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Speaker 1: Stephen Ronella, along with Land Tawny and Janice who tell

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Speaker 1: Right here to my right is Land Tawny as the

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Speaker 1: Jana spent over twelve years guiding sportsmen and women on

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Speaker 1: TV show. And our guest of honor is Stephen Ronella.

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Speaker 1: Stephen is an accomplished writer, an avid outdoorsman, a skilled chef,

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Speaker 1: include the Scavengers, Guide to Oak Quisine, American Buffalo in

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Speaker 1: the Life of American Hunter. American Buffalo won a number

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Speaker 1: of awards, including the Circuit de Olson Nature Writing Award

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Speaker 1: Starbucks is acting with courage, challenging the status quo, can

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Speaker 1: So today, let's act with courage and have an open

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Speaker 1: for coming down. It was some months ago that Chad

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Speaker 1: back around you and n like that was something new.

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Speaker 1: And at that time when he did that, it wasn't

430
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: like everybody around the country was like this is a

431
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: great idea. When he did that, it was to make

432
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Speaker 1: sure that we have these lands in perpetuity and that

433
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: they could continually use for conservation. That doesn't mean that

434
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: you set up and you lock them away. That means

435
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,719
Speaker 1: you still have timber harvest. That means you still have crazin.

436
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: It means you still have resource extraction. That means you

437
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: still have hunting and fishing and perpetuity. But it's that

438
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: multiple use that I think is the general idea of

439
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: public lands that really sets us aside from any other

440
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: country in this world. Now, I mentioned that there was

441
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: some folks when theyot Roosevelt kind of started this process

442
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: that didn't want him to do that. From my home

443
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: state of Montana, Senator Wyoming, Senator Idaho, Senator they fought him.

444
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: And so there's still those people that want to kind

445
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: of take that for themselves. And so why do they

446
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: want to take that for themselves. Well, they feel like

447
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: there's too much regulation at a federal level and they

448
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: want to like those resources. That's one of them. The

449
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: second one is that they want to take them for themselves,

450
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: and so they have their own private hunting grounds or

451
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: their own kind of private playground, I would say, And

452
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: so neither one of those I think help us in

453
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: our American ideals. Now, the specific question that Matt asked

454
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: around transfer to the states. So this idea of transfer

455
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: to the states, again there's more of local control, we

456
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: can do more with those resources, and the federal government

457
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: can like that starts to sound okay. Now, what's a

458
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: problem with that is since statehood, when these states first

459
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: were granted lands, when they became the states, they've been

460
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: divesting those lands. They've been selling those lands. And so

461
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: why they do that, Well, they're they're set up to

462
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: create money, and that's it's not that multiple use anymore

463
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: that I talked about earlier, and so I think, um,

464
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, are set up to make money and and

465
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: so right away I think those resources aren't sustainable and

466
00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 1: so they either rape and village and then divest them

467
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: or they can't management the first place, you think about

468
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: all the fires, think about the fire season that it's

469
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: been in the news a lot, right states can't like

470
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: if they had to take over the management with those

471
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: like where they're gonna get the money to manage those fires,

472
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: let alone road maintenance, let alone law enforcement, and so

473
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: they'd have to sell them. And so I think this

474
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: is not an issue that is new necessarily, it's something

475
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: that's been going on since the beginning, and it's something

476
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: that seems to cycle every fifteen or twenty years. But

477
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: right now it seems to be more organized and uh,

478
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: and there's more of a push for it. And I

479
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: think the last thing I would says that in regardless

480
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, whether you hunt or fish on these public lands,

481
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: whether you you know, go camping and huckleberry picking as

482
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, like you if you don't do

483
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: any of that stuff and spend time on them. I

484
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: think you do care about clean air and clean water,

485
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: and everybody in America should care about that. And like

486
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: same percent of our streams start on national forest lands

487
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: and public lands, and that to me, like that's one

488
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: of the number one reasons. And you think about somebody

489
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: owning those headwaters and what kind of bear they could

490
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: hold you over, you know, on that right And and

491
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: we're going through it right now and Missoula, we're trying

492
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: to buy back our public water um because a company

493
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: bought it and they're jacking up our prices, right, I mean,

494
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: think about a foreign on company on in our water

495
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: right now and what that would do to us. So

496
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to end on what the aspirational thing again

497
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: is that it belongs to all of us. There's a

498
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: sixty six billion dollar outdoor economy that's really based on

499
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: our public lands. And if that is not only sustainable,

500
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: it's but something we can grow. So in this great

501
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: day of age and talking about job growth and we

502
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: need to do this, we do that. That's when we

503
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: should not mess around with well done. Yeah, I grew

504
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: up similar to sound like what you guys did. I

505
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: grew up in a perural community hunting and moving up

506
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: here about a lot of people ask me why do

507
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you what do you have to hunt? Why do you

508
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: choose hunt? And I just wondered if you guys could

509
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: take a couple of minutes to explain um the importance

510
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: of wildlife conservation has the different species and what maybe

511
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: it would look like if that if nobody hunted, nobody fished,

512
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: and why that wildlife conservation is important. Yeah, that's a

513
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: huge question, and I think you could you could approach

514
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: it through the lens of just looking at American history

515
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: in general, or what's going on right now at this moment.

