Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: one fifteen am at the Sahara Motor Hotel and you're
Speaker 1: refering tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to Nightcall, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your strange days and lonely nights. My name is
Speaker 1: Emily Yoshida. I am here in Los Angeles, and with
Speaker 1: me as always are Molly Lambert and as Lynch. We
Speaker 1: got a nightcall. Uh. I guess everybody's just really amped
Speaker 1: for the new Sofia Coppola movie, which is called On
Speaker 1: the Rocks. I think it's going to be her uncut gems.
Speaker 1: This is my early prediction. But um. We got an
Speaker 1: email from Dawn Um just you know, looking back at
Speaker 1: the career of selfcope, and it says, hello, night Call.
Speaker 1: April is the twentieth anniversary of Virgin Suicides, and I
Speaker 1: thought it would be a good occasion to talk about
Speaker 1: Sofia Coppola's debut. Do you have any connection or fond
Speaker 1: memories with the Virgin Suicides book, film, or soundtrack. Was
Speaker 1: it a part of your teenage years or did you
Speaker 1: find it later on as a guy. I'm curious what
Speaker 1: a group of women think about it. I didn't watch
Speaker 1: it until I was in my twenties, but the dreaminess
Speaker 1: and dull nostalgia hypnotized me to the point where I
Speaker 1: immediately read the book down. Thanks for the email. Down.
Speaker 1: Um what what when did you guys see Virgin Susie?
Speaker 1: Do you see you when it came out or not
Speaker 1: in the theater? Yeah? I think I saw it right
Speaker 1: when it was released on video. I had read um
Speaker 1: the books book. You had read it before it came out. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I probably read it like after the movie
Speaker 1: was released, but before I saw it it. And I'm
Speaker 1: not the hugest fan. I think Emily is a fan
Speaker 1: of What the Virgen Suicide. It's like the most tolerable
Speaker 1: of Sofia Copolist movies. I mean, if anybody doesn't know,
Speaker 1: I'm the number one Sofia Coppola hater. So I come
Speaker 1: into this with a bit of I guess I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't be as much of a hater as Emily,
Speaker 1: so I'm like trying to think of something part of
Speaker 1: my brand. I think it's hard to separate one's feelings
Speaker 1: about Sofia Coppola from the fact that she's like the
Speaker 1: only female filmmaker of that era and that class of
Speaker 1: directors that got anything made so well. She wasn't the
Speaker 1: only female filmmaker of that era. There was Jane Campion. No, no,
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean like of the like Spike Jones,
Speaker 1: like of the music video crew. She was, you know,
Speaker 1: so I think she definitely, uh is not my favorite director,
Speaker 1: but I think she gets probably I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think she's just she's kind of a visual stylist
Speaker 1: more than a plot and dialogue person um. I also
Speaker 1: don't like Antonioni movies, right because the same you know,
Speaker 1: I just I don't love moping around fashion e movies.
Speaker 1: I don't mind fashion e movies, but I think like
Speaker 1: as a purely stylistic exercise and like as a debut,
Speaker 1: as a like very memorable, like visual debut. I think
Speaker 1: that Virgin Suicides like creates a lot of the Sofia
Speaker 1: Coppela mythology that lasts and like gives her like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of charitable feelings towards her. I think largely
Speaker 1: because of this film, because it was such a like
Speaker 1: it looked it didn't really look like anything else at
Speaker 1: the time, and it didn't really feel I think I
Speaker 1: was probably also like a teenager at that time and
Speaker 1: like too aware of being marketed to as a teenager.
Speaker 1: There's that for sure. See I was I was between
Speaker 1: so it was all like very cool. I think I
Speaker 1: was more like a rest I think I also just
Speaker 1: was like, why is this like more interesting looking woman,
Speaker 1: like just because became a theme in her work as
Speaker 1: it went on, like why is she is so obsessed
Speaker 1: with like marian blondness. But then I'm like, again, that's
Speaker 1: like what all male directors make movies about. That's like
Speaker 1: the whole like Hitchcock thing, and like species which we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about writer is very much about that.
Speaker 1: But I feel bad for her in a weird way,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, like so sad. He was always
Speaker 1: like why is she so sad? Like she has everything,
Speaker 1: and all her movies are about like how like you
Speaker 1: can have all this material wealth and it doesn't make
Speaker 1: you happy, which is like not the least interesting thing
Speaker 1: for movies to be about. Sure, it's just over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. I mean, like, this is the
Speaker 1: last time she'll do middle class until Lingering, I'm going
Speaker 1: to say again. Though, then I read Easy Rider's Raging
Speaker 1: Bulls and I was like man does seem like difficult
Speaker 1: pair to have and like stressful to have parents that
Speaker 1: are like to have a dad that's so famous. Like
Speaker 1: I think there's something about the people that you have
Speaker 1: envy before because you're like their lives are so charmed,
Speaker 1: everything must be so great, and like, well maybe that's
Speaker 1: why she made the virgin suicides? Is it someone being
Speaker 1: like their lives are so charmed, everything must be so Also,
Speaker 1: her brother like died in a boat accident. You know,
Speaker 1: like her life is not without tragedy. And obviously when
Speaker 1: I think about it, I'm like a lot of the
Speaker 1: rich kids that I knew growing up had like really
Speaker 1: horrible family lives and like a lot of inner conflict
Speaker 1: and trauma. And it did seem like, oh, they have
Speaker 1: all these material things, but like it doesn't seem fun. Sure,
Speaker 1: I did you guys all read the book? Have you
Speaker 1: guys all read I have not read the book. I
Speaker 1: read the other Jeff for Ugenityes book, The marriage Plot.
Speaker 1: Oh god, woof, woof you guys? Are you guys went
Speaker 1: to Brown? Um? Yeah, it's just because you're like you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose in the love triangle to of it posture
Speaker 1: Wallace I mean, I think I read a lot of
Speaker 1: Jeffrey eugenitys and was never was never like wow, this
Speaker 1: is my author, but was like, what you must keep going.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why I did that myself. I
Speaker 1: think for whatever reason, he was very much pitched as
Speaker 1: like if you're young and you are interested in literature,
Speaker 1: then like Jeffrey, yeah, and it's like it feels youthful.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know. I I did read
Speaker 1: Virgin Suicides, and I think I liked the books, but
Speaker 1: I was very interested to know what I thought about
Speaker 1: it now, and I make it very into the liked Middlesex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never read Middlesex. I only read this one and
Speaker 1: marriage plot. I guess, I don't know. There was something
Speaker 1: like I don't inherently think like, oh, it must be
Speaker 1: bad because it was told from the point of view
Speaker 1: of these boys, Like I don't know that it would
Speaker 1: be more interesting if it was told from the point
Speaker 1: of view of the girls, especially if a guy wrote it,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know. I I am all
Speaker 1: conjecturing because I haven't read it since I was a
Speaker 1: very INTERNETI movie in a way too, because it was
Speaker 1: like a perfect movie for getting condensed down to jips
Speaker 1: and things for Tumbler. I mean, that's all Tumbler is.
Speaker 1: So I think also we're probably like maybe a little
Speaker 1: burnt out on it because of Tumbler in a way
Speaker 1: that might not be totally fair to it. I think
Speaker 1: it has its moments and Kirsten Dunst is great. It
Speaker 1: also introduced I feel like it was early on the
Speaker 1: wave of the big two thousands esthetic trend of like
Speaker 1: handwritten kind of scrawl as like a design it's a
Speaker 1: graphic designers movie. Absolutely, yeah, like whatever, it was like
Speaker 1: ahead of its time in some ways on that regard,
Speaker 1: so like I don't hate it for that. And again
Speaker 1: it did begin the long amazing string of performances by
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunces, like really depressed girls that we love yea
Speaker 1: culminating in Melancholia so which also I hated by the way. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: we should do a whole Kursten Dunce. We could do
Speaker 1: a large Von Tree or I would well it's spoilers alert.
