WEBVTT - Ep. 059: Seattle, Washington. Steven Rinella talks with employees at Starbuck's World Headquarters along Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew and Land Tawney from BHA. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is Me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.520 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening Don't Make 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:34.080 You Eat podcast. You Can't Predict Anything. What You're about 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.479 to hear is a conversation about hunters and hunting recorded 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.240 at Starbucks World Headquarters in Seattle, Washington. Me your host, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.120 Stephen Ronella, along with Land Tawny and Janice who tell 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.919 us take questions from Starbucks employees who chose to attend 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:56.520 the mid day gathering. Okay, thanks everyone for coming in today. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.160 I appreciate it. I appreciate you join us for this 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.120 lunch and learned in this podcast kind cool technology that 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.880 we're all I'm sure addicted to at this point. UM, 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.880 I'm bailed for myself, myself and Partners for Sustainability. UM. Again, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.840 thank you for coming. I'd like to take just a 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.759 quick second to introduce our guests that we have today. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.800 Right here to my right is Land Tawny as the 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.080 President CEBO CEO of back Country Hunters and Anglers, which 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.959 is a national conservation group. B h A is a 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.840 nonprofit organization that was born around the campfire in Oregon 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:30.000 in two thousand four and now has chapters in twenty states, 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.080 also Canada, and the group claims close to ten thousand members. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.160 H works to prevent the development of wild lands of 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.480 North America and to ensure that we all have access 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.800 to those lands. B H sent up over on the 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.560 side police feel free after the take a look some 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.440 cool stuff, some shirts. Uh sign up. We're also if 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.200 anybody the side of today there's a giveaway um from 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.040 sign ups for first light years, so entire entire base 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.200 layer it's Marino will. All these guys use it a lot. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.080 It's a really high quality, great stuff. Next we have 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.680 honestly tell us he's also made a career in the 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.800 outdoors and shares a passion for wildlife and wildlife management. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.560 Jana spent over twelve years guiding sportsmen and women on 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.040 adventures out in the wild, and now he's the part 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.040 of the Meat Eater crew and executive producer of their 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.840 TV show. And our guest of honor is Stephen Ronella. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:23.000 Stephen is an accomplished writer, an avid outdoorsman, a skilled chef, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.840 and a dedicated conservationist. He's also the television show Meat 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.239 Eator It's on the Sportsmen's Channel, and his book titles 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:35.360 include the Scavengers, Guide to Oak Quisine, American Buffalo in 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.480 Search of a Lost Icon, and Meat Eater Adventures from 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.480 the Life of American Hunter. American Buffalo won a number 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.600 of awards, including the Circuit de Olson Nature Writing Award 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.840 and the Pacific Northwest Booksellers Award. One quote from Anthony 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.960 Moore nine Around the Mediator book he had to say 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.359 about Meteator, Chances are Stephen Ronella's life is very different 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.880 than yours or mine. He does not source his food 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:04.239 at the local supermarket. Um Meat Eater is a unique 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.120 and valuable alternative view of where our food comes from 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.360 and what can be involved. It looks both backwards at 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.560 the way things used to be and forward to a 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.040 time when every diner truly understands what's on the end 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.160 of the sport. One of our core values here at 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.040 Starbucks is acting with courage, challenging the status quo, can 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.440 finding new ways to grow our company and each other. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.480 I think we would all agree that fighting for a 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.480 sustainable model to wildlife and wild lands is something we value. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.240 So today, let's act with courage and have an open 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.400 and honest discussion around what we can do and what 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.000 we can be around this polarizing topic. I can't think 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.840 of three better people suited to lead us in this discussion. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.760 Gentlemen'll turn it over to you first, all, thank you 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:50.400 for coming down. It was some months ago that Chad 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.960 invited us to come out. He had listened to a 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.320 um A podcast that we did with we recorded at 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.960 a Bad Huntry, Hunters and Anglers convention. So we all 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.680 in Missoula, Montana, and there it was. You know, it 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.480 was a crowd of very dedicated outdoorsman and Chad thought 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.440 it might be cool to come and do something similar here, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.040 of primary difference being we have a way better a 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.320 V set up now. So what I would like to 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.279 do is just because we have limited time, he says, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.880 you guys all have meetings you're gonna go through in 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.720 an hour. Um, would I'd like to do to jump 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.680 into questions you can have or it could really be 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.680 about anything. It could be technical things that have to 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.320 do with hunting, is fine, or it could be like 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.840 more bigger picture things about how hunting fits into our 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:45.159 contemporary understanding of wildlife management or you know, ethical food 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.240 or anything. It really doesn't matter, so really anything, if 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:49.960 I can interrupt you, we all often play the game. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.200 We're out in the field making media or television. We 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.760 play a game called stump Steve. It's hard. So really 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.799 you know any of you drinking? Yeah? I was telling 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:10.120 Chandler the way that via change backpack great problems. I 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:18.560 wasn't even paid to say that. Questions how are we 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.240 gonna do? Quit? You're gonna run that thing over to 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.720 people who have a question? Yeah? Absolutely, Just to throw 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.240 your hand up and I'll bring the mike to you. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.120 We can talk about it. Well. People are thinking we 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:33.320 got one. Um, how how do you guys recommend or 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.960 kind of see Sydney folks getting involved? Um, you know, 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.320 the grocery store is convenient. I have to drive out 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.800 to the woods every weekend, have a couple of little kids. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.240 I don't get a whole lot of time outside. Um 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.720 you know what, what what would be some best practices 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.680 in terms of sour some food from the wild, but 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.839 also living a Sydney life. Are you guys familiar with 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:02.800 the biggest uh Barri's wheel downtown? Kay? Right? Now you 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.040 go down there at Ducks, you will see a line 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:13.160 of people predominantly UH Cambodians, Vietnamese and Filipino individuals and 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:19.240 me and my kids um jigging for squid. So in 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.240 the starting around Thanksgiving running up into January, the squid 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.320 or spawning. They tend to spawn about fifteen to thirty 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.000 ft of water and we hammered. We eat so much 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.560 calamari in the last couple of months, my wife's declared 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:38.760 a calamari moratorian um. One of my first my first 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.000 book that I wrote. A big part of the book 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.880 was about a lot of the book was around street pigeons, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.480 which are you know, a non native often regarded as 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.640 a delaterious exotic wildlife. Um, I mean a pile of 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.159 street pigeons. I think in a more way, in a 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.760 more conventional way. I think that, Um, there's just a 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.000 lot of think there's a lot of food resources that 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.240 don't get a ton of attention. So if you look 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:12.160 at hunting media, everything seems to be focused around like deer, turkeys. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.840 You know, these are things that are in somewhat high demand. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.280 There's sort of an industry built around them. They're kind of, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.760 for lack of a better word, they're very fashionable things 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.680 to go after. But there are many many other items 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.200 that are just like I don't want to say underutilized 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.360 and that something bad would happen. That's something there's a 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.680 negative to not being utilized. But there's a lot of 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.000 them fishing and hunting resources out there just aren't that 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:41.960 aren't exploited really at all. Um, we're oftentimes advocating hunting 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.280 small game, right, So we spent a lot of time 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.920 hunting squirrels and ramps and things that people just don't do. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.200 That's the kind of stuff I do with my kids. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.760 So my kids are two, four and six, and we 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.679 do a lot of things like we fished yellow perch 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.400 out of Lake Washington a lot. I caught them off 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.720 at about sixty perch, So I don't like cleaning that 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.240 man that takes us about forty five minutes. We jiggle 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.480 out of squid because we can go down to jig, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.440 I can pick my kid off from school. We can 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.440 be jigging squid and then come home in time to 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.240 even six third. I'll take them out hunting small game 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.400 because it's like it's they can see it happen, it 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.640 happens quickly. It fits within they're sort of time frame, 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.480 you know. Um, I've never for want stuff to do. