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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's your girl to Rica Fosster Brasby.

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Speaker 3: And I'm your girl, Cheryl Swoot.

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Speaker 4: What's up y'all?

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, And this is the Levels to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we share that there is

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Speaker 2: levels to the shit that women go through and we

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Speaker 2: have a fun show lined up for you today. But first, Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: what I do. You just celebrated a birthday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, when you get to a

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I won't even say that. I think I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: because that's what everybody else says. Like, I really truly

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Speaker 1: enjoy my birthday and it's not about having like a

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Speaker 1: big party, a big celebration, but it's about it's my

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Speaker 1: with him, with friends and family, and you.

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Speaker 3: Know, just just did what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: I had a.

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Speaker 1: Great spot day and I relaxed a little bit, ate

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Speaker 3: It was my fifty fourth birthday. Come on, fifty four,

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Speaker 3: let's go. Yeah. I love that.

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Speaker 4: I absolutely love that.

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Speaker 2: And I love the fact that as we get older,

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Speaker 2: like not old, but just older, how what makes us

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Speaker 2: happy on our birthday is so different and it's and

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Speaker 2: it's always been that way, you know, when you're when

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Speaker 2: you're four, your little party, your little cake.

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Speaker 4: Your little friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was you know, I always hated the one

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Speaker 2: thing that I've always hated about my birthday, in particular

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Speaker 4: Had a birthday in school.

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Speaker 2: Like all my little friends used to have a birthday

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Speaker 2: little you know, your birthday in March, you know, like

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Speaker 2: With my birthday being in the summer, that gets that

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Speaker 1: Birthday, Like, no, it's okay. So I got a question

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Speaker 1: for you then, So you know how people when it's

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Speaker 1: your birthday how they pen money on you.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, here's my question. I think I know the answer

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Speaker 1: because I see your face. Y'all can't see her face,

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Speaker 1: but I can. At what age are you too old

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's what your face was saying.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. I feel like I'm like, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's okay, But it's but it's it's specific to

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Speaker 2: But like usually if it's a birthday party, birthdays on Tuesday, right,

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Speaker 2: But if you're not just a birthday, but if you're

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Speaker 4: Then do you like, oh, okay, it's my birthday.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't just.

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Speaker 2: Walk around with money on me like I did it

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Speaker 1: You didn't just walk in the grocery store through the air.

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Speaker 2: However, I will put on like a it's my birthday shirt,

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Speaker 2: I'll be damned. You better tell me happy birthday around here.

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Speaker 2: And this year, this year, on my birthday, I have

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Speaker 2: So all expect all broadcasts for birthday shoutouts.

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Speaker 4: If I don't get birday shutouts, it's gonna be crazy.

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Speaker 3: See, Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I when I was younger, of course, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Do not pin a dollar.

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Speaker 4: Don't you disrespect me. Don't do that.

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Speaker 3: I know that's right.

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Speaker 2: What I'm gonna do with a dollar, I can't even buy.

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Speaker 2: I can't even buy two bags of chips with a dollar. Girl,

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Speaker 2: it's you too old, you and I'm fifty four. You

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Speaker 3: You said pennies?

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Speaker 4: She'd being funny, but she would definitely do it.

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Speaker 3: I like your ninety five year old grandma.

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Speaker 2: Fool, Okay, a fool, but anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed

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Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It was a great birthday celebration. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely well. We have a great show lined

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Speaker 1: up today. I'm super excited about our guests. I love

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Speaker 3: She's just been a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of everything. I met her back when we

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Speaker 2: podcast Be Honest, so love me some. I'm a carry

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Speaker 2: champion and why wait, let's just get on.

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Speaker 4: Right into it.

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Speaker 3: So just giving you a heads up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Cheryl, we have such a fun guest on

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Speaker 2: like she does so many things right. Contributor to CNN,

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Speaker 2: journalism space. But I think the most important title that

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Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand because I have another title for

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 3: You see?

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Speaker 4: My title?

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Speaker 6: That?

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Speaker 2: It rich reminds me I was supposed to change change.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she is. She is that beyond.

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Speaker 2: Period Carrie Champion, I love care Champion.

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Speaker 6: All of that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: Can I change my title?

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Speaker 3: Give her her love.

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Speaker 4: She deserves it.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because she's wearing that U c l

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Speaker 1: me some juju, I love me some Lauren Beds.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, let me get this out the way I might

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Speaker 6: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Don't do this, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it short and sweet because I don't

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Speaker 3: It's a good day for me. But carry champion.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you. I love you. Like if I'm hugging

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Speaker 3: We know the hugs I feel, the hugs I.

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Speaker 6: Love you, and the respect the love is mutual for you,

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Speaker 6: Cheryl as well to you already know how I feel

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Speaker 4: Like I'm going to ask you how are you?

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Speaker 2: And like and I mean that like, how are you

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Speaker 6: They did a bus boycott for a year and change.

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Speaker 2: We got first world problem, real first world problem, first

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Speaker 6: People talking about should I go move to Portugal. You're like,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Do I have a voice that I'm going to use

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I love you for saying that, because we need

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Speaker 6: But but I also am fighting a different fight than

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Speaker 6: make real bad decisions when I'm super emotional. I really Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 6: I'll know me too. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My husband tells me all the time. He's like, Babe,

445
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Speaker 1: do not make an emotional decision. But I do that

446
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Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, And I think it's gotten worse

447
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Speaker 1: post election. Right, And to your point, Carrie, like, there's

448
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: so many times I'm just like, I gotta do something right.

449
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Speaker 1: So I try to use my voice when I can.

450
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. I feel very good

451
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Speaker 1: when I hear people talk about Target stock is down

452
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Speaker 1: and how they've lost billions, because I say, good, me

453
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Speaker 1: not going to Target is making a difference.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much, but when we.

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Speaker 1: All get together as a collective and say here is

456
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Speaker 1: what we're going to do, and we are on the

457
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Speaker 1: same page, it makes a difference. Because I was that

458
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Target every single day just because I

459
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Speaker 1: need me some fresh white sheets. I don't know, just

460
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Speaker 1: let's just go to Target. And I'm gonna walk through

461
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Speaker 1: the aisles and shot same.

462
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Speaker 6: You just want to spend twenty dollars, You're like, if

463
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Speaker 6: they check out five hundred and twenty two dollars.

464
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Speaker 3: As why put it back, put it back, put it back.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but

466
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Speaker 2: I just feel like I might be the one person

467
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Speaker 2: in the world who never shopped at Target anyway because

468
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Speaker 2: it is so exped I don't care how much money

469
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Speaker 2: I make. I don't never want to spend none for real.

