1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about haunted 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: houses this week, Tracy, Yep, we did. I said that 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: we would mention in this episode kind of why this 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: is almost a or at least began really as a 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: uniquely US phenomenon. And it's something that actually came up 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: on our um Our episodes about the Haunted Mansion, because 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: we talked about how they expanded that idea into parks 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: around the world and how they're just other cultures where 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: the ghost thing is not cool as an entertainment, it's disrespectful, 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: and so that's part of the reason why, you know, 13 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: the US has this this kind of obsession with something 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: that maybe hasn't spread globally. I should mention that Universal 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: now does do Halloween horror nights in all of its 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: global um parks, So that is shifting, certainly. It's not 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: as though you know, other places haven't. It just seems 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: like the US took the idea and ran with it 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: at full tilt. Well, and when I was looking for 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: artwork to put on our social media for this episode. Like, 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: I did find pictures of mostly the exteriors of haunted 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: houses and other parts of the world, but I did 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: not look deeply enough to see if those were associated 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: with like US chains or like US business entities or 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: or not. I'm not going to out them, but I 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: will tell you. We have a colleague who recently confided 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: to me that they are afraid of the Haunted Mansion. 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: What which is so sweet? I gave your If you 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: just don't like scary things, even if they're kind of 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: cute and pretty benign, you just only scary things, it's fine, Yeah, 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: but it struck me as funny. Also, big out out 32 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: to my Patna Mansion if everybody hasn't watched it yet, 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: it's marvelous, um marvelous. Yeah. The last time I was 34 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: at Disney, I remember a small child at the very 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: beginning of the Haunted Mansion just absolutely losing it. And 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: in a way that was both upsetting and funny because 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: the child was obviously clearly scared, but it also seemed 38 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: like one of those moments that will be looked back 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: on you like, remember that time I got so scared? 40 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: Remember when you lost your mind in the hount image. 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, I grew up outside 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: of Winston Salem, North Carolina, and there was this place 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: that was called the Nature Science Center that has been 44 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: through a whole ton of changes since the name changes 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: and business changes and stuff since then. And it was 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: built on the grounds of an old hospital and they 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: had a haunted house that I remember being a fundraiser 48 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: for the Science Museum. I could be wrong about that, though, 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: and I feel like what they told us was that 50 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: the haunted House was in what had been the psychiatric 51 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: ward of well, of course, which I mean that's got 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: very problematic and offensive connotations right simultaneously. It was terrifying, 53 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: and I remember being so scared and in there every 54 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: single year, and yet every single year I was like, 55 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: when do we get to go to the Haunted House. 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: I tried briefly to confirm whether they were being truthful 57 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: with that, because it definitely was a hospital. The Science 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Museum was not in what had been the hospital, but 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the the hospital structure was still on the property, and 60 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: that was where they were having the haunted house. And 61 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I remember of like the various haunted like there would 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: be uh the elementary school would have the haunted house 63 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: as a fundraiser for the p c A and like 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And I remember, among all of 65 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: among all of the things, all of the haunted house 66 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: experiences of my childhood, the one at what was at 67 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: the time called the Nature Science Center was the scariest one. Yeah. Yeah, 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't do a whole bunch growing up. 69 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really get into haunted houses until I was 70 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:32,119 Speaker 1: like probably college age. My beloved used to help build 71 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: the j c's Haunted House every year. He has so 72 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: many like memories that he loves to recount about working 73 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: on those. And of course that was post all of 74 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: the code updates, so I haven't ever really asked him, 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: like with somebody there. Main sure everything was up to code, 76 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: but usually I think at that point most of those 77 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: that continued, we're trying to borrow spaces that we're already 78 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: up to code themselves, right Like can we do this 79 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: in the school's cafeteria for two nights, or can we 80 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: you this in you know, this um office park or whatever, 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: like they have one area that's not being used. I've 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: seen them there as well. Of Course, I feel I 83 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: didn't mention because we really didn't get into the modern ones, 84 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: there are a lot of it gets very busy, Like 85 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: I didn't mention that Atlanta, of course, is home to 86 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: one of the biggest and most famed and successful haunted 87 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: houses in the world, which is another world Haunted House Um, 88 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: which I had the delight a few years back of 89 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: touring it just by myself with our colleague Julie Um 90 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: when she was working on another podcast and we were 91 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I was helping her capture some audio for it, and 92 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: that was one of the most fun experiences ever because 93 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: they kind of let us say, like, yes, let's do 94 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: lights out for here, and let's do the full thing, 95 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: or hey, can you turn the lights on because we 96 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: want to see how this works. So that was like 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: the most marvelous, beautiful, interactive haunted house experience you could 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: ever have. I don't think I ever actually went to 99 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: that haunted house. I just saw their participation in the 100 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: Dragon con parade. It's so good and I mean the 101 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: people there, and that's the thing. Most of the haunt community, 102 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: like I have friends that love it, love it. I 103 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: have friends that got engaged at like a universal Horror 104 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Nights haunted attraction. They are so passionate about it as 105 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: an art in and of itself, and like, you know, 106 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: creating these places that are safe but still scary and fun. 107 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: And there are certainly outliers and some controversy within that 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: entire community about sure who does qualify as a haunt 109 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: versus something a little more sinister, And but you know, 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: once like another world. I just I'm blown away by 111 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: the level and degree of just work that goes into it. Yeah, 112 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. I'm fun, I mean everything, oh time. One 113 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: thing I did want to know is, whenever we talk 114 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: about a fire, it seems like we get lots of 115 00:06:54,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: listener requests for other fires. And for whatever reason, of 116 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: all the tragedies we talked about on the show, the 117 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: fires tend to be uniquely terrible to research and write about. 118 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: So we don't do many of them. Because there are 119 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: a lot. They are particularly a lot in a way 120 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: that I don't know I can quite explain why. Yeah, 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean it, it is it's hard. There were certainly 122 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: there are lots of details about that Haunting Castle fairy 123 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: that I did not feel needed to be in this 124 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: that are very upsetting. Um and I the other thing 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: is that that is recent enough that those families, you know, 126 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: are still around, and that people that grew up in 127 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: that area still talk about how harrowing it was and 128 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: the impact it had. So I did not want to 129 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: focus on any of the grizzlier aspects of it, because 130 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: that's just not important to the story. Um. But yes, 131 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: I UM. I hope that everybody that goes out and 132 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: enjoys a haunted house this year has a fun and 133 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: safe time, and that you walk out more giddy and 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: giggly than you do trouble from the whole thing, or 135 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: if you're me, you just keep trying to get the 136 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: haunted mansion to stop when you're in the ballroom so 137 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: you can look at everything for minutes, which happened the 138 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: last time I was there, and I was the happiest 139 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: squealing child on the planet. So happy haunts to everybody, 140 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: and we hope that your Halloween season is going delightfully. Tracy. 141 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: We talked about Rolando and possession and exorcism this week, yes, 142 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: and I mentioned that this is one that's been rattling 143 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: around in my brain for a while, and there are 144 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: a few reasons. One, I cannot tell you how much 145 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: this case was discussed in my house growing up, and 146 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: part of it is that, Uh, there's an interesting thing 147 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: that happens here in in reading about his case more 148 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: in depth and in some people's speculations, is there's a 149 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: lot of speculation about it. Um is that his mother 150 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: very much believed what was going on was some sort 151 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: of possession, and then his father was kind of like, 152 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just want to help my kid. 153 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: And there is even speculation that his dad was a 154 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: little bit absent and that this may have been an 155 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: incident of him kind of acting out because he didn't 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: have the attention of his parents in the way that 157 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: he wanted. But it makes me laugh because can I 158 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: just tell you, I suspect that if I had behaved 159 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: in any of these ways, my mom would have been like, 160 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: you're possessed and my dad would have been like, what 161 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: is your problem? Because my dad was very much not 162 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: a believer in such things, and my mom loved it 163 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: all and was really into all of that kind of 164 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: lower and and paranormal stuff. So it made me laugh 165 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: so hard as I went, and any time the parents 166 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: were brought up, I was like, yeah, I know, I 167 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: know this dynamic. Yeah I uh so, I've never read 168 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the book The Exorcist, and I did not see the 169 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: film until I was solidly into adulthood because I was 170 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: raised in a household that was strict about what we 171 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: were allowed to watch on TV and movies, And like 172 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: I didn't even have like a friend that sneaked it 173 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: into the slumber party or anything like that. Like there 174 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: were a couple of times where we did have slumber 175 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: parties and we watched something scary, but like, never The Exorcist. 176 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: So I was probably close to thirty by the time 177 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: I saw it for the first time. And even then 178 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: there were elements of it that were like firmly in 179 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: my psyche just because of how present they were in discussion, 180 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Like the whole idea of the projectile pea soup. Already 181 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: knew a lot about that from many years of having 182 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: heard about it before I ever saw that on the 183 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: screen and the television. Yeah, became a punchline in a 184 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: lot of ways, right, Yeah, if someone was really angry, 185 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: people would go, are you to start throwing up soup 186 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: on me? Like, I rewatched it again a couple of 187 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: times while I was working on this kind of to 188 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: to really note the differences between it and the story 189 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: as is recorded. It was more sexual than I remembered. 