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Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Og from Basketball Wives

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Speaker 3: right after these quick ads. Hey rain drops so on

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Speaker 3: today's Reality with the King episode, I have the one,

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Speaker 3: the only Og from season eight of Basketball Wives. Baby,

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Speaker 3: we get into a lot of stuff. Of course, we

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Speaker 3: that was a big issue that she faced being on

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Speaker 3: until y'all hear it without further ado, here is Og. Well,

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Speaker 3: Og is so nice to finally meet you. It's funny

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Speaker 3: because I'm a huge Basketball Wise fan. I love the

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Speaker 3: Carlos King, create a show for Og. We love her too.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, so we all love Og.

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Speaker 3: How did it feel in the beginning of this process?

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Speaker 3: And we'll go down into, of course, what happened. But

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Speaker 1: And ultimately they chose to fire me because I refused. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Did they fire you because you didn't sign the contract

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 3: Let's get back into my conversation with basketball wives. OG,

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Speaker 1: think that there is acceptable black people in Hollywood, and

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00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: that is their quota. And there's three types, and I

434
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: strongly believe this. I feel like there's the one type

435
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: that they will accept if they are going to be

436
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: the butt of the joke, the gesture, the one who

437
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: everybody gets to rag on and they're just going to

438
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: constantly clown on her. She's always going to have to

439
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: bring that or he or she is always going to

440
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: have to bring that comedic spin. That's the acceptable person,

441
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: and that is Jackie Christy, the one who's always going

442
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: to be clowned on, always going to be called crazy,

443
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: always going to be laughed at, and is expected to

444
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: oh a bee's coming, oh oh, act all cooky and

445
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: crazy like the sambo. That's her role. Then there's the

446
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: role of the pick me, the role of the follower,

447
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: the one who's gonna yes, ma'am, yeah, no, ma ya.

448
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: That's Kristen. I'm not that person. I'm not her. I'm

449
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: not a person who's going to fall in line with

450
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: that slave mentality. And just do what their masters tell

451
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: them to do. And that's why she was accepted because

452
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: she was that role of the person who's not going

453
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: to really really address things like they're supposed to. She's

454
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: gonna do as she's told and fall in line. And

455
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: that's why I think that they accept their quota black people.

456
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: That it's sad to say, but this is a fact.

457
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: You work in the industry and you realize things, and

458
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: you see things from your own experience, and you're saying, Okay,

459
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: how can I survive in this industry If I'm not

460
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: gonna be the clown and I'm not gonna be the slaves?

461
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: What am I gonna be? You have to be yourself.

462
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: You have to be you. That way you can sleep

463
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: easy at night. I don't have no problems being myself.

464
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: Other people who can't handle me, I handle me just fine.

465
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: That's why I kept having to remind them. I'm in

466
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: a room full of afters. All of you guys chose

467
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: for whatever reason to do some type of plastic surgery

468
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: or maintenance on your face, your body, your butt, your titties, whatever.

469
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Don't forget your before body, humble yourself, don't forget what

470
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: your chin looked like. Don't forget what your teeth looked like.

471
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: Don't forget what you asked didn't even exist. Don't forget

472
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: your before body. This is natural and I love the

473
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: way God made me. But when you're in a room

474
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: full of afters and everybody thinks, oh, I'm this and

475
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm that, and my shit, don't sink.

476
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: I will remind you, oh you're saying, you're saying after afters.

477
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: You know how when you get plastid surgery and you

478
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: watch a page and it's the before picture and here's

479
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: the after, and the before they're all blurred out, and

480
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: then the after they show yes, and a room full

481
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: of afters. Iron Lion, you know what I'm talking about.

482
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: And I.

483
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: Looked at Hooters for ten years. I saw some of

484
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: the best plastic surgery a sugar daddy in a regular

485
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: could buy. And I'm all for maintaining your body, but

486
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: do not get mad at a woman who chooses not

487
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: to go that route. The only surgeries that I've had

488
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: broken finger, broken leg, These are athletic injuries. I've never

489
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: opted to do any cosmetic surgery because I don't want to.

490
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: But don't knock me because I did it. And then

491
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: that's when I have to play defense and remind you

492
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: you did and what was your reason? You're still single?

493
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: You married, Richie left you, so you divorced rich You

494
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: had a baby, Richie left you. What was the reason.

495
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: Did you do the surgery for you or did you

496
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: do the surgery to put your venus fly trap out

497
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: there and catch your next victim? You have to ask

498
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: yourself those questions.

