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Speaker 3: Hi, everybody, Lindsay Davenport is joining me for this episode

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Speaker 1: From Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 3: From Oklahoma City, where we are attending an event to

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Speaker 1: I remember that match.

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Speaker 1: laughed my ass off, but it didn't happen like that.

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00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's who you were, and that describes you

440
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 3: and what you were going through as well. I mean,

441
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 3: you talk about it was a tough year for you,

442
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,040
Speaker 3: your family, and you know, maybe all the self doubts

443
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,760
Speaker 3: that you have about yourself. I think it's really interesting

444
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: that people have no idea about things like this, like

445
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 3: the things that the secret demons.

446
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 1: That you find you. Yeah, every player has them. But

447
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 1: and then also you have to remember, you know, in

448
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: a team sport, if someone's going through something, you have

449
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: teammates that kind of shield you and protect you and

450
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 1: maybe take over at certain points when they know you're

451
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 1: really struggling. In this sport, people go through an awful lot.

452
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it's life fucking happens. And yet you know

453
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: then they're out there playing poorly and we're like, oh,

454
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: they're not hitting their forehand that well, But you actually

455
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on off the court. You

456
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're going through on a personal

457
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 1: level day in and day out. They can't hide you

458
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: have to face it, and I think sometimes we lose that,

459
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: like that personal emotional touch with people and what they're

460
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 1: going through. I mean, nobody really knows what was happening

461
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: to Novak for all those months. You know, you guess

462
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: and you wonder, but and then you hear years later

463
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, I can't believe a person could

464
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 1: play through whatever. Yeah, is it one.

465
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 2: Match that shit, there's plenty. I'm sure that you wish

466
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: you could go back and change, But.

467
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 3: Is it one match that you that if you could

468
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 3: redo completely?

469
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean I lost the Wimbledon final and O five

470
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: and had match point. To lose a Grand Slam final

471
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: and have match point is pretty brutal. Yeah, there's not

472
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 1: something I would change on that point. Particular wasn't but

473
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: you know that one when you're that close, I.

474
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 5: Know what you would have changed.

475
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: You've told me you would have tried to hit it

476
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: to him.

477
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 1: No, No, you know, surprisingly I lost them. I feel

478
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: like I lost the match more. At four two, i'd

479
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: been up, I was up a break, and I think

480
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 1: I had a game point to hold her two, to

481
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: go up five to two. I feel like that's those

482
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,679
Speaker 1: Sometimes the crucial moments are a game or two before

483
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: Hingus and I talked about it. Hingus had some match

484
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 1: points maybe in an Australian Open final, Yeah, and she

485
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: was like, I go, yeah, it was tough. I also

486
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: really wanted to win one married and that I was

487
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,640
Speaker 1: married in two thousand and five. Lost the Australian Open

488
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: final and then the Wimbledon final. Having match point was tough,

489
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I give shit. I mean, Hall, everything

490
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: that she had to go through till she won her

491
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: first it's rough. You'd almost rather lose in the semis,

492
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: to be honest and not be as close.

493
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: I not get it. I have to say, though, having

494
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: known you so long and known sort of the arc

495
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: of your career and knowing you as personally, I.

496
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: Still I've told you this that the match that you

497
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: lost against Venus was actually I think.

498
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: One of your greatest matches, because I think you would

499
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: be the first to admit that a lot of some

500
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 3: of your matches that you lost in Grand Slam level

501
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: you kind of mentally shut down.

502
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: Yea, it was it was your defense. I didn't lose

503
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot of matches also playing well and tried my

504
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: ass off from first point to last point, and maybe

505
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: that's why it hurt even more.

506
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: That was the first really big match that I saw

507
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: you never give up. Yeah, Like, there was never a

508
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: moment where you were like, ah, you know, give the

509
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: hand flick or you know, kind of kind of mentally

510
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: shut down, right. I mean, listen, everybody has their defense

511
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: mechanism you seekis off, we see, you know, everybody deals

512
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: with it. But that was one match that I remember

513
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: thinking that the reason it had to hurt at the

514
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 3: time was because you felt like you did everything you could.

515
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think it's probably one of the

516
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: proudest for sure, But you'd still rather still rather have

517
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: four three. Okay, let's get into gas.

518
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, so then let's come because going back to

519
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: the first Wimbledon title you want, yeah, okay, tell us

520
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: that story.

521
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, it was a crazy, crazy Wimbledon. First of all,

522
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: it rained all the time. Everyone was backed up days,

523
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: there was there was not a roof on Center Cord.

524
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: There was no plans, so you know, and I was

525
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: getting kind of lucky with the schedule. I was first on.

526
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: I would get doubles and mixed and mixed, and so

527
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: I was scheduled.

528
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: You were lucky, Well, I had no choice.

529
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: Yes, So I was always scheduled first. For instance, I

530
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: remember around to sixteen day, I believe I was the

531
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: only match on the whole schedule to finish, and then

532
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: it rained for like two straight days, you know, so

533
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: little things like that were kind of happening. But so

534
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: I was in doubles and in mixed, and I think

535
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: we were on like the second Wednesday, maybe maybe even Thursday.