470
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Speaker 3: Like like, I know that is good for you.

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Speaker 6: For you to say you don't need money. We are

472
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Speaker 6: a spending generation. I don't know about y'all. I'll take

473
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Speaker 6: one to two. I'll take two of that and three

474
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Speaker 6: of those. Boo real.

475
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Speaker 4: I spend it on the stupidest stuff.

476
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Like machine order is crazy my Amazon and Amazon for sure.

478
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Speaker 2: I definitely Machine car is just out of control.

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Speaker 6: Like terror gonna get you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you're gonna stop that in a minute.

481
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Speaker 2: That's gonna get me. I drink Remy Martine, and that's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna get any money.

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Speaker 2: I said, listen, y'all can put tariffs on whatever y'all want.

484
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Speaker 2: But y'all better leave France alone.

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Speaker 6: Listen, don't play with mama's wine, because that's what we

486
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Speaker 6: really move about the country. I'm out of here because

487
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Speaker 6: I need my wine.

488
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Speaker 4: That's how I survive. That is how we survived.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I think it's more so not

490
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Speaker 2: just the fact that you have to can because I

491
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Speaker 2: I would never be able to CANTRY. I have a

492
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Speaker 2: degree in political science, and I was like, I could

493
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Speaker 2: never work on CNN. I was so fired so fast,

494
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Speaker 2: it was so bad. They will don let me real quick,

495
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Speaker 2: get up out of here.

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Speaker 4: Sis, you can't be back.

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Speaker 6: You don is out of them. Don said, I've been

498
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Speaker 6: I've been right for so so so long. He's like zero.

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Speaker 3: Zero, no, no, f's given.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, carry every single day there's something something

501
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Speaker 1: that that man in the White House, Because I to

502
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Speaker 1: there's something he does every single day every day.

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Speaker 3: It's something so to me.

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Speaker 1: Two things that recently happened that I was just like,

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Speaker 1: are we really doing this? And how and how can

506
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Speaker 1: other people besides black and brown people? Right, you sign

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Speaker 1: an executive order to cancel the Department of Education, and

508
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Speaker 1: you are removing Jackie Robinson, Medgar Evers you're removing people

509
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Speaker 1: from our history that had a lot to do with

510
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Speaker 1: making America great, right, And I'm not saying make it

511
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Speaker 1: great again because it was never great for us.

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Speaker 2: It was never great the first time. Now, So how

513
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Speaker 2: is it that?

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Speaker 1: And I don't care what side of the aisle you

515
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Speaker 1: sit on, right, but how is it that those people

516
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Speaker 1: can be okay with with a lot of the stuff

517
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Speaker 1: he's done, but in particular like Department of Education and

518
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Speaker 1: basically saying, Jackie Robinson, you didn't because you were a

519
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Speaker 1: black man.

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Speaker 4: What you did for this country doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: You know what. So thank you for asking that question.

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Speaker 6: This is the UCLA show I'm wearing as a Jackie

523
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Speaker 6: Robinson edition. By the way, lescal to your first question

524
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Speaker 6: about the Department of Education dismantling the Department of Education,

525
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Speaker 6: they will always lean the conservative side, will always lean

526
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Speaker 6: on economy. They will tell you this is all about

527
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Speaker 6: the economy. They will tell you this is about overspending.

528
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Speaker 6: And they're saying the reason why they're trying to dismantle

529
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Speaker 6: because you can't fully dismantle it. It takes an Act

530
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Speaker 6: of Congress to do it. But when you're start shutting

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Speaker 6: down certain positions, and departments. He says that he will say.

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Speaker 6: He says that is because he wants to give it

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Speaker 6: to the states. Give the education back to the states.

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Speaker 6: They should be in charge of the education, each individual

535
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Speaker 6: state Connecticut for you, Texas for you, California for me,

536
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Speaker 6: and New York whatever they want, the state to be

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Speaker 6: in charge. The Department of Education made sure that. And

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Speaker 6: you know how schools get funded, right, yes, based on

539
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Speaker 6: the neighborhood that they live in. And so the Department

540
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Speaker 6: of Education made sure that some of these underfunded schools

541
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Speaker 6: were allowed to get money and resources they normally wouldn't have.

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Speaker 6: And the first thing that I think a dictator does

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Speaker 6: is remove education so that people are not smart enough

544
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Speaker 6: to understand being duped and treated differently, and they don't

545
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Speaker 6: know any better, and the law of the land is created.

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Speaker 6: If you look at dictatorships all across the world over

547
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Speaker 6: the years, this is exactly what they do. It's a playbook.

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Speaker 6: And he's going down a playbook from dictators of past

549
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Speaker 6: and present and seeing what worked and what didn't work.

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Speaker 6: And that's why all of these things are just really

551
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Speaker 6: really distractions. Until he has the full control of what

552
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Speaker 6: he wants, everything else is a distraction. Elon Musk provides

553
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Speaker 6: cover for him. So we think we're mad at must,

554
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 6: but we're really mad at him. It's a mutually beneficial

555
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 6: relationship for both of them. And I think that we

556
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Speaker 6: are watching in real time. We never thought it could

557
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Speaker 6: happen in America. But why not. Every other country has

558
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 6: had a dictatorship, every other government has fallen. Why would

559
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Speaker 6: an Americans government fall?

560
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Speaker 3: Absolutely every great nation has fallen.

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Speaker 6: Every great nation has fallen, And people think that we're

562
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Speaker 6: being alarmists, But I, you know, and I just I

563
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Speaker 6: don't want to keep referencing this that TV show, But

564
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Speaker 6: I remember there was this one scene and animates tell

565
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Speaker 6: and she said, while she's walking in her red She's

566
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Speaker 6: all like, we all were asleep while he ignored the constitution.

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Speaker 6: We were asleep while reported people by the thousands, hundreds

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Speaker 6: of thousands. We were asleep while unmarked plane closed officers,

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Speaker 6: ice officers walked up to a guy while he's having

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Speaker 6: dinner with his wife and arrested him and put him

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Speaker 6: in a plane vehicle. We were all asleep. What part

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Speaker 6: of that is constitutional? How are you coming? I wish

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Speaker 6: do you know how dangerous that is? Walking up to

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Speaker 6: someth and saying we're putting you under arrest, not knowing

575
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Speaker 6: who that person is. This can't end well, you get

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Speaker 6: the ripe one who has the time. It's going to

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Speaker 6: be violent, yes, And he's pushing and pushing more chaos

578
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Speaker 6: because if you push more chaos, you'll be want something

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Speaker 6: to provide order, and he wants to be the order

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Speaker 6: of the chaos that he's already created.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But what's even worse is that as you look at

584
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Speaker 2: things being unconstitutional, you have an even more saddening feeling

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Speaker 2: that the folks who are put in place to protect

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Speaker 2: the integrity of a constitution are those who are also

587
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Speaker 2: making the decision that these things are are not unconstitutional.

