1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and absolutely beautiful fifteen year 2 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: old girl is dead? Why why her? Because she went 3 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to a birthday party? I mean, Nancy Grace, this is 4 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. You may have 6 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: just said, what what does she say? She's dead because 7 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: she went to a birthday party. What does that have 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: to do with each other? Nothing? She is dead because 9 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: she went to a birthday party. This teen girl, I 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: had a pull a picture of her up. This one 11 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: really gets to me. Here she is and her go 12 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: I could just see my daughter wearing this. My little 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: girl is fifteen, she just turned fifteen. She and her 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: twin brother Laila, has on this oh is skin tight 15 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: and it should be with a figure like hers. She's 16 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: got on this spaghetti stripe, beautiful, tight red type of 17 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: sheath dress. She's got her hair beautiful. She's got the 18 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: perfect smile. Now. I don't know if this smile is 19 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: natural or her parents paid twenty grand for those teeth 20 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: out embraces, but it's beautiful. And she's got her nails done. 21 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: And this is the part that breaks my heart. She's 22 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: got on a little risk massage. She's going to a 23 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: dance in this picture, you know it was a prominent 24 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: her school and a look on her face. She's carefree. 25 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: She's a little teen girl. She's got the world in 26 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: front of her. Why did she have to bleed out 27 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: dead at a birthday party? Why her? She's never done 28 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: anything wrong, good student, beloved everything. First of all, take 29 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: a listen to Sergeant Julia isaac Pio, Clayton County Police. 30 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: At eleven pm, Clayton County Police Department responded to his 31 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: ten seventy eight Citizens Parkway and reference to a person shot. 32 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: Upon arrival to the scene, officers noticed hundreds of teenagers 33 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: running away from the scene. Once they got up to 34 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the location, they observed a female deceased from a gunshot 35 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: wound in front of the entrance. During the investigation, officers 36 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: learn that Layla Harris came to a high school party. 37 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Clayton County Police say fifteen year old Layla Harris was 38 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: doing what most kids do, enjoying a party thrown for 39 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: Metro Areas students around eleven Saturday night on Citizens Parkway, 40 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: but trouble started when someone at the party was escorted 41 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: off their property. He came back with an accomplice, and 42 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: he shot up the location. As students ran for cover, 43 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: Layla was hit and killed. I'm just thinking about this girl. 44 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at WSBTV and Sergeant Isaac's speaking. 45 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: You know when you approach a sing and I've had 46 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: it happen. I remember Daryl Cohen joining me, high profile 47 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: lawyer of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Interesting former felony prosecutor, nothing 48 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: but violent crimes like myself, like I prosecuted. I mean, Daryl. 49 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: I remember one night I was going down to the 50 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: Red Oak Housing project and it was at night. I 51 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: was with my bodyguard, my investigator, Earnest that you know, 52 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: and I was going to a crack house. We get 53 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,559 Speaker 1: out and all of a sudden, everybody starts running. So 54 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: right then, I know something bad is happening because everybody's running. 55 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: We were unannounced, we didn't have a search warrant. I 56 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: was just going to look for a witness, and I 57 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: knew that was their crack house where they would frequent 58 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: and I knew that it would be late at night, 59 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: some time after you know, twelve am, and that's why 60 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: we were there so late. And everybody starts running like 61 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: roaches running out. We go in Daryl and there's really 62 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: no furniture. There's one kind of a burned up plaid 63 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: sofa turned over. There's a big burn hole in the carpet. 64 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Not recent. I mean this was a flop house. It's 65 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: a crack house where people go in there. There's a 66 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: burn mark on the carpet because that's where they've been 67 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: cooking up crack. So when you go to a scene 68 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you see everybody running, you 69 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: know there's something really bad going on inside. Doesn't happened 70 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: to you, Nancy, It happened several times. But also I 71 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: want to point out that a lot of young kids, 72 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: when they see the police or someone that they think 73 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: is law enforcement, they automatically run, And that's systemic in 74 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: our society that we've got to change. But back to 75 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: your question, Yes, when you show up and everybody runs, 76 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: you know that they're not running to you, they're running 77 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: from you, and there's something bad that has happened or 78 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: is about to happen. So therefore, no one wants to 79 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: be a part of where you are because they don't 80 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: want to be arrested, They don't want to be questioned, 81 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: they don't want to be stopped. It's not a good situation, 82 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: but you know what you're getting into when you're there. 83 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me, expert founder of the Cold Case 84 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org. 85 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: Cheryl Year, I think still in the midst of raising 86 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: to college stunits, and I remember my curfew. I had 87 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: to be in the house by eleven. This is when 88 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: I was on up in high school, like twelfth grade. 