516
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: Land a minute ago mentioned you know Roosevelt, uh doo Roosevelt.

517
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Speaker 1: You know he's a wealthy city kid, right, but through

518
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: his adventures through hunting and fishing, he became inspired to

519
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: preserve landscapes. So it inspired him to take it to

520
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: into advocacy on behalf of wild places and wild names.

521
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: There was his avenue of exposure. So that's one of

522
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: the things that comes from well how does hunting and

523
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: fishing leave the conservation? That's one ways it awakens people

524
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: to a world out there that they would not have

525
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: otherwise known about. In a more pragmatic modern sense. Um,

526
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: we have every state has a fishing game agency. Now

527
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you're fishing game agency responsible for habitat enhancement, habitat improvement,

528
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: oftentimes various environmental regulations, enforcement of existing wildlife laws. They do,

529
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: disease research, UM, access enhancement, access improvement meaning giving you

530
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: ways to boat launch is, ways to get the water ways, trailerheads,

531
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: to access forest land. Your state fishing game agency does

532
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: all these things, and they work on game animals, but

533
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you can consider generally consider game animals and in non

534
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: games pieces. So the vast majority of the vast majority

535
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: of fish birds, wildlife in any given state is our

536
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: non game, not targeted by hunters, not targeted by fishermen,

537
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: but they fall under that same jurisdiction your state fishing

538
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: game agency. Of the fifty state fishing game agencies that

539
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: we have in this country, UM, all of them, sixty

540
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: of their funding comes from hunter and fisherman revenues. So

541
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: we really hunters and fishermen carry the financial burden of

542
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: managing wildlife in this country. Another huge way that wildlife

543
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: funding comes from hunters and fishermen is you go back

544
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: to Pittman Robertson Act then the Dingle Johnson Act, and

545
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: basically it's excise taxes on equipment. It's very specific to

546
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing disciplines. In the case of Pittman Robertson,

547
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: this came in under the Wildlife Restoration Act in the

548
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. It's an excise tax on guns and ammunition

549
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: that generates what's the generator for You're closer billion dollars

550
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: That money that comes from excised tax on any guns

551
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: and ammunition. That money goes to his earmarked for wildlife work,

552
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: wildlife restoration, habitat improvement work. States are able to get

553
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: that funding if they meet certain criteria. One of those

554
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: criteria is that their license sales they're hunting and fishing

555
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: license sales have to be spent on core mission. A

556
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: state cannot go in and rampage through their state fishing

557
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: while they have agency and steal there were licensed revenues

558
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: and apply them to other purposes like balancing the budget

559
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: or and everything like that. If the state follows that

560
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: law and they're using their licensed revenues for wildlife, they

561
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: then can get Pittman Robertson funding, which is money from

562
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: the excise taxes on guns and animal, but they have

563
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: to use that as well. If they don't use it up,

564
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: then it goes into a general fund for migratory while

565
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: migratory bird conservation. So there's a lot of muscle in

566
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: this way, and this is where our funding for wild

567
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: life comes from now, as I think in culturally, we're

568
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: getting to a place for other people other you know,

569
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: I determined solver use, but other stakeholders are wanting more

570
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: of a say in how we managed wildlife, but we're

571
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: the ones paying for it all. So there's a general, uh,

572
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: there's a general unease in the hunting and fishing community

573
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: when you have other people who are not willing to

574
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: financially kick in, who are wanting a bigger seat at

575
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: the table when it comes to wildlife manage, or they're

576
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: taking a perspective it's hostile to our general extracted use

577
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: of wildlife resources, extracted but sustainable wildlife resources, yet the

578
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: reluctant to pay in anything. When the Pivot Robertson tax

579
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: came in in the nine it had overwhelming support among

580
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: manufacturers who were going to certainly see a drop in

581
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: sales because the prices on all their goods were gonna

582
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: go about ten overwhelming support with hunters who at the

583
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: time honey was about done in America because market hunters,

584
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: unregulated hunters who are hunting to supply UH feathers to

585
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: industry for meat to Eastern cities, they had nearly wiped

586
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: out fishing game in this country. So these were people

587
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: coming out of like scarcity to say, yes, we will

588
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: pay a tax on all of our hunting and fishing

589
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: equipment in order to build American wildlife back up. Now,

590
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: if you go to other industries, like you go to

591
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: the birding industry, backpacking, skiing, all these people who don't

592
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: pay a ship and you ask these industries to kick

593
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: in money and an exercise tax, all they do is

594
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: just they're like, there's no way they could do it.