536
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: And at this point, I think I'm in the quarters

537
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: of singles, the quarters of doubles, and the third round

538
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: of mixed, and we were supposed to play Stephie and McEnroe,

539
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: and I was playing with Todd Woodbridge, and my coach

540
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: was like, listen, you have like trying to convince me

541
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: you have a chance here to win the singles. You're

542
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: still in doubles, We're coming into Friday, the weather still sucks,

543
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: like you got to get out of the mix. And

544
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, wood Bridge, he's gonna kill me,

545
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: Like I feel so bad. And then they're trying to

546
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: get us to go play on center court. Anyways, it

547
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: was kind of a mess. So I'm like, okay, I'll

548
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: pull out of the mixed. I literally go and Todd

549
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: is warming up out on his match to play men's

550
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: doubles three out of five sets, and I'm like, oh god,

551
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait. So then the referee at the time,

552
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: Alan Mills, calls me into his office and there's Stephie

553
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: standing in the referee's office, you know, like tapping her foot,

554
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: hand on hip, like, so, what's what's gonna happen. I'm like, well,

555
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull out, but hold on. Todd's on the court.

556
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: It's only three to two in the first and she's like, yeah,

557
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: but we gotta play. I gotta go out and play.

558
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: And the winners were already waiting, so that the referees like,

559
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: can we're gonna pull you out now? And I'm like,

560
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: I have to tell Todd. They're like, He's like, I

561
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: have to play this match. Stephie's still in singles, Venus

562
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: was still in singles. The winner played.

563
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: I think, just help me for one second, the fact

564
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: that you and Stephie and Venus are still in singles

565
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: and doubles and mix.

566
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we just like think about that for a second. Yeah,

567
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: Steffie was playing McEnroe too, Venus was still in she

568
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: was playing with Justin So I'm like they wanted to

569
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: play that match badly. So I'm like okay, you know,

570
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, fine, go on and play. Well, the

571
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: story goes. Todd's now in the second set, and you

572
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: can see the scoreboard from that back court. It was

573
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: like court ten and up now on center court that

574
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: scoreboard you could see it was McEnroe Versus. Give will

575
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: stop Venus. He's like, oh great, so that's how we

576
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: found out. I pulled out on him in the mix.

577
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Was not happy after I'd sent a note to the

578
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: locker room apologizing. I tried to explain, and you know, Todd,

579
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: he's a good sport about it now, but he has

580
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: not forgotten and he's not happy with me. So that

581
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: was like one thing that happened. I actually felt bad

582
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: about that. Then it rained so much. The final was

583
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: actually on a Sunday, and the men's final was right

584
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: behind us. More rain was coming. They're doing everything they

585
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: can to finish this. I was in the singles and

586
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: doubles final women's singles twelve noon doubles to follow immediately

587
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: on court one. Andre and Pete were in that final

588
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: July fourth, right after the women's final, So it was

589
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: like kind of a hustle out there. I do remember

590
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: I won the first set, and it was three all

591
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: in the second set, I believe when the rain came

592
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: and we had a pretty short rain delay, maybe like

593
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, and I remember that's right when I

594
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: had just begun to start panicking. I'm like, oh my god,

595
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting clothes. I'm getting clothes. That rain delay really

596
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: helped me a lot. I remember my coach Robert like

597
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: just really subtly, just saying like and it's weird, like

598
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: people say things, Oh you got this, you can do it,

599
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and that wasn't his way. And I remember him just

600
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: looking at me. He was like, you gotta breathe. You

601
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: can win this. And that's all kind of and we

602
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: tucked a little strategy, but like real calmly like and

603
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: I remember like kind of resetting like Okay, I can

604
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: win this. I can go out and do it. Ended

605
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: up winning. Same thing, like super emotional crying. None of

606
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: my family was there. My mom was working a volleyball

607
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: tournament in the States, and I went down to my

608
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: seat and I was like in shock, I couldn't believe it,

609
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: trying to catch my breath and I'm like, oh, I'm

610
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: going to go to the box, Like, isn't that what

611
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: you do here? And I start to walk and I

612
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: felt like a hand on the back of my shirt

613
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of pulled me back. Yes, and he's like, no,

614
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, no trophy here exactly. Well, and we're hustling.

615
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: This trophy is not in a bad way. But he's like,

616
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: I think the Duchess was already down on the court.

617
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: He's like, you're too late now, so just sit here, Like, okay,

618
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: no problem. We do this trophy ceremony obviously awesome. We're

619
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: coming off the court and as you know, Bud Collins

620
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: rest his soul would interview us as you were walking

621
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: off the court. Well, they put We walked off the

622
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: court together, Steph and I and they pulled her aside

623
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: first and right there waiting we're Pete and Andre ready

624
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: to come on the court. So it was kind of

625
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: like nerve wracking anyways, like I was the ball of

626
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: adrenaline because I'd won. They're waiting to come out. Steph

627
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: is getting interviewed by Bud, and remember standing there and Pete,

628
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: who I had grown up with in the same town

629
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: he was a little bit older, came walking over to

630
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: me a couple of feet and was like like, that's

631
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: so great, congratulations, I'm really happy for you. And I

632
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: remember going, oh my gosh, thank you so much. And

633
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: I remember Andre not saying word no problem. They're getting

634
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: ready to play a women's men's final, right then Steph

635
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: finished this.

636
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: She's unusual because he's usual. Of course, it's usually the

637
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: guy that's always like, well done.

638
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Of course, it feelosophical and congratulations, and he's all of

639
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: a sudden.

640
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: He's like, length, yeah, a little bit, yeah for sure.

