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Speaker 1: another edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. I am John Schmulk.

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Speaker 1: if you haven't missiles listening to our Draft season podcast

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Speaker 1: with Tony Pauline, you probably don't have a great feel

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Speaker 1: for this draft class in general. Yet I do encourage

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Speaker 1: you go subscribe to Draft Season. But for those of

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Speaker 1: you that only listen to the Giant Tuttle, wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring in Jeff, who has been with us doing draft

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Speaker 1: of the class and what the John's to be looking for,

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Speaker 1: kind of at that end of the first round area

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Speaker 1: with that pick in round number one, Jeff, we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about the Senior Bowls with your fourteenth or

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Speaker 1: fifteen time down and you've been doing this a long time. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be back in the saddle here. This

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Speaker 1: it's it's all about the off season. It is and

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Speaker 1: it will god less the off season. It's it's time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, normally when we're talking, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Giants being in the you know, picking in the

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Speaker 1: eight fifteen range. We're in the twenties this year. And

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Speaker 1: that that's That's a nice profession change for y'all. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy for you. Yeah. Absolutely, Um, a little tiring without

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Speaker 1: any break between you know, a second round playoff appearance

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Speaker 1: and you're right, it is nice. We're not talking about

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Speaker 1: the Giants last year. They have two top ten picks, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: so a little bit different this year, which would be fun.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we'll probably catch up with Jeff again at

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Speaker 1: the Combine do some combine specific stuff, But for now,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this class. Jeff, give me your twenty

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Speaker 1: draft class? Yeah, sure. I think it's not as top

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Speaker 1: But I think the strength and John you and I

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Speaker 1: which I think is the best position in the draft. Um,

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Speaker 1: the top in general, but there are very realistic questions

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Speaker 1: all right, Jeff, separate for me the Jordan Addison's the

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Speaker 1: I guess sure, But when you look at the skill

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Speaker 1: the South Dakota State with a small school guy, but boy,

428
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff he does down the scene with

429
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Speaker 1: his athleticism, you wonder what his upside is. Yeah with him,

430
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Speaker 1: You're you're thinking, is this Dallas Goddard two point oh uh?

431
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Coming from that that sort of division and that level

432
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: of play and being your number one receiver as a

433
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 1: tight end in college, you don't get a lot of that.

434
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: He's worn that crown pretty darn well. So he's certainly intriguing.

435
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Speaker 1: I want to see how his athleticism tests. I want

436
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Speaker 1: to see him standing next to the other guys in

437
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Speaker 1: Indie just, you know, how does he look because there's

438
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Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of football talent in

439
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Speaker 1: that guy Laporta. You know Iowa tight ends. Um, We've

440
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Speaker 1: dealt with a ton of them over the years. He's

441
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Speaker 1: different that He's not t J. Hawkins and he's not

442
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: fan you know, he's he's uh, he's a little bit

443
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Speaker 1: more of a an inline guy. Uh. I know they

444
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: do use him as a move and man, their passing

445
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: offense was stone age that they it was rough man.

446
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: So he's got more more of a jump to make

447
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: in terms of doing NFL tight end skills outside of

448
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Speaker 1: blocking than what you're gonna see from the other guys.

449
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: But if you're in need a big guy in the

450
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess he's gonna go probably in the third

451
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Speaker 1: or fourth round, depending on his athletic testing. He could

452
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: bubble up a little bit. He actually could fall a

453
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit from that too. If you need a guy

454
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: that can come in and be your inline blocking tight

455
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: end right away, fine give me that. If you're if

456
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Speaker 1: you need a guy that's gonna, you know, go out

457
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: and catch you forty passes as a rookie, it's probably

458
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: not your guy. All right, Let's go over to a quarterback.

459
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Speaker 1: You mentioned it earlier. Then we've had offensive line and

460
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Speaker 1: running back here. Uh, Giants aren't really in this market,

461
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Speaker 1: so I don't spend too much time on a Jeff.

462
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Speaker 1: But if you could just like combine Bryce Young's ability

463
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Speaker 1: to play quarterback and then just like put him in

464
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Speaker 1: Will Levis's or c. J. Stroud's body, I mean you

465
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Speaker 1: basically have Trevor like Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck. I

466
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Speaker 1: mean you'd have an elite quarterback. Is Bryce young size

467
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Speaker 1: the only thing that you worry about when you watch him?

468
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: Because that's the only thing I worry about. That dude

469
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: looks like you know, Drew brees out there. The way

470
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Speaker 1: he moves and finds angles and steps up in the pocket,

471
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: creates space. He I mean, he just bleeds special to me.

472
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Speaker 1: As long as his body can hold up. He's a

473
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Speaker 1: very talented player, There's no doubt about it. His size

474
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Speaker 1: is certainly the biggest worry. I do worry. He had

475
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Speaker 1: some struggles in the Tennessee game this year, um in

476
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati game a year prior, and also in the

477
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Speaker 1: LSU games both years when when he's pressured up the gut,

478
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Speaker 1: he doesn't make the best decisions and he can be

479
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Speaker 1: late to see some routes as well. Now, now, some

480
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Speaker 1: of that is the fact that we were so used

481
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Speaker 1: to Alabama having absolutely loaded offenses where everybody on the

482
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Speaker 1: team gets drafted. This is probably their weakest supporting cast

483
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Speaker 1: for a quarterback in a long time, and you do

484
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Speaker 1: have to take that into account. But he wasn't always

485
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: the sharpest at making the right decision quickly when under

486
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Speaker 1: the pressure. Again that that's sort of nitpicking with him.