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.240 I think the challenges is finding out about this stuff, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:26.840 and the best way to find out about the stuff 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:32.920 is it surround yourself with people who are doing it. Yeah, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.080 I mean I think that's what I was gonna say, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.040 is that, I mean, finding people, it's probably the best connection. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.000 I also have young kids, um and you know, fortunate 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.760 to row up in Montana where this stuff is maybe 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.920 a little more accessible than it is here. But we 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.760 have a chapter that's you know, growing by the day 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.559 that's here in Seattle, and and and they actually having 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.400 a pintman on Thursday night. But those are the folks 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.600 that can get you. It's public land that surrounds us 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.640 out here in its public water. Are places where you 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.760 can't do that. I mean, Steve's described a little bit 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.360 of that. So I think it's what you don't know, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.280 you don't know, and so getting next to people that 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.920 can't connect to that would be my biggest I think 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.080 opportunity for you get out and with the kids. Uh, 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.320 I mean, I think including they can do them more 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.719 than you they then you think they can. I mean, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.640 just get them out there and get them engaged and 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.560 make make it fun. And then the more they get 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.520 out there, they're gonna beg for it and that's gonna 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.839 help you get out there a little bit more, for 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.160 a little bit of suffering in there too, you know, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:34.160 or can't all be easy? That's character, right, builds character. 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:39.640 It's a build song cold tolerance. You have edition down. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.160 Um yeah, but I think you gotta answered that thoroughly. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.920 Maybe huckleberries, right, huckleberries or something that can really get 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.240 you out there too, right and like and those kids are' 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.280 probably gonna bring any huckleberries home because it's gonnat them 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.320 the entire time. But it's something easy you can do 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.160 and if you find a patch, and it's something they 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.959 will never forget. So I'm a huge fan of your show. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.839 I watched the last couple of season on Netflix. So 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.800 I've been on maternity leave and your conversations about kids 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.080 has really got me thinking a little bit about, um, 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.360 the role that I play as parents when it comes 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.040 to hunting and being in the outdoors. I grew up 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.199 in a hunting family. My husband my hunt, and there's 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.920 going to be a time where his friends come over 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.560 and do I do I talk to them about hunting? 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.400 Do I talk to them about gun ownership? I've always 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.199 grown up in a really responsible household where gun ownership 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.920 was the norm, but it was also very safe, and 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.800 I learned from a very early age how to handle 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:42.880 firearms and how to keep them away from other children 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.360 or how to handle them in a, you know, a 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.280 very safe manner. So I guess my question is what 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.679 have you done with your children to instill those kind 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.320 of same values, and you know, when is that time? 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.200 When is that appropriate time to start teaching them about 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.640 safety and especially in this kind of polarized Yeah, that's 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.199 a great question. I have made it now two trips 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.840 down to schools to explain to teachers that when my 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.480 son mentions a shotgun or mentions a rifle where he's 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.160 coming from. He'll mention like I have a blank, okay, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.360 or my dad has a blank that's gonna be mine. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.280 They fly off the handle. Understandably. I go down and said, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.400 you have to understand this kid's context with what he's 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:31.280 talking about, because every piece of protein that he eats 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.440 came from our hunting and fishing activities. That's all he's 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.320 ever known. He goes to school with like a muskok sandwich, okay, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.040 So when he talks about he's coming at this from 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.520 a completely different angle than you think he's coming from. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.720 He's coming from a practical matter where he's talking about 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.400 the same way you might talk about a kitchen knife 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.160 or a blader. It's always in our household of conversation. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.720 I found that when I've had this conversation with people, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.800 they've been comforted, very cool about it. It's never led 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.640 to more problems. But twice had that like awkward moment 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.320 where he's been made to feel like he's doing something 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.320 wrong by talking about a big part of his life. Okay, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.280 so I've been careful to clear that up. My wife 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.760 is more. She didn't grow up in a in a 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.000 household with firearms. She didn't grow up around hunting. She 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.160 tends the more when people come over with kids, she 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.120 just impoll like, you know, just right off the bat 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.160 will bring them down and be like, this is a 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:36.040 keypad locked place where we keep firearms, and inside there 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.559 you will would find firearms that also have trigger locks 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.760 on them, so we have a redundant safety system. I'm like, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.720 why do you, like, why do you bring it up 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.520 and there when you asked about it? Because because she said, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.000 I know they're thinking about it because we're like the 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.360 crazy people with the guns. So she just clears it 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.160 right up, and I think it's probably good. I used 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.599 to be uncomfortable with it because it was all I 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.840 felt like, what are you like admitting, you know, she 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.040 doesn't know people wonder about this stuff. You can to 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.640 consider where you live, you know, And so yeah, that's 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.559 that's something. And I think that I think that my 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.160 kids to eat struggles all the time with hearing stuff 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.560 at school where he's talking about, oh, we ate this 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.040 or we did that this weekend, and here your kids, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.679 Well that's me, you know, And I've already armed about 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.720 the most basic arguments to try on them, like do 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.640 you eat meat? And if you do, if you eat 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.000 a chicken mc nugget, how that's produced in a sort 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.079 of slurry that contains probably four or fifty chickens in it, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.360 you have contributed to a little bit of death yourself. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.600 Ours is more focused and targeted, and he's already kind 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.040 of like mastering some of these arguments because I know 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.400 that he's putting up with it. Lands kids in Montana 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.040 are not having these conversations, but mine in Seattle are, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.440 I mean they are a little bit. I mean I think, well, yeah, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.439 I mean I grew up with kids that didn't hunt. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.840 So like their culture is, you know, changing a little bit, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.120 and those getting bigger and people are moving in that 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:00.720 haven't been there before. I think I would I would 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.000 share some of the things that Steve talked about is 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.280 educating them about why we hunt. I mean, my daughter 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:06.760 has been in the back of the truck since she 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.160 was too cleaning birds out, we've been fishing, She's been 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.280 on my backs and she was two years old, and 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.920 so I think she's been ingrained in it just like 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.320 years have. We don't. I work a little bit more 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.240 than you're doing. So totally sourced all my food from 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:24.320 out the outdoors. But but you're working too, don't mean that. Um, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.200 but I think the gun thing is a different thing too, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.600 And I think like they've known and I knew when 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.560 I was a little kid and we didn't have safe 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.800 guns were around all the time. Just this healthy respect 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.120 for them. Now we have a safe now at our house. Um, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.040 but I think like we're the night before we go hunting, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.160 like I'll get those guns out now the the shells 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.160 and stuff won't be around. But they have a healthy 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.320 respect for him and so that they know that that's 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.840 not something that they touched. Now we've gone out and 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:54.960 shot like I think be beguns and uh um, and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.760 I think teaching them guns safety around be beguns. So 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.840 there's still some danger there, but really the danger is 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.200 not as high. And so barrel safety and like when 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:04.640 do you put your finger on the trigger and where 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.360 are you pointing that you know the end of your barrel? 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.280 I think are good things to teach him with those 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.520 kind of early, um, non lethal weapons. And and then 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.760 you know, um, we have kids running out of our 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.800 house from the neighborhood all the time and so when 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.400 it's not the night before hind like those guns are 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.400 away and that's what we do. Yeah, we never when 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:23.760 I was kid, we didn't have a gun. We didn't 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.680 keep our firearms and a gun safe either, but it 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.560 would just been it would have been like your ask 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.480 if you touch someone totally. And I think the parents 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.720 are different now. They don't inspire the level of fear 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.240 their parents used to inspire. So we may gout for 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.560 fear by using trigger locks. Um. But you know, we 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.280 drove around when I was can We drove around on 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.800 our bikes with twenty two is sling over our shoulders. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.240 There's like kids that I now know weren't allowed to 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.320 hang out with us because we were like armed ten 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.520 year olds. It's just like, it's just a different world 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.480 out man, you know, it's way a different world. And 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.280 I try to be sympathetic too if I don't like 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.440 the cave into it either, Um, you know, I try 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.000 to do think it's right. I alarmed a little bit 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.480 how many parents our kids have nerve guns? Right? How 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:09.360 many parents feel that their kids are one NERF gun 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.920 exposure away from becoming a murderer. And I'm like, I 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.240 like to think that the foundations are a little bit 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.680 stronger there. Or a kid can sort out that they're 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.280 smart enough to sort out the difference between a NERF 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.200 gun and something that actually causes harm. And then there's 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.440 a difference between shooting their dad with a NERF gun 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.800 dart and shooting at someone with something that would name 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.600 or kill them. They do a great job drawing those distinctions. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.880 I think that you've got to give kids some credit 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.920 to understand nuance and these are all things that come 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.080 out of hunting lifestyle, you know. I think it's like 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.800 it really enhances It just gives you an ability to 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.960 discuss things that might otherwise be hard to bring up. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:57.200 We've already covered eggs and sperm and stuff a thousand times, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.920 cleaning fish. They're dialed on that later when we kind 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.000 of expanded it outward and talking about all the things 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.800 they might need to know about. We'll have a good 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:10.160 foundation and some visuals. I think that early and often too, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.080 like as soon as you get those kids out there, 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.080 this is gonna be a way they think is like, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.760 it's gonna be normal to them. I have a quick 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.159 question here, kind of expanding on what you guys are 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.880 talking about. I'm a new dad, Um got a five 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.159 month old. My wife was raised in a hunting family 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.240 on New you know, third year hunter. Um getting into 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.199 it with her father in law a bit. But you know, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.919 our future, we're thinking of moving out east. You know, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.480 maybe not in the near future, but um, you know, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.920 in the future. And you know we used to be 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.760 Eastern Washington. Yeah, Eastern Washington. She's got family out there 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.880 and love that area. But you know, we're thinking as 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.879 we talk about, you know, raising a kid around guns 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.199 and that sort of thing. You know, do you do 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.000 you have that assumption you know about families that kids 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:01.199 play with also have that healthy respect for guns, or 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.359 you know, are you talking with those parents you know 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.960 and and understanding where they come? You know, you know, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.880 you hear the horror stories of kids playing around other 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.040 kids that really don't have that respect as a household, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.679 and you know, do you do you have a you know, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:22.199 uh kind of a thought on how you approach that 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.040 or Yeah, I would say that in that case, our 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.280 stuff is completely awful limited to anybody else. Yeah, I mean, like, 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:35.000 are like, you know, our kids friends, they I don't. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.800 I don't expose them anything that that they might not 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.360 be exposed to at home. You know what I'm saying. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:41.840 I would never take one of my kids bodies and 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.399 be like, oh hey, check it out, here's a twenty 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.160 two words. You know, what about your kids going over 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:50.520 to you know, other friends, you know, do you trust 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.399 your kid enough? Or you having that conversation with those 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.359 parents you know, I guess they're not old enough. The 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.800 words even come up, you you know our oldest six 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.760 or that. That's a good question. Um, I haven't been 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.520 encountered with that yet. I haven't encountered that yet. I 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.800 have seen at times, I've seen at at acquaintances homes. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.200 I've seen ways in which they handle firearms and store firearms, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.160 and and talk to kids about firearms ways in which 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.600 I think are that I would if my kids are older, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.040 I would not want them over at that house for sure. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.760 That they don't. They don't have the standards that I have. 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.920 You know, I think in the I don't want to 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.440 spend the whole time talking about guns, but I mean, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.560 it's it's a rich subject. I'm a little bit surprised 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:37.320 oftentimes in the way in which safe handling and say 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.760 storage and making a kid friendly environment in a gun 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:47.080 owning family. I'm surprising which the way the industry has 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.400 avoided that subject. I think it's I think I think 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.960 it should be something that that is stressed much more 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.639 um but people don't. People kind of avoid it, and 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.680 on the industry sense a little bit, I think because 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.760 they don' want to make it. They don't want to 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.919 there's a reluctant maybe to acknowledge how serious the issue is, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.920 lest it become that these things are not good things 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.919 to have in the home. I don't know why it is, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:18.600 but I'm pretty comfortable talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.720 I was gonna say that it comes down to the foundation. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.520 So I think that any of our kids, once they 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.280 are old enough to go over someone else's house where 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.199 they find themselves in that situation, they'll know what to 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.960 do in that situation. Don't make the right choice. But yeah, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.919 where I grew up, many bark in people's houses. They 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.639 got a gun leaning on the door frame and a 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.760 bunch of animals and done tip of a speaker. Um, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.840 I think things have changed a lot. Yeah. I mean 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.520 my grandfather he still has that a twenty two, you know, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.480 back back at the front door, just in case there's 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.960 a skunker. I mean something like I just I don't know, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.360 like whatever, whatever, But I think but again, I think 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.800 it's like what Jana said, is that like our kids, 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.000 they understand that is off limits them. And I'm out 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.320 now that I say it out loud. You know, maybe 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.800 I'm a little nervous about it. Maybe it's, you know, 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:11.120 time to have a conversation. I got a question here 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.840 about um, kind of the federal land transfer to states 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.480 and how um, maybe you could educate us a little 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.040 bit on some of these topics that we should be 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.560 aware of and maybe, um, just I think it was 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.320 interesting even just land, just the quick little conversation that 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.560 we had before the before the show started. Um, I 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.960 was not aware of some of that stuff, and it 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.920 makes me kind of upset a little bit, And I 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:39.640 think it might be good just to talk a little 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.160 bit about that and just kind of drawn awareness educate 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:43.920 us a little bit about that. Yeah, I think Land 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.119 should do that. I'll just prep with Lands comments by 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:51.040 saying that this this right now federal land transfers um 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.920 probably probably the biggest issue we're facing right now from 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.359 a conservation environmental standpoint, as far as it's something that's 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.240 that's immediate and happening right now, not not a long 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.000 term threat, but like a very immediate threat that's being 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.440 addressed at this very moment in Washington. So yeah, Land, 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.480 you should break down. I mean, this is something I 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.320 probably talked about for a long time. So I'll try 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.520 to give this kind of top lines and if people 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.919 have more questions that want to dive deeper, we can 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.040 do that. I think the first thing I would talk 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.760 about is is really one of the things that I 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.560 think is more American than apple pie and baseball is 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.080 our public lands. It's a place that whether you have 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.440 a lot of money or you don't, whether you live 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.919 here in Seattle, in the city, or in you know, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.200 back into Zula, Montown where I'm from. We all own 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.879 title the six d and forty million acres. These lands 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.240 belong to everybody in this room, and anybody's listening to 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.159 this podcast, anybody in America. I think, you know, you 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:52.200 look at the system over in Europe where that really 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.760 belongs to the rich and the elite and the privileged. 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.720 And so Theodore Roosevelt helps start setting these lands aside 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:04.000 back around you and n like that was something new. 