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Speaker 2: So we don't even have the checks and balances across

589
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Speaker 2: all three of our government to protect us. We don't

590
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Speaker 2: have enough people in Congress who are fighting, and those

591
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Speaker 2: who are are limited to some degree. We don't have

592
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Speaker 2: enough Supreme Court justices because the Supreme Court has been

593
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Speaker 2: stacked on the right. So it is like, are we

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Speaker 2: we just were not.

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Speaker 6: Just people saying I'm moving because she's like, if I

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Speaker 6: don't have anybody in Congress fighting for me, or if

597
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Speaker 6: he's like, I don't have anybody in the Senate fighting

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Speaker 6: for me. Great movement, and I think you it historically

599
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 6: has been from the people. It's gonna come from the people,

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Speaker 6: and from.

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Speaker 3: It has to, It has to, and it can come.

602
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Speaker 2: It can actually come more quickly than people recognize if

603
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Speaker 2: they understand the power that they have. Because in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five and twenty twenty six and parts of twenty

605
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, there are congressional elections that are happening across

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Speaker 2: the United States. You do not have to keep them

607
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Speaker 2: same ignorant individuals into your political offices. If people put

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Speaker 2: the entire amount of time and effort and dedication that

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Speaker 2: they put into the presidential election into removing senators and

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Speaker 2: representatives who do not align with your benefits.

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Speaker 4: This is why this isn't why.

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Speaker 2: Half of the political arguments I get in on social

613
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Speaker 2: media is about shit like this. It's like, y'all spit

614
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: two and a half months argued about why y'all hate Kamala.

615
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Speaker 4: That's what y'all did.

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Speaker 2: Y'all talked about why y'all can't stand her black ass,

617
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, can you put that

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Speaker 2: same energy into District thirty six to the person that's

619
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Speaker 2: been sitting on Capitol Hill for forty five years. Absolutely

620
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Speaker 2: nothing to all the things you think that Kamala was

621
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Speaker 2: supposed to say for you. Yeah, that's that's what I'm

622
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: talking about. So we don't have to suffer for a

623
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Speaker 2: lot of this congressional shit for much longer. If people

624
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Speaker 2: wise it up and utilize the voice and the power

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Speaker 2: that they have.

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Speaker 6: I hope they do. I hope they do. So I

627
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Speaker 6: think that I think that what you're saying is right.

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Speaker 6: You see, you see these town hall meetings all across

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Speaker 6: the country, and people are angry that you get get

630
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Speaker 6: veteran angry, and they're yelling. People don't have anything. They

631
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Speaker 6: are mad, and they're letting their representatives know. Now, the

632
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Speaker 6: hope is that we see something during the midterms, because

633
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Speaker 6: the midterms will be here and that's going to be

634
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Speaker 6: a strong indication of how this country feels. Yeah, if

635
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Speaker 6: they start kicking people out and you're starting to see

636
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Speaker 6: new people and they flip the house and they flip

637
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Speaker 6: this in it, we we're good. I don't know what happened,

638
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Speaker 6: but here's my here's here's what I do know. I

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Speaker 6: need everybody, no matter who you are, whether you think

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Speaker 6: this is relevant or not. You talked about your ninety

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Speaker 6: five year o grandmother. My ninety five year grandmother sadly

642
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Speaker 6: voted for trum. But I'll tell you why she voted

643
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Speaker 6: for Trump. She's old enough to think that women should

644
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 6: not be in these types of positions, which is so ironic.

645
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Speaker 3: So wow, that was her.

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Speaker 6: That was her philosophy, old school, so old school women preachers.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a woman and segregated, segregated South and

648
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Speaker 6: and her thought processes, I'd rather us be separate but

649
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Speaker 6: equal like. And I'm like, grandmother's no such thing.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing now, but.

651
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Speaker 6: It was better when we was. I was like, it

652
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 6: doesn't work that way. So she life pass her by

653
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 6: really quickly. And here she's ninety five years old, and

654
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 6: she realizes that a lot of people have buy a

655
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Speaker 6: remorse with Trump. And she pulled me aside the other day,

656
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Speaker 6: it's two weeks ago. I was at home. She goes,

657
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Speaker 6: I made a mistake. But I'm going to tell you this,

658
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Speaker 6: save your money. Because the more and more I pay

659
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Speaker 6: attention to what's going on, we are in a world

660
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 6: of trouble. This woman is ninety five years old. Were

661
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 6: to say that sit she holds down my spoe, yes,

662
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 6: and she was like, I made a mistake and I

663
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 6: want you to save your money. That's her answer. Her

664
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 6: answer to all of this was saving savory. You're your

665
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: house because it's about to be some lean times.

666
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: As much as we're like I'm not going to support

668
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: right certain things, we still have to be very realistic

669
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: in that as well, you know what I mean.

670
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: So I did.

671
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: Tune in right to the inauguration, and besides seeing all

672
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: of these billionaires, what got me was so I used

673
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: to be used to be a Carrie Underwood fan. I

674
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: love Carrie's music. I loved her on American Idol, all

675
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: the things. I would listen to her music. What got

676
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: me was when I saw how she disrespected Kamala Harris

677
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: and basically didn't want to shake her hand.

678
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 6: And I was like, really, I think that is so disgusting, And.

679
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: So I kid you not not that not that it's

680
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: going to affect her pocket at all. She don't know me,

681
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: But I went in my phone and I deleted all

682
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: of my carry on.

683
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 6: By the way, I'm glad.

684
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: To UH made it made me feel good.

685
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: I want to get to your level of pettiness well,

686
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: and I gotta love you on my own.

687
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 6: I'm sure you hit on something that bothers me more

688
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 6: than anything. There is just no class. They are so

689
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 6: happy in the wind, those who supported Trump, and they

690
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 6: don't know how to be a gracious winner while they

691
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 6: say we're poor losers. And it's like, you don't have

692
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: to disrespect common you don't. You can what but one?

693
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 6: But I also want the people on the left, like

694
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 6: in terms of the Congress, I want you to to

695
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 6: be on that same energy. You can't be not you

696
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 6: can't play a nice heart. Shall said, when they go low,

697
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 6: we go lower. She don't change her.