641
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: But again it's a lot going on right there, Like

642
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: as you walk on the center court. No, I definitely remember,

643
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: like it's like that awkward do I say something? No, okay, whatever?

644
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: And then Steph walks by and he kind of like

645
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: pinches her on the butt as she walks by, and

646
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: I remember I remember going, that's weird. And then I

647
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: did my interview with Bud. Didn't you know the guys

648
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: go out to go play. Didn't think anything of it,

649
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: And it comes out like two or three weeks later

650
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: at a tournament LaCosta and Martine Hingkis is like, hundred,

651
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: I guess he's here, Like I heard he went to

652
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Stephie's room. I'm like, what is going on? And then

653
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: of course that was open, it like comes out that

654
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: they're dating, and the rest is like tennis legend history.

655
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: But I remember standing there at the entrance to Center

656
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Court being like.

657
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: That, Oh my goodness, what is going on.

658
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: I forgot about it immediately until like about two months later,

659
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I get it. Do you remember?

660
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember? Actually this is from me to know.

661
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: But did Steffie laugh.

662
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Or was she like? No? She was kind of busy.

663
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: She lost, and she had just told Bud Collins and

664
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: NBC that she would never be back at Wimbledon. So

665
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: I think for her by she wasn't didn't really know

666
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: if she was retiring right then she played one more tournament,

667
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: retired and that was the end. But she had just

668
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: made this announcement that she would never be back at

669
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: Wimbledon and then had lost and kind of walked off,

670
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: and I think she was kind of she didn't stop.

671
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: The rest is no, she kept walking, but still.

672
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: The ass pins she was the beginning of.

673
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: It made sense two months later at the Open, when

674
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: they kind of were then known to be dating.

675
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: That is such a great story, and you know the

676
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: greatest thing about that. There's only three people, maybe four.

677
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: Maybe Peyton was watching.

678
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if he picked up on that, maybe knew

679
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: about that.

680
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: That moment and you're one of those.

681
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: That's so cool went over in my head for a

682
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: little while.

683
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: All right.

684
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: So so you win there, you win in Australia, and

685
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: I just want to take a little bit.

686
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 5: Of credit here.

687
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you did, because we joked about it the whole

688
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: tournament ingots had won how many doubles and how.

689
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: Many won three doubles tournaments yea and three singles in

690
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: a row in Australia. Never lost a match in Australia ever,

691
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: in singles or doubles. And you had lost to her

692
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: in doubles a couple of.

693
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: Times, lesa one time, I'm sure, and she beat everyone.

694
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: She beat me a couple of times.

695
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: And then Lisa and I won our first Grand Slam

696
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: in two thousand, beating Martina Hingers in the final. And

697
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: after we won that match, you were to play her

698
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: the following day singles.

699
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: And I have to say, hold on. In ninety nine

700
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I lost semi finals in Australia. I lost it Kancheetah.

701
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: One year I lost to Maresmo the next year. I

702
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: was I think favored to win both of them. Martina

703
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: then went on to beat them easily in the previous finals. Yes,

704
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I had beaten Jennifer in two thousand in the Semis

705
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: and I remember going like, finally, like get through to

706
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: get to play her in an Australian Open final. And

707
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: then you guys played the doubles final Friday. We did, yeah,

708
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: and we won.

709
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: Yes, it was the first match she lost in Australia,

710
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty certain that it's it helped bring her

711
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: confidence level down to the point.

712
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: That it allowed you then to win. You know, that's

713
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: definitely you get some credit. I'll give you some credit there.

714
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: That match, I almost had one of the biggest chokes

715
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: of history though. I was up six to one, five

716
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: to one, and it got back to five all, and

717
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this point. It was love fifteen at

718
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: five all, and at this point my mind is like,

719
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe this just fucking happened. I cannot believe it.

720
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: We were there were Yeah, I hit one shot at

721
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: love fifteen. I hit a backhand up the line, either

722
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: for a winner or she maybe touched it. And I

723
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: remember that that point kind of settled me back down again,

724
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: but I was starting to like definitely spiral.

725
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what a great natch.

726
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: God, did you want every Grand Slam that you want

727
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: was in straight sets?

728
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

729
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

730
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 5: When you were good, you were good.

731
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when things would start to go awride

732
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: my problem solving skills weren't weren't perfect, had to be

733
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: going perfect.

734
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: You also said to me yesterday that you lost how

735
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: many doubles finals?

736
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I think I lost? I won three Grand Slam I

737
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: think I lost the finals eleven times. That's just first of.

738
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: All, I want to say, how unreal it is that

739
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: you played so many singles and doubles Grand Slams like that.

740
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Nobody does that anymore.

741
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was so great for me, like

742
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: to learn how to play on a break point in

743
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: a huge match, right, or how to take a short

744
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: played the back end, yes, outside, and you know, stuff

745
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: like that, And so the doubles definitely helped set me

746
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: up for single success. I think that's missing so much now.

747
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, these players get into the position for the

748
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: first time. They some of them are freezing where I

749
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: feel like if you have been there in doubles or

750
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a experience with it, it

751
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: kind of would help. I mean it shows too.

752
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: I mean you look at someone like a Sam Stozer,

753
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: who you would not think would win a Grand.

754
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 5: Slam and single, right.

755
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: I mean she was a great singles player when she

756
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: played well, but she had multiple doubles Grand Slam victories

757
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: before she won her singles, and she also had obviously

758
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: results in finals and things.

759
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: But I definitely think that that helped her.

