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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Happy Monday, everybody. Welcome to The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. And there's a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 1: As tends to be the case on Mondays, we have

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Speaker 1: some stunning polling about Donald Trump Joe Biden. We're going

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Speaker 1: to dive into that momentarily. Are they hitting the panic

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Speaker 1: button over at the DNC about Biden's future?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: Is they have they actually said it is time for

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Speaker 1: the break the glass plan? You know? Are they getting

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Speaker 1: down to funny? People will say, are they at deaf

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Speaker 1: Con five? That would be like no big deal? Deaf

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Speaker 1: Con one would be nuclear war the really big deal.

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Speaker 1: But are they at like two or three right now?

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Speaker 1: In terms of the politics here? Are they a little

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Speaker 1: concerned about Joe Biden? We shall get into that. You

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Speaker 1: also have Gavin new some veto to Bill on Friday

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Speaker 1: that would take affirmation of child's gender identity into consideration

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Speaker 1: when making custody and visitation decisions, which I think is

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Speaker 1: an interesting story we'll get to you later. He veetered

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Speaker 1: it because he believes it's already taken into account. Just

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Speaker 1: to be clear, So that's why this is on the radar.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting study out of or poll out of Rasmus,

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Speaker 1: and more than two thirds of American voters are worried

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Speaker 1: that their country is turning into a police state. And

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Speaker 1: I have a particular view on this, and I think

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Speaker 1: that in the era of the four simultaneous Trump felony indictments,

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Speaker 1: we have to look at this and take this all

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Speaker 1: very seriously. But also as individuals and as Americans, this

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Speaker 1: is increasingly a reality of day to day life here.

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Speaker 1: Crimes that are just crimes because the government says so,

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Speaker 1: or because you've upset the politics of the Democrats, that'll

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Speaker 1: get you in a whole lot of trouble, you know,

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Speaker 1: like parading inside the capital without a license. But the

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Speaker 1: stuff that makes everyone's lives difficult and cost lives day

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Speaker 1: to day, the crime in cities and towns across America,

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Speaker 1: and the criminals who are conducting or committing those acts.

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Speaker 1: Democrats take a very different, very different approach to that,

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Speaker 1: at least in terms of their philosophy. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into all that, but Clay, we've got to start here

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Speaker 1: with these these these numbers. You know, it's it's getting

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Speaker 1: down to the wire. I'll say, this is getting down

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Speaker 1: to the wire about how long we can continue to

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Speaker 1: have this discussion. Will there be some other plan to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I'm still at this point. I can't you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't change my bet, right, So.

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Speaker 3: It would be it would be totally unacceptable for you

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Speaker 3: to just suddenly, after six or eight months or whatever

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Speaker 3: it is, just to suddenly bail.

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Speaker 1: That said, there are a lot of people in Democrats

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Speaker 1: circles who a word. Let's look at these numbers. Play

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Speaker 1: Washington Post ABC poll shows Biden trailing Trump nationally by

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Speaker 1: ten points. Now this is an outlier. There are other

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Speaker 1: national polls that show them effectively tied. Yeah, and if

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Speaker 1: you you know, told me, you gotta tell me, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I have no choice but to tell you what

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Speaker 1: the most likely situations right now, I think it's closer

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Speaker 1: to tide than it is ten points. But the fact

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Speaker 1: that there is a serious poll out there that could

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Speaker 1: show at this phase a substantial lead for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: I man Clay are really to two or three points

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Speaker 1: at this point would should scare Democrats, right, because what

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Speaker 1: do you think they're making of this? And and also

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Speaker 1: the fact that Biden is at a all time low

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Speaker 1: approval rating thirty seven percent fifty six percent disapproving.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so again, I would just say when I saw

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Speaker 3: this come out, I think it came out late Sunday,

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, like post midnight. I was watching you USC

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Speaker 3: college football fan that I am, and I'm scrolling through

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Speaker 3: my Twitter feed and boom, this Washington Post pole pops

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Speaker 3: up and I immediately read it. And what I would

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Speaker 3: say is significant about this buck is it feels to

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Speaker 3: me like much of official Washington is starting to hit

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Speaker 3: the panic button on Joe Biden. Because we've said this

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Speaker 3: before on the show, but I do think it's important

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Speaker 3: to think about the only rationale for Joe Biden to

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Speaker 3: run in twenty twenty four is that he beat Trump

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and they think he'll win a rematch.