698
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: We've been doing that.

699
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: You're just not figuring that a way for you.

700
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: You just figured it out.

701
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 6: Shall we be doing that. We've been doing that since

702
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 6: we appreciate it.

703
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been on that energy. We've been on that energy.

704
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 6: She would tell us to go high.

705
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: We were like, as it sounds.

706
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 4: Really cute, which is but I was like, I'm taking

707
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: it the hell.

708
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 6: You I'm going to where I'm going to the al.

709
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: Okay, wish, but nah, not doing that.

710
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: I love, I love to wear an agreement. I I

711
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 6: know that you probably didn't want to talk all politics.

712
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 6: I was happy just to do the show because, first

713
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: of all, you know, I love you both, but I

714
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 6: wanted to talk. I want I want a job to

715
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 6: tell me all about March madness and was my team

716
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 6: gonna win it all?

717
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: Oh, you about to be mad at me?

718
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: Here?

719
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: She about to be mad at us.

720
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 6: I knew. I knew y'all was gonna say that. I

721
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 6: knew y'all was gonna say that.

722
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 4: But you know, but you know what.

723
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

724
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing is that I actually love this for

725
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: U C l A. Like I I love the fact

726
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: that they are I am very high on them getting

727
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: to the final four. I feel like they have a

728
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: favorable region. They should dominate that region. Well, let me

729
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: take that back. They should dominate the first couple of rounds.

730
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: I think if they get a chance to play like

731
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: Old Miss, they'll be challenging. If they have to play

732
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: like LSU or something like that, like, they'll be challenged,

733
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: But for the first couple of rounds they should dominate easily.

734
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: Right.

735
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: The problem with UCLA is that I think they forget

736
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: that they have more experience than they.

737
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: Think they do.

738
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: We say like, oh, they haven't been here before, but

739
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: like y'all been playing together for three and a half

740
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: years at this point, Lauren Betts is six foot seven.

741
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody got nothing, no kind of smoke for her whatsoever.

742
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: And Corey Close has been one of the best coaches

743
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 2: in women's basketball for I don't know how long y'all

744
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: have got it, but execute own it, and I am

745
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: doubtful about their execution. When you get mopped by USC twice,

746
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: you ain't supposed.

747
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 6: To let the mop build twice. And if it goes right,

748
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 6: they'll meet them again. Right, So it's like, do you

749
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 6: play each other a fourth time? If it goes if

750
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 6: if if everything alignes according to the brackets, they play

751
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 6: each other a fourth time? Are they tired? Do they remember?

752
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 6: As you will ce rejuvenile? You know, jud you ain't

753
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 6: no joke, no joke. I was there for the second

754
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 6: game at U C l A and she and we

755
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: was we was getting They handed it to us like

756
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 6: it was embarrassing. I was with your girl, jam she

757
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 6: was she was acting up. She was talking to us.

758
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 6: I said, well, did they get you courtside? Because if

759
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 6: you like my husband's and tickets, I said, and I

760
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 6: know they won't. I'm gonna need you to I need

761
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 6: to d right on my dime.

762
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: Everybody was.

763
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 6: Like you so tense. I was like, have you seen

764
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 6: yourself with Michigan State.

765
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: We got a game, we got a game, we got

766
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: a game today.

767
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: I need it's serious. So she understood where I was

768
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: coming from. To your point, Tarika, you know what I

769
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 6: think is interesting about my team. They need to be

770
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: more hood. We need some more goons that we need facts.

771
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: I was sitting in front of a lady. She was like,

772
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: you CLA wins with class. And I was like, well,

773
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 6: that's not going There's a big owner, her husband, UCLA

774
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 6: spends a lot of money. They got money, money, money,

775
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 6: She's a big, big booster. And she was like, but

776
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 6: she was telling because her daughter was sitting next to me,

777
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 6: and her daughter was going in and we was all pumped,

778
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 6: and she was like, honey, we win with class. I

779
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 6: was like, that's not going to get us there, babe.

780
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 6: I was like.

781
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: With all now, you're right, because here's my thing. When

782
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: I when I look at it the other side of

783
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: LA and I know, okay, the hood side, but.

784
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: I know I know there's a lot of stuff that

785
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: has to happen.

786
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: But my thing is when when I look at USC

787
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: and U s LA one hundred percent, Juju is that girl.

788
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: She is her. But overall U c l.

789
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: A has a better team to me overall, Right, But

790
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: to Tea's point, I think U c l A needs

791
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: to like understand that and know that and be like, Okay,

792
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: y'all got Juju, and we gonna respect Juju, but we

793
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: got way more than Juju. And that's how they got

794
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: to play. And again to Tea's point, listen, Lauren Betts,

795
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: you gotta get your ass on the block. I love

796
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: me some Lauren Betts, but I need Lauren Bett to

797
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: get on the ass on the block. I need you

798
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to command the basketball, and when you get it, I

799
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: need you to be strong. We didn't go to work

800
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: because when she decides, when she decides.

801
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: That she is going to score, she can't.

802
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: And if they go send a double and triple team,

803
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: she also is a I think, a really good passer

804
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: out of a double team or triple team. But she's

805
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: got to be stronger with the basketball. I was so

806
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: happy she said she was going to go back another

807
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: year because I think she needs that year to come

808
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: into the W and be really good when she enters

809
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: the draft.

810
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

811
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 6: I don't know who she's working with, but I need

812
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 6: her to work with in terms of, you know, a profession.

813
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 5: You know.

814
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm sure you can't because you're you're loyalty, but

815
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: I need somebody to get in there and get.

816
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: What did you say, she said your loyalty said.

817
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 6: Yes, you like USC and Juju, I don't know.

818
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: No, no, Just to be clear, neither of these teams

819
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: are my team. Okay, so that ain't not my loyalty. Okay,

820
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk about loyalty, and I don't know

821
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: if that's the word i'd use, but I would say this.

822
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: I ride with South Carolina and Don Staley all day

823
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: that that Yeah.

824
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: That's what That's what.

825
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 6: We do.

826
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: That is what makes it hard being a fan and

827
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: an analyst when it comes to college, because you you

828
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: have to roll with your with your squad. I graduated

829
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: from an HBCU, I did a few semesters at Michigan

830
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: State University, and I grew up a Michigan State fans.

831
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: So as it relates to D one, I'm spartan all

832
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: day long. Right, But I tried to tone that down

833
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: for women's basketball, just because it's like, hey, you want

834
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: to be professional, you want to be fair.

