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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence betteran.

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Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pisoviet.

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Speaker 4: Christ Is FIR four three two zero.

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Speaker 5: Write up, folks, here's the answer to your problem. You'll

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Speaker 5: have the bountiful benefit of higher wages, shorter hours, and security.

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Speaker 5: By ISM even makes the weather perfect every day. All

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Speaker 5: you have to do is sign this little scrap of

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Speaker 4: I hereby turnover to ISM incorporated everything I have, including

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Speaker 4: my freedom and the freedom of my children and my

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Speaker 4: children's children, in return for which said ISM promises to

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Speaker 4: take care of me forever. Paul and Patty know this.

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Speaker 4: No matter where they go or what they do, they

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Speaker 4: always try to remember what to do. If the atom

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Speaker 4: bomb explodes, right, then it's a bomb and cover. Mister

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Speaker 4: Gorbachov teared down this wall.

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Speaker 6: It's being reported that President Biden has lifted restrictions on

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Speaker 6: Ukraine using US weapons to strike deeper inside Russia.

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Speaker 7: Bowing down to Russian later.

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Speaker 8: I think it's outrageous, it's dangerous, and it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 6: In the updated version of the document, Aggression against Russia

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Speaker 6: by any non nuclear state but with the support of

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Speaker 6: a nuclear state is proposed to be considered as their

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Speaker 6: joint attack on Russia. Russia will also consider the possibility

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Speaker 6: of using nuclear weapons when receiving reliable information about a

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Speaker 6: massive launch of means of aerospace attack and their crossing.

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Speaker 3: Of our state border.

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Speaker 6: This includes strategic and tactical aircraft, as well as cruise

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Speaker 6: missiles and drones, hypersonic and other delivery vehicles. Russia reserves

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Speaker 6: the right to use nuclear weapons in case of aggression,

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Speaker 6: including if the enemy using conventional weapons poses a critical threat.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Posobic, here we are human events, daily,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. We are witnessing a defining moment in history.

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Speaker 1: President Trump, with his unyielding commitment to peace, is poised

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Speaker 1: to end the war in Ukraine, a conflict that was

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Speaker 1: never inevitable, but rather a consequence of years of geopolitical maneuvering.

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Speaker 1: Trump's strategy is clear, bring both sides to the negotiation table,

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Speaker 1: leveraging his unique diplomatic style to forge an end to

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Speaker 1: this tragedy. Now, let's not forget this war didn't need

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Speaker 1: policies that have been largely ignored or misrepresented by the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media. The United States, through its covert operations in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: has played a significant, yet under discussed role in stoking

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Speaker 1: the conflict. The New York Times this year recently shed

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Speaker 1: light on this revealian network of twelve CIA bases in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: These weren't just outposts, they were training grounds for Ukrainian operatives,

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Speaker 1: including assassination teams aimed at quote countering Russian influence, but

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Speaker 1: also have conducted, in fact one general recently, assassinations within

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Speaker 1: Russia itself. This kind of activity hidden in the shadows

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Speaker 1: has undeniably contributed to the escalation. Furthermore, the expansion of

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Speaker 1: The promise of NATO membership for Ukraine was seen as

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Speaker 1: a direct threat by Moscow, echoing the concerns of many

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Speaker 1: Russian leaders since the Cold War's end. Yet this narrative

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Speaker 1: is seldom explored in mainstream discourse, which prefers to paint

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Speaker 1: of cause and effect. Trump's approach to this conflict isn't

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Speaker 1: about perpetuating the cycle of blame or military engagement. It's

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Speaker 1: about negotiation. His advisors of outlined plans where the current

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Speaker 1: disincentives to compel both Ukraine and Russia to engage in

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Speaker 1: a meaningful dialogue, and would include, by the way, halting

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Speaker 1: NATO membership for Ukraine in exchange for peace. It's called

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Speaker 1: a pragmatic solution. To truly understand how Trump might end

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Speaker 1: the seeds of this con inflict were sown long before

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Speaker 1: tanks rolled across Ukrainian soil. They were planted with every

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Speaker 1: the NATO enlargement. These are not just footnotes. They are

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Speaker 1: chapters in the story of how we got here, and

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Speaker 1: Trump's return offers a chance to rewrite this narrative, shift

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned as Human Events brings you the truth about Ukraine.

