1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Well in just a few days, arguably the most important 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: featherweight fight maybe in UFC history, one of the most 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: important trilogies in UFC history, will take place just down 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: the road when Alexander Volkanowski defends his title against this man, 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: the former UFC featherweight champion, and the guest here with 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: me today, it is Max Blessed Holloway. 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: Hi, Max, how are you? 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you doing? I was just flight 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: in long Yeah. The flight from you here like five 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: and a half, it's about five five. 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Have to fly coach? 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Is your fly coach? 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: I know? Yeah, I named flight coach for I need. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: I need it. 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: I was like, are you Is Max Holloway flying private? 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: No? No, not private? Not yet, not yet. I mean 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 3: I think i'd be I'm never ever gonna be too 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: boozy to go get a private I like my money. 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: I'd rather spend it on something like a dinner or 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: something then a private plane, to be honest. 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: That's fair enough. How are you feeling? 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: I feel good. I feel I feel like a chap. 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: You've done it so many times now I wonder like, 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: do you still get the same feeling pre fight every time? 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the stakes are. 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm on a every fight. I told you 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: this before. You know, we approach every fight the same. 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: You know this, this is my first fight and this 29 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: might be my last fight. So at the end of 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: the day, we just ain't belt, no belt, whatever it is. 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: I carry myself as a champion every fight, I think. 32 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: So I'm doing a championship fight, you know, And this 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: is what you gotta do in this game. You know, 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: to be the best, you gotta beat the best, and 35 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: best is blessed. 36 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: Are you gonna trot out those lines with me again. 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: All the time? Yeah, all the time. 38 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: Let's back up a step before we talk about the fight. 39 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: You're you are in a different place in your life. 40 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: You're now thirty years old. I've been fighting UFC for 41 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: ten years now, which is a long time. You got 42 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: married recently. Congratulations. By the way, how is married life? 43 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: My life is good. I mean it's awesome, especially when 44 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: you got a wife like mines Man. She makes sure 45 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: everything is good. She makes she makes sure Mini is good. 46 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: So I mean life's good. I love married wife, you know, 47 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: and she does everything. I mean, it's amazing. 48 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: How is it when you have your wife is a 49 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: professional athlete as well, Like is that challenge? What does 50 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: that do for time? And how your needs need to 51 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: be met as well? 52 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: I mean time is she figures out. She's amazing, you know, 53 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 3: and then she actually gets what I need to do 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: all this and what comes with it, and then the 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: eating habits. It's just been much better when which what 56 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: are around, you know, with her around have been much better. So, 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: I mean, she's just the greatest. 58 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: Where does someone from Hawaii go for honeymoon? 59 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. 60 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'll let you know. No, we didn't 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: go yet because I told her that I can't. I 62 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: was like, knowing my luck, we're gonna go on to 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: my honeymoon. She's gonna be like, hey, look, you're fighting 64 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: in two weeks. So I was like, I'm just gonna wait. 65 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 3: Let's just wait, and she said, yeah, let's do it. 66 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: So as as we book it, I'll let you know 67 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: cause I keep telling her wherever she wants to go, 68 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: and she just keep telling wherever I want to go, 69 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: And then when I say where I want to go, 70 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: She's like, no, I don't want to go there. It's like, 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: it's where you want to go. Then you know, I 72 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: would choose. 73 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: It happy, happy wife Happy. 74 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 2: Where do you want to go? Curiously? 75 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: I wanted to go Japan and stuff? But she she 76 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: was thinking like she wants to go Japan, but she 77 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 3: wants to go as a family would rush and and 78 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: and stuff, so and and with friends. So like one 79 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: of my wrestling coach, he pretty much he does it all. 80 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: He's my cameraman, he can translate for us, he can 81 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: be he's my wrestling coach, and he'd be a body 82 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: for me. So that guy's the man. 83 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: All right. 84 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: How do you feel this time? I know you see 85 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: feeling good, but like relative to how you felt when 86 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: you had to tell the first time, and then the 87 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: rematch was weird because it was during COVID and it 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: was an Abu Dhabi and there was no crowd. Do 89 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: you feel exactly the same in terms of how you 90 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: the few days out ahead of this one that you 91 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: did for the second of the first ones? 92 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Nah, man, I feel great. This is the best I 93 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: ever felt. Basically, you fast, No, I I just feel 94 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: greater than when I felt then then I felt great. 95 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: I feel great. The first one felt greater, the second one, 96 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: I guess I feel the greatest this one, you know, 97 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: and uh, I got five title wins, you know that, 98 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: you know, to be uh to get my sixth title 99 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: win here in the Ninth Island against Alex where the 100 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: first one went down, big c I'm backing crowds for 101 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: two years. I never had a crowd be back here. 102 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: It's gonna be amazing. You know, go get that dub. 103 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: Like I said, I've been saying, man, I I just 104 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: have this feeling, you know, I've been in I've been 105 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: in there with this guy for ten rounds, ten rounds. 106 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: I t I really feel like we're not going past 107 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: three in this one. 108 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: What wh what? Why? What? 109 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: What's What's so different? 110 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: I mean he's different, I'm different. I just think the 111 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: training I've been doing is gonna pay off in a 112 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: in a in a big way, in in a in 113 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: a very big way. I think. So the train that 114 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: I've been doing, my game plan, the recipe that we're 115 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: cooking up in this one, it's gonna be thing looking good. 116 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about it. So after the first fight, 117 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: obviously you probably had conversations with your coaches, But did 118 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: you ever have a meeting after the first fight and 119 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: been like, Okay, what went wrong not I know you 120 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: probably feel like you may have should your hand raised, 121 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: certainly in the second one, maybe the first one. But 122 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: what were you and the coaches saying, like, why didn't 123 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: it go your way? What was the assessment? 124 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: I mean the first one. I think we had a 125 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 3: meeting in this room. I think right after the fight. 126 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 3: I think we had to meet. We sat down, we 127 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: talked a little while, and we wanted to figure out 128 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: what was wrong. They all talked about it. We all 129 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: had we all had ideas of what what we think 130 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: went wrong and where went wrong. And that's what it is, 131 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: you know, that's how you get better, you know, you 132 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: confront your demons, you know, and was confronting what we 133 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: think went wrong. And it was literally like maybe like 134 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: an hour after the fight was back, here was at 135 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: this table in this in this hotel, sitting down and 136 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: talking about like what we can do different, what we 137 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: did different, what he did great, what I did great? 138 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: What I did bad? And we went from there. 