Speaker 1: We might have a Patreon mini series, uh coming or
Speaker 1: not mini series but ongoing series where we might be
Speaker 1: able to explore such things. So if you have any
Speaker 1: thoughts about Sofia Coppola will take them for all time.
Speaker 1: I'm always here. It's about Sofia Coppola. Um, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like kind of waiting with bated breath about whatever
Speaker 1: this movie. The best thing about this movie so far
Speaker 1: the new movie with Bill Murray and it uh whatever.
Speaker 1: That doesn't narrow it down at all, but Bill Berry
Speaker 1: plays a guy who's based on her dad supposedly, and
Speaker 1: Rashida Jones plays a character who's based on her. It's
Speaker 1: it's about like having a fucked up dad. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'll see it. Have you seen Somewhere right? Is
Speaker 1: Somewhere secretly good? That's the one I feel like people
Speaker 1: are like, Somewhere is real bad. I kind of liked something,
Speaker 1: but I like parts like the whole thing. I thought
Speaker 1: that ice skating with the cool with cool. I think
Speaker 1: I've said this before, but my parents were watching The
Speaker 1: Newsy and a True Detective and they were like, who
Speaker 1: is this actor Stephen Dorff? Is this fresh young face? Yeah? Um.
Speaker 1: The one thing about Somewhere that I'll always remember, and
Speaker 1: it's also like one of my many pet peeves with
Speaker 1: Lost in Translation, is that like she either needs to
Speaker 1: go to a strip club or stop doing scenes with
Speaker 1: strippers in them because she does not know what whip.
Speaker 1: That could be said of a lot of directors. It's true. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean some people do it for readings reasons or
Speaker 1: like TV reasons, but like, have you ever seen a
Speaker 1: Michael Bay movie, Like those strippers are just like wall
Speaker 1: to wall just to be there. Yeah. Um, well, the
Speaker 1: only true depiction is the bottoming booming, truly realistic depiction
Speaker 1: of like the day shift, yes, of anything, just like
Speaker 1: standing around kind of overly air conditioned room. To me,
Speaker 1: it looks really sweaty and oh no, its like it
Speaker 1: would be kind of drafty and just smell like kind
Speaker 1: of stale. Like I agree with the smell for sure.
Speaker 1: The bottoming smell is we've all experienced the bottom bottoming.
Speaker 1: We should do a Sopranos, Paul, Oh, we should do
Speaker 1: a Sopranos. Get to that later in future episode. Um,
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more talk about the
Speaker 1: fancier Sofia Coppola, The Children of Hollywood Royalty, Daughters of Hollywood.
Speaker 1: We are back. Hello. Um, it is Friday, January. This
Speaker 1: is the day Emily has been waiting for her whole life.
Speaker 1: It is the official premiere of the group Lab on Netflix. Um.
Speaker 1: I did get up at seven o'clock to watch just
Speaker 1: two episodes. It's like where the Gwyneth Paltrow We don't
Speaker 1: have to do anything, you do it for exactly just
Speaker 1: like in the show. Yeah, you just sit back and
Speaker 1: get all the experiences secondhand. Um. Although I think she
Speaker 1: eventually like does something and she talks about doing like
Speaker 1: M D M A and Mexico and one of the episodes,
Speaker 1: I'm like to see the anniversary party. Um. Yeah. So Goop,
Speaker 1: which is Gwyneth Paltrow's lifestyle brand which she has had
Speaker 1: since two thousand eight, uh, is now they now have
Speaker 1: a show on Netflix which is just like six episodes.
Speaker 1: It's not very extensive. I was actually surprised how few
Speaker 1: episodes they did where they kind of just like field
Speaker 1: test all the wacky wellness uh treatments and experimental whatevers
Speaker 1: that they kind of hype on the site. Although it's
Speaker 1: way more I think it's the site and the newsletter
Speaker 1: tends to be more about like food and like objects
Speaker 1: like do dads like health. Do you remember it being
Speaker 1: a lot of like the hotels you stay at when
Speaker 1: you're in London for a few months. There is that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that as back to it too. I mean the
Speaker 1: chill turned firehouse is great. You have to be a member,
Speaker 1: but of course I am. Don't you have a pizza
Speaker 1: oven in your backyard? Yeah, that was one of the
Speaker 1: early things she got shipped for. It was the pizza oven.
Speaker 1: She's trolling now, she is, well, that's the thing about
Speaker 1: the show. Johanna Candle was trolling and like this whole
Speaker 1: show is going to be a troll. It is, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely trafficking in the more extreme aspects of group.
Speaker 1: The things that she gets more like flak four. I
Speaker 1: feel like, here's what I think Goop is the Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan for women, because she's like, oh, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I approve or disapprove. I'm just like letting you see
Speaker 1: this insane thing. It's offensive, but not it's not that offensive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, like you don't think she's like endorsing snake
Speaker 1: oil or like, I really don't there is, in fact,
Speaker 1: I need to get it off of my phone. But
Speaker 1: there is a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode
Speaker 1: that basically says like this is not actual medical advice
Speaker 1: lease consult with the doctor, which is always funny whenever
Speaker 1: I see those, which it's like a kind of blanket
Speaker 1: disclaimer that's used for a lot of things. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who has a doctor? Um, because most people don't because
Speaker 1: insurance is insane in America. But UM, it's definitely more
Speaker 1: on the like more experiential, and I guess because it's
Speaker 1: a show that's just stuff that films better and it
Speaker 1: feels like an infomercial. No, no, not at all. UM.
Speaker 1: It feels Mr Rogers in a weird way, just because
Speaker 1: it's just like we're gonna sit and we're gonna learn
Speaker 1: about something. And I think I don't know the first
Speaker 1: one that I watched, which I think is the first
Speaker 1: episode and whatever, there's no real order to them. But
Speaker 1: the first one is about um therapeutic uses of psilocybin mushrooms. UM.
Speaker 1: I was sort of surprised that they did mushrooms instead
Speaker 1: of ayahuasca. Um because they don't want to show people vomiting.
Speaker 1: I guess so well. Her assistant is one of the
Speaker 1: people who goes on this trek to go, um do
Speaker 1: the mushrooms, and he had our aready done ayahuasca before
Speaker 1: and had like a really bad experience on it. So
Speaker 1: he was sort of talking about like wanting to have
Speaker 1: a more gentle trip or whatever. But um, where did
Speaker 1: he go to do the mushrooms? Peru? Just asking the mushrooms?
Speaker 1: They went to Jamaica. And there's this group that she
Speaker 1: talks to costrooms legal in Jamaica, yes apparently, or it's
Speaker 1: like unregulated right night. Called Jamaica sounds like something everybody
Speaker 1: will come home from very alive and us feeling great
Speaker 1: our summer super thriller special. That's the Patreon goal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: called Jamaica. We'll go to Jamaica and just do mushrooms
Speaker 1: forever and uh yeah, if you pay for us well,
Speaker 1: um yeah. So she talks to this group called Maps,
Speaker 1: which is uh they do like um kind of very
Speaker 1: regulated therapeutic applications of like m D M A and mushrooms,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, they didn't mentioned ayahuasca, but I
Speaker 1: feel like that has to be a part of it
Speaker 1: as well. I'm just like it feels ahuasca is the
Speaker 1: elephant in the room of this episode, because that is,
Speaker 1: to me, like the bougie lady thing that you do
Speaker 1: to like. But maybe they've moved on to microdocing. I
Speaker 1: honestly have heard that what the really bougie New age
Speaker 1: yuppies do right now is to vape d MT. That's
Speaker 1: so stupid, doesn't sound like a nightmare, sounds so dumb.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, Like I I have not done
Speaker 1: any I have not done d m T here Ahuaska,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's it's not out of the
Speaker 1: question for me. And I'm just like, why would you
Speaker 1: just want to be chilling around, like driving your car
Speaker 1: going to work on d m T. That's horrible, um,
Speaker 1: because like micro docing is just like, oh, you can
Speaker 1: live your life. They did talk to a lady who
Speaker 1: has been micro docen mushrooms for I think she said
Speaker 1: six years. And I don't think it's micro at that point. No,
Speaker 1: it still is. You you take tripping, you take like
Speaker 1: a hundred of what you would take normally. So it feels,
Speaker 1: I have read, it feels as though you are like
Speaker 1: you can drive, you can do whatever. You're not tripping,
Speaker 1: you're not hallucinating. It's just kind of like a mood elevator.