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Speaker 9: And today you know that you talk about influencers, These

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Speaker 9: are influences and they're friends of mine. Jack, Jack.

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Speaker 1: Down, all right, Jack Pisich, we are back here on

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Speaker 1: Human Events. I want to introduce you to today's guest,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to be going through the entire Ukraine story,

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Speaker 1: it is Scott Horton from anti war dot Com and

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Speaker 1: the author of the new book You gotta get this book.

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Speaker 1: You will read it in one sitting. It will change

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Speaker 1: the way that you look at American modern history, possibly

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Speaker 1: even past history. It is provoked how Washington started the

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Speaker 1: new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: He joins us. Now, Scott, how are you.

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Speaker 7: I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 9: Jack.

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Speaker 7: Great to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's incredible, you know, because when you

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Speaker 1: and I were first chatting about this, you know, the

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Speaker 1: and you know, the anti war, So anti war has

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Speaker 1: Vance is talking about, David Sachs is talking about, Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carlson's in there. I myself, of course, talk about this

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I appreciate you and all the America First's efforts.

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Speaker 7: I mean, remember.

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Speaker 8: That that phrase comes from Defend America First. That's what

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Speaker 8: it really meant. That's the great book by Garett. Garrett

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Speaker 8: is collected essays from the Saturday Evening Post saying that, look,

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Speaker 8: France is not America's eastern frontier. Well, I would agree

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Speaker 8: And now Donald Trump has run on peace. Remember in

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Speaker 7: And he said, I want to end it.

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Speaker 8: It's too dangerous to allow the war to continue at all.

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Speaker 8: And Jack, I'm sure he must have heard him say this.

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Speaker 8: He talks about this from time to time over the decades.

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Speaker 8: He has that Donald Trump had an uncle who taught

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Speaker 7: Don't get a real education in nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 8: Well, Trump got a real education in nuclear weapons, and

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Speaker 8: he is rightfully terrified to them, and rightfully has decided

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Speaker 8: that just doesn't make any sense for America to have

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Speaker 1: And what's amazing is you've got nominees up there. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jadie Vance is coming in as the vice president, Pete

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Speaker 1: Hegseth at sec F, Tulca, Gabbard as the DNI is

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal ran an attack piece on all

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Speaker 1: that's specifically what he said he was going to do,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. And these are people, by

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Speaker 8: And I know less about the Secretary of Defense, but

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Speaker 7: Well, all that happened, Jack was she was in a

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Speaker 8: John McCaine even went and met with the Northern Storm Brigade,

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Speaker 8: And she's saying, I'm sorry, I can still tell you

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Speaker 7: So, in other words, what.

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Speaker 7: They're the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: And last, and at the very heart of it, I

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Speaker 1: I said, wait, I'm trying to explain it. And I

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Speaker 1: I say, you want me to be upset that she

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Speaker 1: That sounds like someone who should actually be in charge,

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Speaker 1: We're on with Scott Wharton of anti war dot Com.

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Speaker 1: His book Provoked. It's about Ukraine, but it's actually about

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Speaker 3: It's very clear what's going on here. Everything that you've

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Speaker 1: All right, Jack Posobic, we are back on live. We're

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Speaker 1: Horton of the book Provoked, which essentially tells that next story. Scott,

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Speaker 8: really we're just trying to spread, as George Soros calls them,

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Speaker 8: open societies in the world.

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Speaker 7: We are talking about a lot of.

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Speaker 8: Backwards corrupt dictatorships or sort of pseudo fake democracies and

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Speaker 8: this kind of thing. And so you might really wish

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Speaker 8: that they had regular elections and an independent judiciary and

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Speaker 8: open public corruption bureau and everything is just great over there.

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Speaker 8: But imagine Jack, really the US Empire going to such

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Speaker 8: lengths to create such democratic systems in other people's countries.

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Speaker 7: But then, oh, they don't.

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Speaker 8: Care who wins the election, though they're perfectly happy to

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Speaker 8: see the other side win and the American guy lose

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Speaker 8: or the pro Western guy lose.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Right, there has to be built in no matter what

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Speaker 8: a conflict of interest in all of this stuff. There's

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Speaker 8: no way that it can be just so selfless that

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Speaker 8: all they really want is the people of the world

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Speaker 8: to be free unless be and free means just like

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Speaker 8: democracy means when the democrats win and get what they want.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise they'll frame you for treason.

