1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack arms Strong, Joe Getty arm. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: Strong, and Judge and He. 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: Arms Drawn Yay. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: Live from studio. Say it's Christmas Day. I'm trying to think, 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: who's listening right now? Why are you listening to us 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: on Christmas Day? Don't you have some family to be 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: around or something? 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: I hope you're having a maybe you're on your way. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Don't It sounds like you're judging people on all the 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: days you're judging people. You have put bitterness under the tree. 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: She seems weird that you're listening to us on Christmas Day. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: I'll stop it. People are enjoying it right. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: It's a carefully cold, expertly put together the sequence. The 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: sequence is amazing. Maybe you're a strong Maybe maybe you're alone. 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Maybe you're alone. Oh, for God's sake, it's an Armstrong 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: in giddy replay. Good morning, Kansas City. 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 4: Let's take other's Today is today's what. 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: Are you gonna do? Full disclosure to the whole world? 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: Guy guy O. When I went myself, what what is 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 3: happening there? What was that? 22 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: Can somebody get me some paper towel? I went to 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: h That is the trailer from the new Stephen Spielberg 24 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: UFO movie. 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: Oh what's a U? And that's what caused you to 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: lose control of your bowels. 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: It's too scary, weird sounds freaked me out. 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: You kept your bowels intact, you held your mud, but 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: your bladder gave way. 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: Thank you for that. 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, the great Stephen spiel has turned his attention 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: to a scary UFO movie. 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait. I might go to the theater. 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: That could be good. Cool, my son is I'm used 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: to that sound. 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: Kay is freaking out, but you knock it off, send 37 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: me like chills down my spine. 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh it was horrible. Did you watch Stranger Things, Katie? 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: I forget a few. I watched the first season and 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: then it kicked me. 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so you didn't make it far enough to these 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: dog like creatures that eat people and rip their throats out. 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: That's in season two. I guess my son listening. 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: My youngest is making his way through it because he 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: heard all the good reviews of season five, so he 46 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: decided to try to catch up, and so he's really 47 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: into it. But lots of scary music like that and 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: creepy things happening and whatnot. There are plenty of actual 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: scary things happening in the world, like the war between 50 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine, and where are we on the peace process? Well, 51 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: before I get to the New York Times article about it, 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: this is Mark Alprin's summary today in his news roundup. 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: Ukraine is in line to get much more robust security 54 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: guarantees that were in the first drafts of the peace plan. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: Putin gets a lot of land bragging rights in a 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: return to the Community of Nations sort of. 57 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: Everybody is tired of war. 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: Europe now believes that Trump isn't bluffing and that this 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: is the final act. Okay, that this is the final 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: effort by Trump, then he's going to wash his hands 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: of it if it doesn't go either. 62 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 3: Here's the problem though, As the New York Times. 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: Points out, Ukraine plan calls for enhanced military with US 64 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: and European backup. 65 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: Hey, that's the headline. 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: The sub headline headline is the latest proposal is designed 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: to deter future Russian aggression. But Russia is not part 68 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: of the talks and has shown little willingness to negotiate. 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: Russia isn't even part of these talks and has shown 70 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: no indication zero. As I read the full article and 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: they get to later Putin's made no noise, you know 72 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: how often be well, we're willing to take a look 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: at that, or this is a proposal that you know, 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: there are kinks to work out, but we believe no, zero, 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: He's made no noises whatsoever that he has any interest 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: whatsoever in giving on any of these issues. 77 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: So what are we talking about. This is insane. It's 78 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: a certain Major League Baseball owners. There's about to be 79 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: a huge workstoppage, I think after next season. 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: But it's like the owners have. 81 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: Gotten together with the league and the umpires and they've 82 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: all agreed that the players will play for free after. 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: They've made fifty million dollars. 