139 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: What makes him good? 140 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: I mean he's just well mixed, well rounded, you know, 141 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: he's well rounded, super good. I mean, I mean I 142 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: might give away too much if I tell him what 143 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: makes him good? 144 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: You know, So how about this. What did you learn 145 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: about him through the process of fighting him ten rounds. 146 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: I mean it's not I would say learn. I just 147 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: I think they're camping him. They're just smart, they're super smart. 148 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: You know. They played the system, especially the first the 149 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: first fight really good. You know, they played the system 150 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: really good. So you know, to lose to them, to 151 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: lose to them, and we're here for a third time, 152 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: you know. I mean if the first, if the first 153 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: two was so decisively, we wouldn't be here for a third, 154 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: you know. 155 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about the second fight. 156 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 2: Things. 157 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: You have the meeting after the first, you get the 158 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: second fight. And it looked to me in the second fight, 159 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: to my amateur eyes, but that is all that I have. 160 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: That your stance changed, You got more up right, You 161 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: didn't chase him as much. You let him come to 162 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: you as In fact, I think the way you knocked 163 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: him down was by virtue that by his four pressure 164 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: and a lot more linear attacks up the middle, and 165 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: it worked really well. I thought you won the first round. 166 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: I thought you won the second round cleanly. And I 167 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: noticed after the second round you did the bit, which 168 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: was I was like, okay, Max, is cooking right now, 169 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: he's in the kitchen. But the third round things began 170 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: to change. He was able to make adjustments in the 171 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: middle of the fight. I know that you probably think 172 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: that you won the fight. There was certainly a case 173 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: for you, but in the end the judges didn't agree 174 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: what happened from the third round on. 175 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, I mean, when you fighting 176 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: the best, you get the best, the best two guys 177 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: in there. You know, the best two teams in there. 178 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: It's not only us. We got eyes on the outside. 179 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: I think he did adjustments, you know, and I guess 180 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: so to the three guys Saint Judge Octagon side, those 181 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: those those little adjustments got him to fight, you know. 182 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: So it is what it is. You know, it is 183 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: what it was. Actually, I'm not gonna not gonna say 184 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: over here, Crabbell spilled milk. You know, there's there's tree guys, 185 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: tree not guys or can me girls or whatever tree 186 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: people sitting ring side. That decision count the most, and 187 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: they went the other way. So you know why I 188 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: get mad. You know, we we cleaned it up. We 189 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: you know, we cleaned that up. The mess up we 190 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: went on and I knew he was gonna find our 191 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: way back somehow to tell you, you know, if I had 192 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: to fight two times, street times, four times, whatever it was, 193 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: We're gonna be right back here. And uh, you know 194 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: two years later, you know, or a year half actually 195 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: we're here and ready to go. 196 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: Candidly, when the fight went to the decision in the 197 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: second one, what was your level of confidence that you 198 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: had won? 199 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: Ah, I was like, I thought I won. You know, like, 200 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: if you did you think he had won any rounds? 201 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: I thought maybe. I thought maybe maybe the last round 202 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: or or the fourth round. I'm mixing on my rounds. 203 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: I forget which one it was, but one of those rounds, 204 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: for sure, I thought he won in the later rounds, 205 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: you know. And uh, but it is what it is, 206 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: you know, they did this niggle my way. I'm not 207 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: gonna you know why, I'm gonna pot about it or 208 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: cry about it. You know, I had they know why 209 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: you talked about it, you know, like a bunch of 210 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: like a hundred UFC fighters was saying that I wanted 211 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 3: to fight. So you know, why add more fuel to 212 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: the fire when you don't need to. 213 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: I guess the question I'm trying to get at is 214 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: it's weird that Again, I want to be very clear, 215 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: there is certainly a case for you to win, especially 216 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: the second one, the second one, the first two rounds. 217 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any debate that you took though 218 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: all you had to have is one more in the 219 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: next three. But the judges kind of keep siding with him. 220 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: What do you think they're seeing? And I know we 221 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: don't know. The judges don't talk to us, but there's 222 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: got to be something, right, Like they keep kind of 223 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: orienting themselves around what he's doing. Is it the amount 224 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: of activity he does, all the fainting, all the footwork, 225 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: all the movement. 226 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: What is it? 227 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: I wouldn't know, you know, I wouldn't know. I couldn't 228 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: answer for them, I guess. I mean, we're all kind 229 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: of dumbfound the situation to be honest, you know, like 230 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: we all don't know, like we all looked and like 231 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, Like even after seeing the strikes after 232 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: sometimes I'm like, why, Like I don't even remember getting 233 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: hit that much times, you know, And then I guess, 234 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: I guess even or not hit them at the time, 235 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: it's significant. Strikes is the thing that tripped me out. 236 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, how the hell is he keeping on with me? 237 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: And significant strikes? But here's what it is. You know, 238 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 3: I'm not the guy who's who's counting. What is a 239 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: significant strike? What is a strike? Period? So you know 240 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: it's it's something that I think so we got accident. 241 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: Was your feeling after the first fight the same as 242 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: the feeling after the second or did you have Was 243 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: there a difference between the way you processed what had happened. 244 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: No, I felt like I felt like they both did. 245 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: They was both the same. I feel pretty good. I 246 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: mean the second one had to be a little bit 247 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: bigger because I even though they didn't count as the knockdowns, Like, 248 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: I felt like I had knockdowns in that in that 249 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: second fight, you know, so I think what in the 250 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: second one was a little bit bigger. But again, it 251 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: is what it was. Like, I'm not gonna complain about 252 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: something that that happened two years, a year and a 253 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: half ago. 254 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: What what did the city kickboxing guys do that you 255 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: called them smart? Give me an example of what makes 256 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: them smart? And by the way, to be fair, I 257 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: want to be clear. Volkanowski is not just a city 258 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: kid foxing guy. He's a freestyle fighting. Uh. I think 259 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: his academy's the name of the gym police forgive me, 260 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: for get it wrong. But so he's he's got more 261 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: than just that association. 