760
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: Victoria Azarenka won mixed doubles Grand Slams before she won

761
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: singles Grand slams.

762
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt that for some people it

763
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: really would help.

764
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did that, I agree.

765
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: Or okay, so cut to.

766
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: What was the catalyst for you to pull the plug

767
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: and retire, because it's such a hard thing to do.

768
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: It's usually when you were still playing. Yeah, I thought,

769
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, I had my son in two thousand and seven,

770
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, when I was like seven

771
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: months pregnant. I waited till that point to think.

772
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: Did you consciously like go and try and have a baby, Yes,

773
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: you were, like how old were you.

774
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: When that happens?

775
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: So well, I had him when I was thirty one, Okay,

776
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: so yeah. I mean John and I at that point

777
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: have been together eight years, and it was like I

778
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: wanted a baby and he obviously was fine with wanted

779
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: one too.

780
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: I say, did he have a choice.

781
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, So I really thought I'd be done. And

782
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: then kind of like when I was like seven months pregnant,

783
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I think I'm gonna want to play again.

784
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I really miss it, and it was no problem. He

785
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: was great with it. Played a year. My knee was

786
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: not great. During that period. I had gone to Germany

787
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: and got stem cells from my back to try and

788
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: from my bone marrow to try and come back. Wanted

789
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: to play the Olympics. It was like a couple of

790
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: things in there. I never played well in the Grand

791
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: Slam stage, which I was a little bummed about. Played

792
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: the US Open in a way. My knee was not good,

793
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: and one match I kind of numbed it up to

794
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: try and play. Was trying to figure out how to

795
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: get through it. Came home and it was like, okay,

796
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna take the fall off. I was tired,

797
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: getting tough traveling with then a fourteen fifteen month old boy.

798
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: My husband couldn't travel all the time, so it was

799
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: away from him. So it was just kind of like

800
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: a weird feeling, and I went I was gonna go

801
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: get my knee operated on, had had everything done, and

802
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: the day before it's like, okay, we need you to

803
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: come in and do some tests, you know, like the

804
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: standard stuff. I said, okay, And so then late that

805
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: night I got a call from my doctor. It was

806
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: my friend and it was his cell phone, like, oh Hi,

807
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: He's like, so you're supposed to come in first thing tomorrow,

808
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: but I can't operate tomorrow. I said, oh, okay, what's

809
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: going on. He's like, well, your blood test shows you're pregnant.

810
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

811
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Well that was number two and that was not that one.

812
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: We had not been planning. Yes, So then well it

813
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: was you did well. So it was kind of a

814
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: nice segue because I don't know if I would have

815
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: come back from another surgery. I had had foot surgery.

816
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I'd had a really bad knee injury at the end

817
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: of two thousand and one. So it kind of just

818
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: worked out perfectly, and that there was little Lauren after that,

819
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: a perfect little Lauren. Yeah, ye.

820
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: Wit.

821
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to There's so many things that we could

822
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: talk about but because you're such a what what gave

823
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: you the.

824
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: Impudence to want to do commentary?

825
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: It's funny. So that fall, actually you know you're pregnant,

826
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: you don't say anything. For the first two months. Tennis

827
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Channel in Los Angeles had heard that I wasn't playing

828
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: in the fall, and they asked if I just wanted

829
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: to come in and do some stuff, and it was

830
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: local and so kind of just it started that way.

831
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: It started the Fall of Awight when I was pregnant

832
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: quietly with my second not and excuse me, Yeah, the

833
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Fall of a eight, and it just kind of grew

834
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: from there. I really have liked it. Listen, I'm not

835
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: shy of like I love the sport given me everything.

836
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I met my husband through it. He played,

837
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: We loved playing with our kids. I loved watching it

838
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: like I was a total nerd and fanatic about it.

839
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: You werenis you know you were an analyst when you play.

840
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I loved it.

841
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

842
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: I liked trying to figure matches out even when I

843
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: wasn't playing. It was hard for me because if someone

844
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: didn't play my game style, it didn't matter to me

845
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: if Amanda coats or beat Kancheetah Martinez. I could never

846
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: play like Amanda Coats or but it, you know, stuff

847
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: like that. I would get really into like will they

848
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: how will they in this match? So I don't know.

849
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: Some players, they they're either they don't really love it,

850
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: but they're so good at it they keep doing it,

851
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: or they're afraid to admit it. I don't know. I

852
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: loved it. I was happy. I'm I feel like I'm

853
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: lucky to still be involved in it.

854
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're very very good. I mean no, I

855
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 5: mean seriously.

856
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: There's listen.

857
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: I'm working television as well, so I appreciate people that

858
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: are good. And you are very good analysts, and that's important.

859
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: People appreciate that about you know, some X players and

860
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: don't really analyze that great, you know, but you do so.

861
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: They I know you're giving me the d edit bad. No,

862
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the edit that out, but go on,

863
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: go on.

864
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: No, I'm not any people are texting you, jesus.

865
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm just it's just a missed informational call.

866
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

867
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 3: So wait, one thing I did forget about, Lindsay is

868
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: the importance of the Olympics to you. Yeah, and maybe

869
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: what people don't know about you is after you won

870
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: your gold medal in Atlanta, Atlanta? Yeah you you you really?

871
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 5: What do you embraced that?

872
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Mom?