Speaker 1: And then you do that on like day one, and
Speaker 1: then you don't do it for another three days. I think,
Speaker 1: and then you do it again. So like it's this
Speaker 1: very specific prescribed thing, but it sounds like with the
Speaker 1: therapeutic kind of prescription that would have actually not been
Speaker 1: a micro dose. Is that right? That she had someone
Speaker 1: who was like she So in her case, they kind
Speaker 1: of they do a thing where they talked to like
Speaker 1: two experts and then they do a bunch of like
Speaker 1: just interviews with people who have had different experiences. So
Speaker 1: they talked to a guy who had like PTSD after
Speaker 1: being in Afghanistan and did and did a therapeutic trial
Speaker 1: with m d m A and it like changed his life.
Speaker 1: And then they talked to this this other lady who
Speaker 1: had been micro docing on mushrooms did it, as far
Speaker 1: as I could tell, completely just like on her own.
Speaker 1: She just kind of did it and um because she
Speaker 1: had been suicidal for years and um and then kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it just basically cured her of that.
Speaker 1: That's what she said. UM. And so it's like kind
Speaker 1: of a range of experiences. It's it's very much just like,
Speaker 1: let's hear what this person has to say. That's what
Speaker 1: is like Joe Rogan is to just be like, I'm
Speaker 1: not taking a stand. I'm just letting this person say
Speaker 1: what they think about things. And like with Joe Rogan,
Speaker 1: it's like quite genocide, but with Goop, You're right, it's
Speaker 1: much It's just like doing like just tripping in Jamaica.
Speaker 1: I'm like fine and like and the people who like
Speaker 1: the maps people that she talked to actually seemed like
Speaker 1: super knowledgeable and like down to earth, and like they
Speaker 1: were really stressing, like, you know, you want to do
Speaker 1: this stuff in a control setting if you're trying to
Speaker 1: do it for therapy, like I'm doing air quotes right now,
Speaker 1: but it's like then you know, you need to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know what you're doing first. I was
Speaker 1: engineered for therapy originally. Yeah. Yeah, and they kind of
Speaker 1: talk about they kind of glide through the history of
Speaker 1: that a little bit, so like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: was like very compelled by that. I like watching people
Speaker 1: like trip. It's just like kind of fun I watch
Speaker 1: all the dumb, like cheesy documentaries on d MT and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like I'm into it. Um and the
Speaker 1: Arrow wid Cinema, Oh definitely. Um. Yeah. It was just
Speaker 1: like her staff. It was funny because it's like all
Speaker 1: the senior staff of GUP going to Jamaica and then
Speaker 1: like lying around on yoga mats and crying like it's
Speaker 1: just like, all of a sudden, I'm going to watch
Speaker 1: the goople. It's like very it's fun viewing, I will say.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, how much longer is
Speaker 1: this going to be? Like, like how far is this
Speaker 1: going to go? Like, um, that's when she commands them
Speaker 1: to do the blood ritual. Well, the funny thing is
Speaker 1: so that one, so I think throughout she's kind of
Speaker 1: using the staff of Group as like her guinea pigs.
Speaker 1: I only watched two episodes, but the second one was
Speaker 1: sort of interesting because that was the orgasm episode. This
Speaker 1: isn't the second. I skipped ahead because I wanted to
Speaker 1: go to the two juiciest ones UM. And that one
Speaker 1: was interesting because all the staffers on that one that
Speaker 1: had apparently like volunteered to be a part of this episode.
Speaker 1: We're all on the younger side and like Junior and
Speaker 1: one of the main people they focused on was like
Speaker 1: an accountant at Group UM and they was she having
Speaker 1: a ton of orgasms or no she was not, And
Speaker 1: she was like very afraid of intimacy and didn't want
Speaker 1: to be touched and stuff. So she went to this
Speaker 1: like hardcore. This this woman Betty Dodson who's like ninety
Speaker 1: years old. Ye, she's famous. Yeah, she's been like a
Speaker 1: sex therapist forever and does these workshops where like sounds
Speaker 1: like my personal nightmare. But it's just like women sit
Speaker 1: around in a circle naked and like basically like spread
Speaker 1: their legs for each other and they all admire each
Speaker 1: other's bechas full of us I should say, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is classic. Yeah, like yeah, um so they she
Speaker 1: does that. Um. And then there's this other, much more
Speaker 1: stupid seeming workshops. Sorry, I don't want to judge. It
Speaker 1: just seemed very that's what you're here to do with
Speaker 1: good lab I'm fine. I didn't I didn't remember the
Speaker 1: name of the lady who did this other one that
Speaker 1: was like the light version of that, But it was
Speaker 1: just like we're going to get in touch with their
Speaker 1: sensuality and like take selfies of each other with flowers.
Speaker 1: Are you telling Are you telling me that Gwyneth Paltrow
Speaker 1: made HBO is real sex? I mean this episode is
Speaker 1: basically like a real sex episode had that vibe, and
Speaker 1: I will give her credit. There was a lot in
Speaker 1: a weird way. There's a lot of vol the shots
Speaker 1: in this episode, Like there's full on nudity in the
Speaker 1: episode and like like close ups. Yeah yeah. Um. I
Speaker 1: was like not expecting that, and I was like kind
Speaker 1: of like good on you, Like I was grateful that.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like, oh, we're going to get in
Speaker 1: touch with her bodies, but it's all going to be
Speaker 1: like we're gonna look like at a model of acclitist
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. Again, I couldn't find anything to hate.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like I was being sold anything. It
Speaker 1: was more like, let's let's look at this thing. Like
Speaker 1: I kind of just had this. I'm interested in this,
Speaker 1: let's look at this. I'm gonna send my staff out
Speaker 1: to do it. And I don't know. I think, as
Speaker 1: I said before on the podcast, like I think that
Speaker 1: people project a lot more onto Gwyneth Paltrow's celebrity personality
Speaker 1: than it is actually they're like I think she doesn't
Speaker 1: take herself nearly as seriously as as like jokes about
Speaker 1: her and groups seemed to imply. So, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it seems very good nature. Like it's like, again, I
Speaker 1: find it impossible to hate. There's something about her for
Speaker 1: me where it's like, even when she's trying to make
Speaker 1: fun of herself, she's like, oh, I'm making fun of
Speaker 1: myself for all having a laugh at my expect it
Speaker 1: feels like it doesn't feel like to go back to
Speaker 1: where we were talking about with Sophia Coppola, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff she was talking about was
Speaker 1: just like this whole thing of just like because people
Speaker 1: assume that you're, you know, rich and successful and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, that you don't have trauma, that you don't
Speaker 1: have like depression and stuff like that, and that that's
Speaker 1: actually kind of a super capitalist way of thinking of things,
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, oh, if you have money, then
Speaker 1: you're happy. And I don't know. It's like I don't
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly like cry river for her at that moment,
Speaker 1: but I think that like there's something somewhat sympathetic there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting that all these older actresses want
Speaker 1: to like transition into lifestyle brands rather than being actors. Yikes.
