WEBVTT - Part One: How Avery Brundage Gave Hitler an Olympics

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my gosh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards,

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<v Speaker 2>are you tired? Are you bummed out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just say that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're in that trash can and I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe uh, try doing less fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, speaking of fentanyl, you know the emotional equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of fentanyl, Matt is when you accidentally, without trying to

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<v Speaker 2>have three straight weeks or like six straight weeks of

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<v Speaker 2>stories about pedophiles on Behind the Bastards. I didn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>to write when I started with the Margaret episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing talking about those German pedophiles. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that the next like several weeks just happened. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when I started researching the Thomas Jefferson episodes, I should

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<v Speaker 2>have realized, like, oh no, I'm just doing another pedophile

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<v Speaker 2>I got. I got locked into a bad pedophile loop,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm saying. Man, happens to the best of us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're best of us.

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<v Speaker 3>You're trying to do your regular podcast schedule and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just pedophile Pedophileoh you finally went outside.

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<v Speaker 2>You got fresh air. Oh yeah, yeah, I went off

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<v Speaker 2>roading on a mountain and I came back and spent

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<v Speaker 2>an entire week reading about the Olympics. And I'm I

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<v Speaker 2>am proud to say, Matt, no babies die in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode except for like offscreen, and uh no pedophilia in

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<v Speaker 2>these episodes. You know, we're safe. We're safe. I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a round of applause.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that was laughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the point is, I have a soundboard, but I

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<v Speaker 3>have not figured out exactly which sound does what. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be a test. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, a lot of tests this week. Well that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to promise everyone before the cold Open closes,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a fun one this week. Soay we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to start talking about every Brandage, who was

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<v Speaker 2>the American who kind of ran the Olympics in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and eventually he's going to be on the

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<v Speaker 2>IOC and he's going to run the Olympics for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is just a Nazi, just a real good

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<v Speaker 2>old fashioned American Nazi. I know now I understand why

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<v Speaker 2>I got the call. Yeah, we're gonna have fun with

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<v Speaker 2>this one. Anyway. That's the cold open, ah, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>warm Matt before we roll into this episode, you got

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<v Speaker 2>any pluggables to plug? Yeah, that's right, I waited for

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<v Speaker 2>after the cold open guys, what Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I do have some pluggables. I actually started

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<v Speaker 3>a new podcast, and this podcast is about Israeli propaganda.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called Bad has Bara, the World's Most Moral Podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>as Bara of course being the word for explaining, which

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of a euphemism in Hebrew in Israel for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, pr propaganda. Yeah, and so yeah, I started

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<v Speaker 3>that podcast a few months ago and just yeah, if

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<v Speaker 3>anyone out there is looking for sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>information about what's going on in the news regarding all

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<v Speaker 3>this Israel Palestine stuff, yeah, that's what I've been That's

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<v Speaker 3>what I've been doing. I've been doing it from an

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<v Speaker 3>anti Zionist Jewish bent, so that people can, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>more fully understand what they are seeing and hearing with

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<v Speaker 3>their eyes and why people are telling them not to

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<v Speaker 3>believe what they see and hear with their eyes and ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's fun. That does kind of fit in with

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<v Speaker 2>our subject of today's episode, because as is going on

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<v Speaker 2>right now in Gaza. We are talking about a time

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<v Speaker 2>when a bunch of horrible stuff was being done by

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<v Speaker 2>the government of a country and a lot of other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone just kind of tried to pretend it wasn't because

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<v Speaker 2>it was really inconvenient to deal.

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<v Speaker 3>With the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in this case, the country's Germany. Oh yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to get to that, but first we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of need to start this episode. We really have

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<v Speaker 2>to peel back a couple of thousand years here, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth talking about what the Olympics was.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, and we had.

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<v Speaker 2>To start from thousands of years ago? Yeah, we do.

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<v Speaker 3>God damn all right, when was the first Oh that's right,

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<v Speaker 3>the Olympics is a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gotten back in the Yeah. No, further than that,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the ancient Greeks, right, yeah, different, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they are, they're much older.

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<v Speaker 1>Once upon a time, Once.

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<v Speaker 2>Upon a time, there were these guys called the ancient Greeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they invented Western philosophy, and they invented

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<v Speaker 2>some chunk of mathematics. I don't know which part of mathematics,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember learning that some of math was invented

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<v Speaker 2>by the ancient Greeks. Sure, and they made a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of art that said, well, they did a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>great stuff. They spent the bulk of their time murdering

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<v Speaker 2>each other in really terrible ways. The ancient Greeks loved

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<v Speaker 2>killing each other. But in the late seven hundreds BC,

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient Greeks decided, let's do something besides killing each

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<v Speaker 2>other and philosophy, Let's do sports. Now that it's right

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<v Speaker 2>in between, it's a mix, right, like, everyone fights, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're not going to kill at the end, We're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna you know, you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to give war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this is not a new Sports was not

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<v Speaker 2>a new concept in the seven hundreds BC. People had

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<v Speaker 2>been sportsing for basically as long as we've had cities,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in some fashion or another. Nice but the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that became the Olympics was new, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>all of these cities that are periodically, you know, at war,

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<v Speaker 2>in conflict with each other regularly, we're all going to

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<v Speaker 2>come together and everybody's going to compete without murdering each other. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That is kind of but that's a novel idea at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. The first Olympics. You know, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>dates there's always a little bit of flex in dates

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<v Speaker 2>this far back, but it was probably around seven twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six PC, and it was initially not a great show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a single two hundred meter race, which given

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<v Speaker 2>that ever people are like, you know, if you're traveling,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're walking five days to get to another city,

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<v Speaker 2>you could.

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<v Speaker 3>Die on that walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you watch a guy run two hundred meters.

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<v Speaker 3>I lost three children on my way to watch people

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<v Speaker 3>sprint for a.

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<v Speaker 2>While, my family died, But boy, that guy was slightly

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<v Speaker 2>faster than anyone I'd ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's sad, But also I won five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars with draft Kings.

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<v Speaker 2>With draft that's right. DraftKings first started in seven to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six PC. Yeah, so everyone seems to agree. I

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<v Speaker 2>have agreed that like doing a whole Olympics for one

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<v Speaker 2>little race was kind of bullshit and not worth the trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>so they started adding games pretty quickly. Now, running is

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be a staple, as it is today,

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<v Speaker 2>But the Greeks were like modern humans and that once

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<v Speaker 2>they figured out the idea of big international sporting events,

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<v Speaker 2>they all kind of solidified that the best thing to

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<v Speaker 2>gather to watch other people do was beat the shit

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<v Speaker 2>out of each other. Yeah, and fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean that's so sad because they're probably trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get away from that. Can can you do something like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sportsmanship, like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thist thing from war Running?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, listen, there's got to be blood or else want here.

