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Speaker 2: And and he was like, hell, every time I see

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Speaker 2: Like it's just a lot of people moving, like because

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Speaker 2: like you like, yo, what is a punt?

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Speaker 1: Like you're trying to like you're trying to move your

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Speaker 3: To the wrong person. You don't know about none of that.

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Speaker 3: It's cool. Yeah, I was tam I got you. I

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Speaker 1: I know you don't do special teams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was drafted pretty high, so I skipped that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations, you kept a lot more brain cells.

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Speaker 2: And it takes me long to realize, like, yo, I

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Speaker 3: What if everybody.

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Speaker 5: I'm Peanut Till and this is the NFL Player's Second

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Speaker 5: Acts Podcast and with me as always as my trustee

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Speaker 5: co host, Roman Harper, and I'm so excited about this

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Speaker 5: next guest. He just got here and we're just gonna

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Speaker 5: get right into it. This guy is a three time

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Speaker 5: pro bowler. He is one of the top fifty Seattle

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Speaker 5: a designer, Super Bowl champion. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome

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Speaker 5: Michael Binnett to the past.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 3: All right, So what is it, Phil?

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Speaker 4: You just kind of brought it up, your boy Bobby

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like, I don't know, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think everybody on our team

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Speaker 2: And I think he's taking that and tripled that and

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Speaker 1: Just give where he goes.

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Speaker 2: Whe every team he's on, he's made an impact, whether

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Speaker 2: you see a lot of young guys, you never know

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Speaker 2: to see Bobby get that award, you know, recognize his

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Speaker 1: He wins this award.

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Speaker 2: I mean the team didn't play good, but at least

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Speaker 1: I think that's really important. For me.

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Speaker 2: It was a big honor because you know, me and

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Speaker 3: Where does that honor?

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Speaker 1: Top one of the top three?

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Speaker 3: Tell me this, where does it the award go?

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Speaker 3: Well it makes sense. I always wanted to know, so

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Speaker 2: I think I had an opportunity to be around so

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Speaker 2: It was just like, you know, Dan was always on

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Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, no, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you get on the team and you try to

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Speaker 1: Who's just hurt. No, you can't hurt your finger a

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Speaker 1: good time, non shooting finger. You talk, what does he

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Speaker 4: Tell you it's some Laker fans in here, So like, bro,

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Speaker 4: that's a bad like it's a bad place for us

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Speaker 2: Telling you like no, Luca was a better trade though.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Cliff April and how he was opposite defensive

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Speaker 4: Indue you, but like, what is it like when you

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Speaker 4: has different, different skill sets, And how great is it

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Speaker 2: I think you learned a lot of different things from

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Speaker 2: It's like his speed, the power and getting around the edge.

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Speaker 2: It's like things in the past rush game that he

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Speaker 2: taught me. Right, It's like, okay, well, Michael, you need

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Speaker 2: cause it's like you got to have that symbiotic relationship,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Then the first time you get out there, you start

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Speaker 2: happening for anybody. Right, It's like then it's like sometimes

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you get out the ball first, I gotta

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Speaker 2: of improve my game, is like learning more about how

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Speaker 1: Right, because the.

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Speaker 2: Guard once they sit, they just they can't move like

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Speaker 1: I can literally start at.

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Speaker 2: A two technique and move to a three technique before

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Speaker 2: I think using that as a part of my game

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Speaker 2: I think that was really important learning that type of skill,

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Speaker 2: the run game. Like that was just something that was

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Speaker 2: like normal to me. It's like, you know, just to

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you do. I just do that.

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Speaker 1: I just that was just it right.

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Speaker 2: It's like since I was a kid, I like I

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I just wouldn't because I was a

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Speaker 4: Of course, everybody tell about that that running back that

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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't running back. It's okay. I was a

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Speaker 2: And then you know, you go to practice and big kids,

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Speaker 1: You're like, yo, he's a really good running back.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I could do what he can do.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I guess I go play

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Speaker 1: Like you know.

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Speaker 2: The coach was like yeah, you know, like it was

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Speaker 1: He just he just was like it's okay. It couldn't

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Speaker 2: If he would have got the grades we were, he

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Speaker 2: at running back that when I saw him start playing

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Speaker 1: I was like, y'all, don't know, man, maybe maybe I should.

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Speaker 2: Do something else UK receiver look, you know, like, but

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Speaker 2: Courdy was so good that the coach was like, yo,

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Speaker 2: you should play defense, and I was just like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I'll go play defense.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't really play defense until I was like

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Speaker 5: It was the same thing we were talking about earlier

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Speaker 3: It's like fifty kids.

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Speaker 2: So no, DVB's the hardest position on the field, though

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Speaker 2: it is it is, it is tell me this then, nobody.

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Speaker 3: What was your Welcome.

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Speaker 2: To the NFL. Welcome to the NFL. I have two

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Speaker 2: give them to him. The first one was against Walter Jones. Man,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I don't know why. Every time I

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Speaker 2: still hurts, right, because it's one of those things.

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Speaker 1: Like you know what was one of them people that was.

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Speaker 2: Like like, it's like somebody made him here, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: God was like this guy like, this is why I

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Speaker 2: want to be an office alargnment. Here's my here's my

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Speaker 2: and it's like there's very few people like that, right.

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Speaker 2: Julie Peppers is like, here's here's the guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Charles Wilson like, yeah, here's what he's supposed to look like. Right,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like with Walter Jones, man, I was

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Speaker 2: rook And Walter Jones told me one time, you need

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Speaker 2: to slow down. Nobody could beat me. And I messed

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Speaker 2: like he had his chin strap undone. I saw that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he clicked that. Hey, I still knew that

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 1: Boy, he pushed me so hard. Boy.