487
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Speaker 1: I was certainly take him over, will love us, even

488
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Speaker 1: at his size. But yeah, that he's he's he's really

489
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Speaker 1: good at and it's fun to watch him play. Uh.

490
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Speaker 1: And and you see him in the commercials. You see him,

491
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Speaker 1: you know, interacting with with the players. Uh. He's got

492
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Speaker 1: the leadership, he's got the chrisma, he's got everything. It's

493
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Speaker 1: just he's maybe five nine and a half, maybe five

494
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Speaker 1: pounds is a playing weight. Um when I my suspicion

495
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Speaker 1: is he's gonna show up an India two pounds and

496
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Speaker 1: not do anything, just to show that he said pick

497
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Speaker 1: and you got to weigh that into you know. It's

498
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Speaker 1: it's a tough one for the right team with a

499
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Speaker 1: very good offensive wine that can protect him. He's I

500
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Speaker 1: like his chances, I really do. So do I help

501
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Speaker 1: be one of those guys in Indie walking around with

502
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Speaker 1: gallons of water every where he goes, making sure he

503
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Speaker 1: maximizes his hydration so he maximizes his way, and noe

504
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. All right, par Stroud and Levice for me,

505
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Speaker 1: throw Nentest Anthony Richardson in the mix if you want.

506
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Speaker 1: I think, when all of a sudden done, Levis is

507
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead of Stroud. I think people probably just

508
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Speaker 1: like the armed talent and the athleticism combination a little

509
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: bit better for me, And I hate the scott helmets

510
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: and I don't like doing it. But the tough adjustment

511
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: for Haskins and Fields going from the Ohio state passing

512
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: scheme to the NFL does worry me. To be honest

513
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: with you, you have such good wide receivers there, and

514
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: you know it's just not you know, the things they

515
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Speaker 1: do in the house you can't do in the NFL

516
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Speaker 1: because they're just so much more talent than everybody else.

517
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Speaker 1: So your thoughts on kind of those two guys, and

518
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Speaker 1: then Richardson who I mean, I could see him go

519
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Speaker 1: in tent, I could see him going thirty five. I mean, who,

520
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Speaker 1: who the hell knows? Yeah. I like Stroude quite a

521
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Speaker 1: bit more that I like left Us. And some of

522
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Speaker 1: that is the fact that you know, I, you know,

523
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Speaker 1: being in Big ten country. Uh, And I went to

524
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Speaker 1: high school Columbus. I'm not an Ohio State. I'm an

525
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Speaker 1: Ohio popcat. Cook gotta throw that in. UM. I like

526
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Speaker 1: what Stroud did. I think he was a guy more

527
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Speaker 1: than even Fields that was more constrained by Ohio State's offense.

528
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Speaker 1: I think he can transcend what he was asked to

529
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Speaker 1: do in Columbus. I really do. The physical talent is there.

530
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: He's a very bright guy. Uh. We saw in the

531
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Speaker 1: Michigan game, but we saw it a little bit in

532
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: their bowl game. He could run. He has the athleticism

533
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: they asked him not to do it. We've seen Justin

534
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Fields was the same way. Um, and he he's gonna

535
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Speaker 1: be and fifty yard rusher next season in Chicago with

536
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Speaker 1: their brutal offensive line and terrifyingly inept wide receiving corps.

537
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Speaker 1: I like Stroud. I'm gonna bet on him, but I

538
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Speaker 1: do think that Levis is gonna wind up going before him.

539
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Speaker 1: For like you said, he comes from a more pro

540
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: style ready offense. He does have the physical gifts. I

541
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Speaker 1: just worry it seems like he's just sort of painting

542
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: by numbers at times in that offense. Oh my god, Jeff,

543
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I can't believe he just used that words on our

544
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Speaker 1: draft season podcast. I call him a paint by numbers

545
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: quarterback all the time. He go, yeah, there's a lot

546
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: of that, And I think he I think he can

547
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: be a good quarterback. But I'm I actually I like Cherson.

548
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: Uh and certainly Richardson's upside more uh. And I was

549
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: on another podcast recently where I talked about his development.

550
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: If you just watched Anthony Richardson in September, you're gonna

551
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Speaker 1: think that guy, Why in the world with my team

552
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: draft him at all, let alone in the first round.

553
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: If you watched him at the end of the season

554
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: like it wasn't a straight uphill. He had some valleys

555
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: in that in there. But man, for a guy making

556
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Speaker 1: his first career starts um at a Florida program that

557
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: isn't what Florida used to be um in in in

558
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: an offense that didn't always necessarily play to his strengths. Man,

559
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: the development that I saw from week one to week

560
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: whatever was really impressive, and his athletic ability, his release,

561
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,239
Speaker 1: his ability to adapt to what was around him. I

562
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: really like him. I'm gonna bet on him as well.

563
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be there for the Giants.

564
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: Stat that the Giants are in the market for a quarterback,

565
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: but I I don't think he's gonna be there. I think

566
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone. And I will throw hand and

567
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: hooker into this mix as well. He's probably not gonna

568
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: play in three um, which you know obviously, you know

569
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: rules out a lot of things. Fifty eight touchdowns to

570
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: five interceptions in the STC over the last two seasons.

571
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: That's not an accident. That doesn't happen by a flute.

572
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: That guy is a very good precision passer. Now again,

573
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: their offense, schemed a lot of things up for him.