262 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think their game planning is great. I 263 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: mean you look at him, you look at easy. I 264 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: mean the two guys that's actually doing very well, with 265 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: the exception of Kai Kai. You know, like Kai Kai 266 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: franc Is a is a guy going out there finishing 267 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: guys or whatever, like and Is he is finishing guy 268 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: as well as well too. But Isy and and Alex 269 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: almost like the same fighter where it is kind of 270 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: like they kind of touch touch touch touch, and is 271 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: he actually has the power a little bit later or 272 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: the timing or whatever you want to call it where 273 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: he puts somebody down and he gets to finish. You know. 274 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: But like the top two standouts of of the of 275 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: that of that crew is a lot of guys that 276 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: touch they're they're they're they're very smart, know how to 277 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: play the system. I touch you here, I touch you there, 278 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: get away, touch touch here. Make it look like a 279 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: big stuff that I guess that's what it is. You know. 280 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: They they they played the system well, they got a 281 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: system down to the lock them in the system, get 282 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: with the rules and stuff, and they look good. Like, 283 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: if you guys don't believe me, go run Izzy's and 284 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: and Alex's fight back to back the same thing. You know, 285 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: go break it down. These guys touch touch, touched. The 286 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: only difference between between both of them is that is 287 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: he actually lands something that really hurts you and then 288 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: finish you, you know. And then I mean, Alex finally 289 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: lands something. I actually hurt someone and finished them in 290 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 3: his last fight. But that's what I think it is. 291 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: I think they're they're super smarter playing the system. 292 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: It's interesting. 293 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: People are like, oh, Alex, did you see. 294 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: That fight, by the way, the Alex fight. I just 295 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: I saw a clip. I saw the finish, of course, 296 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: but I didn't watch the full fight. My coaches watched 297 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: the fight. I asked him, do they do they think 298 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: I need to watch it? I know it's pretty much 299 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: what we thought was going to happen happen, And I 300 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah. 301 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: There was a lot of talk about like, oh, he 302 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: went for the kill, and I'm like, I don't believe that. 303 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: I just think fighting you, I don't want to be 304 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: disrespectful to the Green Zombie. Fighting any of those guys 305 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: is difficult. Fighting you is a completely different thing. That's 306 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: why it's harder to do anything to you than it 307 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: is to him. And that means me. 308 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's any fighter, you know what I mean. 309 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 3: It's harder to do certain moves against against you, your 310 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: argregients than it was with Cater. You know. That's that's 311 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 3: every fight, every fight that you go to. It's it's 312 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: a different thing. You know. Anybody would take it as disrespect. 313 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: It's like, it's not, you know, it's no disrespect to anyone. 314 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: It's a I'm a different fighter from Karan Zombie, you know, 315 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: and we understand that. So my age is much younger 316 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: to miles on me is a little bit lower than 317 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: Karan Zombie. So I understand it. 318 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, in terms of this fight, where do you 319 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: derive I want to be very clear about this. Where 320 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: do you derive the motivation? Here's what I mean. Some 321 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: fighters like, oh I hate that guy. 322 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: I don't. 323 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: I saw you guys shaking hands. You've been in the 324 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: game too long for that. That's not you, right, Is 325 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: it is it reclaiming the belt? Is it proving something 326 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to yourself? Where where where is your mind in terms 327 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: of why you're doing this. 328 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, you know, we approach every 329 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: fight like it's my first and last. You know, we 330 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: don't We don't. 331 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Know what's in your heart, like what's seriously like what 332 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: drives you to make sure that you and I think 333 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: your mind right? This wrong? 334 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: I mean at the end of the day. But I 335 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: mean I said it like I want to bring bands 336 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: to the world. But you know, one of the main 337 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: things is my son and my wife, you know, like 338 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: I spend so much time away from them, so much 339 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: time in the gym. Sometimes they come, sometimes they don't. 340 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: So I want to show them, show to my friends, 341 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: my family, my wife and my kid. This is why 342 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: your husband or your dad is away from you. This 343 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: is why we cannot go and watch Buzz light Year 344 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: in the theaters right now because I don't want to 345 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: get sick. You know. This is why we can't go 346 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: to the beach over there because I'm not feeling up 347 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: to it because I'm hurting from training. So it's just 348 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: showing them that, like, look, this is this is why 349 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: I did it. This is all the hardwork payoff right here. Now, 350 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: let's go have a honeymoon, have a vacation. Let's go 351 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: catch Buzz light Year and theater say it? 352 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: Did you? 353 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: I did not? I did not. We waited. 354 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: I've not seen it either. I have a three year 355 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: old daughter. She's she liked the trailers. Okay, just the 356 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: same have Okay, So you have two losses to Dustin 357 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: Poory eight. Now, one was at one forty five when 358 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: you're a very beginning of the UFC run, and then 359 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: one was at one fifty five and he was obviously 360 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: a completely different fighter. To what extent has this experience 361 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: truly demonstrably made you better? Do you ever think about that, 362 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: like you've had to problem solve and win. You had 363 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to beat Rodriguez, you had to beat Cater We'll talk 364 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But you have to really 365 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: problem solve. You and your team had to really kind 366 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: of figure this out. Do you ever look back on 367 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: that and say, like, I don't know, like it did 368 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: actually make us a little bit better? 369 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh for sure. I mean every loss, every loss 370 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: is only a loss if you don't if you don't learn, 371 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: if you don't learn from it. You know, every ol 372 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: to me, I always say it is a learning curve. 373 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: You know, and even with the Dustin em Ployer fight, 374 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, first things versus acts of course, 375 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: but as one of another fight up there like at 376 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: fifty five who knows, or one sevening whatever day we 377 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: might meet again. You know, those fights wasn't too far off. 378 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: And on the first one was whatever he sugged me. 379 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: But this was like, you know, like even Kabing thought 380 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: I won that fight, you know, I mean, yeah, Comb 381 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: is another story. But you know, at the end of 382 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: the day, yeah, you know, at the end of the day, 383 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: it's it's just crazy, you know. I I we learned 384 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: a lot. You find you find a lot about yourself 385 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: when when you you know, when you take an l 386 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: when you learn you know, more than a win anytime, 387 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, when you're winning and you just keep winning, 388 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: win and winning, it's like you don't you don't have 389 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: the drive to better anything or change anything, you know, 390 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: but and if you do it, you're that is amazing, 391 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: great for you. But when you lose, people really sit 392 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: down and break down themselves and be like, oh wow, 393 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: what's going on? You know, and look we that that 394 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: that doesn't fight. We came back, I think we thought 395 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: Edgar right felt great, felt good, and we that doesn't 396 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: fight didn't only help us like in my fight game, 397 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: and help me with like doing all kinds of stuff 398 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, you know, me and my business manager 399 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: and my team. We got we got docs, We got 400 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff figured out after that fight, you know, 401 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: just to just to think if I ever wanted to 402 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 3: go up and get bigger again, then we go do it, 403 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: go up and get bigger again. 404 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: You know, fair enough? Okay, So then you had the 405 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: fight with Calvin Cator, which was just an un When 406 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: you look back on that fight, is that like the 407 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: best showcase of Max? 408 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 2: What? 409 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: How do you package that in all the things that 410 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: you've done in your career? 