595
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: We already have too many taxes. Can't do it. So

596
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: if you if you have a hostile view of hunters

597
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: and fishermen, you need to really come up with how

598
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna account for that amount of input, financial input,

599
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: and advocacy. Because the people who are out there on

600
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: a day to day basis, like back huntry, hunters and

601
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: anglers who are out there on a day to day

602
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: basis are finding the inspiration and their money is coming

603
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: from that. So I don't really see a way forward,

604
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: and no one has come to me with a way

605
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: forward on how we're going to continue to enjoy the

606
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: wildlife resources that we have in this country without this

607
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: base of people who have been supporting it since the beginning.

608
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: No one wants to take that question up. It's not

609
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: coming from the Humane Society. It's just it's not coming

610
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: from anybody. But els is that answer that hi? Um,

611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm probably one of those people that you're talking about.

612
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm not really into hunting at all, but I appreciate

613
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: the fact that you're saying that you're interested in conservation. UM.

614
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: And I would definitely pay to uh sustain our wild places.

615
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: But that's another topic, I guess. UM. I'd like to

616
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: know what your take is on trophy hunting and killing

617
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: animals that people won't eat, like wolves. Um. That's something

618
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm really passionate about, and I'd like to hear your

619
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: point of view on that. Yeah, I'm a troll with

620
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: the owner. If you walk into my house, UM, my

621
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: house is is largely decorated with schools of animals that

622
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I wanted. Um, when when I hunt an animal, and

623
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: and and we eat it. You know, the meat is ephemeral, right,

624
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: we go through it pretty quickly. Uh. Yet I have

625
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: these totems, these these like things of remembrance in my home.

626
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: That gives that animal a permanent place of honor in

627
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: my household, becomes something I talk about. I look at

628
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: it and remember everything about that trip, who I was with,

629
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: what was going on, the needs of the animals, vulnerabilities.

630
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: That's how I choose to decorate my own UM. I

631
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: think that it's much more beautiful. A skull of an

632
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: animal I hunt is much more beautiful to me than

633
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: any painting could ever be. So that, yeah, trophies are

634
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: a big element of hunting for me. UM. As far

635
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: as wolves, my particular view on the wolves is that

636
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's a moral crime two eliminate native

637
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: fauna from the landscape in places where wolves were extirpated

638
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: from from human causes, I think the wolves should be

639
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: present on the landscape like all other large mammals. I

640
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: think that sustainable populations of wolves and other predators should

641
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: be managed as a renew old resource to UH at

642
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: the discretion at the direction of state wildlife managers. I

643
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: say that because it's a system that has worked exceedingly

644
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: well for the last hundred fifty years UM, and I

645
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: think that any violation of that system is going to

646
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: lead to bigger problems down the road. So I do

647
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: support wolf hunts in places where you have sustainable population

648
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: of wolves, just as I support any renewable resource extraction

649
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: where you're not gonna harm the long term viability of

650
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: the population. So an answer, maybe your first comment first

651
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: is that you'd love to be able to pay into

652
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: the system. And I think one of the things that

653
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: Steve didn't mentioned that was happening during the dirty thirties

654
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: as well, when the kind of lid was falling off

655
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: the prairie, right like, we had this unsustainable farming practices

656
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, these big the big dust

657
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: will happened. We're in trouble. There's a thing called the

658
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: duck stamp that came out of that, and it's this

659
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: thing that all waterfowl hunters have to buy to be

660
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: able to hunt a migratory species. That's something everybody in

661
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: this room can buy as either a collective or something

662
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: that wants to contribute to the conservation of national wildlife

663
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: refuge and by law, I think what nineties and percent

664
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: of that money has to go to buying weatlands have

665
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: to So that's our national wildlife refuge system, right, And

666
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: so anybody that cares about birds, and I would love,

667
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, the National Audubon Society to come out and

668
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: say everybody should buy a duck stamp. But you, as

669
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: an individual system, you can do that. You know, my

670
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: kids aren't hunting yet, but I buy him a duck

671
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: stamp every single year, partly for their collections because they're

672
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: beautiful stamps, but also so I can tell them that

673
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: story on how they're already contributing. So that's the first

674
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: one they call the trophy hunting thing for me. Um

675
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: had somebody explain kind of hunts me there today, and

676
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really good way as that

677
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: that end thing that we do when we pull the trigger.

678
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: It's like the very last page of that book. There's

679
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: this whole story that comes before that, which to me

680
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: is that trophy piece. And I was lucky enough to

681
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: draw once in a lifetime tag this year in Montana

682
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: for a bighorn sheep, very an iconic species that sheep.