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Speaker 2: I still I still have dreams about that like it

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Speaker 1: Did he finish you? I mean, he just threw me

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Speaker 1: with He was the strongest human I ever met.

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Speaker 3: Get thrown out the club white.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Hilardi Naughty was the strongest suit human I ever met.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hellodi's huge.

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Speaker 2: Holodi was the strongest person I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: So tell me the second one. The second one, Carl Nicks.

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Speaker 3: Oh big Carl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because when he came to Tempa Bay and he

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Speaker 2: kept telling me that, hey, I'm gonna tell you again,

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Speaker 1: Boy, you know, I feel like, you know that that.

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Speaker 2: Little prayer thing they had, like did Jesus walking behind

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Speaker 2: I could see his foot person his hand printed my

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Speaker 2: my chest just started to stop for a second breathing.

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Speaker 2: Just because car was a huge human, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. And every day he had to go get

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Speaker 2: everybody else nine times, you know, So it was like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a massive person.

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Speaker 5: And what point did you know it was time to

445
00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,680
Speaker 5: retire playing this game.

446
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I had to make myself retired though,

447
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 2: because I felt like like I was like sitting there.

448
00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,320
Speaker 2: I was in Dallas, and I was like, it's like, man,

449
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,520
Speaker 2: I grew up. None of the guys wanted to be models,

450
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 2: and I feel like now everybody wanted to be a model,

451
00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like every guy wanted to

452
00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,480
Speaker 2: walk down the catwalk, right.

453
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, this is just different, you

454
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:02,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

455
00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,480
Speaker 2: I'm so used to like people having screwdrivers in their

456
00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,040
Speaker 2: hands and like changing the tires and like, you know,

457
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,200
Speaker 2: like it was just like a different It was different,

458
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,960
Speaker 2: like people like a different vibe, Like they checking the Twitter, like, yo,

459
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:15,560
Speaker 2: we lose it.

460
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,960
Speaker 1: You try to see what they're talking about. You know,

461
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,040
Speaker 1: we lose it. Why are you checking Twitter? I feel

462
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,280
Speaker 1: like it was just like I just came.

463
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,880
Speaker 2: I was like the last of like the two days

464
00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,320
Speaker 2: and all old school, the old school.

465
00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,240
Speaker 1: So I was like a part of the old school

466
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:27,720
Speaker 1: of football.

467
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,720
Speaker 2: So I came in like it was two days and

468
00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,159
Speaker 2: we had all the old vets and like, so I

469
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,960
Speaker 2: came in like at that time where it was like,

470
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, people, you're going to practice, you get knocked out,

471
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And and so it's like

472
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I transitioned all the way to the end,

473
00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,439
Speaker 2: and I just like felt like I'm too old for

474
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:44,800
Speaker 2: this game.

475
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm too old for it, right.

476
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,560
Speaker 2: It was like and then I was in there and

477
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,800
Speaker 2: I was just like I was at the Cowboys, and

478
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,119
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know, I feel like

479
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 2: it's just a different game. And I felt like I

480
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,600
Speaker 2: came from the generation of where it was like really

481
00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,960
Speaker 2: important to have like.

482
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 1: Honor and and.

483
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,720
Speaker 2: Colde and like brotherhood, and it was less about throwing

484
00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,680
Speaker 2: your you know, your guy under the bus and more

485
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,000
Speaker 2: about like standing standing together and believing in something that

486
00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,959
Speaker 2: was really more important, like winning really meant something like

487
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 2: going out there and being dominant actually meant something like

488
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,439
Speaker 2: loving the game, Like you know, you see your teammate

489
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,720
Speaker 2: get hurt and you actually shed a tear because you

490
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,959
Speaker 2: actually loved that person, Like Yo, some teams that's not

491
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,399
Speaker 2: like that. It's like, yo, it's my turn to get

492
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,480
Speaker 2: in the game, Like you know, I was waiting. I

493
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 2: would have did it myself. Thank you, Charles, you know,

494
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 2: like because it's like you took him out like I

495
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 2: did want to take him out. I was like every

496
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,000
Speaker 2: day I was, I was hoping, like it's like but

497
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,399
Speaker 2: like being on a team where it's actually love. I

498
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,520
Speaker 2: felt like that's what I had a chance to experience

499
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,200
Speaker 2: in Seattle, and.

500
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 1: That kind of like was what my experience was.

501
00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,439
Speaker 2: That was what I felt like football should be, the brotherhood,

502
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 2: the love for the game. Watching film like Gods Back,

503
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,720
Speaker 2: I ain't watch no Felm. I'm like, okay, like why's

504
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,080
Speaker 2: that good? Like it's not at all. It's not like

505
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 2: being on a game and being able to talk on

506
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,920
Speaker 2: the intellectual level about what's happening to the point where

507
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 2: coaches are respecting what you're saying.

508
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,240
Speaker 1: There's your preparation, Like that was what I came from.

509
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 2: So then I didn't have that no more, and I

510
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 2: just felt like it was kind of like it was

511
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 2: kind of missed ip member. I stood up in front

512
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 2: of the D line, I mean the whole defense, and

513
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I feel like I had

514
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,199
Speaker 2: to tell the team because I feel like if I

515
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,600
Speaker 2: didn't tell them, like I would have not retired, right,

516
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 2: I had did like stand up and like say it vocally,

517
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 2: And I said it vocally before one of the last games.