411 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, yeah, I was in the zone. 412 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: I was in the zone. I think the best package 413 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: mixed martial arts package of Max had to be the 414 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: Year fight for sure, cause I got to show different 415 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: aspects of my game in there. But the best, like 416 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: the best that was just striking in the zone Max. 417 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: That that was it. I mean, doesn't it does it? 418 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if it ever gonna get better than that, 419 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: you know, who knows? I mean Saturday night not that far. 420 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: So I get to answer my own question. 421 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Did you did you have not like extra motivation to 422 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: stick it to people? Because that doesn't you seem very 423 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: family and self centered and I mean that way, not 424 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: like a selfish way, like focused internally versus externally. But 425 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: there was a certain fire that came out of you 426 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: there when you were looking at the commentary table and 427 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: talking to them. 428 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: Was that? 429 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: Where what was that? Where did that come from? 430 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: People? It was like there was calling me a journeyman. 431 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: I I I was tripping out. I was like, wow, 432 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: I just l you know, I you know, you lost 433 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: the belt and I fought the champion and then things 434 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: didn't go too well, and it could have gone A 435 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: lot of people were saying my way, and they just 436 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: forgot about that. Like a lot of people just forgot 437 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: about that. And I was just tripping out. He was 438 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: talking a lot of people was saying that this guy 439 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 3: get the best, has the best boxing in the in 440 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: the UFC. He was talking about it, called me, you know, 441 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: he called me a freshman or whatever, and I was 442 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 3: like whoa. I was like, this is outrageous, Like this 443 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: is just crazy. You know, there's levels of these games. 444 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, there's there's there's this 445 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: there's different levels. There's one level of getting into the UFC, 446 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: and then there's a level of getting into the top 447 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: fifteen of the UFC, and then there's his levels of 448 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: getting from fifteen to ten and at ten to five 449 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: and then the champion and like the top three contenders 450 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: in the world, you know, and people don't know, people 451 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: think it's all the same, you know, people just like, oh, 452 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: you're in the UFC, You're you're amongst these guys, Like, no, 453 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: you're not hot. You gotta go work your way to 454 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 3: the top. And you know, I just I had a 455 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 3: feeling like people got to find out the hard way, 456 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 3: and I guess he found the hard way, you know. 457 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: And it was great, you know, nothing but love for Cater. 458 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: He's out here doing this thing to see it, So 459 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: that was pretty cool to have that, to have that moment, 460 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: you know, was. 461 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: There ever a point where and I'm asking this genuinely, 462 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: I have great respect for Calvicator as well. I was 463 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: watching that live and I was thinking to myself, I 464 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: started to feel bad for him, Yeah, did you ever 465 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: feel bad for him? I mean, just the amount of damage. 466 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: I was actually getting concerned. 467 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: I know, in the third round. If I think it 468 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: was the third round, I think I for sure. Yeah. 469 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: I was against the fence and I shot him for 470 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: a takedown because in my mind, I was like, my gosh, 471 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just gonna like this guy is 472 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: just too strong, Like he's just too strong for doing good. 473 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: So I was thinking like, I'm want to go go 474 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 3: to his leg, suck it, suck it out for Monday 475 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: and right now and just gone upond and get a 476 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 3: finished from her dean, you know, real quick. And when 477 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 3: I did it, he defended. I was like, I guess not. 478 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: I guess you wanted to get punch in your head. 479 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: So I was like, here it is, bro, I'm sorry. 480 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: All right. 481 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: So then it takes us to the aer Rodriguez fight. 482 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: Did you want that fight? Like, did you think after that? 483 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: Because I thought after you beat cater beating cater One 484 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: was impressive enough, and then the way you did it, 485 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're just gonna make the third 486 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: the third Alex fight, but they didn't they So did 487 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: you want that fight? 488 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 3: It happens, you know, it is what it is. I'm 489 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: not a I'm not a matchmaker. Yeah, I know. I'm 490 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 3: not a matchmaker. I did it personally that I wanted 491 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: to fight your Year, Yes, am? I Like, what was 492 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: what was planned for me and him? 493 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: Like? 494 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: Are people been dream matchmaking us forever? You know? Me 495 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: and him? Was like I remember, I think I thought 496 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: Jeremy Stevens back in like U SA one ninety seven, 497 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: when did all that was the older corner card, right, 498 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 3: I think that was the older corner card whenever all 499 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: the Connor. Yeah, I we opened up the main card. 500 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: I remember running to Rugrigi's in the back and and everybody, 501 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: like a lot of people wanted to fight. I was like, 502 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: and he's a young kid too, so I was like, 503 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna fight this guy multiple times. That's the 504 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: way I'm thinking, you know. So you know took years 505 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: later to finally make it happen, and I was great 506 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: with it. You know, it is what it is. I 507 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: would have would I rather have tied up probably, But 508 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: that's not the way it planned out. You know, we 509 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: got your Year and I got to go out there 510 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: in a showcase my mixed martial. 511 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Arts that wasn't impressive, right, because you gave it to 512 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: him in the striking, he returned the favor. But what 513 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: decided the difference, it seemed to me, was to your point, 514 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the well roundedness. Did you know you were gonna have 515 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: to go to that gear or is that like on 516 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: the fly, like okay, we gotta, we gotta not like 517 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that, oh he's piecing me up. 518 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: I can't fight him on the feet. But I mean, 519 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: like the smart thing to do here. 520 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: Yeah it was it turn it out. Yeah for sure, 521 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, that's the smart thing to do 522 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 3: every fight is to mix it up. So at the 523 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: end of the day, mixing up with him JA made sense, 524 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: you know. And uh, I he they said he was 525 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 3: working on his wrestling, so I was like, oh, I 526 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: betta beat him to this wrestling game then, you know, 527 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: cause I'd been working on my wrestling. So it was 528 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: super fun. It was super good. I mean, I n 529 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 3: like the the guy's a dog man. You know your 530 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: year's a dog. A lot of people sleep on 'em. 531 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: Uh And I would admit, I I thought you were 532 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: gonna r n not run over him, but I thought 533 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: it would look a little bit like around three, around four, 534 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: just trying to take it over. He was he he 535 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: really impressed. 