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Speaker 1: If you told me, and I.

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Speaker 3: Understand the Trump people out there who are diehards, if

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Speaker 3: to be the nominees, I think Democrats would bail on

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden in a hurry, because I think the age

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Speaker 3: think that there's probably is. Look, if Trump's gonna win

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Speaker 1: For that to happen.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a zero percent chance by the time

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Speaker 3: we got to an election that Trump could be Biden

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Speaker 3: by ten points. I do think what's happening Buck is

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Speaker 3: right now everything is a referendum on Biden. And the

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Speaker 3: goal of the Biden administration and the entire twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: four campaign is going to be to try to make

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four a referendum on Trump. And usually what

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Speaker 3: are elections with incumbents about, Buck the incumbent? Right, Usually

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Speaker 3: it is, hey, has this guy done a good enough

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Speaker 3: job to continue to be the representative, to continue to

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Speaker 3: be the president of the United States, senator, governor whatever

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Speaker 1: And right now the answer is Biden hasn't done a

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Speaker 1: good enough job.

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Speaker 3: The only way they win is if they can make

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Speaker 3: it a referendum on Trump, because I do believe that

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Speaker 3: they are confident that they can get a lot of

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Speaker 3: people to show up and vote against Trump, not for

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Speaker 3: Biden against Trump. And I think this is one of

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Speaker 3: those things where you have to go back in and say,

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Speaker 3: just have you ever seen And I like to ask

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Speaker 3: this question because I think it's clarifying him anyways, buck

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Speaker 3: you ever see anybody in a Biden hat? You ever

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Speaker 3: seen anybody walk around in a Biden T shirt? You

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Speaker 3: ever see anybody who is like a diehard Biden guy

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Speaker 3: or girl anywhere in the country, because I have it anywhere.

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Speaker 1: There's a I don't remember his name. There's a comedian

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Speaker 1: who has a bit where he says there's no Biden merch,

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Speaker 1: which is true. Yeah, no one, No one rocks a

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Speaker 1: Biden T shirt. Correct, There is no Biden. It's one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. And so it's not a Biden vote,

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Speaker 1: it's an anti Trump vote. And so what I wonder,

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Speaker 1: and this is the thing I've been talking about for

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Speaker 1: a few months now, is at what point do the

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Speaker 1: Democrat power brokers as they are Again the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: had a top column to say Biden shouldn't run. Now

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Speaker 1: they're bringing out a column that says Biden is a

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Speaker 1: It comes out simultaneously with this, with this poll from

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Speaker 1: the NBC News which shows Biden hitting an all time low. Buck.

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Speaker 1: I grabbed some of the data.

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Speaker 3: Listen to some of this off of the Washington Post

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Speaker 3: poll because I read it and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: can't even believe some of these numbers. Would you describe

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Speaker 3: what your view is as excellent, good, not so good,

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Speaker 3: or poor? Food prices eight percent said excellent or good?

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Speaker 3: Gas are energy prices? Twelve percent said excellent or good.

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Speaker 3: Incomes of average Americans twenty one percent said excellent or good.

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Speaker 3: And for Joe Biden, the situation at the border buck

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Speaker 3: twenty three percent, approval twenty three percent. That is unbelievable

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Speaker 3: to be that bad. Thirty percent on the economy.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the numbers that are really upsetting

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Speaker 1: people here in terms of the economy, I saw something

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Speaker 1: even for people who are making one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: a third of them are living paycheck to paycheck. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a third of people making one hundred and fifty grand

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Speaker 1: are living paycheck to paycheck. I mean I live paycheck

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Speaker 1: to paycheck when I was making forty grand a year.

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Speaker 1: I remember what that was like to be living paycheck

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Speaker 1: that's housing, that's you know, they're they're they're not you know,

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Speaker 1: making the content, They're not making reckless decisions. I think

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just that people are having

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Speaker 1: to pay more for the things that they really need.

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Speaker 1: Credit Card debt also going up very rapidly right now.