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Speaker 8: Whether it's Trump or whether it's what's his name in Romania,

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Speaker 8: and they'll depose you and cheat and do what they

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Speaker 8: have to do to maintain their power.

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Speaker 7: And so that's the key. It's just like a cop

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Speaker 7: who can.

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Speaker 8: Get away with running a red light or even killing

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Speaker 8: a hooker or something, and like the law doesn't apply

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Speaker 8: to the law enforcer a lot of the times, and

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Speaker 8: in that case, it saw us.

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Speaker 7: It's a middle part.

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Speaker 1: Or if you're or if you're the or if you're

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Speaker 1: the nephew of a wealthy and well connected legal family

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and your girlfriend mysteriously stabs herself twenty times,

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Speaker 1: including ten times in the back, and it just so

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Speaker 1: happens that Joshapiro, the Attorney General, is a family friend

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Speaker 1: that suddenly it gets ruled to suicide.

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Speaker 3: I bring that up as a hypothetical.

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Speaker 1: That's not a reference to anything that I've been covering

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Speaker 1: here on the show.

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Speaker 8: I actually only just read that story for the first

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Speaker 8: time the other day, and they were talking about it,

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Speaker 8: like everybody knows this story, and I was like, what,

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Speaker 8: I totally missed this. I've been working on a book

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Speaker 8: for a year or two, and.

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Speaker 1: I was I've been I've been going down the road

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Speaker 1: on that one, quite quite quite extensively.

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Speaker 3: I'll have to show you. I'll have to send you

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Speaker 3: the podcast we did on it.

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Speaker 1: But you know again you're it's it is the powerful

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Speaker 1: uh Ellen greenbergers the name, by the way, for folks

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Speaker 1: want to look this up. The for folks in power,

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Speaker 1: they stay in power and they attempt to expand their power.

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Speaker 1: It is something that is historic. We've seen power act

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Speaker 1: this way across centries. Meerscheimer talks about this, by the way,

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Speaker 1: as an understanding of this is how great powers operate.

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Speaker 1: But it seems as though and I like the way

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Speaker 1: Meerscheimer frames it because he says, the United States is

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Speaker 1: attempting to achieve something beyond great power status in the

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Speaker 1: fact where they want to be this sort of global hedgemond.

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Speaker 1: And this is why. By the way, you can go

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Speaker 1: to Washington, d C. And you'll see furious op eds

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Speaker 1: from members of both Republican and Democrat parties arguing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone needs to focus on some conflict or

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Speaker 1: some border that is thousands of miles away, and don't

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Speaker 1: worry about the public crime issues in your hometown or

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Speaker 1: the fentanyl zombies meandering around. No, this thing that's happening

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Speaker 1: in some desert or some desolate Eurasian You know, the

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Speaker 1: winterized tundra is something that you should be totally focused on.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I still do this. I still

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Speaker 1: go to newsstands. I know nobody does it anymore, but

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Speaker 1: I go to newsstands and I try almost every morning

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Speaker 1: to look at the cover of the Washington Post and

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. I get to tell end the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, Ukraine is on the cover almost every

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Speaker 1: single day. Every once in a while they change it

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Speaker 1: out with Syria, but then they go right back to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: It's like, is this really the most important thing? Then

516
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Speaker 1: you wonder why nobody reads it anymore. But it's something

517
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Speaker 1: that is really being tried so hard to be jammed

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Speaker 1: down the throats of the American people and look for

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Speaker 1: I call it the regime. Other people call it the uniparty,

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Speaker 1: like Ben's calls it the blob, whatever name people want

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Speaker 1: to use for it. You know, I think that we've

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Speaker 1: realized that, and the twenty twenty four election was a

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Speaker 1: huge part of this, that something has gone wrong and

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Speaker 1: a disconnect took place between the people of this country

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Speaker 1: and the people who are running it because their interests

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Speaker 1: in the interests of the people who live here are

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Speaker 1: simply in no way connected.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 8: And you know the real problem is that these guys

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Speaker 8: are sure what heroes they are. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 8: great quote, I'm sure you're familiar with this where someone

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Speaker 8: at confront of John Laughlin, who had been the acting

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Speaker 8: director of the CIA but was a longtime CIA guy,

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Speaker 8: senior official, and someone said, you know, O'donald Trump says,

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Speaker 8: you're all the deep state or something like that was

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Speaker 8: the question. And he says, well, thank god for the

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Speaker 8: deep state, because let me tell you something.