574
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: Uh and he is older. He's is gonna be twenty

575
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: six by the time he plays in the NFL more

576
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: than likely. That's a tough sell. But man, that's a

577
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: really really good football player. Another a smart guy who

578
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: can run, who can create, who can do things beyond

579
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: what the structure of what he was asked to do

580
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: in college. At least, I believe that. I think he's

581
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: a top fifty prospect in this draft, and I hope

582
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: that he gets drafted that way. And by the way,

583
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I think, I do think Strouds is safer draft pick

584
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: than than both Levis or Richardson. For sure. I think

585
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: he just accurate. He's really accurate player. And the other

586
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: the descript I used for Levis, it looks like you

587
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: took a football player that's not a quarterback and told

588
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: him to play quarterback. He just doesn't. He doesn't look natural.

589
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: They're doing it a lot of the time. But I'm

590
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: with you, Um, I think it'll be interesting to see

591
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: where those guys go. All right, let's go to running

592
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: back here quick. You know, Jon and probably the best

593
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: running back coming out since ku Um. Agree, If you're

594
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: just going by grades, he's probably a top five pick,

595
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: the top three pick in this draft. That good. But then, man,

596
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean just at the Senior Bowl watching these guys,

597
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at probably six or eight guys

598
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: that could go on Day two. I mean, this is

599
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: rich and these are guys that I think can step

600
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: in and start in the NFL right away. Jeff, We're

601
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna have the running back corps around the league just

602
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: really bolstered this year with a really deep class. Who

603
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: are some of the guys you like? And his richest

604
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: is back of Roshan Johnson is a guy, uh was

605
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: very good at the Senior Bowl before he broke his

606
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: hand and kept playing by the way for the rest

607
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: of the game. Um, he's much more of your rumbler.

608
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, ty j spears down there, my goodness, electrifying

609
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: open field speed and abley to catch the out of

610
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: the backfield. Oh man, my head is just like a

611
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: wash with all the guys that are out there. There

612
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: are so many good running backs, uh a million. Yeah. Yeah.

613
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Macintosh is a great one out of Georgia. Gibbs. I

614
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: mean there's so many, yeah, Syracuse. Um, and his name's

615
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: slip in mind is the guy that I really like.

616
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: Uh that there there there are so many running backs

617
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: that can do whatever you want them to do, even

618
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: even some of the like the guys that were at

619
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl and the nflp A Collegiate Bowl, Like,

620
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: there's some very real talent that's gonna have an impact

621
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: in this league right away. It's a great year to

622
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: take one. Um, if you're the Giant slip, let's assume

623
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: that se Quon is back to take a guy in

624
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: the fourth, fifth round. That's gonna be, you know, a

625
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: complimentary back and not necessarily that the Giants even need that.

626
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: But man, this is a year where there are more

627
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: running backs. And by the way, the free agent classes

628
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: also loaded. It's a it's a buyer is market for

629
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: running backs, and uh, it's a great time to need

630
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: running backs. Unfortunately, on the other end of it, you know,

631
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: no country for old running backs. The running back market.

632
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: These guys are gonna get paid what they're probably worth

633
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: or drafted as high as you would think they would.

634
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm fully with you. I think the

635
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: gen Robinson is the best running back prospects at St.

636
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley. He might not even be a first rounder, Like,

637
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: as crazy as that sounds, he's gonna be on on

638
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: the top five overall for a lot of draft boards

639
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: and could be there for mine. And it's tough to

640
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: project him as the top twenty pick because there's just

641
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: so little, like like what does he give? You use

642
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: the analogy like he's a Mercedes S class, but you

643
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: can least a BMW seven series or an Audi A

644
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: seven or the top of the line Genesis, you know,

645
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, two two picks later or in free agency

646
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: for much cheaper than what you can get for him.

647
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: Is it really that big of a difference, which we

648
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: what you're getting with what you're getting with you guys

649
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: down the line, and it's it's such a loaded class, Yeah,

650
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: it really is. If you want to running back, this

651
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: is a good year to to be in the market

652
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: for one for sure. All Right. You mentioned old line earlier,

653
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants they're pretty set of tackle

654
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: right now, Jeff, so I don't spend too much time

655
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: there with Evan Neil and of course Andrew Thomas out there,

656
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: but they could use some help inside. You mentioned those

657
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: cirus torns, and I think we saw a bunch of

658
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: potential plug and play inside guys at the Senior Bowl.

659
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: You can talk about those guys any other guys that

660
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: you think you know are worth mentioning inside and you

661
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: know where you think the sweet spot is for for

662
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: bringing in one of those into your offensive lineman. Yeah,

663
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Day three guys and we have

664
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: the same need in Detroit, we needed starting right guard. Um.

665
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: Former giant Evan Brown is going to be priced out

666
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: of our market. Uh. And and good for him, by

667
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: the way, very very good, scrappy fight. If you need

668
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: to start et center, he's gonna be a good one.

669
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: That's that's gonna get paid in frenzy guys like uh

670
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Broker out of Mississippi. Uh, Jared Patterson out of Notreed game. Uh.

671
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: We saw Darnell Wright from Tennessee. I think he's gonna

672
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna want to playing tackle. But that's

673
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: the guy that I would love as a guard. You know,

674
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: we saw several of these guys down in in Mobile. Um.

675
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: McLennon Curtis from Chattanooga was the guy who really opened

676
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: my eyes. I hadn't seen him play at all. I

677
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: see him out of Mobile and like, my goodness, that's true.

678
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: He's like an NFL starting guards you can get you know,

679
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: in the ninety one twenty range. That's that's a great

680
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: spot to need a You don't need a premium pick

681
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: on a guard. If if you have one to spend,

682
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. You don't necessarily need it, especially when you've

683
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: got a guard when when you when your tackles are

684
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: set and you know you don't have to worry about

685
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: their outside shoulders so much. That that's the nice luxury.