835
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

836
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 4: So I try.

837
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm not always successful, but I try. Men's basketball. Leave

838
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 2: me alone today when we play. Don't call me, don't

839
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: text me. I'm talking. I was talking about Michigan last night.

840
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: I thought they was spinn Leans.

841
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: I got so excited.

842
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Y'all myop bracket up. If that means Michigan is going home,

843
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: they got to go. Hater won one hundred percent one

844
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.

845
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: Don't know.

846
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: Bas and Blue get no love around here. So that

847
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: is what it is.

848
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: But so hard not to cheer for South Carolina.

849
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: It's so hard not to cheer for Dawn Staley, Like

850
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: is the level of excellence that.

851
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: She continues to just she has completely shifted the standard

852
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: to me of what women's basketball is and where it

853
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: should be. I think I would love to owe the

854
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: parody that we have in women's college basketball. Now to

855
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: the beginnings of how she started to turn around not

856
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: one program, but two, because she didn't just do it

857
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: at South Carolina, she turned around simple too.

858
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, it's just it's

859
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: so fun.

860
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I love the fact that I look at this tournament

861
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: and I can't fill out a bracket anymore and say, well,

862
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: we know the first two rounds is gonna be Na.

863
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: We see upsets, Yeah, you see people go like, we

864
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: see players go off, like the madness is real. And

865
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: what I love more than anything about where we are

866
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: now with women's basketball is just the way that people

867
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to make a name for themselves.

868
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: Now.

869
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: I can never forget Jackie Young in twenty nineteen. She

870
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: was not the projected number one overall. She was until

871
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be Sabrina Mescu that year, right,

872
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: and then the tournament came and Notre Dame showed out

873
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: in that tournament and then they made it all the

874
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: way to the finals against Baylor, And granted Baylor got

875
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: the w that year, but at the end of the day, it.

876
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: Was like, yeah, and Worship been off season.

877
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: She WASNA, you're too late to get all his money,

878
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 6: but yeah, you know what I mean, like late to

879
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 6: get and I love it. It was building. All of

880
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 6: it was building the building blocks. You're absolutely right, I

881
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 6: think don I even and coach and I I will

882
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 6: be very honest of Corey and I talk all the time.

883
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 6: I fly out for UCLA. I do things for them

884
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 6: all the time. That's my g She can call me

885
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 6: up and I'll do anything for her.

886
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: Love it.

887
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 6: But as UCLA was making this run, I remember her

888
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 6: asking if I wanted to go to the game in

889
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 6: South Carolina, and I was like, oh, I'm want to

890
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 6: miss that one. I have to miss that one because

891
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 6: I don't want you to be mad at me when

892
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 6: I get excited to don Yeah. To your point, it's

893
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 6: being a black woman before going to.

894
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all it is.

895
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 6: I was like, she's smart enough to understand that. Like,

896
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 6: but I'm still rooting for you, Like I still want

897
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 6: you all to win. But you understand I feel such

898
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 6: such a and loyalty in history and why I'm like,

899
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 6: go ahead, you get all this to make all the demands.

900
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 6: How you be in zone, be unapologetic, be a fighter.

901
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 6: They know two things. My team's not going there because

902
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 6: if their race is.

903
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: My yes, that's what for me.

904
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: But besides, I played with don you know in the

905
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: w played with their the Olympics, like all of those things.

906
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's my girl. But here's what I really

907
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: here's what I really pull hard for Don is because

908
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: she's one of us, and people are always sitting waiting

909
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: for her as a black woman to fail, but they

910
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: don't want to sit there and cheer her on and

911
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: her successes. And you know, for so long we have

912
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: been told as as a black woman and looked at

913
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: as a black woman leading in NC double a Division one.

914
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: Team, you can't do it.

915
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: You as a black woman can't win a championship, You

916
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: can't recruit, you can't get the all of those things.

917
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: And Don Staley, she she don't say nothing. She like,

918
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: just watch me, Just watch me. I'm gonna do all

919
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: the things that you say I can't. I'm gonna turn

920
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: this shit around. Yeah, and I'm gonna get what I deserve.

921
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Like I sit back and I watch all these things,

922
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: like I text on it ain't got none to do

923
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: with basketball. But I'll just say thank you, right, just

924
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: thank you. She she gets.

925
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: It, she sees it.

926
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: She's a great mentor for these young ladies, and it's

927
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to not not pull for her,

928
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: right Yeah. And I'm always when people come for her,

929
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: they come for her players. I'm gonna be the first

930
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: one to be like, oh no, we're not gonna do that.

931
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: We not gonna do it.

932
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: You not gonna come for Dawn Staley, Like that's just

933
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: a body. And I think folks often forget that it

934
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: wasn't in those same comments that you're that you're saying

935
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: they said about her, which they did. They now turn

936
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: all of that around to make it a negative. They

937
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: now turned all that around and say, well, of course

938
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: she wins all.

939
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: These all Americans, for all these all Americans.

940
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: It's like, but you said I couldn't crew all Americans,

941
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: And they said, well, of course she has all these

942
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: great facilities because they.

943
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Paid her all this money. But y'all don't know.

944
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: Don Staley put her own money into this program early on,

945
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: before it got to where it was. It's like everything

946
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: that y'all are saying was a negative that have now

947
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: become a positive. Now we're gonna figure out how to

948
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: make that thing a netive. It's just a cycle that

949
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: will never end. And as we talk about Michelle Obama

950
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: telling us when they go low that we go lower

951
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: doing maybe one of the few people who still goes high. Yeah,

952
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: And it's another reason why we continue to respect her.

953
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: And everything that she's doing.

954
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: But I will say this, if there's one team that's

955
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: gonna really try to come for her neck this year.

956
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: It ain't USC and it ain't even UCLA.

957
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: It's u Con.

958
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: You come mad, I know, I know you come mad

959
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: out here, y'all.

960
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: You constant.

961
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: The last time we got to the National championship, it

962
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: was South Carolina. Last time we took a real l

963
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: that we ain't really like, it was South Carolina. They

964
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: ain't feel less out in their mind. I'm not saying

965
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: this is legit. I'm just saying in their mind, they

966
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: feeling like this is Page's last run. Busy Fudd is back,

967
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: Sarah Strong out here looking like one of the best

968
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: freshmens this season.

969
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: They like.

970
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: Listen, y'all can say all y'all want about South care

971
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: y'all can talk about the Big East being easy and

972
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: US coasted and all of that stuff.

973
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 4: But I tell you what, they popped South.

974
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: Carolina and did and did. I was mad about it too.