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: But the players haven't joined in these talks and have 85 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: made it clear over and over again they have no 86 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: interest in anything like that ever for the rest of 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: their lives. Nonetheless, the negotiations continue, to the New York 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: Times story, American and European diplomats meeting with Ukraine's leaders 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: over the past two days in Berlin have mostly signed 90 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: off on two documents that outline the security guarantees the 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: officials said publicly and privately several European countries agreeing to 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: put troops on the ground. Still, a broad cease fire 93 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: appears to remain out of reach for the moment, in 94 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: part because Russia's not party to these negotiations. 95 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: What the hell are we talking about here? As you 96 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: just said, that's. 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: What are we saying my marriage plan with what's the 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: what's the Nazi chick that's so hot right now? 99 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: Popular the Nazi jens chick. 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: It's like me saying my marriage plans with Sidney Sweeney 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: are remain out of reach for the moment, as she 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: has no knowledge that I exist or interested in marrying me. 103 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's the same level of ridiculous. 104 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: But you keep making announcements about how it's coming along. 105 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, My plans for the wedding are coming along fine. 106 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: We've now narrated down to several different caterers and the 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 2: type of ring iye planned to buy. The negotiations are 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: being held up by the way that she doesn't know 109 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: I exist nor has any interest. 110 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: Right. 111 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: I don't think you calling her the Nazi jens chick 112 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: is getting any close do a marriage either. 113 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 114 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: Wow, again, still the ceasefire remains out of reach for 115 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: the moment, in part because Russia is not party to 116 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: these negotiations. I don't understand this paragraph. And then it 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: says at the end of the paragraph where they talk 118 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: about you know, Land, this and that, and it says 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: Putin has indicated no flexibility at all on his demands. Again, 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: what is this article about. I'm confused. The next paragraph. 121 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: You know, I've already said about the peace guarantees that 122 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: the United States and Europe has they're working out. They've 123 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: come very close to two agreements, the United States and 124 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: Europe on their peace guarantees for troops on the ground 125 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: and everything like that. Putin has stated previously he will 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: not accept the presence of NATO troop NATO country troops 127 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Okay, so he's already said that's a no 128 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 2: go and has shown no indication of backing off whatsoever. 129 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: I don't even understand what this article is. 130 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: I seriously, I don't get it. 131 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: At least they should do us the favor of saying 132 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: clearly these two proposals all of the Russians have. 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: They kind of made a proposal, but they could say 134 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: something about. 135 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Clearly these two proposals have serious areas of conflict, and 136 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: each must be altered significantly before we can talk about 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: an agreement. 138 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: It's really weird because these are smart people. The negotiators 139 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: are smart. The people further the writing for The New 140 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: York Times are smart. They're smarter and more sophisticated than 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: I am. Yet they've written this for the first time 142 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: in months. European officials said they're working well with American 143 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: negotiators and President Trump. The big breakthrough is that we 144 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: and europe are seeing eye to eye on this. But 145 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: some European leaders hinted at lingering concerns that all the 146 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: diplomatic work with the Americans could be irrelevant if the 147 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: fundamental disputes between Russian and Ukraine cannot be resolved. 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean the two countries of war, the two 150 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: countries that are fighting the war. If they don't have 151 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: any agreement, this will all be meaningless. Yeah, I would agree, 152 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: and I'm no genius here, but I mean. 153 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: There's not no value in the Americans and Europeans working 154 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: out their differences in forming a united front. I mean, 155 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: obviously that's very, very important, but it just seems like 156 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: the headlines keep indicating that we're getting closer to an agreement. 157 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the two documents lays out broad principles. 158 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: They amount to what two American officials and several European 159 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: diplomats said would be a commitment similar to NATO's Article 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: five guarantee, in which all member nations pledged to come 161 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: to the aid of any nation that is attacked. So 162 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: it'd basically be a NATO guarantee for Ukraine if they're 163 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: attacked by Russia. Again, we the United States of America 164 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: and our friends are at war with Russia. Russia is saying, However, 165 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: of course I. 166 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: Ain't signing that. Not a freaking chance. 167 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, this might just be signaling back and forth between 168 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: the side, But I don't know. It all seems very well, 169 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: very shaky. Doesn't even describe how shaky it is. 170 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I'm honestly confused as to what 171 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: this even is all about. 