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.160 And at that time when he did that, it wasn't 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.240 like everybody around the country was like this is a 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.840 great idea. When he did that, it was to make 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.639 sure that we have these lands in perpetuity and that 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.280 they could continually use for conservation. That doesn't mean that 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:21.240 you set up and you lock them away. That means 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.719 you still have timber harvest. That means you still have crazin. 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.879 It means you still have resource extraction. That means you 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.240 still have hunting and fishing and perpetuity. But it's that 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.679 multiple use that I think is the general idea of 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.680 public lands that really sets us aside from any other 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.639 country in this world. Now, I mentioned that there was 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.040 some folks when theyot Roosevelt kind of started this process 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.600 that didn't want him to do that. From my home 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:50.399 state of Montana, Senator Wyoming, Senator Idaho, Senator they fought him. 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.880 And so there's still those people that want to kind 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.359 of take that for themselves. And so why do they 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.680 want to take that for themselves. Well, they feel like 0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.560 there's too much regulation at a federal level and they 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.679 want to like those resources. That's one of them. The 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.840 second one is that they want to take them for themselves, 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.760 and so they have their own private hunting grounds or 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:10.520 their own kind of private playground, I would say, And 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.399 so neither one of those I think help us in 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:16.960 our American ideals. Now, the specific question that Matt asked 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.400 around transfer to the states. So this idea of transfer 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.679 to the states, again there's more of local control, we 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.919 can do more with those resources, and the federal government 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:31.000 can like that starts to sound okay. Now, what's a 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.800 problem with that is since statehood, when these states first 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.840 were granted lands, when they became the states, they've been 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:40.320 divesting those lands. They've been selling those lands. And so 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.840 why they do that, Well, they're they're set up to 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.479 create money, and that's it's not that multiple use anymore 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.680 that I talked about earlier, and so I think, um, 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.840 you know, are set up to make money and and 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:55.399 so right away I think those resources aren't sustainable and 0:24:55.480 --> 0:25:00.120 so they either rape and village and then divest them 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.800 or they can't management the first place, you think about 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.600 all the fires, think about the fire season that it's 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.359 been in the news a lot, right states can't like 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:08.920 if they had to take over the management with those 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.760 like where they're gonna get the money to manage those fires, 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.760 let alone road maintenance, let alone law enforcement, and so 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.160 they'd have to sell them. And so I think this 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.600 is not an issue that is new necessarily, it's something 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.280 that's been going on since the beginning, and it's something 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.720 that seems to cycle every fifteen or twenty years. But 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:29.439 right now it seems to be more organized and uh, 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.159 and there's more of a push for it. And I 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.040 think the last thing I would says that in regardless 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.000 you know, whether you hunt or fish on these public lands, 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.359 whether you you know, go camping and huckleberry picking as 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.879 we talked about earlier, like you if you don't do 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:45.480 any of that stuff and spend time on them. I 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.480 think you do care about clean air and clean water, 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.480 and everybody in America should care about that. And like 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.840 same percent of our streams start on national forest lands 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.719 and public lands, and that to me, like that's one 0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.919 of the number one reasons. And you think about somebody 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.600 owning those headwaters and what kind of bear they could 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:05.919 hold you over, you know, on that right And and 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.760 we're going through it right now and Missoula, we're trying 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:12.040 to buy back our public water um because a company 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.240 bought it and they're jacking up our prices, right, I mean, 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.440 think about a foreign on company on in our water 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.280 right now and what that would do to us. So 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.760 I'd like to end on what the aspirational thing again 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:22.240 is that it belongs to all of us. There's a 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:26.640 sixty six billion dollar outdoor economy that's really based on 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.359 our public lands. And if that is not only sustainable, 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.160 it's but something we can grow. So in this great 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.639 day of age and talking about job growth and we 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.639 need to do this, we do that. That's when we 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:44.360 should not mess around with well done. Yeah, I grew 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.440 up similar to sound like what you guys did. I 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.159 grew up in a perural community hunting and moving up 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:50.919 here about a lot of people ask me why do 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:52.320 you what do you have to hunt? Why do you 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.560 choose hunt? And I just wondered if you guys could 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.520 take a couple of minutes to explain um the importance 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:02.359 of wildlife conservation has the different species and what maybe 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.479 it would look like if that if nobody hunted, nobody fished, 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:09.600 and why that wildlife conservation is important. Yeah, that's a 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:11.600 huge question, and I think you could you could approach 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.000 it through the lens of just looking at American history 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.040 in general, or what's going on right now at this moment. 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:23.040 Land a minute ago mentioned you know Roosevelt, uh doo Roosevelt. 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.480 You know he's a wealthy city kid, right, but through 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.520 his adventures through hunting and fishing, he became inspired to 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.639 preserve landscapes. So it inspired him to take it to 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.560 into advocacy on behalf of wild places and wild names. 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.119 There was his avenue of exposure. So that's one of 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:44.920 the things that comes from well how does hunting and 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.399 fishing leave the conservation? That's one ways it awakens people 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.720 to a world out there that they would not have 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:55.040 otherwise known about. In a more pragmatic modern sense. Um, 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:58.560 we have every state has a fishing game agency. Now 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:03.800 you're fishing game agency responsible for habitat enhancement, habitat improvement, 0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:10.040 oftentimes various environmental regulations, enforcement of existing wildlife laws. They do, 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:16.360 disease research, UM, access enhancement, access improvement meaning giving you 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.480 ways to boat launch is, ways to get the water ways, trailerheads, 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.240 to access forest land. Your state fishing game agency does 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.960 all these things, and they work on game animals, but 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.240 you can consider generally consider game animals and in non 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:36.200 games pieces. So the vast majority of the vast majority 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:41.640 of fish birds, wildlife in any given state is our 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.800 non game, not targeted by hunters, not targeted by fishermen, 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.840 but they fall under that same jurisdiction your state fishing 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.080 game agency. Of the fifty state fishing game agencies that 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.920 we have in this country, UM, all of them, sixty 0:28:55.560 --> 0:29:00.280 of their funding comes from hunter and fisherman revenues. So 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.920 we really hunters and fishermen carry the financial burden of 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:10.600 managing wildlife in this country. Another huge way that wildlife 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.560 funding comes from hunters and fishermen is you go back 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.960 to Pittman Robertson Act then the Dingle Johnson Act, and 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:23.240 basically it's excise taxes on equipment. It's very specific to 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.280 hunting and fishing disciplines. In the case of Pittman Robertson, 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.600 this came in under the Wildlife Restoration Act in the 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:35.080 nineteen thirties. It's an excise tax on guns and ammunition 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.440 that generates what's the generator for You're closer billion dollars 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.440 That money that comes from excised tax on any guns 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:50.160 and ammunition. That money goes to his earmarked for wildlife work, 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:55.680 wildlife restoration, habitat improvement work. States are able to get 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.440 that funding if they meet certain criteria. One of those 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:03.240 criteria is that their license sales they're hunting and fishing 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:07.240 license sales have to be spent on core mission. A 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.760 state cannot go in and rampage through their state fishing 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.560 while they have agency and steal there were licensed revenues 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.360 and apply them to other purposes like balancing the budget 0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.480 or and everything like that. If the state follows that 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.480 law and they're using their licensed revenues for wildlife, they 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.560 then can get Pittman Robertson funding, which is money from 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.360 the excise taxes on guns and animal, but they have 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.560 to use that as well. If they don't use it up, 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.960 then it goes into a general fund for migratory while 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.320 migratory bird conservation. So there's a lot of muscle in 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.320 this way, and this is where our funding for wild 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:52.520 life comes from now, as I think in culturally, we're 0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.920 getting to a place for other people other you know, 0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.400 I determined