499
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 2: I forgot you are a great reader and wordsmith.

500
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: But now it goes back to what you said you

501
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: We loved you og because oh g you would.

502
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 2: Read the Girl's dumb Hoddie and you would do it

503
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: without being bothered.

504
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: If that's what I love as a producer, I love

505
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: seeing how there could be a conflicted situation. And to me,

506
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: I always say this to people, the best reality TV

507
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: moment is when something is like intense, but you can laugh,

508
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, I love the fact

509
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: that I don't like when it gets dirty and people

510
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: fighting off, Like I just think that's just whatever. I

511
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: like it when you can stand for yourself and laugh

512
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 3: and have a key key I read your girl, let

513
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: me keep it moving, but you got read, and that

514
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: to me is what you brought to the show too.

515
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 3: So Tammy Roman is somebody who personally a couple of

516
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: years ago reached out to me because when I showed

517
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: you Love publicly and on Twitter, it did go viral

518
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: and a lot of blogs and outlets picked it up,

519
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: and Tammy Roman, who's a friend of mine, she hit

520
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: me up and said, I see you love OG.

521
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: Is there a show you can do for her?

522
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: And I said to her, I said, look, I'm still

523
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: trying to get my bearings with my company. And I said,

524
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: but I always know if there's something that makes sense

525
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: for OG, like a brother's down, because I really do

526
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: think you're fantastic. And I was happy to have that

527
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: conversation with Tammy. We had Tammy on this podcast as well, OG,

528
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: and she said something that allegedly a producer on the

529
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: show called you unattractive and said you could not dress.

530
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Is that true?

531
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: That is true? And I'm grateful for Tammy. I will

532
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: say this because she was somebody who was told nasty

533
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: things about me and chose to kind of go a

534
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: different route. At first, she was like, Okay, I don't

535
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: know her, but as she got to know me, and

536
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: as I got to know her, she realized they're crazy.

537
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: First of all, I will say this, I'm not going

538
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: to take fashion advice from people who don't know fashion.

539
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: If you have to pay someone to help you dress

540
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: yourself every single day, don't tell me nothing about fashion.

541
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: I so I draw, I actually desiged. I'm a creative

542
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: and they knew this with me going in. In fact,

543
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: the producer who made that comment one of the producers,

544
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: because it was more than one producer that made that

545
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: com the one, yes, the one that I know of

546
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: that said it to Tammy specifically, I will speak on

547
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: that producer. That person told me they love that I

548
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: can do all these things to my face. Of course,

549
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: it's always different to my face. To my face, behind

550
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: my back is stabbing me in the back left and right.

551
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: That producer told me that, oh can you sew? I

552
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: shot a scene where I was sewing. They tried to

553
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: have me shoot a scene with Malaysia and her stylist friend,

554
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: and they never aired that scene. You want to know

555
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: why they never aired that scene because I purposely came

556
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: with an outfit that I made that I cut and sew.

557
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I drew it, I posted it, and then I wore

558
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: it because I was set. They were trying to set

559
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: me up. You can't teach somebody who teaches you. A

560
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: creative is the one who sets the norm. Not everybody

561
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: dresses the same look Eric Abadu. She has her own style,

562
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: her own way, and when she's wearing it, it's fashion,

563
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: it's high fashion, it's avant garde. It's different, the same

564
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: thing for the next person. But if you're just logo logo, logo, logo, logo,

565
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: like a FORID exchange student, and you just arrived in

566
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: the States and you don't know what to wear and

567
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: what to do, that's not fashion. That's not fashion. And

568
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: I keep trying to explain to them. You can say

569
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm ugly, no problem, you can say I can't dress.

570
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I've had no problems getting men, okay, especially the ones

571
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: that you guys want. I've had no complaints. Kwame's with me.

572
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: We've been together. It'll be eight years in December. We

573
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: don't have kids that are forcing us to stay together.

574
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: We don't have a marriage that's forcing us to stay together.

575
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: We don't have child support, alimony, none of that shit.

576
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: He loves it here. He loves it here because I

577
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: have everything those women don't have, and That's why they

578
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: struggle in relationships. That's fashion, is that what you think

579
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: to get your mare? Is that what you think is

580
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna cultivate friendships, whether they're platonic or romantic. No, what's

581
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: so funny to me, Carlos. Yes, Jen's worn outfits that

582
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: I've worn. I wore them first. Malaysia's warn't outfits that

583
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: I've worn. I wore them first. But when it's on them,

584
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: it's because they don't like me. Somebody who doesn't like me.