518
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, this'd be my last time playing.

519
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,640
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the NFL, like you guys should do your thing,

520
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 2: and like even when I retired, people, I was like

521
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, I was still getting calls to like,

522
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 2: you know, come play or whatever, and I was like,

523
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I just felt like I just

524
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 2: kind of And I was also like in between that

525
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 2: lane of like you know, like at one point, are

526
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 2: you are you you know, doing your family and justice?

527
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 1: Are you doing yourself injustice?

528
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 2: Right? It's like I see guys out there, like I

529
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: can still be playing too, Like today if I really

530
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 2: just went through the process of playing, like like it

531
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 2: was like, you know, older you get, the less practice.

532
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 1: You got to do. At some point, you just know

533
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 1: the game more than other people, do you know.

534
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 2: I see Claus out there, cam, everybody's out there, and

535
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 2: like I just felt like I just want to keep

536
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 2: my brain too, you know what I'm saying, And I

537
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 2: want to be there for my family.

538
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: We'll be back in a minute.

539
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Speaker 4: You had this quote about retirement, and you tell me

540
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 4: what you meant by this. It said, retiring feels a

541
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 4: little like death of self, but I'm looking forward to

542
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 4: the rebirth, the opportunity to reimagine my purpose.

543
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

544
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: I think there was like Delta, a person that I

545
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: once was. Right, It's like every person that plays in

546
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: the NFL, we get so attached to what comes with

547
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 2: playing with the NFL. You know, the people knowing you,

548
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: people loving you, and you loving loving be in love

549
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: that way, and like, you know, you come to this

550
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: place of trying to understand what's your true purpose in life?

551
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: Who are you supposed to be? Am I only supposed

552
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: to be you know, a football player? Or is it

553
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: more to me? I think that that's really important. It's

554
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: like that's really a delt depth to your ego, like

555
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: to be reborn as a new spiritual being and like

556
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: allowing yourself to fly in different ways. I think that's

557
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: really a challenge, right, It's like the challenge is trying that.

558
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: You know, it's just easy to stay committed to something

559
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 2: that you know everything about, there's nothing to imagine. Like

560
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: right now, we all can know exactly what's happening in

561
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. We know we all played in Super Bowl.

562
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: We know how the practice is going, we know what

563
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: the coach is saying. We can predict everything that's about

564
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: to happen because we went through every single schedule. We

565
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: know how bus rides happen, massages, what type of the

566
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: family pressure that people are feeling. But then like you

567
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: try something else, like you try doing the FBI, Like

568
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: that's a whole other world to try to experience and

569
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: the right the process and the determination and discover and

570
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: cannot really push my brain the way that I push

571
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: my body. And I think that's really kind of a

572
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: real challenge as ourselves to do right.

573
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Speaker 1: And I think that's really where I was.

574
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: Trying to do, is trying to really reimagine what the

575
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 2: possibilities of what Michael Bennett could be follow up.

576
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: Has Michael Bennett succeeded in that? I think I have.

577
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: I think I've always been able to, you know, being

578
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 2: undrafted has always taught me that discipline was super important,

579
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 2: and like I've always carried a chip on my shoulders,

580
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: so anything that I try to do, I try to

581
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 2: push myself to the max. Like I'm a maximalist in

582
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: a bad way, you know what I'm saying, Like like.

583
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 4: I scared my wife is a maximalist. Always throwing that

584
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 4: around too, Like I don't know if I like that.

585
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying, like, for example, like a maximumist

586
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: in a good way, not like a bunch of things.

587
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: But like I started playing tennis, right, it's like love

588
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 2: that I started playing tennis to the fact that I

589
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: think I'm going to the US Opening. So it's like

590
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 2: that's that's a problem. That's just a problem.

591
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 1: A week single eggs, this is what this is what

592
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: Federer does? You know, I need to get these jok

593
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: of issues.

594
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: To a point where it's like it's I'm only watching tennis,

595
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: like you know, I love that. So I'm like, so

596
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: anything that I get into, I just start to go

597
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: down a deep path on it. So like architecture, I

598
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: just went the first you can go like you know,

599
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to architecture school hardship, but still did it,

600
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And like still doing architecture

601
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: is my own work practice, and furniture and design and

602
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So anything that I get into is

603
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 2: like it's a I'm gonna like watch it and try

604
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: to understand it, read about it, absorb it in a

605
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: way that.

606
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: It becomes something that's second nature to me.

607
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: That's just how I always been like, And you know,

608
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's good or bad.

609
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: Like so no, I think it's good.

610
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 5: It's it's I think it's worked out for it. But

611
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 5: let's let's let's stay on that topic. So architecture, uh, writing, writing, poetry,

612
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 5: A designer football player, Why did you choose football over

613
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Speaker 5: the other ones.

614
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: When I was young?

615
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it was a path that I

616
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: understood it was like, and I feel like it was

617
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: kind of chosen too for me too. Right, It's like

618
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: growing up in Texas is so different than any other place.

619
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: Playing football, It's like you get identified, you get identified

620
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: super early. It's like yo, like, yeah, we was gonna

621
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 2: we thought you should have two englishes, but we replaced

622
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: it with extra football were we was thinking that, you know,

623
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: you actually need three p's, but we made it six.

624
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: So now you had four hours to do football during

625
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: school time, you got an.

626
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: Hour to work out watch over trade.

627
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: So it was like so it was like okay, like

628
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, well you can get a scholarship.

629
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: And like, well you can get a scholarship, and it's

630
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: like when.