683
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: I am going to have that in my house. Is

684
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: a remembrance of that hunt, but the trophy part. And

685
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember some of those trophy naps that I

686
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: had up on that hill in the middle of the day,

687
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: when I hiked up feet and chasing these things around.

688
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm by myself, and I wake up like slobbering on

689
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain, Like I don't ever get

690
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: to take naps anymore. So that like that, that that

691
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: whole skull is gonna remind me of some of those times.

692
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: And um so for me, I think that trophy piece

693
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: um is usually concentrated on that end result when I

694
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of what brings it forward, at

695
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: least for me. Um wolves very controversial issue. I'm like Steve,

696
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad they're back on the landscape. Uh. You know,

697
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: a lot of places I hunt, I don't see a

698
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of wolves, but I hear a lot of wolves.

699
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: And if the wolves are around, you know there's game around.

700
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: So one, I think that's pretty cool. I think also mean,

701
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: maybe you've heard the Yellowstone story. You know that these

702
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: elk we're eating the heck out of the willows and

703
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: then the wolves come back. You know, the wheels are

704
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: now growing up now you got beaver again, I get

705
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: better fish populations. I guess this whole ecosystem things. So

706
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: I think it's really great that they're on the landscape. Um,

707
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: but we're not living in a place where humans aren't anymore,

708
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: and we are part of this system and those kind

709
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: of populations that we manage, whether those are game populations

710
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: or non game like, we are engaging in that, whether

711
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: we like it or not. And so I think we

712
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: have to have some sort of management of those wolves,

713
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: um that we do just like we do any other species.

714
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, there's an interesting guy you should read about.

715
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: He's an already explored by the last name is Stephenson,

716
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: and he was even in the early around nineteen o three,

717
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: he was making first contact with some Eskimo hunters around

718
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Coronation Golf in Victoria Island in the Canadian High Arctic.

719
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: One thing that this is just the this is this.

720
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: I know his favorite wild game was wolf, but the

721
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: main point he spent some time with some hunters who

722
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: would when they would kill a polar bear, they would

723
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: bring the polar bear back to their lodge and they

724
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: would leave the polar bear's head in the room. So

725
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: the polar bear is facing out towards the family. The

726
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: thinking being this polar bear would observe this family, recognize

727
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: that they were an honorable family, and then he would

728
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: report back to other polar bears and say, Hey, if

729
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: someone's gonna kill you, haven't be this guy. He's a

730
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: good dude. Um. I don't view it with that level

731
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: of spirituality, and I don't want to suggest that I do,

732
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: but I do think that there is an exchange going

733
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: on about honor and an exchange going on about your

734
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: value system when you do give these items a ace

735
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: of respect and reverence in your home. I do know

736
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: as well that it doesn't speak to other people. I

737
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: have served the first meal of I've served literally hundreds

738
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: of people their first wild game dinner. When people come

739
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: into my home and they see that I have skulls

740
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: and animal hides around the home, they never look at that,

741
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: and they I know that they don't see what I see.

742
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: In fact, didn't look at it, and they go like, oh,

743
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: this guy must be some kind of asshole. Now, when

744
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: they said down, eat a meal of wild game, they

745
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: get really excited all of a sudden. They want to

746
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: go on a hunt. They're real curious. They want to

747
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: talk about this animal. So I recognize that it is

748
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: a it's a divisive thing because I think that it's

749
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: like they're on a certain trip when they see it.

750
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: You know that there are few of the animal has

751
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: been sort of tainted or colored by contemporary culture. That

752
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: hasn't happened to the food, though for some reason people

753
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: really respond will of the food. So I do know,

754
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: I know what you're getting. I don't want to seem

755
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: like I'm being a smartass. I know what you're getting

756
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 1: at about trophies, but I think that I just feel

757
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: like it would be helpful for you to understand one

758
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: person relationship to the handlers on the wall in his home. Hi.

759
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Nolan. I have a kind of a touchy

760
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: subject with this, and it's probably a long so you

761
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: can hopefully narrow it down, but it's touching along well.

762
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: It's regarding you know, like predators and hunters and landowners.

763
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like, is there an area in this country where

764
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: it currently is working? I mean maybe Canada or something

765
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: like that, but is there a spot where he's in

766
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: northeastern Washington. We've had, I mean some spots where you

767
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: put in wolves and there's one area that it clearly

768
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: did not work. So I was wondering if there was

769
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: some spots where we could look at hopefully replicate for

770
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: this for the state. I think where grizzly bears are

771
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: right now in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. UM, I think

772
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: it's working, not without tensions. But I think if you

773
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: look at the distribution of grizzlies in Montana, the current

774
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: distribution of grizzlies in Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho of what's

775
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: called g y and then also the Northern Yellowstone eco

776
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, the Northern Rockies ecosystem current distribution of grizzlies.