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to call her an older actress,
Speaker 1: a normal aged a normal aged actress. What I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I'm not like, she's not
Speaker 1: like the greatest actress in the world either necessarily, so
Speaker 1: the like line I draw is selling people things, and
Speaker 1: so I'm much more sympathetic to the idea of this
Speaker 1: TV show because also, I I too love to watch
Speaker 1: people tripping out. And honestly, I used to watch I'm
Speaker 1: Talk Sex with Sue. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have watched the Talk Sex with Sue didn't well she
Speaker 1: was of an Also, I don't know if she's still alive,
Speaker 1: but I was watching this back in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: and I forget what channel it was even on. But
Speaker 1: Sue is a Canadian sex therapist and she was probably
Speaker 1: in her late seventies or early eighties at that time,
Speaker 1: and she would just take calls. It was like sexy
Speaker 1: night calls, but it's only her um and she could
Speaker 1: take calls and demonstrate cock rings and stuff. But there's
Speaker 1: something really great about seeing like an ancient feminist. He's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, let's take a look in there. Oh
Speaker 1: it looks great. You should be so glad, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just like that's I didn't know that was what
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow wanted for herself. Yeah, well she didn't know. Um,
Speaker 1: this was sort of like one of these things that
Speaker 1: came out before the series debut, Like she didn't know
Speaker 1: the difference between a vulva and a vagina, and like
Speaker 1: and like and like is interchanging it in front of
Speaker 1: this sexologist and then she's like, wait, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the vulva though right now you're not talking. She's like,
Speaker 1: what's the difference? Like, you know, a lot of ladies
Speaker 1: get through life without knowing, so I'm you know again,
Speaker 1: Props for her for being curious and wanting to her.
Speaker 1: There was a very good blind item about her in
Speaker 1: Pop Bitch, which still comes out and it's amazing this week.
Speaker 1: Um that said in the nineties she had a different
Speaker 1: phone for each boyfriend that she was dating at the time.
Speaker 1: Seems smart. That made me like her. She's a spy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should approach dating always like Espiona. Absolutely. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: talking about kind of selling snake oil even though this
Speaker 1: show is not that. Um. We did want to talk
Speaker 1: for a second about Jane Ree's podcast The Dream, which
Speaker 1: is in its second season, because it is so good.
Speaker 1: This is I don't know if I mentioned that when
Speaker 1: I was getting my cavity filled. I listened to the dream.
Speaker 1: It was the perfect thing to listen to when you're
Speaker 1: in pain and afraid about people ingesting essential oils, which
Speaker 1: is not something you should do. Well at least you
Speaker 1: were getting like a time tested procedure are done. But
Speaker 1: are you saying there's no ingesting essential oils type things
Speaker 1: in the group show you don't think her general brand
Speaker 1: promotes like tri alternative medicine, but that's very different things.
Speaker 1: Some alternative medicine is proven to work, and the thing
Speaker 1: about essentially essential oils I have a deep interest in
Speaker 1: because I was targeted, as many mothers are, by a
Speaker 1: number of Facebook people who are called Hans in the
Speaker 1: multilevel marketing industry, and they are people and like Atillo
Speaker 1: of the hunh Yeah, well Hans because they're like, hey, Hans,
Speaker 1: but it is spelled Hans. It's not spelled homes um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got all of these and this was
Speaker 1: a while ago, so I at first wasn't even sure
Speaker 1: what to make of it, and was like they seem
Speaker 1: like they're really excited about what I'm doing with my career,
Speaker 1: which is nothing, and they want to bring me into
Speaker 1: this entrepreneur opportunity based on me having done nothing for
Speaker 1: a while because they just had a baby. Like, great,
Speaker 1: they see my potential. But then very quickly I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, it's a pyramid scheme. Um. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: second season of this podcast is amazing. Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: one was mostly it was all about lm MLMs and
Speaker 1: and things. She could not actually say pyramid schemes without
Speaker 1: the risk of getting sued. But we can say pyramid
Speaker 1: schemes here on our public can say what ever we won? Yeah,
Speaker 1: an old ponzi um. And this current season is about
Speaker 1: the wellness industry, which has like a lot of intersectors
Speaker 1: so much overlap. Yeah, because she starts off talking about
Speaker 1: the essential oils, thaying I did not realize I learned
Speaker 1: from the first episode about the essential oils that the
Speaker 1: reason they're supposed to work is because of vibrations, is
Speaker 1: because of frequency. But that's what's interesting is that there's
Speaker 1: a section of people who believe that there's there are
Speaker 1: a million different justifications. But when jam Rae was interviewing
Speaker 1: some of her relatives in this and they were speaking
Speaker 1: very you know, passionately about the vibrations of each different
Speaker 1: and and saying, like, you know right that your body
Speaker 1: has vibrations. You know that there are vibrations that are
Speaker 1: in these elements, and like it's similar with crystal. I
Speaker 1: mean that's there's really no difference between essential oils and
Speaker 1: crystals in terms of their applications. Well that is that
Speaker 1: that would be the different size of those people. In crystals,
Speaker 1: you can slight powder that ship. Yeah, I think people
Speaker 1: um like that. There's skincare that involved. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say I had a friend who was selling
Speaker 1: in a semi type thing. Well, you can also put
Speaker 1: a crystal in your water bottle and have it infused
Speaker 1: the water with the vibrations, but that's harmless. I think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the vibrations could get passed on?
Speaker 1: Is that? How does that? I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: all fake something, it's electrical, saying where do you draw
Speaker 1: the line? Like, obviously I do think that, like psilocybin
Speaker 1: therapy is a real thing. But who's going to be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I believe essential oil is a real thing, and
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to believe what I Belie's like anti vactor's
Speaker 1: it's like arguing with them makes you go crazy. You
Speaker 1: certainly are allowed to use essential oils however you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, tea tree oil is common in skincare, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. You can you know, if you're in a pinch,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could put clary sage on something and
Speaker 1: it would do some thing there stranded with oils to
Speaker 1: your inside. I mean, do you ingest that, like I
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything bad? Yes, yes it does, it does
Speaker 1: bads not too much of it, we can't. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can. I mean, in any like minuscule amount,
Speaker 1: I doubt any of it would hurt you. I mean obviously,
Speaker 1: like you could get lemon oil from lemon peel and
Speaker 1: like ingest it. But it's the question is these things
Speaker 1: are not food grade. And that's the other I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really the distinction is that you could I'm sure
Speaker 1: integrate like a certain oil into like something if it
Speaker 1: were tested and made sure that it was safe. But
Speaker 1: some of these there's one brand, in particular, Young Living,
Speaker 1: that markets itself as the brand of essential oils that
Speaker 1: are so pure that you can ingest them, but nobody's
Speaker 1: making sure that that's correct. Siler alert it is not correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I kind know went into this season of
Speaker 1: the Dream feeling like I'm less of like a hardline
Speaker 1: person about this stuff with crystals. I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: if something makes you feel good and you buy it,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like you could buy a pain
Speaker 1: for you know, a comparable amount of money as a crystal,
Speaker 1: and like if it if you put it in your
Speaker 1: home and it makes you feel good, who's to say
Speaker 1: like it's bullshit, Like whatever you do, whatever makes you
Speaker 1: feel good. Um, But I think like when it gets
Speaker 1: into the substituting it for actual medicine and healthcare, that's
Speaker 1: that's and I think that there are plenty of people
Speaker 1: who do market this stuff and don't market it as
Speaker 1: a substitute for actual healthcare, where it's just like this
Speaker 1: is just like addition on to like, you know, your
Speaker 1: normal way of caring for you take your crystals. How
Speaker 1: does spiritual experience recently with a crystal? What your cat? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's yeah, that was really intense. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we have enough time, I think you should share
Speaker 1: because I was like, wow, that's a great example of
Speaker 1: what crystals are for. Well, first of all, I have
Speaker 1: to shout out everyone in the night Colors Facebook group
Speaker 1: who some of you have shared stories. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: we actually got a prompt to talk about pet grieving rituals,
Speaker 1: which I think will take at a later point. But
Speaker 1: um sometimes people come on and they share, like, you know,
Speaker 1: their feelings, and they someone had lost a cat, their
Speaker 1: cat had died. My cat was in the process of
Speaker 1: dying at that point. And also someone mentioned that maybe
Speaker 1: it was Emily. There were there were like a bunch
Speaker 1: of cats. I knew so many people whose cats died
Speaker 1: around the time that your cat. It was super really weird.
Speaker 1: So did I and like, yeah, someone in the Facebook group.