631
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Speaker 4: Your GPA is going to be higher, yes, because you

632
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: know you got more physics, were planning your straight sho.

633
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: GP is going.

634
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like and it's like you get there and

635
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: it's like yo.

636
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: And then I remember like even being in college, like

637
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: at Texas and everybody was in agriculture of science and

638
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: it was so funny. I remember one of the deans

639
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: was like, you guys, yeah, we had like one of

640
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: those dean meetings with all the students in there. He's like, uh,

641
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: do you guys know which degree makes the most money

642
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: in here at the school? And I was like yeah, doctor, lawyer, engineer.

643
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: He's like no, oh, this one. They said wow.

644
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: So sir, we got every single athlete in this program

645
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: that's a good basketball, football, and baseball. Everybody was an

646
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: agricultural science.

647
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: So it was like it was like we're learning about turf,

648
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: but you know, it was actually a good degree because

649
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you can learn about the land,

650
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: learn about everything. So it was like we always had

651
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: to do study it. So it was like an interesting

652
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 2: kind of degree path. But going back, I was like, oh,

653
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: maybe I should pay attention a little bit more. But

654
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, but I feel like choosing

655
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: that was like, you know, football was such an important thing,

656
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: Like I actually loved football. Like I'm not onet of

657
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: people that'd be like, yo, I hate football, Like I

658
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: actually loved football. I actually loved everything about the history

659
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: of football, like the people that came before me. Like

660
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: I see veterans and people that I like, you know

661
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: that I walk up to and I'm just like, yo,

662
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: Like I started playing a game because of you, you know,

663
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: like they're like remember that game nineteen seventy eight, or

664
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: like this game happened in two thousand and two. You

665
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: did this move, And I was like, because I actually

666
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: loved football, Like I love the history of it. What

667
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: player went to West School?

668
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: What did they do? Who was a guy?

669
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: Like I watched guys, I watched film. I love watching film.

670
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: Grow up playing in the NFL, like I watched so

671
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: much film. I'll just be in there watching. I'll just

672
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: be like just watching.

673
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you.

674
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: Said what Justin Smith did on play forty eight against

675
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: the Saints. You know what I'm saying, Like, just because

676
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: I love football, I love though the guys that came

677
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: before me. I love the process of the people that

678
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: what they did to get to the guys who took

679
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: the NFL to make it to where it is now,

680
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Like they don't get a lot of love. But I

681
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: think a lot of the young guys don't even recognize

682
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: old players. So I remember like watching some of the guys,

683
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, like who is in that camp Scattabu, Like, yeah,

684
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: they showed him Calvin Johnson. He was like, I don't

685
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: know who this is, and they was like, oh, this

686
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson. But he knew the stats.

687
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: But if Calvin Johnson walked in front of his face,

688
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: he was no Calvin Johnson.

689
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: Like that wouldn't happen to me. You know, I would

690
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 2: know who if really Rof walked by or whoever walked by.

691
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: You know, if Reggie White was still alive and he

692
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: walked by, I'd be like, Yo, that's Reggie White. You

693
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, you know, I see Warren

694
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: Sapp or I see any great players like I saw

695
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Michael shra Haan and yesterday or you know, I was

696
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: just telling him like, man, remember that game and this way,

697
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 2: and it's just like they respect it because a lot

698
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: of times they get that they get left behind. Like,

699
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: you know, I love watching y'all when y'all play, especially

700
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: when you're watching the Saints. You guys dominated watching Chicago

701
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: Bears play defense, everybody on that defense, and the kind

702
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: of watching the midway just just out there right. It's

703
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 2: like when I played for the Tampa Bay I got

704
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: to watch it. I mean, we played against y'all so

705
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: much that we wasn't good. We never beat y'all, but

706
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: damn it was not. It was just watching y'all play defense,

707
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: you know, like Junior Goallett and everybody else's defense, and

708
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: like just the will Smith everybody just like it was

709
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: just a great team to watch. Johnathan Wilma and watching

710
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: you guys play and everybody Lance and ear Lacker and

711
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: just the whole defensive line, Israel, Tommy Harris, like those

712
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: were like those were like those like the stacked Stack team. So,

713
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: like I said, I think I also loved football, Like

714
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: I grew up wanting to be like a Tampa Bay

715
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: buccaneer growing up.

716
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: That was my favorite team growing up.

717
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 3: Random coming from Texas.

718
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: But I love Derek Brooks too, like you know, Simme

719
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: and Rice, who should be in the Hall of Fame.

720
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: He's great expires Like I was like Booker mc farland,

721
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: Warren sapp everybody on that team that was just Shelton Corals,

722
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: people that didn't get get named, like Rende Barber, everybody

723
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: else on that defense. Like I love watching them play

724
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: defense and watching Tampa two play. So I just when

725
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: I grew up, I just I just tell Warrant step

726
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: all the time. Every time I talk to Derek Brooks.

727
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: He was like, why are you approaching me like that?

728
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I respect you. You don't understand

729
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: I actually watched you playing the growing up.

730
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: Tell me this.

731
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: So first of all, you're a highly intelligent guy, and

732
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 4: shout out to you for being that person and really

733
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: showing that and really showing that personality of who you are.

734
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 4: I want to know how you kind of found your

735
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: current passion, which is designing, and you have what studiocur

736
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: the different furniture pieces comes from different historical backgrounds, different things,

737
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: Like everything seems to have a purpose in this designing

738
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 4: world that you're in right now.

739
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think design is super important. I think everything

740
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: that we enter or we feel is designed. Don't know

741
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: how we walk into a door, the size of a door.