172 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: They mentioned a lot of. 173 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: Time and effort. Again, these are really really smart people. 174 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: Marco Rubio is no dummy. Donald Tusk poland no dummy 175 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: that these people aren't getting together taking time out of 176 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: their lives a week before Christmas because. 177 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: You know, just to go through the motions. They must 178 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: think it means something. 179 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: So you and the caterer have finally agreed on the buffet, 180 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: moving you closer to a final agreement with Sydney Sweet. 181 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: Okay, all right. 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 2: Again, Sidney Sweeney yet to be aware of the existence 183 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 2: of the sixty year old. 184 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Bald man, or more notably, has utterly and unequivocally rejected 185 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: the idea over and over again. 186 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: You're right. 187 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: My description is not close to right. She is aware 188 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: of me and has said you She's. 189 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: Done restraining order on multiple occasions and said you right. 190 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: There seems to be no budging on her feelings about 191 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: mister Armstrong. However, a caterer has been decided upon. Mister 192 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: Armstrong has announced a new development in the search for 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: a florist. Okay, great super's being a Warren Peace. We 194 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: mentioned this quite early in the show today that President 195 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Trump yesterday ordered a total and complete blockade of all 196 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: sanctioned oil tankers entering and leaving Venezuela, in a major 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: escalation of his pressure campaign against the country's leader, Nicholas Maduro, 198 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: the kamie Kleptocrat. Does Venezuela have the Cajones? The ill 199 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: advised Cojones, if I might, you can't have ill advised pauls. 200 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's a bad metaphor. 201 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: Sometimes I felt like mine were ill advised. Hmmm, give 202 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: bad advice anyway. 203 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: Is it even possible that the Venezuelans would like fire 204 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: on the US, say, now you're not grabbing our tankers. 205 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: That wouldn't be that wouldn't just that wouldn't be having cohonies. 206 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: That'd be stupid, right, That'd be suicide. 207 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: So clearly we are trying to squeeze their oil revenue. 208 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: Because every dictatorship democracies too, But dictatorships are a question 209 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: of money flowing to loyalists. You buy loyalty's that's it. 210 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: And if we can choke off their money supply, then 211 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: the generals who used to be rich, now they got 212 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: their Mercedes payment and their big expensive villa and the 213 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: rest of it, and they got to pay for the upkeep, 214 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: and they start to think, you know, Maduro's the guy 215 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: in the past. The US is saying, if we're just 216 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: half reasonable, the party. 217 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: Can get going again. Maybe we talked to the Americans. 218 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 3: Is that what they hoped? 219 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: You suppose breaking news we've settled on a limousine company. Oh, 220 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: it is from the wedding to the dinner afterwards. 221 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: He still maintains that she'd sooner be dead than marry 222 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: mister Armstrong. But the limousine company is said to be 223 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: a reputable one four point eight stars on Google. 224 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: It's the Armstrong Ngetty Show. My son was. 225 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: Playing the drums at the high school basketball game, the 226 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: first time I've watched him do it at the basketball game, 227 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: and I hadn't been banned situation drum line, so it's 228 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: just all drums. But first time I've been inside a 229 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: small high school gym watching a game with all that 230 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: goes on with that in many, many decades, it hasn't 231 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: changed a bit. Really, it was a lot more people 232 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: staring at their phones than the last time. Nobody was 233 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: staring at awesome equipment in their handback when the last 234 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: time I was in a gym. But other than that, 235 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: it was all the same, and I wish just weren't true. 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: I know this makes me a crazy person, but I 237 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: get just as uncomfortable. I was just as uncomfortable last 238 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: night being in that gym as I was when I 239 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: was in high school. Myself and all the dynamics of 240 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: high school and everything that goes on with that and 241 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: everything and how much I hated it and how how 242 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: it just freaked me out. I feel exactly the same 243 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: way now, and it's it's some sort of PTSD, right, 244 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: it's got to because obviously I don't need to know 245 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: if the cool group thinks I'm got the right shoes 246 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: on or anything. 247 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: Now, right, your. 248 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: Shoes are lovely, by the way, we're all just commenting 249 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: on what nice shoes you have. 250 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: Whatever the stupid moronic dynamics of high school are. 251 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's absolutely anthropological. 252 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: It's at the point that you're really becoming in charge 253 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: of keeping your DNA alive. 