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<v Speaker 3>These people going to risk thealize of their kids to

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<v Speaker 3>walk all the way over here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally can't even get hard without watching a guy

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<v Speaker 2>die anymore. Like what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Wrestling was added in at the eighteenth Olympiad and seven

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<v Speaker 2>o eight BC. Boxing entered for the twenty third Olympiad

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<v Speaker 2>and six eighty eight BC, and then puncreation was added

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<v Speaker 2>in the thirty third Olympiad.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to explain that one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically, yeah, it's ancient MMA. It's like the first

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<v Speaker 2>kind of MMA, right, Like it's like a proto MMA

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<v Speaker 2>style competition, right. OK, So this is this is what

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<v Speaker 2>eventually leads to the invention of Joe Rogan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as we all know, is an undying immortal figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, he's and that's right, that's right. He's essentially

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<v Speaker 2>the Emperor from Warhammer forty thousands. But he really really

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<v Speaker 2>just focused on fighting sports and male So the ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics had a pretty good run. They're doing this for

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<v Speaker 2>like not far off from a thousand years something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>a little over because they finally died. Yeah, it goes

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<v Speaker 2>like seven seventy six to three hundred and ninety three

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<v Speaker 2>a d thereabouts. Again, these are kind of soft dates

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<v Speaker 2>on the last of the Ancient Olympics is too, But

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the old Olympics is generally blamed on

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<v Speaker 2>Emperor Theodosius the First, who has said to he's a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's one of these big Christian Roman emperors,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said to have considered it pagan idolatry. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that more rigorous scholarship has cast a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>doubt on this because he doesn't seem to have actually

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<v Speaker 2>banned them explicitly. But whatever the truth, whatever specifically kind

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<v Speaker 2>of leads to the fall of the Olympics, they do

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<v Speaker 2>stop doing them right by the time. Yeah, it's a well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't actually like the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not the Olympics is good. I just success that there

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<v Speaker 3>was like the first nerd emperor who's like, oh, no

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<v Speaker 3>sports ball please.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he may have just it may have just been

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<v Speaker 2>that he was banning other pagan shit, but like that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff was less popular than the Olympics, and so people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lied about it. I don't know. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>an Emperor Theodosius the first expert. I just know people

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<v Speaker 2>have cast doubt on the fact that the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>he killed the Olympics. Sure, we'll never know, probably at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate, by the time the Roman Empire, the Western

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Empire falls, we're not doing olympicses anymore. They are

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<v Speaker 2>a fading memory, and they would stay that way until

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<v Speaker 2>a french man with a ridiculous mustache was born in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen sixty three. I'm gonna ask Sophie to get us

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of that man's mustache up on the old

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<v Speaker 2>screen here. Yeah, but his name was Pierre de Kubartine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he became French, by which I mean he was

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<v Speaker 2>born at a terrible time to be French, because when

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<v Speaker 2>he's seven or so, born in like eighteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 2>so he is seven or eight when the Emperor Napoleon

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<v Speaker 2>the third decides, you know who I want to start

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<v Speaker 2>a fight with Prussia and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, he's my favorite guy. He just he just

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<v Speaker 3>went in there and was like, I'm gonna be like

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<v Speaker 3>my great uncle. What was he?

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<v Speaker 2>He was like a nephew. It was like a great uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done the episodes on I forget the act, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a tortured.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he's like, I'm going to do it but

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<v Speaker 3>more shitty and gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Be really bad at it instead of instead of beating

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<v Speaker 2>the Prussians at a war, I'm gonna lose so badly

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<v Speaker 2>that they create Germany. But look at this guy's mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, what a That's a one thing you can't

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<v Speaker 2>critique the man on is his facial hair.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he looks like he looks like he's just railed

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<v Speaker 2>a triple. It's incredible stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Oh my god, this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Every pick click, it just gets better.

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<v Speaker 2>He this man, this man couldn't. It's it's what I know.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually did live out like past the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>but he shouldn't have Like that is an eighteen nineties face.

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<v Speaker 2>He's perfect for the eighteen nineties. Pierre's family were aristocrats,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was their fourth child. His dad and again

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<v Speaker 2>they're aristocrats, so his dad doesn't have to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>for a living, so he's like a painter and he's

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<v Speaker 2>a Royalist. He believes in bringing I think it might

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<v Speaker 2>have been the Bourbon's back as kings, and his childhood

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<v Speaker 2>suffered from the fact that the whole royalist cause in

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<v Speaker 2>France kind of takes a shit after eighteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 2>which seems to have made his dad miserable, and his

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<v Speaker 2>dad seems to have kind of taken it out on

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<v Speaker 2>the family. Unlike a lot of European aristocrats, to Cubbartine

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<v Speaker 2>is going to grow up profoundly anti war. He is

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<v Speaker 2>actually never kind of not unique in this period, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of refreshing, really rare. He's never one of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys who's like, ah, the gallantry of combat, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's earliest memories are like, we got our asses kicked.

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<v Speaker 2>We should never have a war again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we're not good at it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>We had one Napoleon and everything's got a shit since him.

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<v Speaker 3>We had Bourbons, we had the dukedoor leone guy became

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<v Speaker 3>the thing like we can't do any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, Yeah, let's stop. So he's a great student, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Jesuit school, which is like those that's the

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<v Speaker 2>if you're like at all Catholicy, that's where you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back in this period, but he refuses to

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<v Speaker 2>follow his father's wishes because his dad wants him to

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<v Speaker 2>join the military, which again had been kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>expected thing for folks in his chunk of the aristocracy.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time he's a young adult, de Coubartine has

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<v Speaker 2>decided he wants to study law and history, and he

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<v Speaker 2>seems to have kind of thoroughly concluded that like my

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<v Speaker 2>father's France failed, right, like the culture in which I

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<v Speaker 2>was raised in is a failure, and we need to

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<v Speaker 2>make changes, which he's not wrong about. At age twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>he encounters a book called Tom Brown's School Days. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a really influential, maybe the most influential piece of

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<v Speaker 2>fiction and educational history, because it both because of how

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<v Speaker 2>popular it is, like the English boarding school system had

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<v Speaker 2>existed before, because this book is literally about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>in fact it's like fictionalizing an actual English like basically

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<v Speaker 2>principal Tom Arnold, who was like Arnold, Yes, yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Arnold. He has deep roots. Deep roots has also

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<v Speaker 2>been around for a while yes, yeah, and was Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this was the thing he did before he wasn't what

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<v Speaker 2>was it, coneheads? He was in the stupids, the stupids,

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<v Speaker 2>the stupids, Jesus Christ. So this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most influential pieces of fiction and educational history because not

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<v Speaker 2>only does it like create the cultural image of the

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<v Speaker 2>English boarding school system as this incredibly like renowned and

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<v Speaker 2>like it's part of why people from all over the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the world start enrolling like rich people in

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<v Speaker 2>English boarding schools. Right, is the success of this book

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<v Speaker 2>and it also launches the genre of boarding school novel

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<v Speaker 2>as like a thing. So this is literally like there,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like the start of the DNA line that

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<v Speaker 2>ends in Harry Potter is Tom brown schooldays, Right, these

0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.600
<v Speaker 2>are directly related, Like we get Harry Potter because of

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Brown School Days.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the.

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<v Speaker 2>First ya novel. Yeah, I love this, Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it has a lot to do with that. Yeah, Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Brown school Days focused on the Rugby School, which is

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<v Speaker 2>again run by Tom Arnold. In one later article on

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<v Speaker 2>the subject, a guy named Volker Cluges rights. Arnold sought

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<v Speaker 2>to educate his students by including sports and community games

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<v Speaker 2>for Christian gentlemen. I was confronted with something completely new

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<v Speaker 2>and unexpected, athletic education. Kubertine wrote, Now, Arnold actually didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like sports. He's one of those guys where he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually, I think this is kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>at a little common for me. But if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>give boys away to tire themselves out, they'll masturbate. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the best option.