Speaker 1: But um my, so we we do have some crystals
Speaker 1: at my house, the mostly the very cheap and small kind.
Speaker 1: But when my father in law died, he gave us
Speaker 1: a big geo that had been cut in half. So
Speaker 1: there were like these two like three foot tall geode
Speaker 1: has in our living room. Haven't found their real home
Speaker 1: in there yet, but we're working on that. So my
Speaker 1: cat died. He was Ventina. He was really old. It
Speaker 1: was a super horrible and depressing thing to see because
Speaker 1: he was my kiddie, but he was we were We
Speaker 1: had an appointment to have him be euthanized because he
Speaker 1: was in such bad health, and he like he was
Speaker 1: a very smart cat, and he kind of like said
Speaker 1: his goodbyes before the euthanasia appointment, and he ended up
Speaker 1: dying the night before the that was going to come.
Speaker 1: But he'd always he had his like hang out spots,
Speaker 1: as many cats do, and none of them were in
Speaker 1: the living room. But then when he was very sick,
Speaker 1: he started hanging out in this like little spot in
Speaker 1: the living room. So he got him a little bed,
Speaker 1: and but he never moved from that spot. And when
Speaker 1: he died, he went over to the geode and like
Speaker 1: wrapped himself around the geode and that's where we found him,
Speaker 1: and we were he had never gone near those things,
Speaker 1: and we were like, what is it mean? Was he
Speaker 1: like drawn many different theories? When I bring this up,
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, he was like drawn to kind
Speaker 1: of like the earth elements because he wanted to go
Speaker 1: outside to die, as all hats do, but we don't
Speaker 1: let them outside because there are coyotes. So I think
Speaker 1: I was like, I could read this either as like
Speaker 1: perhaps my father in law was like in the spiritual
Speaker 1: realm and like he was going to something that he
Speaker 1: had given us or that he like maybe felt a vibration.
Speaker 1: And I don't totally believe any of this. In fact,
Speaker 1: I hardly believe it, but that's what makes it cool.
Speaker 1: But when you're like really sad, it kind of gives you,
Speaker 1: like I mean, and and that's also on the flip side.
Speaker 1: The bad thing about crystals and you know, oils and
Speaker 1: stuff like that is that people tend to cling to
Speaker 1: those things when they are very sad or very desperate,
Speaker 1: like even because they have no medical care that they need,
Speaker 1: or because they're just feeling have anxiety or they're isolated
Speaker 1: or whatever. And people rely on a lot of confirmation
Speaker 1: bias around that stuff too, exactly. I mean. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fund up things about the health care
Speaker 1: system and thought especially about mental health care well, and
Speaker 1: women's health care too. I mean, that's like the point
Speaker 1: that's really underlined in the first episode the dream is
Speaker 1: just like that women's health has been so understudied compared
Speaker 1: to men's health that like a lot of times, like
Speaker 1: far more often, like women will have the experience of
Speaker 1: going to the doctor because something's wrong, and like it's
Speaker 1: never diagnosed correctly because it's just been it hasn't been
Speaker 1: studied well enough, and so like then you have women
Speaker 1: who like can't get the help that they need from
Speaker 1: a traditional health system, so they end up turning into crystals.
Speaker 1: And essentially it was or whatever, and it's like the
Speaker 1: blame is all over the place, like the people who
Speaker 1: are taking advantage of people, but also just like the
Speaker 1: system that is not working for those people to totally.
Speaker 1: And I think also with reproductive and maternal health that
Speaker 1: there's this, you know, sense that doctors don't believe women
Speaker 1: about those things. And I mean, I don't remember if
Speaker 1: it was pro Publica or um the New York Times
Speaker 1: he did this series on maternal death rates in the US,
Speaker 1: I think like last year, UM. But an underlying thing
Speaker 1: is that a lot of women who have post birth
Speaker 1: complications are so quickly dismissed. And in my experience, even
Speaker 1: you know, having great insurance and great doctors, there were
Speaker 1: times when I felt as though my concerns about my
Speaker 1: body were totally dismissed because people are really quick to
Speaker 1: write concerns off as hormonal or you know, you're struggling,
Speaker 1: you're figuring it out, and so I think, like, you know,
Speaker 1: there is this sense of like you know your body
Speaker 1: and no one else believes you so like at a
Speaker 1: certain point. And I think that's also why a lot
Speaker 1: of this is marketed from women to other women. It's
Speaker 1: you feel like, okay, well they understand, so it's super dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to listen to the episode about the birth,
Speaker 1: like do uh at home birth type thing. It's like
Speaker 1: it's a lot um speaking of at home births. We'll
Speaker 1: be right, bad species, we are back, we are continuing
Speaker 1: our track. We're actually concluding our trek. This is the
Speaker 1: final episode of Unnerving c g I January, which is
Speaker 1: not bad c g I. It's early c g I.
Speaker 1: It's like c g I Finding It's footing and also
Speaker 1: the movie Cats thrown in there. Um. We have a
Speaker 1: nightcall related to computer animation from listener Christina. Hello, nightcall,
Speaker 1: thanks to your unsettling c g I January idea. I'm
Speaker 1: about to rent the director's cut of The lawnmower Man tonight.
Speaker 1: Against my better judgment, I'd like to be a massive
Speaker 1: nerd and discuss Canadian short film called Tony to Peltry,
Speaker 1: in which an abject potato man plays the piano for
Speaker 1: seven hours. It's deal is that it's the first computer
Speaker 1: animation to depict a human character expressing emotion, which I
Speaker 1: guess is probably true. At the time of its release,
Speaker 1: it was considered a tremendous achievement and it's insane that
Speaker 1: it was made in the early eight However, this hardly
Speaker 1: needs to be said. It's also a fucking nightmare. It's
Speaker 1: crazy that, despite whatever technological advances we've made in the
Speaker 1: intervening years, every movie still looks like this To me,
Speaker 1: every time I go to the movies, I settled into
Speaker 1: my seat after getting high in the bathroom, and I'm
Speaker 1: basically forced to watch Tony to Peltry and its entirely
Speaker 1: six to eight between six to eight times. Is it
Speaker 1: just me, your friend, Christina? Um, we highly recommend that
Speaker 1: you look up Tony to Peltry. It's only six minutes.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It really does change the way you
Speaker 1: think of watching anything at all. To be honest with you, Um, so,
Speaker 1: why do you think they settled on his face looking
Speaker 1: like that? Like it's an animation, you can make anything
Speaker 1: look however you wanted to look. They did not know
Speaker 1: that yet. This was from It's Canadian and it is
Speaker 1: the first animated human character to express emotions. I think
Speaker 1: it was it was a claim mold um that they
Speaker 1: then like mapped, Yeah, they mapped it um. It won
Speaker 1: a ton of awards. John Lasseter loved it um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's he he's a very fascinatingly, he looks like he's
Speaker 1: had bad fillers. It looks like it's like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it looks okay. It does look like panos um.
Speaker 1: It is a very like it's a meditation. It's very Canadian. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's extremely Canadian. It is about a piano player who
Speaker 1: is like thinking about when he was popular while he's
Speaker 1: playing the piano. I'm going to say it's French Canadian.
Speaker 1: It is French and he is French Canadian. It feels
Speaker 1: French Canadian. There's no one in it but here La Chapelle,
Speaker 1: Philippe bergeron Daniel langueop because it's like when you think
Speaker 1: about what we use c g I for now, it's
Speaker 1: not generally like interiority. I guess in Pixar Move it tries,
Speaker 1: but this is actually there's something about how he's isolated
Speaker 1: and also like how the piano kind of plays itself
Speaker 1: like he's playing piano and then it's like playing itself.
Speaker 1: But I won't spoil the ending, but the ending really
Speaker 1: worked for me. Guys. It's certainly did. It is sad.