89 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: It's eleven o'clock. This girl is just eleven o'clock at night. 90 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: She's at a party, whether about a one hundred kids 91 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: or more, an open venue, and I think it was 92 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: at a home, So you would think it's just eleven 93 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: o'clock on Saturday night, that she should still be safe. 94 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: You would think she'd be safe, especially surrounded by all 95 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: of her friends and classmates. But Nancy, my understanding is 96 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: this was a birthday party at a venue and they 97 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: had hundreds of teenagers from all metro high schools. So 98 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: my question is what did the gunman do to get 99 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: escorted out? Was there a fight? Was there drinking? Was 100 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: there some Because you're told about hundreds of students you know, teenagers, 101 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: but he sticks out. He's a problem. So to be 102 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: a problem in that atmosphere with music and talking and dancing, 103 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: for somebody to be able to know you're such an issue, 104 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: you've got to go and be escorted out. He was 105 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: already a problem before the shooting started. Plus Gudgeon, the 106 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: source for answers, joining me a special guest from Fox 107 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: five Atlanta, Rob Drienzo, Thank you for being with us. 108 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Tell me about the venue. Well, it's essentially this space, 109 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: and I would say, kind of an industrial lot. There's 110 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: a startup church right next to it, and then there's 111 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: are what it was, kind of this like startup church 112 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: founded in this essentially the shopping plaza in this industrial 113 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: area in Clayton County. So it wasn't exactly the spot 114 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: or where you would expect to find a child's birthday 115 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: party just in this kind of like I said, industrial 116 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: area in Claytons. Okay, and wait a minute, it's beside 117 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: a church in a strip mall. Yeah, exactly, and right 118 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: next to it is another business. It really isn't, like 119 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: I said, a venue that you would expect to find 120 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: a child's birthday party. We tried to reach out to 121 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the event hall owner who seems to want to create 122 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: a larger business out of it. Haven't heard anything back 123 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: from them, but clearly there was not adequate security there 124 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: that night. Trying to figure out, Okay, what kind of 125 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: a party was it? Guys, take a listen to our 126 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: friends at Fox five. We need your assistance to find 127 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: justice for Layla Harris. Investigators who made that plea to 128 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: the public after the maryat A team was shot and 129 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: killed outside a massive high school party on Citizens Parkway 130 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: in Clayton County on Saturday night. On Monday, we saw 131 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the windows next to the event hall shattered and a 132 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: bullet on the ground. Clayton cops say when they got there, 133 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: it was already too late to save fifteen year old 134 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: Layla Harris. Officers noticed hundreds of teenagers running away from 135 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: the scene. Once they got up to the location, they 136 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: observed a female deceased from a gunshot wound in front 137 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: of the entrance. Layla's cousin told me on the phone 138 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: that they're hoping to fly her body back home to 139 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, writing on go fund me, sadly she was 140 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: tragically killed while attending a birthday party, just doing what 141 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: any fifteen year old likes to do, trying to have fun, 142 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: and now we've lost her to a senseless act of violence. 143 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: To doctor Angie Arnold joining us, We're now a psychiatrist 144 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela 145 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. This is not unusual. You have 146 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: a party at a venue and this one tells that one, 147 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: and that one tells this one, and pretty soon there's 148 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: one hundred people there. That's not unusual at all. No, 149 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: it's not Nancy. And it happens all over the city. 150 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Doesn't just happen down in Clayton County. It happens in Buckhead. 151 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: It happens in a lot of different places. And you know, 152 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, they're problems with these events, but nobody attends 153 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: this event thinking they're going to get shot and killed. 154 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: They're attending the event. They have fun time stories with 155 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I think about these events. I've covered several 156 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: cases where girls, young ladies show up at a party 157 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: that's basically turned into an event, and what they don't 158 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: get when they show up is it's not like a 159 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: party in your house or your backyard. These are people 160 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: that are not connected in any way. You don't know them. 161 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm knowing me Jackie's twenty first birthday party, 162 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: because she's going to have her family there, she's gonna 163 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: have some other people that work on crime stories, and 164 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: we're going to all generally know who each other is. 165 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: And I get together like this, you don't know each 166 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: other at all, Doctor Angie. That's exactly right. And but Nancy, 167 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: here's the other thing too. You're talking about fifteen year old. 168 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Fifteen year olds aren't thinking that far in advance to think, well, 169 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to know anybody that's here. They are 170 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: going because of the fear of missing out. They want 171 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: to go, they want to be seen there, they want 172 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: to have a good time, but they don't think about 173 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: the repercussions of what can happen. I mean, Nancy, I 174 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: am sure you are telling your kids all the time 175 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: about what to look out for whatever they're doing, right, Yeah, 176 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: but I don't want to go so overboard that they're scared. 