742
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: Everything is calculated in the way the speculations of a building,

743
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: looking at how the walls are across from each other,

744
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: or even looking at freeways or looking at how people.

745
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Have access to stores. That's design.

746
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: Either design could be designed for good or it could

747
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: be designed for bad. Hostile architecture the way that people design.

748
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: So for me historically look at hostile architecture, that's a thing.

749
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: That's the thing that's like when you see like a

750
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: bench and they start putting like bars on it or

751
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: so they don't homeless people sleeping on it, or they're

752
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 2: designed something in a way that's like you look at

753
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 2: it and you're like, yo, this feels hostile in a way,

754
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Like it feels like it's going against the natural current

755
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: of way humans should be. Like the way that a

756
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: water would kind of be in a river and it

757
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 2: will flow naturally, but if a brick is in there,

758
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: it starts to it flows differently. So you look at

759
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: like a street or anything like that, somebody's designing it

760
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: to be that way. So the ghetto is not natural,

761
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: it's designed that way. It's not natural to be people

762
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: to be stacked up on each other, not to have

763
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: access to natural light, not to have access to food.

764
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: That's a real People really sit down and design that

765
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: they don't design with empathy. So I think, for me,

766
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: when I think about architecture, I've always started as being

767
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: aware of empathy. And so for me when I think

768
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: about you know, my furniture and my design practice is

769
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: rooted in the black history, but in a way about

770
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: discovering new forms, right, how do I take like, you know,

771
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: it's just being a black man, Like a lot of

772
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: me is African like, but it's distorted in a way.

773
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: It's like it's fragmented. I can't remember it, but I

774
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: know that it's there. Right, It's like you think about gumball,

775
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: you think about the dishes that we are, things that

776
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: we do, like, that's our heritage. We reformed it and

777
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: thought about it in a new context, but it's still there.

778
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: So a lot of what a designer is like looking

779
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: at African culture but realizing that I'm also an American

780
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: in a way, and how do I bridge those to

781
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: think about it? Right? Remix those things created new forms

782
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: to think about the spatial logic of something is really important.

783
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in my day working

784
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: on projects like that, whether it's a building, whether it's

785
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: a furniture, or thinking about memorials or designing memorials for people.

786
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: And I think.

787
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: That type of commitment to research, that type of commitment

788
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: to thinking about people in a more communal way, is

789
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: really important to my practice.

790
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I think that's really the thing that I do every day.

791
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tiring mentally because it's like sometime I'm like,

792
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, I just want to watch YouTube, you know,

793
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: because sometimes it's like I'm constantly like thinking and like

794
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: having to think at large scales and then thinking at

795
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: small scales, right Like designing the museum, It's like that's

796
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: a big project to think about, how can something change

797
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: the way that people, you know, go into a community.

798
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: It's like I have to think about, you know, the windows,

799
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: how much life got to be in here, how much

800
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: is the access to the people, what points where people

801
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: come into How can I make something feel so different

802
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: think about it in a different context.

803
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of that is.

804
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: Where kind of like when my design practice is rooted

805
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: in research, and I think a lot I think about

806
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: this African dispect forms and languages, and I just think

807
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: about it through different scales, so whether that's running your pieces,

808
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: and I think there's last collection that I did, working

809
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: on a new one, but the last one was around

810
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: this idea of.

811
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Getting back to the crib.

812
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: Was really about getting rooted to like the things that

813
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: are rooted in the love and kind of like remembrance

814
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: of that, because I think so much of being black

815
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: is about traumatic experiences, but I don't want that to

816
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: be the only experience that we feel.

817
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: Right, some of the experiences we actually feel our love.

818
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: We know what it feels like for your mother.

819
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: To sacrifice something and out of love, working over time

820
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: to get you that present for Christmas, or being there

821
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: for Sunday dinner your grandma made the most the best biscuits,

822
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: or the fried chicken nobody want to eat Anti Janis

823
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: spaghetti or yeah.

824
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Because you don't put enough sugar in it. You know

825
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

826
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: Like those feelings of what family feel like, and I

827
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 2: think that's really important to remember that we also are

828
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: human in that way. I think that's really important to

829
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: dignify who we are and to make sure that people

830
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: realize that we just are a vulnerable experience, or we

831
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: just not also not just a traumatic experience. We are

832
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: a full spectrum of humanity, love, pain and joy.

833
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 5: So, as a football player, where's that fall on your list?

834
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: And how would you describe yourself as a player?

835
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Man, I think, Man, where's football? I think Football's number

836
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: one thing I did. I think, and I'm actually proud

837
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: of that. I know a lot of people want to

838
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: shy away from this idea about football, but I had

839
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: to work really hard to get to the position that

840
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: I was in a lot of sacrifices, a lot of

841
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: late nights, a lot of studying, and actually loving the game.

842
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: So I think football was something I really appreciated. I

843
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: don't mind when people come up to me and say, like, yo,

844
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: you Mchael benefrom Seahawks.

845
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's cool. Like some people really like

846
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: don't you hate it?

847
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: Though?

848
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: Like when you in New Orleans, Joia, Chicago and people

849
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: are talking to you like like I was a kid.

850
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Remember when I was a kid, and you didn't that

851
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: shit make you feel older?

852
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: Right?

853
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 5: It does make you feel that does make you And

854
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: the person saying he was an adult now pies beer yeah.

855
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: Like, so, I like, I love the experience of football.

856
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: But what I would say that my thing was.

