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Speaker 2: is part two of my exclusive interview with Nini Leeks
Speaker 2: where she gets into at everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you again. Why did you feel the need to
Speaker 1: sue Bravo, NBC and Indie Color.
Speaker 3: First of all, I can't say that much about it
Speaker 3: because we are still you know, in our lawsuit. But
Speaker 3: I had a love and respect for them that I
Speaker 3: honestly don't think they ever had for me. Honestly, and
Speaker 3: to this day, I still respect them for what they do.
Speaker 3: They do it great. You know, you cannot take that
Speaker 3: away from them. They're great at what they do. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I wasn't experience enough to know that in a lot
Speaker 3: of these corporate places they don't love you. I mean,
Speaker 3: they you're here to work, and then they can throw
Speaker 3: you out the door anytime they feel like it. I
Speaker 3: love them, and I had personal relationships with them because
Speaker 3: when I started Bravo, they weren't They were big, but
Speaker 3: they weren't big like they are now. So my contact
Speaker 3: people were I talked directly to you know, the president
Speaker 3: of the network, and directly to Andy, and directly to
Speaker 3: all the executives. I just talked to them directly, email them, directly,
Speaker 3: call their phones directly. Today they have grown so big
Speaker 3: that people aren't talking to them directly. You're talking to
Speaker 3: someone else to get to them. And that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: All I ever wanted on this show was to be
Speaker 3: treated fairly. And a lot of girls and the people
Speaker 3: that work on the show and behind the scene, they
Speaker 3: know that there was things that just were not fair
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 4: And it pains me.
Speaker 3: And hurts me deeply how I fought for some of
Speaker 3: the girls that are on the show, and how they
Speaker 3: did not fight for me to stay on the show,
Speaker 3: and how much I fought for them to stay on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: That's very painful.
Speaker 3: And who exactly the cast period, Like all of these
Speaker 3: girls know that there was unfair treatment because we all
Speaker 3: have been in group text messages where all of these
Speaker 3: girls have texts and said that they were feeling unfair treatment.
Speaker 3: They didn't get fair treatment. There's no secret. I have
Speaker 3: the text messages, they have the text messages. We've all
Speaker 3: been in group text messages for a very long time
Speaker 3: since we've been on the show, right.
Speaker 4: So I know the complaints.
Speaker 3: There's been times when we have complained and we all
Speaker 3: sat with the executives to talk about, you know, things
Speaker 3: that we felt that were not fair. And I just
Speaker 3: felt like I wasn't getting fair treatment, and I feel
Speaker 3: like I should have been treated differently, and I should
Speaker 3: have been I should have been giving better fair treatment.
Speaker 3: That's it, And I want you to know that I
Speaker 3: have always, from day one, been very open to sitting
Speaker 3: down and having a conversation to figure out how to
Speaker 3: work anything out, how to move forward, how to just
Speaker 3: anything that we could do to just move forward. I've
Speaker 3: always been very open to that. I can't say that
Speaker 3: the other side has been that way, but I have
Speaker 3: always been open. So I see a lot of people
Speaker 3: commenting and saying things like, you know, why y'all can't
Speaker 3: work it out, or why can't y'all do this? I've
Speaker 3: always been open to working it out. I've always you know,
Speaker 3: people say, well, maybe need didn't want to do That's
Speaker 3: not true. I've always been open to working it out.
Speaker 3: I've always been open to having a conversation. They have
Speaker 3: never wanted to have a conversation or they've never wanted
Speaker 3: to move forward in any kind of way.
Speaker 1: What led to it was that you were negotiating to
Speaker 1: come back season thirteen. If I'm not mistaken, maybe that
Speaker 1: and allegedly you were offered a limited role to come back,
Speaker 1: a maximum of six episodes. Yes, right out of what
Speaker 1: we now know, to be twenty something, And was that
Speaker 1: the start of you realizing that, Okay, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: the treatment that I deserve as an og as the
Speaker 1: person who gives so much to the show, that you
Speaker 1: have these other girls who don't give y'all nothing and
Speaker 1: they give fourteen episode guaranteed minimumly and here I am
Speaker 1: getting six. Was that the moment you realize something had
Speaker 1: to be done?
Speaker 3: No, I realized long time ago, and I think that
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they realized that I realized I
Speaker 3: wasn't getting fair treatment. I knew it a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I have been watching it for so freaking long. And
Speaker 3: as time went on, my episoide episodes, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 3: got less and less and less and less. It was
Speaker 3: like a phase out, you know. Oh, you started out
Speaker 3: with twenty or eighteen, and you went to sixteen, to
Speaker 3: fifteen and went to twelve. They went to ten, and
Speaker 3: you went to eight, then you went to six, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, you guys have offered me six episodes like no, no,
Speaker 3: this has nothing to do with imnee leaks. And I
Speaker 3: started from the beginning, it was just like, why am
Speaker 3: I being offered six episodes? Like explain that to me,
Speaker 3: and the only explanation that I could get was that
Speaker 3: you're unhappy. So in my mind, you gonna tell me
Speaker 3: I'm unhappy. How can you tell me that I'm unhappy?
Speaker 3: I'm not unhappy?
Speaker 4: What do you mean I.
Speaker 3: Just get six episodes because you think that I'm unhappy?
Speaker 3: Why am I unhappy? I'm unhappy that I got six episodes?
Speaker 3: I mean should I get more than six episodes?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Why is it a phase out?
Speaker 3: When there's other girls who are not the same complexion
Speaker 3: as me and started as an original housewife? Why are
Speaker 3: they being offered eighteen episodes? And I am being offered
Speaker 3: six episodes? What did I do? Because I don't know
Speaker 3: anything that I've done ever on this show that no
Speaker 3: other housewife in this franchise have not done. I've not
Speaker 3: done anything that no one else has done. There's been
Speaker 3: physical altercations on all of these shows, and I've not
Speaker 3: been involved in any physical altercation.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: There are so many times when people say things to me,
Speaker 3: like you pulled Kim wig. I said, you got a
Speaker 3: very mixed up. I never pulled Kim's wig. That was
Speaker 3: charade that pulled Kim's wig. Okay, be clear about who
Speaker 3: pulled it. I was standing there, right, And then people say,
Speaker 3: you got into a fight with Kim.
Speaker 4: Where is the fight? Did you see it? Where is it?
Speaker 4: What's it on camera? Where is the fight?
Speaker 3: You didn't see me in a fight anywhere, anytime ever
Speaker 3: on this show show? Right, So you have girls on
Speaker 3: other franchises pulling each other's hair, busting glasses. You know,
Speaker 3: they said, well you left the reunion. Well what reunion
Speaker 3: have you seen that a housewife didn't get up and
Speaker 3: walk off the show? A walk off of reunion. So
Speaker 3: I would like to know what it is that I
Speaker 3: did that someone else did not do. These girls have
Speaker 3: done way worse than I could ever have done. And
Speaker 3: then you go to, oh, well you pushed the cameraman. Well,
Speaker 3: so he was in the way. Okay, now what else
Speaker 3: is going on? So Teresa pushed Andy down at the
Speaker 3: reunion when he tried to stand up, So what else
Speaker 3: are you talking about? So there's nothing that I've ever
Speaker 3: done that no other housewife having done, if not worse.
Speaker 3: So I didn't under I understood why I was being
Speaker 3: given less and less and less. But I wanted to
Speaker 3: understand from their side, why what did I do? You
Speaker 3: can't tell me it's because you know, you made too
Speaker 3: much money. You know, when you got these other girls
Speaker 3: who are making more money. You know, what is it
Speaker 3: that I was doing? I saw what it was, and
Speaker 3: I've been watching it for a very long time, and
Speaker 3: again all I asked, what was fair treatment?
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel is a very outspoken housewife.
