyreek Hughes. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: You want a chance to compete in the AFSE East
Speaker 3: against the Buffalo Bills. You going a chan You take
Speaker 3: away one of the most dynamic weapons in the NFL?
Speaker 3: Are you serious? I love h Han, I love Wadle.
Speaker 3: They have some great.
Speaker 1: Water got nicked in Friday's practice, so he didn't play that.
Speaker 3: They have some great receivers also on that squad, but
Speaker 3: we talked about one of the greatest receivers they ever played,
Speaker 3: who is still very viable in one of the best
Speaker 3: in the game top five. I don't care about that
Speaker 3: goddamn down season. Come on now, the fastest still in
Speaker 3: the NFL. We talk about trading them, not that that
Speaker 3: makes no sense logically. If you're serious about winning, I
Speaker 3: need all hands on deck, the best weapons I can
Speaker 3: have too has that regardless of their issues personally, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not there to like you. Everybody's not going to
Speaker 3: get along. We come into camp with one goal, one
Speaker 3: goal in mind to win games and hopefully compete for them.
Speaker 3: Lombardi in San Francisco. This ain't no goddamn kom by
Speaker 3: y'all moment. What are we talking about? You want your
Speaker 3: best players on your team offensively and defensively so you
Speaker 3: can go out there compete on Sundays at one o'clock.
Speaker 3: You don't trade them away, not when they're still this good.
Speaker 3: What sense does that make?
Speaker 1: I think a lot is predicated on tools health. He
Speaker 1: gets nicked again, they're gonna move.
Speaker 3: On how they just painted him last year. If Tour
Speaker 3: gets hurt, they're gonna go okay, you think so? M hmm,
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wait, whoa wait a minute, I'm slow down,
Speaker 3: Wait slop, come on, n wait a minute. I don't
Speaker 3: want to help me understand that, because if Tour gets hurt,
Speaker 3: right wait, stay with me real quick. If it gets
Speaker 3: hurt Zach Wilson comes in, Why would you take that
Speaker 3: weapon away from Zach Wilson, who is also a service quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to hurt himself. You know, with
Speaker 1: with loaded weapons in the house, you gotta be careful
Speaker 1: with kids. That don't know how to handle them. Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson don't know what to do with that. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing, oh Joe, when people name keeps coming up
Speaker 1: his trade target, somebody talking, he said that Garremy Fola
Speaker 1: just said that basically, every time he reached out for
Speaker 1: a name, who should be monitoring why everybody keep reaching
Speaker 1: in Tyreek Hill's name?
Speaker 2: You know why?
Speaker 1: They they he had a down year. They didn't appreciate
Speaker 1: how he handled the end of the year, which I
Speaker 1: told you they were gonna be unhappy with that because
Speaker 1: what he got.
Speaker 2: On his chest.
Speaker 1: So Joe, he got that captain suck you you do
Speaker 1: things a little different than that a normal person. So
Speaker 1: even when you don't feel like, oh yo, sometimes you
Speaker 1: got to suck it up, like hey man, man, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't en't got no chance, man, we din thirty
Speaker 1: one to nothing at the start of the board. You
Speaker 1: can't come out. You got to go down with the shimp.
Speaker 1: They didn't like how he handled that. There are some
Speaker 1: other things that's that was going on. They didn't like how,
Speaker 1: oh Joe, he got off to a bad start. Remember
Speaker 1: the first game of the season, the police, you know,
Speaker 1: he coming through the States, are you coming into the stadium.
Speaker 1: You know got a Coles cambell and handcuffs. They got
Speaker 1: John neu Smith, you know they it's just like.
Speaker 2: Is this too much? And so.
Speaker 1: I do believe the Dolphins had had had mentioned that
Speaker 1: had potentially dangled him out there.