873
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't get it. What oh my tattoo? Yeah that's funny. Yeah, no,

874
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: you know. My dad was an Olympian. I always say

875
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: the Olympics in oh excuse me, and eighty four were

876
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I was eight years old and my dad,

877
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: who he once He had a horrible accident in the

878
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: early seventies and has not been able to bend Disney since.

879
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: So that took him out of being active. He then

880
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: segued into being an official. So, first of all, I

881
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: grew up with an official in a sporting in a

882
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: sport in my family, it was like nailed into us

883
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: how you treat officials. I would see my dad get

884
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: yelled at.

885
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 5: Interesting.

886
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was big and strong and tough. But

887
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: it's not easy when you're like five or six and

888
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: you're watching your dad get absolutely abused at times. And

889
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: he one time I was in the juniors, his loud

890
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: voice arguing with an official and he's yelling down three

891
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, two courts later, shut up, lanting like go play.

892
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he was tough, but not necessarily

893
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: about tennis. And I come up with the Gordy. He's like,

894
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: you know, every question and officials. I never knew that.

895
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: That's why you never really came. Not really A couple

896
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: of times I did. One time I wrote an apology

897
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: note to the official. Yeah, like never definitely happened. I

898
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: mean I did argue, and but there was times that

899
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: it would really it would really hit home. So anyways,

900
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: so in the eighty four Olympics, my dad was the

901
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: referee for representing the Americas for volleyball. My mom was

902
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: working there too, so they literally worked those whole two weeks.

903
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: I never really saw them. I have a sister sixteen

904
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: years older. Took me around to like every event, you know,

905
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: and I saw everything. I remember opening ceremonies she took

906
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: me to and was explaining who lights the torch all

907
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: this stuff, and it really became like ingrained in me.

908
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, have my dad played in this?

909
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: This is amazing. Even when I just made the team,

910
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: it was And you have to remember the US. We

911
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: had Monica, Jennifer, Mary, Joe, Gigi. We had really strong teams.

912
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: This was even before Venus and Serena, right, before they

913
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: started breaking through. Only three singles players made it, so

914
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: even just making the team was a huge accomplishment. And

915
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: then I won similar my family flew in it was

916
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: it was pretty awesome. So yeah, shortly after I got

917
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: like a tattoo on my on my back with the

918
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Olympic rings. Yeah, still there.

919
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: And actually I had more tattoos.

920
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: And people realize actually you and I were together when.

921
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: You go through my initials. Yeah, those two things mean

922
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: the world to me. I mean, as time passes, it's you,

923
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: it's the Olympics. But and a lot of has happened

924
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: in my life, but the oly winning the Olympic medal

925
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and having my kids or it's been amazing. I don't

926
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: regret either of those tattoos.

927
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was there for the watching you with

928
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: your face like im like I think i'd get the

929
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: writing a little different. But oh well, okay, so you've

930
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: had some amazing rivalries.

931
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: I got to play everyone starting in ninety one, I

932
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: played Nevertelova and singles before she retired, played Graf all

933
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: through the nineties there with Venus and Serena, you know,

934
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: through the bulk of their career while they're playing actually

935
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: ten years since I stopped so for a period of

936
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: their career. Kim just hingus amazing, amazing players. I mean

937
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: even you go like a Rancha Kenchetah, it's been I

938
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: was pretty lucky to play across. I mean I played

939
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: it as a Ranka in Monica Doubles Monica all the time.

940
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: It was you know, is Jennifer of.

941
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: All of those players, what was the one that you

942
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: actually like?

943
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: Not only it wasn't about winning Elzy, it was just

944
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: I really like this mess Stephie.

945
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: I loved it. Yeah, And you know I ended up

946
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: why because I did way better than I thought I could.

947
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that the final record, and

948
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this wrong, was like six and

949
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: four for Graft, But I won some big matches. We

950
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: had really close ones that she won. I really loved

951
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: to play her. Yeah, And why the slice didn't bother

952
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: me too much. I could hit at times hard enough

953
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: to where she couldn't just run me around the court

954
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: with the forehand. And I don't know, it's like one person.

955
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: I just never got negative when I played some players.

956
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: I think it was what you were get, what was

957
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: coming at you.

958
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: What was coming at me? The reputation her history was like, oh,

959
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: I can't act like a baby out here, and so

960
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: it kind of forced me to kind of my shoulders up.

961
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 5: In the end, like just maybe a total respect.

962
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: As well totally what she of course, Yeah, it's so interesting. Yeah,

963
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: And I thought obviously the world of her, and it

964
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, it's no shame if I lose too.

965
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: And two first that I played, I think I lost

966
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: six to zero. I remember being overwhelmed, and then I

967
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: think I lost seven to six, and then after that

968
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: match was like, oh okay, I can I can do Okay.

969
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: So it's so fascinating to me that I think it's

970
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: gonna be great for people to know the insecurities that

971
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 3: players feel even though they're great.

972
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, right book.

973
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: Dominant?

974
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And I was always a great junior player.

975
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: Like you, you are what you are, and you try

976
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: and fake it, and you should try and portray being

977
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: strong and everything else, but essentially it comes down to

978
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: you know who you naturally are inside, and sometimes it's

979
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: hard to overcome. Sometimes players can sometimes you fight through it,

980
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't grow up believing that I

981
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: was going to be great, and I never had that

982
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: self confidence instilled in me.