585
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if I'm wearing it or not. They're

586
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna say they don't like it because I'm wearing it,

587
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: not because I'm wearing it wrong. These bitches have copied

588
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: my style, my hair, my phone case. I see it

589
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: because the public doesn't see everything. Where'd you get that

590
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: O G? Where'd you get that O G? They're in

591
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: my room when I'm doing my makeup. I had to

592
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: kick Jackie out, Like, girl, go to your room. I

593
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: just want to see how you con toured. When we

594
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: went to Amsterdam, Shawnie was so mad. I came to

595
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: Amsterdam in a wig, and that night I braided my

596
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: own hair. Seanne and I caught each other in the

597
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: elevator and she goes, did you fly in hair and makeup?

598
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I did this myself last night. Are

599
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: you mad? Because you're not talented?

600
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: What do you do?

601
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I even helped Malaysia braid her hair. That's why those

602
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: scenes where like, for example, that classic scene where Malaysias

603
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: making fun of my wig. That scene irritates me, and

604
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some tea on that scene.

605
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: That scene irritates me because, for one, my reads were

606
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: all live, okay. I was reading her for filth on camera.

607
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: She had to read me in a confessional four months later.

608
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: So it took her four months to come up with

609
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: out your wigs in the car. Bravo, babe, bravo for

610
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: taking you four months to come with the comeback. And

611
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: somebody probably gave you that comeback. I came to that

612
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: scene from my full time job as a corporate executive

613
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: after football practice, and I told the producers and this

614
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: is what really pissed me off, because it was a

615
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: female black producer that I told. I said, Hey, my

616
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: wig is not getting tacked down. Does anybody have any glue,

617
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: anything tacking even gel anything? She goes, no, we could

618
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: just pull it a little bit in align it with

619
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: your natural part. Nobody's gonna see it. So then we

620
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: shoot the scene and I see her whisper to Malaysia,

621
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and she whispered to Malaysia and the Malaysia you know

622
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: when somebody tells you something. She brings her eyes up

623
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: to my way, and I'm like, oh, I knew it.

624
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: I said, this bitch is gonna come for me about

625
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: my hair after I asked you guys for help. It's okay,

626
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I have naturally long hair under here. It's okay.

627
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: That's not a healthy environment to be a part of.

628
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: And I feel so I feel sorry you have to

629
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: you have to go through that because one thing about

630
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: producing reality TV it can't be intense, because you have

631
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: to be vulnerable and show your real life and obviously

632
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: unexpected things happen, like we all get that, but it

633
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: should never be a situation where you feel like every

634
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: time you go to work you're going to be attacked

635
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: by your appearance. Like that is just that's crazy to me.

636
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: And a lot of the fans saw that. A lot

637
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: of the media picked this story up, og about what

638
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: we were all watching on the show, and it became

639
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: a very hot topic so much so so Shawnee released

640
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: a statement and I think maybe also the video if

641
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, where she apologized to you and apologized.

642
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: To what was going on.

643
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 3: Did you accept her apology and did she ever reach

644
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: out to you personally?

645
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Are you talking about to sit down with mark La

646
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: mart Hill?

647
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Yes?

648
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was for lack of better word, damage control.

649
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: That was not an apology to me. That was an

650
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: apology for what she thinks or alleges I experienced or felt.

651
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: She never once texted me, never once called me, never

652
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: once had a on camera or off camera conversation about anything.

653
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: The problem was is I strongly believe if you really

654
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: genuinely are sorry for something, you apologize for what you did,

655
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: not what somebody feels. Because I don't feel anything. I

656
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: haven't even touched the surface on how I felt so far,

657
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I've only shared my experience. She has never called and

658
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: apologized to me because she doesn't have the guts toll.

659
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: She doesn't have the courage to say I was wrong

660
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: in this entire scenario. Why, because she's evil. That woman

661
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: is evil. You heard it from me. I'm not the

662
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: first person who said it, and I'm not the last

663
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: person who's gonna say it. Shawnee does not have a pure,

664
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: clean spirit about her. I can say this because I've

665
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: been around her. Everything that she does is for fake

666
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: facade cameras. Look at how she did tammy her friend.

667
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Look at how she does Jackie twenty four to seven

668
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: her friend. She's not cool. And look at how she

669
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: allows her alleged associates and friends to act and then

670
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: co signs it. If you really wanted to have a

671
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: conversation about colorism or a conversation about racism, you would

672
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: have sat down with me, not Mark Lamont Hill, the

673
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: other acceptable black person who's gonna be the puppy dog

674
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: fall in line pick me. Isn't that what I've already explained.