solver use, but other stakeholders are wanting more 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.160 of a say in how we managed wildlife, but we're 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.000 the ones paying for it all. So there's a general, uh, 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.920 there's a general unease in the hunting and fishing community 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.920 when you have other people who are not willing to 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.520 financially kick in, who are wanting a bigger seat at 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.040 the table when it comes to wildlife manage, or they're 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:22.960 taking a perspective it's hostile to our general extracted use 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:27.520 of wildlife resources, extracted but sustainable wildlife resources, yet the 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.080 reluctant to pay in anything. When the Pivot Robertson tax 0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.360 came in in the nine it had overwhelming support among 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.640 manufacturers who were going to certainly see a drop in 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.160 sales because the prices on all their goods were gonna 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:46.600 go about ten overwhelming support with hunters who at the 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:50.320 time honey was about done in America because market hunters, 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:55.560 unregulated hunters who are hunting to supply UH feathers to 0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:01.480 industry for meat to Eastern cities, they had nearly wiped 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.680 out fishing game in this country. So these were people 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:09.920 coming out of like scarcity to say, yes, we will 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.720 pay a tax on all of our hunting and fishing 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.640 equipment in order to build American wildlife back up. Now, 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.800 if you go to other industries, like you go to 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.440 the birding industry, backpacking, skiing, all these people who don't 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:25.360 pay a ship and you ask these industries to kick 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.400 in money and an exercise tax, all they do is 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.280 just they're like, there's no way they could do it. 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.080 We already have too many taxes. Can't do it. So 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:39.480 if you if you have a hostile view of hunters 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.840 and fishermen, you need to really come up with how 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:48.800 you're gonna account for that amount of input, financial input, 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:53.320 and advocacy. Because the people who are out there on 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.680 a day to day basis, like back huntry, hunters and 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.120 anglers who are out there on a day to day 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.800 basis are finding the inspiration and their money is coming 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.560 from that. So I don't really see a way forward, 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.600 and no one has come to me with a way 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.240 forward on how we're going to continue to enjoy the 0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.960 wildlife resources that we have in this country without this 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.640 base of people who have been supporting it since the beginning. 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.560 No one wants to take that question up. It's not 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:28.880 coming from the Humane Society. It's just it's not coming 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:38.800 from anybody. But els is that answer that hi? Um, 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.440 I'm probably one of those people that you're talking about. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:47.160 I'm not really into hunting at all, but I appreciate 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:52.400 the fact that you're saying that you're interested in conservation. UM. 0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:58.520 And I would definitely pay to uh sustain our wild places. 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.520 But that's another topic, I guess. UM. I'd like to 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:08.720 know what your take is on trophy hunting and killing 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.160 animals that people won't eat, like wolves. Um. That's something 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.640 I'm really passionate about, and I'd like to hear your 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.920 point of view on that. Yeah, I'm a troll with 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.360 the owner. If you walk into my house, UM, my 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:31.680 house is is largely decorated with schools of animals that 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:36.560 I wanted. Um, when when I hunt an animal, and 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:41.359 and and we eat it. You know, the meat is ephemeral, right, 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:46.160 we go through it pretty quickly. Uh. Yet I have 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:51.399 these totems, these these like things of remembrance in my home. 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.440 That gives that animal a permanent place of honor in 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.120 my household, becomes something I talk about. I look at 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:03.000 it and remember everything about that trip, who I was with, 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.920 what was going on, the needs of the animals, vulnerabilities. 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.279 That's how I choose to decorate my own UM. I 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.360 think that it's much more beautiful. A skull of an 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.879 animal I hunt is much more beautiful to me than 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.759 any painting could ever be. So that, yeah, trophies are 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.440 a big element of hunting for me. UM. As far 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:29.799 as wolves, my particular view on the wolves is that 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:38.160 I think that it's a moral crime two eliminate native 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:46.160 fauna from the landscape in places where wolves were extirpated 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.759 from from human causes, I think the wolves should be 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.239 present on the landscape like all other large mammals. I 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:59.040 think that sustainable populations of wolves and other predators should 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.959 be managed as a renew old resource to UH at 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:09.239 the discretion at the direction of state wildlife managers. I 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.160 say that because it's a system that has worked exceedingly 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.960 well for the last hundred fifty years UM, and I 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.279 think that any violation of that system is going to 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.960 lead to bigger problems down the road. So I do 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:26.880 support wolf hunts in places where you have sustainable population 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:32.080 of wolves, just as I support any renewable resource extraction 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.400 where you're not gonna harm the long term viability of 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:42.400 the population. So an answer, maybe your first comment first 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.160 is that you'd love to be able to pay into 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.880 the system. And I think one of the things that 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.240 Steve didn't mentioned that was happening during the dirty thirties 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.319 as well, when the kind of lid was falling off 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.600 the prairie, right like, we had this unsustainable farming practices 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:55.879 and all of a sudden, these big the big dust 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.480 will happened. We're in trouble. There's a thing called the 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:00.640 duck stamp that came out of that, and it's this 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.120 thing that all waterfowl hunters have to buy to be 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.080 able to hunt a migratory species. That's something everybody in 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.200 this room can buy as either a collective or something 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.600 that wants to contribute to the conservation of national wildlife 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.440 refuge and by law, I think what nineties and percent 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.920 of that money has to go to buying weatlands have 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:22.719 to So that's our national wildlife refuge system, right, And 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.080 so anybody that cares about birds, and I would love, 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.000 you know, the National Audubon Society to come out and 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.520 say everybody should buy a duck stamp. But you, as 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.400 an individual system, you can do that. You know, my 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.359 kids aren't hunting yet, but I buy him a duck 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.160 stamp every single year, partly for their collections because they're 0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.480 beautiful stamps, but also so I can tell them that 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.960 story on how they're already contributing. So that's the first 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:44.359 one they call the trophy hunting thing for me. Um 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.920 had somebody explain kind of hunts me there today, and 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.920 I thought it was a really good way as that 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.400 that end thing that we do when we pull the trigger. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.439 It's like the very last page of that book. There's 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:59.239 this whole story that comes before that, which to me 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.040 is that trophy piece. And I was lucky enough to 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.800 draw once in a lifetime tag this year in Montana 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:10.520 for a bighorn sheep, very an iconic species that sheep. 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.440 I am going to have that in my house. Is 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.840 a remembrance of that hunt, but the trophy part. And 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.040 I'm gonna remember some of those trophy naps that I 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.319 had up on that hill in the middle of the day, 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.120 when I hiked up feet and chasing these things around. 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.080 I'm by myself, and I wake up like slobbering on 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.359 the side of the mountain, Like I don't ever get 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.960 to take naps anymore. So that like that, that that 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.920 whole skull is gonna remind me of some of those times. 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.520 And um so for me, I think that trophy piece 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.000 um is usually concentrated on that end result when I 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.880 think it's a lot of what brings it forward, at 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:47.920 least for me. Um wolves very controversial issue. I'm like Steve, 0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.600 I'm glad they're back on the landscape. Uh. You know, 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.440 a lot of places I hunt, I don't see a 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:53.920 lot of wolves, but I hear a lot of wolves. 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.440 And if the wolves are around, you know there's game around. 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.200 So one, I think that's pretty cool. I think also mean, 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.319 maybe you've heard the Yellowstone story. You know that these 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.440 elk we're eating the heck out of the willows and 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.319 then the wolves come back. You know, the wheels are 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.239 now growing up now you got beaver again, I get 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.600 better fish populations. I guess this whole ecosystem things. So 0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:16.000 I think it's really great that they're on the landscape. Um, 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.400 but we're not living in a place where humans aren't anymore, 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.600 and we are part of this system and those kind 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.520 of populations that we manage, whether those are game populations 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.120 or non game like, we are engaging in that, whether 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:30.799 we like it or not. And so I think we 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.360 have to have some sort of management of those wolves, 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.160 um that we do just like we do any other species. 