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Speaker 7: This is at the height of Russia Gate hoax. Reach.

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Speaker 3: I remember this.

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Speaker 7: I remember he says, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 8: The problem is not at Fort Meade or at the

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Speaker 8: Hoover Building or in Langley.

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Speaker 7: The problem is at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 8: Now, if Donald Trump was really a trader and a suborn,

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Speaker 8: blackmailed slave of Vladimir Putin, then I guess maybe. But

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Speaker 8: you notice that the CIA and the NSA, they're completely

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Speaker 8: post constitutional national security state structures. The FBI as a

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Speaker 8: bureau of the Department of Justice might be constitutional in

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Speaker 8: a sense, but they're way outside of their writ when,

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Speaker 8: as we all know now and a lot of us

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Speaker 8: knew then, but we all know now, it was the

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Speaker 8: FBI that was framing him for this treason in the

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Speaker 8: first place. I mean, the CIA started it, and FBI

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Speaker 8: really continue the whole thing of framing of the president

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Speaker 8: on this ridiculous hoax, and then they use that to

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Speaker 8: say John Laflain is just perfectly proud to say, listen,

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Speaker 8: we're the secret police. We do what we think is right.

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Speaker 8: If the president we decided.

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Speaker 1: There is a whole There is a whole media infrastructure

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Speaker 1: of Hollywood and books and TV shows that are pushed

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Speaker 1: everywhere in our society every single air. What you walk

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Speaker 1: through to lionize the FBI, lionize the CIA, lionize these

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Speaker 1: agencies and act as if they are some sort of

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Speaker 1: secret superhero, when in fact what's being done is that

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Speaker 1: fantasy is being pushed so you don't pay attention to

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Speaker 1: what the real ones are actually doing. Right back to Scottboard.

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Speaker 7: And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack?

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Speaker 5: Worrisy Jack?

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Speaker 8: I want to see you.

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Speaker 5: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you do.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have an incredible thing we're always talking

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Speaker 9: about the fake news.

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Speaker 1: And the band.

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Speaker 5: But we have guys, and these are the guys you're

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Speaker 5: forgetting PUBLICISKI.

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Speaker 1: slash post So. So, Scott, we've been talking about the

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Speaker 1: US government and this mentality that you see within the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community. I say that as a recovering intelligence officer.

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Speaker 1: So I like to say that I certainly knew people

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Speaker 1: like this, and I still know people like this friends,

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Speaker 1: I know who stayed in and I'm like, guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: why do you care this much about Syria? And this

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Speaker 1: does not affect the homeland in any way? And you know,

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Speaker 1: no amount of Charles Lister articles are going to change that.

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Speaker 1: And the I guess that walk me through then how

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Speaker 1: these heroes decided that Victor Yannikovich was someone who couldn't

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Speaker 1: possibly be allowed to continue on his presidency in Ukraine

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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so this is a very interesting question.

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Speaker 8: This comes down this is the mind on revolution of

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Speaker 8: the Obama Biden period there and so what happened essentially

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Speaker 8: was and Jack, I'll recommend to you you watch this

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Speaker 8: great interview with Paul Manifort, the falsely accused handler of

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Speaker 8: Trump for Putin in the Russia gate Oaks, same guy

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Speaker 8: who is Trump's campaign manager. He did an interview with

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Speaker 8: Patrick Vett David, who is I guess a pretty famous

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Speaker 8: and prominent podcaster now, and it's a really insightful interview

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Speaker 8: where he explains that Yan and Kovich wanted to move west.

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Speaker 8: People say, oh, he was just Putin's puppet.

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Speaker 7: Not true.

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Speaker 8: And certainly Manafort wasn't anything. And I don't know this,

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Speaker 8: but I'm saying it would fit. If anything Manafort was CIA,

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Speaker 8: he certainly had the cuff links and the hairstyle and

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Speaker 8: whatever to be like their kind of guy, I think.

