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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: six five. We are part of the Action Network. I

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Speaker 1: am Chad Millman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. Listen,

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Speaker 1: we are less than a week removed from the glorious,

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Speaker 1: record setting historic NFL Draft. There were hits, there were misses,

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Speaker 1: a massive surprise, at least a massive surprise to everyone

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Speaker 1: except our guest today, which we will get to. Our

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Speaker 1: guests somehow predicted this exact outcome for this player nearly

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Speaker 1: a month ago. And of course we have some follow

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Speaker 1: ups on our bets from last week. But first let's

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Speaker 1: bring in my co host, my companion, my compadre might

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Speaker 1: be professional better. Simon Hunter ed.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so I'm in h raft Chad, Chad Chat. What

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Speaker 2: a week it was for us as fans of the

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Speaker 2: Eagles and Bears as fans of the draft. Couldn't have

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Speaker 2: been gone better as the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say it was kind of perfect. You know,

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Speaker 1: you sit there and we've talked about this. The Bears

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Speaker 1: have been so bad at everything for so long, like

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Speaker 1: as an organization, as an ownership group, in terms of competence, management, hiring, drafting.

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Speaker 1: The fact Ryan Pauls was able to get out of

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Speaker 1: the position to draft Bryce Young, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: luck being the sort of downstream impact of good planning

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Speaker 1: getting the number one pick, getting Caleb Williams, and then

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Speaker 1: Roma Dunees falling to number nine. Holy fuck, that was insane,

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Speaker 1: totally insane, and Howie pulling a rabbit out of the

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Speaker 1: hat getting Cooper de Jean from Iowa, who everyone freaking loves.

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Speaker 1: We had good We had a good night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and from now on, I'm gonna start calling Howie

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Speaker 2: big Pimp. And I don't know if you saw that clip,

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Speaker 2: absolutely love it. He didn't know what the hell to say,

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Speaker 2: which just so hilarious. He was just so in shock.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he got my number one safety that I

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Speaker 2: really doing anything to get them, so like gave up

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Speaker 2: the jeene. But yeah, pretty incredible. And for you guys,

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Speaker 2: I think I said it two months ago, like if

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Speaker 2: you just go the best quarterback, which you did Williams

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Speaker 2: at one, and then if you get one of these

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Speaker 2: it was a slam dunk of a draft for the Bears,

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Speaker 2: and you did it. I can't believe you guys got Rome.

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Speaker 2: Rome's so good. I love everything about him is like

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Speaker 2: his mental makeup, all of it. He reminds me of

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Speaker 2: a guy that Johnny played with and Mike Evans, like

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Speaker 2: they got that really cool personality type of laid back

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Speaker 2: killers that work really hard. So obviously you want to

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Speaker 2: get Johnny's view on that as well. But yeah, Bears

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Speaker 2: Eagles draft, we're being really huge Homers right now. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: very exciting, Simon.

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Speaker 1: I haven't introduced our very special surprised guest yet. Speaking

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Speaker 1: of speaking of Big Pimpin, I'll get to Johnny Manzel.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for ruining the surprise in one second. Let me

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Speaker 1: just recap real quickly. I forgot he wasn't on screen

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Speaker 1: for everybody. Our Bets from last week. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was the first time since the Super Bowl that we

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Speaker 1: were sort of doing an official best Bets episode. We

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Speaker 1: did pretty well. Like, first of all, congrats to you.

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Speaker 1: You were on Jaden Daniels as the number two overall

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Speaker 1: pick from the time he was at plus money. He

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Speaker 1: closed at minus one thousand, So very nice job, Simon.

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Speaker 1: I know that was something that had been stressing you

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Speaker 1: out for three months. I know it's your livelihood. You

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Speaker 1: nailed it. Very nice job. Other big hits over five

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Speaker 1: two hundred. Nailed it. JJ McCarthy, who everybody was trying

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Speaker 1: number three or number two. You had him at over

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Speaker 1: five and a half in the draft in draft position.

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Speaker 1: Nailed it. Here's where we lost Joe Alt over seven

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Speaker 1: and a half draft position over six trades in the

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Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel. He's coming back for a few reasons.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Number one, he told great stories, had great analysis, not

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Speaker 1: just last week but all throughout the franchise Mode series.

