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Easy, thank you and as always yes. 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Sometimes people ask me if I watched the Disney Channel 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: or that's so Raven or Hannah Montana growing up, and 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: my face goes blank, Babe, I grew up on Bi 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: met in Bacto and one of the most age inappropriate 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: cultural teachers. You can imagine the Mexican telenovela Okay, I 30 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: ate them up, cuddled next to my mom, who my 31 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: whole life has been saying that she doesn't like novelas okay, 32 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: but is somehow always devotedly tuning into one in the evenings. 33 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: I could transport to these moments now, the blue light 34 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: of our boxy wood paneled Panasonic TV illuminating our narrow 35 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: trailer in the outskirts of El Paso, Texas, me cozy 36 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: on a burgundy velvet light couch with a pink floral pattern. 37 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: In th novellas like Corrasson S, a steamy novella set 38 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: in Mexican colonial times with a character named Juan del Diablo. 39 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: It come out the summer I turned eight years old. 40 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: The opening theme is literally a man's hands unfastening a 41 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: woman's corset, then a side shot of a woman's cleavage 42 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: pressing up against a man's chest, followed by a closing 43 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: shot of a man's shirtless on top of a woman 44 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: running her nails across his back muscles. 45 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: Salva. 46 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Now, I'm like, why did my parents let me watch 47 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: this at eight years old? But they did for better 48 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: or worse, And honestly, I think it was for better 49 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: because even before I started to study storytelling as a career, 50 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: I think that a novellas gave me an important education 51 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: mad Through Mari Mad, for example, I learned the importance 52 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: of character evolution in a story who Can Forget when 53 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Talia transforms from a humble coastal girl to a stunning 54 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: bougie baddie. And through a novella like Ruby, I learned 55 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: that every good story needs to have something at stake, 56 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: something to strive toward. And perhaps the most lasting lesson 57 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: I took from novelas is that in a story, altruism, benevolence, 58 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: human goodness shines so much more if it's rubbing against darkness, evil, 59 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: a mega villain, because to be real, it was villains 60 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: who made the story, not the Nina went as the 61 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: good girl protagonists and cardigans and suffering facial expressions. It 62 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: was the villains and their stilettos, their big nineties shoulder pads, 63 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: their beautifully coifed hair that made me want to watch 64 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: cast and for me, the pinnacle of villainy, the timeless 65 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: queen of malice. The most stylish antagonist of a story 66 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: remains so Raya Montenegro Mio, the evildoer in the massively 67 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: popular NOVELA Mariela Delvaro. Soraya Montenegro is so seared in 68 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: our memory as Latino so iconic that thirty years after 69 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: Mariela Delvarrio's release, Soraya remains one of the most enduring 70 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: and relevant characters in the collective Latino imagination. 71 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 4: No noa mesallong. 72 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: And today an homage to the villain who raised us, 73 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Soraya Montenegro. 74 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: From Fuduromidia and RX It's Latino Usa. I'm Maria Coosa. Today, 75 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: our executive editor Maria Garcia tells us about the enduring 76 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: legacy of the most iconic dele NOVELA villain and why 77 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: her legacy tells us a thing or two about what 78 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: it takes and what it means to be labeled an 79 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: evil woman. Let's get to the novela drama with our 80 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: very own Maria Garcia. 81 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into queen villain Soraya Montenegro's role 82 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: and why it mattered so much, you have to understand 83 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: what a hit the novella she starred in was. Soraya 84 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: was the villain for the hugely popular NOVELA Mariela Delvarrio, 85 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: a story about a humble girl from the streets who 86 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: wins the heart of a wealthy heart throb. The beautiful 87 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: girl is played by none other than nineties novella royalty. 88 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 4: Dalia Soria. 89 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: Cantona Aaba Marmon. 90 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: When the NOVELA Mariela Delvarrio came out in nineteen ninety five, 91 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: it was the third in a trilogy of telenovelas that 92 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: have solidified Dalia as the ultimate protagonist the novellas. In 93 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: all of these novelas, Talia played a similar rags to 94 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: riches humble girl gets wealthy and they hate her for 95 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: it d of storyline. The first NOVELA had been Maria 96 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: Mercedes in nineteen ninety two, Maria mercem Familia Mea, and 97 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: then Marie mar in nineteen ninety four. Dalia plays a 98 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: poor beach girl with a coastal accent. Here Mari mad 99 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: Singing Si, and now in nineteen ninety five, Marie La 100 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: del Barrio was supposed to be the culmination of the trilogy. 101 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: The Crown Jewel yam Maria La del Barrios. 102 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: And the directors, two women, Beatrice Sheridan and Marta Luna, 103 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: were looking for a villain that could match Talia's presence 104 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: on screen, someone who could serve evil and serve looks. 105 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: Enter a nineteen year old actress named Itati Canol. 