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<v Speaker 3>That it's always someone trying to stop you from coming

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<v Speaker 3>as a team. Well, yeah, the fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire route of like Victorian civilization is stopping boys

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<v Speaker 2>from coming. That's all that we stop this. In an

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<v Speaker 2>article for The Daily Beast, Candida Moss rights Arnold believed

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<v Speaker 2>that in order to create Christian gentlemen, he had to

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<v Speaker 2>replace bad impulses with good. Arnold himself wasn't a particular

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<v Speaker 2>fan of sports, but he preferred it to fighting or poaching.

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<v Speaker 2>If you exhaust young men and produce and promote the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of sportsmanship, you will keep them out of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>So Coopertine, he takes on this and he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take it further. Right, But this idea that like sporting,

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<v Speaker 2>kills bad impulses in young men, right, and he's not

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<v Speaker 2>as obsessed with coming as he is with violence, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's going to become increasingly convinced that, like somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in sporting lies the solution to like all of these

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<v Speaker 2>wars that keep happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I kind of feel that there's there's something to

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<v Speaker 3>that there where you're just like, what if, like instead

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, everyone just like killing a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>people every few years, Like, what if we all just

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<v Speaker 3>fucking had a magic the Gathering tournament and figure it out? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've I've seen some like not quite sports riots,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've seen some like really rowdy fights over sports

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<v Speaker 2>in Germany between like German and French fans. And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought at time was like, well, this is a real

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<v Speaker 2>move up from World War One, Right, this is so

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<v Speaker 2>much better than the last time you guys got angry

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<v Speaker 2>at each other.

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<v Speaker 3>No one's getting gassed, you know, everyone is just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like using a couple of teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>What an innovation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper teen spent the eighteen eighties traveling around the world

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<v Speaker 2>through the US and UK and Switzerland and meeting all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of advocates for youth sports and sporting organ associations.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly influential was a meeting with the Peace League, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is an activist group who taught that boxing was

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<v Speaker 2>a great way to like prevent war, right like if

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<v Speaker 2>you if and I guess partly, yeah, I get that,

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<v Speaker 2>like giving people a healthy outlet for physical aggression could

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<v Speaker 2>be useful in that, but also there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>head injuries that come with boxing, and we know that

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<v Speaker 2>head injuries, yeah, can contribute directly to war.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, listen, this is it's a there's a pros and

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<v Speaker 3>cons to this idea. But I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you know you can see the logic stop war.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they were ultimately wrong, yes, but I get

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<v Speaker 3>trying it out for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like, yeah it is. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things I both want to make some bit jokes because

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<v Speaker 2>of how like wrong this guy is, but also I

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<v Speaker 2>can see the logic like at the time, you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. It's it's not dumb or like a shitty

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<v Speaker 2>for like wanting this to work. I also wish it

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<v Speaker 2>had worked.

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<v Speaker 3>It's better logic than you know, Oh, this will stop

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kids from coming. Yeah, that's that of course

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<v Speaker 3>is not going to bed. Well, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what their thought process is because I've never been too

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<v Speaker 3>tired to janet.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no young man ever has been, No

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<v Speaker 2>young man has ever been.

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<v Speaker 3>We all always have a little extra room for jell O,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's it's also like he's got better logic

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<v Speaker 2>than the guys who are like, well, we've built the

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<v Speaker 2>least gun ever, surely this will stop war.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No one's gonna want to get in front of

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<v Speaker 3>one of these guys. So war's over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No one's going to feed an entire generation of

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<v Speaker 2>their young men into these things.

0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.920
<v Speaker 3>We built a giant human meat grinder. Anyways, war is

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<v Speaker 3>over now, right, pulling more men into it all cruel fate.

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<v Speaker 2>So Cooper teen wrote that boxing could be a peacemaker

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<v Speaker 2>and still you know again, this, this whole process is

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<v Speaker 2>what culminates in him being inspired to revive the Olympics. Right,

0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:40.439
<v Speaker 2>he revives the Olympics because he has this messianic belief

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<v Speaker 2>in the power of sports to end global conflict. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's mostly when he talks about ending war,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not talking about ending all these little colonial wars.

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<v Speaker 2>He's primarily talking about like avoiding another European war, right, yeah, right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, the war that's that will cost more lives

0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.160
<v Speaker 3>for you know, his own people. Where's the nice colonial war?

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<v Speaker 3>Is just like no, that's just a simple eradication. Yeah,

0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.240
<v Speaker 3>we don't even hear about that on the news, really exactly,

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.240
<v Speaker 3>that's not even people don't worry about that. Shaw, you

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<v Speaker 3>kill all them.

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<v Speaker 2>So, as Da Kobertine wrote, let us export rowers, runners

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and fencers. There is the free trade of the future,

0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.879
<v Speaker 2>and on the day when it is introduced within the

0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.960
<v Speaker 2>walls of old Europe, the cause of peace will have

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<v Speaker 2>received a new and mighty stay. Sure, it's a nice idea. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually he convenes a Congress eighteen and obviously I am

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<v Speaker 2>YadA YadA ing a lot about this process because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to get into the weeds of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>they have a Congress in eighteen ninety three to decide,

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<v Speaker 2>like he and a bunch of other folks who are

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<v Speaker 2>part of like major sporting organizations in the West, how

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to revive the Olympic Games?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>It is decided that these games should be for amateur

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<v Speaker 2>athletes only, not paid professionals. This is the first of

0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.600
<v Speaker 2>what are going to become mini breaks with the original Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>In the ancient Greek Olympics, there was no rule against

0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>them making money for winning, right, you could bet on

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<v Speaker 2>ship like. They didn't have any problem with that. There's also,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as we know, there were no rules against doping. Now,

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.320
<v Speaker 2>doping was different in ancient Greece. We know that they

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>would like eat a lot of beef because they thought

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>it was like it worn't the way steroids.

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:17.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you eat a lot of beef, then

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you become strong as how everyone knows it's simple.

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, beef makes you cowstraw.

0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you eat whole horse, you become run as

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:31.280
<v Speaker 3>fast as horse. It's simple logic. Everyone knows you could

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<v Speaker 3>fly real hard. Everybody knows this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. The other thing I should notice that, like at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of the revived Olympics, there are no rules

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<v Speaker 2>against doping, and in fact, people are going to do

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<v Speaker 2>lots of drugs in the early Olympics and it's fine. Yeah,

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Early Olympics. Yeah, you know, that's they they were figuring

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<v Speaker 3>it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's considered it actually may have been less common then

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<v Speaker 2>just because it was considered ungentlemanly, but it wasn't like

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>forbidden for a while, right, And so a lot of

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.000
<v Speaker 2>times people wouldn't do dope just because it wouldn't dope

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 2>just because like, well I am a gentleman, you know.

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, there's a lot of confusion in trying to understand

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>what the Olympics were meant to be when they were revived,

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<v Speaker 2>in the use of the word amateur, because like if

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<v Speaker 2>I were, say it were to say, oh, that golf

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<v Speaker 2>player is a real amateur, you would interpret that to mean, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not very good, right, yeah, you would not. An

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 2>average person would never look at a world class Olympic

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.400
<v Speaker 2>gymnast and go, wow, what an amateur? Right, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just not how we use that word. Yes, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, that word

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.359
<v Speaker 2>had a very different meaning. And I want to quote

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<v Speaker 2>from an article for Vice by la Jennings here. Sports

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteenth century remained a luxury of the middle

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 2>and upper classes, with lower class athletes routinely excluded from participation.