536 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: He was in there. He was in in the fight, 537 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: you know, I especially being away for what was it 538 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 3: two years or something? R uh he he he came 539 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 3: to fight, you know, and and then hit and not 540 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 3: get hit. Thing with him as hard as as hard 541 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 3: as it get. Man, the guy is like his dick 542 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 3: stirty and his legs, his flexibility, his quickness, his his 543 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: IQ too, and his just his overall creativeness is it 544 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 3: is pretty cool in there. So I got to go 545 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: in there and experience it with him, you know, I look, 546 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: I look forward to probably seeing him a couple more 547 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 3: times in our career. You know. I know he ain't 548 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere. 549 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: So that's weird about this word about the Volkanowski fight, right, 550 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: the Catter fight was just basically one sided. But the 551 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: Ear fight you won clearly won in my view, although 552 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: this is the thing that was a tough fight, bro. 553 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: And the Volkanowski fights you always walk out there and 554 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, he's probably gonna go to the club later, 555 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, Like it's really weird, like those are the 556 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: ones that have eluded you. But this really tough fight 557 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: that was the one you got your hand. So is 558 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: the key here not like yeah, here is obviously dramatically 559 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: different than Alex. But is there something to be said 560 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: for the complexion of a fight looking a certain way 561 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: and that favoring you or vice versa. 562 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 3: I mean, if if I need to have tough fights 563 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 3: and have the tough fighters to get my decision, then 564 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: thanks for breaking the cold or something. So maybe we're 565 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: gonna make this one tougher than it has to be 566 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: on Saturday, I. 567 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: Guess what I'm asking. When you went back to the 568 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: locker room, you were like, holy shit, that was tough. 569 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean after the fight out when they sent 570 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: us for the year fight, they sent us to the 571 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: Tory emergency room, and I was like begging them. I 572 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: was like, I'm fine, It's like, no, you need the 573 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: gold kid. I'm like, I I understand. I had that 574 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: big cut, but that big cut was like in the 575 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: last in the in the last round, halfway two a round, 576 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: and he elbowed me, like and I and we knew 577 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: he was getting ready. Like there's like there's like three 578 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 3: things that I knew he was gonna throw in the fight. 579 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: If I got onto the ground, his choice back elbow. 580 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: If I got him against the fence, he's gonna choice 581 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 3: up elbow. Against the fence and and his spinning kick 582 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: and h he's jumping front kick. I I knew those 583 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: three things is coming. I was like, I'm not gonna 584 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: and then two O the three things land and the 585 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: yeah he didn't land the the the junk somer soul kick, 586 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: but he landed a stupid punch on me in my face. 587 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: When he got up, I was like, what is going on? 588 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: Like I I knew the three things was coming, and 589 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 3: the three things landed on me. So yeah, I was 590 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: kind of upset about that. But the guy is tricky. 591 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: Man. 592 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: I was super good and uh yeah I was. I 593 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 3: was trying to you can aks them, you can aks 594 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: my business warnery aksed my coach. I was talking about 595 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: I'm fine, let me do media, let me go talk 596 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 3: to me. They're like, no, you need to go. I 597 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: don't even know how you're walking. I was like, I 598 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: watched the I watched it and then I was like, 599 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: I understand where it is cause he was kicking my leg, 600 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: but wasn't It wasn't nothing too crazy, you know. I 601 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: his foot took me more damage in my leg, you know. 602 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: So I was like I can do it. And I 603 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: was like, no, they insisted and like took up like 604 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: two hours of my freaking I had a dinner that 605 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: I was I was scared I was gonna miss with 606 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: my family. I was like, come on, I gotta get 607 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: out of here, please. And then yeah, it happened. 608 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: When they say it there they stitched you up the 609 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: same bit you nothing. 610 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: It was like, everything's good. You know. They scanned, they 611 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: scanned me and they they they look at my foot. 612 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: There was like, oh, just swelling, and I was like, 613 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 3: you can go. I was like, really, like two hours 614 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: for this. 615 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: Come on, all right. So let me tell you one 616 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: concern that I have and I don't say this. I 617 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: hope you understand this, and I know you've you know 618 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: that I have huge admiration for your career. I do 619 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: worry about the amount of damage you've taken over the 620 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: course of your career. 621 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: Do you not? 622 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: Really? Not really? And And the only reason why I 623 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: understand what you guys see cause you guys see me 624 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 3: in these wars, in these fights, right, so in your 625 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: guy's mind, you guys are not thinking of the training 626 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 3: that that that you guys might be thinking like, oh, 627 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: if he's having wars here, he's probably we got scared 628 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: of people being in the gym talking stories like I 629 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: have wars in the gym, right, I d I don't 630 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: have no wars in the gym. I do no sparring. 631 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: I know, I don't get my head my head hit 632 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: in anything, you know, like uh like personally uh uh 633 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: like uh on purpose, you know, s of course, like 634 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 3: when you're jiu jitsu stuff, you can't stop hitting whatever. 635 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: But I don't spar anymore. We don't do no hard rounds. 636 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: Everything is just much more smarter, you know, like every 637 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: forget our timing and stuff. 638 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: We go. 639 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: We we do a little bit motion stuff, but we're 640 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: not cracking each other like how we would like before it. 641 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: Before my my training was worse than the fights. You know, 642 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 3: we should have been getting paid fifty K for the 643 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: fights then then then actually in the fights. So at 644 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I'm not too worried. I mean, 645 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: I know that significant strike. Everybody see it. And I 646 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: heard him talking about it, be like, oh you know, 647 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna crack up and blah blah blah this and that. 648 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, brother, like, did you free get the first 649 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: two fights we fought like one? I know? Ever think 650 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: so you ever even made me do the chicken dance, 651 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: and two like you was on the side of doing 652 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: the falling down over you know, so I don't get it. 653 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: So again I'm gonna ask this question with great sensitivity, 654 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: not in the fight itself, like obviously, if you get 655 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: hit in the fight, that doesn't count. But have you 656 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: ever experienced any neurological symptoms or or. 657 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: Issues? 658 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: No, not at all. I mean, I mean my my business. 659 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Marner is like super big into that. So everything is 660 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 3: one of our one of our things that you know, 661 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: one of our things that we like saying. You know, 662 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: Russians we put rush first, no matter what, you know 663 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 3: what I mean, Russi is always first. And since Russia 664 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: is first, that I need to make sure that I'm good, 665 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: you know. So he made sure we go check up out. 666 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: We have a bunch, We have pretty much our own 667 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 3: teams of doctors that make sure that everything and my brain, 668 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 3: my health, my cardio, everything that I'm consuming, whatever I'm 669 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 3: coming in all checks the lists. 670 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: Okay, And I know again I want to be very clear, 671 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: I am asking that of great sensitivity. I know that's 672 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: a sort of personal question, so I hope you know 673 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: it comes from a place of genuine admiration for what 674 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: you've done. But also, yeah, you're right, I'm just I'm 675 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: just an observer. 