Speaker 3: Listen, you could dangle all you want. You can them
Speaker 3: like you can dangle them like his missiletoe. Ye and
Speaker 3: me and somebody somebody will come along show up. One
Speaker 3: of the top five threats in the NFL from an
Speaker 3: offensive offensive weapons. That's a dream come true. Allowing him
Speaker 3: to be available. What did we talk about some of
Speaker 3: the team that's on the verge of you know what,
Speaker 3: if we can add this to our offense, that gives
Speaker 3: us another weapon, that gives another chance to get that
Speaker 3: much better. Man, come on, man, please please, I can
Speaker 3: understand if he has slowed down or he's not the
Speaker 3: same Tyreek he used to be. Man, I just watched
Speaker 3: young Bull run. Goddamn one, he can't even know track
Speaker 3: run up. He's a football player, someone that is fast
Speaker 3: as he is, that is dynamic as he is on
Speaker 3: the field on Sundays, even when he loses step in
Speaker 3: when he's thirty five. He's still fasten everybody else. But
Speaker 3: you know what, we're gonna sing him out there for
Speaker 3: trade talks.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: He makes our offense that much easier. He makes it
Speaker 3: easy for Wadle, he makes it easy for Tour, He
Speaker 3: makes it easy for eight Cham Why because they always
Speaker 3: got to have somebody on the top of that young
Speaker 3: bull both ways he opens, Huh, this is what we
Speaker 3: want to trade. Come on, man, stop playing. We want
Speaker 3: a chance to be able to beat the Bills. We
Speaker 3: want who give us our best chance to beat the Bills? Well,
Speaker 3: maybe just the most dynamic receiver of all time in
Speaker 3: the history of the game that happens to be on
Speaker 3: our team. Hell, we can't even beat Josh Shadow. Now
Speaker 3: we talk about trading away what? Man? Stop playing? What
Speaker 3: are we talking about? Maybe maybe maybe the talks, or
Speaker 3: maybe this is getting to get in line. Maybe this
Speaker 3: should get him to stop some of the shenanigans he doing.
Speaker 3: You know, take away his personality? Why would you do that?
Speaker 3: Don't take away what makes him him? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Anytime they're talks like that, unk, you
Speaker 3: know it comes from where I know that most of
Speaker 3: the time to come from in the house. The call
Speaker 3: is always coming from in the house.
Speaker 2: Jeremy said, but he's a player.
Speaker 1: When I bring up to teams, hey, who is sort
Speaker 1: of a trade target you're watching, they bring up Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: So no matter the team, when he's like, man, who
Speaker 1: you're watching, who you think might get traded? Everybody think
Speaker 1: it the same way.
Speaker 3: If we talk about getting traded, we'll be waiting on.
Speaker 3: What are we waiting on? What are we waiting on?
Speaker 3: Why are we waiting for the season to start the trading?
Speaker 3: If that was the point, Hey, you could have got
Speaker 3: rid him last year in the off season, during the draft,
Speaker 3: the season get ready to start. Now he hadn't been
Speaker 3: through training camp playing where he's not playing preseason games.
Speaker 3: You could let him go already. So what's the point
Speaker 3: of the conversation being brought up before the season even started.
Speaker 3: That makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know there's been some trade deadlines. I mean,
Speaker 1: some guys right at the trade deadline get moved.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing. The right team gonna get him.
Speaker 3: Hell I wouldn't. Don't don't be surprised to end up
Speaker 3: back in Kansas City. Yeah, yeah, don't don't be surprised.
Speaker 3: You see what they got, Tyree, she writes, And what's
Speaker 3: my dog name? It was with Arizona Man.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hollywood, come on man, stop playing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, play around if you want to. You think
Speaker 3: you think Mahomes won't be up there, mister Reed, mister
Speaker 3: hunt Man going and get ten and bring him on
Speaker 3: back over here. Yeah, okay, and kills it. But y'all
Speaker 3: want to play.
Speaker 1: They got Robert Tanya too. Yeah, he was really good
Speaker 1: at Green Bay until.