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Speaker 1: There has been some very interesting Heisman news since he

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Speaker 1: was on last week that I know he will have

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Speaker 1: opinions about. We're going to get to that later in

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Speaker 1: the show, but first Johnny Manziel before anybody else in

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Speaker 1: Franchise Mode our series on the Draft, you said Michael

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Speaker 1: Pennix would be a top ten pick. The exact quote was,

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Speaker 1: the biggest steal of the draft will be this guy

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Speaker 1: going anywhere in the top ten. You feel vindicated today, Johnny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't be happier. I think probably the best

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Speaker 4: in the draft. I like him being in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of people in Atlanta right now,

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Speaker 4: and I saw a lot of reactions to the draft

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Speaker 4: that people were like, what is going on? We just

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Speaker 4: paid Kirk Cousins all this money, and now we're going

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Speaker 4: to go spend even more money in our first round

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Speaker 4: pick on another quarterback. I think for Benex this couldn't

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Speaker 4: my initial opinion when I saw the pick was Kirk

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Speaker 4: Cousins is going to have a well of stress this

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Speaker 1: So explain a little bit, Like you were so far

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Speaker 1: ahead of this, you were talking about this late March

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Speaker 1: I think I was in the control room when you

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Speaker 1: that is going to be a different take than anybody

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Speaker 1: else doing any the draft analysis. Hast were you because like,

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Speaker 1: when that stuff happens, and we've talked about this on

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Speaker 1: what the smoke screens are, what the true stories are.

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Speaker 1: You are not known as a draft analyst, so explain

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Speaker 1: to people how you came to that conclusion. Were you

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Speaker 4: You know, the NFL draft every single year has a

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Speaker 4: lot of the same stuff to it. Right, we get

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Speaker 4: you'll hear positive spins throughout the whole way, and then

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Speaker 3: The way his work ethic was, about the way his

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Speaker 4: So for me, I look at it you know, in

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Speaker 1: That's what I was most curious about, because it seemed

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Speaker 4: Here here's the thing that GM that you can tell

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Speaker 4: We don't need another quarterback. I just spend one hundred

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Speaker 4: kind of explaining it and like, this is the kind

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Speaker 4: Like he's going to have to go in and play

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Speaker 4: and be the guy as a first round pick, and

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Speaker 4: the rest of their time there, and you know, when

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Speaker 4: it comes down to it, you know, you lay your

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Speaker 1: So I know Simon wants to follow up, but I

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Speaker 1: just want to let people know you live a luxurious life.

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Speaker 1: You're outside, so if people hear birds chirping, it's just

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Speaker 1: because you're you know, all about it. I don't want

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Speaker 1: people like listening to be like, is something going on

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Speaker 2: Simon, go ahead, Yeah, the alant thing. That's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a huge story, right Chad for probably the next two

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Speaker 1: Well, look, the the story around JJ McCarthy was fascinating,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't have felt more pressure, especially as you're sitting there.

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Speaker 4: and struggle early on, because let's let's face it, he's

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Speaker 4: most likely going to play early and early on. And

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Speaker 4: then you look at McCarthy, you know, a guy who has,

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Speaker 4: you know, a great situation where he's going into maybe

439
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Speaker 4: a little competition throughout the camp, but you know, an

440
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Speaker 4: amazing spot him to be in and then bow Knicks

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Speaker 4: for him to end up being a first round pick,

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Speaker 4: and where he went with a guy like Sean Payton

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Speaker 4: and a team like that. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 4: at the first round and it makes a lot of

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Speaker 4: sense and you can kind of see what these teams

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Speaker 4: were thinking.

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Speaker 3: But it really only takes one guy to find.

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Speaker 4: You and like you and be like he's coming with us,

449
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Speaker 4: exactly like what you saw with in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: So bo Nix is so interesting because if you had said,

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Speaker 1: twelve months ago, built a parlay Jaden Daniels to win

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Speaker 1: the Heisman, bow Knicks and Jaden Daniels to go top

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Speaker 1: fifteen in the draft, you would have made the kind

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Speaker 1: of money that Simon Hunter makes in every single bet

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Speaker 1: that he wins. I mean it was that long shot,

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Speaker 1: that much of a long shot. So bo Nix goes

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Speaker 1: twelve to Sean Payton and everyone is sort of one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred one to go to Atlanta on the morning of

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Speaker 2: the draft.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's insane, yeah, but Bonix goes to Sean Payton,

461
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Speaker 1: goes to the Broncos. It's an overreach by whatever the

462
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Speaker 1: standard is, right, Like, it's all made up currency. However,

463
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Speaker 1: we value players like I've got a grade of him,

464
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Speaker 1: you know, thirty seven to forty two and not me,

465
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Speaker 1: but like a draft analyst will say that he went twelve.