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Speaker 8: But if he wasn't CIA, he certainly was not operating

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Speaker 8: contrary to their interests for America's interests whatsoever. And people

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Speaker 8: may have all different opinions about Maniphor, but I'm telling you,

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Speaker 8: you watched that interview with Patrick Pitcains.

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Speaker 1: We've actually, believe it or not, we've actually had Manafort

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Speaker 1: here on this program, and he said very much the

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Speaker 1: same thing it was a while back. I've got to uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll have to make a note with the producers to

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Speaker 1: re up that one, because he said the very same

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Speaker 1: thing when I asked him about Yanikovich, as I was like, look,

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you about Ukraine. We do geopolitics here.

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Speaker 1: What was the deal with Yanikovich? He said, No, Yanikovich

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Speaker 1: wanted to move west. But as Ukraine is this Ugranitza

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Speaker 1: in Russian means at the border, it is the frontier land.

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Speaker 1: It is that that bridge between east and west. And

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Speaker 1: so what he was saying, what mataphor it The way

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Speaker 1: he expl it was he wanted to open up to

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Speaker 1: the EU, but didn't want to completely shut off Russia either.

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Speaker 8: Right, and yet the EU insisted that it has to

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Speaker 8: be one or the other. And I think ultimately poo

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Speaker 8: did too putin sent mixed signals about this, but I

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Speaker 8: think he was pretty stern on it as well. Because

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Speaker 8: he was worried about Russia, you know, protectionist reasons. He

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Speaker 8: was worried about Russia being flooded with finish, cheaper finish

658
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Speaker 8: goods from Europe through Ukraine and undermining, you know, a

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Speaker 8: Russian industry that way, and people in the East were

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Speaker 8: quite a bit concerned about that as well, at least

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Speaker 8: some of them. But so I would cite. Actually, George

662
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Speaker 8: Soros himself said to the Guardian that it was all

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Speaker 8: Angela Merkel's fault that she ruined the negotiations because she

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Speaker 8: was just a bad negotiator and she played too hard

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Speaker 8: of hardball. Essentially, Russia was willing to offer I think

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Speaker 8: fifteen billion dollars worth of loans and the West five

667
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Speaker 8: and it was like barely an for them to roll

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Speaker 8: over their debt and just pay their interest on their

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Speaker 8: debt from last time.

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Speaker 7: And meanwhile they're going to have to slash pensions, slash

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Speaker 7: subsidies for fuel.

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Speaker 8: This is a very poor country, slash you know, pensions

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Speaker 8: and subsidies for poor people so that they can balance

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Speaker 8: the budget on their back and pay the West. And

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Speaker 8: Putin was just offering a sweeter deal essentially, and they

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Speaker 8: make all their money off of Russian gas coming through

677
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Speaker 8: those pipes, so they're already, you know, pretty dependent on

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Speaker 8: him economically.

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Speaker 7: And so Merkel blew it.

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Speaker 8: That was the way George Soros took it, was that

681
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Speaker 8: Merkel had blown the thing up, so he didn't actually

682
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Speaker 8: even officially cancel the deal. By the way, this is

683
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Speaker 8: an association agreement with the EU, not full membership.

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Speaker 7: But what he did was he postponed it.

685
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Speaker 8: But that was enough to set off many genuine believers.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 8: People always say, oh, you're denying the agency of the locals,

688
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Speaker 8: But listen, the truth is, and Jack, I'm sure you

689
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Speaker 8: understand this better than most, that America has done something

690
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Speaker 8: like fifty KuPS or something. I have a ridiculously long

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Speaker 8: paragraph where I list politicians in the Third World, especially

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Speaker 8: who've been overthrown by the United States since World War Two.

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Speaker 8: And in every single case, of course, there are locals

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Speaker 8: who are willing and ready and able.

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Speaker 1: Well, some of these guys, you're lucky if all they

696
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Speaker 1: do is overthrow you, by the way, well.

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Speaker 7: That's right, Yeah, it can't be much worse.

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Speaker 8: But there's always, of course, a local team of people

699
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Speaker 8: who are willing to accept the power. It's always on behalf,

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Speaker 8: not of just America, but on behalf of one faction

701
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Speaker 8: over the other, the faction that we favor over.