857
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: I feel like I was like people always called me

858
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: a renaissance man, and I feel like that was my

859
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: thing in football, Right, I did a lot of different things.

860
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: I did good just at one thing. I was like

861
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: a great run stopper, a great pass rusher. I played

862
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: multiple positions. I would say that like I just was

863
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: kind of like a Swiss harmony knife. I did a

864
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: lot of different things, like whether whatever the team required

865
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: me to do, I try to do. Like if there's like, oh,

866
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: you got to play nose this week, I play nose.

867
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Because at the end of

868
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: the day, I always felt like no matter what the

869
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: position was, it still was a defensive line position regardless.

870
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things I feel like.

871
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I feel like I was a

872
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: renaissance man when I play, Like I still read books,

873
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: I still did everything I wanted to do, still went

874
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: home and was with the family, Like I just kind

875
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: of just did what I needed to do. Use it

876
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: as as as a wave of you know, do I

877
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: stole football was an art too? Right, It's the art

878
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: of the body, like it takes a lot of take

879
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: a lot to be out there, like, you know, having

880
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: to watch the video over and over. I never got

881
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: one right, you know what I mean. I think I

882
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: might've heard my wrists like more times than I actually

883
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: got it right. But those guys, it's a real technique.

884
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: It's a real technique, and it's like, it's like when

885
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: you do get it, it's an art to it to

886
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: watch somebody and be in the movement and see when okay,

887
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: on the third hand, that's when I punched, you know,

888
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: like a great boxer.

889
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: It's the art of it right. And then being a

890
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: great pastor is the same way.

891
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: It's like on the third step when he crosses over

892
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: his went out strike, you know what I mean, Any

893
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: strike before be be failure, but if I struck at

894
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: the right moment, it's art.

895
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what I've always thought

896
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: about football.

897
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: One thing that my research definitely didn't tell me, and

898
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: that is, I gotta know, because you were such a

899
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: great player, how the hell did you go undrafted out

900
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: of text saying them, oh man.

901
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Like, what did you do? I just I feel like

902
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: some I think they think I didn't like white people.

903
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: That's what it was.

904
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: That's what it was.

905
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: That's what That's what the word on the street was.

906
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: That's what they said. They said that, that's what that's

907
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: what they said.

908
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: They said. I was, I was defiant and that white

909
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: authority pushed me the wrong way. Really, I love that.

910
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 6: That's I don't think that's true. I don't think it either,

911
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: but I think it's hilarious. I wonder, what's you know

912
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 6: what I mean, like, doesn't that like white authority. I mean,

913
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 6: I have done some things that people might thought that.

914
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: I was like thinking that, but it's like I was,

915
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: I just said, like you know, I just I got

916
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: a daddy coach, Like I just can't play football like

917
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, I do, got a dad I gotta need.

918
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: I don't need a white dad too, you know what

919
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I got a black horn like one is

920
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: good enough, like you know, So I think, I mean,

921
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: I think that was the thing that people thought.

922
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: Decent player out of Texa, A and M. I would think,

923
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: like it's normal. I've been in Texan, yeah, so like

924
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: I've been there. I just I literally had watched your

925
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 4: whole and I did not know that you were undrafted.

926
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: I think like we just kind of skipped over that.

927
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think a lot of people don't know that.

928
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: They kind of when I said that, and I stand

929
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: in there lne like wait what, yeah that was me.

930
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 5: We didn't were doing this. I didn't know that ahead

931
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. We didn't know that and

932
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: I didn't know you went back to Seattle.

933
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that shot.

934
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: I was like wait what yeah?

935
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: So when I was a rookie, I made the team

937
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: as an undrafted player. I actually beat a third round pick,

938
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: Baraka Atkins, he's played for the Miami with Miami and

939
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: actually the fourth front pick.

940
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: But then and it was like this other guy named

941
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: Nick Reed. Nick Ree was actually a great pastor of

942
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: Russia to Oregon.

943
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: I think he had like the record for like it

944
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: was like like one of those guys that if you

945
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: saw him on the street you would be like, I

946
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: don't know how this guy does it. But nick Ree

947
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: was like this guy that just looks like a substitute teacher,

948
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: not even like the teacher, like the substitute like you

949
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: can't pass the test, but you do know what he's doing.

950
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: But that was like Nick Ree. And then we was

951
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: like dominating in preseason, Like we were literally killing in preseason.

952
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: So basically they.

953
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Told me that, like, oh, we need to move you

954
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: down for one game so we can bring up an

955
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: office lineman because we don't have enough office line because

956
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: they told me before the season, was like, you're not

957
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: gonna play in any games. You're just gonna practice, and

958
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: you're just gonna be a team and we're gonna develop

959
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 2: you because we got Patrick Curry and we got Corey Ready,

960
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: and we got everybody like you. Maybe towards the end

961
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: of the season you might get some playing time, but

962
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: your job every day is to come here and make

963
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: the officer line better. That's pretty much what they kind

964
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: of told me, right And I was just like, Okay,

965
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: that sounds good to me.

966
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm on the team, like you know what I'm saying.