777
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: Some biologists argue they're probably at carrying capacity there that

778
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you're not gonna see more bears.

779
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: They don't top the bears themselves won't tolerate denser populations.

780
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: If you froze that picture right now, I think you

781
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: would find a sustainable model, not without tension. It's not

782
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: without livestock issues, I think from an urban perspective, because

783
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: is the thing I always called Yellowstone syndrome, and it's

784
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: like that people's understanding of wildlife ecology and wildlife management

785
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: stems from sort of looking at these Christine bordered chunks

786
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: of place, and they don't pay attention to what it

787
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: actually means for the people who live in this landscape,

788
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: who are trying to be involved in cattle ranching, for instance.

789
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of empathy for what it's

790
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: like for someone who's who's raising livestock as a way

791
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: of supporting their family and they're dealing with large predators

792
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: on the landscape, like what that means for them. Um.

793
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: But in that case, I think that we've we've we've

794
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: hit like a workable situation. Now you talk to people

795
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: at the state level, whelming they're leery about bears moving

796
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: out of that area there. They're they're leery about the

797
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: east eastward southward expansion of grizzly bears because people feel

798
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: like outside of this core area, which is about chunk

799
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: of land the size of Indiana. Outside of this core area,

800
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: conflict is gonna outweigh benefit. That's open to debate. I'm

801
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: not even sure how I feel about a person, but

802
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I think that I think that um, in fifty years

803
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: and a hundred years, we could very well have that

804
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: many grizzlies living on that many square miles and it

805
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: being a peaceful relationship. We're all interests could be like

806
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: it's working, it's okay, um, And it came about through

807
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: a lot of through a lot of fighting, a lot

808
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: of infighting. But if it's working now, I think grizzlies

809
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: could work in some more places too. They can't work everywhere.

810
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: If you look at the historic distribution of grizzlies, it's

811
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: from about where the Missouri River, you know, the Missouri

812
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: hooks southward from there out to um the Pacific Coast.

813
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: I pointed on the outfit, I wrote the New York Times,

814
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: when you when you're looking at grizzlies, don't confuse Golden

815
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Gate Park with Yellowstone Park. Right we will never have

816
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: full recovery, which would mean grizzlies right here. It's just

817
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. So there's always like ideal, like your idealistic,

818
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: do you we'd recover them everywhere. It's just not pragmatic.

819
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: It's not gonna have. But there are places where I

820
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: would argue this, where do you feel like it's working there? Yeah?

821
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean I give you a real specific one, and

822
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: it's in the Blackfoot Valley, so just outside of Miszoola

823
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: where I'm from. River runs through it. Know about that

824
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: book or that movie, right, So that's where the Blackfoot

825
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: River is. And they came together a long time ago

826
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: as a ranching community and said, we want to keep

827
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: this place, uh the way it is right now. And

828
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: so they first coalesced around wheats, right. Wheat invasion is

829
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: really bad for the native grass that their their cows

830
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: are eating. So they first came around and they came

831
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: around around access that a bunch of hunters always knocking

832
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: on their doors, and that's kind of where there's private

833
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: public access to private land program. That's how they successful

834
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: in Montana came from. So now as there's this is

835
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: this borders for those in other landscape, there's the Bob

836
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: Marsha Wilderness and Glacier Park above that. So it's this

837
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: huge complex of wild land. And so you've had grizzly

838
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: bears in there for a long time, if they're coming

839
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: back even more, and now the wolves have kind of

840
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: exploded on there. And so in that same context of

841
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: trying to keep their places similar, they're doing a lot

842
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: of work with a local nonprofit called Blackfoot Challenge, and

843
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: that's a specific group you could reach out to and

844
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: ask that exact question. And so there's you know, when

845
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: there's a grizzly bear in the area, everybody knows kind

846
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of where it is, and so they are you know,

847
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: doing different things to kind of avoid that. One of

848
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: the practices they used to do is every time they

849
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: had a dead cow, they go put it in the

850
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: bone yard. But what does that do? That brings in

851
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: grizzly bears that are hungry, right, and so instead of

852
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: doing that, they're burning those animals now and making sure

853
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: that's not an attractive Another one would be like like uh,

854
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: bee hives, be hives becoming more and more popular. Everybody

855
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: likes having their own honey, right, and and so um

856
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: uh they are electrifying fences around that now before they

857
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: kind of we're having to live with grizzlies or that

858
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: they have this uh um, I guess respect for them. Uh,

859
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: those bears are getting in trouble and those bears are

860
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: getting killed. So now like these bears that are avoiding