106 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 5: Joe Ira Nai Naikoz tas Itati. 107 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: In an interview decades later, she says she was no 108 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: one in the industry compared to Talia. Idati had only 109 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: had minor roles and a couple novellas before Marie La Delvarrio. 110 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: She was pretty new to the scene and she was young, 111 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: showing up to scenes often straight from the nightclubs. You 112 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: would embody the character of Soraya Montenegro, a beautiful, wealthy 113 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: and erratic woman in the novella, Soriya is in love 114 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: with a man named Luis Fernando, but soon Luis Fernando 115 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: seems to be really interested in Maria La Delvarrio, a 116 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: hustler from the streets who comes to work for him 117 00:09:52,880 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: as a maid. Maria Soraya im idiately despises Maria for 118 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: being beautiful, for being poor, and for catching Louis Fernando's eye. 119 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: Her insults against Maria just roll off the tongue, and 120 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: from there a lot happens. Soraya eventually manipulates Louis Fernando 121 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: into marrying her by sleeping with him when he's really 122 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: drunk and then faking a pregnancy. But when Louis Fernando 123 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: won't stop thinking of Maria, Soria tries black magic on Maria. 124 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 6: In a rage. 125 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: One day, Soraya falls off a tall window when she's 126 00:10:50,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: trying to kill someone else, and then she dies, but surprise, 127 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 2: it was a fake death and she's actually recovering in 128 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Houston plotting revenge on Maria. But she needs money, so 129 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: she seduces another wealthy man to marry her and takes 130 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 2: all his money after his death and tortures his surviving 131 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: daughter with poisonous spiders. Yeah, and after years, Sodyah goes 132 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: back to Mexico to get revenge on Maria. Then, in 133 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: the midst of all her evil plotting, Soriyah finds out 134 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: plot twist her real mother is actually her maid, and 135 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: in a rage, Sorayah pushes her mother, accidentally killing her. 136 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Coming up, Maria tells us about one of the most iconic, 137 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: dramatic and hilarious scenes in delenovela history, plus what delenovela 138 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: villains reveal about human evolution and yes science, staying with us, Hey, 139 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: we're back with our executive editor, Maria Garcia, and she's 140 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: telling us about de Lenovela villains. 141 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: Mariela Delvarrio comes to a culmination and what has become 142 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: not just the Lenovela canon, but Latino cultural treasures. The 143 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: scene in which Soraya Stay with Me finds out her 144 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: step daughter is in love with Soraya's new romantic obsession, 145 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: who happens to be Maria La Del's long lost son. 146 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: Gasps evil step mother. 147 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: Soraya lunges at her stepdaughter, Alicia, who happens to be 148 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: disabled in a wheelchair. Soraya knocks down her step daughter 149 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: wheelchair and all, and then beats up her nanny, who yells. 150 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: Soraya is possessed by the devil, so yes. 151 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: Stabs Nandito, who then famously limps on the opposite side 152 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: of the injury. The scene is still venerated as one 153 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: of the most iconic moments of Mexican entertainment. Ever, it 154 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: has spawned a countless memes, including one with a still 155 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: shot of Itti's face that she's crying and yelling, with 156 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: the title Cries in Spanish. The scene has also been 157 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: parodied by the cast of Orange is the New Black. 158 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: Oh my God, we should do. 159 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: Please, Please, We're gonna do it, Please, says the day 160 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: she filmed the scene, she came to set straight from 161 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: a night out dancing both the drunk and hungover, her 162 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: hair a mess, wearing her clubbing. 163 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: Outfit crude mass. That was it, but you never know 164 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 4: looking at the scene. 165 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: In fact, in every scene, Soraya's makeup, her looks, and 166 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying that as in looks l e w k 167 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: s are immaculate. She was these beautiful timeless long dresses, 168 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: mini skirts with classic blazers, her lips perfectly lined with 169 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: such a nineties mad brownish burgundy color and her eyeshadow 170 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: flawlessly smoked. On TikTok, there are a ton of videos 171 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: dedicated to her style, sorry villain's minds being Hida's fashionistasja 172 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: bolic Custombay I started as spelling novel. 173 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: Old Money, Mexico. 174 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: In the scene where she comes back from the dead, 175 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: she's wearing this unforgettable long black dress with a deep 176 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: V plunge at her chest and a gold belt buckle 177 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: accentuating her waist. To this day, I think her and 178 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: Selena are my most influential style icons. When I was 179 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: writing this story, I had to reminisce with my mom 180 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: my novela companion. I told her how much I loved 181 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: Sodaia's costume design a s My mom says, that's the 182 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: exciting part. Who wants an obvious, ugly villain. We want 183 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: glamour babe. And yes, I think Sodya's beauty and her 184 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: exquisite style were a big part of her allure. But 185 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: I also think there's something deeper there. For one, Sodya 186 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: was smarto Soraya, like other good villains, made your mind work, 187 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: my mom says, made you wonder, what's this switch up to? Now, 188 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: but even more so, why is she up to this? 189 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: There's a scene where Soria's inner voice takes over and 190 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: she's horribly cruel to herself, calling herself an. 191 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: Idiot, a cretan. 