466
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Speaker 1: That's an overreach. Everyone wan's making it up. So Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton likes this. But the very specific question I have

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Speaker 1: for you, Johnny is people got after bon Nicks because

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Speaker 1: his average depth of target is less than four yards

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the yardage came from his receivers

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Speaker 1: on yards after the catch. Explain the difference between the

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Speaker 1: throws you can make in college versus this rose you

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Speaker 1: need to make in the NFL, and why people do

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Speaker 1: not think from what they saw a bon Nicks he

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Speaker 1: has that next level ability.

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Speaker 4: I think what I look at is I remember when

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Speaker 4: I got to the NFL, and there are some throws

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Speaker 4: that you see older vets make look really really effortlessly,

479
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Speaker 4: and throws like an eighteen twenty yard comeback coming back

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Speaker 4: to eighteen ball has to be out down the sideline

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Speaker 4: to where in college these dbs aren't is good to

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Speaker 4: make a break on the ball and pick that ball

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Speaker 4: if it's on the inside a little bit. These throws

484
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Speaker 4: in the NFL need to be placed outside away from this.

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Speaker 4: It's all about leverage, and like you know, I think

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Speaker 4: Sean Payton said it really really well after the draft,

487
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Speaker 4: is that they took a lot of bon Nixes and

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Speaker 4: all the quarterbacks in this draft. They took all their

489
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Speaker 4: bubbles out, their RPOs, all these kind of easy, slick

490
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Speaker 4: throws that you'll see in the college football game that

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Speaker 4: they run at Oregon and a lot of these spread offenses.

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Speaker 4: They took all of those out and they just looked

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Speaker 4: at vertical passing game, which is what the NFL is. Right,

494
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Speaker 4: You're getting into play action, you're pushing the ball down

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Speaker 4: the field, you're trying to get defenders to come up,

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Speaker 4: especially linebackers, and you're trying to you know, create some

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Speaker 4: space in the secondary because of how tight the secondary

498
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Speaker 4: is in the NFL. So Seamp Hayton takes all the bubbles,

499
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Speaker 4: all the stuff out and just looks at vertical passing

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Speaker 4: game and they like bow next the best. And that's

501
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Speaker 4: what it comes down to, Like they need to push

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Speaker 4: the ball down the field and make these throws on

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Speaker 4: time without hitches, knowing where you're going with the football.

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Speaker 4: And that's the biggest thing that I think I look

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Speaker 4: at when I'm evaluating a lot of these guys, Like

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Speaker 4: I saw Penix drop hit his back foot and let

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Speaker 4: the ball go early before guys were out of their

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Speaker 4: breaks with a lot of height, and like you know,

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Speaker 4: you see Caleb Williams do that. The timing, the anticipation

510
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Speaker 4: where the ball needs to be placed. That's something that

511
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Speaker 4: your casual everyday fan, you know, is not going to

512
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Speaker 4: be able to really really see. Sure they know it,

513
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Speaker 4: but it's different than when you get into that film

514
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Speaker 4: room after every day during training camp and they're sitting

515
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Speaker 4: there grilling you every single day.

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Speaker 3: Why is this ball inside? Why is this ball inside?

517
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Speaker 3: Why is it not here? Why are you late? Why'd

518
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Speaker 3: you take that extra hitch right? Why is that ball out?

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Speaker 4: On this paper it says it needs to be out

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Speaker 4: of your hand when back foot hit. Why isn't it

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Speaker 4: Those are the kind of questions that you get grilled on.

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Speaker 4: And when I look at the game, that's the only

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Speaker 4: way that I know how to do it. You know,

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Speaker 4: the only way I know how to do it is

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Speaker 4: having Kyle Shanahan breathe down my fricking neck and wonder

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Speaker 4: why that ball's not out on time? So what I

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Speaker 4: look at in the guys, is are they doing that

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Speaker 4: at a college level, because if they're not, you have

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Speaker 4: to get into that process of or you're.