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>The rules for the eighteen seventy eight Henley Regatta declared

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.160
<v Speaker 2>no person shall be considered an amateur orsman or sculler

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 2>who is or has been by trader employment for wages,

0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 2>a mechanic, artisan, or aborer. Sports historian Alan Gutman explains

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 2>that in its earliest institution, rules of amateurism were invented

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 2>by the Victorian middle and upper classes to exclude the

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 2>lower orders from the play of the leisure class.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that sounds about right though. That's yeah, that's

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of what it is. I mean. Listen, yeah, whenever

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 3>people talk about, you know, NCAA basketball players like trying

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.679
<v Speaker 3>to get a little bit of money for their the

0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 3>fact that these schools use their images and sell merch

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 3>based on them, but they can't make a single dime,

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 3>it does feel very similar. It's like, no, we've put

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 3>these rules in place so that you stay poor, yeah,

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 3>and we can make some money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And that is we are talking about the

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>origins of why the NCAA be that way, right, Like

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 2>that all has its roots in this and in fact,

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the bastard for the avery brundage is the guy who

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 2>is like has a major role and why the NCAA

0:23:56.040 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 2>adopts those like student athlete regulations. Yeah, but it's important

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to know that like kind of where we are now

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 2>with like these student athletes, and it's like, well, you know,

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>we can make millions of dollars off of you, and

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.639
<v Speaker 2>you can mortgage your body and your future health, but

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>you can't make any money off of it because then

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't be an amateur. That has its origins, and

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.679
<v Speaker 2>like the origins of that are these rich people being like, well,

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 2>poor people like sports too, and they're often better at

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 2>them than us. So let's just say, if you make

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 2>money doing anything, you can't compete with us. If you

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>have to work for a living, you can't. You can't

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>play our games. These are just for amateurs.

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 3>That is exactly why it was an invented. Absolutely were

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 3>just like, man, these guys are way too good at rowing.

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And to be fair, Kopertine and the Olympics

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 2>are actually a step forward from this very regressive. It's

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>still regressive by modern standards, but from these you know

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.200
<v Speaker 2>that eighteen seventy eight, we like, yeah, nobody can take

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 2>part in this if you have to work for a living. Right.

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:57.919
<v Speaker 2>Quote when Peer de Kubertine called for the revival of

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the Olympic Games in eighteen ninety two, primary discussion amongst

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the elite group of educators and public figures who formed

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 2>the first version of the Olympic Committee was to determine

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.439
<v Speaker 2>who would be allowed to compete in the games. In

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>other words, who counts as an amateur, because this word

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 2>is still very important to them, but they are going

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to kind of redefine it.

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Initially it had meant like, well, only rich people can

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 2>have the time to become world class athletes because they

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>don't have to, like work for a living. And it's

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.880
<v Speaker 2>going to evolve through this period. In eighteen ninety four,

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the workers rights movement has made enough inroads that even

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the kind of out of touch elites that Da kuber

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Teen works with to start the Olympics, they're not going

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 2>to say if you have to work for wages, you

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 2>can't compete, right, But they are going to try and

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 2>exclude working class people anyway by basically saying you just

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>can't make money from sports, right, which still excludes people

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>because only rich people can afford to like practice enough

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to become world class without ever making money on it. Right,

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>it still mostly excludes people. I mean, I don't know,

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean I guess it's like someone if they run

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.159
<v Speaker 2>for a living because they have a job as you know,

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a circus performer running away from this crazy, crazed lion.

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 2>But like, for the most part, it's like, yeah, no

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>one's playing basketball on any other level except for right

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 2>professionally for money. Yeah, and there is there's also a

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>degree of a legitimate concern, which is that these guys,

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 2>as much as they hate to admit it, recognize that,

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>like pro boxers are always going to be better like

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and most pro boxers are like poor people who came

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 2>up fighting like the nastiest kind of fights you can

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 2>fucking conceive, right, yea to be able to become like

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of money as a boxer, that guy,

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>some like rich dude is like the fourteenth Earl of

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 2>chong Seberry or whatever. That guy is going to get

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>his skull turned into powder by eighteen nineties. Mike Tyson, Right, we.

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Must ben anyone who does it professionally less we get

0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.719
<v Speaker 3>our heads mashed in by an irishman.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a man whose ears are entirely calliflower.

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's not allowed.

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 2>No, he can't compete, No, no, not.

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Eventually they come up with a new definition for amateur,

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>which is somebody who is profited specifically for their participation

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 2>in a sport that they want to compete in for

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics. As Alan Goodman notes, through most of the

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>twentieth century, amateurism was defended with the argument that fair

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 2>play and good sportsmanship are possible only when sports are

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>in athlete's avocation, never his or her vocation. Kind of

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 2>what's going on here, We're going to see this with

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>when we finally do get to Avery Brundage. There's this

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 2>attitude among like the wealthy and the aristocracy, who all

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of money, that there's something gross about capitalism.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Still they are the winners of this system, but they

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>recognize that like the way in which we compete under

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.360
<v Speaker 2>capitalism kind of ruins fun stuff.

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 3>But the way of doing that yeah you know, yeah,

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 3>yeah that's true.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but their way of dealing it with it is

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to just try to keep poor people away. Yeah. So

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the first actual Olympics is going to hit in eighteen

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>ninety six. It is, you know, more gender woke than

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the original Olympics. Women had not been allowed to participate

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 2>in the original Olympics. The ancient Greeks not really big

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 2>fans of women.

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they didn't even fuck them have Yeah, not.

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Really not famous for that, so they you know, the

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 2>new Olympics is going to be a lot better at that,

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>but it is biased heavily towards men and women of means.

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>In the longer term, the fact that this veneration of

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>amateurism is initially bundled up in the heart of the

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>whole idea will provide an opportunity for Olympic officials to

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>exact execute petty grievances and fuck with athletes they don't

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>like for whatever reason. We are talking bullshit, power trip stuff,

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>and the king of that kind of shit is going

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>to be the future International Olympic Committee President, Avery Brandage.

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 2>We finally got into our bastard. So that's take an

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>ad break here and then we'll come back to talk

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>about Avery. We're back. Do you like the Olympics, Matt

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>like watching them and stuff? This is an Olympic year,

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I don't like them, nor watch them, but

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 3>when it's on, it's something that like occasionally I'll just

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 3>like turn on a TV and I'll be like, oh

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 3>shit losing, you know, or like, oh that guy's doing

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 3>a shot put, and I'll sit and watch for a second,

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 3>and then I'll think to myself, like, how the fuck

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 3>did they fill up all those seats? Yes, usually the

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>question I have, But I don't mind people who love it,

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, if you like watching people throw a

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 3>javelin like power to you. I wish I was that

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>easily entertained.

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm torn because, like you, I don't really like

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>watching the Olympics, and I also recognize that they often

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>destroy the cities that they're hosted in one hundred Yeah,

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I kind of think we should have just picked one

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>place to do them and right, yeah, and destroyed that

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and destroyed that. Yeah, really fuck up a single city

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>in Greece. Yeah, exactly.

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're not using.

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>It, no, or do it in like downtown Dallas. Just

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>absolutely annihilate, like force all of these international dignitaries to

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>get on the fucking high five for seventeen and a

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>half hours.

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 3>They gotta go to Dallas two years fucking Dallas.

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Just absolutely take take one of the worst traffics that.

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're trying to do it in La that

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>that won't be any better.

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I was. My mom prides herself in letting me know

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>that I was conceived during the eighty four Olympics.

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but which event I don't know.

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to she just says it. I run away.

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know where she fucked and during

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>when I don't. Don't take this the wrong way, but

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>you do seem like a shot put baby.

0:30:59.360 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't take that.