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Speaker 7: The one that we don't. And so, you know, the

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Speaker 7: most fun the way, this is.

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Speaker 3: The same thing.

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Speaker 1: This is the same thing that the British Empire used

706
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Speaker 1: to do. And if you go all the way back,

707
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Speaker 1: it's what the Roman Empire used to do. It's how

708
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Speaker 1: Julius Caesar took over.

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Speaker 8: Gall Yeah, and so you know, in this case, essentially

710
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Speaker 8: what happened was that there are people who in the

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Speaker 8: east of the pardon me, especially in the west of

712
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Speaker 8: the country, but really anywhere but maybe the far east

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Speaker 8: of the country who very much wanted to be out

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Speaker 8: from under Russia's chef. So when the trade deal was canceled,

715
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Speaker 8: they took that as total capitulation to Russia and the

716
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Speaker 8: further enslavement of Ukraine under Russian control and all that,

717
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Speaker 8: and they really rebelled about that. They had their own

718
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Speaker 8: opinions about that. But then the Americans came in and

719
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Speaker 8: dumped tens of millions of dollars to support them, and

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Speaker 8: it was all American NGOs and officially you know, usaight

721
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Speaker 8: and ned Iri NDI, but then also many different George

722
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Speaker 8: Soros backed and Pierre oh Midyar backed NGOs that came,

723
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Speaker 8: and they were the ones who supported the whole movement

724
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Speaker 8: which is essentially this giant carnival that lasted for almost

725
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Speaker 8: three months throughout December, January, and February of thirteen and

726
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 8: into fourteen there until essentially what they were trying to

727
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 8: do was push through a deal. The protesters really wanted

728
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Speaker 8: a president to quit, but the Americans in the Europeans

729
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 8: decide what they wanted to do was at least agreed

730
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Speaker 8: to early elections and put their guy in as prime minister,

731
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Speaker 8: which is itself a form of coup whatever the French

732
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Speaker 8: call it. Exactly, it was the American superpower forcing him

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Speaker 8: to capitulate and fire his prime minister and hire their

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Speaker 8: guy and agree to early elections that he would be

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Speaker 8: sure to lose. But then what happened was the Nazis

736
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Speaker 8: in the street refused to accept the compromise and they

737
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Speaker 8: said the president doesn't leave town by ten am, we're

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Speaker 8: going to put a bulletin's head. And it was a

739
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Speaker 8: credible threat. Andrew Kramer from the New York Times said,

740
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Speaker 8: this is a credible threat. The crowd said yes, yes,

741
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Speaker 8: And we know now, Jack that the guy who jumped

742
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Speaker 8: up on the stage and declared that the deal is

743
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Speaker 8: null and void, we're going to murder him tomorrow. His

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Speaker 8: name was Paris Yuk and he was the same guy

745
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Speaker 8: who led the sniper team at the Music Conservatory that

746
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Speaker 8: got the whole shootout started the day before and so,

747
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Speaker 8: and that's widely reported BBC Foreign Policy, alger or whatever

748
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Speaker 8: you call it, the German one.

749
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Speaker 7: And also be any intelenews.

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Speaker 8: They all have that that Paris Juk was the leader

751
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Speaker 8: of the sniper team in the Music Conservatory. Same guy

752
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 8: jumped up on the stage and said, I'll kill the

753
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Speaker 8: president morning if he ain't gone by then, and he was.

754
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Speaker 8: He took off and fled the country. So it was

755
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Speaker 8: and instead.

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Speaker 1: And then after this you essentially get a a small

757
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Speaker 1: group of ultra nationalists who are installed. You have the

758
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Speaker 1: as of Battalion that's brought in as their street their

759
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Speaker 1: street arm, so the street violent arm, the shock troops

760
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Speaker 1: of all of this, and that leads to the current

761
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Speaker 1: regime and the breakup of the breakaway provinces and the

762
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Speaker 1: Russian speaking areas in the east. That's how the Ukraine

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Speaker 1: War started. And there were twelve CIA bases there throughout

764
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Speaker 1: the time. As we talked about earlier. Right back, we're

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Speaker 1: going to wrap up discover.

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Speaker 6: Jack is a great guy.

767
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Speaker 7: He's written at fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it, Go

768
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Speaker 7: get it. And he's been my friend right from the

769
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Speaker 7: beginning of this whole beautiful event.