983
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: Do you, now doing a little bit of coaching with Madison,

984
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: do you see yourself as someone that can go God,

985
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: I have so much to offer somebody because I was

986
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: great and I know how to win. But I also

987
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: know what it's like to be a little bit insecure

988
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: about myself.

989
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure, it's very hard for me to

990
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: get close to many people, and so for me to

991
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: have like a significant relationship, I have to be able

992
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: to completely open up and be myself. And there's not

993
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: many people who I'm comfortable doing that with. I mean,

994
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: who knows why With Madison? I mean, I met her

995
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: when she was eighteen nineteen and we just kind of

996
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: developed this amazing bond and whatever. I mean, we don't

997
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: even have roles now. It's like it's just like where

998
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: every day goes by, we exchange some kind of communication

999
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so I feel like I can help

1000
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: her because I'm not scared to speak out or But

1001
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: that wudn't be the case with anybody. I don't know

1002
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: how to say that, but like a junior player or

1003
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: somebody that I just meet, it would probably be more.

1004
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, you can you know more on the surface,

1005
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: where if I really get to know someone and really

1006
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: like them and any question, Yeah you're gonna do it.

1007
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it.

1008
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: And so she I mean, we I've tried to help

1009
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: her through many things, and there's so many things that

1010
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: have gone on off the court that she's never talked

1011
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: about that she's had to overcome. And so, yeah, people

1012
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: know about surgeries or this, but she's a lot tougher

1013
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: than people give her credit for, and she's had to

1014
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: overcome a lot, and she has a lot of self

1015
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: doubt also, and she's doing a nice job of kind

1016
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: of trying to overcome that. In this age, it's a

1017
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: lot tougher to play also than when we.

1018
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: Play, absolutely, especially with social media, and she's exact great

1019
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: trying to you know, the anti bullying.

1020
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: Exactly with her fearlessly girl. And she has another I

1021
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: don't know when this is going to come out, she's

1022
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: got another huge event coming up.

1023
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she I did that event for her last year.

1024
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the world of her. She's just great,

1025
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: and she's you know, she's navigating a difficult career. It's

1026
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: not so easy.

1027
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: It's not especially someone so good, and there's a lot

1028
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: of expectation on her shoulder.

1029
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 5: But she'll get there. She'll win us a line, There's

1030
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. She's so close, all right.

1031
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: Something some fun like stories from Okay, doubles matches, doubles. Okay,

1032
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: there's one kind of crazy story that you know I

1033
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: haven't told much. I mean you would know the story.

1034
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: It's not doubles, but the end of the year in

1035
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, and I didn't even make a

1036
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: slam final that year, but everyone at the top was

1037
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of doing so well, like every all the points

1038
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: were kind of spread out.

1039
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1040
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: So it was right after nine to eleven and had

1041
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: to go play in Europe. Starts off in Fielderstad, quick court,

1042
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: played well, won the tournament, and then I'm like so scared. No, no,

1043
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: I was so scared to go to Zurich. We and

1044
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: we had tickets and we're like, okay, we're gonna drive Desserik.

1045
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: A lot of people did, Okay, So we drive to Zurich,

1046
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: end up playing well. It's like getting towards the end

1047
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: of the week, and then there's one week off there's

1048
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: and then the WTA Championships were immunie that year. So

1049
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: my coach is like, do you want to have a

1050
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: week off now that you're doing so well on Zurich,

1051
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to go all the way back home.

1052
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: There's a tournament in Lynz next week, and I go,

1053
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: and this is how we decide. I go, how far

1054
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: is Linz? I don't want to fly. I think we

1055
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: could drive it in t double day. I go, okay,

1056
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: well let's go to Linz. Then so I end up

1057
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: winning Zurich, two tournaments, go on to Lynz, drive the

1058
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: six hours over two days. Whatever we did, I can't remember,

1059
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: go to Linz, win Linz. It was kind of like

1060
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: this crazy run. So I've won three tournaments in a row,

1061
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: now going in the WTA finals, and now all of

1062
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, I have a chance to finish the year one.

1063
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: Kind of crazy. How it all came about certain players

1064
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: depended on their results. Anyways, I find myself on semi

1065
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: final day. If I win, I finished the year one.

1066
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: If I lose, I don't whatever reason. I'm playing Kim

1067
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: cleisters four all on the third and I have break

1068
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: point and I hit a backhand return line and I'm

1069
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: sure I shanked it late because I could doubt I

1070
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: would step in at that stage for a winner and

1071
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: Kim bounces a racket and the chair umpire goes over

1072
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: old out and I was like, like, so it's not

1073
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: my game now I didn't break serve. I'm like what

1074
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: I argued with Annlessarah Ulrich for forever. I love that

1075
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: you remember her forever. Well that's what I wrote the

1076
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: apology to it. So yelling arguing with her. Whatever I

1077
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: lose the next two point Kim's hold, I spend the

1078
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: next whole change over arguing at four or five now

1079
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: down in the third so much so the supervisor came

1080
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: out and was like you gotta like yeah, and like,

1081
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: which is exactly or the supervisor could have done too.

1082
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: They came out and were like you you've got to

1083
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: like let it go. Yeah. Anyway, So then we get

1084
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to a tie break in the third set. I am

1085
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: up five to one in the tie break in the

1086
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: third she hits a drop shot. I run up to it.