177 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: And you know, this is reminding me of another case 178 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: that I covered for a long time. Forever. It felt 179 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: like there was no resolution and the disappearance a gorgeous 180 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: young girl Chelsea Brook. Chelsea had gone to which she 181 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: thought was going to be a party with maybe fifty 182 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: or sixty people there. It was a Halloween party, and 183 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: to further complicate her disappearance, she was dressed as the 184 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: arch villain Poison IVY, complete with the green outfit, the 185 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: flask of poison, and a red wig. As I recall, 186 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Chelsea Brook was blonde underneath. So when people were shown 187 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Chelsea's picture, they went and so did you see her? 188 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Nobody could identify her. First of all, there were only 189 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: two or three of her girlfriends. They went together. They're 190 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: the only ones that knew what Chelsea really looked like. 191 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: She had on Halloween dramatic makeup, the red wig, the costume. 192 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: No one what turned out to be over a thousand 193 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: people show up at the party because they got posted online. 194 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: No one could identify Chelsea. It was a long time, 195 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: months and months and months that passed before cops thought 196 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: they found her tights that she was wearing that went 197 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: with her outfit. And ultimately the purp's name was Daniel Clay, 198 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: that lured her away, raped and murdered her. Now, what 199 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: was the stumbling walk in the investigation? A big party 200 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: like this one, and no one could identify Chelsea, and 201 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: no one could identify who poison Ivy left with because 202 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: nobody knew each other. And even right now, we have 203 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: no idea who was the guy that was kicked out 204 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: of this party that came back and started shooting and 205 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: murdered a fifteen year old innocent girl who is planning 206 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: to get home before her curfew that Saturday night. How 207 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: can we get justice for Layla Harris. Listen to this. 208 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: This glass taped up its shatter at the top of 209 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: you where at least one of those bullets went into 210 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: the window on the ground, glass still there from what 211 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: went down here over the weekend. And get this, that 212 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: is not even the venue we're talking about. It's next 213 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: door over here at Sweete or Layla Harris, where she 214 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: was at a party, a birthday party, according to her family. 215 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: Saturday night, officers noticed hundreds of teenagers running away from 216 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: the scene. Those teams were running from this venue. It 217 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: was a high school party on Saturday night, Clayton County 218 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: POLICEE hundreds of students from Metro Atlanta showed up, but 219 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: at some point one guy was kicked out. He came 220 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: back with an accomplice and he shot up the location. 221 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: Clayton County Police say Layla Harris was shot in killed 222 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: just outside the front door at the point that everybody 223 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: was scattering and running. She was caught in a crossfire. 224 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: As her go fundi page states, Leila lost her life 225 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: to a senseless act of violence. I did reach out 226 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: to this venue several times today for a comment on 227 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: what happened and to find out really who threw this party. 228 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: So far, they've not returned to any of my emails. 229 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: I bet they haven't because they're afraid. They're afraid to 230 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: get involved. There's already one dead body. I'm a fifteen 231 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: year old girl. You know with me is Bruce Griggs, 232 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: executive director of Operation Correct Start. It's a youth of 233 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: violence prevention expert, and you can find him at correctstart 234 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: dot org. Bruce, when you're a child says hey, mom, 235 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: can I go to this birthday party? That sounds so benign, 236 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: doesn't it? Can I go to birthday party while behind 237 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: my twelve? Doesn't that sound like that's okay on a 238 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Saturday night to go to a friend's birthday party. Well, 239 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: back when I was up, it did. But nowadays there's 240 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: no way that you should allow your child to go 241 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: to an event where you haven't checked out the facility, 242 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: whether they have proper security, You should even know exactly 243 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: who's given the event and some of their friends. You 244 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: just can't let your kids go out, especially the kids 245 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: that are grown up in the culture that this young 246 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: lady got killed in. Kids are effectively silenced from confronting 247 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: violet incidents like this by what we call the notion 248 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: of the commandments of violence. Everybody's heard of the commandments 249 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: of the Bible, but these kids nowadays live by not 250 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the commandments of the Bible, and the first commandment is 251 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: thou shall not snitch. They truly believe in that. They 252 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: will go to their grave trying to make sure. We 253 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: have to teach them that, and we do this in 254 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: our program that snitching is when you tell to get 255 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: yourself out of trouble when you deserve it. Then helen 256 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: is to help. I'm gonna set You have the right 257 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: to want to help, You have the right to want 258 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: to be safe. We have to make sure. There are 259 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of kids that want to be safe. They 260 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: don't want to be in an environment where they're shooting. 