686
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: So I would love for the Giants to tap into

687
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: that mid mid tier market. There's pquite a few guys

688
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: in there in there as well. Uh, there's Ohio State

689
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: has one, Michigan has one. Uh and we Tumbly probably

690
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: pegged primarily as a center and that's where he wants it.

691
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: But if you need to play him at or he

692
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: could playim in a pension. He's a Day two guy,

693
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: so great year need a you know that that middle

694
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: tier into your offensive line. Yeah, Whippler, the highest States

695
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: center I think is the guy you're referring to. He's

696
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: very good. Here's the question, do you think there's a

697
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: chance not one guard center goes in the first round?

698
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: Do you think either Torrens or John Michael Schmidt's might

699
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of slide their way in there. I think Schmitz

700
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: played his way into that and solidified, and he will

701
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: slip fight with his weight room numbers down in Indianapolis.

702
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: He's really really good. I compare him to Alex mac um.

703
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: He's not quite that top end of an athlete. I

704
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: remember going to my first Senior Bowl and Alex mack

705
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: in warm ups on the first day did a full

706
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: splits a pounds and got up without using his hands.

707
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy crow, this is a different world. Uh.

708
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: And he's he's got a shot at at being in

709
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame someday. I'm not putting that on Schmidts,

710
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of stylistic similarities between those two.

711
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna go pretty high. Actually think

712
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: he could go higher than what's expected. He could be

713
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick. Wow, that you know, Torrance. Torrance

714
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: is really good. I think we saw right being really good.

715
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: But that I don't think those guys they could go

716
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: in the twenties. They could also go in the in

717
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: the thirties, in the early forties. Again, because there's such

718
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a glut of guys in that next tier below it.

719
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: And again, the difference between having a premium starting right

720
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: guard or center and having a like B plus level

721
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: um isn't that great on your football team. Like, that's

722
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: not where you want your difference makers necessarily to be so.

723
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: And I think the NFL is catching onto that. You know,

724
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: it's great to have them if you can get them,

725
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: but you don't necessarily need them to be an effective offense.

726
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: Scronski a guard in the NFL, And is there any

727
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: the Giant. Uh, he's got a shot at his arms

728
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: are small? No, I know they're short. There are a

729
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: guy at that height that that you know you're looking at.

730
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: You know the it's not a t rex, but it's

731
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: not exactly a pterodactyl either baring diitos or arms. He's

732
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: really really skilled and well coached. And I think that's

733
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: gonna get him out of I think he's gonna be

734
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: off the board before the Giants picked. And I do

735
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: think that the team is gonna try him at tackle

736
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: um and and make him prove that he can't play

737
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: tackle before they move him inside. No question about it.

738
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: All right, that's the offense, Jeff, Unless there's anything else

739
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: you want to put out there about the offensive side

740
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: of the ball before I shift over to D here. No,

741
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: we're good. All right, let's let's let's go over the defense.

742
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: Let's start the outside and we really get cornerback. So

743
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: how about the safety class? You know, I think we

744
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: got a good mix of guys here. We kind of

745
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: see some of those safety swat combo guys, um a

746
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: little bit. So your idea on the class, and you

747
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: know they come in so many shapes and sizes and rolls. Now,

748
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: how you kind of separate the guys out that way? Yeah?

749
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: I like Brian Branch quite a bit as your hybrid guy,

750
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: your guy that can play as your slot cornerback as

751
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: well as an off ball free safety. UM. Probably don't

752
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: want to play a single high Um. We saw a

753
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: few guys down uh in Mobile that I thought showed

754
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: out pretty well. Brown from from Illinois as a guy,

755
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: he's much more of your Jabriel Pepper's edge safety type

756
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: of guy. UM. Not that they used Jabrill like that

757
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, but you know, I think you get the

758
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: idea of New York of where he's used and and

759
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: Brown reminds me of quite a bit of him. Uh,

760
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: the ball Hawks safety doesn't necessarily exist in this class,

761
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of weird. Um. And if they do,

762
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: it's the lower tier guys and more developmental guys that Okay,

763
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna get four interceptions for me, but

764
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: is he gonna give up eight touchdowns? Can you tackle

765
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: a tight end in space at all? Um? And there's

766
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are in that boat. And

767
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm still sorting through those guys. Uh, but there's it's

768
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: a good I think class to need a developmental guy

769
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: that you want to bring up in a specific role. Um.

770
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, the top and safety Kyle Hamilton isn't in

771
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: this last but I'll refer to my Lions again here.

772
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: They got Kirby Joseph in the third round last year. Uh.

773
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: That guy is a future standout starter and you're looking

774
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: for that guy. And again it's gonna be about Kenny

775
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: fit into your scheme. What do you need your safety

776
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: to do? Um? If you need a box safety, I'm

777
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: not sure this is a great box safety class beyond

778
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Brown and and a couple other guys. But uh no,

779
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: as far as like roaming safeties, that's what we're gonna

780
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: have to find the right guy for your scheme, your

781
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: coach specifically, and and his mentality and this fit and

782
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: exactly what you needed to do. Um I saw. I'm

783
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: just getting into the safety class right now. As an evaluator,

784
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: I will tell you the missed tackles from this class

785
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: for fairly alarm me. Yeah, and that's what you don't

786
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: want out of a safety, right your last line defense

787
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: and he can't be missing. Yes, safety means something, Yes,

788
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: that does all right? Uh? Inside linebacker off ball, This

789
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: is kind of jeff one of those positions. I think

790
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: the Giants could really targeting here. Uh. They kind of

791
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: are mixing guys in and out. I mean they brought

792
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Jared Davis over from the Lions at the end of

793
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: the year, and I think around Christmas Eve he started

794
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: there two playoff games. That's how desperate they wore for

795
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: inside linebackers. So take us to the class. Is there

796
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: going to be someone worth the bank for the bucket

797
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: twenty five or is that something you're gonna have to

798
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: tackle later. Brew Sanders is a very interesting one to be.