1087
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I get to back in in the court and my

1088
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: knee gives out. Ye, she misses the pass. I was

1089
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: on the ground. So I'm now up six to one

1090
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: in the break or six to two whatever it was,

1091
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: holding my knee, crying like oh my god. I can't walk,

1092
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: walk back, lose the next point. I don't know. I

1093
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: make one serve, I win the match, and I do

1094
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: not smile. I put my head down, walked the net,

1095
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: shake her hand. I've now finished the year one, put

1096
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: my rack in my bag. I walked off the court.

1097
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I didn't play again for an eight or nine months.

1098
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they had to get an exhibition match.

1099
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeh final couldn't play the final.

1100
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: I think had gone out the night before and was

1101
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: hungover totally and they made her play.

1102
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: Yep, I mean it was I knew immediately. They were like, oh,

1103
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: if you play, if you didn't play, they took away

1104
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: like money between the semis and finals. They deducted like

1105
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: fifty percent. And I remember John, my boyfriend, was like,

1106
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 1: can you just go out there and fake a set?

1107
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: I go, dude, I cannot.

1108
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 2: There is there a funny story?

1109
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I didn't play again until, like you said, I.

1110
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 3: Mean, everyone just one Like Darren k Hill told a

1111
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: hilarious one about his Well, you have to listen to

1112
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: the podcast, But what is there one story that you remember?

1113
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's like a lot of funny things happen.

1114
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: You kind of forget some I remember one year at Wimbledon.

1115
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ninety nine. I think it

1116
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: was the year before. I was playing Florencia Labot lefty

1117
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: from Argentina, which was okay on grass, I mean, but

1118
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: not great to play lefty, and we were playing on Monday.

1119
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: And I remember on maybe starting Saturday night, like I

1120
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: didn't feel great and you know, not like nerves like

1121
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't feel right. And Sunday

1122
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: like I practiced a little bit, but I wasn't feeling

1123
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: well at all, but didn't go to the trainers for

1124
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And so my coach Robert was like, Okay,

1125
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find you something. And

1126
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: again more things were open, yes in the nineties and

1127
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: the eighties, but not everything was open on Sunday in

1128
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Wimbledon village. So he came back and gave me this

1129
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: medicine for my stomach, like didn't think anything of it,

1130
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: took it and probably took more than I was supposed to.

1131
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: And then we were at dinner and I was like,

1132
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel horrible, and like ran out

1133
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: to use the potty or whatever. Anyways, get back and

1134
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: I start reading it.

1135
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: Four kids.

1136
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: At the time, No go back and start reading it

1137
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: and it's milk of magnesia, which was like a diuretic,

1138
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: and I like, literally all night you have no idea,

1139
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: Like there was nothing left in my body. I had

1140
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: to play like burst on and I remember like when

1141
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I, dude, I think you gave me like

1142
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: a like something you're not supposed to. It's like a

1143
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: laxative or something like. I was like, oh my god,

1144
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel so like I have no energy.

1145
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I have nothing. And I remember I

1146
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: was up six two five love and then I lost

1147
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: two games and I swear I felt like I'd played

1148
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: like four hours it was, and he was laughing so

1149
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: hard at me, and I was like, I can't believe this.

1150
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm like that. That was like you have to go

1151
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: to the bathroom in the middle. I think I did,

1152
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: which I think that might have been one of the

1153
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: few times I took a bathroom break. It was like

1154
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: we laughed for hours and hours after. But it was

1155
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: like so stressed playing that match because I knew before

1156
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: the match, I was like, oh my god, I have

1157
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: I have nothing left. Literally, oh my god, I can't

1158
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: even oh who that was that was I remember that one.

1159
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: I remember being like so crazy.

1160
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: You know, there was one story one time with me

1161
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: the Francis is a disgusting But now we were talking

1162
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 3: about poopy. I was before a doubles match with Lisa

1163
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: and Lisa. You know Lisa, she was always so prepared, right,

1164
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 3: she had the.

1165
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: Two of this and the two of that, and the

1166
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: skirts and the you know soup.

1167
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: Everything's packed really well.

1168
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: And it was outside talking to my fitness trainer and okay,

1169
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of gross, but you know when

1170
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: you got a little gas and you're like, I've gotta

1171
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: right and I was no, everyone was down wind. It

1172
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: was fine. I was like, no one was he I

1173
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: was talking to him. He wouldn't have smelled it was.

1174
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: And so I was like, I'm just gonna fight. And anyway,

1175
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: I didn't fight. I something else happened and I was like,

1176
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: I looked at him and I went, Dave, I gotta go,

1177
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: and he goes, okay, I'm gotta get ready for my match,

1178
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 3: and so I run.

1179
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 5: I didn't run because I had.

1180
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: Stuff that I didn't want.

1181
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: This is too much.

1182
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: And I went to the locker room and I literally

1183
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: walked up to Lisa, and I go, do you have

1184
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: an extra pair of tennis pants?

1185
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 5: Because remember.

1186
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: Pants?

1187
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: I go, do you have an extra pair.

1188
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 5: Of tennis pants?

1189
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: She goes, yeah, why, and I go, I just shipped

1190
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: my pants. That's a true story anyway.

1191
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, sorry I had to give that topic. Well you're

1192
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: shitting your pants? Yeah literally, no, no, not literally for me,

1193
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: literally for you. But it was like all night, been

1194
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: like during the match. No, no, it wasn't perfect. All right.

1195
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: So another funny story that you were telling me today

1196
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: was you have four children.