Speaker 4: Yes, I spoke to her recently as well.
Speaker 1: Oh what was that about?
Speaker 4: Go ahead out your question.
Speaker 1: Bethany Frankel has been very outspoken about housewives in a
Speaker 1: very negative light. You think, so, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she speaks out and says stay, But I
Speaker 3: also think she teeters a little bit around, Like I
Speaker 3: think she knows what to say and what not to say.
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting to me is because I do listen
Speaker 1: her podcast. She talks about how much money the girls make.
Speaker 1: She talks about how you know these the Housewives show
Speaker 1: now is a bunch of women fighting. I won't go back.
Speaker 1: They have this book. They asked me to be interviewed
Speaker 1: for her, and I'm like, I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: a part of a bug that talks about women this way.
Speaker 1: Like she's she speaks about a very negative life, but
Speaker 1: she also gets invited to watch What Happens Live. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there's a different treatment between you and
Speaker 1: Bethany at the end of the day, you both are
Speaker 1: all spoken women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a very big difference.
Speaker 3: First of all, you just said that she gets to
Speaker 3: get invited to watch What Happens Live. I've been on
Speaker 3: Watch What Happens Live more than any Housewife, certainly when
Speaker 3: he first launched the show. They use me and use
Speaker 3: me and used me to sit there.
Speaker 4: Over and over and over and over and.
Speaker 3: Over and over again to help Lunch watch What Happens
Speaker 3: Live and make it a success and the success that
Speaker 3: it is today. Because I personally do not think that
Speaker 3: Watch What Happens Live would be successful without the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives franchise period. I don't think that Andy would have
Speaker 3: any of his success without the Real Housewives franchises, period,
Speaker 3: because that is where he's known from. It's the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives franchise. And I also think that Bethany can speak
Speaker 3: and say things that I can't speak out and say.
Speaker 3: I can say some of the same things that Bethany
Speaker 3: is saying right now, and I would get criticized or
Speaker 3: I would not be invited here and invited there, and
Speaker 3: I certainly wouldn't be able to hang out with anybody
Speaker 3: in the Hamptons. I think she can say whatever she
Speaker 3: wants to say, and it's okay. I just am not
Speaker 3: in that position. I can't say whatever, and she's will
Speaker 3: still work. And I think if we speak and say
Speaker 3: some of the same things that she's saying, we can
Speaker 3: no longer work. Opportunities are being taken away. You can't
Speaker 3: you're not invited here. We don't like her, we don't
Speaker 3: want to work anything out with her. I don't get
Speaker 3: that same opportunity.
Speaker 1: You made some allegations about from Zosiak.
Speaker 3: First of all, where Kim Zosiak is concerned, I think
Speaker 3: all of the girls on the show all have felt
Speaker 3: some kind of way, including production about Kim Zosiak. Now
Speaker 3: that is not a secret, and I have the text
Speaker 3: messages to prove it. We have sat in meetings to
Speaker 3: discuss Kim Zoezier being able to do things that we're
Speaker 3: not able to do, I e.
Speaker 4: Take a trip together.
Speaker 3: None of us want to take those trips together because
Speaker 3: we know those trips are intense, and we know that
Speaker 3: you're going to be confronted and there's going to be
Speaker 3: some sort of confrontation. But for whatever reason, Kim never
Speaker 3: had to take any of those trips. We all had children,
Speaker 3: we had to leave our children behind. She never had
Speaker 3: to do that. She could skip the trips and stay
Speaker 3: home and we would have to be the ones I
Speaker 3: don't know, And she still got her check, and we
Speaker 3: still had to be on that show, on that trip,
Speaker 3: having confrontations, making sure this show was a success, and
Speaker 3: Kim would show up when she was ready to show up.
Speaker 4: And that is just the truth of the matter.
Speaker 1: If Andy Cohen is watching right now, what is it
Speaker 1: that you would like.
Speaker 3: To say to him, Hi, I heard you had two
Speaker 3: babies now, because congratulations you have a girl.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: I always knew you wanted to be a parent, But
Speaker 3: a cup, I don't have any hard feelings. You know,
Speaker 3: at one point you know I'm a Sagittarius, so at
Speaker 3: some point you know I may be mad with you,
Speaker 3: but then I get over it. I'm not the kind
Speaker 3: of girl that carries a grudge. I hold the grudge forever.
Speaker 3: I'm also not an ass kisser. Again, I'm gonna sagittarias,
Speaker 3: so I don't generally kiss ass and I will not
Speaker 3: kiss ass. I would just say that I hate that
Speaker 3: we're in this place. I really wish it was a
Speaker 3: way for us to find our way back to each other,
Speaker 3: because you know, life is short and you just don't
Speaker 3: want to carry ill feelings for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: You don't have to work together, you have to do anything,
Speaker 3: but it would be nice to either just to just work.
Speaker 4: Through the issues.
Speaker 3: There's been so many people with greater issues and friendships
Speaker 3: and they work through them. As I said to you earlier,
Speaker 3: Cynthia and I will never be best friends again, but
Speaker 3: we have We've talked, and we've worked through whatever issues
Speaker 3: we have. So when we see each other, we can laugh,
Speaker 3: we can talk, and we can sit at the table together,
Speaker 3: we can work together. I think it says a lot
Speaker 3: about a person when they can't just say, let's just
Speaker 3: move on, let's just we'll work through that moment. Let's
Speaker 3: just move on, because I honestly don't have any ill feelings.
Speaker 4: What happened has.
Speaker 1: Happened is the end result of this I mean, we
Speaker 1: can speak much on them, we'll move on, but it
Speaker 1: is the end result of this lawsuit. Would you like
Speaker 1: to go back on Alane of Housewives.
Speaker 3: I can't say that I personally would just like to
Speaker 3: go back on Atlanta Housewives. However, the fans have all
Speaker 3: asked for me, and the fans are the reason for
Speaker 3: the ratings, are the reason for the show being as
Speaker 3: popular as it is, and if I had to go back,
Speaker 3: it will be one hundred percent for the fans. Okay,
Speaker 3: not the check. The check is not a bad check.
Speaker 3: Although I think I check should be bigger. The check
Speaker 3: is not a bad check.
Speaker 1: Do you watch the show now? I do not watch
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: However, I have watched a lot of the clips that
Speaker 3: come down social media. I don't even know how to
Speaker 3: turn my TV on. I think everybody that knows me,
Speaker 3: including Andy Cohen, knows this about me.
Speaker 4: I don't watch TV.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the clips you've seen online?
Speaker 3: I thought the clips online, well, they weren't, you know,
Speaker 3: that entertaining. I've had the opportunity to meet a lot
Speaker 3: of the girls that are on the show currently and
Speaker 3: just meeting them in person, they weren't entertaining or they
Speaker 3: were not, Like I just don't see any stars on
Speaker 3: the show if I so.
Speaker 1: We have Kenya, Candy, Charae, Sonya, Drew and Marlow. Out
Speaker 1: of those six women, do you see any stars in them?
Speaker 4: I do not.
Speaker 1: Okay, how do you feel about Marlow getting a peach?
Speaker 3: You know, from what I've heard and from what I've seen,
Speaker 3: Marlowe is the one that's bringing the.
Speaker 4: Most entertainment on the show. That we really have a problem.
Speaker 3: So if Marlow is the biggest entertainer on the show,
Speaker 3: they have got to do something.
Speaker 4: Why is that?