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean that as a compliment. Yeah, that's yeah for sure,

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>honest sport.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, top heavy guy. Let's see what you're saying.

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mate that.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 3>So balls of steel that's what you read.

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, there we go. Avery Brundage, let's talk about Avery.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Born on September twenty eighth, eighteen eighty seven, in Detroit, Michigan.

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Avery would be nine years old for the

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>very first Olympics. He was one of the people the

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>aristocrats behind the early Olympic Games actually wanted to keep

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>out because he is definitely working class. He's going to

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>be very rich, but he is born a working class kid.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>His dad is a stonecutter.

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like that's the og working class.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the original fucking working class job. Yeah, stonecutter

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 3>and pitt digger.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And in classic working class fashion, his father abandons the

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>family when Avery is five, which is a thing people

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>could get away with a lot more easy, but easily

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>back before the internet.

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can just walk, just leave.

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he goes for a packet of smokes. Where's that gone?

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Forever?

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Gonna?

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Who are you gonna ask?

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>You're the man of the house now, Avery, I hope

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what all taxes. Avery has one younger brother, Charles,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and they spend their early childhood bouncing around with relatives.

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>We don't get a lot of context is how this

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 2>impacted him, but it doesn't interfere with his schooling. He

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>is an excellent student. He wins an essay contest in

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh one at age thirteen that secures him a

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>trip to see President McKinley's second inauguration. Yeah, he really

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 2>got in on the McKinley train right before the end

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of it. There is that the one who oh, yeah, yeah,

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>get he gets got yeah Anton shoh gosh.

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like an anarchist kills him.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>There was That's the one one that we got. Yeah,

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a there's a pretty good song from a musical

0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>about that, sung by Doogie Howser, So check that one out. Yeah,

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>in general, aside from the dad abandoned them thing. He's,

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, not a bad early nineteen hundreds childhood. He survives,

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 2>so that's doing good. You know, he makes it past

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 2>all the cholera and the Spanish flu, so you know,

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 2>he's not doing bad. He makes a living as a teenagers,

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>like a boy delivering newspapers. It's kind of unclear to

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>me how poor he really is. One source I've read

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>claims he had to sell newspapers to help his mother

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>buy bread, and that when he got into sports in

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>high school he had to build his own equipment to

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 2>be able to play. I kind of have come to

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 2>think some of this is myth making right. He is

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>definitely working class, but he has a big family that

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>seems to have been very supportive of he and his brother.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And his uncle Ed is the Republican leader of Chicago's

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>North Side during a time that means you are taking

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>every bride conceivable like his his His uncle Ed is

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the Attorney General of Illinois. Eventually that man is Batman

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>is getting so bribe.

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no way, okay, this is really poking holes

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>in the whole working class here thing here.

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So one thing everyone agrees upon is that Brundage

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>was an exceptional athlete. He becomes a track star near

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the end of his public school life, and when he

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>graduates and moves to the U of Illinois to study

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 2>civil engineering, he plays basketball and continues to do track.

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.479
<v Speaker 2>He is sort of a stereotypical jock. He's a popular kid.

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>He's the leader of his fraternity. He's one of those

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>guys who would have posted quotes from Friday Night Lights

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>on their Facebook wall every hour and a half if

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 2>he had lived to see the modern era.

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 3>So a cool guy, So a cool guy, cool guy,

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 3>My favorite guy from high school. Why is that to

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 3>show that?

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Because I grew up in Texas, Sophie, No, it is

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a vibe.

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 3>That's great.

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 2>My high school sports stadium was more expensive than most

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 2>state sports stadiums, and my high school didn't not have

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a good football team. That's just we just had a

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>ten million dollar stadium because you do. Yeah, like you've

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>got to be ready in case someone gets good. Yeah,

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>so you might have a kid who's really good at

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>some point, or that.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>You find Kyle Kyle Chandler to be very handsome.

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Man, I don't even know who that is.

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Both things can be true. Sophie.

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I saw Sophie. I didn't watch my parents watch that show.

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I avoided it, like the plague. I just know what

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>it means to people speaking of what sports means to avery.

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Since they don't have Facebook, he has to settle with

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>writing articles for his school paper.

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 3>In Facebook, he would have found his dad.

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>He would have found his dad. But no, but no,

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>So he's got to write shit like this, which I

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 2>founded in nineteen seventy two Sports Illustrated article that's talking

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 2>about his life. One of his contributions was entitled the

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>football field is a sifter of men. No better place

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>than a football field could be chosen to test out

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a man. Here a fellow is stripped of most of

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the finer little things contributed by ages of civilization, and

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 2>his virgin nature is exposed to the hot fire of battle.

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 2>It is man against man, and there is no thorough

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>a mode of exposing one's true self. Oh yeah, you've

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 2>definitely exposed your urgin nature. Yeah, man, football the crucible

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>of manhood.

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Touch one, boob, bro.

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>You want a fucking game that's a crucible of manhood? Uh,

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a Burskashi, the Afghan version of polo, which is

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>played on horseback with the corpse of a goat as

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the ball. That's a crucible of manhood, right there. Yeah, yeah,

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>play some burskashi, right, don't get me this football ship.

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.399
<v Speaker 2>You guys didn't even know what to tackle back then.

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>So Avery is, Look, they hadn't invented steroids. It couldn't

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 2>have been very good football.

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were wearing all leather exactly normally.

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:59.399
<v Speaker 3>You know they were the people were definitely getting hurt,

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 3>but yes, from him, very little, but not in a.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Way that was as impressive as the way our current

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>professional monsters hurt each other.

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you don't know about c Yeah.

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 2>So Avery is a smart kid who's obsessed with sports,

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and like Kubertine, he comes to see them as a

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>potential remedy for every problem of modernity. Now, Kubertine is

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with peace because you know, his childhood had been

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 2>defined by a war and avoiding conflict through sportsmanship. Avery,

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 2>on the other hand, seems to because he is a

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 2>poor kid who makes a lot of money as an adult,

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>he comes to see athletic competition as proof of the

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.240
<v Speaker 2>fact of the wisdom and goodness of capitalism. Right, because

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>he's good at capitalism right, and so sports has to

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>mirror the thing that he has found. Meaning in sure,

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Avery gets a job as a construction superintendent for a

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 2>major architectural firm, and he personally supervised the construction of

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 2>three percent of the buildings built in Chicago during the

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 2>years that he had this job.

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.720
<v Speaker 3>So he is very real money.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>He has. Oh the bribes. This guy's taking my god, Chris.

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Throughout his early to mid twenties, he continued to compete

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>as an amateur, in fact, working a day job completely

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 2>outside of the field of athletic endeavor. Avery Brundage was

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the very model of what the Olympics now meant by

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the term amateur. Now, the early nineteen hundreds are a

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 2>different time in athletic competition, and Avery was into some

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff that I was going to say was very weird

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 2>sports shit until I realized this sport is still a

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>sport today. We just don't talk about it because it's

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of lame. But I'm gonna run from a Sports

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Illustrated article about his chief sport. Although heel and toe walking,

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the discus and shot put were his specialties. He became

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a devotee to the torches of the pentathlon, to cathlon

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and most excruciatingly of all, what he fondly calls the

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 2>old American all around. Now, I'm not shitting on the

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 2>pentathlon and the cathlon and stuff. Those are like really difficult,

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 2>physically demanding things. It's just incredibly funny to me that

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 2>heel to toe walking is a sport.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 3>I still I'm trying to picture heel to toe walking?

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Is it just? Uh?

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Is that gallivanting?