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Speaker 3: Learning it through your training camp.

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Speaker 4: And if you're learning how to relearning how to take

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Speaker 4: a drop and take snaps under center, you're naturally the

533
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Speaker 4: game is going to be slow to you.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be here naturally, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be faster you. It's not going to be slow.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I want to get to the Heisman

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Speaker 1: stuff because that the answer you just gave is fantastic

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Speaker 1: and it also felt like you were reliving it in

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Speaker 1: the moment with Kyle Shanahan breathing down your neck. Shanahan

540
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Speaker 1: is considered to be such a genius of a coach

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Speaker 1: right now. Offensively give people some insight into what he

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Speaker 1: is like in the room when he is giving direction

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kyle Shanahan is that guy. I couldn't have more

545
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Speaker 3: respect for him and what he does.

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Speaker 4: And there's a reason why the San Francisco forty nine

547
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Speaker 4: ers are the team that they are right now.

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Speaker 3: The detail that you get from a guy like that

549
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Speaker 3: is truly bizarre.

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't think an offensive coordinator a head coach, a

551
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Speaker 4: quarterback coach, everything he's been throughout the years. But you

552
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Speaker 4: wouldn't think, or I didn't think when I first got there,

553
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Speaker 4: that he could coach all what, however many positions you're

554
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Speaker 4: on a football team, you want to call it offense,

555
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Speaker 4: defense eleven twenty two plus the kicker and the punter

556
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Speaker 4: and the long snapper. You know, let's call it like

557
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Speaker 4: twenty five positions. I'd be twenty six positions. He can

558
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Speaker 4: coach every single one of them, from offensive linement to

559
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Speaker 4: where their hat placement goes like a stripe on their

560
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Speaker 4: hat needs to be on this shoulder right, your hand

561
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Speaker 4: needs to be here. We're never going to get that block.

562
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Speaker 4: We're never going to be able to reach that technique.

563
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Speaker 4: So the detail on what you have and what you

564
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Speaker 4: get from a guy like that is something that will

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Speaker 4: stick with you for the rest of your life. You know,

566
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Speaker 4: I can sit here and watch a football game now

567
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Speaker 4: and watching outside zone play a boring run that goes

568
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Speaker 4: for three yards in a cloud of dust, and I

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Speaker 4: sit there as a fan on a Saturday or a Sunday,

570
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Speaker 4: whether it's college or the NFL, and I look, somebody

571
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Speaker 4: will be sitting next to me and I go, freaking

572
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: guy didn't have his a placement in the right place.

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Speaker 4: His hand was too far inside, he can't reach that.

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Speaker 4: He's never going to get that. That ball's got to

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Speaker 4: cut back and it doesn't. So like, there's just certain

576
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Speaker 4: things like that that you see and that you learn

577
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Speaker 4: that are so ingrained because of how detailed Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 4: is and like you see it, what purty you see

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Speaker 4: that when he has that play action fake and he

580
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: hits that back foot, like he knows where his eyes are.

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Speaker 4: He's trained, and there's just a way of you know,

582
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Speaker 4: training quarterbacks, especially in the NFL, that can you know,

583
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Speaker 4: everything looks like a little chaos out here, and if

584
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Speaker 4: you can dial it down and narrow it into this

585
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Speaker 4: much where your eyes are in the right place, that's

586
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Speaker 4: what Shanahan does so well. You get your eyes in

587
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Speaker 4: the right place that if you trust him and you

588
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: cut it off when you're supposed to and when your

589
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 4: feet tell you too, you're going to be really, really successful.

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Speaker 4: So it was a really cool experience for me to

591
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Speaker 4: be able to spend the year with them that I did,

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Speaker 4: and he reminds me a lot of Cliff Kingsbury as well.

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Speaker 3: Game Time.

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610
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Speaker 1: famously won the Heisman Trophy. You famously battled with the

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Speaker 1: NC double A. This week, the NC double A gave

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Speaker 1: back Reggie Bush his heisman. You were very outspoken about

613
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Speaker 1: him getting the heisman back and the challenges with the

614
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Speaker 1: NC double A. Give me your take on what happened.