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Speaker 1: And as a country. I mean someone that I know

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Speaker 1: you have to remember America is the greatest wealth generation

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Speaker 1: machine in the history of the planet. Which is which

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Speaker 1: is true, And it's interesting, right, there's we our economy

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Speaker 1: and the productivity of America in general is such that

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Speaker 1: we should be getting it should be the TV effect, Right,

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Speaker 1: We've all seen you look at a TV. You remember

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Speaker 1: your TV when you were in college. I mean it

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Speaker 3: Now you got to get twenty seven inch TV buck

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Speaker 3: dorm room likes kicking back like this is kobbing the

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Speaker 1: You know. Now you have seventy inch flat flush against

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Speaker 1: just because things have got more efficient, you know, and

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Speaker 1: less expensive and better. The problem is that some of

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Speaker 1: these commodities, food, energy, there are policy decisions, most notably

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Speaker 1: the massive government expenditures and the inflation that it created

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Speaker 1: been any accountability for it politically. And the Biden administrations,

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Speaker 1: you know, they just they just declared a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of land, you know, off limits to drilling. They're doing

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Speaker 1: all the wrong things in this environment, Clay. When people

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Speaker 1: are having a hard time affording groceries and gas, I

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Speaker 1: want to say a hard time. Okay, maybe they can

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Speaker 1: afford it, but they're running up that credit card a

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Speaker 1: little more every month, a little more every month. And

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Speaker 1: for John Kerry to be traveling the world like some

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Speaker 1: kind of maniac talking about how humanity is going to

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Speaker 1: cause humanities extinction because of CO two while he's flying

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Speaker 1: everywhere on private jets. There is a massive disconnect here

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Speaker 1: and Republicans need to speak to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I looked at the nine percent approval.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to food price, people understand that. That's

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Speaker 3: why I keep saying, go through the drive through of

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Speaker 3: a fast food restaurant and look at what it costs you. Now,

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Speaker 3: so when the Biden people are trying to sell well,

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Speaker 3: inflation is back down to three point seven percent or

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Speaker 3: whatever the heck it is, and they're trying to say

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Speaker 3: it's not so bad, the baked in cost is huge.

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Speaker 3: What you are paying for your groceries, what you are

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Speaker 3: the next to take care of your family. That money

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Speaker 3: never comes back. And so that is where I think

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Speaker 3: there's a great deal of anger. Now here's the question,

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Speaker 3: and this is the one that I keep hammering buck

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Speaker 3: because I do think it's so interesting of a question.

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Speaker 3: If sixty some odd percent of Democrat voters are saying

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Speaker 3: they don't want to vote for Joe Biden, will anyone

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Speaker 3: We talked about this last week will any Democrat that

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Speaker 3: somebody that has an actual audience, Will any of them

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's not going to step down, and I don't

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Speaker 1: He says he's not going to do it. So you

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, buck again the analogies. Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: are alleged against Robert Menendez? Your son and your family

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Speaker 3: has been engaged in every bit as aggressive of grabbing

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Speaker 3: of cash as Benindez. So I remember it's only four

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand, five hundred thousand dollars here.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned the quid pro quo. As I'm seeing this,

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Speaker 1: they have charged him with honest services fraud, right with it?

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Speaker 1: And which is I think now they've updated that statute

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Speaker 1: of honest services fraud. But I remember the Bob McDonald props,

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Speaker 1: which is a lot. It's a big part of this case,

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Speaker 1: right well, and it's really the precedence here and Maureen

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Speaker 1: his wife, because I was somebody at the time and

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Speaker 1: there I think I told you there were conservatives who

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, you know, what are you saying it's

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Speaker 1: terrible what he did. I'm like, not really. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he just like went on vacations, golf trips and accepted

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Speaker 1: a watch. Like he didn't do anything in the rounds

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Speaker 1: for that. So to say that that is somehow you

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Speaker 1: know that that necessarily is a corrupt act. You have

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Speaker 1: to have an act you can tie it to correct

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Speaker 1: and there was never any allegation. The Supreme Court slapped

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Speaker 1: down that conviction nine. Oh yep. I think Menendez is

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Speaker 1: seeing this and he's just gonna say, prove one thing

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Speaker 1: that I did or my wife did, or you know,

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Speaker 1: told me to do in exchange for anything. If you

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Speaker 1: can't stuff it, you know, leave me alone. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think that the defense he has as well,

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Speaker 3: Buck is was there anything that happened, for instance, with

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Speaker 3: Egypt that wouldn't have happened otherwise? In other words, I

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Speaker 3: think these guys exaggerate their power a lot. He's one

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Speaker 3: of one hundred senators. Was there anything that occurred that

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Speaker 3: would not have occurred if somebody else were a senator

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Speaker 3: in his same position?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there was.