Speaker 2: He hurted me.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Hollywood Brown probably come on down, you know,
Speaker 3: Brown heat from the crib. I can see that trade.
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing this out there hypothetically. Oh you want
Speaker 3: to trade? Okay, Yeah, we're seeing Hollywood Brown down to Miami.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna exchange speed for speed.
Speaker 1: That's a I mean, Hollywood. They making the kind of
Speaker 1: money Tyreek is thirty million, Hollywood Brown might be waking.
Speaker 2: Five six uh.
Speaker 1: Dolphin general manager Chris Greer said in April before the
Speaker 1: draft that he had no intentions of dealing Tyreek, but
Speaker 1: an offer including two first round picks would be enticing.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna give up that. Nobody gonna give up on
Speaker 1: two first round picks for no receiver, and and and
Speaker 1: playing got to pay it. No, no, now, maybe a second,
Speaker 1: maybe a second, maybe a third and the fifth.
Speaker 2: Howld Tyreek thirty thirty one.
Speaker 3: Is a player we can use and worry about the
Speaker 3: age factor.
Speaker 2: I don't what teams do.
Speaker 1: Listen, oh Joe, you know they put they put expiration
Speaker 1: dates on everything.
Speaker 3: They can do that, but this expiration Listen, the expiration
Speaker 3: date on that one is a little different than everybody else.
Speaker 3: I know, place through the games you're gonna win stupid prizes.
Speaker 2: I just don't believe he's going for two first round picks.
Speaker 1: I think if they made I believe, had they made
Speaker 1: it more palatable, I believe they traded him the soft season.
Speaker 3: If they're like, okay, that would have made more sense.
Speaker 3: It is off season draft, yes, right now, we look
Speaker 3: it up before the season starts.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I mean Davante went for two first rounders what four
Speaker 1: years ago? But how it was Davante Davonte was what
Speaker 1: twenty seven then? Mhm, So it's gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 1: extremely interesting. Uh, he was twenty eight at a time
Speaker 1: he thirty two. Okay, Nah, only a quarterback thirty one
Speaker 1: can go for two first riders you'll trade. You'll trade
Speaker 1: two first riders for Lamar, You'll trade two first riders
Speaker 1: for Mahome. Hell, you give up three first rounders for those,
Speaker 1: Josh Allens, Joe Berh. There are certain guys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys. I think Mahomes
Speaker 1: will be thirty his birthday, right, But I don't think
Speaker 1: any of those guys are thirty currently.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how this season starts, because
Speaker 1: a lot of time is how to see how's the
Speaker 1: season going. Ojoe, we ain't got no chance for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: We got a chance for the playoffs. Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and get some draft capital, O Joe, Let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and get this thirty thirty one, thirty thirty one million dollars.
Speaker 3: Uh, Yes, okay, I mean I like it from from
Speaker 3: from that standpoint, I understand it.
Speaker 2: They that's how they think.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I know the business side of it because if you're
Speaker 3: not using the thirty one thirty one million dollar receiver
Speaker 3: the right way, you're paying thirty one for a reason
Speaker 3: not using them in the man in which he's making
Speaker 3: thirty one for a reason. Well, that's on you.
Speaker 1: That's on you, Oh Joe. The Chargers have Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: doing running back drills. You've got to check out this
Speaker 1: video courtesy of Nate Ghanci. God see God's me.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: That's a that's something.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor putting together, because that's that's that's that's something
Speaker 1: you would do.
Speaker 3: Have everybody are doing doing running back drills.
Speaker 2: Going through the garlet.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know sometimes you know, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you come through, Oh yoe, you know they you know
Speaker 1: you're working on your grip. They're gonna tug, they gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: but normally they don't have the guy getting abof the
Speaker 1: ground like the running but like a running back, like
Speaker 1: a running back would.
Speaker 3: Now you go.