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Speaker 1: I also liked that Reggie Bush has said he's still

616
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Speaker 1: suing the NC double A. Give me your take on

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Speaker 1: sort of how that drama ends from your point of view.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just the whole thing is just and

619
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Speaker 4: its entirety is so amazing. I have I've, throughout this

620
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Speaker 4: process obviously been very vocal about Reggie and about my

621
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Speaker 4: desire and my want for me to see him get

622
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Speaker 4: his trophy back. So luckily last week I got to

623
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Speaker 4: go to a heis and summit down in Florida and

624
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: be with a lot of the guys as Reggie was

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Speaker 4: getting his trophy back. And what an amazing thing, What

626
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Speaker 4: a very cool experience to be a part of. Right,

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Speaker 4: A lot of people gave me credit for what happened,

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Speaker 4: and I sit here today and feel ecstatic, not for

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Speaker 4: myself for what was done, but for Reggie himself. You know,

630
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Speaker 4: there were a lot of things that came out, and

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Speaker 4: Reggie said himself like that was as close and as

632
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Speaker 4: low as I've ever been in my life when that

633
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Speaker 4: thing got taken away from me, when my heisman got

634
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Speaker 4: taken away from me. So I had empathy for Reggie,

635
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: you know, I had a soft spot in my heart

636
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Speaker 4: for a guy who had done so much for the

637
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: game of college football that wasn't allowed to be there

638
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 4: with us every single year, And I think it was wrong.

639
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: And I'm so thankful for the heismand Trust to be

640
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Speaker 4: able to come to a decision like that. I'm so

641
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Speaker 4: happy for Reggie to be able to walk into his

642
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Speaker 4: house again and see his trophy and be able to

643
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Speaker 4: do that, because I couldn't imagine putting myself in his

644
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Speaker 4: shoes and having to go through that. And the first

645
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Speaker 4: thing that I thought of whenever he got it back was,

646
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Speaker 4: you know, fuck the NCAA. Sorry for my language, Like

647
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: you know, they deserve every thing they have coming to them,

648
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 4: and it's only a matter of time until we see

649
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Speaker 4: the demise of the n c double A. Forever, I

650
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Speaker 4: will be sitting here with a bucket of popcorn in

651
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Speaker 4: my Heisman trophy right next to me, waiting for that

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Speaker 4: day that I see that alert.

653
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: You just mentioned something that was really interesting to me,

654
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: which I didn't I don't think I understood. You said

655
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: you were at a Heisman Trust meeting. So is that

656
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: like the Heisman House? Are there just like a bunch

657
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: of Heisman winners hanging out like what happens there.

658
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: You know, we we get a chance every year to

659
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: go to New York for the ceremony, and then really

660
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: outside of that, you know, we don't have a lot

661
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: of you know, interaction other than the guys that you're

662
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: kind of friends with in the in the in the

663
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: Heisman House, I guess. So, you know, this for us

664
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: is continuing to uh, continuing to keep our fraternity tight,

665
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: you know, continuing to get a chance to spend some

666
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: time around true legends of the game of college football.

667
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: The Heisman Trust itself does an amazing job for us

668
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: at you know, allowing some events for us to come,

669
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, do things for charity. What our future looks

670
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: like as far as the Heisman Trophy, you know, there's

671
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 4: a lot of changes that are happening in college football

672
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: right now, and I think, you know, the Heisman Trust

673
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 4: is aware of that. I think each and every one

674
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: of us as members are aware of that, and collectively

675
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 4: as a whole, I think every one of us wants

676
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: the the Heisman to be everything that it's supposed to

677
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: be from you know, not just the trophy itself, but

678
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: what they do as far as giving back what they

679
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: do is a you know, heisman, you know, trust as

680
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 4: a whole, and you know they look to us for.

681
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: Ah, you know, a lot of input on that.

682
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 4: And luckily I'm one of the younger guys that gets

683
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: a chance to sit back and like I don't have

684
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: to you know, trust my opinion onto everything. I get

685
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: a chance to sit back and be around guys like

686
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: Archie Griffin who have won two of these things, who

687
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: have been around and been involved with the trophy a

688
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: lot longer than I. I'm very much on the younger

689
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: side of things, but you know, at the end of

690
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: the day, I feel each and every member. While some

691
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 4: guys are at times more important than others, each and

692
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: every member has a voice, and you know, it means

693
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 4: a lot to me. That trophy means a lot to me.