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Speaker 3: And there's again all of this stuff, and I understand

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Speaker 3: jury's can respond differently. I also look at it, Buck,

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Speaker 3: twenty million dollars. I'm like, if they gave the Biden

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Speaker 3: family twenty million dollars, they were expecting something pretty significant.

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Speaker 3: Them dollars a lot of money. Twenty million dollars changes

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Speaker 3: your life. They're talking about four or five hundred thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars over the course of five or six years. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: I just four. And some people out there gonna say

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Speaker 3: you're crazy. It's true. Four or five hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: over the course of four or five years does not

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Speaker 3: change your life. It's nice to have, but it's not

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Speaker 3: money where you're just like, hey, I'm done, peace out.

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Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's a dollar figure that I think makes your eyebrows

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Speaker 3: go up when you hear about the Biden crime family.

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Speaker 1: I read all this book, and as I read.

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Speaker 3: It, it just made me think, my goodness, Hunter Biden

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Speaker 3: is so protected it reinforced his protection. It made me

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Speaker 3: wonder how Joe Biden answers questions about the Menendez case.

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Speaker 3: And it made me wonder, what are they doing that

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Speaker 3: the book is getting thrown at Robert Menendez and they

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Speaker 3: are pretending that Hunter Biden has done absolutely nothing at all.

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Speaker 3: Why are they protecting Biden and why are they throwing

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Speaker 3: the book at Menendez?

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Speaker 1: Because if you look at these two cases, and.

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, you line them up side by side,

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Speaker 3: there is a lot of evidence, more evidence, I would argue,

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Speaker 3: of a significant nature that Joe and Hunter Biden were

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Speaker 3: engaged in bribery than there is Robert Menendez. And if

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Speaker 3: I'm Menendez, I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, Buck,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, Like I wonder on some level, would

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Speaker 3: he be willing to just start, you know, kind of five.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes people behave irrationally when they're under pressure.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he could say, you know, you're looking

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Speaker 3: at me. Hunter Biden is charged is guilty of way

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Speaker 3: more stuff than me, and they're not doing anything to him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he would turn in house with

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Speaker 3: that criticism, but if I were him, I'd be looking

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Speaker 3: around at these charges and saying, my wife did a

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Speaker 3: fraction of what Hunter Biden did. She didn't do anything.

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Speaker 3: There's way more evidence against Hunter Biden than there is

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Speaker 3: against her. Just something to think about. And I'm curious

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Speaker 3: again how the Biden administration is going to respond here,

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Speaker 3: because it definitely the follow up question is, well, if

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Speaker 3: he should resign, why is nothing happening regarding you and

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Speaker 3: your family? I think he probably Buck has to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: I think that this should be allowed to play out.

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Speaker 3: But then that also impacts the Trump angle, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is messy. There's a lot of different messy tendrils

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Speaker 3: here that don't have easy answers. I wonder how many

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Speaker 3: tens of thousands of hours of videotaping took place this

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Speaker 3: weekend at football games, smartphones out all weekend, Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: at her own phone out, God forbid parents traveling. I

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Speaker 3: went and recorded. I was at a flag football game

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Speaker 3: with my eight year old. Absolutely loved being able to

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Speaker 3: record some of that. What's your family doing with all

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Speaker 3: those videotapes, all the precious memories on them from years past.

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Speaker 1: Making sense in an insane world? Clay Travis and Buck Sexton,

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Speaker 1: what is the biggest failure right now of the Biden

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Speaker 1: regiat A lot of answers you could throw out there.

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Speaker 1: I think a strong one. An answer that would be

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Speaker 1: tough to be would be the border. The border is

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Speaker 1: wide open. It is a mess. People who have been

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Speaker 1: working on border issues in border security for years, for

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Speaker 1: decades even are saying this is the most lawless and

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Speaker 1: the most wide open they have ever seen it. More

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Speaker 1: than sixty sixty two percent in the Washington Post ABC

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Speaker 1: News poll disapprove of Biden on the border as of

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Speaker 1: this weekend. So there's a recognition that he's doing a

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Speaker 1: really poor job. Remember, this is a federal responsibility. The

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Speaker 1: federal government is supposed to be handling this. They're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be doing this, and they're effectively derelict in their duty.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to get a sense of how

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Speaker 1: bad it has gotten, Fox News is Bill Hammer had

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Speaker 1: this breaking news on eleven thousand illegal immigrant encounters in

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Play clip one.