254 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: You take in data about. 255 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: What's a danger, what's good, that's bad, and it burns 256 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: permanent pathways in your head so you don't have to 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: be reminded of it. 258 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: Again just to survive. 259 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I wouldn't call being in the same 260 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: room with your your first love PTSDA good, But does 261 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: that bring on a flood of emotion? That's a good loan, 262 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty good. That's pretty good. It's per 263 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: charitable and pretty good, and it's so easy. I feel 264 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: like the spot. As I'm sitting there in the gym, 265 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: I can say, Okay, there's the cool group. They just 266 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: walked in. 267 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: Look at the like the the water's part as they 268 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: walked through, and everybody starre hated. 269 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: Them a little, didn't you. I don't know. I didn't. 270 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't think I hated them. I don't think I 271 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: ever hated them. I was scared of them, but I 272 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: didn't hate them. Then there's there's the group that wants 273 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: to be them but not quite is. And there's the outliers. 274 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: They're kind of standing alone over there and they wish 275 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: they could be part of any group, and you can. 276 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: You can just see all the dynamics of high school 277 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: just right there. 278 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: You're freaking everyone out. This is making me really uncomfortable, 279 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: which proves your point. 280 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: Now's your chance, Jack. 281 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: You see that cool group, you can tell them off, Like, listen, 282 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: you think you're so cool? See I don't. 283 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: I never I don't. I didn't have that feeling. Then 284 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: I don't have that feeling. 285 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: Now tell them off for what? 286 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: How dare you be attractive and have good personalities and 287 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: good at something? 288 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: How screw you? 289 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't feel that way them. I don't 290 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: feel that way. That's healthy, that's right. You gotta tear 291 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: them down. Life is a zero some game. Their happiness 292 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: is your unhappiness. Look at your DEI training. If they 293 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: have something, it's because they stole it. 294 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: There's no such thing as merits. 295 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of happiness to go around there. 296 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: There was a particular guy and girl that walked in 297 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: high school. Guy and girl, and he was he looked 298 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: like a like something from a TV show, and she 299 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: was stunning. 300 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: And it was just like the attention they got. 301 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: When they came over to the bleachers and kind of 302 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: just sat wherever they wanted. 303 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: Everybody moved out of the way. And it's just something 304 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: to say, what is it with human beings? I don't know. 305 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: The bears do the same thing. 306 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they're sitting there eating their bears, overturning trash 307 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: cans or something. Then a really hot looking bear and 308 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: her big bear mate come along. 309 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, look at them. Yeah, he could be 310 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: a movie star. 311 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: You And they looked so comfortable and in charge of 312 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: the world, like things could never be better. And then 313 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: all the other people you could see the angst on 314 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: their face. So not all of them but certain groups 315 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: of people is just like you know, looking around and 316 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: trying to how should I walk, how should I sit? 317 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: How should I whatever? You know that goes on when 318 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: you're that age, just oh my god. I wouldn't go 319 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,479 Speaker 2: through that again for any amount of money. 320 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: Like observing a band of chimps in the forest lest 321 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: poo chuck in, thank goodness. 322 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: And I don't And one other thing before we got 323 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: to get to Katie's headlines. 324 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. 325 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: My brother was telling me about how like his daughter 326 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: is a super stud high school girls basketball player, and 327 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: he said, girls basketball is so much better now than 328 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: it was like when we were younger. It's different thing, 329 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: but so is the boys. I thought, this boy's high 330 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: school team. I don't know if my high school team 331 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: could score a basket on these guys. Has everything's just 332 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: gotten that much better because of youth sports or emphasis 333 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: on sports or something. 334 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, more professionalized. Everything's more professionalized. Games are not 335 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: to be played for fun, there to be excelled at 336 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: to gain of scholarship. 337 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: Maybe that's it. 338 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: But it was a completely different level than the last 339 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: time I was in a high school gym, which was 340 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: a very very long time. 341 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: It was in black and White. 