Speaker 3: No, not that she's not entertaining, It's just shocking that
Speaker 3: this has been a person that was a friend to
Speaker 3: the show for many years and now she is bringing
Speaker 3: the most entertainment. That sells a lot about those girls
Speaker 3: who've been holding those peaches for years. They need to
Speaker 3: take away they peaches and let them become the friend then,
Speaker 3: because if she's been the most entertaining person on the show,
Speaker 3: that's crazy. Some of those girls have been on the
Speaker 3: show that they are paying some of the other people
Speaker 3: probably way more than they're paying Marlowe, and Marlow is
Speaker 3: the most entertaining, then they need to give marlow some
Speaker 3: of these other people's check, and some of them need to,
Speaker 3: you know, take a back seat.
Speaker 1: Does Marlow deserve to have a peach? You know, I
Speaker 1: think so now, Yeah, A lot of people have said
Speaker 1: that Marlow is the reason why you don't get a
Speaker 1: friend of a peach. They feel like people have said
Speaker 1: that marlow is the reason why you don't give a
Speaker 1: friend of a peach. They felt like marlow was best
Speaker 1: served as a friend of to the show Pop In,
Speaker 1: Pop Out, and Goodbye. A lot of people can't stomach
Speaker 1: marlow being full time. They don't think she has the
Speaker 1: gravitaze to hold the candle of what a peach holder
Speaker 1: brings to the show, and they feel like she was
Speaker 1: better served as a friend of. If you were still
Speaker 1: on the show, would you have wanted Marlowe to be
Speaker 1: a peach holder posing alongside you the main time.
Speaker 3: I can understand what people are saying and what they mean,
Speaker 3: but I have a relationship with marlow Oh therefore, I'm
Speaker 3: happy to have a friend that I know to hold
Speaker 3: a peach, you know, but I understand what they mean.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like, now, why y'all gave her a peach?
Speaker 3: I get what they're saying, but I'm happy to seeing
Speaker 3: Marlowe in the role.
Speaker 4: Though I get it.
Speaker 1: Do you think Candy's overrated and overpaid?
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: Tell me why.
Speaker 3: I just don't think that you know me and Candy.
Speaker 3: Just so for the record, so that everybody can know,
Speaker 3: I just always want to speak very freely and very honest.
Speaker 4: Candy and I have.
Speaker 3: Severed any issues that we had, which I don't think
Speaker 3: that I never ever understood why she has so much
Speaker 3: animosity towards me and some of these other girls who
Speaker 3: are ripping her apart. Like she's back friends with Porsche now,
Speaker 3: and I love Porsche, but I would not be friends
Speaker 3: with Porsche if I was Candy. According to what Porsche
Speaker 3: and Faith did to her, then she should probably never
Speaker 3: be friends with her again.
Speaker 4: But she she's.
Speaker 3: Found a way to bridge the gap and now they're
Speaker 3: there talking, So I get it. But it felt like
Speaker 3: to me like Candy held the biggest grudge against me,
Speaker 3: and all we had was petty little arguments and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think that Candy is not exciting.
Speaker 3: I just don't think she's an exciting I don't think
Speaker 3: the camera loves her. I just don't think the camera
Speaker 3: loved I think the camera loves her family, but I
Speaker 3: don't think they love her, and so I will. I
Speaker 3: don't think the viewers or anybody will ever see Candy
Speaker 3: as much as they want to make Candy like the
Speaker 3: star and she's like he's been there for one hundred
Speaker 3: years and she is her. I don't think now one
Speaker 3: person tunes in and believes that. I believe everybody tuned
Speaker 3: in and be like, Okay, there's Candy, Okay, now what's
Speaker 3: going on West Kendy, Okay, where's I don't think that
Speaker 3: anybody too, and then be like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 3: just bringing it and she's so everything. I don't I
Speaker 3: think people look at it and they be like, Okay, next.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody is like that with it.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 3: And I have to go except further and say I
Speaker 3: believe that production in the network wanted it to be
Speaker 3: that way. I think that they wanted girls on these
Speaker 3: shows who were who did not have the it factor.
Speaker 3: I said years ago that most of these girls have
Speaker 3: the eye, but they do not have the tea.
Speaker 1: Atlanta Housewives, at one point in time, was the number
Speaker 1: one show on the network consecutively for more than five years.
Speaker 1: Arguably it no longer is the number one showing. Bravo
Speaker 1: is below deck the number one Housewives show, the number
Speaker 1: one show of Housewives is the Real Housewives of Billy Hills.
Speaker 1: Atlanta Housewives, I think has fallen to the number three.
Speaker 4: Slots, and I think they wanted it that way.
Speaker 1: You do why?
Speaker 4: I just do.
Speaker 3: I just think that they did not want these girls
Speaker 3: to be the number one show.
Speaker 4: I just do. That's just a personal thing.
Speaker 3: I just feel like they just did not want these
Speaker 3: girls to continue to be number one.
Speaker 4: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: Why has Alanta Housewives slid from the number one spot?
Speaker 1: And people are saying that the show has not become unwatchable.
Speaker 4: You're asking needy leaks, why.
Speaker 1: Do you like? Okay, listen, do you want my opinion? Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get read of this and that's fine.
Speaker 4: Why you would get rid opinion?
Speaker 1: Oh god forbid, I have an opinion? Howey it goes
Speaker 1: on shade room and you share room, Hey, neighborhood talk.
Speaker 1: But it's fine. I'm going to be very honest with you, okay.
Speaker 1: And this is me speaking as a producer on the show.
Speaker 1: I started out dating one as an associate producer, bottom level,
Speaker 1: so I've seen things from a bird's eye view, like
Speaker 1: this is how it works. That show needs an anchor,
Speaker 1: that show needs somebody which I'm saying to you is
Speaker 1: always you. That show needs somebody that can rally the troops.
Speaker 1: My all time favorite trip of Atlanta Housewice's history will
Speaker 1: always be Savannah. I love Savannah. You have fun. That
Speaker 1: was a shade and it was really sisterhood. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying this because in my face I said this.
Speaker 1: Behind you back, you were able to orchestrate the conversations
Speaker 1: and they I saw them look to you like what
Speaker 1: are we doing? When you said okay, let's pick room,
Speaker 1: let's go upstairs, they all looked at you like Nini
Speaker 1: is the anchor, and that's not shade. And that's why
Speaker 1: the problem to me now is there's no anchor.
Speaker 3: You are by far the shadiest show runner I have
Speaker 3: her sat with, by far. And one of the great
Speaker 3: things about you, as I said earlier, is that you know.
Speaker 4: All the girls. You knew what made us tick.
Speaker 3: You know, you knew that I'm gonna call Nini in
Speaker 3: and this is gonna piss her off today.
Speaker 4: Or you knew to call Nini and Nini could call us.
Speaker 3: So you knew those things because you had a personal
Speaker 3: relationship with each and every one of us, and each
Speaker 3: and every one of us were able to call you
Speaker 3: when we needed something, and so that's a great thing
Speaker 3: about you. So when the other show runners come in,
Speaker 3: they don't know us, you know what I mean, They
Speaker 3: don't know our personalities trying to get to know us.
Speaker 4: You knew our children, you knew our.
Speaker 3: Husbands, and all those things made for a great show
Speaker 3: with you being able to know all of our relationships.
Speaker 4: And I will tell you what me and Mike.
Speaker 3: Glam talked about before coming out here, Like Destiny's Child,
Speaker 3: it could never be Destiny's Showers without Beyonce, And I
Speaker 3: feel like I don't want to give myself that. But
Speaker 3: the truth is, I started the show again. I shot
Speaker 3: the pilot, I did season one. I am an original housewife.
Speaker 3: I knew what the show needed. I gave the show
Speaker 3: everything and needed. And I think it's very difficult to
Speaker 3: grab that person and take them off of the show
Speaker 3: and really think that you're going to be able to
Speaker 3: put somebody else in that position. It just could never work.
Speaker 3: It just could never work, and I don't think it
Speaker 3: will ever work.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: What I do feel like they might possibly could do.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it's gonna work. Is to tell everybody.