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Speaker 4: We're getting breaking news from the border, Customs and Border

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Speaker 4: Patrol sources telling Fox News they've recorded eleven thousand encounters

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Speaker 4: in the past twenty four hours. They say it's the

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Speaker 4: single highest day in recent memory in that town of

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Speaker 4: Eagle Pass in Texas alone. Eagle Pass saw more than

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Speaker 4: four thousand this weekend. A lot of these are live

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Speaker 4: images now that we've been watching throughout the morning.

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Speaker 1: It's not ebbing. In case you're wondering on that point,

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Speaker 1: eleven thousand play the single highest day in recent memory.

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Speaker 1: So we're setting records here at the border. We're seeing

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Speaker 1: numbers that are astonishing. When you just think about that's

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Speaker 1: in one day, you know, thirty days in a month.

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Speaker 1: You start to do the math, you recognize what the

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Speaker 1: inflow of illegals is going to look like. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration, I think at this point, is getting

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Speaker 1: closer and closer to the recognition that they got to

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Speaker 1: do something about this. Uh, you might have seen this there. Mexico,

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Speaker 1: this is on This is CNN yesterday makes agreement with

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Speaker 1: US to deport migrants from its border cities. As one

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Speaker 1: Mexico says that they will deport migrants from border cities

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Speaker 1: to home countries and take several actions to deter migrants.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're hoping to clay depressurize the situation in

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Speaker 1: northern Mexican cities. I think this is so interesting for

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Speaker 1: everyone to note that the flow, it's like what we

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Speaker 1: see crossing every day. Doesn't even take into account how

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Speaker 1: many people are waiting for the right time to cross,

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Speaker 1: how many are on their way currently to get to

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Speaker 1: the border to cross that the flood is ongoing, it

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Speaker 1: is constant, and it is only going to increase.

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Speaker 3: There's a video right now that's going viral buck that's

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Speaker 3: been posted in the last fifteen minutes or so. Illegals

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Speaker 3: crossing from Mexico have put a Venezuela flag on a

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Speaker 3: Texas island I'm reading from Christian Collins, in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the river in Eagle Pass, Texas. Then now the

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Speaker 3: Texas Border Patrol went and took down the flag. But

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Speaker 3: you can watch and see this huge Venezuela flag that

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Speaker 3: is flying in the middle of the river on the

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Speaker 3: Texas side of the border. According to according to this

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Speaker 3: an Eagle Pass, Texas, four hundred and seventy thousand Venezuelans.

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Speaker 3: Was it Friday when this officially became the news that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden said, you can all go get jobs now,

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you, and I've already seen the reporting on it.

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Speaker 3: What happens in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Huge percentages of people that are left behind in Venezuela

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Speaker 1: get notified instantaneously that now you can go to the

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Speaker 1: United States and immediately get a job. What do you

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Speaker 1: think people in Venezuela are gonna do.

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Speaker 3: Pretend that you could make forty times as much money

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Speaker 3: as you currently make. And if you just were willing

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Speaker 3: to make a trip to go to a new country,

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Speaker 3: how many of you out there listening to us right

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Speaker 3: now would be willing to take a long, arduous journey

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Speaker 3: to make forty times as much money as you do

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Speaker 3: right now? I bet buck a monster percentage of our listeners.

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Speaker 3: And when Joe Biden said all of you guys can

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Speaker 3: go get jobs, he just guaranteed, and I'm not exaggerating here,

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Speaker 3: he just guaranteed that millions, millions more of Venezuelans, I believe,

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Speaker 3: will leave their socialist, torn apart country and begin the

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Speaker 3: trip to the United States because they see what's happening

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Speaker 3: with those four hundred and seventy thousand.

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Speaker 1: And you don't think that.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be and people say, well, you had

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Speaker 3: to be here before July thirty first one. Do you

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Speaker 3: not think they're going to extend this again when there's

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Speaker 3: even more illegals. The incentive structures are so clear, we

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Speaker 3: have a wide open southern border. This by itself, Buck,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, is enough to impeach Joe Biden. When

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Speaker 3: you're talking about I think we're approaching now seven million

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Speaker 3: illegals that we know have that we know of, have

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Speaker 3: entered the country since Joe Biden became president. I really

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Speaker 3: don't think we've seen anything yet. I think these numbers

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Speaker 3: are going to continue to get worse and worse, because effectively,