342 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: I thought this is interesting if you're new to the show. 343 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: Jack and I both have railed long and hard against 344 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: critical theory and DEI. It's neo Marxism. We'll explain a 345 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: little more about that. It mascerades quite successfully, though, as 346 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: we just want everybody to get a fair shot in America, 347 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: and a lot of people think DEI actually is just 348 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: we want more diversity. We want people to be able 349 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: to apply for jobs and get them. No, everybody wants 350 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: that DEI is in in cities plot that masquerades as 351 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: civil rights. Having said that, the headline the Journal America 352 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: is abandoning DEI, the NFL remains all in. Everyone from 353 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: the federal government of the Fortune five hundred are dialing 354 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: back diversity efforts DEI efforts, but America's most popular sport 355 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: is standing its ground. 356 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: I'm not shocked by this. I don't like it. 357 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: I don't like the fact that journalism regularly fudges the 358 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: difference between DEI, which is a specific thing, and diversity, 359 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: acting like they're the same thing. 360 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 3: They don't know. 361 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: I honestly believe the percentage of Americans who understand that 362 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: that DEI is part of critical theory comes from the 363 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: Frankfurt School of philosophy. It's a method of taking over institutions. Essentially, 364 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: you call everybody a racist unless they agree with you. 365 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Perhaps you went to a delightful training session where this happened. 366 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: And obviously, if you're a racist, according to the nice 367 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: people who are running your DEI department, you can't be 368 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: in charge. 369 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: And so they get rid of you. 370 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: They bring in somebody who believes what they do, which 371 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: is neo Marxism, equity, et cetera. DEI is Marxism. It's 372 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: not diversity. 373 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: That reminds me. 374 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: I read a great piece yesterday on how IBRAMX Kenny 375 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: is one of the great sisters of all time. Now 376 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: that his run is over, I think had to shut 377 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: down his anti racist institute. He got fifty million dollars 378 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: I think in donations from companies. 379 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: Never did anything. No people are falling all over themselves 380 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: to give money. I'm not a racist. Don't call me 381 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: a racist. Don't call me a racist. 382 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: And you remember, no matter how you intended what you said, 383 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: if I say you're a racist, you are a racist. 384 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: It's a method of capture, of taking over institutions. And 385 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: he and Robin DiAngelo in that whole ridiculous scam which 386 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: is still going on. They knew precisely what they're doing. 387 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: But back to my main point, I think a lot 388 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: of people don't understand it. Yeah, I see even fairly 389 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: conservative publications, I still see people talk about DEI as 390 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: if it's just an honest and open hearted desire to have, 391 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, like a black kid have the same opportunities 392 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: in America as a white kid. Again, everybody wants that 393 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: DEI is not that anyway. Having said that, back to 394 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: the journal thing, the NFL is a TV show. Never 395 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: forget that it's an entertainment product from top to bottom. 396 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 2: It's not actually an effort to see which city has 397 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: the best forty guys to play. 398 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: Football hired bms. 399 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: No, it's a TV show, and it is an incredibly popular, 400 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: profitable TV show, and a huge percentage of the cast 401 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: are young black men and are incredibly important to the 402 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: game and its popularity. 403 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: I've noticed that and given the fact. 404 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: That most people don't understand what DEI really is and 405 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: what it is not, including young black men who run, 406 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, receiving routes and get tackled hard and stay 407 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: in incredible physical condition and memorize playbooks that would boggle 408 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: the mind of an MIT physicist. That they don't spend 409 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time acquainting themselves with the subtleties of 410 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: sociological issues is not shocking. So I get why Roger 411 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: Goodell has said, no, we're still up with diversity, up 412 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: with DEI, we're continuing all our programs. I get why 413 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: he does that. It annoys me, but I get it. 414 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: I thought this was more interesting and revealing. This is 415 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: a piece written by Callan Borcher's what happens when a 416 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: former NFL player becomes your office coworker. And I've got 417 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: to admit I haven't thought about this much. Oh and 418 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: he mentions, did we find the audio, guys from the 419 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: two thousand and three. 