694
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: That every winner there means a lot to me, and

695
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: every person that's been involved with that trophy. It feels

696
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: like when I go back and see everybody that it's

697
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: twenty twelve all over again and I'm just walking across

698
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 4: that stage for the first time.

699
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: It's one of the biggest things I've ever got to

700
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: do in my life. You know, why wouldn't I take

701
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: it serious? Yeah?

702
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me time I got one more follow

703
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: But you know, you never think about the Heisman Trophy

704
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: winners being buddies, right because it's an individual award, and

705
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: like you don't think about times when they would get together,

706
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: so and just thinking about sort of you know, they

707
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: have the commercial of the Heisman houg which is really funny,

708
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: but the idea that that kind of come right and

709
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: brotherhood actually exists. Is there like a Heisman winner text chain?

710
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: You are you with that liner?

711
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: And Reggie Bush, like, are you guys all just texting

712
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: each other about different things?

713
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 4: You know there might be I try my best and

714
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: to look at it from from my perspective, I think

715
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: it means differently to each and every one of the guys,

716
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: but for me. But for me, I think, you know,

717
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: when a guy wins it, I immediately get on Twitter or

718
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: Instagram and I reach out and I say congratulations, and

719
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: you know, try to create a relationship from.

720
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: The first aid that they walk across the stage.

721
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: It's what a lot of guys did with me whenever

722
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: I went to New York for the first time and

723
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: I won, and luckily I got a chance to go

724
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: back the next year and have some of those relationships

725
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: already in place. So for me, you know, I do

726
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: a job myself and my own right of reaching out

727
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: to the guys saying what's up, trying my best to

728
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 4: have a relationship with a lot of the guys that

729
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: are there. You know, it's tough to have it with

730
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: every single one over the years. We're all in different places,

731
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: different and ages, different things like that. But for me

732
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: and what I want to do, you know, I want

733
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: to be a guy who is open to anything that

734
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: these guys could ever need from me, and you know,

735
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: be a friend and a brother here with whatever I

736
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: could do.

737
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: The NFL obviously it's my first love. But there's no

738
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: cooler reward in sports than the heisman. The heisman is peak.

739
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: It's just everything about It's cool everything. The whole ceremony

740
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: to all the guys on the stage, like you just

741
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: talk about their brotherhood. Even when you go around and

742
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: you shake their hands, they all give you this look

743
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: of like you don't even know, like your whole life

744
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: is changed forever, like you're in now this brotherhood. So

745
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: I honestly warmed my heart knowing that you guys do

746
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: talk and get together like that because it's like you

747
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 2: guys are part of this really small group that only

748
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: know this life, how your life does change so much

749
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: from it. So just picking it back, picking back and

750
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: off the Heisman talk. You know, this time last year,

751
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: no one was talking Daniels like he was not someone

752
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: people really talktalking about for Heisman. And if you go

753
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: through the Heisman history like you Johnny when you won it,

754
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: like it's there's it's always these people that come out

755
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Baker Mayfield came out of nowhere. Like that's

756
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: why we love betting the Heisman because you can get

757
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: people of fifty to one crazy long shot odds. Right now,

758
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: you're looking at the board this upcoming season, Johnny, is

759
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 2: the anyone that Pops offer you for the for being

760
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: someone that you want to bet for Heisman?

761
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's really tough, right, Like there's very

762
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: very few years where your favorite going into the preseason

763
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: is going to be the guy who comes out and

764
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 4: win it.

765
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: Wins it. It happens, but almost but almost.

766
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: Never really, Like you know, for for the years that

767
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: I've watched and that I've seen it, usually as.

768
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: Somebody from the back of the pack.

769
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of like stellar, stellar

770
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: qbs right now in college football, guys who are going

771
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: to like have some unbelievable seasons and just looking at

772
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 4: it right now, I think Jackson Dart from Old miss

773
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: is a guy that I would keep an eye on

774
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: this year. I think him and Lane Kiffin are going

775
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: to be up to something really special. I think when

776
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: yours from Texas, you know, stuff that is being an

777
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: aggie over here, but you know, a good kid, a

778
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 4: great quarterback. I think he's going to make a lot

779
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 4: of noise. We'll see how they do their first year

780
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: in the SEC. You know, realistically, you need to probably

781
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 4: only have a couple losses on your schedule here unless

782
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: your numbers are that much, you know, exceedingly over everybody else's.