Speaker 3: It's been real by by and start a whole new
Speaker 3: cast that other than that, to keep trying and bringing
Speaker 3: these people back in and out, in and out, in
Speaker 3: and out, and it's just not gonna work.
Speaker 4: We already know what they did. You're gonna bring the back.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was fun.
Speaker 3: Why did you take her off in the first place? Okay,
Speaker 3: you bring this bro? Why did you leave? Take her off?
Speaker 3: Why is she back? You know, it's just like, what
Speaker 3: are you guys doing? And the friends of the show
Speaker 3: is who I'm confused by. I'm very confused by the friends.
Speaker 3: I am looking at the show like who are the
Speaker 3: friends and why are they here? That's why I keep
Speaker 3: looking at like why did the friend get here? Why
Speaker 3: is she the friend? And why is she on the show?
Speaker 3: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Is it sad to see the house you built crash
Speaker 1: and burn?
Speaker 3: Oh it is? Oh it is? Oh it is. I've
Speaker 3: said it so many times. This is a shame, and
Speaker 3: it's a shame.
Speaker 4: That they don't get what it needs.
Speaker 3: That's the real shame is they don't really understand what
Speaker 3: the show really needs.
Speaker 4: It's really simple to us. I mean we're looking at
Speaker 4: the show like this is really Where is.
Speaker 3: The fabulousness of the show. Where is the girl? I
Speaker 3: don't feel like I feel like you do too. I'm
Speaker 3: not if everybody is there just to get a shape
Speaker 3: of girls who are not working, who are not giving.
Speaker 4: They all like Kenyan, for instance.
Speaker 3: We know that Kenya can give, she can read, We
Speaker 3: know that she can come in and do a whole scene,
Speaker 3: but we're not seeing that. And I think that that
Speaker 3: is because she's not interested, because there's not interesting talent
Speaker 3: there for her to be interested in, you get what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So she had somebody there.
Speaker 1: She's bored, right, she's bored, and.
Speaker 3: She had somebody there to read that she and she
Speaker 3: can get read, and then she would be you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like, girl, you're about to get rid
Speaker 3: because you ain't gonna take me there, because I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to come for you.
Speaker 3: And so same thing with ken You need somebody to
Speaker 3: grab her up and take her there because otherwise she's
Speaker 3: just chilling, you know.
Speaker 4: So she's just like, Okay, I'm just getting this check.
Speaker 3: But you bring some of these girls and her who's
Speaker 3: going to really read you, girl and not really care
Speaker 3: about you being here for ten years? Then you're gonna
Speaker 3: do your job, because we're about to gather you now.
Speaker 3: And so I think they they just missed it. They
Speaker 3: just missed it, and they need other girls to come
Speaker 3: on the show now. I do hear that Marlowe is
Speaker 3: reading Candy a lot. I will have to do my research,
Speaker 3: but I hear that she is reading Candy for the gods,
Speaker 3: not the gods.
Speaker 1: Lord.
Speaker 3: Yes, say Candy's getting red honey. Yes, and you come
Speaker 3: through Candy down now. No Candy can screamed bag honey,
Speaker 3: so come on.
Speaker 1: So she's doing her job.
Speaker 4: So it seemed like marlow is doing her job.
Speaker 1: And who else is.
Speaker 4: Working on the show now?
Speaker 1: Sure is there?
Speaker 4: And what is she doing?
Speaker 1: She started off dating Martel.
Speaker 3: All right, and she's no longer with him. I got
Speaker 3: across my leg, sorry, and she's no longer with him.
Speaker 1: And I felt like there were moments of her becoming
Speaker 1: an anchor.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were trying to get her to become an anchor.
Speaker 3: I could see that, maybe best because she's an original,
Speaker 3: but I don't think she has it in her to
Speaker 3: rally the girls and give them that voice and be
Speaker 3: that person.
Speaker 4: I just don't see it.
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Speaker 1: into the show. Let's talk about your friendship, your celebrity friendships.
Speaker 1: You and Wendy Williams had a great friendship at one
Speaker 1: point in time. Yes, she is now going through something
Speaker 1: very troubling and it doesn't look good for her. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: We're all praying for Wendy. But going back to yall
Speaker 1: great friendship at one point in time it ended. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be very honest with you. When Wendy's talk show
Speaker 1: was on bing know what you're gonna say. It was
Speaker 1: appointment television. I love Wendy and I still have Wendy,
Speaker 1: but you're my girl, and people know we ripe for
Speaker 1: each other. I did not like when she referred to
Speaker 1: you as the girl over there. I just didn't like
Speaker 1: it because I felt like, and this is no shade
Speaker 1: to Wendy, I felt like, at some point everyone's life
Speaker 1: were that girl boy over there. We all are that.
Speaker 1: At one point, Wendy was that doing radio. And then,
Speaker 1: through the grace of God has blessing, you have a
Speaker 1: daytime syndicated talk show, which is huge. You're not somebody
Speaker 1: that was. You're the biggest reality star in the world.
Speaker 1: So to refer to you as the girl over there,
Speaker 1: like she was better than you. I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: And you two were still friends. When she would say
Speaker 1: that about you, would you call her and be like, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: what's really going on?
Speaker 3: I would be very confused. There's many times as I've
Speaker 3: called Wendy. But also you have to know that I'm
Speaker 3: one of her friends that were on kind of on
Speaker 3: the inside. So I saw a lot of things and
Speaker 3: I would take it with a grain of salt, where
Speaker 3: other people would take it personal. Right, So Wendy saying that,
Speaker 3: I knew then that you know something's going on with
Speaker 3: Wendy at this moment, because that's you know, she wouldn't
Speaker 3: say that any other case. So my friendship with Wendy,
Speaker 3: I would have to say this was off and on
Speaker 3: a lot. I would have to say that I really
Speaker 3: liked her a lot, and.
Speaker 4: When she was fun, she was really fun.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed going to New York, being with Wendy, going
Speaker 3: out and having drinks with her, going to her beautiful
Speaker 3: place that she has.
Speaker 4: We would go out to dinner and drinks.
Speaker 3: I saw her switch on me, like right in the
Speaker 3: same day, you know, change, And I don't know what
Speaker 3: happened with change and be something else or do something else.
Speaker 3: But honestly, I really liked her. And every time it
Speaker 3: would be like, we're having a great time, and then
Speaker 3: suddenly I would turn on the TV and she would
Speaker 3: be saying something about me and I'd be like, we
Speaker 3: were just having a damn good ass time, Like how
Speaker 3: do we get here now? Like why is she saying
Speaker 3: that about me? I would try to think to myself
Speaker 3: that it was because she was doing TV and she
Speaker 3: was just making a great show. But I would always
Speaker 3: even say to her that Wendy, you have to have
Speaker 3: at least like two friends that you're gonna be friends with,
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna be going in on them like
Speaker 3: two like you talking about everybody else with these two
Speaker 3: friends right here, like I'm gonna say them, but it
Speaker 3: would never be me. I honestly felt like Wendy was
Speaker 3: in a place where she didn't care about any of
Speaker 3: her friends anymore, and she would just say whatever she
Speaker 3: had to say. I hated that because I really liked
Speaker 3: her as a person, no matter what was going on
Speaker 3: on her show, no matter what was going on in
Speaker 3: her personal life.
Speaker 4: I just liked her as a person.
Speaker 1: When was the last time you spoke to her?
Speaker 4: It's been a while. I would have to say.
Speaker 3: The last call she made it to me, and she
Speaker 3: was trying to I feel like, trying to resolve whatever, like.
Speaker 4: Hey, how are you? I'm sorry, you know, like trying
Speaker 4: to apogast.
Speaker 1: Was she off the talk show at that point? I
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 3: Say, I think so, and not off the talk show?