675
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: It's literally right in front of our face. It's just

676
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: so sad. And where is Mark now? Mark has tried

677
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: to reach out to me. I will give him that,

678
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: but I think that he filled all black women in

679
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: that instance because he knew what he was told to

680
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: do was wrong, and he did it anyways. He knew

681
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: what was wrong. So if you know what's wrong, why

682
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: do not have the guts and the curt to be like, no,

683
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: put your foot down Ceec in that moment is like, no,

684
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: if OG's not on the stage, we're not going out.

685
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: The only reason why I came back was because I

686
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: was still negotiating my contract. I had not gotten paid

687
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: one penny for that season yet, because I was still

688
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: negotiating my contract and I didn't want to give them

689
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: any reason to say I reached my contract.

690
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna be real with you.

691
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: Watching that, first of all, was heated that you were

692
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: allowed on stage because you never physically fought anybody. So

693
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: I never understood, like, why is she not allowed to

694
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: be on stage when prior to Og being on the show,

695
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: there's been tons of physical fights on that show and

696
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: people were still allowed to be on the on the stage.

697
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: I didn't like that, and I'm gonna be real with you,

698
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: I was so disappointed when you did come back to

699
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: to complete the reunion. Now I hear your reason, and

700
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: I get it, but I like to be honest and

701
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: talk to you about my thought process because my thought

702
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: process was like, O, G you you're such a beautiful

703
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: woman with the beautiful spirit that God is going to

704
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: protect you and take care of you. And what I

705
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: didn't want Og, and I'm saying this to you personally,

706
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: I didn't want you to give off the impression that

707
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: you needed that situation because you have a lot of

708
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: ride and dies for you, Og, and that was my

709
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: initial reaction.

710
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: I was like, siys, you don't need it, and that's why.

711
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: Look, this podcast is to give everybody an opportunity to

712
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: express their experience.

713
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: And just so the audience, No, I reached out to

714
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: OG person, Oh.

715
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: You didn't reach out to me, I'll reach out to

716
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: OG because I was reminded that this is somebody who

717
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: I felt wasn't given the proper due on reality television.

718
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: And I wanted you to hear from me as a

719
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: black man in this business. I just wanted to give

720
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 3: your flowers your respect and to let you hear from

721
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: me that I think you are gorgeous. You're beautiful inside

722
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: and out. And one thing I know for sure, Og,

723
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: sometimes God will allow you to go through the fire

724
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: because he knows that you are built for it. And

725
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: we're always not Often we're always used to give him

726
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: the glory, but we're also used to be a messenger

727
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: to other people. And I feel like, based on your experience,

728
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: you have definitely and I'm gonna say this, and I

729
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: don't kill gets mad at me for saying this is

730
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: my truth. You are the first person on reality television

731
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: to open up the conversations about colorism as relates to

732
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: being on reality TV.

733
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: And for that, I just.

734
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: Want to say thank you for having that strength to

735
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: do it on your own.

736
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Thank you. No, I really appreciate that, because it's been

737
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: a tough journey and a tough road, and not for nothing,

738
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many positive messages I've gotten. Take out

739
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: the negativity. All the people who have felt what I

740
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: said on any level. Gave me the reason to continue

741
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: the fight, because, like you said, nobody wants to talk

742
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: about it now. After that situation happened. Go and do

743
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: your research to see how many other shows had no

744
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: choice but to talk about this. This is a teachable moment,

745
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: This is a teachable era. We are no longer going

746
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: to be able to get away with having certain types

747
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: of behavior behind closed doors because now people can record things. Now,

748
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: people can bring it to light, now people can address it,

749
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: and the mob the comment gallery, okay, they will stop

750
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: you in your tracks. And people don't like when it

751
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: affects their money. People don't like when all of a sudden,

752
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: nobody wants to mess with you because the truth has

753
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: come out with how you feel about black people. I'm

754
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: gonna say this, black people, African Africans who are assigned

755
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: to know where they come from. Some people don't know

756
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: where they come from, but they know that they're black.

757
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: They know they're African descent, true Africans, Nigerians like myself,

758
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: African Americans, African whatever you want to call it. We

759
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: set the wave and the tempo for how things are

760
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: done in this world. We are the ones who spend

761
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: the money. We are the ones who create the culture.