261 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: But there's so much pressure on them to not tail, 262 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: to not snitch. Even now, it's like pulling a tooth 263 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: to find out who was throwing the party, who could 264 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: have been there? How was everyone invited to the party. 265 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I got a question for you, Rob Derrienzo Fox five. 266 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: Did it go out on social media? How did everybody 267 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: know about the birthday party? That's what the prevailing theory is. 268 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Right now. We've been actually looking for this post that 269 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: apparently circulated for a few days and we haven't been 270 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: able to find it. But essentially, it was an open 271 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: invite to any teenager in the Atlanta metro area, and 272 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: you can imagine how wrong that can go. As we saw, 273 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: but she seemed to think it was a birthday party. Yeah, 274 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: it seemed like it was a birthday party with an 275 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: open invite, so you didn't have to know the person 276 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: whose birthday it was in order to attend. Okay, Cheryl 277 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: McCollum joining me, Cheryl, could you explain everybody what it's 278 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: an open invite party? Yeah, that's just when you put 279 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: it out there and just all come, you're just saying, hey, 280 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna be at this location at this time. Everybody 281 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: wants comes invite it it's exactly what it says. Open. 282 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: I've got a problem with Cheryl McCollum. You're the forensic expert. 283 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: Are you telling me cops can't find the invite online? Oh, 284 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: they can find it. And not only that, they know 285 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: the person that hosted it. They already know that. And 286 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: more importantly, they know the person that escorted this person 287 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: out of the party. So that gives you a person 288 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: that could do a composite and whatever issue they had inside, 289 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: whether they were argument or fighting with another person, that's 290 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: a second witness that could possibly give you that information. 291 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: Kids were also you know, taking pictures, taking selfies, taking videos. 292 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: That shooter is somewhere in those pictures as well. Absolutely, 293 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: And to tell me you can't find the invite, that 294 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: you can't get in the facts straight, guys, take a 295 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: listen to Sergeant Julia Isaac Clayton County. It was hosted 296 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: by unknown individuals and it was held for students for 297 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: the metro area. At this time, we're asking for assistance 298 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: from the public. We're asking for anyone to come for 299 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: it that has any information and reference to this shooting. 300 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: We need your assistance to find justice for Leila Harris, 301 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: one of those shots hitting the window here, you're looking 302 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: at that right about now. It is boarded up. The 303 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: owners of this business did not want to speak with 304 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: us on camera for safety reasons, but did share that 305 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: they were just here yesterday working and decided to take 306 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: the day off. So long, sory short. You're hearing the 307 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 1: sergeant with Clayton County and you're in our friends at 308 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: Fox five that nobody wants to get involved, Nobody wants 309 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: their face seeing, nobody wants to be on any official 310 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: documents because they're afraid. They're afraid they'll be targeted if 311 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: they help cops catch the killer of this fifteen year 312 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: old girl who seems to have thought she was just 313 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: going to a birthday party. How did it all go 314 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: so wrong? And why aren't other members, other people that 315 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: attended the party having their phones confiscated and all of 316 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: the photos being examined? You know, do you, Daryl Cohen? 317 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: How often when you were prosecuting are you confronted with 318 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: nobody saw anything, nobody heard anything, nobody knows anything, but 319 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: that is wrong. Somebody did see, did hear, and does know, 320 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: but nobody will fail. Divide, divine the conqueror, Divide and conquer. 321 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: That's the only way people suddenly remember, Oh yes I 322 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: saw this, Oh yes I heard that. No I wasn't there, 323 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I guess I was. And Nancy, let me 324 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: say this, and I've been waiting. I'm fear is with 325 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: the parents. You can't change what happened this fifteen year 326 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: old girl. She's dead. But let's stop it. Let's where 327 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: the heck or the parents allowing fifteen year old to 328 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: go halfway across the city or all the way across 329 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: the city to go to a party. This is completely 330 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: in my view, on the parents as well as the shooter, 331 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: as well as the venue. There was no security that 332 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: was adequate to take care of all of this. Well, 333 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's saying Daryl coeh in their high 334 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: school seat, it's why they're not thinking about security. Well 335 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: I am, and mom and dad should be. And mom 336 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: and dad should say. You're fifteen. Your curfew, as you 337 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: pointed out when you were younger and I was younger, 338 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: was eleven or eleven thirty? Well, can I tell you 339 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: what just happened this past weekend? My son, You know 340 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: my children, John, David Lucy, they just turned fifteen and 341 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: my daughter is very petite. My son is six to five, 342 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: but he is a gentle giant, and he got invited 343 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: to a birthday party and it was going to be 344 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: at six Flags at night, and of course all I 345 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: could think about is murder, mayhem, robbing's armed robberies at 346 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: this big venue. I was the only mom, as it 347 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: turns out, that asked the host parents, Hey, are you 348 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: guys gonna be with them? Yeah, I've got a son 349 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: six five, and I'm worried about him going to six 350 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 1: Flags without a parent there. And it all turned out 351 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: just fine. As it happened, my husband and I suddenly 352 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: had dinner plans, believe it or not, right there at 353 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: six Flags. Isn't that crazy that it worked out in 354 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: that way? So unbeknownst to him, do not repeat the 355 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: story to my children. Mommy was not far away, and 356 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: Dad also reluctantly was nearby as well. You know, Bruce Griggs, 357 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm not planning on bleating the parents here 358 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: because I don't even know if they really need where 359 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: the venue was. But it shows that you're just not 360 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: safe letting your child go to a party. And by 361 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: the way, everything was absolutely fine at six Flags, just 362 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: like those parents said he had a great time. There 363 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: was not even a hint of gang activity, of anything threatening. Nothing. 364 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: It was absolutely fine, thank god. But you just never knew. 365 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: But what's the cross between living a normal lot and 366 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: living in fear something's going to happen to your team? Kid? Well, 367 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: we've got to all understanding that youth gun violence has 368 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: reached epidemic proportions. As a parent, that's the first thing 369 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: you should be able to pay attention to. But as 370 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: a community, we have to come together to try to 371 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: prevent and reduce violence not only buy but also against 372 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: the youth. It's it's gotten to a point throughout the 373 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: nation where we've got to treat this violence as a disease. 374 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: We got to start treating as a public health issue 375 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: the same way that we were looking at COVID nineteen. Well, 376 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: how are we going to do that with defund the police? Huh? 377 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: How are you going to get more cops out there 378 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: to help when we don't even have enough cops? I'm 379 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: not saying it caught for the answer. Oh okay, then 380 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: how are we going to control the dispersion of guns? 381 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: Let me let me explain. To listen real closely. When 382 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: you treat violence as a disease. You've got to attack 383 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: the problem where it is. You know, a lot of 384 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: people would argue that they believe they're safe because they 385 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: live in filling the blank, or they're going to a 386 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: private school, or they are in their office in a 387 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: very calm office district, or their home on has a 388 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: burglar alarm on it, or they've got a fence around 389 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: their yard. That is not true to you, Daryl Cohen. 390 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: Violence seeps into your life no matter what community you're 391 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: in or where you're from. Would you agree? I mean, 392 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: you and I prosecuted and you've defended violent crimes all 393 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: across Fulton County. I've had murders for all the millionaires live. 394 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: I've had murders in housing projects. I've had murders in 395 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: single family homes. I've had mass shootings on a playground. 396 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, Crime seeps in everywhere. Each of my daughters, 397 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: I tell them, and you know one of them very well, 398 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: keep your head on a swivel. Yes, there's more likely 399 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: crime going to happen in certain neighborhoods, but yes, crime 400 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: happens everywhere, and it happens when you least expect it. 401 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: It happens in the middle of the day, it happens 402 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, more likely late at 403 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: night when it's dark. But it happens everywhere. And if 404 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: the parents don't take responsibility for their kids, that who 405 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: in the world is going to be able to take responsibility. 406 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: I disagree with you on that, Darrel, because no parent 407 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: when their child says, hey, mom, can I go to 408 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: a birthday party? I'll be home before midnight? And she has. 409 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: The parents have never had any problem with this girl 410 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: at all, I can. I just can't lay the blame 411 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: at their door yet, although apparently they did not know 412 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: the zenue, which is troubling. I want to go back 413 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: to Leila Harris too. Doctor Jeffrey M. And Jetson joining 414 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: US Professor forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy Forensic Services, University 415 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Michigan Medical School, former medical examiner in Milwaukee County. Never 416 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: lack a business there, Doctor Jensen. How is it that 417 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: this young girl bled out so quickly she never gotten 418 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: to tell cops anything about who may have been her killer? Well, 419 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: of course, Nancy, I determined it is determined by which 420 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: body area in which Oregon is struck by the projectile. 