192 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: It's clear someone along the way made her believe she 193 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: was worthless unless she was desired by a man. And 194 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: then the contempt she feels for herself when she finds 195 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: out her mother is the maid up. That feels like 196 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: it's making a truer statement about classism in Mexico than. 197 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: Maria's caricaturish altruism. 198 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: In other words, Soraya brought the depth to the story, 199 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: girlfriend made the plot without her antagonism. 200 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: What's left kitchen? 201 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: What's the point of a story with only good girls? 202 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 4: My mom says, we'll be right back. 203 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: Hey, we're back, and our executive editor, Marie Garcia has 204 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: the rest of this story. 205 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 5: There is the Principia a permamal is. 206 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: La mal from the origins of humanity, there has always 207 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: been the good and the bad, my mom says, Perhaps 208 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: to some people this has religious connotations, and there are 209 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: Catholic undertones, and Novella's foreshore like hello, A bunch of 210 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: the good girl protagonists including all three in Talia series 211 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: are named Maria or a variation of the name, seemingly 212 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: a nod to the virgin Mary. But for me, this 213 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: necessary relationship between good and evil, between hunter and prey 214 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: is also rooted in who we are as a species. 215 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: In science, one of the single biggest factors in human 216 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 2: was perhaps the emergence of predation. Nothing boosted biological evolution 217 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: quite like the emergence of predators, because predators force adaptation. 218 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: In fact, one theory of evolution posits that humans learn 219 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: to socialize and cooperate with one another as a defense 220 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: mechanism to getting caught by predators, and the pressure of 221 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: being eaten by a predator also served as an impetus 222 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: for cognitive development. Predators force us to come together and 223 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: get smarter. Look, I'm not trying to assign morality to 224 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: the natural world. The predators are just trying to survive themselves. 225 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: And I kind of think Soraya was too. There's something 226 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: deeply unhealed in her. All she wants is to be desired, chosen, 227 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: loved by a man. So when her husband scorns her, 228 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: laughs at her when she and Maria right over him, 229 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: Soraya expresses a sort of primal survival mechanism, must squash 230 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: my opponent to get ahead. Soria had also grown up 231 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: thinking she had no mother, and she developed an armor. 232 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: She exhibited emotions that the good girls didn't express, us 233 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: poignantly lad. 234 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 5: Da Illino a yesay, doubt, anger, indignation, And in that way, 235 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 5: thele novella villains, as caricaturish as they were painted, were 236 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 5: somehow more human than some of the novella protagonists, who 237 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: honestly sometimes got on my nerves because of how they 238 00:21:48,880 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 5: were flattened to pure goodness. Six then knows. 239 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 4: My Mom says. 240 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 2: The protagonists were often written to be too dumb, too trusting, too. 241 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 5: Submissive, Uumi says, siempreor mostenios Spirto's nostrengthuis. 242 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: Stripped away from their intuition and their agency, like when 243 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: Mariola Delvarrio conveniently loses her memory twice and lets Soraya 244 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: kidnap her. If the villains were the hysterical woman gone 245 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: evil trope, the protagonists were sometimes feminine to the point 246 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: of being clueless. Both of them were on the different 247 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: end of the same binary, and in this limited binary, 248 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: Soraya was allowed just a bit more depth. Yes, Soraya 249 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: was clearly ill. She had morphed into a predator, violently 250 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: eviscerating anyone who got in the way of her ultimate goal, 251 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: trying to prove she can be chosen by a man 252 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: and thus worthy. What preyed on her to make her 253 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 2: believe her value is dependent only on the approval of 254 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 2: a man. She was hunted by the piercing messaging of 255 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: an ill society that she had no value unless it 256 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: was bestowed on her by a man. Soray Am Montenegro 257 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 2: was prey to the patriarchy. 258 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: This episode was written and produced by Maria Garcia, with 259 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: production help by Nur Saudi and editing by Marlon Bishop. 260 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: It was mixed by Stephanie Lebau. Fact checking for this 261 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: episode by Roxanna guire Fernanda Echavari is our managing editor. 262 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: The Latino USA team also includes Julia Caruso, Jessica Ellis, 263 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: Victori Estrera, Renaldo Lanos Junior, Andrea Lopez Gruzslo, Luis Luna Jr. 264 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: Mar Marquez, Julieta Martinelli, Marta Martinez, Monica Morales, Garcia, Jjkrubin, 265 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: and Nancy Trujillo. 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