420 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: That was twenty two years ago? 421 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: A Super Bowl commercial featuring was it Terry Tait office 422 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: linebacker or something like that? 423 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: Do we have that? 424 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, if you saw the commercial, you certainly remember 425 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: it now. Absolutely hilarious. They hired a linebacker to root 426 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: out inefficiency at their office. It's kind of like Doge, 427 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: except if you weren't doing your job right, he would 428 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: level you wearing his football gear. 429 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: Anyway, back to the threat of the thing. I thought 430 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: this was super interesting. 431 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: Turns out real NFL retirees who entered the business world 432 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: learned to make an impact in different ways. Quote Will Rackley, 433 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: a former offensive lineman for the Jaguars and Ravens. He's 434 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: a couple of months into a job as a business 435 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: operations analyst at the staffing firm Atrium. He said it 436 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: can be a culture shock when stepping into a corporate 437 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: setting as opposed to the locker room. But manager after 438 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: manager was telling callum borchers that they struggle to recruit 439 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: people who can take and deliver candid feedback, especially these days. 440 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: We've all heard stories of the. 441 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Snowflakes and the gen Zers and millennials gen zers especially 442 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: who if you say, you know that report wasn't quite 443 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: up to snuff, they will break down. 444 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're crutching my spirit. 445 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I need a spirit day, I need a mental health day. 446 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: They have trouble with people that can deliver the candid feedback. 447 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 2: Though you smell funny, everybody's talking about it. See no, 448 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: not that sort of candid about job performance. 449 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: Specifically a lot of people, particularly given the first thing 450 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: I was talking about, people who can't take candid feedback 451 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: are extremely uncomfortable giving it. 452 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: You gotta stop eating with your mouth open. You're gonna 453 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: make somebody kill you. 454 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 455 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: No, we're talking about business performance again. But former gridiron 456 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: pro accustomed to coaches who yell, cuss, and call out 457 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: mistakes in post game film sessions every week of their 458 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: careers is not likely to will to under a little 459 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: constructive criticism. 460 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: That's funny. My son just said, this is his first 461 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: real sport. I think he's playing volleyball, he said. The 462 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: coaches telling at me all the time. I said, that's 463 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: what coaches do. Yes, good or bad, no matter what's happening, 464 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: the coaches yell at you. That's just that's the way 465 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: it works. 466 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 3: This is the candid feedback we're discussing. 467 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: And while there are some truth to the cliche that 468 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: athletes can bring winning mindsets to business, it is actually 469 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: their ability to handle losing that stands out. According to 470 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: bosses and the former NFL players we're talking about are 471 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: like the vast majority you leave the game, not hall 472 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: of famers with set for life money. They are often 473 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: men who are pushed out of the game by injuries 474 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: or a younger, cheaper draft pick who could play about as. 475 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 3: Well, which is almost everybody gets in the NFL. 476 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, vast majority they've dealt with disappointment 477 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: and regrouped, said and, associate director of Non traditional Talent 478 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: Programs at Verizon. 479 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: Quote. 480 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: The ability to pick yourself up and get back into 481 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: the game is really what business is all about, and 482 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: he's found these guys to be much more resilient. I 483 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: don't they understand, Wow, that went badly. What can we learn? 484 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: I don't doubt that that should be focused on more 485 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: for all professional athletes, the vast majority of them. Even 486 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: if you've reached your dreams made it to that league, 487 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: you're gonna make a little money and be there a 488 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: couple of years, and then you're gonna go back to 489 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: regular life and you're gonna be twenty five years old, right, 490 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: and that'd be an interesting mindset. I was good enough 491 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: to play in that league. I work my ass off 492 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: ten hours a day, like my whole life. But that's 493 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: over now and I'm only twenty five, and I gotta 494 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: do something different, right. But I think the other aspects 495 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: of it, because that's important, though, But the idea of 496 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: somebody well, they make another point. NFL players are completely 497 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: unfazed by the arduous process of interviewing for white collar 498 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: jobs and or preparing for presentations and interviews and stuff 499 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: like that. 500 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 3: It's what they've done their whole lives. 