421 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: If a projectile struck the heart or major artery, death 422 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 1: would occur within a matter of second to less than 423 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: a minute. Other times you've got injuries related to the 424 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: extremities where the victim will will basically round or try 425 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: to extricate themselves from a scene, only to bleed out 426 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: blocked later from the scene. In this case, I'm kind 427 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: of interested in the fact that a bullet was seen 428 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: or a projectile was found next to the window area, 429 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: and in this case we probably expect to find a 430 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: typical entrance wounds on the body and indicating that there 431 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: was a intermediate target that impeded the bullet before it 432 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: struck the young the young woman. So it depends. All 433 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: depends on where the death, where the injury occurred. It 434 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: may be immediate, if it immediate, if it strikes the 435 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: brain or some other vital area. It was some of 436 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: the injuries that you suggested may happen. Do the lungs 437 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: actually fill up with blood and you can no longer breathe. 438 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: That's one of the causes of death as um large 439 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: major vessels are struck and then the person may aspirate 440 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: or inhale the blood as it fills up into the lungs, 441 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: but typically it's related to exanguination, in which the blood 442 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: is exiting the blood vessels and filling up the large 443 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: chest cavities with blood. Would she have suffered, doctor Jensen, 444 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: or would she be dead instantly? You know, that's the 445 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: classic question that families ask us on every case. And um, 446 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: you know again it the term. It's determined on you 447 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: know what kind of injury you have. If the brain 448 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: stem or the brain is affected, of course the person 449 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: dies immediately. There are issues of pain and suffering when 450 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: an individual maybe bleeding and basically you know, I know 451 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: that they're going to die because of the amount of hemorrhage. 452 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: It all depends on the site, and we try to 453 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: be as as sensitive to the families as we can 454 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and know that in many cases these young people are 455 00:29:45,200 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: in shock and don't necessarily feel pain. Crime stories with 456 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you know, to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist 457 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Angie, I like to tell myself that 458 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: when my fiancee was murder he didn't feel anything, that 459 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: he just blacked out and one instant he was here 460 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: and the next instant he was in heaven. It's just 461 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: like that. And I was just noticing recently, doctor Angie 462 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: that the family of the Idaho the four Idaho students 463 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: that were slaughtered, one of the family members said, well, 464 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, it was very quick. They don't have time 465 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: to really feel anything. I think we tell ourselves that 466 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: to make ourselves feel better, because I don't want to 467 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: think about my fiance Keith lying there in pain, knowing 468 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: that he's dying, not being able to move or call 469 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: out for help because nobody's there, and I wonder about that, 470 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and then I always say, well, you know, you probably 471 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: didn't feel anything, because it's easier to think that to 472 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: go about your day. Just like in Layla's case, it's 473 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: easy to say, oh, this little team girl at a 474 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: birthday party, she didn't really feel anything. It was just like, 475 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: one moment she's here, one moment she's gone. That's not true. 476 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the truth. I mean, Nancy, can 477 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: you imagine the fear first of all, that she felt 478 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: because she was shot running out of the house or 479 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: whatever the venue was, So there was fear inside of 480 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: this place. She's running out and then she gets shot, 481 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, nobody can convince me that it doesn't 482 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: hurt to get to have a bullet go through you. 483 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if we cut ourselves, it hurts. For God's sake, 484 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: it had to hurt for some period of time. But 485 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, Nancy. People are going we have to 486 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: do what we can to protect our memories and to 487 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: and to try not to feel the amount of pain 488 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: we are feeling at this little girl's loss. And so 489 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: what do we do We come up with things like that. 490 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: And let's not blame the parents either in this regard. Guys, 491 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: like I said, these parties go on everywhere around Atlanta, 492 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: and we I mean it's sad to say, but do 493 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: you always know where your children are going? Well, for me, yes, 494 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: but I don't know about everybody else. Yeah, I know 495 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: where they are right now. I know where they were 496 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: last night, the night before that. I know what they're wearing. Nancy. 497 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: Can I jump in, Yeah. I think one of the 498 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: most important things is going to be the timeline when 499 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: he the shooter was escorted out of that party. How 500 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: long was he gone before that he came back and 501 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: was shooting. That's going to give them a parameter that 502 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: he left there was back in fifteen minutes, forty minutes, 503 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: an hour and a half, whatever it was, And that'll 504 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: give you an area of how long it took him 505 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: to go get this fool accomplice and a gun and 506 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: come back. Well, what if what if that was just 507 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: another party goer and the gun was in the car 508 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: and they had to work their courage out again. The 509 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: timeline will tell you that maybe maybe I usually agree 510 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: with you, but I don't know if I do this time. 511 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: But yes, that is a very valid, very valid supposition. 