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:11.479
<v Speaker 2>What is it looks like if you did you ever

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>live in a place where like there would be like

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 2>groups of usually like oh, and I don't say this

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to insult them, usually like middle aged women who would

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:18.919
<v Speaker 2>have like a walking group together.

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, speedwalk, my mom, speed walk.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 2>It looks like that to me. But when people describe it,

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>they're always like, this is a shockingly intent race. Walking

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>is actually one of the most intense and physically demanding

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>sports you can do. And I'm sure they're right, but

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:37.479
<v Speaker 2>it also does I don't believe them that the state

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:37.919
<v Speaker 2>of time?

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Did you picture at Hills Park? Yes? I did. It

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 3>was just like, this is the first thing I thought

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 3>of it. I was like, I've seen all these old

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 3>ladies doing the speed walking and I'm.

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Willing to believe it's good exercise by sure. As an

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>adult and president of the Olympic Committee, Avery Brundage told

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Sports Illustrated that an eight hundred and eighty yard heel

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 2>in towalk he did was quote the closest to man

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 2>can come to experiencing the pangs of childbirth.

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, man, it's possible. I don't know, man,

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 3>but I bet it's taxing. But the problem is is

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 3>that you can't think about it without being like, is

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 3>there Olympic crab walking?

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Is that also a thing that doesn't seem that bad?

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 3>I make it silly.

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>My mom did speed walking, and the only thing she

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>ever compared to childbirth was kidney stones, which seems to

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 2>be pretty widely done. So I assume kidney stones are

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.959
<v Speaker 2>a comparable experience in some ways, but I've never had either.

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I've never had either, so.

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.879
<v Speaker 3>I would rather do heel to toe walking than push

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>kiddystone through.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>My heel to toe walk all day long, all day long. Anyway,

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.399
<v Speaker 2>racewalking is still an Olympic event, even though I made

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 2>fun of it. So if you're a racewalker out there,

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we're going to get the racewalking hive get

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 2>really angry at us on Reddit or something. I'm not

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to shit talk your sport, but it's very silly

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 2>that he compares this to childbirth. But he is a

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>really good athlete. In nineteen fourteen, at age twenty six,

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Brundage won the US championship in the American All Around,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>which is like, it's a series of ten events the

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>one hundred yard dash, a high jump, high hurdle, shot put,

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>broad jump, fifty six pound weight throw, pole vault, and

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 2>then that eight hundred and eighty foot walk, plus like

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a hammer throw and a run, all done in a

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 2>single afternoon, which is like, that's a whole thing to do, right,

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 2>That is a that's a lot. He's very good at it.

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Sports writers in nineteen eighteen call him the greatest athlete

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of his day. So that's all very impressive. You could

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 2>look at Avery Brundage's early life as an almost seamless

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>path of success from poverty to wealth to athletic greatness,

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.839
<v Speaker 2>with one gap in his resume of perfection, and that

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 2>gap is this. In nineteen twelve, he partook in his

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>only Olympics as a competitor in Illinois, he had been

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a star.

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 3>But in the.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Olympics he finishes sixth in the pentathlon and fifteen in

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.439
<v Speaker 2>the decathlon. And if we're looking at objective terms, neither

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>of those is bad. You know, Yeah, you made it

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Olympics. That's pretty good, right, you got to

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>hang on in the Olympic village.

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:10.919
<v Speaker 3>That's sick.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to. I mean, I assume they had

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 2>less sex. Bat I assume at least Avery wasn't having

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that much sex. Yeah. This guy about race walking, Yeah

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 2>yeah he didn't. He doesn't have much game. Anytime he

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 2>meets a lady, he starts talking about how he knows

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the pain of childbirth, walk the virgin.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Virtues of heel to till walking. You'll never understand it.

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 2>But he actually drops out of the pentathlon before finishing

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>because he realizes he can't get enough points to actually meddle,

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 2>which I don't know. My kind kind of seems like

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>bad sportsmanship. But I've never been to the Olympics.

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Jim Thorpe, the best athlete in the field at the time,

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>wins gold in both events. Jim Thorpe is a Native

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 2>American athlete. Right, this is going to be very important

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>because later in life, Avery is going to nurse something

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>of a grudge against Thorpe. When Avery becomes president of

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the International Olympic Committee, Thorpe loses his medals, and there

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 2>was like a move to like, come on, give him back.

0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 2>As you know read he was a great athlete, and

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Brundage is always going to be like, no, fuck him.

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 2>He broke the rules right, and some people will suggest

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's because he was kind of, you know, jealous. Still,

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 2>he never got over loosing. Despite his frustration, or perhaps

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 2>because of it. The whole experience of participating in the

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Olympics hit Avery as a sort of religious experience. He

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>later wrote this, what social, racial, religious, or political prejudices

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of any kind might have existed were soon forgotten in

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>sportsmen from all over the world, with different ideas, assorted viewpoints,

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>in various manners of living, mingled on the field and

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.760
<v Speaker 2>off with the utmost friendliness transported by an overflowing Olympic spirit.

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 2>My conversion, along with many others to Kubertin's religion, the

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Olympic movement was complete. And I kind of think that

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 2>what's happening here is that like people didn't travel as

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>much internationally back then it was harder, and he like

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 2>goes overseas as a young man and makes a bunch

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of friends and has an intense physical experience, and he

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:13.359
<v Speaker 2>walks away in the same way people do when they

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.279
<v Speaker 2>go to raves and stuff, now festivals, Right, he has

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.839
<v Speaker 2>that kind of This is like burning man, right, yeah.

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're like, damn you know. It's just like it's

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 3>the only place in the world where you can feel

0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 3>at one with all of humanity, right, and it's like,

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:31.800
<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about. It's like bonoouyeah.

0:44:30.160 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, And like any kind of person who has that

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>sort of experience as a young person, he's going to

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>spend some time convinced this is the way to save

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the world, and unlike most people, he never moves past that. Right,

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.720
<v Speaker 2>It's normal to take ecstasy at a really good concert

0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:46.919
<v Speaker 2>and be convinced that you found the secret to war.

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 3>But like, yeah, right, a few years later taking ecstasy

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 3>just to play some video games at home, and you're

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 3>just like, I have a drug product.

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is no longer as fun as it was.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 2>So it was not uncommon for dedicated Olympians, particularly those

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 2>who went on to work for the Olympics professionally to

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of worship the Games. This is a religion to

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the people who are most into it. It really is.

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 2>In his book Berlin Games, Guy Walters writes Kubertine was

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 2>almost regarded as Christ, and Ballet Latour, who is like

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:23.479
<v Speaker 2>his second in the Olympic committee, as his disciple. These

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 2>men were infalliable because they embodied an idealism that far

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 2>transcended the grubby, quotidian strivings of humanity. It was a

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 2>pagan idealism. It's pageantry, godless. But at Chauvinu's adherents were

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 2>nothing less than fanatics, men for whom no other point

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>of view was acceptable. If anyone obstructed their ideals, then

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>they would be subjected to the most vicious ad hominem attacks.

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So they have a toxic fan base. Yeah, breaking new

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>ground there, the Star Wars nerds. Yes, yes, yes, this

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 2>is like how everything works now, but it is noted

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>at the time as being pretty unique. Right, there's nothing

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.120
<v Speaker 2>quite like the Olympics and it's toxic fan base.

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I told them that I didn't really like the

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.720
<v Speaker 3>heeled to tow running and they called me a slur.