190 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: It's probably been it has long since I watched it. 191 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: It's probably only been like four years. But my brain 192 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: wiped some of that and I was like, whoa, I 193 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: don't remember it being as much. And that is how 194 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: I found out, in mentioning that to my husband that 195 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: he's never seen it. I don't know how that happened 196 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: because I watch it with frequency, but I think I 197 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: must be watching it in the sewing room without him, 198 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: I will say again, and I tweeted about it. The 199 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: sound design on that movie is spectacular. It's spectacular, um. 200 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: And I don't just mean like, oh it really sounds 201 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: gross like in terms of how it transitions from scene 202 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: to scene. It's just handled beautifully. They deserved that Oscar, 203 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: no question about it. I also wanted to mention two 204 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: other things that came up. And this is a thing 205 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: that gets bandied about, and I will say, if you 206 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: go looking for information on this story online, you will 207 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: find a lot of um. I don't know if banter 208 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: is the right word, but there is a lot of 209 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: Well I did research and it contradicts this other writer 210 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: that everybody thinks is the expert, and like, no, I 211 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: did my research. There's a lot of that involved. It's fine, um, 212 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: But one of the things that kept coming up, and 213 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I just found it kind of funny and charming to 214 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: think about, is the moving of the bed and a 215 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: lot of people pointing out but like in the late 216 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: nineteen forties, a lot of beds still had wheels, and 217 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: like maybe that was adding to perhaps a precocious kids 218 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: ability to make the bed move without it. But then 219 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: there are all of these accounts that go, no, no, no, 220 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't moving at all. He was lying perfectly. Still, 221 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe listen, clever children can set 222 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: up all kinds of mechanisms. I don't. I mean, I'm 223 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: very skeptical, so that's my my stance. But the other 224 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: thing that is very funny to me, and this is 225 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: like the ten year old boy who lives inside of 226 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: my soul coming out in the priest diary, there are 227 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: a couple of mentions of during his possession episodes flatulence 228 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, is gas demonic now? Because it is. 229 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: We have a problem, right, I think we all have 230 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: a little problem to deal with At that point, it 231 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: just made me laugh and was a funny element in 232 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, oh the Exorcists, Roland Doe. It's very 233 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: ripe for people to interpret however they wish because of 234 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: the lack of documentation. So I am not a believer, 235 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: but if people love it and want to believe in it, 236 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: I guess that's fine. Yeah, it's one of those things 237 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: where I am not a believer either. And the one 238 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: thing that like troubles me about these kinds of stories 239 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: is how often it seems like, Okay, this is harming someone, right, 240 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: but then you get into fabulous movie depictions that are right. 241 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: And that's another thing is that there are definitely some 242 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: essays you will find where people will talk about like 243 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: if you actually believe that something like demonic possession is 244 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: possible that movie it does a terrible disservice and making 245 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: it this sensationalized thing and not a real problem to 246 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: deal with. But also, I mean we mentioned it. There 247 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: were definitely priests along the way who were like, hey, 248 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: I think doing an exorcism on a kid that maybe 249 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: needs a doctor is going to make stuff a lot worse. Um, 250 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean there there was definitely a reluctance within the church. 251 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: There were a lot of people who were like I don't. 252 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't think we're looking at this the right way. 253 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: This isn't the Middle Ages. We need to get this 254 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: kid like real help um from from trained professionals. Uh, 255 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: And that you know goes on. I couldn't rEFInd it 256 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: when I was first doing my pre LIMB research. You know, 257 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: you and I will both often like just search a 258 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: topic and look for kind of what's out there. There 259 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: was one account that I read that talked about one 260 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: of the priests either involved or like secondhand involved. He 261 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: had been a friend in one of them. I don't 262 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: remember because I could not find it again having seen 263 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: the exorcystem, being very very angry at how it sensationalized 264 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: things in a way that he thought would be damaging, 265 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: because his take was like, oh, this could be very 266 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: instructional for the general public. I don't know why anyone 267 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: would think a fictional movie would be that, but and 268 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: that being an element of its reception. But like I said, 269 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't rEFInd that article, and so hey, when that happens, 270 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: oh it makes me crazy, and I like, I'll be like, 271 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my history and my browser and I 272 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: can't find it in here either. And I hate it. 273 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you're as bad as me, 274 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: but that is what happens when I do that thing 275 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: where I have like a hundred and thirty tabs open, 276 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, well, damn it, or my computer 277 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: will crash and I'm like it's gone forever. I know 278 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna find it again. I hope nobody feels 279 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: like they are possessed by anything other than joy this weekend, 280 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: and that you have obligations that they go smooth as silk, 281 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: and that if you don't, that you get some rest 282 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: and some fun. Since this is Halloween weekend, everybody be 283 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: very very careful out there if you're celebrating, and if 284 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: you're not, I hope you find peace and that you're 285 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: not in any way terrorized by people who want candy 286 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: or to play tricks. I am gonna have pumpkin waffles 287 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: because that's what the Muppets planted, the idea of a 288 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Halloween brunch where everybody has um pancakes together, and I'm 289 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna have waffles and have a cup of friends over. 290 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: I think I think we're planning to hand out candy 291 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: to trick or traders. If all goes well, I might 292 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: just be hanging out on the couch from getting a 293 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: booster shot whoa fingers crossed. So happy Halloween everybody. We 294 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: hope you have a great time. If you're you're celebrating, 295 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and we will see you right back here tomorrow with 296 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: a classic and then next tweek on Monday, there will 297 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: be new shows. Stuff you missed in History Class is 298 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 299 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 300 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.