975
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: And y'all know I live in Connecticut too, and I'll

976
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: be like, oh God, they got a whole barade down town.

977
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 4: They acting up, you kind of coming.

978
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 6: They mean it. No, you're right, that's what you know.

979
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 6: I thought about that, and they want to prove they

980
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 6: have a lot to prove. You know what I think

981
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 6: is interesting. I'm really curious about how you feel people

982
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 6: are are receiving women's basketball. It's not that same fever

983
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 6: pitch when it was Caitlin and Angel Reese and just

984
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 6: feel that exciting. Do you think women's basketball needs that

985
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 6: rivalry to get that get more? I mean they're still

986
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 6: spending the money, people are still but like the excitement

987
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 6: of where the man down the street who never watched

988
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 6: women basketball is talking about it, you know what I mean?

989
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 6: You know how when you guys stop by. I don't

990
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 6: feel that this time. But Maani had an interesting take,

991
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 6: and I don't always listen to men talk women's sports,

992
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 6: but he said, no matter what you think, and I

993
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: put this in my rivalry doc that Tarika was in.

994
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 6: The rivalry is such a good thing, and they're missing

995
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 6: out on the rivalry that could be between Yukon and

996
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 6: SC at South Carolina and I think that or I

997
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 6: feel like it could be USC maybe. And you talk

998
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 6: about Juju taking on page like, I wonder if that

999
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 6: storyline needs to be played up more, even though it's

1000
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 6: not a storyline so that there's more interest. Do you

1001
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 6: see what I'm saying? Angel Reese really provided her being

1002
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 6: quote unquote in theory, the villain really gave them what

1003
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 6: they needed to mean, Kaitln was great, but we needed

1004
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 6: something else. We need it, We needed to be up here.

1005
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: So what I would say to that is, I think

1006
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: that the best rivalries are the ones that continue to

1007
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: exist even when you don't have to force it. Because

1008
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: that Caitlin Clark and Angel Rhees's rivalry, it still exists.

1009
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: It's just in the w now as it relates to

1010
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: women's college basketball. One thing that I've always noticed and

1011
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: then Sheryl, you can I mean you played on the

1012
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: college level. I knew I was done after high school.

1013
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: College was not going to be for me. So I

1014
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: don't have this experience, but it feels like what I

1015
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: love about college rivalries is that no matter who plays there,

1016
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: no matter how long, like UCLA is always gonna hate USC.

1017
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: It don't matter if Reggie's there, it don't matter, If

1018
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: Lisa is there, it don't matter, if it don't matter

1019
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: if Cheryl Miller's there. USC and UCLA are Michigan and

1020
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: Michigan State will always hate each other.

1021
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: It don't matter.

1022
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: I don't care who played there. I don't even need

1023
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: to know the players. If you were amazing Blue, I

1024
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: don't fuck with you. And now I feel like at

1025
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: one point in time that was Yukon and Tennessee. It

1026
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: was like it didn't matter where it was, what was

1027
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: going on, like the it didn't have to have a

1028
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: player name attachment. So I say all that to say

1029
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: that I feel like organic school rivalries are building and

1030
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: half built. I think that South Carolina and Yukon, especially

1031
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: if they if they reach you know again, this year,

1032
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: could definitely be that kind of rivalry. USC continuing to

1033
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: stay and if you and if Lauren Betts comes back

1034
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: next year she's alluded to that continue that crosstown rivalry

1035
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: is something that continues to grow. I don't think rivalries

1036
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: are sustainable when it is.

1037
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 4: Just based upon people.

1038
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: They need to school, they need to be based on

1039
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: We need to make these two schools, these teams face

1040
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: each other so much and so good to where they

1041
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: start to feel away about it because people come and go.

1042
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: We see that in the men's game. In the men's game,

1043
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: Duke and North Carolina gonna forever be right, it don't

1044
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: matter we're playing there. It's forever, it's gonna it's gonna

1045
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: let it's gonna be primetime every single time. That Championships

1046
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: Classic is always gonna be Kansas can touch Michigan.

1047
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: State and Duke.

1048
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna never change because those schools are always

1049
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: and it's always gonna bring eyes and attention. The women's

1050
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: game have yet to have that one, not since Yukon

1051
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. I agree, they have not had that one

1052
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: school where you just like, I don't care who planned

1053
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: if these two teams matching up, it might be naw.

1054
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you on that.

1055
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: I have a different perspective as well when you talk

1056
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: about rivalries, like I didn't think Angel and Caitlyn.

1057
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: Was a rivalry per se.

1058
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I thought this was you have this really really,

1059
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: really really good white player and you have this really

1060
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: really really really good black player. And because of that,

1061
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: I think people were like, well, I gotta pick one

1062
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: or the other. I gotta rock with Caitland or I

1063
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: gotta rock with Angel, Because to me, a lot of

1064
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: the stuff that people talked about it didn't really have

1065
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: anything to do with with the two of them play

1066
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: basketball because they didn't wart each other like Caitlyn is

1067
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: in her own world. Caitlyn plays a certain way, she

1068
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: plays a certain position, she does the thing she does,

1069
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: and Angel does the thing she does right, So like

1070
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: both of these players can be really good. I think

1071
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: people try to make it a rivalry because that was

1072
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: exciting for the game.

1073
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: I will say this, I loved it.

1074
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: Whether you considered it a rivalry or not, I loved

1075
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: it because people were talking about the women's game. Yep,

1076
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: they were talking about Angel, they were talking about Kaitlyn,

1077
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: but you ended up talking about the WNBA.

1078
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: You ended up talking about the game.

1079
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when people think about

1080
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: women's basketball, women's sports in general, but in particular women's basketball,

1081
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: they want us to all be like Kumbaya. Oh they

1082
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: all like each other, they're oh they're all best friends.

1083
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 6: Oh they don't.

1084
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: Curse, they don't swear, they don't play hard, they don't

1085
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: foul bullshit, Like we've always play that way.

1086
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm okay if you don't like

1087
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: me when we even if you do like me when

1088
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: we step on that court, I'm coming for your head

1089
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: every single time.

1090
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: And when the game's al say if we you know,

1091
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: we friends. When the game's over, we're cool.

1092
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: We can go have drinks, we can go talk, we

1093
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: can go talk about how I just gave you forty

1094
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: and how you thought you was going to hold me.

1095
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: The twenty five.

1096
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: But so tonight, I do think it's really, really, really

1097
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: good for the game.

1098
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: But I also think we're at a place right now.

1099
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Whether that's because of Caitlin Angel, the whole rookie class

1100
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: last year, but also the Asia Wilson's.