0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.760 You know, there's an interesting guy you should read about. 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.080 He's an already explored by the last name is Stephenson, 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:48.839 and he was even in the early around nineteen o three, 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.360 he was making first contact with some Eskimo hunters around 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:56.040 Coronation Golf in Victoria Island in the Canadian High Arctic. 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.880 One thing that this is just the this is this. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.960 I know his favorite wild game was wolf, but the 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.000 main point he spent some time with some hunters who 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.400 would when they would kill a polar bear, they would 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.839 bring the polar bear back to their lodge and they 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:18.799 would leave the polar bear's head in the room. So 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:22.279 the polar bear is facing out towards the family. The 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.920 thinking being this polar bear would observe this family, recognize 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.120 that they were an honorable family, and then he would 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:34.359 report back to other polar bears and say, Hey, if 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.759 someone's gonna kill you, haven't be this guy. He's a 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:43.400 good dude. Um. I don't view it with that level 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:47.080 of spirituality, and I don't want to suggest that I do, 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.960 but I do think that there is an exchange going 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:55.919 on about honor and an exchange going on about your 0:40:56.040 --> 0:41:00.239 value system when you do give these items a ace 0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:04.000 of respect and reverence in your home. I do know 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.880 as well that it doesn't speak to other people. I 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:11.360 have served the first meal of I've served literally hundreds 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:15.319 of people their first wild game dinner. When people come 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.560 into my home and they see that I have skulls 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.120 and animal hides around the home, they never look at that, 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.560 and they I know that they don't see what I see. 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.520 In fact, didn't look at it, and they go like, oh, 0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.439 this guy must be some kind of asshole. Now, when 0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:32.520 they said down, eat a meal of wild game, they 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.680 get really excited all of a sudden. They want to 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.880 go on a hunt. They're real curious. They want to 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.640 talk about this animal. So I recognize that it is 0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:43.560 a it's a divisive thing because I think that it's 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.520 like they're on a certain trip when they see it. 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.759 You know that there are few of the animal has 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:56.359 been sort of tainted or colored by contemporary culture. That 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.160 hasn't happened to the food, though for some reason people 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.600 really respond will of the food. So I do know, 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.479 I know what you're getting. I don't want to seem 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.320 like I'm being a smartass. I know what you're getting 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.479 at about trophies, but I think that I just feel 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.879 like it would be helpful for you to understand one 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:17.319 person relationship to the handlers on the wall in his home. Hi. 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.440 I'm I'm Nolan. I have a kind of a touchy 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.520 subject with this, and it's probably a long so you 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.320 can hopefully narrow it down, but it's touching along well. 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:31.640 It's regarding you know, like predators and hunters and landowners. 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.080 It's like, is there an area in this country where 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:39.080 it currently is working? I mean maybe Canada or something 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.799 like that, but is there a spot where he's in 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:45.239 northeastern Washington. We've had, I mean some spots where you 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:48.320 put in wolves and there's one area that it clearly 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.960 did not work. So I was wondering if there was 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:56.080 some spots where we could look at hopefully replicate for 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.040 this for the state. I think where grizzly bears are 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:03.520 right now in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. UM, I think 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.480 it's working, not without tensions. But I think if you 0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:10.760 look at the distribution of grizzlies in Montana, the current 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:15.680 distribution of grizzlies in Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho of what's 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.800 called g y and then also the Northern Yellowstone eco 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:23.400 or I'm sorry, the Northern Rockies ecosystem current distribution of grizzlies. 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.640 Some biologists argue they're probably at carrying capacity there that 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:29.920 no matter what you do, you're not gonna see more bears. 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:35.120 They don't top the bears themselves won't tolerate denser populations. 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:40.160 If you froze that picture right now, I think you 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:44.719 would find a sustainable model, not without tension. It's not 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.359 without livestock issues, I think from an urban perspective, because 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.640 is the thing I always called Yellowstone syndrome, and it's 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:55.600 like that people's understanding of wildlife ecology and wildlife management 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.600 stems from sort of looking at these Christine bordered chunks 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.040 of place, and they don't pay attention to what it 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.520 actually means for the people who live in this landscape, 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:08.960 who are trying to be involved in cattle ranching, for instance. 0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.120 They don't have a lot of empathy for what it's 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.839 like for someone who's who's raising livestock as a way 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.040 of supporting their family and they're dealing with large predators 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:21.320 on the landscape, like what that means for them. Um. 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:25.399 But in that case, I think that we've we've we've 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.239 hit like a workable situation. Now you talk to people 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:31.680 at the state level, whelming they're leery about bears moving 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.759 out of that area there. They're they're leery about the 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:41.280 east eastward southward expansion of grizzly bears because people feel 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.839 like outside of this core area, which is about chunk 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.880 of land the size of Indiana. Outside of this core area, 0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:55.080 conflict is gonna outweigh benefit. That's open to debate. I'm 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:56.880 not even sure how I feel about a person, but 0:44:56.920 --> 0:45:00.680 I think that I think that um, in fifty years 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.440 and a hundred years, we could very well have that 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:09.880 many grizzlies living on that many square miles and it 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:15.080 being a peaceful relationship. We're all interests could be like 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:20.040 it's working, it's okay, um, And it came about through 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:23.399 a lot of through a lot of fighting, a lot 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:27.080 of infighting. But if it's working now, I think grizzlies 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.360 could work in some more places too. They can't work everywhere. 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.440 If you look at the historic distribution of grizzlies, it's 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.840 from about where the Missouri River, you know, the Missouri 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:41.520 hooks southward from there out to um the Pacific Coast. 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.440 I pointed on the outfit, I wrote the New York Times, 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:48.200 when you when you're looking at grizzlies, don't confuse Golden 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.640 Gate Park with Yellowstone Park. Right we will never have 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.839 full recovery, which would mean grizzlies right here. It's just 0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.960 not gonna happen. So there's always like ideal, like your idealistic, 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.840 do you we'd recover them everywhere. It's just not pragmatic. 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.120 It's not gonna have. But there are places where I 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.919 would argue this, where do you feel like it's working there? Yeah? 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:12.759 I mean I give you a real specific one, and 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.719 it's in the Blackfoot Valley, so just outside of Miszoola 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:19.080 where I'm from. River runs through it. Know about that 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:21.320 book or that movie, right, So that's where the Blackfoot 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.319 River is. And they came together a long time ago 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.160 as a ranching community and said, we want to keep 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.840 this place, uh the way it is right now. And 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.040 so they first coalesced around wheats, right. Wheat invasion is 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.480 really bad for the native grass that their their cows 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.759 are eating. So they first came around and they came 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.439 around around access that a bunch of hunters always knocking 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:42.440 on their doors, and that's kind of where there's private 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.800 public access to private land program. That's how they successful 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.759 in Montana came from. So now as there's this is 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.000 this borders for those in other landscape, there's the Bob 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.560 Marsha Wilderness and Glacier Park above that. So it's this 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.520 huge complex of wild land. And so you've had grizzly 0:46:57.560 --> 0:46:59.080 bears in there for a long time, if they're coming 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.279 back even more, and now the wolves have kind of 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:03.920 exploded on there. And so in that same context of 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:08.279 trying to keep their places similar, they're doing a lot 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.080 of work with a local nonprofit called Blackfoot Challenge, and 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:13.920 that's a specific group you could reach out to and 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.080 ask that exact question. And so there's you know, when 0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:18.960 there's a grizzly bear in the area, everybody knows kind 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.160 of where it is, and so they are you know, 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.040 doing different things to kind of avoid that. One of 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:25.640 the practices they used to do is every time they 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:27.319 had a dead cow, they go put it in the 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.960 bone yard. But what does that do? That brings in 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.960 