Speaker 3: They had not said her show was gone. Okay, it
Speaker 3: was a moment people were like.
Speaker 1: Hosting substituting her seat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we just at that moment, I didn't even
Speaker 3: want to hear it.
Speaker 1: So is it true that you had a talk show
Speaker 1: with Tom Arnold? A deal for you and Tom Arnold
Speaker 1: to have a talk show kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: Kelly and Ryan that was going to be produced by
Speaker 1: the same production company who produced the Windy Williams Show,
Speaker 1: and that when you two got into it and you
Speaker 1: made a statement that you're that I'm coming for you,
Speaker 1: that she gave the production company ultimatum and ultimately they
Speaker 1: decided to not pursue the talk show with you and
Speaker 1: Tom Arnold.
Speaker 3: I had to deal with that my Mercury and which
Speaker 3: is the same company that produces the Wendy Williams Show.
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if they had locked in my
Speaker 3: co host at the time, but we did have talks
Speaker 3: with Tom Arnold and others. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: had a deal with them as of yeah, but I
Speaker 3: had a deal in the works with them. And she
Speaker 3: and I got into our thing. I think I had
Speaker 3: a burking bag and Kim Kardashian had one and we
Speaker 3: had put graffiti on it, and she said that, you know,
Speaker 3: like she can afford to do that, but Kim them
Speaker 3: could afford to do it, and I was like, listen window,
Speaker 3: you know, And when I said that, you know, we
Speaker 3: kind of went back and forth, and both of us
Speaker 3: was at this women empowerment thing and just anyway, it
Speaker 3: just went super left. All I know is we went
Speaker 3: back and forth and they pulled to my deal.
Speaker 1: How did you find out they pulled the deal through
Speaker 1: my attorney?
Speaker 4: They just the deal wasn't going any further.
Speaker 3: And I was like why and it was I said
Speaker 3: something in the press or and everything. Whatever they said,
Speaker 3: I said, because we can google it. Whatever it is
Speaker 3: that I was supposedly said, I didn't say it. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, dat Mar Mercury pulled
Speaker 3: my deal and I no longer had a deal to
Speaker 3: do a talk show and probably was probably the last deal. Well,
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of people to come to me
Speaker 3: about doing a talk show, but I've never been able
Speaker 3: to do a talk show.
Speaker 1: Since Why is that? You think?
Speaker 4: I don't know? Like I was put on the list
Speaker 4: of I can't do a talk show.
Speaker 1: Do you think you're black balled?
Speaker 4: I was. I was there myself.
Speaker 3: I have been able to work, you know a little now,
Speaker 3: but for a long time. Yes, and definitely in certain
Speaker 3: areas like podcasting. No talk show. No, That's always been
Speaker 3: a no for me. Like no matter I've wanted to
Speaker 3: do a podcast or wanted to do a talk show,
Speaker 3: has always been a no. It's always been a no.
Speaker 3: And I've had many people to come to me with
Speaker 3: offers and then they just die.
Speaker 1: So you would get presented office for talks from podcasts
Speaker 1: and you would engage with them and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it goes away, And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it goes away like a phone call is made or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, we could be in a full on negotiation and
Speaker 3: suddenly it just goes dead. That has happened many times.
Speaker 1: Does that make you sad? Though?
Speaker 3: It makes me very sad because the one thing I
Speaker 3: always says, I'm a black girl with blond hair.
Speaker 4: Now I can't beat you and you can't be me.
Speaker 3: Right, So what I bring to the table, you're not
Speaker 3: actually bringing to the table right. And I also think
Speaker 3: there's enough money out here for everybody and for all
Speaker 3: of us to eat. And who even says that my
Speaker 3: podcasts or my talk that will even be successful, Like,
Speaker 3: give me the opportunity, let me have the chance to
Speaker 3: be able to do it. So I was in many
Speaker 3: talks to do many things and they would just die.
Speaker 3: And that's not by chance, that's not by chance.
Speaker 1: What is it that you would like to do now?
Speaker 1: Like what is on Niini's vision board that if someone's listening,
Speaker 1: who's able to grant you the opportunity of your dreams.
Speaker 1: What is it that you would want right now in
Speaker 1: this place in your life.
Speaker 3: I love talk, so obviously talk is probably in the forefront.
Speaker 3: I love to talk and I love to act, so podcasting,
Speaker 3: talk shows, TV series.
Speaker 4: All those things.
Speaker 3: I love everything entertainment, though honestly, probably ones no greater
Speaker 3: than the other. I love any and everything entertainment.
Speaker 1: Do you think you should be bigger than Kim Kardashian, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: if not bigger right there with her.
Speaker 3: I felt like they pushed Kim and they didn't push me.
Speaker 3: Kim came on after me, and they opened up every
Speaker 3: door and every opportunity for her, even putting us together
Speaker 3: at times and making her, you know, much more bigger
Speaker 3: than me.
Speaker 4: She had North.
Speaker 3: Obviously I was at North baby shower with her and Kanye.
Speaker 3: But they pushed Kim to the front and pushed me
Speaker 3: to the back. And I don't think that was by
Speaker 3: a chance. I think that was the way they.
Speaker 4: Wanted to be. We were together because.
Speaker 3: I was needy and I came out before her, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of looked good for us to be together.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel Chris had a talk show. I
Speaker 3: cohost with Chris on the talk show. I just think
Speaker 3: that they made her more successful and she was able
Speaker 3: to get opportunities and open walk through doors that they
Speaker 3: just did not want me to walk through. She did shootdowns,
Speaker 3: I did shootowns around the same time, and they just
Speaker 3: pushed her stuff forward and they were always giving opportunities.
Speaker 3: And one other thing is that whenever we had businesses,
Speaker 3: we it felt like we couldn't really show them that
Speaker 3: much on our show, But on their show, they all
Speaker 3: they do.
Speaker 4: Is talk about their businesses.
Speaker 3: And all they do is, you know, talk about lunching,
Speaker 3: their makeup lines or their clothing lines, or their whatever
Speaker 3: they're doing. And I don't feel like we were able
Speaker 3: to do that as much. So I just wasn't given
Speaker 3: the opportunities.
Speaker 4: That she was giving.
Speaker 5: I want to play a game with you, because game
Speaker 5: I don't play games.
Speaker 1: You were famous for saying some people are stars and starless,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say some names, and I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me if they're stars or starless. Giselle Bryant starless,
Speaker 1: Robin Dixon starless, Kenya Moore.
Speaker 4: In between start his.
Speaker 3: I don't know you know, I think, honestly, can I
Speaker 3: talk about Kingya a few minutes.
Speaker 4: I feel like.
Speaker 3: There was a moment when Kenya could have been this
Speaker 3: big star because she was to the black community, because
Speaker 3: she was Miss Usa and she was this beautiful black
Speaker 3: barbie that had won that pageant. And I feel like
Speaker 3: coming on Housewives change how people saw her and viewed her.
Speaker 4: I think showing.
Speaker 3: Her mean side or whatever side that was aggressive or
Speaker 3: in your face side. I think the people that enjoyed
Speaker 3: watching pageants enjoyed her as Miss Usa. When they saw
Speaker 3: her in that role, they were kind of like shocked, like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she's like a villain, because.
Speaker 4: She was a villain, And.
Speaker 3: I think it changed how people felt about her because
Speaker 3: people really put her on a pedestal and looked at
Speaker 3: her one way, and then once she stepped onto Housewives,
Speaker 3: I think they saw her another way. So I do
Speaker 3: think there was a moment where Kenya was a star,
Speaker 3: and I think I would have to say that reality
Speaker 3: didn't help her star.
Speaker 4: That may be a better way to say it.