676 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel. 677 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: And on the observer side, even when you win, even 678 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: when you went like the like the like yeah, yeah, 679 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: your fight just spectacular. Win's blood and guts a fair 680 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, And as an observer, it's hard to know 681 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: what to make of that. 682 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, at the end of the day, 683 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: we need we need people like you, you know, looking 684 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: out for Sometimes you talk to the right guy or 685 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 3: or a guy who's not in my situation where we 686 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 3: are doing all the right says for it, and then 687 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: you ask end the question and they go and be like, 688 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: you know what, I should go and figure this out whatever, 689 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: and you might actually help them, you might save a life. 690 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: So it ain't I ain't taking this with a grano 691 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: salt or anything. I understand that you care and people 692 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: do care, you know, Like like you said, you've been 693 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: covering me for like ten years now. It's almost like 694 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: it's almost like your family kind. 695 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Of Look how gray I am, Max, I've gotten gray 696 00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: covering you. 697 00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: That's what it's done. 698 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, but it's true, Like do you see you know 699 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: you're in the gym obviously and you're on the sport. 700 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: Do you think fighters in general take enough care about 701 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: that kind of thing? 702 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: And personally, like if you ask me, I will say no. 703 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: I say no. And I said, is to all the 704 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: fighters out there, everybody, protect your chickens, you know what 705 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: I mean? The great what the great Marshal Lidz said, 706 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: protect your chickens. You guys only get one. You guys 707 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: want to be around like I want to be able 708 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: to throw balls with my great grandkids, you know, Like 709 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: I know it's far away from that rush, there's only ten, 710 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: but even my great great grand kids. I want to 711 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: be in great, top shape whenever, whenever I need to 712 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: do life. You know, I don't want to be in 713 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: a wheelchair. I don't want to be able to not 714 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: put a sentence together for my son or my great 715 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: grand my great grandkids. So at then a day, it's 716 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: do your job, protect yourself and don't be scared to 717 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: ask for help, you know what I mean, Like the 718 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: only person you're hurting is yourself, you know, never ever 719 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: be scared to act some and for out. 720 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your team for a second, I have 721 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: a theory. See what you think about it, No theory, 722 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: just just to claim I think your team is maybe 723 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: the most underrated in MMA in terms of a lot 724 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: of things, but most notably. You talk about how City 725 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: Kickboxing is smart, and I agree, Eugene Bearman is smart. 726 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: And there's some other folks in there there obviously very 727 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: bright as well. Ivan Flores and the guys around you, 728 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: my judgment, are just as smart and they don't get 729 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the credit. 730 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 3: Why not at all? You know why? You know I 731 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: haven't Ivan Flores, Ryland Azars, Michael Knaa, Darren Yeah, Christopher Daggett, 732 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: these five names. You guys not gonna hear nothing about. 733 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: You know why, because I got a hold of freaking 734 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: gun to their head to tell them to go do 735 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: an interview. Like they don't want to do interviews. Everything 736 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 3: is me me first. They're like, no, we're just doing 737 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: everything for you. And and they don't want none of 738 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: the light. They don't want none to shine. And that's 739 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: why I love them. You know, these guys don't want nothing. 740 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: You know this. 741 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 3: There's a point where where I had to hassle them 742 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: to actually pay him to I was like, bro, come on, guys, 743 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: like you guys just take your time. Yeah, these guys, 744 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 3: I was like, you guys, these guys take time on 745 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 3: their family and friends. Like they got kids. Both of 746 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: 'em got two kids, you know what I mean. It's 747 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: like two of them, the three of 'em and one 748 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 3: of them get four, got four kids, you know, or 749 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: three kids. So at the end of the day, it's 750 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: just like, that's why I love the team. Man. They 751 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: they they don't want, they don't want none of the 752 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 3: Look at me, I'm the guy. I'm the reason why 753 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: I actually like this. They're like, nah, he's the reason 754 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: why we're here to help him, and he's doing it 755 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: because of him. So, I mean, find guys like that, 756 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: find guys that they just wanted s. I mean, I 757 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: guess so, I guess. So they're like they're almost like 758 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: the Avengers, but low key, you know what I mean, 759 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 3: the low key Avengers. Like then they're not popping their 760 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: chests out and being like, oh, I'm doing this, doing 761 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 3: that for him, And that's why I got nothing but 762 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: love for these guys. Man. They'll do anything for me. 763 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: I mean I used to even when I first started 764 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: training with Ryland, I didn't have a job that I had. 765 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: I had nothing pretty much, and he just said, come 766 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: come to the gym. Don't worry about paying nothing, just 767 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: just make sure show up. We figure it out, you know. 768 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: And the same thing with Darren. Yeah, I had no money. 769 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: It's pretty expensive to train with him, and he was like, 770 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: you know, just just come we figure it out as 771 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 3: we go and and we did. So this guy's just amazing, 772 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: you know. Like I said, I really got to hold 773 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 3: a gun, like no bullshit. Like I'm like, you guys 774 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: need to you guys need to do this interview. They're 775 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: like you have seen me this interview, Like come on, 776 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: really me or like even in bedded trying to interview, 777 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: like the guys, I gotta use the bathroom and they're 778 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 3: like gone forever. I'm like this, guys, come on. 779 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Actually I had Ivan one time on my radio show 780 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: and I want to I'm saying this as a compliment 781 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: to to like what he does for you. That was 782 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: the worst interview I ever had. He wouldn't tell me anything. 783 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: He wouldn't tell me anything. He was so friendly the 784 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: whole time, and he was just we've just. 785 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,479 Speaker 1: Duck it in Dodge, and I'm like okay, all right, 786 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: So I want I'm gonna try with this. You gotta 787 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: give me his number because once you're retired, because I 788 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: know he's gonna tell me shit while you're around. Once 789 00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: you're retired, he. 790 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: Owes me, and man, yeah, I mean once I retire, 791 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: you can probably ask him about me. But he got 792 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: his little son coming up, and his son really wants 793 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 3: to be a fighter. Yeah yeah. His na son name 794 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: is Aries. So his son is like really wants to 795 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: be a fire. So I don't know if you're gonna 796 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: get anything. I'm just giving your heads up. I don't 797 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: know if you're gonna get anything because, like I even 798 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 3: told him because his son, his son is like my 799 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: son's ages are ten, the same age. And his son said, oh, 800 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 3: I want to fight. He wanted to fight Uncle Max 801 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: for for his belt, you know, when he can. So 802 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 3: he don't know. The kid don't know. But when he's 803 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 3: like sixteen or eighteen, I'm gonna put up the belt, 804 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: one of the belts in the house. I'm gonna spar hi. 805 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna fight him in the gym. I'm gonna that's 806 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 3: not tell him. I'm like, bro, I'm gonna fight you 807 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: this year. Finally even running your mouth. Since he's a 808 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,239 Speaker 3: little kid, we're gonna do it now. 809 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: The thing about Ivanan, again, it's not just him, but 810 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm just using as an example because I had him 811 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: on the show once. Okay, but they're generous souls, they're 812 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: kind people, they're hard working. But I do want to 813 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: focus on that one thing that I said about how 814 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: smart they are. When did you realize, oh wait a second, 815 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: these dudes are real dialed in, they're real bright. I 816 00:33:59,600 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: mean I. 817 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: Did exactly to tell you the honest truth. I just 818 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 3: kind of lucked out, man. I just like I just 819 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: get I get lucky with a bunch of things, or 820 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: not even luck. I think I guess he's in a nickname. 