861
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: people all the time because they get in trouble when

862
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: they're mountain people. Before it was just like a big

863
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: free for all, and so um, I think that's a

864
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: specific place to work. I think that Steve's right that, um,

865
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: the greater Yellowstone Area and the Northern Rockies as a

866
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: as a whole a great place to look. But that's

867
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: a real specifical one, you know. I think that, yeah, creation,

868
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a rid rich subject because I

869
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody need to realize. You guys know

870
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: that you have a heard of caribou in your state

871
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: that flirts with the border. So there are now about

872
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: a dozen caribou left in the US, and they're right

873
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: at this very second, probably none are in the US,

874
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: but there's a population of a dozen, you know, Mountain

875
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: caribos some people call the woodland cariboo that moved between Washington, Idaho.

876
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: The Montana ones are gone gone. Now, when you have

877
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: a population of one dozen animals, losing an animal to

878
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: predator to a predator is a humongous deal. If you

879
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: have two d you can support some predation. But when

880
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: you have a dozen and you lose a female, that's

881
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: a major blow. It could be the thing that means

882
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: that we will not have those things anymore. People tend

883
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: to really like those sort of like calendar animals and

884
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, um, you know, like a New Jersey

885
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: cat lady is not inspired by a caribou the way

886
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: she is by a wolf. So by playing our favorites

887
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: and by using even things like the Endangered Species Act

888
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: and turning it into a sort of my favorite animal

889
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: protection Act, we eve in some ways shot ourselves in

890
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: the foot when it comes to while they manned because

891
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: people really don't want they want to be like I

892
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: love wolves. Hurting wolves is bad. Anyone wants to kill

893
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: a wolf as a terre whole person and not looking

894
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: out and also trying to measure it with this idea

895
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: of we're trying to say one doesn't care you. Once

896
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: they're gone, you will not get them back. They can

897
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: do a thing right now, like they can take care

898
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: of you from other locations and bring care of them

899
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: into Washington and Idaho to supplement this existing doesn't when

900
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: those doesn't vanish, and it could happen anytime. You will

901
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: never have the political cloud and the financial stuff to

902
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: just do an outright reintroduction of bringing carebo and it

903
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: will not happen. So if you talk to someone who

904
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: works on this careb who heard and then you want

905
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: to talk about predator management with them, you will get

906
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: a very different picture than what you think of when

907
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: you think of some you know, meanal rancher who doesn't

908
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: want wolves killing off his cabs. It's a rich subject,

909
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: and I think that when you're gonna weigh in with opinions,

910
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: you kind of have an obligation to go look at

911
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the whole braw a picture of what's going on out there.

912
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: There are many different viewpoints than, many different interests than

913
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: what you might feel by, you know, looking at some

914
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: picture on Facebook that blows up because it's a guy

915
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: that shout a bold it took a picture of them

916
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: sitting there with It's a lot more afflic I just

917
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: said a question. Uh, So I've never really thought about

918
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: the public land ownership and uh having ownership in that myself,

919
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: and just relatively recently the last couple of years, I've

920
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: gone out to some of the national parks in Utah

921
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: and then also some of the state parks here in Washington,

922
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: UH and really just started appreciating those are are kind

923
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: of our best national resources and exposure to uh some

924
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: of the stuff going on to where that could eventually

925
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: go away or change hands or not be uh in

926
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: the same format in our future. UM has really kind

927
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: of uh I've gotten interested in that subject through this.

928
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: But are there things that we can do, uh to

929
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: kind of get engaged in the protection of public lands

930
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: or or what can we do as kind of individuals

931
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: are new to this, uh to kind of help with

932
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: that cost. Yeah, that's a great quat that left lands

933
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: and dark that most But I'll just point out that

934
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: I grew up at the southern terminus of Manistee National Forest.

935
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: Our view of it was that it somehow fell from

936
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: the sky right. We used it all the time, never

937
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: gave an inkling of thought to how it came to

938
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: be and what would what do we need to do

939
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: to make sure it continues to exist. It's like you know, apathy. Yeah,

940
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: app here's lack of awareness about what it is that

941
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: it's actually like in this ongoing fight, and that we're

942
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: still having this national debate about the validity of publicly

943
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: owned land. UM. In my mind, one of the biggest

944
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: steps sort of preserving our public lands is for people

945
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: to become aware of how they came to be and

946
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: to understand that there are still people questioning our intent

947
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: and making them UM. But I think that just basic

948
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: awareness seems to drive a lot of action as far

949
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: as specific action, Uh, I think land should speak there. Yeah,

950
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean I can be selfish and put a plug

951
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: in for back countree hunters and anglers join us today.