512 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: But I don't get it's why a fifteen year old 513 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: girl at a birthday party of hundreds, hundreds of high 514 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: school students. They can't id the killer. He was at 515 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: the party and got thrown out, or at least that's 516 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: the working theory. There is a man hunt going on 517 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: right now for the shooter of Leila Hair. It's just 518 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: fifteen years old at a high school party. Take a 519 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: listen to Sargeant Julia Isaac. An individual was escorted off 520 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: of the property, he came back with an accomplice and 521 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: he shot up the location. I'm so at the point 522 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: that everybody was scattering and running. She was caught in 523 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: the crossfire. At this time, the investigators are following all leads, 524 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: so that will include us trying to look for any 525 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: video that's available. I just want to say if anyone 526 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: knows what happened, if they have any information, to please 527 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: come forward. Someone at the party should know who he is. 528 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: We're still following leads, so it's still in the preliminary 529 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: phases at this time. Brendon Wilcox sumes the business next 530 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: door She's been worried about parties like this before because 531 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: at two, three, four o'clock in the morning, I'm seeing 532 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: that there's teenagers still hanging out often here, the conversations, 533 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: and it's like, man, something can happen at any given time. Now, 534 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: with another life lost to gun violence, community leaders in 535 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: Clayton County say change can't wait. We need to come 536 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: together and rise up in unity. We need to go 537 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: back to the days where the neighbors see your child, 538 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: they're calling the parents. It starts at home. Clayton police 539 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: believe students from across several Metro Atlanta high schools attended 540 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: Saturday's party, and they believe someone knows who the shooter is. 541 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: And now we have police begging for help to identify 542 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: the shooter. You know, I find it really heart to 543 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: believe Rob Derienzo that nobody knows who the shooter is. 544 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he was thrown out of the party, or 545 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: at least that's the working theory, isn't it. Well, yeah, 546 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And it's important to note that we 547 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: obviously don't know what investigators have in their back pocket 548 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: and what they're working on behind the scenes. Well, they 549 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: just issued a public play for the idea of the shooter, 550 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: so that tells me they don't know who he is yet. Yeah, 551 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: and it's important to note that they're you know, hopefully 552 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: scouring social media and trying to track down the source 553 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: of this post that circulated the invite, and then obviously 554 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: any videos or any fallout from the shooting. So that's 555 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: all going to be part of their work. But I 556 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: think Bruce touched on it a little while ago. This 557 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: niche mentality is pretty endemic, especially among young people here 558 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, where they don't they don't want to say anything, 559 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: even if they have videos of the events, even if 560 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: they know exactly who did it. They're afraid of being 561 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: called a snitch or having a target on their back. 562 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, my son told me in the third grade. 563 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: You're never gonna blame this show. I'm third grade. Snitches 564 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: get stitches, I said, if where did you hear that? 565 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: He didn't tell me. They didn't want to tell him 566 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to snitch. Snitches get stitches. I 567 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: mean it's ingrained in young people brace scraggs. I think 568 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: you're right. I wish people would truly understand that these 569 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: kids are really being silenced, not just here in Clayton County. 570 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: There was another player of visual that happened in the 571 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: cab County. A guy walked up up at the prayer 572 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: of Visual and shot and kill somebody. Everybody saw it happened, 573 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: having them knew him. Nobody said a word. Nobody said 574 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: a word. There's some commandments that go along with these kids, 575 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: the commandments of violence. I keep telling you, bashiell not 576 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: snitches the first one. It's not the only one, but 577 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: it's the most important one. Bashil handleby business. Bashiel do 578 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: what I gotta do. That shall be no pump, that 579 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: shall carry a pistol. These are the commandments that these 580 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: young people believe in. They don't believe in the commandments 581 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: of the Bible. Like we grew up to let me 582 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: ask you, Bruce Greggs. Bruce is the executive director of 583 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: Oppression Correct Start. Where are teens, young teams and younger guns? 584 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: Where are they getting these guns? Yes? Well, let me 585 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: say this when when first of all, when the the 586 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: law came about that that you could carry to have 587 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: a permit to carry in Georgia, what that's translated, everybody 588 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: needed to have a gun. So you got mothers providing 589 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: guns for their fifteen, twelve, thirteen year old kids. Everybody 590 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: has a gun. Then you've got these kids who continuously 591 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: are out under control, not being being properly supervised, that 592 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: break into these cars, and these games are paying them 593 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: to get these guns. Okay, hold on there, I think 594 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: you're right about that. Take a listen to our cut 595 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: thirteen Sergeant Isaac. I just asked that the parents know 596 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: where their teenagers are. We get multiple reports a week 597 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: of juveniles running away or sneaking away from home, and 598 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: then they're coming back a couple of hours later or 599 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: days later. It also it's like a revolving door because 600 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: we do have mostly teenagers that break into cars. If 601 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: they see guns inside of the cars, they're gonna break 602 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: the window to get that gun, and in turn they 603 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: use that gun to commit another crime. It's a full circle. 