770
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Speaker 6: And we're going to turn her around and make our

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Speaker 6: country way to get them.

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Speaker 3: So Jack Pisoba here we are.

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Speaker 1: Scott Horton final segment of this provoked how the West

774
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Speaker 1: really led to a new Cold War with Russia and

775
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Speaker 1: the catastrophe in Ukraine which broke out because Russia decided

776
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Speaker 1: to not keep the war simply cold. After what happened

777
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Speaker 1: in Ukraine was in fact a coup spurned on by

778
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Speaker 1: the US. So Scott, in the midst of all of this,

779
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Speaker 1: essentially you have Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and so

780
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Speaker 1: many others. They were running over to Europe saying, guess

781
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Speaker 1: what the final stage of it is going to be

782
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Speaker 1: NATO bases inside Ukraine and the Russians. And you hear

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Speaker 1: any of the interviews they give, they constantly say, we

784
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Speaker 1: are worried about military invasion from the West. Why because

785
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Speaker 1: it's happened over and over and over in our history.

786
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Speaker 1: And well, I'll say this as a guy of Polish descent.

787
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Speaker 1: They do not respond lightly to said invasions and are

788
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Speaker 1: known for their own provocation as well. And so you know,

789
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Speaker 1: I always kind of sit there and say, why would

790
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: you want to pick a fight with those guys? Have

791
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: you seen what they do when they start marching? It's

792
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Speaker 1: not pretty? And why would why would you want to

793
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Speaker 1: do that when they have more nuclear weapons than anyone

794
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Speaker 1: else in the world. And I do want to go

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Speaker 1: back to that as we wrap up, because I think

796
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: you're right, and what you said about President Trump and

797
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: his understanding of nuclear weapons really is what just kind

798
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Speaker 1: of pushes through is so many times when he's speaking

799
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Speaker 1: about Russia and he's speaking about this as you said,

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Speaker 1: I was there when he met with Pout and held

801
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Speaker 1: the Helsinki Summit back in twenty eighteen in Finland at

802
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Speaker 1: the Presidential Palace, and you know, he didn't say it,

803
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: but you could tell that he deals with Putin and

804
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Speaker 1: Hijen Ping and even Kim Jong Noon as we saw

805
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: on that one oh one level, in a different way

806
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: that he deals with other world leaders and partially that's

807
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: because he understands that a powerful nuclear armed nation is

808
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: not a a It's like, you know, like dealing with

809
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Speaker 1: another CEO that you just you can't just push around.

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Speaker 8: And look, I should have said this at the beginning, Jack,

811
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 8: and I'll go ahead and say it now, so your

812
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 8: audience understands real well. And I know they already know you,

813
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 8: and they know Donald Trump and all of that. But

814
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 8: I'm an American patriot, I'm a Texan, and I don't

815
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 8: know really much about Russia and give a damn about Russia.

816
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 8: None of what I say here has anything to do

817
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 8: with talking points that I learned or got paid to say,

818
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 8: or any of these silly kind of tropes, or even

819
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 8: do I have any particular sympathy toward Russia at all.

820
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Speaker 7: It's just it's the same thing.

821
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Speaker 8: My previous book is about how America provoked Alt Keeda,

822
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Speaker 8: their own mercenary terrorists force into turning around and attacking

823
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Speaker 8: the United States of America and kicking off the whole

824
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Speaker 8: war on terrorism, and nobody even bothered accusing me of

825
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 8: simping for bin Laden then simply explaining why he did

826
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Speaker 8: what he did and how he was able to convince

827
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Speaker 8: people to do what he wanted them to do, and

828
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Speaker 8: it was by citing Bill Clinton's sins. It's the same

829
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Speaker 8: kind of thing here. I'm not here to argue a

830
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 8: brief for the Russian side of the story, but the

831
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 8: thing is what we're not talking about Stalin and Khrushchev

832
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 8: and the Red Army and Soviet enslavement. Here, we're talking

833
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 8: about essentially center right conservative Russia that has no real

834
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 8: need or want to recreate the Russian Empire, certainly not

835
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Speaker 8: at the expense of their entire relationship with the West,

836
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Speaker 8: as the current crisis has cost them. They only did

837
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Speaker 8: this because the Americans made them choose to do this

838
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Speaker 8: now or do it never now.

