WEBVTT - 95: Spe-Shes 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:13.720 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:18.320 one fifteen am at the Sahara Motor Hotel and you're 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:40.960 refering tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, a podcast 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.000 for your strange days and lonely nights. My name is 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.440 Emily Yoshida. I am here in Los Angeles, and with 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.640 me as always are Molly Lambert and as Lynch. We 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:55.360 got a nightcall. Uh. I guess everybody's just really amped 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.600 for the new Sofia Coppola movie, which is called On 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.600 the Rocks. I think it's going to be her uncut gems. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.040 This is my early prediction. But um. We got an 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:09.000 email from Dawn Um just you know, looking back at 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.679 the career of selfcope, and it says, hello, night Call. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.280 April is the twentieth anniversary of Virgin Suicides, and I 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.160 thought it would be a good occasion to talk about 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.000 Sofia Coppola's debut. Do you have any connection or fond 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.440 memories with the Virgin Suicides book, film, or soundtrack. Was 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.080 it a part of your teenage years or did you 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.880 find it later on as a guy. I'm curious what 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.200 a group of women think about it. I didn't watch 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.520 it until I was in my twenties, but the dreaminess 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.240 and dull nostalgia hypnotized me to the point where I 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:42.840 immediately read the book down. Thanks for the email. Down. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.880 Um what what when did you guys see Virgin Susie? 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.560 Do you see you when it came out or not 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.320 in the theater? Yeah? I think I saw it right 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.360 when it was released on video. I had read um 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.200 the books book. You had read it before it came out. Um, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.200 I think I probably read it like after the movie 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.160 was released, but before I saw it it. And I'm 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:06.400 not the hugest fan. I think Emily is a fan 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.559 of What the Virgen Suicide. It's like the most tolerable 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.480 of Sofia Copolist movies. I mean, if anybody doesn't know, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.480 I'm the number one Sofia Coppola hater. So I come 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.160 into this with a bit of I guess I'm like, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.360 I can't be as much of a hater as Emily, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.360 so I'm like trying to think of something part of 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:28.600 my brand. I think it's hard to separate one's feelings 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.320 about Sofia Coppola from the fact that she's like the 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.960 only female filmmaker of that era and that class of 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.320 directors that got anything made so well. She wasn't the 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.760 only female filmmaker of that era. There was Jane Campion. No, no, 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.919 I know, but I mean like of the like Spike Jones, 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.800 like of the music video crew. She was, you know, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:57.800 so I think she definitely, uh is not my favorite director, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.240 but I think she gets probably I don't know. I mean, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.120 I think she's just she's kind of a visual stylist 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.760 more than a plot and dialogue person um. I also 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.400 don't like Antonioni movies, right because the same you know, 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:19.280 I just I don't love moping around fashion e movies. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.440 I don't mind fashion e movies, but I think like 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.320 as a purely stylistic exercise and like as a debut, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:32.040 as a like very memorable, like visual debut. I think 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.960 that Virgin Suicides like creates a lot of the Sofia 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.480 Coppela mythology that lasts and like gives her like there's 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.520 a lot of charitable feelings towards her. I think largely 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.360 because of this film, because it was such a like 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.240 it looked it didn't really look like anything else at 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:46.920 the time, and it didn't really feel I think I 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.040 was probably also like a teenager at that time and 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.080 like too aware of being marketed to as a teenager. 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.160 There's that for sure. See I was I was between 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.240 so it was all like very cool. I think I 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.080 was more like a rest I think I also just 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:07.200 was like, why is this like more interesting looking woman, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.840 like just because became a theme in her work as 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.960 it went on, like why is she is so obsessed 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.520 with like marian blondness. But then I'm like, again, that's 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.280 like what all male directors make movies about. That's like 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.040 the whole like Hitchcock thing, and like species which we're 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.719 going to talk about writer is very much about that. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.560 But I feel bad for her in a weird way, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.440 if that makes sense, like so sad. He was always 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.280 like why is she so sad? Like she has everything, 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.320 and all her movies are about like how like you 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.680 can have all this material wealth and it doesn't make 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.320 you happy, which is like not the least interesting thing 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.880 for movies to be about. Sure, it's just over and 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.520 over and over again. I mean, like, this is the 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.719 last time she'll do middle class until Lingering, I'm going 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.320 to say again. Though, then I read Easy Rider's Raging 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.680 Bulls and I was like man does seem like difficult 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.760 pair to have and like stressful to have parents that 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.200 are like to have a dad that's so famous. Like 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.720 I think there's something about the people that you have 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.240 envy before because you're like their lives are so charmed, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.400 everything must be so great, and like, well maybe that's 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.320 why she made the virgin suicides? Is it someone being 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.200 like their lives are so charmed, everything must be so Also, 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.880 her brother like died in a boat accident. You know, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.480 like her life is not without tragedy. And obviously when 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:29.640 I think about it, I'm like a lot of the 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.520 rich kids that I knew growing up had like really 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.520 horrible family lives and like a lot of inner conflict 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.000 and trauma. And it did seem like, oh, they have 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:42.679 all these material things, but like it doesn't seem fun. Sure, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.279 I did you guys all read the book? Have you 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:46.960 guys all read I have not read the book. I 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.000 read the other Jeff for Ugenityes book, The marriage Plot. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.440 Oh god, woof, woof you guys? Are you guys went 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:58.120 to Brown? Um? Yeah, it's just because you're like you're 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.479 gonna lose in the love triangle to of it posture 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.760 Wallace I mean, I think I read a lot of 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.720 Jeffrey eugenitys and was never was never like wow, this 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.599 is my author, but was like, what you must keep going. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.400 And I'm not sure why I did that myself. I 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.920 think for whatever reason, he was very much pitched as 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.920 like if you're young and you are interested in literature, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.280 then like Jeffrey, yeah, and it's like it feels youthful. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.000 So it's like, I don't know. I I did read 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.839 Virgin Suicides, and I think I liked the books, but 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.440 I was very interested to know what I thought about 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:34.160 it now, and I make it very into the liked Middlesex. Yeah, 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.920 I never read Middlesex. I only read this one and 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.560 marriage plot. I guess, I don't know. There was something 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.800 like I don't inherently think like, oh, it must be 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.640 bad because it was told from the point of view 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.200 of these boys, Like I don't know that it would 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.800 be more interesting if it was told from the point 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.719 of view of the girls, especially if a guy wrote it, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.480 you know, like I don't know. I I am all 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.480 conjecturing because I haven't read it since I was a 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.160 very INTERNETI movie in a way too, because it was 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.560 like a perfect movie for getting condensed down to jips 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.039 and things for Tumbler. I mean, that's all Tumbler is. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.760 So I think also we're probably like maybe a little 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.000 burnt out on it because of Tumbler in a way 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.240 that might not be totally fair to it. I think 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.880 it has its moments and Kirsten Dunst is great. It 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.920 also introduced I feel like it was early on the 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.080 wave of the big two thousands esthetic trend of like 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.680 handwritten kind of scrawl as like a design it's a 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.040 graphic designers movie. Absolutely, yeah, like whatever, it was like 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.800 ahead of its time in some ways on that regard, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.040 so like I don't hate it for that. And again 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.320 it did begin the long amazing string of performances by 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:43.360 Kirsten Dunces, like really depressed girls that we love yea 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:49.600 culminating in Melancholia so which also I hated by the way. Really, yes, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.000 we should do a whole Kursten Dunce. We could do 0:07:53.040 --> 0:08:00.920 a large Von Tree or I would well it's spoilers alert. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.880 We might have a Patreon mini series, uh coming or 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.280 not mini series but ongoing series where we might be 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.520 able to explore such things. So if you have any 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.679 thoughts about Sofia Coppola will take them for all time. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:19.720 I'm always here. It's about Sofia Coppola. Um, yeah, I'm 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.800 I'm like kind of waiting with bated breath about whatever 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.840 this movie. The best thing about this movie so far 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.640 the new movie with Bill Murray and it uh whatever. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.120 That doesn't narrow it down at all, but Bill Berry 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.760 plays a guy who's based on her dad supposedly, and 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.400 Rashida Jones plays a character who's based on her. It's 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.240 it's about like having a fucked up dad. Yeah, I 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.400 mean I'll see it. Have you seen Somewhere right? Is 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.720 Somewhere secretly good? That's the one I feel like people 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.040 are like, Somewhere is real bad. I kind of liked something, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.640 but I like parts like the whole thing. I thought 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.319 that ice skating with the cool with cool. I think 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.559 I've said this before, but my parents were watching The 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.400 Newsy and a True Detective and they were like, who 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:06.520 is this actor Stephen Dorff? Is this fresh young face? Yeah? Um. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.000 The one thing about Somewhere that I'll always remember, and 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.600 it's also like one of my many pet peeves with 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.480 Lost in Translation, is that like she either needs to 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.520 go to a strip club or stop doing scenes with 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.440 strippers in them because she does not know what whip. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.120 That could be said of a lot of directors. It's true. Well, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.040 I mean some people do it for readings reasons or 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.079 like TV reasons, but like, have you ever seen a 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.960 Michael Bay movie, Like those strippers are just like wall 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.720 to wall just to be there. Yeah. Um, well, the 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:38.920 only true depiction is the bottoming booming, truly realistic depiction 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.520 of like the day shift, yes, of anything, just like 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.760 standing around kind of overly air conditioned room. To me, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.439 it looks really sweaty and oh no, its like it 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.400 would be kind of drafty and just smell like kind 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.280 of stale. Like I agree with the smell for sure. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.160 The bottoming smell is we've all experienced the bottom bottoming. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.200 We should do a Sopranos, Paul, Oh, we should do 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:07.240 a Sopranos. Get to that later in future episode. Um, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.480 but we'll be right back with more talk about the 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:17.080 fancier Sofia Coppola, The Children of Hollywood Royalty, Daughters of Hollywood. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:40.760 We are back. Hello. Um, it is Friday, January. This 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.280 is the day Emily has been waiting for her whole life. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:49.160 It is the official premiere of the group Lab on Netflix. Um. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.720 I did get up at seven o'clock to watch just 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.000 two episodes. It's like where the Gwyneth Paltrow We don't 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.080 have to do anything, you do it for exactly just 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.640 like in the show. Yeah, you just sit back and 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.200 get all the experiences secondhand. Um. Although I think she 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.240 eventually like does something and she talks about doing like 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.640 M D M A and Mexico and one of the episodes, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:17.920 I'm like to see the anniversary party. Um. Yeah. So Goop, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.240 which is Gwyneth Paltrow's lifestyle brand which she has had 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.960 since two thousand eight, uh, is now they now have 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.720 a show on Netflix which is just like six episodes. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.680 It's not very extensive. I was actually surprised how few 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.640 episodes they did where they kind of just like field 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:42.839 test all the wacky wellness uh treatments and experimental whatevers 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.480 that they kind of hype on the site. Although it's 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.720 way more I think it's the site and the newsletter 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.600 tends to be more about like food and like objects 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.040 like do dads like health. Do you remember it being 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.600 a lot of like the hotels you stay at when 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.280 you're in London for a few months. There is that. Yeah, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.240 there's that as back to it too. I mean the 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.160 chill turned firehouse is great. You have to be a member, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:08.040 but of course I am. Don't you have a pizza 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.360 oven in your backyard? Yeah, that was one of the 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.640 early things she got shipped for. It was the pizza oven. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.520 She's trolling now, she is, well, that's the thing about 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.240 the show. Johanna Candle was trolling and like this whole 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.000 show is going to be a troll. It is, well, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.040 it's it's definitely trafficking in the more extreme aspects of group. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.000 The things that she gets more like flak four. I 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.520 feel like, here's what I think Goop is the Joe 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.559 Rogan for women, because she's like, oh, I'm not saying 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.280 I approve or disapprove. I'm just like letting you see 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:46.040 this insane thing. It's offensive, but not it's not that offensive. Yeah, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.800 I think, like you don't think she's like endorsing snake 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.120 oil or like, I really don't there is, in fact, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:53.880 I need to get it off of my phone. But 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.160 there is a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.920 that basically says like this is not actual medical advice 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.400 lease consult with the doctor, which is always funny whenever 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.520 I see those, which it's like a kind of blanket 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.360 disclaimer that's used for a lot of things. I'm like, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:11.560 who has a doctor? Um, because most people don't because 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.960 insurance is insane in America. But UM, it's definitely more 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.760 on the like more experiential, and I guess because it's 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.400 a show that's just stuff that films better and it 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.480 feels like an infomercial. No, no, not at all. UM. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.200 It feels Mr Rogers in a weird way, just because 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.280 it's just like we're gonna sit and we're gonna learn 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.760 about something. And I think I don't know the first 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:36.600 one that I watched, which I think is the first 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.800 episode and whatever, there's no real order to them. But 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:46.000 the first one is about um therapeutic uses of psilocybin mushrooms. UM. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.280 I was sort of surprised that they did mushrooms instead 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.480 of ayahuasca. Um because they don't want to show people vomiting. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.960 I guess so well. Her assistant is one of the 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.080 people who goes on this trek to go, um do 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.400 the mushrooms, and he had our aready done ayahuasca before 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.560 and had like a really bad experience on it. So 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.480 he was sort of talking about like wanting to have 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.079 a more gentle trip or whatever. But um, where did 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.320 he go to do the mushrooms? Peru? Just asking the mushrooms? 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.200 They went to Jamaica. And there's this group that she 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.880 talks to costrooms legal in Jamaica, yes apparently, or it's 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:25.520 like unregulated right night. Called Jamaica sounds like something everybody 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:29.640 will come home from very alive and us feeling great 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:34.960 our summer super thriller special. That's the Patreon goal. Yeah, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.880 called Jamaica. We'll go to Jamaica and just do mushrooms 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.280 forever and uh yeah, if you pay for us well, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.960 um yeah. So she talks to this group called Maps, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.520 which is uh they do like um kind of very 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:53.560 regulated therapeutic applications of like m D M A and mushrooms, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.520 And I don't know, they didn't mentioned ayahuasca, but I 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.000 feel like that has to be a part of it 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.000 as well. I'm just like it feels ahuasca is the 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.320 elephant in the room of this episode, because that is, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.480 to me, like the bougie lady thing that you do 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.640 to like. But maybe they've moved on to microdocing. I 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.520 honestly have heard that what the really bougie New age 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.160 yuppies do right now is to vape d MT. That's 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.160 so stupid, doesn't sound like a nightmare, sounds so dumb. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.040 I don't know what, Like I I have not done 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.560 any I have not done d m T here Ahuaska, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.440 but I feel like it's it's not out of the 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:31.000 question for me. And I'm just like, why would you 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.880 just want to be chilling around, like driving your car 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.440 going to work on d m T. That's horrible, um, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.080 because like micro docing is just like, oh, you can 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.040 live your life. They did talk to a lady who 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.880 has been micro docen mushrooms for I think she said 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.680 six years. And I don't think it's micro at that point. No, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.080 it still is. You you take tripping, you take like 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:58.080 a hundred of what you would take normally. So it feels, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.040 I have read, it feels as though you are like 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.800 you can drive, you can do whatever. You're not tripping, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.360 you're not hallucinating. It's just kind of like a mood elevator. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.440 And then you do that on like day one, and 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.080 then you don't do it for another three days. I think, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.320 and then you do it again. So like it's this 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.440 very specific prescribed thing, but it sounds like with the 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.480 therapeutic kind of prescription that would have actually not been 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.600 a micro dose. Is that right? That she had someone 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.040 who was like she So in her case, they kind 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.640 of they do a thing where they talked to like 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.600 two experts and then they do a bunch of like 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.960 just interviews with people who have had different experiences. So 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.800 they talked to a guy who had like PTSD after 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.640 being in Afghanistan and did and did a therapeutic trial 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.640 with m d m A and it like changed his life. 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.120 And then they talked to this this other lady who 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.160 had been micro docing on mushrooms did it, as far 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.480 as I could tell, completely just like on her own. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.920 She just kind of did it and um because she 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.400 had been suicidal for years and um and then kind of, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.520 you know, I guess it just basically cured her of that. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.400 That's what she said. UM. And so it's like kind 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.879 of a range of experiences. It's it's very much just like, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.800 let's hear what this person has to say. That's what 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.320 is like Joe Rogan is to just be like, I'm 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.280 not taking a stand. I'm just letting this person say 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.840 what they think about things. And like with Joe Rogan, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.080 it's like quite genocide, but with Goop, You're right, it's 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.360 much It's just like doing like just tripping in Jamaica. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.199 I'm like fine and like and the people who like 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.600 the maps people that she talked to actually seemed like 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.520 super knowledgeable and like down to earth, and like they 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.439 were really stressing, like, you know, you want to do 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.159 this stuff in a control setting if you're trying to 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.400 do it for therapy, like I'm doing air quotes right now, 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.359 but it's like then you know, you need to make 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.159 sure that you know what you're doing first. I was 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.080 engineered for therapy originally. Yeah. Yeah, and they kind of 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.280 talk about they kind of glide through the history of 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.879 that a little bit, so like I don't know, I 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.399 was like very compelled by that. I like watching people 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.480 like trip. It's just like kind of fun I watch 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.000 all the dumb, like cheesy documentaries on d MT and 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.919 stuff like that, like I'm into it. Um and the 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:07.639 Arrow wid Cinema, Oh definitely. Um. Yeah. It was just 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.239 like her staff. It was funny because it's like all 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.280 the senior staff of GUP going to Jamaica and then 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.720 like lying around on yoga mats and crying like it's 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.080 just like, all of a sudden, I'm going to watch 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.680 the goople. It's like very it's fun viewing, I will say. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.600 I was like, I was like, how much longer is 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.760 this going to be? Like, like how far is this 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.919 going to go? Like, um, that's when she commands them 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.080 to do the blood ritual. Well, the funny thing is 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.600 so that one, so I think throughout she's kind of 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.159 using the staff of Group as like her guinea pigs. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.280 I only watched two episodes, but the second one was 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.359 sort of interesting because that was the orgasm episode. This 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.240 isn't the second. I skipped ahead because I wanted to 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.920 go to the two juiciest ones UM. And that one 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.919 was interesting because all the staffers on that one that 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.960 had apparently like volunteered to be a part of this episode. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.320 We're all on the younger side and like Junior and 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.840 one of the main people they focused on was like 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.200 an accountant at Group UM and they was she having 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.080 a ton of orgasms or no she was not, And 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.479 she was like very afraid of intimacy and didn't want 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.880 to be touched and stuff. So she went to this 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:09.000 like hardcore. This this woman Betty Dodson who's like ninety 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.560 years old. Ye, she's famous. Yeah, she's been like a 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.840 sex therapist forever and does these workshops where like sounds 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.480 like my personal nightmare. But it's just like women sit 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.240 around in a circle naked and like basically like spread 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:21.880 their legs for each other and they all admire each 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.200 other's bechas full of us I should say, um, yeah, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:31.399 this is classic. Yeah, like yeah, um so they she 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.040 does that. Um. And then there's this other, much more 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.720 stupid seeming workshops. Sorry, I don't want to judge. It 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.040 just seemed very that's what you're here to do with 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.679 good lab I'm fine. I didn't I didn't remember the 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:44.359 name of the lady who did this other one that 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.199 was like the light version of that, But it was 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.479 just like we're going to get in touch with their 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.760 sensuality and like take selfies of each other with flowers. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.280 Are you telling Are you telling me that Gwyneth Paltrow 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.560 made HBO is real sex? I mean this episode is 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.760 basically like a real sex episode had that vibe, and 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.720 I will give her credit. There was a lot in 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.159 a weird way. There's a lot of vol the shots 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.480 in this episode, Like there's full on nudity in the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:15.920 episode and like like close ups. Yeah yeah. Um. I 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.520 was like not expecting that, and I was like kind 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.760 of like good on you, Like I was grateful that. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.639 Like it wasn't like, oh, we're going to get in 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.199 touch with her bodies, but it's all going to be 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.960 like we're gonna look like at a model of acclitist 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.080 or whatever. Um. Again, I couldn't find anything to hate. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:32.800 It didn't feel like I was being sold anything. It 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.919 was more like, let's let's look at this thing. Like 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.040 I kind of just had this. I'm interested in this, 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:39.920 let's look at this. I'm gonna send my staff out 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.440 to do it. And I don't know. I think, as 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.760 I said before on the podcast, like I think that 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.359 people project a lot more onto Gwyneth Paltrow's celebrity personality 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.240 than it is actually they're like I think she doesn't 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.680 take herself nearly as seriously as as like jokes about 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.199 her and groups seemed to imply. So, I don't know, 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.159 it seems very good nature. Like it's like, again, I 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.800 find it impossible to hate. There's something about her for 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:06.960 me where it's like, even when she's trying to make 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.719 fun of herself, she's like, oh, I'm making fun of 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.000 myself for all having a laugh at my expect it 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.960 feels like it doesn't feel like to go back to 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.640 where we were talking about with Sophia Coppola, Like, I mean, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.600 a lot of the stuff she was talking about was 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:26.320 just like this whole thing of just like because people 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.879 assume that you're, you know, rich and successful and stuff 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.400 like that, that you don't have trauma, that you don't 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.920 have like depression and stuff like that, and that that's 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.320 actually kind of a super capitalist way of thinking of things, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.479 Like it's just like, oh, if you have money, then 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.320 you're happy. And I don't know. It's like I don't 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.040 I didn't exactly like cry river for her at that moment, 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:52.720