grizzly bears that are hungry, right, and so instead of 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.160 doing that, they're burning those animals now and making sure 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.239 that's not an attractive Another one would be like like uh, 0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.760 bee hives, be hives becoming more and more popular. Everybody 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:45.480 likes having their own honey, right, and and so um 0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:49.239 uh they are electrifying fences around that now before they 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.759 kind of we're having to live with grizzlies or that 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:57.360 they have this uh um, I guess respect for them. Uh, 0:47:57.480 --> 0:47:59.080 those bears are getting in trouble and those bears are 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.120 getting killed. So now like these bears that are avoiding 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.600 people all the time because they get in trouble when 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.080 they're mountain people. Before it was just like a big 0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.920 free for all, and so um, I think that's a 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:15.160 specific place to work. I think that Steve's right that, um, 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.280 the greater Yellowstone Area and the Northern Rockies as a 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:19.799 as a whole a great place to look. But that's 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:25.680 a real specifical one, you know. I think that, yeah, creation, 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:28.960 I mean, it's such a rid rich subject because I 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:30.840 don't know if anybody need to realize. You guys know 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.960 that you have a heard of caribou in your state 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:40.600 that flirts with the border. So there are now about 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:45.480 a dozen caribou left in the US, and they're right 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:48.160 at this very second, probably none are in the US, 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.320 but there's a population of a dozen, you know, Mountain 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:57.920 caribos some people call the woodland cariboo that moved between Washington, Idaho. 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:03.200 The Montana ones are gone gone. Now, when you have 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:08.840 a population of one dozen animals, losing an animal to 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.560 predator to a predator is a humongous deal. If you 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.560 have two d you can support some predation. But when 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.480 you have a dozen and you lose a female, that's 0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.680 a major blow. It could be the thing that means 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:25.120 that we will not have those things anymore. People tend 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.200 to really like those sort of like calendar animals and 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:32.200 for whatever reason, um, you know, like a New Jersey 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.439 cat lady is not inspired by a caribou the way 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:41.200 she is by a wolf. So by playing our favorites 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.839 and by using even things like the Endangered Species Act 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.240 and turning it into a sort of my favorite animal 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.480 protection Act, we eve in some ways shot ourselves in 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.840 the foot when it comes to while they manned because 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:56.279 people really don't want they want to be like I 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.239 love wolves. Hurting wolves is bad. Anyone wants to kill 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:02.040 a wolf as a terre whole person and not looking 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.720 out and also trying to measure it with this idea 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.640 of we're trying to say one doesn't care you. Once 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.040 they're gone, you will not get them back. They can 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:12.759 do a thing right now, like they can take care 0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:14.839 of you from other locations and bring care of them 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:21.040 into Washington and Idaho to supplement this existing doesn't when 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.839 those doesn't vanish, and it could happen anytime. You will 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.200 never have the political cloud and the financial stuff to 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:32.120 just do an outright reintroduction of bringing carebo and it 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:35.000 will not happen. So if you talk to someone who 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:39.520 works on this careb who heard and then you want 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.719 to talk about predator management with them, you will get 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.879 a very different picture than what you think of when 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.200 you think of some you know, meanal rancher who doesn't 0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:52.920 want wolves killing off his cabs. It's a rich subject, 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.680 and I think that when you're gonna weigh in with opinions, 0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:58.880 you kind of have an obligation to go look at 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.520 the whole braw a picture of what's going on out there. 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.560 There are many different viewpoints than, many different interests than 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:09.799 what you might feel by, you know, looking at some 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.200 picture on Facebook that blows up because it's a guy 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.239 that shout a bold it took a picture of them 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.880 sitting there with It's a lot more afflic I just 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:21.200 said a question. Uh, So I've never really thought about 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:26.520 the public land ownership and uh having ownership in that myself, 0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:30.200 and just relatively recently the last couple of years, I've 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:32.920 gone out to some of the national parks in Utah 0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:35.560 and then also some of the state parks here in Washington, 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:40.560 UH and really just started appreciating those are are kind 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:46.480 of our best national resources and exposure to uh some 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.920 of the stuff going on to where that could eventually 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:54.440 go away or change hands or not be uh in 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.640 the same format in our future. UM has really kind 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.799 of uh I've gotten interested in that subject through this. 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:05.080 But are there things that we can do, uh to 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.040 kind of get engaged in the protection of public lands 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.319 or or what can we do as kind of individuals 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.600 are new to this, uh to kind of help with 0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.960 that cost. Yeah, that's a great quat that left lands 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.920 and dark that most But I'll just point out that 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.720 I grew up at the southern terminus of Manistee National Forest. 0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:26.279 Our view of it was that it somehow fell from 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:32.160 the sky right. We used it all the time, never 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.840 gave an inkling of thought to how it came to 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.040 be and what would what do we need to do 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:42.799 to make sure it continues to exist. It's like you know, apathy. Yeah, 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.279 app here's lack of awareness about what it is that 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.640 it's actually like in this ongoing fight, and that we're 0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:54.120 still having this national debate about the validity of publicly 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:58.000 owned land. UM. In my mind, one of the biggest 0:52:58.040 --> 0:53:01.120 steps sort of preserving our public lands is for people 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:03.920 to become aware of how they came to be and 0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:09.280 to understand that there are still people questioning our intent 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:13.360 and making them UM. But I think that just basic 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:15.880 awareness seems to drive a lot of action as far 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:20.640 as specific action, Uh, I think land should speak there. Yeah, 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.160 I mean I can be selfish and put a plug 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.240 in for back countree hunters and anglers join us today. 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.920 And I think besides building numbers for us so we 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.800 have more cloud when we go out to Washington, d C, 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.799 it's it also places to educate yourself and we also 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.799 make it easy for you to engage. And a lot 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.880 of people in this political climate right now or just 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:42.919 in general, don't think that your voice counts anymore. And 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.800 you know, like making a phone call, sending an email, 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.680 writing a letter to the editor at your at your 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.000 local newspaper, I think it doesn't matter. And I'm gonna 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.800 tell you that's exact opposite. Every time we talk to 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.000 politicians out in d C. They know when there's actually 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.239 real noise happening out there, and they care about being reelected. 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:05.920 Their constituents matter to them. And so that phone call 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:09.200 we talk about it. If they start to get about 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:11.239 ten phone calls, they start to pay attention, they get 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.120 a hunting phone calls. Let me tell you what they're 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:16.080 paying attention. And so I think the more people are 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.120 engaging that way, I think it's an important thing. Um 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.480 and it's not. I mean there's basically if you talk 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.000 to those centers and talk to their staff like you're 0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.040 not talking unless you know that center, you're probably not 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:28.520 gonna be able to talk to them unless you see 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.880 them at an event. So their staff is the one 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:32.600 picking up the phone and they got a little checklist 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.719 they're keeping score, right, and here's where we hear it 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:36.000 on this side here and we're hear it on the other. 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.520 The same thing with emails. I would say that, um, 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:41.839 you know, will help you craft emails, but the more 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:46.080 you do that yourself, that counts a little bit more. UM. 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.319 And again, I think we can help you do that. 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.719 But a lot of people want to have apathy like 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.560 he's talking about, Oh, they're just here and they're always 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.880 going to be here, or others think that their voices 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.640 don't count. I will tell you that it may feel 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:01.000 like that, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. Um. 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:02.799 The last thing I would say is that, you know, 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:04.920 part of the reason we're having this discussion is because 0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.120 some people want to see management improved on our federally 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.040 managed public lands. I would agree with that, and so 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.960 there's opportunities to get involved, like get a travel management 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.680 level plan or a resource level of plan, and so 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.680 you have input on the local place where you're going. Um. 