952
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: And I think besides building numbers for us so we

953
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: have more cloud when we go out to Washington, d C,

954
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: it's it also places to educate yourself and we also

955
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: make it easy for you to engage. And a lot

956
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: of people in this political climate right now or just

957
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: in general, don't think that your voice counts anymore. And

958
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, like making a phone call, sending an email,

959
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: writing a letter to the editor at your at your

960
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: local newspaper, I think it doesn't matter. And I'm gonna

961
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: tell you that's exact opposite. Every time we talk to

962
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: politicians out in d C. They know when there's actually

963
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: real noise happening out there, and they care about being reelected.

964
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Their constituents matter to them. And so that phone call

965
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: we talk about it. If they start to get about

966
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: ten phone calls, they start to pay attention, they get

967
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: a hunting phone calls. Let me tell you what they're

968
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: paying attention. And so I think the more people are

969
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: engaging that way, I think it's an important thing. Um

970
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's not. I mean there's basically if you talk

971
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: to those centers and talk to their staff like you're

972
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: not talking unless you know that center, you're probably not

973
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna be able to talk to them unless you see

974
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: them at an event. So their staff is the one

975
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: picking up the phone and they got a little checklist

976
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: they're keeping score, right, and here's where we hear it

977
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: on this side here and we're hear it on the other.

978
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: The same thing with emails. I would say that, um,

979
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, will help you craft emails, but the more

980
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: you do that yourself, that counts a little bit more. UM.

981
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: And again, I think we can help you do that.

982
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: But a lot of people want to have apathy like

983
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: he's talking about, Oh, they're just here and they're always

984
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: going to be here, or others think that their voices

985
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: don't count. I will tell you that it may feel

986
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: like that, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. Um.

987
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: The last thing I would say is that, you know,

988
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: part of the reason we're having this discussion is because

989
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: some people want to see management improved on our federally

990
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: managed public lands. I would agree with that, and so

991
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: there's opportunities to get involved, like get a travel management

992
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: level plan or a resource level of plan, and so

993
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: you have input on the local place where you're going. Um.

994
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: They you know, a lot of there's a lot of

995
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: talk about last DC ton us what to do. Those

996
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: decisions get made at a local level. UM. So that's

997
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of like the Short and Dirty become a member

998
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: not just of US, but of other conservation organizations that

999
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: are engaged in this public land's fight. We worked with

1000
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: a large smattering. I would say that one of the

1001
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: great things that I've noticed here in the last couple

1002
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: of years, it's like outdoor users have their own groups,

1003
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: like the International Mountain Biking Association, the Kayakers. They're starting

1004
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: to come to this issue because of the threats that

1005
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: there is, and they understand. And I talked to a

1006
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: woman who's a member of ours this last weekend arena.

1007
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: She's a big long distance a question rider like she

1008
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: rides horses. That's what she does. Like she's going thousand

1009
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: miles ride. Where can you do that anywhere else? And

1010
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: she came to us again, it's a plug for us,

1011
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: but we're being this isn't really the issue that we

1012
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: work on his public land strictly, and so no matter what,

1013
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna be standing up for him. She saw us

1014
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: being consistent on that time and time again, so that's

1015
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: why she's a member of ours, And to me, UM,

1016
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: that's again we all have a stake in this. I

1017
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: don't care if you hunt or fish, ride horses, pickuckle berries,

1018
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: or just enjoy the clean air and clean water. We

1019
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: have to do something and if not, we're gonna be

1020
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: sitting there in a few years and being like man,

1021
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done something, and by then

1022
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna be too late. I think it support you

1023
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: to understand at this point it's not strictly a partners

1024
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: an issue at all. UM. The incoming head of Interior

1025
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: Department has stated several times that he has no interest

1026
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: in seeing our federal lands liquidated. The incoming president has had,

1027
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes some somewhat conflicting messages, but has stated

1028
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: he's not interested in saying off our public lands. Yet

1029
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: other people within their political party UM have advocated on

1030
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: behalf of selling off publican federal public lands. So it's

1031
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: not really decided yet. I think that whatever party you affiliate,

1032
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: I think you need to bring it up to your

1033
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: representatives and let them know because hopefully it won't become

1034
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: something that's just like this, this binary Republican Democrat battle

1035
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: is not shaping out to be that way. So I

1036
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: think that you need to speak up to your representatives

1037
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: to just like just like Land saying, to make sure

1038
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: that it doesn't become something that it falls along party lines.

1039
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: Right now, there's people advocating on both halfs, and like

1040
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: Land mentioned earlier, we have a great um sustainable economy

1041
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: built around public lands, and so we need to speak

1042
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: to the business aspect of it too. I hate being

1043
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: in a situation of trying to justify things of beauty

1044
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: in terms of finance, but in this case, I think

1045
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I think it's useful to do it,

1046
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: Like how many coffee drinkers use public lands? Oh right,

1047
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: so Steve, we're coming up on our time. Is uh,

1048
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: what haven't we asked? What can we wrap it up with?