799
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: I like him a lot coming out of Arkansas. He's

800
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: a player that has a lot of upside For me,

801
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: as a guy who can pass rush and a gap blitz. Uh.

802
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: He's he's certainly interesting. Jack Campbell is interesting out of Iowa.

803
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: I like the day, day to day three hybrid guys.

804
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: Diane Henley out of Washington State is the guy that

805
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: interests me. Uh. There's I'm blanking on a couple of

806
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: the other guys, but there there are functional guys. It's

807
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: a smaller class to toa overshown Over is another guy. Um,

808
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I think he's probably a great run and chase linebacker.

809
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Not necessarily you're not getting You're not kidding, Mike Singletary

810
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: in this class. You're not getting uh uh, Patrick Willis.

811
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: The bigger guys aren't really in this past. There's a

812
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: lot of the hybrid safety court or safety linebacker guys

813
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: that that can turn run cover a little bit. Um,

814
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: that's where this class is strong. You're not probably not

815
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: getting the three down linebacker. I'm not sure that it

816
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: exists a lot in the NFL to begin with anymore.

817
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: And I don't think you know that there there's a

818
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: preponderance of guys in this class that will do that

819
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: for you either. You mentioned Campbell, who I think is interesting.

820
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: Is he one of the guys that you think can

821
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: be one of the few guys that can be a

822
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: two way tight enday tight end, two way linebacker in

823
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: this class. Yeah, because in part because he can go

824
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: out and cover a tight end, but he can also

825
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: stay in the box and be an asset and run defense.

826
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: The big thing with him is Iowa protected him a

827
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: old tongue with a very good defensive line. Um, if

828
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: you're NFL team can't do that, how well does he

829
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: fit that for you? And there's a few guys that

830
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: fall into that that box this you're the you know, Okay,

831
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: the defensive line that was in front of them was great,

832
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: kept them clean and they were free to run around

833
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: overshowing somewhat of that. And Trent Simpsons probably in that

834
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: category to right at a Clemson Yeah, definitely. Trent Simpson

835
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: is a guy. He there's some mistackles on film for him.

836
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: There's some misassignments on film for him. Uh. I think

837
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna go higher than I will probably rank him.

838
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: He's a very heavy player. Um. But he he also

839
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: one of the big things that I watched when I'm

840
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: watching linebackers his body control. Um. And Jared Davis relates

841
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to this. He can get from point A to point

842
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: be really fast, but if he's got to go from

843
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: point B to point ce quickly, can he get there?

844
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see that. With Trent and Simpson. I

845
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: see a lot of overshot angles. Uh, and those worry me. Um,

846
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: as a guy that you know watches linebackers um in Detroit, Cleveland,

847
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: and Houston do that very consistently over the last few years.

848
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: Can you stop yourself? Do you have the body control

849
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: where the running back's gonna make a cut, can get

850
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: him on the ground. From where I'm at, Do I

851
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: fire too early? That's something that you see. Um, I'm

852
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: looking at the linebacker. I can see him. He's coming

853
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: out of Penny Soul's brother does that all the time.

854
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: He triggers early and gets beaten because of it. That's

855
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: the guy that's probably gonna get overhyped by I think

856
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the draft class. If he was if

857
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: his name wasn't Sewell, I'm not sure that he's the

858
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: top prospect, but I think that you're still gonna see

859
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people projecting him in the late first,

860
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: early second round. That this game doesn't have that. It

861
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't for me. All right. One of the linebacker

862
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: is the Alabama on Henry to Ata, a guy we

863
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: haven't talked about much breaking that for me. Very smart

864
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: guy and he his play in space got better. Another

865
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: guy that's very well protected by his defensive line. I

866
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: did see things from him that I like that. I

867
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: think he started to see the field better in his

868
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: final season, and we didn't get to see him done

869
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: in mobile that was a little bit disappointing. He's a

870
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: perfectly capable starting linebacker. I'm not sure there's ever gonna

871
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: be more than that though, Like, do you do you

872
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: want a guy who's going to be an impact player?

873
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: That's probably not him, But do you need a guy

874
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: that can come in reliably cover a tight end or

875
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, pick up a running back on a Texas

876
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: route and terminate the player right away. I think he's

877
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: gonna be very good at doing that, very good. All right,

878
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: let's jump to the edge players, and you know you're

879
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna have some hybrid guys in this group too. Is

880
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: will Anderson like if he was in last year's class,

881
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: is he going before Hutchinson? Is he going before Thibodeau?

882
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: As Hes going before Trayvon Walker? Based on his tape

883
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: this year and obvious you can look at one tape too, obviously,

884
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: and then after that, who are some of the edge

885
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: guys you like if the Giants want to try to

886
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: supplement what they have with Cavon, Thibodeau and ziz Ojilari, Yeah,

887
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: you're Anderson for me is a he's not a cut

888
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: and driving evaluation. He's not a sure fire top five

889
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: prospect for me. Uh, there are gaps in his production.

890
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: There are times where he looks like he's going through

891
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: the motions. Um, where he's a little bit too content

892
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: to be blocked for a guy with his ridiculous athleticism

893
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: or what we're led to believe, this is ridiculous, ridiculous athleticism. Well,

894
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of the top five picks in

895
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: the draft. I have very little doubt about that. Um.