1101
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: The Diana Tunosses.

1102
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: Right, I think we're at a place right now though,

1103
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: where women's basketball is in.

1104
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: A really good place. People are talking about it.

1105
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: I have people talking to me about it that didn't

1106
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: even know the WNBA existed until this season. Right, And

1107
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: I'll end on this because I said this is yesterday.

1108
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: I know there's a new CBA coming up. I know

1109
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: the players are like, listen, we want X, Y and Z. Rightfully,

1110
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: So this is just my two cents. But I will

1111
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: say this, if you don't get all those things that

1112
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: you're asking for now, probably ain't the best time for

1113
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: a lockout.

1114
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: Why would you say that because of.

1115
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: Where the game is right now?

1116
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: I just I don't think we're at a place where

1117
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: we want to go down that roll.

1118
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: If you lose that momentum, it's no guarantee that you

1119
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: will peel up right back up.

1120
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 6: Wow, what a tough space to be in because I

1121
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 6: know players want to get more things, and you got

1122
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 6: a generation of players and only a handful, but they're

1123
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: used to getting what they want. You talking to the

1124
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 6: likes of an Angel and a Caitlin and all these

1125
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 6: other players that came in, they're used to fighting for

1126
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 6: what they are well.

1127
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: As they should.

1128
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, right, they should, And I do

1129
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: think it's because of the Angels and the Caitlin's that

1130
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: they probably will get a lot of the things they're

1131
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: asking for.

1132
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 4: But here's the other thing I'll say, you also only have.

1133
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Probably a handful of players that can afford to not

1134
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: play to do that.

1135
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, the opportunities are there.

1136
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: When I look at you know what, dear Mark, I

1137
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: saw a Flage Experience commercial, I'm like, what the hell like?

1138
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: It's great?

1139
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Where everything that I'm seeing that they're doing, that's happening

1140
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: that these women deserve. This is where we always wanted

1141
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: to see the league, right, all these opportunities that they're getting,

1142
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: but you also have to be strategic.

1143
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: In what your plan is going to be.

1144
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Right, you go to the table and you say we

1145
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: want X, Y and Z, and if they come back

1146
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we'll give you X and Z.

1147
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: But why don't know so way your options? Is it

1148
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: really worth you all saying we're we're not gonna play

1149
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: because we want why Also, last thing I'll say, I

1150
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: do feel with unrival and even with athletes, unlimit it right,

1151
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: there are two other pro leagues that these women have

1152
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play in. Granted, UNR I've only had

1153
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: thirty players, AU only had forty players, But because there

1154
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: are other opportunities, that is going to put pressure on

1155
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: the W.

1156
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 4: You took the words right out of my mouth, Shryl.

1157
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: I was literally getting ready to say when you were

1158
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: done that, I don't think that it will even need

1159
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: to get to a lockout because I think the W

1160
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: isn't stupid. As much as people criticize them, They're not stupid,

1161
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: and they understand the product that they have, and they

1162
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: too understand that this is a momentum that they can

1163
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 2: ill afford to lose.

1164
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: This is a time that they can ill afford to.

1165
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: They have an opportunity to put this league in a

1166
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: different category, in a different financial status, and I don't

1167
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: think that they would also be willing to waste that

1168
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: over being stubborn. It has not worked in the years past,

1169
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: it will not work moving forward. So I genuinely hope

1170
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: that they are wise enough to understand that there is

1171
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: a give and take, and as much as they the

1172
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: players one DCI intake, they have to give a little

1173
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: bit too. So I don't think it'll get to a

1174
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: lockout personally.

1175
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 6: Okay, that's so smart. And by the way, all the

1176
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 6: nuance to what's happening, I love that. I love the

1177
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 6: idea of being like knowing yet unrivaled in these other

1178
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: leagues exists. The w will have to understand that these

1179
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 6: players do have more leverage than they need, and you're right,

1180
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 6: only a handful of players show can actually be like

1181
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 6: I'm out set.

1182
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: I'm straight fine.

1183
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: So that's why it's important, Carrie to have the right

1184
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: people in the room when it comes to the negotiating,

1185
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: because it can't just be about you right like, well,

1186
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: this is what I want, because you're speaking for the

1187
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: entire league.

1188
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: You're speaking for all.

1189
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: These women who who don't have these endorsement deals, who

1190
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: don't have these opportunities, who might only be making seventy

1191
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars during the WNBA season.

1192
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1193
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: Do you remember the movie one forty four, the documentary

1194
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: with the players in the bubble during the pandemic, and yeah,

1195
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: it's really good. One thing that always sticks out to

1196
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: me is Courtney Williams. Courtney Williams was very vulnerable in there,

1197
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: and when they showed the clips of them being at

1198
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: the table amongst each other speaking, Courtney said, I don't

1199
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: There was the question became whether or not they play

1200
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: a specific game, And essentially in one four the players

1201
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: were having a conversation whether or not to play a

1202
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: specific game because there was a shooting in which Jacob

1203
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: Blake was shot and the NBA, when they were in

1204
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: their bubble, they decided they were not going to play,

1205
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: And so the WNBA had to make a decision whether

1206
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: or not they were not going to play. And here

1207
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: you are in a season where there are more eyes

1208
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: on your sport than any other eyes because we're in

1209
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: a pandemic. Can't nobody going nowhere? They're playing in the summertime.

1210
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: And on top of that, it's all about how you

1211
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: make money. You make money based off how you play

1212
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: and when you play. And so Courtney Williams was like, listen,

1213
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm not about not trying to play this game because

1214
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: I can't afford yeah, not playing. I can't afford the

1215
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: ramifications that could come from.

1216
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: Networks or whoever else.

1217
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: Don't want to show our games no more because we're

1218
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: deciding not to play. And so there was conversation and

1219
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: I respected Courtney Williams for that because it was very

1220
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: clear that it wasn't necessarily because I feel that we.

1221
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: Shouldn't stand up for Jacob Blake.

1222
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: But the reality is I have to provide, and she

1223
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: said this, it's my responsibility to provide from my family,

1224
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: and I can provide from my family if you don't know,

1225
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: checks come through, because the rest of y'all can afford

1226
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: to provide for your family. Whether y'all get this check

1227
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: or not, I ain't got that and have I never

1228
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: had more respect for Courtney than I did at that

1229
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: moment because she kept it real and she spoke for

1230
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: so many other people who honestly feel that I wouldn't

1231
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: speak up.

1232
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: But felt the same way.