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, they mailed a bomb to my dad's house

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>because I joked about walking not being hard. Starting in

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen, Brundage began to take on more because, again,

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>by nineteen nineteen, he's not old, but he's like old

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>for competitive athletics. So he starts taking on more and

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>more roles in sports administration. He initially takes on roles

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>in the Amateur Athletic Association or AAU, which what is

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>at one point the rival of the NCAA. This is

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where they both kind of come

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.760
<v Speaker 2>up at the same time and they're kind of trying

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 2>to do at least very similar things, and so they

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 2>hate each other, right, Right, there's like.

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm going to these kids off.

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to rip off these children. I'm the pain.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 2>They like to desploit them. They pretty nasty fight for

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 2>a while, They're like there's a period where athletes will

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 2>get blacklisted for playing in like NCAA events or AAU

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>events by the other group. Right, and Avery is actually

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 2>going to negotiate a detente between the AAU and the NCAA.

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And part of how he does this is he offers

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the NCAA the power to certify college students as amateurs. Right,

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, he is the start of all this. Now, yeah,

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>at the point he does it, college sports is not

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 2>an industry in the way that it is today. I

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 2>don't even think it's realistic to say he would have

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.759
<v Speaker 2>conceived of sports period. Isn't like professional Like the best

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 2>professional players of the day are making decent money, but

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 2>not like they're not getting hundreds of millions of No,

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 2>they're not getting anything close to that, right right.

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 3>In fact, he probably thinks it's antithetical to sportsmanships to

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 3>make money off of him.

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes he does. And it's important to note that

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 2>while that is an excuse now for ripping these kids off,

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 2>at his time, there's not the industry behind it to

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 2>profit from. So I do think he comes by this

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>belief honestly, even though I think this is a really

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 2>dumb move. Yeah, I don't think he's actually I don't

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 2>think he's full of shit in the way that like

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>modern NCAA officials.

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, I know they all know what they're doing,

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 3>but he might have been just a little bit more

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 3>idealistic about it.

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, right, And this is a bigger story than

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 2>we have the time to lay out. But the gist

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 2>of the problem that comes from this is that colleges

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.359
<v Speaker 2>are going to immediately realize that taking a hard line

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 2>on amateur status allows them to let kids work for

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 2>free and take keep all the money for themselves. This

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>has led to something This leads very soon after Avery

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 2>does what he does. This leads to some horrific situations.

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to quote from an article by Ellie

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Simpson and Lauren Chang Pratitt about this. Ray Denison was

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>an Army veteran, father of three, and a football player

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>for the Fort Lewis A and m Aggie's on a scholarship.

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 2>In September nineteen fifty five, he shattered the base of

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:52.359
<v Speaker 2>his skull on the knee of a ball carrier during

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 2>a game. He died thirty hours after the incident. Dennison's wife, Billy,

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>filed a lawsuit against Fort Lewis A and M for

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 2>workers compensation. The National Collegiate Athletic Association argued that Dennison

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.399
<v Speaker 2>was a student athlete because he was on scholarship, meaning

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 2>he was not eligible to receive benefits. In its defense,

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the NCAAA avoided such terms as club since that was

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 2>how professionals referred to their teams. The organization added an

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 2>amateurism pledge to every scholarship signing. The NCAAA won the

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 2>case coined by then NCAAA president Walter Byers. For that case,

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the term student athlete is used as legal precedent to

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>limit the benefits and compensation college athletes can receive while

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>playing full time. So damn that happens. Not all that long,

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're talking like forty years, a little less

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>than forty years, But like that is the ultimate result

0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>of what Avery sets in motion. So in nineteen twenty eight,

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Avery is elected the head of the American Olympic Association,

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 2>replacing Douglas MacArthur. The oh shit, not long after that's

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:53.280
<v Speaker 2>going to try a new Korea.

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love that. It's just doesn't that kind of

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 3>put to rest the whole idea of sports being a

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 3>way to stop war?

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 2>When Douglas McCarthy he's out. Avery's in nineteen twenty eight,

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.319
<v Speaker 2>and by this point the new Olympics has gone through

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 2>some growing pains of its own after almost twenty years

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>establishing itself World War One through a wrench in the

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 2>planned nineteen thirty six Berlin Games, the Games had been

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 2>basically set before Hitler came to power, right, I mean,

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>it's not in power in twenty eight, but like Hitler

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 2>comes to power in thirty three, the Games had been

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>set before then. And once the Nazis take over, this

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 2>is going to become a serious issue. Right, but the

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>games even before Hitler is in the fact that there's

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 2>going to be an Olympics in Berlin is a big

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 2>deal for Germany because after World War One, Germany is

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:46.320
<v Speaker 2>this Paria nation, right right, And the thirty six Olympics

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>are seen by the Germans not wrongfully, as being like

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of us re entering the community of Nations. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Everything's cool now, everyone will be normal.

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 3>This is the Weimar guys talking like, yeahly, by thirty

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:05.680
<v Speaker 3>six everything will be so fucking chilled. People will welcome

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:06.800
<v Speaker 3>us with open arms.

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got some problems, but we'll still have some

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 2>figured out by Set City five at the latest.

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'll just be a few years from now, but

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 3>people will still love Germany's in don't worry. So.

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Brundage gets elected President of the American Olympic Committee in

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine, a role he will hold until nineteen

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:32.320
<v Speaker 2>fifty three, but later that year disaster struck. The economy crashed,

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>and Brundage lost his first company and the bulk of

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.920
<v Speaker 2>his fortune on the brink of bankruptcy. He responded to

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.839
<v Speaker 2>losing his money by bullshitting that he was still rich.

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>He describes going about town with quote his my chest

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>out and not a nickel in my pocket. But no

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>one knew except my accountants and secretary.

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 3>He's like, He's like, I'm gonna still look rich even

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:53.799
<v Speaker 3>though I'm poor.

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't know. His monicle just gets bigger

0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and bigger. It's like, oh, I just made more money again.

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 2>He's described as having lost all his money, but the

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.359
<v Speaker 2>way he writes things, I kind of think he took

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a hit, but like he was not on the streets

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 2>or anything, right, he was not. It just like hurt him, right,

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 2>But he does start another company, he does recover and

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 2>rebuild his fortune. I kind of think he just kind

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:20.919
<v Speaker 2>of exaggerates the degree to which he was down during

0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the depression, because it's more impressive if you come back

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 2>from being completely broke, as opposed to like, well, I

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 2>went from rich to kind of struggling middle class and

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 2>then I got rich again, you know.

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, there's no rapper who was just like, started

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 3>from the middle.

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, started from honestly doing pretty okay.

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, I started from the top, still at the top.

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Everything's fine, has always been.

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Fine, either way, whatever the truth is. He would later

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>mock businessmen who lost their money and committed suicide and

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the depression, like, saying that they lacked quote, the character

0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 2>building discipline of competitive sport. Wouldn't have shot himself if

0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 2>he'd done more heel and toe.

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 3>There's all these people jumping out of buildings. Have you

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 3>tried jumping over a hurdle?

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, over something slightly higher than you know you can

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 2>jump over, and seeing how well you do?

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, stop shooting yourself in the head. Stop just

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.600
<v Speaker 3>start shooting, yeah, shooting.

0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 2>By the early thirties, Avery is back on top, and

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 2>we were going to talk about what he does next.

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 2>But you know who's never not been on top? O

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the sponsors of this motherfucking podcast.

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 3>That's right, they started from the top, still at the top.

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:36.719
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna buy some socks or I don't know, I

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the product is.

0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Could be, it.