1197
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, so four kids. I always knew I

1198
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: wanted to name if I had a boy Jagger. I

1199
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: don't know why. It just was I'm not like a

1200
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger fan. I like the Stones, but that was

1201
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: always kind of I don't know, I thought it sounded great.

1202
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: So John kind of went along with that. And so

1203
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: the second one came and he was like, oh, I

1204
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: get to choose this one. I was like no, no, no, no,

1205
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: that's too much. He's like, well, you chose the first one,

1206
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: I know the second one, And funny enough, he was

1207
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: like adamant that the second one being named Olympia, and

1208
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: which is super funny now that Seren ended up. I

1209
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: was like, no, I didn't at that time, didn't like it.

1210
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: And I remember actually being in the room trying and

1211
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: my doctors like trying to calm me down because I'm like,

1212
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: we're not naming our daughter that, okay, would you stop?

1213
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: So we kind of after four days in the hospital,

1214
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: we have to have a name that stands alone. I go,

1215
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: we do not have to have a name that stands alone.

1216
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Were just we're just fine. So we ended up literally

1217
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: settling on Lauren. And it was the best I could negotiate.

1218
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: So it was like he was five names. I can't

1219
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: even it was crazy. So we settled on Lauren. So

1220
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: then we have the third and he's like, I am

1221
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: basically I'm fucking naming this kid.

1222
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

1223
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: Me out like, oh my god, I have to get

1224
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: like some approval. He's like okay. So it was like again,

1225
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: I mean, we're in the hospital for a few days.

1226
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: I had c sections on all four. It was like

1227
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: day three and he's like we have to leave. We're

1228
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: leaving the hospital that day. We still don't have a name.

1229
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: We obviously didn't agree on this. He's like, Okay, I

1230
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: really like the name Kaya I'm like okay, like I

1231
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: don't love it, but he's like, please, you owe this

1232
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm like, okay, fine, just had a

1233
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: third baby of yours. She's ten pounds. I owe it

1234
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: to you. Okay, whatever. So I'm like, okay, it can

1235
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: be Kaya. I get the middle name Emory. It's a

1236
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: family name on my dad's side, so I'm like, okay,

1237
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Kaya Emory, Okay, okay, I'll go with that. He goes okay,

1238
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: So the you have to sign like the bursts, like

1239
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: the all those papers in the room. So my husband,

1240
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: who's quite clever and quite mischievous and quite smart, he's like, okay,

1241
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: can we get the papers? Like and they're like okay,

1242
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: well do you want them? Are you gonna leave the

1243
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: hospital you want to come back? No? No, we're not leaving

1244
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: until we sign them. I go okay, whatever, sign the

1245
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: papers and he all immediately breaks down to this big

1246
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: grin because now it's done, yeah, done, like Maya is yeah.

1247
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: And it was like and I'm like, why are you laughing?

1248
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: What the what is going on? And he just starts

1249
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: thinks it's the funniest thing. He starts laughing, and he's

1250
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: on the couch. I go like, what he goes, Kay

1251
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: is Bob Marley's nickname for marijuana. That would be just

1252
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: fucking awesome, Like, oh my god, you did not just

1253
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: do that. He just like he's like, yep.

1254
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 4: I did.

1255
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: And now we're and she's yeah exactly, and you're stuck

1256
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: with it and you can't change it and we're going

1257
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: home now. So then yeah, that was I don't know why.

1258
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Some people really it like clicks and it agrees and

1259
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: we could never agree on a name. And she's she's

1260
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: but she's like the four kids, she's the only one

1261
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: that's she's like, could you say that? She's pretty mellow exactly.

1262
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like the most loving kid. And I'm like, oh

1263
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: my god, and I'm gonna have to explain to her.

1264
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, her dad, but that's her coolest thing ever.

1265
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: So there's just the really coolest kid. A really cool

1266
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: song Kaya. Bob Marley obviously sings it, and it's actually

1267
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: one of our favorite songs. I haven't told them what

1268
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: I've got to have Kaya now means, but the kids

1269
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: all sing it. It's like that, what's the it's the

1270
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: the movie with the movie with the with the pot

1271
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: with the Okay well, that was part of the joke

1272
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: that he thought was so funny. So okay, now I'm

1273
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: forty two years old. I have never even seen marijuana

1274
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: like that. Obviously, never smoked it, never seen it. We

1275
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: were somewhere, like, I don't know, six months ago. I

1276
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: was like, God, it smells. What is that. He's like,

1277
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're so innocent. He's like, it's Marimonolens.

1278
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: So that was he thought that was really funny, and

1279
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: his twisted sent to humor and the last child Haven

1280
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: because originally my name, my name, my ancestor's name was

1281
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Davin Haven when they came over from wherever in Great Yeah,

1282
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: no exactly, so it was Davin Haven turned to Davenport

1283
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: once they got over here. So I thought that was cool.

1284
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, She's definitely not Haven. You think like Serene,

1285
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: and it's just absolutely the opposite. So we got we

1286
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: got duped on that one. She definitely is not Kaya.

1287
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 5: No, not definitely not no.

1288
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: What you'll be hearing that name in the future in

1289
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: the wrong pages of the newspaper. Even chudg out, let's

1290
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: go do a kid's clinic.

1291
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 4: And that's it for this episode. Of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co

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Speaker 4: host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally

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Speaker 4: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong, Thanks to Tim Or, Jerry, Taylor

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Speaker 4: Dalton and the team at ACAST. Find us at racketmag

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