Speaker 1: But but that's the only thing. I mean, the guys,
Speaker 1: the guys, you know, guy's tugged. You know, you get
Speaker 1: the ball. You're not used to carrying the football, hey,
Speaker 1: he said, making sure you keep it secure. Uh, But
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, normally they do it a
Speaker 1: different way than that. But hey, Jim has his way
Speaker 1: of doing things and it's kind of served him well
Speaker 1: because he's one and it didn't take him long to
Speaker 1: start winning once he got there.
Speaker 2: So, uh, I don't have any problem. And man, you.
Speaker 3: Got me, hot man, Now you got me, hot man.
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting here thinking about it.
Speaker 2: What you hot for?
Speaker 3: I'm talking about? Talk about trading Tyreek? Man, that's almost
Speaker 3: as ridiculous as saying, you know.
Speaker 1: What they traded random? Are they traded tarrl Owens? They
Speaker 1: traded James Laughton. So now I'm will ask you again.
Speaker 1: Now you tell me which one of those three guys
Speaker 1: Tyreek is better than? Right now, they cut Jerry Rice.
Speaker 1: Now you tell me with one of the four guys
Speaker 1: I named, Tyreek's better than.
Speaker 3: I'm still mad, still mad? Now have you right every
Speaker 3: right to be mad? Because I'm thinking about my Dolphins.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about my Dolphins. Listen in us, in us
Speaker 3: having a chance for those that say, oh you a
Speaker 3: bangl blah blah blah Manater. I was born at Jackson
Speaker 3: Memorial Hospital. I was born at Jackson Momhorial Hospital right
Speaker 3: there over town, at three oh eight on Jerry in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight. Therefore, I grew up watching the Dolphins,
Speaker 3: Dan Marinozanka, Mark Duper. So therefore that is where my
Speaker 3: love and passion enthusiasm being a dolphin fan comes from.
Speaker 3: So the fact that he gives us our best chance
Speaker 3: to compete offensively in the ASC's against an animal that
Speaker 3: they have down there in Buffalo, New York, by the
Speaker 3: name of Josh.
Speaker 2: Allen up there. But yeah, we know you going.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, what are we What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Are we even trying?
Speaker 1: I mean down there, he'd be playing the Cuba. I said,
Speaker 1: if people down he'd be in Cuba. But you'd answer
Speaker 1: my question, o Jo, I asked you. I gave you
Speaker 1: some names. I said, they cut Jerry, they traded Randy,
Speaker 1: They traded James Lofton, they traded t O. I just
Speaker 1: gave you four names. I said, now, which one TiO
Speaker 1: better than they cut Jerry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that's just the bensiness.
Speaker 2: Repeat what I just said.
Speaker 3: You said they cut Randy, they cut too.
Speaker 1: They traded. They traded Randy first, they trade. Remember they
Speaker 1: traded Randy to Oakland. Oakland traded him to uh to Know,
Speaker 1: traded him to New England. New England traded him back
Speaker 1: to Minnesota. Minnesota. I think Minnesota released I mean he
Speaker 1: went to Tennessee and then he ended up and then
Speaker 1: he ended up in with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: Damn, man, I just don't say it's icky business owns God,
Speaker 3: just just just think just thinking about that, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, well you if you think about it. T
Speaker 1: O t O was a free agent and there was
Speaker 1: some mix up with the paper because he was supposed
Speaker 1: to go to Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Oh he won't going to Baltimore. Oh no, remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember that conversation. Oh he won't going to Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I mean his name was kind of on
Speaker 1: the contract, but that's neither heard. We'll move over to that.
Speaker 1: And then he goes to Philly. We saw what happened
Speaker 1: to Philly. Phil Philly released him. He goes to Dallas.
Speaker 1: He got released the Dallas. So we're talking about bro Cowboy.
Speaker 2: You know the Cowboys released image, right they did.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's nature of the business. It's grimy. That's why
Speaker 3: you got to get as much as you can while
Speaker 3: you're in it.