783
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: And then I like Jaalle Norro from Alabama. I think

784
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: this guy is going to come this year and come

785
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 4: back better than he was last year. He's an absolute

786
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: physical specimen. I think those are three guys right there,

787
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 4: all SEC guys that are going to battle for first

788
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: team All SEC, and I think you know they'll end

789
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: up probably getting a chance. One of those guys in

790
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 4: those three I think will end up in New York.

791
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart sixteen to one at BET three six five.

792
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: Middle row quin viewers are eight to one at BET

793
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: three six five. It has become the kind of award

794
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: where you basically need to be in the big ten

795
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: of the SEC in order to win it. We saw

796
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: that this year with Jaydeen, Daniel and Michael Pennix. When

797
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: you look at Milroe, you know, Milroe was forty to

798
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: one to go number one in the draft next year.

799
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Now he's down to nine to one. When you are

800
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback at that stage of development, think back to

801
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: your time in college. What is it like when you

802
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: can start to feel a coach giving you a little

803
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: bit more confidence, which is what he went through this

804
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: year and similar to what happened to you when you

805
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: were in your freshman.

806
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: Year getting all the games under your belt and then

807
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: come back to next year not having to worry about,

808
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 4: you know, the little butterflies you have before the game,

809
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: the little nervousness about how to run this system and

810
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: this operation. Your off season from from year one to

811
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: year two very much goes into detailing, so you go

812
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: into the detail of what your offense is being able

813
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: to run at easier signals, This that your operation runs

814
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: really really smoothly as you come back, you know, especially

815
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: when you have the quarterback coming back. That's the catalyst

816
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: of the whole thing. College football offense is for the

817
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: most part, only run through a really really good qb.

818
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: Are There's some out there that run the ball really

819
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 4: well when it goes to a running back, of course,

820
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: but the majority of the time it's a quarterback liven

821
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: quarterback driven position. And to have a guy that had

822
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: a lot of you know, success in year one coming

823
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 4: back into year two, you would think that the operation

824
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 4: only gets smoother, all.

825
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: Right, before we let you get out of here. You

826
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: were famously a dynamic football player in college won the Heisman.

827
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: As we discussed, give Simon and I give us, give

828
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: us your favorite most dynamic college football players you've personally seen,

829
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: sort of your five faves for lack of a better term,

830
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: guys that you've seen in our generation, say, going back

831
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: the past twenty years, because the game changes so much, right,

832
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: so like the way you were playing it is different

833
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: than the way you know people were playing it in

834
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. People will go back and say, you know,

835
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: Archie Griffin is one of the greatest comfortball players ever

836
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: different game. So let's think about it in the context

837
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: of today's game.

838
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: I think guys who changed the game, A lot of

839
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: guys who were the most fun that electric that I

840
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 4: got to watch.

841
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: I think Reggie Bush is very very high up at

842
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: the top of that list.

843
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: I think the guy who finished number two in the

844
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: highs than that year is just an absolute electric player

845
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: who was a guy who I modeled a lot of

846
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: my game after. But Vin Young was a guy who

847
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: was an absolute legend. I loved watching Tevon Austin when

848
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: he was at West Virginia.

849
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: That guy really really really moved the needle.

850
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: A guy that a lot of people forget about that

851
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: I love to watch was the Anthony Thomas at Oregon

852
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: around my time was an absolute stud. And then you know, last,

853
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: the guy you have to give so much credit to

854
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: for changing the way that the whole quarterback game was

855
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: like really played as far as like the era that

856
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: we're in now, right, I think I can't have a

857
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: list of exciting college football players without having Lamar Jackson

858
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: on that list.

859
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: That's right. You forget about the Anthony Thomas.

860
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: Beast, an absolute beast just watching him in some of

861
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: the plays that he made in Oregon was just crazy.

862
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 4: Another guy that's forgot about who was in my class,

863
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: who was amazing at Ohio State.

864
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: I loved watching Braxton Miller.

865
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: I thought Braxton Miller, he was the number one quarterback

866
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 4: coming out of my class, ended up going to Ohio State.

867
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 4: There's still a spin move that he hit that I

868
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: still can play in my head any day.

869
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: That the guy was just an absolute freak that he

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