Speaker 3: What about Porscha, You know, I think Porsia has star potential,
Speaker 3: and I think with the right people around her, I
Speaker 3: think there is a potential. I don't see Faedra as
Speaker 3: a star, not as a TV star or anything like that.
Speaker 3: I always be pa I'm sorry, it's more corporate or
Speaker 3: entrepreneur like. I don't see her like TV star, see
Speaker 3: her like entrepreneur star.
Speaker 1: Candy.
Speaker 3: I don't see Candy as I've never so I can't
Speaker 3: even pretend today.
Speaker 4: I've never seen Candy as a star.
Speaker 3: I have seen Candy as a supporting star, but not
Speaker 3: as the star, but as a supporting star.
Speaker 1: Claudia Jordan starless who won between you and Claudia and
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3: I'm always the winner, and so I obviously won. But
Speaker 3: I will give Claudia this, although she said the most
Speaker 3: nastiest things about me, and she's been holding onto a
Speaker 3: grudge for one hundred thousand years, I would have to
Speaker 3: give I'm going to give her this. I've read many
Speaker 3: of girls, honey, and I've been on this show with
Speaker 3: many girls. I would have to say that she was
Speaker 3: probably my number one battle. Definitely, she was definitely right
Speaker 3: up there to battle with. Ye I don't think that
Speaker 3: it's not been one other girl that could probably battle
Speaker 3: the way she did, because I took her through it,
Speaker 3: and I feel like she took me through it, and
Speaker 3: so I feel like we gave each other a run,
Speaker 3: and not many girls could give me a run, so
Speaker 3: I would give her. I feel like she definitely stood up.
Speaker 1: And I want people to know this too. You told me,
Speaker 1: Enjoy after that scene between you're and Claudia because Dmitria
Speaker 1: was being positioned as a peach holder, and you told me, Enjoy,
Speaker 1: y'all picked the wrong bitch. That's right, and I want
Speaker 1: people to know that because you're not this hater. You
Speaker 1: always did what was best for the show. Did you
Speaker 1: said that? Bitch Claudia, she she's good. Y'all need to
Speaker 1: give her a peach.
Speaker 4: Y'all done got rid of Porsche.
Speaker 3: You need to give Claudia the motherfucker because Claudia was
Speaker 3: really going toe to toe with me, and I will
Speaker 3: give her that every single time, although she wants to
Speaker 3: feel like I ripped her toes apart and pull tell
Speaker 3: hello kitty out, honey. At the end of the day, girl,
Speaker 3: you stood up, honey, I will give you that much.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 4: You stood up, honey, because the reads were coming. I
Speaker 4: was pulling them off fro under my wik.
Speaker 3: I'm not life that's because she was giving me a
Speaker 3: run back like that.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was giving me a run and I was like, girl,
Speaker 3: I got to I'm gonna have to win now. And
Speaker 3: so I was going hard hard, but she was hard too.
Speaker 3: So you know she wasn't easy. She was definitely, she
Speaker 3: wasn't easy. She did her part, she got She earned
Speaker 3: her peach. Not Kenya, no Cherae, not Kim Claudia Jordan.
Speaker 4: Claudia earned her peach.
Speaker 3: I can't Kim can't read me, y'all you know better,
Speaker 3: but you know they can all try. But I must
Speaker 3: say that Claudia definitely stood up.
Speaker 4: She stood She wasn't afraid.
Speaker 1: When it's all said and done, NEI, what would you
Speaker 1: like your legacy to be?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, I don't know what I want my legacy to be.
Speaker 4: What I do know is that.
Speaker 3: I want people to know that my heart is bigger
Speaker 3: than this entire room. I am a lovable person. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's no hate ever in my heart. Ever when you
Speaker 3: see me, there's no hate and h I have no
Speaker 3: ill feelings towards any anybody that I've ever worked with. Honestly,
Speaker 3: you know, I tell it like it is. It is
Speaker 3: what it is, and over time, you get over it.
Speaker 3: I just want people to know that I'm a good
Speaker 3: person and I always on this platform fought for women,
Speaker 3: and I don't feel like I was. People fought for me,
Speaker 3: but I definitely fought for the women I thought that
Speaker 3: should be in position.
Speaker 4: Yes, Claudia, I fought for you.
Speaker 1: Girl, you did?
Speaker 4: You got that, Peach, honey.
Speaker 3: Yes, that you can keep talking about me is all
Speaker 3: you want to Okay, I thought for a lot of Yes, Porscha,
Speaker 3: I fought for you. You're on here, Cynthia Hilure, thank you.
Speaker 4: So I did.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it was all returned, but that's okay,
Speaker 3: because you don't do things for things to be returned.
Speaker 4: They will all come back and do time.
Speaker 3: Now, this is the moment where yes, microphone out here,
Speaker 3: but this is the moment where this is the moment
Speaker 3: where I have to turn Okay, go ahead already.
Speaker 4: And do not edit it out. I'm gonna keep this.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, you worked behind the scenes when I
Speaker 3: was on the show for so many seasons. Do you
Speaker 3: feel that I was always giving fair treatment?
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing I feel like because the
Speaker 1: show was new and all of us were very new
Speaker 1: to this. I felt like we were all underestimated one
Speaker 1: thousand percent percent. I know that my passion and me
Speaker 1: being so mania call in terms of making the show
Speaker 1: great was because we were black people. And I know
Speaker 1: that as black people were always underestimated and we don't
Speaker 1: get our just do it. It's just the way the
Speaker 1: cookie crumbles. And I know that when it came to
Speaker 1: this show, you girls worked, your assets are and deserved
Speaker 1: to be number one. And I felt like when it
Speaker 1: came to you, look, I think what happens is there's
Speaker 1: no instruction manual of what it's like to handle fame
Speaker 1: and to be to be to be known within the
Speaker 1: local city and then to be an international success. And
Speaker 1: I think people just did not know what to do
Speaker 1: with you. They just didn't know. It was like wait,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Like wait, wait, wait what? And
Speaker 1: I do feel like you may be the most underrepresented
Speaker 1: reality star in the world. You are. I think you
Speaker 1: deserve a walk on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I
Speaker 1: think you should have talk shows and podcast deals and
Speaker 1: you should be on Netflix scripted shows. I see some
Speaker 1: reality stars who have opportunities that I think, like oh
Speaker 1: Nini should have had that years ago. I know that
Speaker 1: you have paid the way for black reality stars to
Speaker 1: the females. I know that there's females that you and
Speaker 1: not talking about in reality TV who should remain nameless,
Speaker 1: who have looked you did in the eye and said
Speaker 1: what do I do? Like they look up to you.
Speaker 1: You paved the way. Tammy Roman says that Tiffany Pollard
Speaker 1: even says that you literally are the queen. And I
Speaker 1: do feel like when it comes to where things are now,
Speaker 1: it does saden me. I just don't understand why you
Speaker 1: aren't on network television reading the girls, fulfilled, having a
Speaker 1: good time. And I do agree with you. I think,
Speaker 1: if not bigger, you should be on the same level
Speaker 1: as Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, excuse me, why keep the tear at the.
Speaker 1: Satia don't cry, bitch, But no, I think listen, I'm
Speaker 1: happy we're doing this because listen, we all make mistakes,
Speaker 1: and I think we all can look back on our
Speaker 1: time and say, I could have I should have done
Speaker 1: that differently, I could have handled that better. My hope
Speaker 1: for you and the people involved in this situation, from
Speaker 1: Andy to Bravo to the companies, I just want you
Speaker 1: guys to have a conversation. I think if people were
Speaker 1: in the room without the lawyers and people in your ear,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that a three hour lunch
Speaker 1: can eradicate all of this. And it's sad. I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 1: It saddens me deeply that I have to it back
Speaker 1: and watch a woman who paved the way even for
Speaker 1: me to be able to sit in this room across
Speaker 1: from you, and it makes me. It makes me sad
Speaker 1: because it's not it's not okay. And I do feel like, Look,
Speaker 1: I'm like, when it comes to you, you have You've
Speaker 1: done so much for this industry, and I feel like
Speaker 1: you've done so much for this genre, and I thought
Speaker 1: you done so much for everybody. And I hate that
Speaker 1: people can't make mistakes, say dumb shit, and not say okay, bit,
Speaker 1: let's figure it out you and not half falling out
Speaker 1: like me and you went toe to toe and we
Speaker 1: got back together because it wasn't that deep. And what
Speaker 1: you're going through to me, just isn't that fucking deep.