Speaker 1: Yes, you get no, you get no qualm from your
Speaker 1: boss because we both we both have been.
Speaker 2: On the ends and we know how this thing works. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you when you when you play a professional sport,
Speaker 1: money and memories.
Speaker 2: You try to gather as much of both of you
Speaker 2: can because it's gonna end here at some point.
Speaker 3: It's it's a small window of your life. The NFL.
Speaker 3: It stands not for long because it's a small opportunity.
Speaker 3: And the years go by so fast. Huh. You look up,
Speaker 3: you be like, well, god, damn, I mean.
Speaker 2: You're seven already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yep, that's why you got to You got
Speaker 3: to protect your chicken. But the fund. But at that ride, man,
Speaker 3: it goes by so fast like a roller coaster, you
Speaker 3: don't even realize it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll was asked today about Geno smith obscene gesture
Speaker 1: as he defended his quarter. He said, did you see
Speaker 1: the sign? Did you see what the sign said? Next question, well,
Speaker 1: we know what the sign said. Bigger bus Gino or
Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell with Gino and Max Crosby over reacting.
Speaker 3: Hey, I mean I was. That's a tough one. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say overreacted. Boom, you're talking trashing me. You gotta
Speaker 3: sign right in my face all I've done for you.
Speaker 3: I'm back here in Seattle, and that's what you think
Speaker 3: of me. I laid my life up. The lineage your
Speaker 3: quarterback number one for a couple of years. You know,
Speaker 3: things didn't workout, and that's how you think of me.
Speaker 3: I'm coming back. I'm coming back with grace. I love you.
Speaker 3: I did everything I could for you as a Seahawk,
Speaker 3: and that's how you feel. Now you feel I'm a
Speaker 3: bus What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 3: If anything, you should be applauding me. Clap for me.
Speaker 3: I know as a quarterback number one, you hold me
Speaker 3: to a standard as is in comparison to some of
Speaker 3: the greats. I wasn't Tom Brady, I wasn't Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3: But I've done all I could and laid it on
Speaker 3: the line for you week in and week out.
Speaker 1: Twelve Well cool, it's not even It's not even close
Speaker 1: to being true. Now, if Geno Smith was Ryan Leaf,
Speaker 1: have a conversation about him, Ginos I mean him or JaMarcus.
Speaker 3: Don't do that as a fan, like, come on, man, that's.
Speaker 2: Not Gino was comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: He threw a career high thirty touchdown lead the league
Speaker 1: and completion percentage, and earned back to back Pro Bowls. So,
Speaker 1: by no stretch of their imagination, is Geno Smith a bus?
Speaker 3: No but I mean, listen, fans do certain things and
Speaker 3: get up on of your skin. You know, you leave
Speaker 3: a situation most of the time and you come back.
Speaker 3: Some people let their true feelings show on how they
Speaker 3: really feel about you. Now, I understand your look. You
Speaker 3: might be to the Seahawks, but all I've done. This
Speaker 3: is how you really feel about me truthfully, now that
Speaker 3: I'm not here. Even if you yes, man, don't don't
Speaker 3: do me like that. Yes, don't do me like that.
Speaker 3: You mean I dated you for for for four five, six,
Speaker 3: six years and now that I'm going Wait, this is
Speaker 3: how you truly feel about me now that I'm no
Speaker 3: longer around because I'm a no balance. Yes, that hurts,
Speaker 3: that stings. So I can understand where the middle finger
Speaker 3: came from. I understand, like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3: I sacrifice you to make you happy. On Sundays at
Speaker 3: one o'clock, I was throwing touchdown the DK and Tyler
Speaker 3: locket to make you happy, no off fan.
Speaker 2: I A lot of players play for.
Speaker 1: Teammates, respect, coaches, trust, fans, appreciation. I guess you didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate me as much much as I thought you did,
Speaker 1: So it does hurt when you put it what you
Speaker 1: when you put what you put into it. Lebron might
Speaker 1: not ever meant this, but it hurt him going back
Speaker 1: to Cleveland, considering what he gave him.