762
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: We are the ones that tell you what's hot and

763
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: what's not. So you can't get rid of us. You

764
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: can push us down, you can make fun of us

765
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: because of the way we look and the color of

766
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: our skin, but you cannot get rid of the originators.

767
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: You can't. And that's why this conversation was so important

768
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: to have. Now, mind you, I had it, I realized

769
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 1: I was amongst people who were not willing to learn,

770
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: So then I paused. But they wanted me to keep

771
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: talking about it. But not because they wanted to resolve

772
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: some of these issues. They wanted me to keep talking

773
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: about it to make me look crazy. Once again, a

774
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: part of the problem. We could have moved forward, we

775
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: could have agreed to disagree. A lot of different things

776
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: could have happened. But when you choose to stay in

777
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: your negativity, naivety, whatever you want to call it, or

778
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: your evil way of thinking, that's your bed you have

779
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: to lie on it. I didn't do anything wrong. I

780
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: definitely did not get my just do. Like you said,

781
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: I have a lot of story to tell. I have

782
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: a lot that's going on in my life that people

783
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: aren't even fully aware of, and I would love to

784
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: share it publicly. I would love to You don't think

785
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: I want to do my maternity shoots in my weddings

786
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: and all those great things for the audience to see,

787
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: and then all the other natural drama that happens. But

788
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: when you're fabricating stuff, it's difficult to do that. It

789
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: really is.

790
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: So you haven't closed the door in reality televis. You

791
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: would love to get back in that genre.

792
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: Of course, and it'll happen. It'll happen as long as

793
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: I have some type of creative control. It will happen.

794
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: I know it will, and the audience will be excited.

795
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: The audience will be excited to see something different. You

796
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: don't have to see black people fighting twenty four seven.

797
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: Enough is with my words. My words are like daggers.

798
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't have to lift a finger. If I did,

799
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: no one would have survived. If I did, no one

800
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: would have survived.

801
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: Og Well, first.

802
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: Of all, them hands, I'm sure are good, but your mouth,

803
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: you are the Mike Tyson.

804
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Of word because your words.

805
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: Is a tko baby. It would knock a mother baker out.

806
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, so let's be clear before I let

807
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: you go. We know that you are every You're what

808
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: is it, o G I'm your favorite athletes, favorite.

809
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: Athlete, and don't ever forget it.

810
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: Have you heard from from Chad o Cho Sinko?

811
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, chatter, let's listen. Guide to the t Chad and

812
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: I are like this. You know that situation actually brought

813
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: us even closer, which is hilarious to say, because you know,

814
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. Truly. I didn't know

815
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: if he really gave it to her, like if he

816
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: gave her those deals. I didn't know really what was happening.

817
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: All I knew was if anybody's coming for me, I'll

818
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: give you the facts, and thank God for iPhones, thank

819
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: God for eye clouds, thank God for transferring over text

820
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: messages and backing it up, because through that, Chad and

821
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: I were able to have multiple conversations. And I feel

822
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: for him, you know, I feel for him. I feel

823
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: for a situation. I feel for what happened. Only those

824
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: who see what's happening behind closed doors and see the

825
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: proof truly know how to address people accordingly.

826
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: And I feel for him.

827
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: He lost everything dealing with that person. And you know,

828
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm not an advocate for any form of domestic violence,

829
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: but I'm also not an advocate for domestic violence when

830
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: a woman is the abuser and not just men being

831
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: the abusers. It has to go both ways. You know,

832
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times we will side with the lesser

833
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: of the two, so guys get the short end of

834
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: the stick because they're naturally bigger, stronger, and can outpower

835
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: a woman naturally. But that doesn't mean women are not

836
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: verbally abusive. That doesn't mean women are not physically abusive.

837
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: We saw it with the Johnny debap trial. You know,

838
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: it's not okay whether you're a male, female, or whatever

839
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: you choose to identify with domestic violence is not okay.

840
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: But you can't do stuff and be an abuser and

841
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: then cry wolf like. It's just very difficult. You got

842
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: to kind of pick a side. You know, if you're

843
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: if this person is your abuser, don't call them to

844
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: rescue you. If you're in a life or debt situation,

845
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: which we've all seen that other person say, it makes

846
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: no sense mentally. If this person is your alleged abuser,

847
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: don't try to keep tarnishing him. But if he also

848
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: is your alleged abuser, how the hell did you feel

849
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to ask him about me? That's what I

850
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: want to know. That question is yet to be answered,

851
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: you know so, and I don't need an answer at

852
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: this point because I've talked to Chad. He you know,

853
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: he's a good dude, and that's what I love about him.