1233
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: It's not about wanting to not stand up for this right,

1234
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: but it's also about being realistic that I don't make

1235
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: what y'all make. I can't afford to mischecks. And I

1236
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: think that's a conversation that will happen amongst players, not

1237
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: in front of the WNBA, but just amongst each other,

1238
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: amongst peers when they consider if it ever gets to

1239
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: this part a lockout where you have to be considerate

1240
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: of your sister and everybody don't got it like you

1241
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: got it.

1242
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 6: And by the way, that is a decision that has

1243
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 6: to be made in every professional sport. That's why the

1244
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 6: NFL finds them self fighting and people won't all protests

1245
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,959
Speaker 6: and people say that because they're players who make no money.

1246
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 6: And then there are players who make a lot of money.

1247
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 6: There is and for us, by our stand and to

1248
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 6: say I'll make a lot of money, right, But you're

1249
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 6: talking about somebody who might do a league minimum at

1250
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: five hundred versus somebody who has one hundred million dollar deal.

1251
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 6: They approach the game differently, so it makes sense. It

1252
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 6: totally does. Wow, you can't tell us education. I hope

1253
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 6: they don't lock out there tro because we don't want

1254
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 6: to lock out.

1255
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: We don't know it.

1256
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: Just listen the momentum, the momentum that we have right

1257
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: now is, to be honest with you, there are times

1258
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: where I'm like, damn, this is really happening in the

1259
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: WNBA for the w players. And so that's why I'm like,

1260
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: it's you know what, maybe in five years, if we're

1261
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: back here having this conversation, I might feel differently, But

1262
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: just the viewership, the attendance, the I don't even care

1263
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: if it was bad publicity. You're talking about the w

1264
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: n B A right. We just don't want to get

1265
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: to a point where we're like, all right, we're not

1266
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: gonna play this season and all of that momentum, Like.

1267
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and selfishly, I don't want y'all to lock out either,

1268
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: because ship, that's my paycheck.

1269
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: What you mean, no s got to cover this sport?

1270
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: What how do you keep me on payroll? And I

1271
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: ain't got don't you mess.

1272
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: Want forty four? We didn't always going to be more

1273
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 2: than more. We didn't edit three team.

1274
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 6: Anyway.

1275
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: Carroll mathing that I didn't know. I was my degree

1276
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 2: in political science, not math.

1277
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: I was.

1278
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: I was just adding, well, I was just adding the

1279
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: valkyries for this CMG.

1280
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: Carrie, we appreciate you so much.

1281
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 6: I appreciate you. I can sit here all night and

1282
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 6: talk to y'all. Y'all just gave me a full education.

1283
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. Thank you like me, and I love

1284
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 6: what we did, how we did it all. We put

1285
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 6: the intersection of all of it together. We did a monolith.

1286
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 6: We know all things, and so I appreciate.

1287
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 4: That as so madly.

1288
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: We love you, Carrie, We love you to pieces.

1289
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: Cholo was a great conversation with Carrie. I love just

1290
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: chatting with her and talking to her, and I really

1291
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: love how we were able to just kind of switch

1292
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: that up real quick, like we went straight from politics

1293
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: to sports, and like that's the versatility of women, Like

1294
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: we could just do whatever.

1295
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: You can't just put us in a box and say

1296
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: stay inside this box, because we gonna be inside the box,

1297
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: outside the box. Yeah, And you know, I've always had

1298
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: respect for Carrie, even from her ESPN days, right just yes,

1299
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: to see a black woman in that space doing what

1300
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: she did then doing what she continues to do.

1301
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: And I love her on CNN being able to talk.

1302
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: Politics with I guess you could say with some of

1303
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: the best or are they really I don't know, but yeah,

1304
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: it's just good. And then to go to sports, which

1305
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: is what we all love. But Carrie, Carrie has been

1306
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: so steady in this lane and in this space and

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Speaker 1: just so grateful we were able to get her on

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Speaker 1: the show today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, likewise, we've been wanting to talk to Carrie for

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Speaker 2: a while. You can really talk to Carrie about anything.

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Speaker 3: So love that. Thank you, Carrie, Thank you for coming Carrie.

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Speaker 2: And with that, make sure you guys are checking out

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Speaker 2: her podcast on Naked Sports. But also, yeah, it's time

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Speaker 2: for us to level up. And so what you got

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Speaker 2: for sure?

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Speaker 3: This quote, I actually have the person Roman Price.

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Speaker 1: Don't know who that is, but I just thought it

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Speaker 1: was really good, you know, Tee and I always have

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Speaker 1: to give a.

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Speaker 3: Little backstory as to why I chose this one.

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Speaker 1: And I chose this one because I always hope that

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Speaker 1: it leaves our listeners with something. But you know how

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Speaker 1: we're always trying to find someone who can change our

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Speaker 1: lives or figure out what's next and all those things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this quote says, if you're still looking for that one

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Speaker 1: person who will change your life, take a look in

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Speaker 1: the mirror.

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Speaker 3: All ludge it.

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Speaker 4: Ludshit. Look at yourself.

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Speaker 3: Just look at yourself every single day. You know, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: There are mornings when I do get up and I

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Speaker 1: look in the mirror, as we all do, I'm sure,

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Speaker 1: and there are things that I don't like. But then

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Speaker 1: I look at myself in the mirror and I say, well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like these things.

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Speaker 3: Change them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and stop waiting on someone else to do that

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Speaker 1: for you. You make it happen.

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Speaker 2: I am going to have an update about that very

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Speaker 2: thing on our show next week. So let's I love

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Speaker 2: when you do that.

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Speaker 3: That's a good tease. I'm going to have an update

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Speaker 3: about that next week.

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Speaker 2: So guys, y'all, make sure y'all tune in to next

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Speaker 2: week's episode if you want to know what my update

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Speaker 2: is about that very thing, changing something about yourself.

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Speaker 4: So thanks guys for listening.

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Speaker 2: We will be back next week with more conversations, just

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Speaker 2: simply about the real shit that we all go through

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Speaker 2: as women. Remember that this isn't our show, it's our show.

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Speaker 3: So we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Leave us a review in Apple Podcasts, or email us

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Speaker 2: that levels to this podcast at gmail dot com. Tell

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Speaker 2: us what you thought of this week's show and what

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Speaker 2: you might want to talk about next. We love hearing ideas.

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Speaker 2: You can also follow us on Instagram at lttpod So

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Speaker 2: until then, keep your mentals ground level and we will be.

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Speaker 4: Back next week.

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Speaker 1: Peas duy, Thanks and listen to Levels to This on

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