967
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: And then like they put me down, and like I

968
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: was confused because I didn't actually know what what I

969
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: just agreed to, you know what I'm saying, Like, and

970
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: then the next day it's like, you know, all these

971
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: teams put in this offer for me, and I'm like, yo,

972
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: it's like I was supposed to go to. Like at first,

973
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: it's so funny. I was telling Cliff, I was supposed

974
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: to go to Detroit Lions, but then they actually won

975
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: a game, and Tempa Bay had a worse record than them,

976
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: So it was like Green Bay, Tampa Bay, like all

977
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: these teams in there like it. It was like the Raiders,

978
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh, you have to go to

979
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay because it's the lowest team. So I didn't

980
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: know you go to the lowest team if then you

981
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: go to multiple ways. Yeah, so multiple teams could put

982
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: it in the thing, but they're not gonna get the

983
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: best team of best player, right because it doesn't make

984
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: sense if a good player comes off and then like

985
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, the Chiefs are already winning, they're like, yeah,

986
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: let's get this player number one. But if if the

987
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: lower team puts in the offer first, then they claim you,

988
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: then they get to get to take you.

989
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: Dang. I didn't know that.

990
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

991
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: I learned something new, all right.

992
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: This is the other thing that I did not know.

993
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore.

994
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: All right, you get four, and so we want to

995
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: talk about we want to know your Mount Rushmore of influence,

996
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: the people that have come into your life, to whether

997
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: it's football after ball, just throughout life that has made

998
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: you the man that you are right here in front

999
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: of us today.

1000
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: That ain't that's crazy.

1001
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take family out of it because I feel

1002
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: like that's like the easy one. Like obviously, my wife

1003
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: has had a huge influence on everything I've ever done

1004
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: in my life since we've been in high school sweethearts.

1005
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: Even though I always say, take out my dad and

1006
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: then my brother, like obviously those are people that like,

1007
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: if I'm just talking about people that are not family members,

1008
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: I probably say Cliff Averel, Wow, why Cliff, because Cliff

1009
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: is one of the people that's like it was like

1010
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: a person that's a brother that kind of like that

1011
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: you could trust, that can you can reflect on. But

1012
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 2: the reflection is you always say he playing the devil's advocate.

1013
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you playing for the devil anyway?

1014
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: And play for God?

1015
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: But like a friend that that does that doesn't judge,

1016
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: but that's also pushing you every day to make sure

1017
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: that you kind of are standing. So you need people

1018
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: around you that have an impact on you because of

1019
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: their positivity and they're also who they are as humans

1020
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: and how they are going through the world. So I

1021
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: would say he's had a big influence on me. Okay,

1022
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: if I can say somebody that don't I don't know

1023
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: has had like an influence on me that works too,

1024
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: that never met it because.

1025
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Before my time, I'll say Booker T. Washington. Okay, I

1026
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: like Booker T.

1027
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Washington has had like a lot of influencers just reading

1028
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: his books and understanding like the history of what he

1029
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: was experiencing at the time, and like the story of

1030
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: why you know, imagine walking from Philadelphia to a whole

1031
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: nother place like that's a crazy shit, right, Like you know,

1032
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: like or going to a place and starting to school

1033
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: because you don't the world doesn't have one, and you

1034
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: decide that I'm going to make a place that every

1035
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: black intellectual can come to and have a place to

1036
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: discover and imagine being around George Washington, Carver, every single

1037
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: body that existed that we know today has some type

1038
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: of running and being able to have a conversation with

1039
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: the president in any moment that you wanted to.

1040
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy, and build a whole world around that.

1041
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: So I think Booker T. Washington somebody I think about that.

1042
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: He's a good one.

1043
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: I like two more football wise, I'd say somebody that's

1044
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 2: had like a big influence on me from a football

1045
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: perspective is I would say, would be me Bay And

1046
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: I feel like if I say one person that really

1047
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: changed the way I looked at the game and made

1048
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 2: me just a completely better place football wise, I play

1049
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: with a lot of great players, like I think, you know,

1050
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: Cam Chancel, everybody was like great players. But somebody that,

1051
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: like I think that was like intellectually so far ahead

1052
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: that I'm like, Yo, why does he know everything that's

1053
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: happening before it's happening. I would say, Brandon me bang

1054
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: with somebody I would say football wise, that is kind

1055
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: of like so I'm just trying to go around like

1056
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: in a way of putting it in that way. Somebody

1057
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: that's influencing me is socially as a person to improve

1058
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: as a human, somebody just thinking about how to think

1059
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: about the world and designing and thinking about community. Football wise,

1060
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: I'll say me bang just the career wise, and then

1061
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: the last one I'll say, I'll say my kids, how

1062
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: many three? Okay, I'll say they had the big influence

1063
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: on me because they kind of changed me to think

1064
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: about life differently. In the whole totality of all three

1065
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: of them, right, because three of them are three different experiences,

1066
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: and each one of them had a different impact on

1067
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: me to change me in a positive way. You know,

1068
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: whether it's my first daughter, my second daughter, or third daughter,

1069
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: each one had improved me as a human in every way,

1070
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: like it could have been like learning how to love better,

1071
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: learning how to be more you know, a tendive, learning

1072
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: how to be more nurturing, Like those are things that

1073
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: I feel like having three daughters have challenged me to

1074
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: do and also change me as a person, right because

1075
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, if I imagine not having no kids or

1076
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: something like, yo, probably wouldn't be a.

1077
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Good person, like selfish and be selfish.

1078
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: So I feel like that, So I would say that

1079
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: three and outside of like you know, I'll say, like

1080
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: obviously my brother, I feel like it's had a bigger

1081
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: influence on me just in general, because it's like you

1082
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: gotta to be able to go into life with somebody

1083
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: who has experienced everything you experienced and like you know

1084
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: them from the beginning, like like you know, it's like

1085
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: and so it's like you can you can help each other,

1086
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: like you know, manage emotions, manage life, kind of talk

1087
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: about things and just have conversations and be honest.

1088
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a good thing too.