839
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Speaker 7: I'm not justifying it.

840
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Speaker 8: The book is called provoked, not justified, and I think

841
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 8: that Putin did have other alternatives. But I also think

842
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 8: that Joe Biden is a really lousy president, and that

843
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 8: he spent the first year of his presidency in twenty

844
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Speaker 8: one acting all tough while actually demonstrating that he's not

845
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 8: tough and not smart at all. You look at his

846
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 8: absolute catastrophic failure and decision making that really was just him.

847
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Speaker 7: It wasn't like it was just guys on the ground.

848
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Speaker 8: It was his decision to postpone the withdrawal from Afghanistan

849
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Speaker 8: by four months that led to that catastrophe.

850
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Speaker 7: That's a whole other interview.

851
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 8: I could explain it, but it was his fault that

852
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 8: with the withdrawal from Afghanistan went completely to hell the

853
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 8: way it did. And then he's telling Putin you better

854
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 8: not do it. But he's not willing. Throughout the fall

855
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 8: in the winter of twenty one, he's not willing to

856
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 8: really negotiate. Look at his phone call with Putin on

857
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Speaker 8: the thirtieth of December.

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Speaker 7: He's conciliatory.

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00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 8: He says, lad, listen man, I'm not going to bring

860
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Speaker 8: Ukraine in a NATO, not anytime in the next decade.

861
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 8: And I'm not going to put missiles in Harkiev and

862
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 8: threaten Moscow? What am I crazy? And I have to

863
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 8: tell you I think that was true. I believe that,

864
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Speaker 8: but he wasn't willing to put it in writing. He

865
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Speaker 8: wasn't willing because then that's appeasing Hitler, that's giving in

866
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Speaker 8: to the bully.

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Speaker 7: You can never do that.

868
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Speaker 8: So we're just going to have to shout at him

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Speaker 8: that NATO is a defensive organization, and.

870
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Speaker 7: We would never attack you. And he's just going to

871
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 7: have to accept that, and all.

872
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 8: Of his protestations about how his security concerns negate that

873
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Speaker 8: possibility and that he is actually not going to let

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Speaker 8: that happen.

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Speaker 7: Notwithstanding, and you know.

876
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 8: As I talk about in the book, and Biden was

877
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 8: clear about this even in his spring interview.

878
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 7: This last recent early summer interview.

879
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 8: With Time magazine, he said, I'm the guy who said

880
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 8: we're not bringing Ukraine into NATO.

881
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 7: We're not bringing Ukraine in to NATO. We can't.

882
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 8: They're way too corrupt in their democracy and forget about it.

883
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 8: We're not bringing them in. But and there's the same

884
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 8: thing he said in twenty two right before the war.

885
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 8: We're not bringing him in. But you can't tell us

886
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 8: we're not bringing them in. Only we can say we're

887
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 8: not bringing them in, and no other nations security interest

888
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 8: can ever.

889
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 7: Be taken into account.

890
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 8: That would be a violation of the sacred principle of

891
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 8: the open door, which is just some made up crap

892
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 8: that they said in nineteen ninety nine.

893
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 7: It's just jargon, doesn't mean anything. They could close the door.

894
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 8: Donald Trump could close the door six weeks from now

895
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 8: and it would be closed. There's not even really a door, Jack,

896
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 8: it's just made up prap And they said no. But

897
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 8: the principle is no one can tell us that no

898
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 8: one can join. So as far as that goes, we

899
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 8: insist that Ukraine will become a member.

900
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Speaker 7: And that's the war.

901
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: And this is the mentality. This is the mentality that

902
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: sets this up. This is the mentality that pushes so

903
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: many people in the intel community, or in the government

904
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: or the state department down these lines. It is a

905
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: form of hubris, it's a form of self worship, and

906
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: it's a form of delusion. It's just an absolute delusion,

907
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: and it's gotten so many people killed.

908
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: Folks.

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Speaker 1: The book is provoked how Washington started the new Cold

910
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. Scott, thanks

911
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: so much for being here with us and breaking down

912
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Speaker 1: this information that many people may.

913
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Speaker 3: Not have heard.

914
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Jack, God bless.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: As always, you have my permission to lay asure