Speaker 1: It's a bittersweet melancholia. It's not horribly manipulative other than
Speaker 1: it's trying like it is. It was created to manipulate you,
Speaker 1: but the way it does it, it seems like a
Speaker 1: genuine effort is so powerful. Um that the fact that
Speaker 1: in America we don't use it that much for things
Speaker 1: for adults is kind of like extremely to our detriment obviously,
Speaker 1: but also it's because it's so scary. Yeah, it's too powerful.
Speaker 1: Having having endless possibilities for your characters that you care
Speaker 1: about is a horrifying prospect. It's like they used to
Speaker 1: call animators like you know, some something early Disney guys stuff.
Speaker 1: They were like actors with pencils. Like that's a phrase
Speaker 1: that was used a lot because like you have to
Speaker 1: be able to draw emotion, like to be a good animator,
Speaker 1: you have to know like what your face looks like
Speaker 1: and like how the human face works with emotion or like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't be at least you can't be a character
Speaker 1: animator without that. And yeah, it feels like that's sort
Speaker 1: of let I don't know, maybe it's just gotten to
Speaker 1: such a science now that people like, there's just a
Speaker 1: handbook at Pixar that tells you how to do it
Speaker 1: and you don't actually have to have any empathy or something.
Speaker 1: If you make fun of the Dreamwork style where you
Speaker 1: got the arched eyebrow, you know, like the B with
Speaker 1: it B movie, it was like, don't don't you sorry?
Speaker 1: How dare I not get B movies? Title correct? B movie?
Speaker 1: But you know it's like an arched eyebrow and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: m but the DreamWorks is much more like cynical yeah,
Speaker 1: less about a little touchy feeling, a little shittier looking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the Pixar is like too, it's like a two
Speaker 1: overproduced you know song. It's just like everything is like
Speaker 1: plusciously beautiful. I mean, ironically, Wally ended up being the
Speaker 1: most kind of like emotionally affective without a yeah dystopian.
Speaker 1: Oh I I well, when I first watched Wally, it
Speaker 1: had been built up so much that I really didn't
Speaker 1: vibe with it. And then later when it was kind
Speaker 1: of introduced as like, there's nothing to watch, maybe let's
Speaker 1: just put this on I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I think, I love Wally. It was by that point
Speaker 1: no longer cool to like Wally, so I felt like
Speaker 1: it was an open door for me to like Wally.
Speaker 1: Wally is part of my robots don't have gender's crusade.
Speaker 1: What do you mean like Wal like Wally and the like?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, I thought it was I was like,
Speaker 1: why are people gendering these robots? We don't know what
Speaker 1: robots don't have genders. It's never specifically laid out, is it.
Speaker 1: Did they ever refer to Wally as a boy? I
Speaker 1: think maybe in Disney? Well, I don't know. Actually, should
Speaker 1: look up the Wikipedia and see if they refer to
Speaker 1: Wally as an it or a he. I'm going but
Speaker 1: who would refer to Wally? I mean the people in
Speaker 1: the It would be like only in like a Wikipedia article,
Speaker 1: like some official record that describes it as a heat.
Speaker 1: I had been under the impression, like always the B
Speaker 1: B A, one of my favorite fictional robots from the
Speaker 1: Walt Disney Company, was a girl because I had I
Speaker 1: guess I had assumed it was like a male gendered
Speaker 1: robot because all of them are in Star Wars. But
Speaker 1: then somebody was like, no, bb, it is actually like female.
Speaker 1: General is like oh cute, is voluptuous curves and apparently
Speaker 1: it's a heat like somebody refers to Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a heat. And in the most recently I got mad
Speaker 1: about that too, like that don't have genders. That's their robots, Um,
Speaker 1: Wally and EV don't have gender, as it says for
Speaker 1: sure because the whole Wikipedia article they call them by
Speaker 1: their whole names each time they refer to them. Nice alright,
Speaker 1: somebody's looking out. I don't necessarily I never got the vibe.
Speaker 1: It was like implied because he had like a slightly
Speaker 1: lower robot. It was just like, why does the male
Speaker 1: themed robot get to be the junkie robot and the
Speaker 1: female robot has to be like the sleek ipototuristic robot. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of in human beings that are definitely gender, we
Speaker 1: watched the nine nine Wait five five? Why Why do
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie is so much older than
Speaker 1: that species, which is concluding our our c G I series. Um,
Speaker 1: none of us have ever seen it before. It seems crazy.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about this about how we mentioned
Speaker 1: that we were watching it to some men who all said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, you haven't seen it. You're a girl.
Speaker 1: You didn't see it at like a sleepover where everyone
Speaker 1: watched it because this movie is famous for having tits
Speaker 1: on an alien, lots of tits, for being right at
Speaker 1: the event horizon when you still needed to go to
Speaker 1: the movies for something like that. Yeah, it very much
Speaker 1: has an early kind of maxim magazine feel to it.
Speaker 1: The star Natasha Henstridge, I think it was like heavily
Speaker 1: featured in lad Mags at the time, lad mag lad Mags,
Speaker 1: which I guess helps the box office. And yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like that whole that like the wild Things thing of like,
Speaker 1: well you got to go to the theater to see tits,
Speaker 1: like like, I don't know, it feels very queen. They
Speaker 1: that's what's so great about it is they lure you
Speaker 1: in with tits and then they they keep you forever
Speaker 1: with cinema. And I just can't imagine being like a
Speaker 1: ten year old boy watching this, like how does that
Speaker 1: affect you sexuality for the rest of your hunting you
Speaker 1: they're hunting near they want to kill you. This movie
Speaker 1: has the most amazing cast. It's an incredible This is
Speaker 1: a stacked and it starts with just like all of
Speaker 1: these names. And I think it's too bad we weren't
Speaker 1: watching it together because I think we all have the
Speaker 1: same reaction to being like, they're in this, let's do
Speaker 1: them too. And they do the very old school thing
Speaker 1: of like starring in alphabetical order. So even in alphabetical order,
Speaker 1: it goes like Ben Kingsley, Michael Madison, Alfred Moulina, Forest Whittaker,
Speaker 1: like just up top, and they're basically like the don't
Speaker 1: leave off March. Well, yeah, March Helgenburger. She's she's not
Speaker 1: seven of nine, but is she from a sci fi franchise?
Speaker 1: She has a real shining star trek. She has like
Speaker 1: a she's in She's in c S I the UM
Speaker 1: yeah she uh. And also Michelle Williams. Yeah, a little
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams. And I saw Michelle Williams in the front
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not it's baby Michelle Williams,
Speaker 1: like pre Dawson's Creek Michelle Williams. This movie fucking rules.
Speaker 1: It loved it. You know what else it is. It's
Speaker 1: a great l A movie here that was a bonus.
Speaker 1: The Millennium built More Hotel is UM featured frequently. UM
Speaker 1: that's where the cool club is, the Sahara Motor Hotel,
Speaker 1: which we shouted out in the intro. There's a great line.
Speaker 1: So the movie is about. Let's explain what the movie
Speaker 1: is about. In case you haven't seen Species. Some scientists
Speaker 1: are got some alien DNA with instructions. With instructions, it's
Speaker 1: basically contact. Like at the beginning, it starts with the
Speaker 1: shot of the r c BO radio telescope, so you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is hard sci fi. We're watching some hard sci fi.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, Ben Kingsley is kind of like this
Speaker 1: power hungry scientist who's like I will. They decide to
Speaker 1: like use the the alien DNA to create a female
Speaker 1: because they think it'll be easier to control and manage.
Speaker 1: And so Michelle Williams is baby alien and she's really
Speaker 1: cute and she's in like a little bubble. And then
Speaker 1: they noticed that she gets like cranky in her sleep
Speaker 1: and seems like scary, so they think like, okay, we
Speaker 1: should kill her with cyanide. They also she grows really fast.
Speaker 1: She looks like she looks like a tween at the
Speaker 1: beginning of it, and but she's apparently just like a
Speaker 1: few weeks old. Or something or like a month old
Speaker 1: or something. So she's growing really rapidly. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: breaks out of her bubble when they try to poison
Speaker 1: her because also she can lip read and so and
Speaker 1: she just looks at things and she's like, I get it.