Speaker 2: Here. He left.
Speaker 1: But Braun, I did let her alive for you. I
Speaker 1: gave you seven great years, did all I could, and
Speaker 1: then you burn my jersey. You say all these things
Speaker 1: about Geno's like.
Speaker 2: I had to.
Speaker 1: I resurrected my career in Seattle. All I wanted was
Speaker 1: to be appreciated. I know my teammates respected me. I
Speaker 1: know my coaches trusted me. Does when you put when
Speaker 1: you put a lot into something, Ah grandy, just say
Speaker 1: all the time, boy, I hate an ungrateful person. That
Speaker 1: irks me too. That irks me too. I hate ungratefulness.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: We see out of the best. Sometimes you better be
Speaker 1: careful what you wish for. You thought you. I guess
Speaker 1: you that like uh you that like uh gino, Well,
Speaker 1: ain't no, ain't no, ain't no thing that you're getting.
Speaker 2: What's this came from? Uh Minnesota? Don uh say, I'm
Speaker 2: Donald ain't no guarantee he ain't got the weapons that
Speaker 2: he had in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: He ain't got no jedile he ain't got no Adison,
Speaker 1: he ain't got Hawkinson, he ain't got Aaron Jones, and
Speaker 1: he ain't got Kevin O'Connor. Call him plays he got
Speaker 1: and we saw the We saw the last two games, right, did.
Speaker 2: You see the last two games?
Speaker 3: You got jed?
Speaker 2: Oh? So what oo? What was the craziest sign you saw?
Speaker 2: The player? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, that's a good one. On that's that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. I enjoyed those environments too, Uncle, I,
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. The craziest sign probably the old the
Speaker 3: old Oho instead of sink, probably stinko. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: most of the time. And then it's so funny. They
Speaker 3: would have their signs, they would have their signs, and
Speaker 3: I would talk trash back and you know, walk walk
Speaker 3: up to the stands and.
Speaker 2: Talk, didn't you sign one of their signs?
Speaker 3: Didn't you sign somebody a sign? Time and listen And
Speaker 3: they always say the same thing, Listen, we do this
Speaker 3: because we love you. It had nothing for the team,
Speaker 3: but you want our favorites. And everybody say the same thing.
Speaker 3: They don't really mean it, but they don't have a
Speaker 3: choice but to go against me, because if.
Speaker 2: You really did suck.
Speaker 1: Nobody says the guy that they're getting in the game,
Speaker 1: you suck, right, it's all of the players that's really good.
Speaker 1: It sucked, which means you don't. You don't actually suck.
Speaker 1: That means you're very very good. Ain't nobody doing Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's back up? They Brady? They're not boy, they're not
Speaker 1: boring to Peyton Man, the guy that I guarantee you
Speaker 1: if if the quarterback. I mean, look, they're gonna blue
Speaker 1: the poling team. But the loudest boos. Let's just say
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wasn't first, he was third. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: looking for Brady because they want to boo him. You
Speaker 1: bow greatness.
Speaker 2: About it.
Speaker 3: I love playing in hostile and I love love. I
Speaker 3: couldn't it's playing at home and cool. That's fun. But
Speaker 3: I like cursing and talking trash and all that that did.
Speaker 3: That was just I was so comfortable being uncomfortable in
Speaker 3: hostile environments.
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, y'all rival, y'all rival was was Cleveland because
Speaker 1: remember when Sam Whye you got on the phone and said,
Speaker 1: don't throw batteries. You live in Cincinnati, you don't live
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Yeah, you got that that was. That was
Speaker 1: you guys, because you're both in the Ohio, Ohio. So
Speaker 1: so it's uh uh, it's a it's a natural it's
Speaker 1: a natural rivalry. I mean, look, there was no love
Speaker 1: lost in it. Before they renamed it the a f
Speaker 1: C North, it was the a f C Central. I
Speaker 1: think it was still the a f C Central when
Speaker 1: you got in.