821 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 3: I just get blessed. Man. I was like the way 822 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: the way me and me and Rylan came, I got Rylan. 823 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: Ryland is the one that I found Ryland first, and 824 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 3: Ryland is the one that threw me to Darren. Ryland 825 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 3: is the one that brang in I even into the camp. 826 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: And uh Ryland's wife is friends with with with Christopher Dagger. 827 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 3: So it's like it's this small little thing like Ryland 828 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 3: was the Ryland was the root and his little brand 829 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 3: says he grabbed everybody. So I just I lucked out 830 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 3: in it. Man, I just got lucky. It wasn't like, 831 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: oh wow, this guy's so smart, he's doing this and that, 832 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. I was like, no, I needed jiu jitsu. 833 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 3: Ryland was the man on the island. I got, I 834 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 3: ran into him and then he did everything else amazing. 835 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: Now you mentioned coming forward, we will see what happens 836 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday, win or lose. Does one fifty five hinge 837 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: on that, like it is the one fifty five plan 838 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: such that it is one. Is it contingent on a 839 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: certain outcome on Saturday or not? 840 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all. But but there 841 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 3: is history there, you know, with the guy that like 842 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: he's not the champion, but he should still be the 843 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: champion in my eyes, you know, Charles Rolaverro, you know, 844 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: and there's history and meet him. Like I said, Dustin, 845 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: we always on the short list for Connor. So there's 846 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: a bunch of things. But you know, first things first, 847 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 3: we got business to handle. I know, my name ing 848 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 3: Dana White, Hunter Campbell, Sean Charlby or mcmainer. I don't 849 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 3: meet up with those guys on Tuesdays as their job. 850 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go in take care of business on 851 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: Saturday and now see where it leads us. 852 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: Are you surprised by Olivera's maturation? Like he used to 853 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: be the guy who was always real good, especially with 854 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu, but then you know he would kind of 855 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: flake out certain times. But now he like he just 856 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: walked into justin gaegee. Was that surprising to you that 857 00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 1: he's become. 858 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 3: So for me, whatever he found he found, man whatever. 859 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 3: I don't know what he putting in his asai nowadays, 860 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: but I want a couple that assai Charles, because he's 861 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 3: been killing it. He's been amazing, and I'm kind I'm 862 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 3: kind of pissed for him that he kind of got 863 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 3: history took it away from him. You know his next fight, Yeah, 864 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 3: and his next fight is going to be fighting for 865 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: a title, not a title defense, which is rightfully so 866 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: be so you know, he looking scary. The dude been 867 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 3: looking good. He's been cracking people, he been he been 868 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 3: making people quit, that's calling him quitters. So it's an 869 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 3: amazing thing to see. 870 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: Right you mentioned habib I would be REMISSI if I 871 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: didn't mention it. So what Habib said was basically he 872 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: he tried his Habib's defense. He did try to be 873 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: respectful about it, but he did say he thought Bolkodowski 874 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: would win the third meeting between you two. Did that 875 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: annoy you, No, not at all. 876 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: He said something about I heard something about fire or 877 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 3: something right like, he said, I don't have the fire. Yeah, 878 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: he said I don't have the fire that's coming. He 879 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: went that way. So I just think he must be 880 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: a fan of Alex Cooking Show. And he saw the fire. 881 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: He literally saw fire, so that's what the thing is 882 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 3: coming to his mind. So yeah, I saw he could 883 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 3: be But I don't cook. I play video games. Maybe 884 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 3: that's why he think. I mean, the fire in the 885 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 3: video games is pretty fire, bro, I dropped some pretty 886 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 3: fire contact with the video games guys. So make sure 887 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 3: you guys come to Facebook gaming, and sure you guys 888 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 3: show your boy some love. But you know, all jokes aside. 889 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 890 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about. You know, he's 891 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 3: not with me in the gym, he's not with me 892 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: the day to day. 893 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: I know. 894 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: I don't. 895 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 3: I don't post nothing trained The only thing posts I 896 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 3: really post is that gaming my merch, you know, don't 897 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 3: forget shop Max Holary dot com. Pick up that merch. Look, look, 898 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 3: Luke would look fire in these Look. 899 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: At what you're You're thirty years old and in shape. 900 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 2: I'm a forty two year old. 901 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: Wash that. 902 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: That's right. 903 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get the floor shorts and you want to tank. 904 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 3: Let's say that is on the planet. We can get 905 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: you that. We can get that. Yes, send this guy 906 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: that you get on. 907 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: Get on it. 908 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 3: We will do that. 909 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: Still, though, speaking of sort of all the things you 910 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: have going on, do you ever do you ever does 911 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: the acknowledgment of your peers? How much does that matter? 912 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: Because you sort of noted that well before the cater fight, 913 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: they were calling you journeyman and this, that and the other, 914 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: and they could think kind of, I can tell what 915 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: at least slightly irritates you. Does Does the acknowledgment of 916 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: your ability and accomplishments from your let's say, fighting peers. 917 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it drives you, but it does seem 918 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,439 Speaker 1: to matter. 919 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's cool, you know, it is what it is, 920 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 3: you know, especially when I mean it's could be saying something. 921 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: It is what it is. 922 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not all criticism. 923 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and a bunch of it is praised. 924 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, after the second fight, like 925 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 3: I had like more than half the UC roster saying that, 926 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 3: you know, I should be the champ or whatever. So 927 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I love the peers, 928 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 3: you know, I love seeing everybody. I love being the 929 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: guy that everybody's cool with or whatever. You know, I'm 930 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 3: I guess the best way to sum it up is 931 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 3: like I'm your favorite fighter's favorite fighter and that and that, 932 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 3: and that feels great. You know. 933 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: Do you ever think about what role you want to 934 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: play in the history of Hawaiian mma, like specifically that particular. 