Speaker 1: So like she'll later she'll kind of look, she's on
Speaker 1: a train, like, so she escapes and she just kind
Speaker 1: of picks up how to do things just by seeing
Speaker 1: it once. So she's like, right, okay, like I just
Speaker 1: while I grab a bag and I look like a
Speaker 1: person who's walking onto a train. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a kid. I'm not going to hassle her. And
Speaker 1: later when she well, we should say that she transforms
Speaker 1: in a very brutal, credible It's like we're talking about
Speaker 1: this ostensibly because of the c g I, but the
Speaker 1: practical effects again, like this are incredible. Use of slime,
Speaker 1: there's so much like there's like really it's like very
Speaker 1: good kind of dark. It's like Hrar did like the
Speaker 1: design of the alien that she becomes, and but like
Speaker 1: all of it has that kind of gross, dark kind
Speaker 1: of slim. There's a shot of some regular worms that's
Speaker 1: really effective. Well, so she she has a human form,
Speaker 1: but her true form is like a gray tentacle writhing
Speaker 1: mass of stuff. Like also she can like shoot tentacles
Speaker 1: out of her nipples. Oh yeah, such a cool trick.
Speaker 1: Whish I could do. Cannot, but yeah, so she Michelle
Speaker 1: Williams on the train. I guess that she just realizes
Speaker 1: at a certain point that she needs to function up.
Speaker 1: And also she's like maturing into a woman, so she
Speaker 1: goes into an alien and then she's having like nightmares
Speaker 1: about transforming further. She's going, yeah, she's having and then
Speaker 1: Natasha Henstridge is born naked, covered in slime with boobs
Speaker 1: right out front from the aliens drop out of this
Speaker 1: like it's like basically she builds a cocoon for herself
Speaker 1: and the like I guess, like a bathroom stall on
Speaker 1: the train, and like descends out of it, like falls
Speaker 1: out and like kind of this you know, goop, like
Speaker 1: this sort of amniotic group, and it's just it's like,
Speaker 1: I know it's supposed to be sexy because it's like
Speaker 1: a naked lady, but I'm just like it's so gross.
Speaker 1: I really admired it. Yeah, I'm very I'm very happy
Speaker 1: about how gross the whole movie is just supposed to
Speaker 1: make you feel horrible about the feelings that you're having
Speaker 1: while watching it. And that's an interesting sensation to be, like,
Speaker 1: do you think that this movie? Because while I was
Speaker 1: like reveling and how gross it was and how much
Speaker 1: I liked it and how like vaginal the thing that
Speaker 1: she comes out of isa that I watched draw Delaneys Jackie,
Speaker 1: which explains what and I thought it was a cloak
Speaker 1: because it's also in a children's book bizarrely, but it
Speaker 1: is the whole that a bird has that everything comes
Speaker 1: out of. Oh yeah, clo waca, just like a berthing.
Speaker 1: It's birthing and doing everything else one does out of that.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a whole. Okay, yeah, well she yeah,
Speaker 1: she falls out of this thing and it's very vaginal.
Speaker 1: And and I had this thought, even while I was
Speaker 1: very happy about what I was seeing, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is meant to make you terrified of women? Is
Speaker 1: it like inherently misogynistic to have it be like so
Speaker 1: like so many fluids and so many empowering I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. But I was like, because it
Speaker 1: obviously obviously a bunch of men made this movie, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, what did they think they were doing?
Speaker 1: Because I know how I received it. The reviews dunked it,
Speaker 1: I think for being super misogynistic, but and I do
Speaker 1: think but watching it as a woman, you definitely feel
Speaker 1: that it's kind of subtly feminist, but by accident, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like anti human, which is amazing, but it
Speaker 1: it's sort of like it's I don't know if it
Speaker 1: meant to be about stuff this much, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: like this, this super airy and looking woman coming and
Speaker 1: like destroying the world that all these like male scientists
Speaker 1: and Mark Helgenberger, who's a tough chick, are trying to
Speaker 1: make and they all kind of like are too dumb
Speaker 1: not to like fall for it, you know, like they're
Speaker 1: very smart technically, but they also are like, but I like,
Speaker 1: she's so hot, What am I gonna do? Not have
Speaker 1: sex with alien? So she also has only one motivation
Speaker 1: once she has grown, and that is to breathe, and
Speaker 1: she she goes to a glove and just says to guys,
Speaker 1: I want to have a baby, give me a baby.
Speaker 1: And she can like weirdly screen them with her eyes
Speaker 1: to see if they have things like diabetes, and if
Speaker 1: they do, she's like, no way, I gotta find someone else.
Speaker 1: There's totally like a pre Me Too scene, except that's
Speaker 1: just that she doesn't want to do this guy because
Speaker 1: he has diabetes, and she's like sussed that out with
Speaker 1: her like super Center. She kills him in his sweet
Speaker 1: glass bricks may and Chin yeah, because he's like trying
Speaker 1: to her into having secks and it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is great. Um. And she kills people by like
Speaker 1: putting her tongue through their skull, which I that I
Speaker 1: remembered seeing because they did it. Uh they won Best
Speaker 1: Kiss at the MTV before. Oh that's great. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I My my boyfriend was like, oh, this movie reminds
Speaker 1: me of Where's Jolne the short that I just made.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's great because the only direction
Speaker 1: I gave my friend was like act like you've never
Speaker 1: seen Earth before and everything is new. And Natasha is
Speaker 1: very good. She's like basically silent except for when she
Speaker 1: says I want to have your baby right now people
Speaker 1: at a club. But it's like she picks everything up
Speaker 1: from television at the hotel and then she does everything
Speaker 1: that she picked up from television, including dyeing her hair.
Speaker 1: I would venture to say that, like it's an actually
Speaker 1: really tough and good performance, like it's like the naivete
Speaker 1: of it and is like very funny and very like precise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just assumed that she was like actually from Europe
Speaker 1: or something because of her name, but she's Canadian. Well
Speaker 1: then she was method acting when she yells at the
Speaker 1: guy in the club, I'm boring. Yeah, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: Like I think it's a very funny. It is funny
Speaker 1: when she goes when they're like she's going to l
Speaker 1: a like a mobile population. Nobody knows each other and
Speaker 1: this possibility old so hard at that it was amazing.
Speaker 1: So Alfred Molina, it's very cute. I said, he looks
Speaker 1: like Oscar Isaac. He has like but you know, the
Speaker 1: I read that there was an initial criticism was like
Speaker 1: everybody hated his hair and he has Hugh Grant hair.
Speaker 1: That thing wrong with that man's hair. Also funny to
Speaker 1: be firmly back in like the Michael Madsen era, because
Speaker 1: also I just rewatched Free Willie when I was there.
Speaker 1: Michael was really he is the like really he's the
Speaker 1: mean but card of go old Foster Dad kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: And I totally didn't remember Michael Matt's Free Will. How
Speaker 1: does Free Willy hold up? Just out of curiosity? For
Speaker 1: me really well, for my children not so much. I
Speaker 1: read that. I read that Michael Madson and Mark Helgenberger
Speaker 1: got to improvise their sex scene. I love. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very like it feels like an obligatory like two
Speaker 1: people on the team are going to get together, but
Speaker 1: it's like feels very believable in adult and being like
Speaker 1: you're a piece of ship it. I like that. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know it, Yeah, that works for all of us. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had very little to complain about in this. I
Speaker 1: did think like it once it kind of gets into
Speaker 1: like the the climax aspect of it. It just like
Speaker 1: it does feel like, oh, this is just feels like
Speaker 1: every movie in the nineties, like if you remember seeing
Speaker 1: a movie at a sleepover, like the lay the lighting works,
Speaker 1: like the music, the fact that like their explosions sometimes
Speaker 1: and you don't know where they came from suddenly underground
Speaker 1: for finale, Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And he's like,
Speaker 1: but I guess I'm watching a movie, so I guess
Speaker 1: this was bound to happen. As reminded me a little
Speaker 1: bit of the finale of It, the TV miniseries of It,
Speaker 1: where it's like the thing is like the thing is
Speaker 1: that's scary is Tim Curry and clown makeup, or like
Speaker 1: a scary hot blonde woman that's an alien When they
Speaker 1: become their like final form, it's supposed to be scarier.