Speaker 1: Get the fuck over it, sit down, have the conversation
Speaker 1: is stupid as fuck. I think it's dumb. I really
Speaker 1: do believe if everybody was in the room for three
Speaker 1: hours and just talked it out, yell each other or
Speaker 1: bit you. But you did that and at the end say, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we got it out. Let's move on. It paints me.
Speaker 1: It paints me because it doesn't have to be this way,
Speaker 1: and I feel like ego gets in the way. But
Speaker 1: with you, I really want you to know that you
Speaker 1: deserve so much more than what this world is giving you.
Speaker 1: And I feel horrible that you are going through what
Speaker 1: you're going through, especially me.
Speaker 3: Anyways, continue, Oh my god, So I know you've been
Speaker 3: watching Real Housewives these seasons.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: I know you're watching the new seasons of Housewives. So
Speaker 3: what do you think that Real Housewives of Atlanta me
Speaker 3: a clean slate?
Speaker 1: I think. Look, and I just gotta be honest.
Speaker 5: I think the reason why Sweet sixteen is coming. What's
Speaker 5: that season sixteen? Oh Sweet sixteen? Oh that's so funny. No, listen,
Speaker 5: I think no one is showing up to work. That's true,
Speaker 5: No one's showing up to work.
Speaker 1: I remember coming to your boutique and you were I
Speaker 1: think this was season ten or eleven, and you said, bitch,
Speaker 1: they don't know what to do without you, She said,
Speaker 1: these girls walking around like what do we do? Carlos
Speaker 1: in here a bitch, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Because you put a battery in their bag. You have
Speaker 3: to Kenya everything and say you're like, now go.
Speaker 1: You always thought what was my favorite?
Speaker 4: Yes, you know who's your favorite?
Speaker 1: Though I love all y'all equally.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite? Honey, Kenya has always been your favorite.
Speaker 1: You said, too, listen, I'll be honest, I have a
Speaker 1: very listen. You and I have this chemistry that's undeniable,
Speaker 1: and we have this love and people just it's infectious.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But besides that, he did a thousand You love talking
Speaker 3: to Charae.
Speaker 4: You know you would sneak around and love Marlow on
Speaker 4: the side too.
Speaker 1: I do. I love the girls, you do?
Speaker 4: You were sneaking.
Speaker 1: I love the girls.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're like Janet Jackson.
Speaker 3: She would say that her relationships with her siblings would change,
Speaker 3: like okay, Michael would be her favorite for a little.
Speaker 4: While and.
Speaker 3: Favorite and then she said that's how because she's in
Speaker 3: a big family. So I feel like you would switch,
Speaker 3: like right now, Nini's my favorite, and then later on
Speaker 3: you'll be like you know what? She raised my favorite.
Speaker 1: Okay, I receive that you switch, I would switch. It
Speaker 1: would depend on the season, would depend on the seasons.
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, side to me, who on Housewives
Speaker 3: and who's been on Housewife that you feel is a star? Okay?
Speaker 3: There aren't any, no I do know, no, no, listen, I.
Speaker 1: If I had to choose one, I think Kenya is
Speaker 1: a star.
Speaker 3: Okay, I really I will gear that because, as I said,
Speaker 3: I feel like there was a moment when I feel
Speaker 3: like Keny was a star, and then I feel like
Speaker 3: reality TV made people be like, I don't know if.
Speaker 4: I like her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I was like ky and.
Speaker 4: She's your favorite?
Speaker 3: So I know you would say that, what if I
Speaker 3: don't have so for the Men? Because that's another thing
Speaker 3: I would say. Would you agree that when we were
Speaker 3: on the Men played.
Speaker 4: A very big part of the show, and I don't
Speaker 4: feel like we hear about the Men anymore as much.
Speaker 3: And the Men we did a couple's trip, you remember
Speaker 3: we and stuff like that, and so who's your favorite couple?
Speaker 4: Who has your favorite couple?
Speaker 1: Bess? Oh and listen, I'll go on the record. Meed
Speaker 1: and Greg, no one will ever time meet and Greg?
Speaker 1: I would call him. I'll call him.
Speaker 4: Do you think the men should be more involved?
Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely. The problem is these women don't want to
Speaker 1: pay the men fifteen percent of their check anymore.
Speaker 4: I never gave my husband no, that was different.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing Peter and Cynthia talked about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just listen. There's a certain level of producing and
Speaker 1: understanding that show needs. It's the DNA, I do say,
Speaker 1: like Destiny's Child, there's a certain level of camaraderie and
Speaker 1: people that you need. And I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like everyone's bored. I feel like no one knows what
Speaker 1: they're doing. I feel like people are there for the
Speaker 1: wrong reasons and it's always about the intention, and the
Speaker 1: intention of everyone involved is not at its highest at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you had to pick a cast for
Speaker 3: season Sweet sixteen, who would it be?
Speaker 1: Okay, and you have the answer to why, because you do.
Speaker 1: And this is my real answer. Nini, Kim, Charree, Kenya, Porsche,
Speaker 1: Phaedra and Candy I don't see. I mean, well, that's well,
Speaker 1: that's my dream. I felt like I felt like we
Speaker 1: were robbed of getting a Candy and Faed conversation too.
Speaker 4: Now always said that I feel like I thought that.
Speaker 1: Was I want to say it, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: say it. I'm on stimulus Hill too, and the pump rules.
Speaker 1: Those white kids said, we're dealing with something devastating, crazy,
Speaker 1: and we're all going to show up and work and
Speaker 1: we all get to show our story. And now this
Speaker 1: show was nominated for an Emmy. I felt like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge what people did. It doesn't
Speaker 1: evolve me. It's whatever. God is the only person to
Speaker 1: judge us. As a producer, I feel like, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, to your point, if she can
Speaker 1: forgive Portie, why can't we got a chance to see that.
Speaker 1: We should have saw that with Fedra, And because we
Speaker 1: did not see Fadri and Candy deal with the aftermath,
Speaker 1: ruined the show.
Speaker 3: And it's been years. They could have she didn't have
Speaker 3: to be a regular on the show. They should have
Speaker 3: sat down. Yeah, everybody wants to know.
Speaker 1: It would have been the highest rated season and it
Speaker 1: may have been Emmy nominated.
Speaker 3: Well, they control those nominations, so I don't know about
Speaker 3: all of that. Do you think it's time to have
Speaker 3: a gay couple on the Real Housewife franchise?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Listen. I'm all about making sure the show's represented
Speaker 1: we are in the world, and I like the fact
Speaker 1: that we get to showcase different couples for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who is your if you were able to cast the
Speaker 1: Sweet Sixteen, who would be on your list?
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't even know the girls that
Speaker 3: are on the show over there, I would not say myself.
Speaker 3: I would say Porsche for sure. I think Porsche is
Speaker 3: quite entertaining. I think you have to have Candy because
Speaker 3: she's been there for so long and people feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever reason, Kenny needs to be there and
Speaker 3: that way Candy can get rid and she needs to
Speaker 3: be there. Marlow is good there. I think Kenya will
Speaker 3: be there. I have had a few runnings with Drew
Speaker 3: just she used to patronize my lounge, Aly, so I
Speaker 3: have a you know, I think she's good there. I
Speaker 3: think I like seeing Drew on the show. I don't
Speaker 3: have anyone else that I would say at the moment,
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I can't say Phaedra and I can't say Charay.