501 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: It's a different skill set that they're preparing for, but 502 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: the idea of we're gonna have to go really really 503 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: hard to get rid or get ready for this one 504 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: particular meeting or something. They're completely in that mode. So 505 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: that was interesting. It also reminds me of the New 506 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: York Times. There's a great piece they did. Yeah, I know, 507 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: when they're not completely biased, they do really good journalism 508 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: once in a while. That the single most important characteristic 509 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: for a child to predict their success in life is resilience. 510 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Can they are they afraid of failure? Or do they 511 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: understand it? It happens sometime. Let's plunge on number one predictor, 512 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: and I could see why NFL players would be really 513 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: good at that. 514 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 2: Who was I talking to the other day that had 515 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: a meeting with their corporate person? 516 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: Whould I have been talking to? I don't talk to 517 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 3: anyone anyway. 518 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: They met with their corporate CEO for a major corporation 519 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: and they were having a discussion about AI, and I said, 520 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: what was the gist of it? And the gist of 521 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: it was, We're not going to need any of you anymore. 522 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: Who Ece this gets rolling And we've all heard this 523 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. If you're paying attention to AI at all, 524 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: that all kinds of different jobs will go by the wayside. 525 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: And a lot of the jobs that were the. 526 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: Most sure thing in our economy are the ones that 527 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: are going to be going first. 528 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 3: So that has everybody concerned. But we're not there yet. 529 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: AI search engines cite incorrect sources at an alarming sixty 530 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: percent rate. A new study shows, so a lot of 531 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 2: people like me, when you google something, you're going with 532 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: the AI version at the top of the list for 533 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: the answer and thinking it's probably close enough. It might 534 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: not be that close. AI models incorrectly answered more than 535 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: sixty percent of queries about news sources. They have a 536 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: tendency too, and this has been an ongoing problem with AI. 537 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: Make stuff up. AI is like your five year old. 538 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: It just makes stuff up. 539 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: And you have to realize that if your five year 540 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: old comes in and says, you know, a kid named 541 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: Jimmy down the street punched me. Maybe that happened. Maybe 542 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: there is no Jimmy. They just said that for who 543 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 2: knows what reason. Not the way, that's the way AI is. 544 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: It just mixed stuff up. 545 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes, hang 546 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: on a second, let me use my chet, get jack. 547 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: That's almost half. 548 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: They ran sixteen hundred corries across eight different generative search 549 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly, 550 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: premium paid versions of these AI search tools fared even 551 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: worse than certain respects. Perplexity Pro, which is twenty dollars 552 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: a month, and GROC three that's Elon's Thing, which is 553 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: forty dollars a month, confidently delivered incorrect responses more often 554 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is around 555 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: the news stuff. 556 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: So you pay for less accuracy. Yeah, all right again 557 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: around news stuff. 558 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if, like, for instance, gros claiming it's 559 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: good at that at Mostly what I see on GROC 560 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: is its ability to I don't know, create music videos 561 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: or pictures or or hot chicks in a cowboy hat 562 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: if that's what you want, or something like that. These 563 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: AI systems seem to be really good at that but 564 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: in terms of so, they would ask various questions about 565 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: news stories, and GROC might give you a source that 566 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: wasn't the source, or make one up, or create a 567 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: link to the information that doesn't exist. It would just 568 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: make up a link. And they don't helpful, no, and 569 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: they don't seem to be. 570 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: Well, I'm unashamed. 571 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: They know that they don't know why AI does this, right, 572 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if 573 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: it's fixable. But a I ain't gonna take over the 574 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: world if they can't figure that out. 575 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: I I don't see how that happens right right, It 576 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: could absolutely take over a significant number of professions sure 577 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: that are fairly limited in in scope. There's a great 578 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: piece in the journal about how high school and college 579 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,959 Speaker 1: students especially are using AI to cheat always everywhere, all 580 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: the time. Not every kid certainly, but man, they go 581 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: into all the different ways. They tell the story of 582 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl in New Jersey. He uses 583 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: it all the time. She's only been busted once. 584 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go. 585 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: She turned to open IA's open AI's Chat, GPT, and 586 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Google's Gemini to help spawn ideas and review concepts, which 587 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: many teachers allow more often. Though AI completed her work, 588 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: she solved math homework problems and ace to take home 589 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: test chat GPT, did I. 590 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: Got a message for this kid, You're only hurting yourself. 