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:20.960 They you know, a lot of there's a lot of 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.399 talk about last DC ton us what to do. Those 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.560 decisions get made at a local level. UM. So that's 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:29.080 kind of like the Short and Dirty become a member 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:31.560 not just of US, but of other conservation organizations that 0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:33.640 are engaged in this public land's fight. We worked with 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.000 a large smattering. I would say that one of the 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:39.000 great things that I've noticed here in the last couple 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.560 of years, it's like outdoor users have their own groups, 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:46.160 like the International Mountain Biking Association, the Kayakers. They're starting 0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:48.040 to come to this issue because of the threats that 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:49.880 there is, and they understand. And I talked to a 0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.880 woman who's a member of ours this last weekend arena. 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:56.520 She's a big long distance a question rider like she 0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:59.440 rides horses. That's what she does. Like she's going thousand 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:03.279 miles ride. Where can you do that anywhere else? And 0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:06.120 she came to us again, it's a plug for us, 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:07.960 but we're being this isn't really the issue that we 0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:10.919 work on his public land strictly, and so no matter what, 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:12.880 we're gonna be standing up for him. She saw us 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:15.600 being consistent on that time and time again, so that's 0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:18.080 why she's a member of ours, And to me, UM, 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:19.640 that's again we all have a stake in this. I 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:23.200 don't care if you hunt or fish, ride horses, pickuckle berries, 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:25.319 or just enjoy the clean air and clean water. We 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:28.719 have to do something and if not, we're gonna be 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:30.560 sitting there in a few years and being like man, 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.360 I wish I would have done something, and by then 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:35.239 it's gonna be too late. I think it support you 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.800 to understand at this point it's not strictly a partners 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:43.000 an issue at all. UM. The incoming head of Interior 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:48.320 Department has stated several times that he has no interest 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:53.439 in seeing our federal lands liquidated. The incoming president has had, 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:58.520 you know, sometimes some somewhat conflicting messages, but has stated 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.719 he's not interested in saying off our public lands. Yet 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:06.120 other people within their political party UM have advocated on 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:10.440 behalf of selling off publican federal public lands. So it's 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:15.200 not really decided yet. I think that whatever party you affiliate, 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:17.960 I think you need to bring it up to your 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:22.160 representatives and let them know because hopefully it won't become 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:27.160 something that's just like this, this binary Republican Democrat battle 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.600 is not shaping out to be that way. So I 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.560 think that you need to speak up to your representatives 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.600 to just like just like Land saying, to make sure 0:57:34.640 --> 0:57:37.240 that it doesn't become something that it falls along party lines. 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.400 Right now, there's people advocating on both halfs, and like 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:44.680 Land mentioned earlier, we have a great um sustainable economy 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.880 built around public lands, and so we need to speak 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.400 to the business aspect of it too. I hate being 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.400 in a situation of trying to justify things of beauty 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:57.280 in terms of finance, but in this case, I think 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:58.960 it makes sense. I think it's useful to do it, 0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:06.600 Like how many coffee drinkers use public lands? Oh right, 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.320 so Steve, we're coming up on our time. Is uh, 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.720 what haven't we asked? What can we wrap it up with? 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:17.120 What kind of knowledge can you drop on us? Like 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:20.720 a concluding bob concluding that? What's the concluding thoughts? I 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.080 never thought I was gonna say that, Yeah, that's one. 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:29.080 I don't have one. Oh, I was thinking still about 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:32.000 predators on this wo woman asked about it just like 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.880 a place in the United States where it seems to work. 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.440 And I was just thinking about like one of those 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.160 common predators it's out there. But again it's not one 0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:44.880 of those calendar animals, but the coyote that specys enjoying 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:50.400 great um, you know, population growth all across our country. 0:58:50.520 --> 0:58:53.520 It's everywhere now, Like you know, we grew up in Michigan, 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.680 never had in kiots growing up. You know, now they're 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.440 all over Michigan and all over the Eastern Seaboard and 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.920 it's cool, it's neat. They seem to be balancing and 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.320 make them do and the people that are seen them 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.520 are so far interested in them. That could change as 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.840 soon as you know, a people more cats and small 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.600 kids getting nipped, you know, in Central Park. People might 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:16.120 not have the same view on kyotes, but I feel 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.920 like all across our country coyotes and people are making 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.040 do you know, yeah, we got kyot in places at 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:27.880 the time of European contact there word okayo right um yeah. 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:30.160 Another thing in that way, if you look at we 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:34.920 talked about wolves and grizzlies, um and how they fitting 0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.600 out and occupy historic range. I alviously think it's helpful 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:42.480 to point out that elk only occupy about I think 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.200 it's about four ten or four ten or fourteen percent 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:48.160 of the historic range. At the time of European contact, 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:52.520 you had elk across the United States of America, So 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:56.240 you know, like elk are we've really accepted elk as 0:59:56.240 --> 0:59:58.880 sort of this like iconic big game animal. Right we 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:01.840 have how many there's what a couple hundred dollars and 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:06.040 elk whelming as two hundred l Colorado is more than 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:11.560 app all over the place. Um, but we haven't even 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:15.720 begun the recovery built if you think about it in 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:19.120 terms of east of the Mississippi River. So I think 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:22.880 that when we look at our large predators and we 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:25.360 sort of weigh, like, what would recovery look like, what 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:27.680 does sustainability look like? I think it's important to keep 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:31.600 that in mind. We've definitely accepted elk as a renewable resource, 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:35.040 but again, they occupy a ten percent of their historic 1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:39.640 range here. Um, It's it's a very these issues are 1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:43.720 very complicated, and I think that if you're interested, if 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:45.800 you owe it yourself to kind of start to understand 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:49.560 the historic context of some of the decisions we're making 1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:55.680 right now. Uh my closing thought, I mean to thank 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.320 Chad for bringing us in here. You know, I think, um, 1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:02.360 when I uh for sure that we're coming in here, 1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:03.840 I didn't know what kind of crowd would have. You know, 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:05.840 I don't know if there's anna two people or honor people. 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:07.400 I didn't know what kind of questions they are gonna 1:01:07.400 --> 1:01:09.880 be asking. The question and diversity of questions today are 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:11.880 super impressive to me. The size of the crowd are 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:18.240 super impressive. I think that for me, um ah, that's enlightening. 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:21.600 And I think, you know again, these public lands, because 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:23.560 I'm gonna leave you with they belong to all of 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:26.840 us and it's up to us to keep them that way. 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.960 And you know, I I hope that you all start 1:01:30.000 --> 1:01:32.240 to educate yourself a little bit more on this issue, 1:01:32.760 --> 1:01:35.160 that you do get engaged. This is still a democracy 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:39.120 that can work and should work. But the squeaky wheel 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:41.560 gets the grease, and if they're hearing from somebody else, 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:45.000 they're not hearing from people that care about public lands, 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.720 then we're gonna lose. And you know, we've had a 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:51.160 lot of conversations about kids today and that's the part 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.920 that I think my kids are hopefully going to have 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:57.000 the same opportunity as I did. But believe me, that 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.080 can slip away in the generation and you think about 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:02.080 the future generations and what this country that we tried 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.440 to set up differently where it was much more of 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:10.200 a democracy that led things than you know, oligarchy. Let's 1:02:10.280 --> 1:02:11.920 let's keep it that way. And this is one of 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:13.400 those ways that I think we can do that. And 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:15.240 so I think that takes everybody from all walks of 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:17.120 life to be able to do that, and we're you know, 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.160 it's hundreds of anglers were just a small piece of that. 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:21.720 So that's where I did. Yeah, I don't know one 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:24.080 to ask about the relative merits of eight by thirty 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:31.880 over ten by fifty four over prism acts question, because 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:33.600 that would have stopped me and I would have passed 1:02:33.640 --> 1:02:38.680 that right to you. All right, thank you very much, Steve. 1:02:38.800 --> 1:02:40.440 I just want to appreciate you guys coming in you 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:44.320 j honest and and Lamb flu In from Montana to 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:46.640 be here with us today. Steve's a local boy now, 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:48.800 but I don't be claimed Stanley. Do you claim us 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:55.200 as your home undeniable right right here? Yeah, I'm still 1:02:55.200 --> 1:02:57.520 a little sad about that. So I can we get 1:02:57.520 --> 1:03:01.000 around of blast where I guess today. Thank you. Two 1:03:01.040 --> 1:03:03.840 defeats in qual