896
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: There's he's not the slam dunk that I think a

897
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: lot of people think he is. Now when when you're

898
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: getting you're getting to that next year, Um, and guys

899
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: that that could possibly interest the Giants later on? You

900
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: know again, do you want a guy this more like oh,

901
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: jul aari as sort of a I don't want to

902
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: call him one note, because I think that's that's under

903
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: selling him. But a speed rusher, a guy who's gonna

904
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: win primarily outside or working you know, off of a

905
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: guy that's inside him in a tandem type of combination.

906
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: Or or you're gonna get a guy like Thibodeau that

907
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: you know is hopefully the alpha rusher that you need,

908
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: a guy that you know dictates. Okay, I gotta have

909
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: my tight end come over here. It's not a great

910
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: year for the past trussures, to be honest with you,

911
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: of uh. And and you know, you see Miles Murphy

912
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: as a guy that's listed. I'm not his biggest fan. Uh,

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: it's it's just not that exciting. But of a rush class,

914
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: you know down in and we saw Derek Hall out

915
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: of Auburn. Pretty intriguing guy. If that guy ever figures

916
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: out to turn the bluetooth off and actually use his

917
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 1: hands in his pass rush, he's gonna be good. But

918
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: he's not there yet, you know. Uh, there's a few

919
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: of those guys that Okay, let's let's let's see you

920
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: cover up your fatal flaw as a pass rusher right now. Uh.

921
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: And maybe Isaiah Fosky, another guy out of Notre Dame.

922
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: Physical guy can win over either shoulder, but he he

923
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: loves to spin, move and stop, and I don't like that,

924
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: but it showed up. I live close enough to the

925
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: other name, but I get to go to their games.

926
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: I saw him at standard the Stanford game. He did

927
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: that twice where he's got the guy beat, but he

928
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: he wastes to feel where the where the which way

929
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: to spin out of it, just turning his back into

930
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: the blocker. He doesn't always make the right decision. It

931
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: doesnt always come out of with the birthday you need.

932
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: So it's there's a lot of Day two guys that

933
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: are going to be, like Ogilori, a complimentary rusher. I

934
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: don't think you're finding many alpha dogs in this class.

935
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: One of the two guys I want to throw at

936
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: you is is Tyree Wilson and Lucas van nest So.

937
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: I think people love their athleticism, but just haven't. There's

938
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: so many guys where you see potential, Jeff, but the

939
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: production isn't quite there yet. And the one thing that

940
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: tends to carry over from from college to pros his

941
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: pass rush production. And I just don't think we have

942
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: that elite production even if we do have some guys

943
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: like you mentioned Miles Morphy's got tools, right, why do

944
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: you guys have tools? And I want you to talk

945
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: about Wilson and Vanes specifically, but we just haven't seen

946
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: it turn into you know, this guy's a really good

947
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Yeah. And Wilson again the thirties, six plus

948
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: inch arms. Uh. Here, he's he just have a great

949
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: deal of twitch to him. I'm not gonna say that

950
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: he's stiff, because he's not that that's that's not right.

951
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: But is this guy, you know, dripping with the athleticism

952
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: to win consistently on the outside. He's the guy that

953
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: I would love in a role where you're playing an

954
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: odd man front or you're playing him as your fourth

955
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: lineman and you play him over the tackle. I don't

956
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: want him. I don't want him outside because if you're

957
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: playing an offensive tackle with quick hands, he's gonna be

958
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: able to neutralize him. Uh. And his length is almost

959
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: it's almost too long. Um. As weird as it is

960
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, coming from it, I'm a

961
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: volleyball player by trade. That's that's what I did when

962
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: I before my body quit. Um. And there's a point

963
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: of diminishing returns with height and length in volleyball, and

964
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I think you see that with defensive ends as well,

965
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: um and offensive tackles by the way, but less more

966
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: so with the super long guys like it just takes

967
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: so long to get your arm in hand out there,

968
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: and if you miss or you don't win that initial battle,

969
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: what do you have left? And that's the question that

970
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: I have with Wilson. Van Ness is a guy. Look Iowa,

971
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about Iowa and their weird program. Again. I

972
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: think some of what he does does translate very well,

973
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see athleticism out of him. But I

974
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: have hard time not seeing um the guy, and it's

975
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: killing me because he's from my hometown of zeal In, Michigan.

976
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: He was in last year's Zack Vane Balkenberg. He's he's

977
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: a much better athlete than Zach was. But does he

978
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: have that transcending athleticism. Does he have the the technical

979
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: prowess to go make an impact of the NFL? Right now?

980
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: I think NFL draft anists are writting a lot of

981
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: checks and I don't think van Neesse can cash just yet. Now.

982
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he will once he gets his feet with but

983
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't see that top end prospect that a lot

984
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: of people are writting him up to be, like in

985
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: the top twelve in some of these mon drafts, And

986
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that a starter. He played inside a lot, Jeff,

987
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you on that. Yeah, he could very

988
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: well be a good football player, but I'm not getting

989
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: hype on it. He's he's in that fifty to eighty

990
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: overall range for me right now. And I have I

991
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: have seen him play in person. Um what little he

992
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: did play, I don't. I don't get it, man, I

993
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: just don't. All right, let's go to defensive tackle. Will

994
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: wrap up here, and I guess it's fitting that we

995
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: saved this one for last because I think maybe the

996
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: best player in the class might be at defensive tackle,

997
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: and amazingly, maybe the best player on the Georgia defense

998
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: the last two years, which has been one of the

999
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, best defenses and in the history of college football.

1000
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Will be quite frank with you, Jalen Carter is phenomenal.

1001
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: You could you know, give me your little view on him,

1002
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: and then how does the rest of this group kind

1003
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: of play out? Because there I don't know, Ye, I'm

1004
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: just not sure about it. Yeah, Jalen Carter's number one

1005
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: for me. Uh, number one overall for me. And that

1006
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you take him number one overall because there's

1007
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: some positional value there. Uh. Look, I I watched Indomican

1008
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: suit Nebraska. I watched him come up with the Lions.