0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Could be the Washington State Highway Patrol. Either one, we're

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:55.960
<v Speaker 2>back by the early thirties. He's rich again. I assume

0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 2>that seems to be when he got rich again. It's

0:53:57.760 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 2>a little unclear. I don't have access to the man's

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 2>bank statements. Either way, he does get rich again. When

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.800
<v Speaker 2>he dies, he's worth like twenty million dollars. He seems

0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.720
<v Speaker 2>to have credited his love of the Olympics and sportsmanship

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>with instilling in him the values that made his recovery possible.

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.000
<v Speaker 2>But he was worried despite the fact that things are

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 2>doing better for him. He's worried about the growth of

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>sinister socialist movements in Russia and beyond. At the same time,

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 2>he finds himself intrigued by a new political strain in Germany.

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 2>This Hitler chip has some interesting ideas. Fucking hey, why

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:31.760
<v Speaker 2>does it always go back to Hitler?

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Robert Now?

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Part of why it goes back to Hitler is that

0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Brundage is like an Olympics worshiper, and he he comes

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to see the Olympics in somewhat eugenic terms, and in fact,

0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.520
<v Speaker 2>he seems to have felt about athletes the way Hitler

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 2>felt towards Germans and I'm going to quote from Guy

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Walters here. Brundage also saw an olympism an enshrinement of

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 2>his own racist ideals, ideals he shared with the Chicago

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Association of Commerce in November nineteen twenty nine. Perhaps we

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 2>are about to witness the development of a new race,

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 2>A race of men actuated by the principles of sportsmanship

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:11.240
<v Speaker 2>learned on the playing field, refusing to tolerate different conditions

0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.200
<v Speaker 2>than the other enterprises of life. A race physically strong,

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 2>mentally alert, and morally sound. A race not to be

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 2>imposed upon because it is ready to fight for right

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and physically prepared to do so. A race quick to

0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>help an adversary beaten in fair combat, yet fearlessly resenting

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 2>in justice or unfair advantage.

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, such a short trip from race walking to race science.

0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's less than eight hundred and eighty yards. For sure.

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 3>It's a problem with it, you know, just the word

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 3>itself being you're super into race, that's how you become racist.

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 3>God damn it. Great stuff Like I it's it's just

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:52.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say I get it, but it's

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 3>like it's one of those things where you just I

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:59.360
<v Speaker 3>whenever people this is a problem I have with the

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Olympics and general that makes me uncomfortable is there is

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.080
<v Speaker 3>something of a you know, when they say like yeah,

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:08.279
<v Speaker 3>all the nations you know are competing and whatnot, it

0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 3>does feel somewhat like race wars the sport. Yeah, it

0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:17.040
<v Speaker 3>has that element to it a little bit.

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 2>And then it's always made me feel icky. And there's

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 2>this this other thing that, like the Olympics, to Koper

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>teen seems to legitimately have come by his I think

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 2>that this could help us, you know, get past war

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 2>as a society, and I respect those utopian ideas, but

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.080
<v Speaker 2>it does seem like we eventually walk back around to like, well,

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 2>this isn't literally war, but like what do you do

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in war? Well, you heard a lot of kids. And

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I think about like Larry Nasser molests He's not the

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 2>only he's not the only gymnastics coach to have done that.

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.800
<v Speaker 2>And certainly I think about like, oh, you know, the

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the the systematic mistreatment and abuse of young men as

0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.520
<v Speaker 2>foot soldis. I think about stuff like you know, Soviet

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Union doping athletes or like athletes doping, it all sorts

0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of countries, right, like yeah, this this obsessive need like well,

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:01.920
<v Speaker 2>we have to win, and anything that we have to

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:04.400
<v Speaker 2>do to these these athletes in order to allow them

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to win is okay. So let's shoot them up with

0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever the fuck we could shoot them up with, right.

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.880
<v Speaker 3>And creating a lot of this and the shaming of people,

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 3>you know of like athletes, and they're trying to like

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 3>ban fucking at the Olympic village.

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 2>There is the one great thing about the Olympics. That's

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.960
<v Speaker 2>why you get good at sports, right, yes, you can

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<v Speaker 2>eventually someday, nobody some sort of village. Nobody ever became

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<v Speaker 2>the best at a sport to not get laid, I'll say,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly right. Going on, So, the fact that Avery is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of arriving at race science by a way of

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<v Speaker 2>here to tell walking yeah, leads him to occupy an

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<v Speaker 2>awkward cultural position as Hitler takes power in Germany. Before

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler's election, the nineteen thirty six Olympics had again been

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<v Speaker 2>promised to Berlin. After Hitler comes to power, many Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them are Jewish American athletes, but not exclusively.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of just people who don't like Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>decided like, well, now the Nazis are in charge, we

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't participate in these Olympic Games, right, because it will

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<v Speaker 2>normalize the Third Reich and its oppression of its Jewish citizens,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just the Jewish the there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are because it's not just Jewish citizens being oppressed,

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<v Speaker 2>but in general, the Third Reich is doing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of terrible shit, and if we show up there to

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<v Speaker 2>play the games will kind of be handing them a

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<v Speaker 2>win and legitimizing the regime. And we shouldn't, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are arguing this enrages Avery. His

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<v Speaker 2>most prince rigid principle is that the Olympics should never

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<v Speaker 2>be political. Now, of course that's not really true, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he says. But the way Avery treats the Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>is deeply political. He just because whenever he's thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>something he believes deeply, he doesn't consider that politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's not politics, that's just his that's just reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone else is just is just perverting his reality, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the only true reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want to I want to quote again

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<v Speaker 2>from that Berlin Olympics book quote. He also frequently insisted

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<v Speaker 2>that more than the future of amateur sport was at

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<v Speaker 2>stake and shielding sport from political manipulation upon sport for

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<v Speaker 2>sports sake depended the healthy psychological valuation of individual effort

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<v Speaker 2>and excellence that was at the very heart of a

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<v Speaker 2>democratic way of life. Moreover, fit bodies and competitive spirits were,

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<v Speaker 2>in Brundage's view, essential to the continued success of American

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism at home and abroad. But we never acknowledged the

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<v Speaker 2>political coloring of his vision of the Olympics. He regarded

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<v Speaker 2>them as a kind of international mission for spreading democratic

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<v Speaker 2>values and the continuing ideological battle between communism and the

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<v Speaker 2>American way of life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's not political.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the natural. That's a natural state. That's just fine,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just normal stuff. Now, that's not politics, right, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>God is a capitalist. Reality is a capitalist, right, Communism

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<v Speaker 3>is the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>And most people who self identify as a political or

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<v Speaker 1>the most political people I've ever met in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course, that's like, you know, it's the height of privilege.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the a political nature of your viewpoint when you're

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<v Speaker 3>just like, oh, I don't know, I've always felt like

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<v Speaker 3>politics is weird. Status quo always seems cool and great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I back when I lived out in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of nowhere, I ran into one guy who

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<v Speaker 2>identified as a political and actually was. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I believe him is when I told him that

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<v Speaker 2>Hillary Clinton was running for president, he was like, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a Clinton just president?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, and it like, did not seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be aware of the Bush years. But this was

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<v Speaker 2>a man who had been out in the mountains that

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<v Speaker 2>entire time, not really aware, just kind of missed like

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yeah, No, if you're going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>political you have to be like almost literally living.

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<v Speaker 2>Under a ruck.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I literally have not talked to anyone in twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>All my best friends are animals. I really don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what's politics now, You, in fact, are a political sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, all right, so Matt to plug.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you are an a political person like me,

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