591 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 2: That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT 592 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky 593 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to 594 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually 595 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: every class, she only got busted once. Yeah, the math thing, hmm, 596 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: that's a tough one because you probably not probably, I'm 597 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: sure this is true. I'm sure you can have AI 598 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: even show the work, and you could just write down 599 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: the work the whole show your work thing. Right, So, 600 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: but I was wondering about so if I'm writing a paper, 601 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: this would save a lot of time. And there's no 602 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: way you'd ever bust me on this. This is just 603 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: where we are in the modern world. Hey, GROC, I 604 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: need a founding father saying something about the importance of borders, 605 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: and it finds me one and I don't have to 606 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: dig through twelve old timy books and go to the 607 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: index and read paragraphs. 608 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: It's just right there. 609 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that would be kind of cheating. It's certainly 610 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: easier than it. 611 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 3: Used to be. 612 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like 613 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: the indirect educational process because like it or not, as 614 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: you're looking for A, you'll also learn B and C. 615 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: It's practically unavoidable. 616 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: And how could they stop you from running, you know, 617 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make 618 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: it a little better. 619 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: And or just summarize everything very briefly. I mean, my 620 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: daughter's in law school, for instance, And a big part 621 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: of it is you read just reams of information, then 622 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: you outline it, you candense it, you you know, boil 623 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: the cons or the actual you know, the things that 624 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: happen in the case down to the concepts that you 625 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: need to remember. 626 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: Boil us down for me. I'll be at the bar 627 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: at Saint Patrick's day right exactly. 628 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia, 629 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: is that the companies that make these tools are not 630 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody 631 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: is using it to cheat, because students are their big 632 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: customer base. 633 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 3: Well, so they hem and haw about. 634 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: We would like to release that to you, but oh 635 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: that's interesting right there. So I'm not trying to be 636 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: anti intellectual, but people have been saying this since I 637 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: was a kid, when computers, when calculators first came out. 638 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: What's the point of me learning this as long as 639 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: there's a calculator. Well that's really true now. I mean 640 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: every if every homo sapian in America over the age 641 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: of five is carrying a computer that can do all 642 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: of this math work. 643 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: Is there a value in learning how to do it 644 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: by hand? In case you're on a desert island. 645 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: There's something I don't know, Yes, there almost certainly is. 646 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: A neurologist could probably explain it to you that you 647 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: have a bedrock understanding of what you're doing and it 648 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: helps you in some way that I, as a politics guy, 649 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: can't really describe to you if I think you lose something. 650 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: But I also think that's the modern world. To a 651 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: large rock or something is going to write everything. It's 652 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: gonna write your legal briefs, it's going to write up 653 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: your business proposal, it's going to write everything. Is there 654 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: a reason to learn to write. 655 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: This? Is? 656 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 3: Well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane. 657 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: And I mean not just to be like a successful 658 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: hulmost sapien. I mean, well, I do mean, I mean 659 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: to be a financially siglect. To make it in the world, 660 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: you just need to know how to run grock. Don't 661 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 2: you to be better at that? 662 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, you need to write well enough to write 663 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: what you want and tell the computer. 664 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: Final note John B. 665 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: King, a chancellor of the State University of New York 666 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: system former Education secretary, set at a conference in October. Quote, 667 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: there are probably lots of students K through twelve and 668 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: higher ed who used chet GPT to do their homework 669 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: last night without learning anything. 670 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 3: That's scary. 671 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so 672 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 2: that's a problem. 673 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 3: Also, this is the scary all the way around. 674 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: I'm checking out of the modern world. I'm telling you 675 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: starting some sort of weird fundamentalist. You know, society. 676 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: Tired of being in a good mood. Tune in the 677 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty Show. 678 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 3: I guess the Armstrong and Getty Show.