854
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: He's kept a positive outlook. He's moved on in his life,

855
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: and that's what he deserves. He deserves to have peace.

856
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: But when somebody won't let go because they're still obsessed

857
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: with that person, you'll see it play out. You don't

858
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: see Chad sitting in a car crying in a Gucci

859
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: hat every two seconds. You don't see that that man

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Speaker 1: doesn't have time to do that. He's got endorsements, he's

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Speaker 1: got other things, just like myself. I don't always want

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Speaker 1: to speak on certain situations, but sometimes you have to

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Speaker 1: so that the truth is truly out there. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be sued. I'm not dragging my lawsuit. The

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Speaker 1: other party's dragging their lawsuit. So every day when I'm

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Speaker 1: getting tagged about it, of course I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about it openly. But it's difficult. You know, it's difficult

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Speaker 1: because the mob will try to tell you you're dragging it.

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Speaker 1: You guys are the ones fueling the fire because I

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Speaker 1: know you see what's happening. I just don't get the

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Speaker 1: option to have to reply all the time because if

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Speaker 1: I do, I become public enemy number one, when really

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Speaker 1: I'm just simply defending myself.

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Speaker 3: That's why you listen my advice. As the kink of

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Speaker 3: reality TV, silence is golden. Not everyone og deserves a

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Speaker 3: response because all it does is create more fire that

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Speaker 3: could have been put out. So I appreciate you for

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Speaker 3: just look, this podcast reaches millions of listeners, and I'm

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Speaker 3: happy that you decided to talk to me. I'm happy

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Speaker 3: that I was able to give your flowers and to

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Speaker 3: do it not just on Twitter, but to your face,

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Speaker 3: because I definitely think it's meaningful when you see the

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Speaker 3: person and you hear the voice of the person saying it.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: But before I let you go, tell them listeners where

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Speaker 3: they can find you, follow you, support you.

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Speaker 2: What you got going on? Sis, Let us know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of things going on. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to speak too much on it because I

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Speaker 1: kind of like things to happen and be done before

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Speaker 1: I talk about it. But you will see me on

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Speaker 1: TV again. I guarantee that I've still been making my

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Speaker 1: PPE masks. Although covid has slowed down, we still have

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Speaker 1: to provide masks for our nurses, doctors, and healthcare officials

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Speaker 1: and essential workers. So you can find all of this

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Speaker 1: on iheartog dot com. You can always follow me on

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Speaker 1: social media, which is also iheartog, and just stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot coming up, and I know,

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Speaker 1: Carlos you said a couple of things that kind of

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Speaker 1: sparked my interest. So if we work on something, just

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Speaker 1: know that it'll be fired, it'll be successful, and it'll

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Speaker 1: God willing sword to the sky, I have no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Og for blessing me with your presence

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Speaker 3: and for blessing our listeners again.

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Speaker 2: You have a huge fan base out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm included, and I can't wait to see you again

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Speaker 3: in front of the screen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you to Og for

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Speaker 3: being so open and honest about her experience on the

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Speaker 3: show and telling her truth.

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Speaker 2: One of the things about this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Is it truly is an open form for people to

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Speaker 3: come on and talk about their experience. We're not here

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Speaker 3: to bash anybody or talk down to anybody. I like

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Speaker 3: I said in the interview, I like Og. I always

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Speaker 3: thought she was a great star on the show, and

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Speaker 3: I'm super happy that she felt so comfortable coming on

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Speaker 3: my podcast to address her experience. And my hope is

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Speaker 3: that everybody can be able to move on from this,

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Speaker 3: heal from it, and like you guys, I want to

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Speaker 3: see Og back on TV child, I want to see

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Speaker 3: Ogi back on Basketball Wise, honey, because she was that girl.

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Speaker 2: Just saying thank you for listening to Reality with the King.

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Speaker 3: your podcast, visit Reality Withtheking dot com and be sure

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Speaker 3: to follow me at the Carlos King Underscore on Instagram

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Speaker 3: this episode using the hashtag reality with the King. Reality

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Speaker 3: with the King is a production of More Sauce by Stitcher.

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Speaker 3: It is exactly produced by Me, Carlos King, and Jasmine

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Speaker 3: Heinley Brown. We are also produced by Lashik Lotus Lee

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Speaker 3: and La Porsha Thomas. Additional production support by Coarena Wallace

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Speaker 3: and Alexis Williams.

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