604 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: If we can take all of our belongings out of 605 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: the car, maybe they won't steal the guns. If we 606 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: keep our kids and pay attention to them and keep 607 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: them home, know where they are, maybe they won't sneak 608 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: out to break into someone's car. You know, I appreciate 609 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: everything the sergeant just said and agree with it, but 610 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of taking the focus off the 611 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 1: fact that they can't find the killer. So it's back 612 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: on the parents. Wild parents, You should watch children. They 613 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: need to be finding the killer. They've got a bullet. 614 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: Can they not trace the bullet back to a known 615 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: gun and the ballistics database waiting to find out about that. 616 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: They can't tell me that no one has a picture 617 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: of the perpet that party, Nobody knows who is invited, 618 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: nobody can identify who was thrown out. All of that, 619 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: every bit of it is a lie. But I want 620 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: to follow up on what Bruce Griege just says. Try McCollum. 621 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: It is true. Juveniles and I've seen this as as 622 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: a prosecutor are asked to do crimes so the adult 623 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: doesn't face a stiff penalty, Like you give a twelve 624 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: year old dope to go sell in the corner, So 625 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: the twenty five year old supplying the dope won't go 626 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: to jail. The twelve year old will get three weeks 627 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: in the juv jail for Pete's sake. So explain about 628 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: the stealing the guns, okay, And again that's nothing new. 629 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: This has happened since Clinton was president and the three 630 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: strikes you're out came about. Everybody started using juveniles to 631 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, run their business is criminal. So what happens 632 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: is every single time you have an entering auto, pretty 633 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: much the center console and the glove compartment is open. Well, 634 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: that's just telling you they're only looking for one thing, 635 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: and one thing only. They're not looking for computers and 636 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: things like that. They're looking for guns. In Georgia, an 637 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: illegal gun is going to bring you about two hundred bugs, 638 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: but in New York it's twelve hundred. So if you 639 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: can get fifteen or twenty teenagers out there, they're only 640 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: going to go to juvenile if they're called. And they 641 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: can get you seventy five guns and you drive them 642 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: up to New York, that's a good day. That's a 643 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: really good day. But you know, when you start investigating 644 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: a murderer, and this is a murder, we have to 645 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: find out everything we know about the victim, what is 646 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: connecting her to the killer? If anything, what's making this 647 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: case so difficult to solve is that we now believe 648 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: this teen girl, Lela Harris, had no connection to her killer, 649 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: much as we're seeing in the has student killings. When 650 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: there's no connection between the victim and the killer, it's 651 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,760 Speaker 1: much harder to solve. It's a needle in a haystack. 652 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: But straight out to you, Daryl Cohen, this is absolutely 653 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: a murder case. Why it could have been argued the 654 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: defendant was angry from for getting thrown out of the 655 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 1: party and that he acted in anger, which could if 656 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: a defense attorney got the right Jorry, reduce it down 657 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: to voluntary manslaughter. But here we have a cooling off period, 658 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: explain Nancy. It goes from murder to voluntary manslaughter if 659 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: there is no cooling off period, and that's only a perhaps. 660 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: But here our shooter, whoever he was, and I assume 661 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: it say he was removed from the party, came back 662 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: some time later, may have been thirty seconds may have 663 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: been thirty minutes, may have been an hour, and shot 664 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: up the place. The fact that our victim was not 665 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: necessarily his target doesn't mean he's not guilty. It means 666 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: he's guilty of murder. And let me say this, Nancy, 667 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: teenagers talk. They're going to find him in a week 668 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: or two, because too many people who saw nothing are 669 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: suddenly going to be talking to their friends talking about 670 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: who he is. Or I'm not interested in ballistics yet, 671 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: I'm interested in eyewitnesses, and I think you will find 672 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: that they will talk and he will be apprehended fairly shortly. 673 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: For those of you asking, there was no Surmilli's video 674 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: at the scene of this birthday party, this so called 675 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: birthday party. If you know or think you know anything 676 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: about the murder of this young girl, Laela, please dial 677 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: seven seven zero four seven seven three seven four seven 678 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: seven four seven seven three seven four seven. Now I 679 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: learned on day one arguing to a jury, you are 680 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: never allowed to put a jurar in the place in 681 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: the shoes of the victim. But just think about it. 682 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: What if this were your daughter at a birthday party, 683 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: coming home in a box and no one has been apprehended, 684 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing 685 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,