Speaker 2: They changed it.
Speaker 1: Like in oh two they went to the food for
Speaker 1: the eight the uh uh the four team divisions because
Speaker 1: it used to be Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, uh, Baltimore, Tennessee
Speaker 1: and Jacksonville. We were all in one division on jes
Speaker 1: we all we were all in one division and then
Speaker 1: they you know, they split it up and then they
Speaker 1: took Jacksonville in Tennessee and put them in the South.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, we used to be in Seattle, used to be
Speaker 1: in the AFC West. Then they went to the NFC West,
Speaker 1: but it states, uh the Chargers, the Raiders us in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. But uh, like when you got like the
Speaker 1: the Raiders, you know, obviously the Raiders and and it
Speaker 1: was our biggest rivals because we came in. They came
Speaker 1: in like the AFL together the Chiefs, but it's different player.
Speaker 1: It's definitely different playing on the road than at home.
Speaker 1: You feel it as you're driving in. Everybody's already tailgating
Speaker 1: and them you know what I'm saying, Oh Joe, they
Speaker 1: already tailgating, and they they do it. They throw in
Speaker 1: the football. They got their drinking beer already, Like how
Speaker 1: the hell y'all drinking beer at nine o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: But they, you know, they getting their things. They getting there,
Speaker 1: they grilling. Uh Cleveland, Cleveland fans, I will give them
Speaker 1: credit for as little as they've won in the last
Speaker 1: thirty plus years, them mofos show over.
Speaker 2: I ain't I ain't never look.
Speaker 1: I can understand had they went to the AFC Championship
Speaker 1: Game or they went to the Super Bowl, and even
Speaker 1: if they lost, but the way they show up for
Speaker 1: their team to not win more than what they do,
Speaker 1: I ain't seen nothing like it. Ain't no way. I'm anicole.
Speaker 1: Let alone get up and fourteen is going forour and
Speaker 1: four and thirteen, four and twelve.
Speaker 3: Oh I had I had a special relationship with those
Speaker 3: Cleveland fans, especially Big Dog. I'm not sure what Big
Speaker 3: Dog is at this point. Every time I do I'm
Speaker 3: on here and we talk about Cleveland. I always curious
Speaker 3: how Big Dog is doing everyone that's sat in that.
Speaker 3: I think that might be the North the North end zone.
Speaker 3: They showed such love in a hostile way, and I
Speaker 3: made sure to show that love back, even though obviously
Speaker 3: they're they're the opposing fans. But I've always showed them respect.
Speaker 3: They've always showed me respect, and they knew understood when
Speaker 3: it was game time. When it's game time, man, forget
Speaker 3: you were gon. We're gonna have some fun. And I remember,
Speaker 3: I remember getting permissioned. I think I might be the
Speaker 3: only person that's done that and been accepting of that.
Speaker 3: Is when I did. I leaped in the dog pound.
Speaker 3: Remember remember when I jumped in the dog pound. So
Speaker 3: I asked a big dogs before the game start, I said, listen,
Speaker 3: if I happened to on this end, I want to
Speaker 3: jump to you. No disrespect, but let me jump to you.
Speaker 3: And he said, yeah, well come on and do it
Speaker 3: and long behold.
Speaker 2: You know he one person, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Big dog, Yeah, one part the big big man, big man.
Speaker 2: But there's more people in the.
Speaker 3: Listen. I scored on that end and I looked for
Speaker 3: him and I saw him I jumped right to him.
Speaker 3: Everybody else around, man, I smelled like being to hold
Speaker 3: the rest of the game, it did.
Speaker 2: They shove your hands, but listen, that was he.
Speaker 3: That was a great moment for me. Man, that was
Speaker 3: a great moment Cleveland Brown.
Speaker 2: Yeah you you you y for them. It was awesome.