935 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: Lane, uh you know, not really, you know, but but 936 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 3: when it when it's all said and done, now you 937 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 3: said it, I would I would love to be I 938 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 3: guess the DC. You know how DC is to me, 939 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 3: And like if if I haven't needed anything, I'd call 940 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 3: d C pick his mind about something or whatever. So yeah, 941 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 3: any Hawaii guys just reach out, you know. I would 942 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 3: love to tell you guys how to do it, and 943 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 3: tell you guys the recipes and tell you what work 944 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 3: what doesn't. My my criticism and stuff. It's it'd be cool. 945 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: You know, it'd be cool. But even for all of 946 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: all of him in my period, you know that's the 947 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 3: d c DC is that guy. But he makes so 948 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 3: much friends, everybody helps, everybody try to be talking. He 949 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: stood the second that ist amount of the planet, probably 950 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 3: the third now because you're here, like so yeah, for sure. 951 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: But I guess what I mean is like, listen, I'm 952 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: not from Hawaii. I certainly wouldn't never even come close 953 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: to understanding it the way you would write. I've been 954 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: one time, but that's it. But what I mean to 955 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: say is, you know Bjpan will obviously occupy a very 956 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: special place in the history of Hawaiian mma, and I 957 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: know you're probably not trying to learn I'm gonna knock 958 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: him off his perch. I know you're not doing that, 959 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: but I guess do you ever feel like, where do 960 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: you want to be placed when the story is written 961 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: about where you are in the history of Hawaiian man? 962 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care, I don't mind, you know, 963 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 3: I just want to be that guy to be like, 964 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,919 Speaker 3: especially from Hawaiians or anybody from from around the world 965 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 3: in a little town is just saying like if I 966 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 3: could do it, you know, why not you? Why if 967 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: someone like me could do it from a small town 968 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 3: on the West side, you know, and why not Hawaii? 969 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 3: Why not you? So I just want to be the inspiration, 970 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 3: you know, I don't You don't need to put nothing 971 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 3: around me, you know, I just want to know it, 972 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 3: be like, hey, I wanted somebody to be like, hey, 973 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 3: look he did it. Yeah that's so why not you? 974 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 3: You know, why why can't I do it? And that's 975 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 3: what I want to be too, not only Hawaii people, 976 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 3: but to all to all the small town kids that 977 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 3: thinks that they they don't belong or the world's too big, 978 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 3: or so on and so on. You know. I want 979 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: to be that inspiration and be like, look, he can 980 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 3: do it. I can do it. And you and not 981 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 3: only do it, you can do it better than me, 982 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 3: you know. And whatever you can do, you can do 983 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 3: it better. You can be greater and keep going. 984 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 2: You know. 985 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 3: I'm only I'm only setting these goals and records because 986 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: records are meant to be broken. Please break them, Please, 987 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 3: somebody break them, because I'll be cheering you on all 988 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 3: the way. 989 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: Almost done here. Have you ever thought about taking a 990 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: boxing fight? I know it's always very very difficult to 991 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: do and it's kind of weird and who the hell knows, 992 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: But dude, you know this, from the time you got 993 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: into the UFC to now, I've never seen the m 994 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: M A in boxing worlds merge. 995 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 2: More so much. 996 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one undred percent, one hundred percent. Man, I 997 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 3: would love to box somebody, you know what I mean, 998 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 3: anybody whoever? Oh my gosh, I'd be so much fun. 999 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 3: That'd be so much fun to fight them. You gotta 1000 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 3: fight with Tommy that Tommy Furry though, coming up right, 1001 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 3: So that should be an interesting. 1002 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: Right, But it's it's you ever thought about it like 1003 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: in a real way? 1004 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 3: Oh for sure. I mean I talk, I dog, I 1005 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 3: dog tom imagine all dime. I would love to figure 1006 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 3: out a way, you know, and get UC on board 1007 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 3: or something did and fight somebody for you for a 1008 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 3: lot crazy amount of money. And I would love to 1009 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 3: fight Floyd. I would love to fight any of the 1010 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 3: other top guys at the one hundred and forty seven 1011 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 3: or even you know who see who knows anow the 1012 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 3: YouTube star where once it can get it. You know, 1013 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 3: I'm the best box in the UFC, and they can 1014 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 3: figure that out the hard way. 1015 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: All right, So on the Saturday co main event, what's 1016 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: on the line. As far as I can tell, the 1017 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: belt is on the line. Obviously, the who won the 1018 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: trilogy to an extent, really is kind of online even 1019 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: if you win the one some people think obviously, and 1020 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: there's a case to be made previously. But that's what 1021 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: I think is on the line. It doesn't matter what 1022 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: I think. What matters is what you think. Would you 1023 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: think about what's on the line Saturday? 1024 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 3: What is it a legacy? It's just as simple as 1025 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: his legacy. You know, me and him, we're on the top, 1026 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 3: on the high in the Palm Upon ranking list. You know, 1027 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 3: I'm number he's the champ. I'm number one in our 1028 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 3: own rankings in the featherweight and fights like this don't happen, 1029 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 3: you know, in the last decade. I only can I 1030 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 3: don't know if you can remember. I only can remember one. 1031 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 3: You know that DC Jones one hundred percent. So to 1032 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 3: have this again and this is this is a huge fight, 1033 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 3: you know, the hardcore journalist, the hardcore fans, this is 1034 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 3: what they want and this is what they need. They 1035 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 3: they earned for this, you know, And I'm just excited. Man. 1036 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 3: There's a lot of legacy going there and then you know, 1037 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 3: hopefully everything goes good and I can continue on my 1038 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 3: legacy and you know, go after the Goat forty five 1039 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 3: and us and that's all though. You know, he got 1040 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 3: a bunch of records that stood haven't been broken, and 1041 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 3: until somebody breaks them, then they can be called called 1042 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 3: himself to go to forty five. 1043 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up because some people 1044 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: say this is for the Goat all the time of 1045 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: one forty five and he beat all though, and you 1046 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: beat all though. But but although the campaign he had 1047 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: at one forty five, I don't mean to diminish what 1048 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: your our Max has done, but it's it's remarkable. 1049 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's like I trip out whenever somebody 1050 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 3: say we're gonna fight who find out who is the 1051 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 3: best one hundred and forty five in the world. Ever, 1052 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,479 Speaker 3: I'm like, are you are we forgetting about Jose Aldo? 1053 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 3: Like this guy with seven title defensive in the UFC, 1054 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 3: how much the title defensive did he have in WC. Yeah, 1055 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 3: it's like this guy been undefeated for a certain amount 1056 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 3: of years, Like we're just gonna forget about it because okay, yeah, 1057 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 3: I finished him twice. But it's like it is what 1058 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 3: it is, you know, it's some person time. He Stood 1059 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 3: has stats, you know what I mean? Like he Stood 1060 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 3: has records that you still have to beat to beat 1061 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 3: the goat. He has seven title defenses. Go beat that, 1062 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 3: Go get eight and then't call yourself the goat, you 1063 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 3: know what I mean. But other than that, I'm not 1064 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 3: even close how much how much tile defense I had 1065 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 3: like three or something, right, so I gotta get like 1066 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,280 Speaker 3: four more or something, so we see what happens. 1067 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: It's the long list. We I'll tell you what, Max. 1068 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen on Saturday. I don't 1069 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: predict the future. You're already a Hall of Famer, uh 1070 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: And this is about as excited I've been for a 1071 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: fight in a long long time. They don't come around 1072 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: like this very often, do there pretty special. Thank you 1073 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: so much for your time. We appreciate it. I don't 1074 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: ever say good luck because I don't wish that, but 1075 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: I certainly hope that the best man wins. And I 1076 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: know you're prepared, and I can't wait to see what happens. 1077 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 3: Thank you, by no, thank you for your time. Right 1078 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 3: off the plane, straight test interview you the man. 1079 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you,