Speaker 3: I don't mind Kim if she's coming to go to work, yes, agreed, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because a lot of times she doesn't come to work.
Speaker 3: So that would be an issue there. I also think
Speaker 3: they need to find somebody new. There's so many fabulous
Speaker 3: girls in Atlanta, Georgia who has personalities, they have great husbands,
Speaker 3: and I think they need some.
Speaker 4: New blood on the show as well.
Speaker 3: I think all of the friends that are currently on
Speaker 3: the show, I don't know what they're doing, just the
Speaker 3: thought of moneyetta.
Speaker 4: Uh. And I think there's a girl's a housewife?
Speaker 3: Was the name she run Trackna Sonya.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I've met her before. She seems very nice.
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like she's a housewife. She don't
Speaker 3: give me that housewife feeling. I think her and yeah,
Speaker 3: they can say goodbye, Okay, Yeah, I don't think they
Speaker 3: are it for the show. Uh.
Speaker 1: Well that's that.
Speaker 3: Let me see because I had something else for you,
Speaker 3: go ahead. I think you said it early. I don't
Speaker 3: know that Davey Camera's brother. Would you have a baby?
Speaker 1: I do? I want to boy and a girl and
Speaker 1: I got their names picked out, but their name is
Speaker 1: cashing money.
Speaker 3: You know these girls will get mad about yes, yes, no,
Speaker 3: I would love to have listen.
Speaker 1: I would love to leave everything I built to some
Speaker 1: of my kids. Yeah, I would love to see a
Speaker 1: little sassy girl. Read these girls from Philip and say
Speaker 1: my dad is Carlos king bitch and what I said.
Speaker 4: Yes, be walking around and snapping and popping.
Speaker 1: Hoodie exactly wearing Lululemon.
Speaker 3: I'm working out to work the girls and work well.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I think you should be doing in person interviews.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: I don't think that you should do them on zoom,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: I just don't think it looks cute with your sneakers
Speaker 3: in the background. I think you should have some nice
Speaker 3: background like this, and the guests should always be sitting
Speaker 3: with you. You make enough money when you can fly
Speaker 3: the man and coach rather they can upgrade their own ticket.
Speaker 4: And I think you should do in person.
Speaker 3: I think it's just so much more fun, and I
Speaker 3: think you'll get so much more out of it, and
Speaker 3: I feel like the viewers will really enjoy it. I
Speaker 3: also agree with everything that you said about me, because
Speaker 3: it's all.
Speaker 4: Sure, I should be doing so much.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you will and you will.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with it, though. I think God has a
Speaker 3: plan for me. He does, Yeah, so I'm good. I'm
Speaker 3: very good right now into him.
Speaker 1: Yes, and he will give you psal I'm thirty seven
Speaker 1: for delight in the Lord, and he will give you
Speaker 1: the desires of your heart.
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to be just fine.
Speaker 1: I know you are going to be. Would you do
Speaker 1: love in Marriage Atlanta?
Speaker 4: I'm not in a marriage and I don't even have
Speaker 4: a current love.
Speaker 3: I guess my eyes are loving on some people, but
Speaker 3: I'm not currently in love with anybody.
Speaker 4: I'm not in a relationship.
Speaker 3: But if they want a single girl on the show
Speaker 3: to flirt with their husband, sure, because every show has
Speaker 3: a single person, right, yes, yes, So I don't mind
Speaker 3: being this. This will be the first time in my
Speaker 3: life I've ever done anything where I'm like the single person.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you never know.
Speaker 3: By the time Loving Marriage Atlanta hits Atlanta, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: be available and maybe maybe I'll be in a relationship.
Speaker 4: Okay, you never know. So are you planning to do that?
Speaker 1: Only if I'm able to get you?
Speaker 4: Well, you can only have stars around me. I don't
Speaker 4: want to you go and drag up from some other
Speaker 4: old show and you're.
Speaker 1: Sitting in the way.
Speaker 3: I do not want that, So you know, think about that.
Speaker 3: I have great ideas. You have to have good girls.
Speaker 1: No, and I have a great idea. You and I
Speaker 1: should go on tour together.
Speaker 4: I love to go on tour. What are we going
Speaker 4: to be talking about?
Speaker 1: Anything? I want to I want to do a tour
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go.
Speaker 1: We're going to sit in the city and just talk. Oh.
Speaker 4: People would love to come.
Speaker 3: Yes, people would love to come to Girls and the Gates,
Speaker 3: Honey out for a conversation.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 4: People will be sitting Look at rad he'll be steady.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: I don't want to imagine you're talking about my dad.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, this has been really great. I've
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I'm happy that I came at a time
Speaker 3: when I was ready. Well, first of me, actually, let
Speaker 3: me go back for a second before I say that,
Speaker 3: I noticed that you had the real housewise Oh geez,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't A part of that. Was that the
Speaker 3: time that you called me and I said I wasn't ready.
Speaker 4: Oh, but you didn't tell me that it was going to.
Speaker 1: Be you never know. So just to go back to that,
Speaker 1: each girl did not know it was going to be
Speaker 1: a reunion. Oh okay, everybody was surprised.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why I said no had I known
Speaker 3: it was going to be a whole group, I would
Speaker 3: have said, oh, maybe I'll come. Okay, well listen. But
Speaker 3: I'm glad those girls went on. I'm glad to have
Speaker 3: the seat by myself. I don't want to share the air.
Speaker 1: Well. I think when you and I go on tour,
Speaker 1: we will invite Niini Nini were you're not going tour,
Speaker 1: will invite Kim, Charree, Lisa and Deshan to sit in
Speaker 1: the stage with us.
Speaker 3: I'm actually in a really good place right now, I
Speaker 3: can tell I think this is the place.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you look at sir, but you
Speaker 4: know this is the place.
Speaker 1: I love you forever.
Speaker 3: You're nice too, I love you forever. Come on, knees.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you have grown in so many ways, Carlo.
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you. I feel like i'm your
Speaker 3: mom in many ways. Yes, yes, I'm very proud of you. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm happy you're able to do this and do this
Speaker 3: on your own term. I don't even know did you
Speaker 3: How did you think about what? Why did you think
Speaker 3: to do a podcast? You just thought I'm just gonna start.
Speaker 1: Talking, or what I've been asked to do? One for years,
Speaker 1: and I felt like you the time was right and
Speaker 1: I have so much wisdom to offer to the community
Speaker 1: that because I'm confidently give a talk think about me
Speaker 1: in this world. The time is now, and.
Speaker 3: This times now. So you just came out of you
Speaker 3: and Kanye West are doing well.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for watching the kids. Catch
Speaker 1: up on YouTube on audio every Tuesday and we will
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 4: So okay, I heard.
Speaker 3: I want say we have the backup because we need
Speaker 3: to talk about what I'm doing currently.
Speaker 1: Well, are you up to Nini? So I'm up to.
Speaker 4: A lot of things.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, I'm back working, which I thank God
Speaker 3: for because these people were trying to keep me from
Speaker 3: working forever. But one of the things I'm really passionate
Speaker 3: about is I have an organization called Ladies of Success.
Speaker 3: It's for entrepreneur women around the world, like minded women
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Speaker 3: If you are a woman anywhere in the world that's
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Speaker 3: go to our website, which is Ladies of Success dot
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Speaker 1: Amen. Thank you. Annie Lee, the Queen of Reality TV
Speaker 1: the greatest housewife of all time. Thanks, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, I love you all.
Speaker 3: Thank you following me on social media, but the ladies
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