Speaker 1: It's like way less scary. Yeah, yeah, because she like
Speaker 1: fully transforms and she has a baby. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and she has a baby when she's like dying. It's
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina's character's baby. Correct. Yeah, yeah, she she sicks,
Speaker 1: that'sfully copulates with Alfred Molina. He has the good d
Speaker 1: and then like so totally kills him. That was Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was sad. Sorry spoiler. Um, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like most people. We're probably the last people. Did
Speaker 1: you guys? Read in Wikipedia the chupacabra connection? Oh and
Speaker 1: I quote a five year investigation into accounts of the chupacabra,
Speaker 1: a well known cryptid revealed that the original sighting report
Speaker 1: of the creature in Puerto Rico by Madeleine Tolentino may
Speaker 1: have been inspired by the character Sill, who's the alien
Speaker 1: in this movie. This was detailed in paranormal investigator and
Speaker 1: skeptic Benjamin Radford's book Tracking the chip A Cabra. According
Speaker 1: to Virginia Fuguerino of Memorial University of Newfoundland, writing for
Speaker 1: the Journal of Folklore Research, Radford found a link between
Speaker 1: the original eyewitness report and the design of Sill in
Speaker 1: her alien form and hypothesized that species which Tolentino did
Speaker 1: see before her, citing influence that she believes she saw
Speaker 1: of the pcabra. Right, Yeah, I mean I think, uh,
Speaker 1: what I really agreed with about this movie was the
Speaker 1: idea that like humans are the invasive species. Is that
Speaker 1: the wait, what is that the moral of the movie?
Speaker 1: To me? Yeah, it's like humans are the most invasive
Speaker 1: species and so they get taken out by whatever the
Speaker 1: next invasive species is inevitably, sure, I guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: if somebody comes and does to humans what alien humans,
Speaker 1: what humans did to all the other animals. But we're
Speaker 1: not mating with other animals though, that's it seems like
Speaker 1: a difference. Are the animals she wants to create like
Speaker 1: an alien human hybrid. She has baby rabies for those
Speaker 1: human alien babies. But I feel like it is sort
Speaker 1: of like a maybe a shadow like low birthrate scare movie,
Speaker 1: because it's just like we're not horny enough, Like look
Speaker 1: at this lady, she's so horny. Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was like, whatever's horny er than us, we'll just like
Speaker 1: replicate the way that we did. And it's it's that's evolution.
Speaker 1: But I think isn't the point that she's it's the
Speaker 1: hybrid component is its own freaky thing. It's like you're
Speaker 1: going to have a baby with this thing and you
Speaker 1: can't help it because you didn't know. And now a
Speaker 1: race of like that's the last phase of humanity and
Speaker 1: the hybrid, the hybrid, and it's like she was sent
Speaker 1: you know, if humans are too stupid not to put
Speaker 1: the d n A in the person in the first place,
Speaker 1: they deserve everything that's coming to them. Huh. Human extinctions
Speaker 1: can take forever. For me, it's a pro human extinction movie. Okay, um,
Speaker 1: I now want to see the sequel because we're actually
Speaker 1: you want to read the fan fiction. Maybe that would
Speaker 1: be a good bonus episode. Yeah, there was a species too,
Speaker 1: and ninety eight and a species the people had direct
Speaker 1: to sci fi to people have said they're not very good,
Speaker 1: but people have said the lawnmower Man too is watchable
Speaker 1: worth watching because it's also weird. Lawn mower Man was
Speaker 1: a really good one too. Who have known the unnerving
Speaker 1: c G I month what it introduced us to movies?
Speaker 1: We actually really really also Emily saw cats. Let's end
Speaker 1: with Emily. I haven't even talked about my cats experience
Speaker 1: because I was still like trying to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, the experience, what do you want? I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like a very fun theatrical experience because it
Speaker 1: was actually we thought that there was going to be
Speaker 1: nobody seeing cats, but it was actually about a half
Speaker 1: full theater and everybody was just i think on the
Speaker 1: same wavelength where they were there to just like like
Speaker 1: have their jaws drop at how insane cats is. It's
Speaker 1: a fun group experience. Nobody prepared me. People prepared me
Speaker 1: for a lot of things about cats. Nobody prepared me
Speaker 1: for inter c Elba's um disrobing. Speaking of human animal
Speaker 1: hybrids like big sexual energy, made such all over the
Speaker 1: place decisions like some of them have brass, but nobody
Speaker 1: has male genitals like a male cat would. Nobody either
Speaker 1: you would think they would seem more prominence in the
Speaker 1: cat What what's the deal with Idra Salva disrobing? Well,
Speaker 1: it just hope it's a very cavity as a very
Speaker 1: mr Cat. Mystery Cat is a very Wait is he
Speaker 1: the mystery cat? Yeah, he's a mster cat. He's called
Speaker 1: the hidden Paw because the magic cat is mr a
Speaker 1: magic cat, mry cat, magic cat. Okay, but he's he's
Speaker 1: a very short haired, brown, very shorthad. Does he have
Speaker 1: a lion cut? I don't know what that is. It's
Speaker 1: a shamed Oh no, no, he's not shaped. And he's
Speaker 1: like as close as he could be a shaved and
Speaker 1: he wears a big fur coat like a pimp coote. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's sort of implied that he is a pimp, like
Speaker 1: and that like he has enlisted all these various cats
Speaker 1: to like sex work. Like that's like, did you get yes,
Speaker 1: you think he's Grizabella's pimp. Yes, she went over with
Speaker 1: with the cavity and now she's like a disgraced woman
Speaker 1: like and but she's not a woman, she's a cat.
Speaker 1: She's just cats, female cat. But it's all about Victorian
Speaker 1: morality cats. But wait, he disrobes. Well, yeah, he has
Speaker 1: a big musical number with Taylor, Yes, musical number with
Speaker 1: Taylor's swift as his hype man and um, and then
Speaker 1: he takes off his coat and he's just like it's
Speaker 1: just just el but naked, like he's tooral definition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like and my immediate it was like this
Speaker 1: is in yourself was called because he got an amazing
Speaker 1: shape for cats, and it's like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do all this and have it covered up by like
Speaker 1: digital fur. I want everybody to see my body, my
Speaker 1: cat's body. All of the cats bodies are very sense
Speaker 1: you know, because they're like dancers, but that is like
Speaker 1: Cats was all Leotard's and this is just like digital form,
Speaker 1: which is just like fake for on top of someone's body,
Speaker 1: but you can see their green screen, which again, you know,
Speaker 1: what I was thinking is you know what would be
Speaker 1: like more horrifying than Cats is dogs. Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: but but like as Cats was done, there's versus Dogs.
Speaker 1: That was one of the songs that was cut. But
Speaker 1: just imagine, like I'm just thinking of like you know,
Speaker 1: Judy Dench, like as a dog. Do you know about
Speaker 1: the Starlight Express for their trains their trains. Um you
Speaker 1: want to say agelical thanks to Taylor Swift for she
Speaker 1: stuck up for stuck up for Calts. She owned up
Speaker 1: to it. She said that she was happy. She said
Speaker 1: she would never regret experience being participating in such a
Speaker 1: weird ass movie. And she was friends with Andrew Lloyd
Speaker 1: Webber now, so she has no regrets. She has no regrets,
Speaker 1: so shellychall. Thank you Taylor Swift, you will be remembered
Speaker 1: on the right side of Cat's history. Um well, thanks
Speaker 1: everybody for hanging with us through Unnerving c g I January.
Speaker 1: This was fun. We got to do more more movie
Speaker 1: series on our soon to come Movies Club bonus episodes
Speaker 1: that will be coming to Patreon and we'll be back
Speaker 1: in February with some movies about spooky romance, weird love,
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