1009
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: He's as close to Endominican suit as I a scene

1010
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: from a prospect and that's certainly worthy of a premium pick.

1011
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: He's got the attitude, he's got the strength, he's got

1012
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: the the agility, he's got the football. I q pretty

1013
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: much a complete package. It's you're gonna be nitpicking if

1014
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: you're looking for faults with Jalen Carter. Uh That next

1015
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: year though, Brian Breecy a guy, a guy that like goodness.

1016
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: He's been mocked us to the Detroit Lions at six

1017
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: and in eighteen, he's not there for me. He's a

1018
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: guy that Jeff I don't know. I didn't watch the

1019
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: tape from last year, and I know people tell me

1020
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: that is better, and I gotta go back and look,

1021
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: I know he went through a lot of personal tragedy

1022
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: this year and everything like that, But this year the tape,

1023
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. Clemson took him off the

1024
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: field in obvious running situations, and when you watch the tape,

1025
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: is pretty clear why he doesn't anchor he's got this

1026
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be a this will go over. Weall, he's

1027
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of Taven Brian to him and a

1028
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: guy that's trying to rush the passer even on third

1029
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: and short when when they when the opponents in a

1030
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: jumbo package. He just doesn't have that sort of great

1031
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: game to him. Now, look, he's a really good interior

1032
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: pocket collapser, but I'm not there with him. I pray

1033
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: my line as will take him in the first round,

1034
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and I hope for the

1035
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: Giant's sake that they wouldn't take him at twenty five either.

1036
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: That's still too high for me for what I've seen

1037
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: from him. Interesting, all right, how about that about the

1038
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: rest of this group? When do you think those guys

1039
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: start kicking in here round three or late round two?

1040
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys that I like.

1041
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Later in day three we saw a couple of them.

1042
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: Donomobile camera Young out of Mississippi State is one. Uh,

1043
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of immovable object type nose tackles. This

1044
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: This is a good year to need them young being

1045
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: one of them. Uh. There, there's several, and they don't

1046
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: necessarily look that Beefy. The The one guy I want

1047
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: to bring up is Cancy out of Pittsburgh. At two

1048
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: eight pounds. He's gonna get compared to Aaron don Old

1049
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: and I hate that for him because he's nobody's Aaron Donald.

1050
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: He's a really really good guy at winning off the

1051
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: snap and winning the first combat. He does it consistently.

1052
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: He does it with his feet, he does it with

1053
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: his hands, he does it with his shoulders. He's he's

1054
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: a very intriguing guy. But I'm not sure you're gonna

1055
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: get him at more than two in five pounds where

1056
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: he's going to be successful in the NFL. Where do

1057
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: you play that in the NFL? I don't know, but

1058
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: that that that's a good football player right there, And Jeff,

1059
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: you mentioned it a couple of times. The lines have

1060
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: two picks here just to give an idea for giant fans.

1061
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: I gonna try to figure out who's gonna go ahead

1062
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: of them in this traft here. Uh, you guys had

1063
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: a hell of a year, man, You really close strong

1064
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: one more win a lit earlier in the year, you're

1065
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and you know who knows the way

1066
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 1: the NFC went. So what are the lines looking for here?

1067
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: And and what are they gonna be thinking when the

1068
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: draft comes in? Frankly for agency comes as well. Bus

1069
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure next year the Giants in Detroit

1070
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: could be battling four of those playoffs spots. Again, I

1071
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: absolutely anticipate that. What you just said, By the way,

1072
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: I think the Lions the Giants, Uh, they're right in

1073
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: that same year of emerging NFC powers, young cores, exciting,

1074
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: young dynamic. Coaches wouldn't called Brian the dynamic, but he's good.

1075
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: He's very good at what he does. Um, Lions need

1076
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: a starting outside cornerback. They need to replace and upgrade

1077
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the hybrid nickel role. Um, it's a safety position or

1078
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn would love it to be a safety. Last

1079
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: year was Will Harris, who couldn't play safety at all.

1080
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: They put him in the slot. Um, he might be back,

1081
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: but they need somebody better than that. They need a

1082
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: starting right guard. They need a quarterback, not replacing Jared Goff,

1083
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: but Jared Goff is literally the only quarterback in Detroit

1084
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: right now, they don't. They don't even have one on

1085
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: the futures contract. They need a developmental guy that can

1086
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: possibly take over if Jared Golf prices himself out of Detroit,

1087
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: is it after this year's contract? This up after after

1088
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: next year, after next year? Yeah, But if he plays

1089
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: the way he did in two in twenty twenty three,

1090
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Jared Golf is going to need to get paid after

1091
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: three and deservedly so. He earned that Pro Bowl spot.

1092
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: He was very very good down the stretch. He hasn't

1093
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: thrown interception since week nine, uh and and played every

1094
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: snap since then. Very impressive Jared Golf. But again you're

1095
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: getting in the if he gets hurt, who's taken over

1096
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: for him? Uh? They need at least somebody can come

1097
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: in and guide. This is the line seems. This line

1098
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: seems expects to win the NFC North next year. Maybe

1099
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: that's crazy, but they're not gonna do it. If Jaried

1100
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: Golf goes out and they're filling in X player off

1101
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: the street. They need a developmental guy and they probably

1102
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: also need a veteran that can come in and go too.

1103
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: And two, if Golf misses a month with you know,

1104
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: breaking his finger on a helmet or something like that.

1105
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: So that's a need. They do quietly need offensive line depth.