1049
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: What kind of knowledge can you drop on us? Like

1050
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: a concluding bob concluding that? What's the concluding thoughts? I

1051
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: never thought I was gonna say that, Yeah, that's one.

1052
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't have one. Oh, I was thinking still about

1053
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: predators on this wo woman asked about it just like

1054
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: a place in the United States where it seems to work.

1055
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking about like one of those

1056
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: common predators it's out there. But again it's not one

1057
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: of those calendar animals, but the coyote that specys enjoying

1058
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: great um, you know, population growth all across our country.

1059
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: It's everywhere now, Like you know, we grew up in Michigan,

1060
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: never had in kiots growing up. You know, now they're

1061
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: all over Michigan and all over the Eastern Seaboard and

1062
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: it's cool, it's neat. They seem to be balancing and

1063
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: make them do and the people that are seen them

1064
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: are so far interested in them. That could change as

1065
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: soon as you know, a people more cats and small

1066
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: kids getting nipped, you know, in Central Park. People might

1067
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Speaker 1: not have the same view on kyotes, but I feel

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: like all across our country coyotes and people are making

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: do you know, yeah, we got kyot in places at

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00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: the time of European contact there word okayo right um yeah.

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00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: Another thing in that way, if you look at we

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: talked about wolves and grizzlies, um and how they fitting

1073
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: out and occupy historic range. I alviously think it's helpful

1074
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: to point out that elk only occupy about I think

1075
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: it's about four ten or four ten or fourteen percent

1076
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: of the historic range. At the time of European contact,

1077
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: you had elk across the United States of America, So

1078
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, like elk are we've really accepted elk as

1079
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: sort of this like iconic big game animal. Right we

1080
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: have how many there's what a couple hundred dollars and

1081
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: elk whelming as two hundred l Colorado is more than

1082
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: app all over the place. Um, but we haven't even

1083
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: begun the recovery built if you think about it in

1084
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: terms of east of the Mississippi River. So I think

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: that when we look at our large predators and we

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: sort of weigh, like, what would recovery look like, what

1087
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: does sustainability look like? I think it's important to keep

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01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: that in mind. We've definitely accepted elk as a renewable resource,

1089
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: but again, they occupy a ten percent of their historic

1090
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: range here. Um, It's it's a very these issues are

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01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: very complicated, and I think that if you're interested, if

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: you owe it yourself to kind of start to understand

1093
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: the historic context of some of the decisions we're making

1094
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: right now. Uh my closing thought, I mean to thank

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: Chad for bringing us in here. You know, I think, um,

1096
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: when I uh for sure that we're coming in here,

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01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know what kind of crowd would have. You know,

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01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anna two people or honor people.

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01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know what kind of questions they are gonna

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01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: be asking. The question and diversity of questions today are

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01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: super impressive to me. The size of the crowd are

1102
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: super impressive. I think that for me, um ah, that's enlightening.

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: And I think, you know again, these public lands, because

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01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with they belong to all of

1105
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: us and it's up to us to keep them that way.

1106
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I I hope that you all start

1107
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: to educate yourself a little bit more on this issue,

1108
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: that you do get engaged. This is still a democracy

1109
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: that can work and should work. But the squeaky wheel

1110
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: gets the grease, and if they're hearing from somebody else,

1111
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: they're not hearing from people that care about public lands,

1112
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: then we're gonna lose. And you know, we've had a

1113
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of conversations about kids today and that's the part

1114
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: that I think my kids are hopefully going to have

1115
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: the same opportunity as I did. But believe me, that

1116
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: can slip away in the generation and you think about

1117
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: the future generations and what this country that we tried

1118
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: to set up differently where it was much more of

1119
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: a democracy that led things than you know, oligarchy. Let's

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01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: let's keep it that way. And this is one of

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01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: those ways that I think we can do that. And

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: so I think that takes everybody from all walks of

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Speaker 1: life to be able to do that, and we're you know,

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: it's hundreds of anglers were just a small piece of that.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I did. Yeah, I don't know one

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Speaker 1: to ask about the relative merits of eight by thirty

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01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: over ten by fifty four over prism acts question, because

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Speaker 1: that would have stopped me and I would have passed

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Speaker 1: that right to you. All right, thank you very much, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I just want to appreciate you guys coming in you

1131
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: j honest and and Lamb flu In from Montana to

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: be here with us today. Steve's a local boy now,

1133
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: but I don't be claimed Stanley. Do you claim us

1134
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: as your home undeniable right right here? Yeah, I'm still

1135
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: a little sad about that. So I can we get

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: around of blast where I guess today. Thank you. Two

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Speaker 1: defeats in qual