1089
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I've had a lot of

1090
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: good influences, but coaches wise, I would say the biggest

1091
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: influence that I've ever had on it, it was two

1092
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: coaches really.

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00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, you keep adding to the hold on.

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00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: No, because I feel like you can't know.

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: I say, because Martella's made he the fifth on the mountains,

1096
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: and you just add two more coaches.

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00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1098
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: I say, you gotta you gotta works one.

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00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it came from one person.

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00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: So I think we're I think I'm cap it and

1101
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: say whatever.

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00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: Two coaches that you like, they can't know.

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00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: I feel like the two coaches the coaches because I

1104
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: feel like we don't always talk about the.

1105
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: Coaches that I'm giving you a chance throw them out there.

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00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: I'll say.

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00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Keith Millard, it was a great past rusher with with

1108
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: the Vikings. You know, he was telling me stories about

1109
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: when Pete was was just a g a and all

1110
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, and he came to check his

1111
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 2: room and he threw like a sandwich at Pete Carroll

1112
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: like like you know, and Dolman and all those guys

1113
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: that he played with. He was a great coaching, like

1114
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: teaching me how to pass rush. And then also dan

1115
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Quinn was really good because I think he was like

1116
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: one of the first people was like, yo, you're gonna

1117
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: play every position. Like I remember in preseason, I was like,

1118
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: I looked over it was my first time ever playing

1119
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: special teams. I feel like I never had to play

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00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: special teams until I got to the NFL and I

1121
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: was looking and I remember my when the coach Richard

1122
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: told me, well, Michael, I know you never played special teams,

1123
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: but the only way to get on special team.

1124
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Is to make a lot of plays.

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00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: And he was like, hell, every time I see Richie

1126
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: always like he took my advice, huh, because it was

1127
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: like I.

1128
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Went in there. I never I was like, yo, what

1129
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: is going on on this kickoff team?

1130
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: Like it's just a lot of people moving, like because

1131
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: you know, if you a defensive end and you a

1132
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: defensive a pass rush, you never really own special team

1133
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: until you get to the NFL as a rookie and

1134
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: it's like you like, yo, what is a punt?

1135
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: Like you're trying to like you're trying to move your

1136
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: leg back like.

1137
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 3: You're talking to the wrong person. He don't know about

1138
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 3: none of that. It's cool. Yeah, that was cool.

1139
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: I got you.

1140
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: We were all good. Hey we Yeah you got it.

1141
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I got it. He don't I appreciate it.

1142
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you don't do special teams. Yeah.

1143
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 4: I was drafted pretty high, so I skipped that part

1144
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: of my career.

1145
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you did.

1146
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: Congratulations, you kept a lot more brain cells.

1147
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: And it takes me long to realize, like, yo, I

1148
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: don't need to be out here, like this is all

1149
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: this is like it was just like it was like

1150
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: a like a animal zoos, like it's like anything goes

1151
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: out here, like like this is crazy.

1152
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Listen to game. It's like there's a stop.

1153
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: You line up, there's people coming down hunt one two

1154
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: to only fifty four mic seventy three, and you kind

1155
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: of like I'm feeling it, but Special Team wants the

1156
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: balls kicked.

1157
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, chaos, It's chaos.

1158
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad they changed it too, because like a lot

1159
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: of I know a lot of guys right now that's

1160
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: laying at home with broken bags and broken arms, Like yo,

1161
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 2: I could have played a lot longer.

1162
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: If I have to do that special team remember the Wedge.

1163
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I wouldn't get I didn't have to worry

1164
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: about it. I wouldn't worry about the waves.

1165
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 6: Well, we're gonna we're going to continue this, yeah, after

1166
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 6: we cut the camera.

1167
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: Michael Man, dude, number one, you and Mark Tellers are

1168
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: so one of the most intelligent men I've got to experience,

1169
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 4: and so shout out to your family, your parents for

1170
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: allowing you, guys to be who you are and so

1171
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: ultimately don't change.

1172
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: I love that about you.

1173
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: I've read about you, I've seen you on TV, I've

1174
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: seen you represent yourselves and played against you many times,

1175
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 4: not always being successful, and you know, so shout out

1176
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: to you for continue to be who you are and

1177
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see you're You're The things that

1178
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: you're creating design wise are absolutely gorgeous than you you know,

1179
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: and I looked at some of your pieces and it's incredible.

1180
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: So great job. I didn't know that much about it,

1181
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: but now I will continue to look up. I'll even

1182
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 4: show my wife because she loves pretty much everything that

1183
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: you're probably doing. So I appreciate that. To that then

1184
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: my guy, well, I won't say the same thing to y'all.

1185
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Feel like y'all have like influenced us, and like the

1186
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: way that you guys are caring yourself a man, and

1187
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: like having this platform. I think a lot of times

1188
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: a show like the second act is super important because

1189
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: people get forgotten. It's like it's important to tell people

1190
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: that there's a second part of your life that you

1191
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: gotta be focused on and thinking about. So I think

1192
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: you guys, like I said, like we always had to

1193
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: watch you and like watching you guys on defense and

1194
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 2: watching the way you play. I think it's like, I'm

1195
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: happy to be in this conversation with you guys. I

1196
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: think we just don't have that platform, and I think

1197
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: it's important that you guys are showing us shedding the

1198
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: light on what's happening to people when they're not in

1199
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 2: the league anymore.

1200
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 4: Appreciate that, man, Thank you, no doubt, man, we don't

1201
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: have to do that with the ending are great, Thank you,

1202
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 4: thank you.

1203
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: It was just kind of hot.