1106
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: They use a sixth lineman more than any other team.

1107
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: It is their de factove blocking tight end. They would

1108
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: probably like somebody that can also fill in as your

1109
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: backup tackle. The guys that they have aren't all that

1110
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: great at it right now. Uh, you're looking at a

1111
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. They need a nose tackle like nobody's business. Uh.

1112
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: They figured out that to leave McNeil is a really

1113
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: good three technique, but he's not a nose tackle. Uh,

1114
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: so that they're in need there off ball linebacker whyans

1115
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: Fans will tell you it's probably the biggest feed on

1116
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: the defense. I will tell you it's third or fourth.

1117
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: But it is something that they absolutely need, especially if

1118
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: Alex and Seloni leaves in free agency. And by the way,

1119
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Alex Anzeloni would look great in the middle of that

1120
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: New York defense. The way he played at the end

1121
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: of the season. He's exactly the type of guy that

1122
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: they're looking for. He's much better than his old college

1123
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: are made and best friend Jared Davis um I don't

1124
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't wish. Jared Davis. Look, I've

1125
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: loved JR. Davis. Great dude, I don't want to play

1126
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: on my football team. And bottle Way, I thought it

1127
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: was huge. You guys got your offensive coordinator back. I thought,

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00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: I think he's literally one of the best play callers

1129
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: in the whole league one war year. Um, and we're

1130
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: very happy to have Ben Johnson, Becky, his his creativity. Um.

1131
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: We have the Chicken versus conversation all the time of

1132
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: how important he is for Jared Goff and Jeredoff. They

1133
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: have a lot of weapons in Detroit. And I wrote

1134
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: it this morning at Lions Wire for whenever you read it,

1135
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: please check this out. Do not mock a first round

1136
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: tight under Detroit Lions just because they traded t J.

1137
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: Hockenson in the year they traded t J. Hockenson because

1138
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: they don't need a great tight end in Ben Johnson's offense,

1139
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: and they certainly working to pay t J. Hackinson to

1140
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: beat it. It is a need, it's a much lesser

1141
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: need than what's being ballyhood nationally. And by the way,

1142
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: two first round picks and you almost have a third

1143
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: one because Jamison Williams is going to be a full

1144
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: time player next year. You know, he barely played for

1145
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: you guys last year, and when he did, he look great.

1146
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: One catch, one catch, and he I mean, he is

1147
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: the perfect compliment to you know, kind of your possession receiver.

1148
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: And I'm on Ross Brown, so you know the lines

1149
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: are gonna be good. Man. I'm very happy for you.

1150
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: Much like with the Giants, It's been a long time coming.

1151
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Cheff it is it's been a very long time coming. Uh.

1152
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm fifty years old and they have won one playoff

1153
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: game in my lifetime. I'm reading for Law and I

1154
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: I dare say it, I'm very optimistic about where this

1155
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: team is going. With the young cores, love Dan Campbell,

1156
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: loved the coaching staff that he's assembled around him. It

1157
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: was the youngest team in the NFL. They started four

1158
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: rookies on defense last year. It's obviously got to get better.

1159
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Their defense was absolutely train wreck abysmal early in the season.

1160
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Second half of the year, I don't think people caught

1161
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: onto this. They were quietly a top ten defense in

1162
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the last eight weeks. And that includes the abismal game

1163
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: that cost him the playoff worth Um where Carolina ran

1164
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: for three and some odd yards and and did it

1165
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald running read option. That one still kills me.

1166
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Those those kind of games can't happen again. But yeah,

1167
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: it's a good time to be Detroit Lions fan, as

1168
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: it's a good time to be a New York Giants fan,

1169
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: Arrows pointing up for both these franchises. Fan. I would

1170
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: love nothing more than to be in New York or

1171
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: Detroit next year, and we're talking about an NFC playoff

1172
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: game between these two teams. A lot of really think

1173
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: that could happen. Absolutely all right, Jeff, tell the folks

1174
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: where they get now that you've kissed the death bull franchises.

1175
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Um, can tell the folks where

1176
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: they can find all your stuff, man, Yeah, my Lions

1177
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,479
Speaker 1: related stuff is that Lions Y're at USA Today dot com.

1178
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: You can find my draft in general NFL stuff at

1179
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Real GM Football Real GM dot com. Um. They also

1180
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: have a very vibrant Nicks discussion there. Uh if you're

1181
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: a basketball guy, uh, please check that out. And you

1182
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: can also find me on the the The Detroit Lions Podcast.

1183
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Easy for me to say, we talk a lot of Lions.

1184
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: We also talk a great deal of draft and we

1185
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: have some great draft video prospect shorts that are going

1186
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: on there, myself and Scott bisch Offer running. Uh so

1187
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: check those out. And uh if you ever happen to

1188
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: be in the Michigan areas who are not on your

1189
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: radios to the Huge Show, I am on there very

1190
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: regularly in the Huge Show across Michigan based on the

1191
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: one in Great Rapids. Awesome, Jeff. Good to talk to

1192
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: you man, And when was he in in the for

1193
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: the combine? We'll talk some combine, all right. I can't

1194
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: wait to drive down there. It's it's it's a three. Literally,

1195
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking out my window right now, I turn left,

1196
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: I turn left again, and i go two hundred miles

1197
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: south and I'm at the combine. I can't wait to

1198
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: see you down there. John Settle Podcast is brought to

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Speaker 1: rebas and home energy assessments. Great draft primer from Jeff Risden.

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Speaker 1: We'll see him in Indie. Jeff, good stuff. We'll talk

1203
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: to you then, folks will see you next time on

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Speaker 1: the John Settle Podcast