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Speaker 3: what Joe Biden is saying is, come on up here,

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Speaker 3: we want you to be here. We're changing the law

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Speaker 3: to ensure that you can be taken care of once

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Speaker 3: you get here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the faithless execution of his responsibility to uphold

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Speaker 1: and defend the constitution and the laws of this land,

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Speaker 1: and specifically the immigration laws of this land, is a

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Speaker 1: very real consideration. At this point. We know that Democrats

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Speaker 1: will certainly not go along with any impeachment of Biden

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Speaker 1: based upon what's happening at the border. But the more

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Speaker 1: we look into this, the more we see this, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it's a tenable situation for them

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Speaker 1: going into an election to have it as wide open

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Speaker 1: as it currently is. You know, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: really possible for Democrats to think that they're going to

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Speaker 1: be in a strong position. Remember, it's not just about Biden.

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Speaker 1: It will affect the Democrat Party more broadly. Now we're

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Speaker 1: talking about down ticket responsibility. Yes, it's the federal government,

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Speaker 1: it's the executive branch that has first, you know, the

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Speaker 1: first line of or the buck stops with them in

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Speaker 1: terms of responsibility. But there are other Democrats who, based

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Speaker 1: upon their positions on this and how they speak about

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Speaker 1: the immigration issue, I think could find themselves in a

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Speaker 1: degree of political trouble. And I think that this is

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Speaker 1: the most important issue in the country in many ways

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Speaker 1: right now, because it also shows the degree to which

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Speaker 1: the regime, the establishment is willing to ignore certain laws.

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Speaker 1: I mean, immigration law just doesn't really count anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't have the will, they don't have the interest

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Speaker 1: to enforce the laws that are on the books about immigration.

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Speaker 1: You start to say, when they're systematically picking and choosing

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Speaker 1: what statutes apply, you know, it's not oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in this case extraordinary circumstance or you know, in the

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Speaker 1: interest of justice, we're going to have this attitude. It's

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Speaker 1: just now we're just not going to enforce this law

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Speaker 1: or these these category of laws. What are people supposed

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Speaker 1: to take from that? I mean, how are we supposed

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Speaker 1: to view the rule of all in the country more broadly?

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Speaker 3: Buck how many people do you think are going to

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Speaker 3: claim to be Venezuelan, Like if you had come in

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Speaker 3: I mean again incentive structures. Think about what you would

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Speaker 3: do in order to make the best living that you

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Speaker 3: could if you knew that Venezuelan immigrants were being illegals,

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Speaker 3: were being treated differently than somebody from Honduras or somebody

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Speaker 3: from Haiti or wherever else it might be.

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Speaker 1: We got people crossing from one hundred and sixty different countries.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you that a huge number of people from

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Speaker 3: other countries are also going to pretend that they are Venezuelan.

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Speaker 3: And do we have the ability and the wherewithal to

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Speaker 3: be able to distinguish where all these illegals are coming from.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it.

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Speaker 3: And so you're going to end up with even more

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Speaker 3: incentive structure that is going out not just the Venezuelans.

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Speaker 1: And again I think there.

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Speaker 3: Will be millions, millions more Venezuelans who now will make

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Speaker 3: the track to the United States never to leave. It's

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Speaker 3: important to slam this home Mexico. It used to be

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Speaker 3: that people went back and forth across the border so

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Speaker 3: there would be a work season in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's crops that need to be harvested. Whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: jobs pay better. People cross into the United States, they work,

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Speaker 3: then they return home. If you come here from Venezuela,

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Speaker 3: you are never going home. By and large, you are

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Speaker 3: here for life, because are you going to risk your

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Speaker 3: ability to get back into the.

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Speaker 1: Country by leaving.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not like you can easily walk across the

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Speaker 3: border or travel back and forth in the easy fashion

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Speaker 3: like you could historically to Mexico. These people are here forever,

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Speaker 3: and there seven million that have come in are here coming,

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna have kids.

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Speaker 1: Huge numbers of them are gonna have kids. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this notion that we need migrants, illegal immigrants to shore

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Speaker 1: up the social safety net in this country, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about overwhelmingly and now this is going beyond just the

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Speaker 1: surgeon in Venezuelan migrants to just people showing up at

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Speaker 1: the border. You're talking people who have not been vetted

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Speaker 1: nor have been put through any kind of a merit

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Speaker 1: based immigration process. So you're gonna have a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who speak little or no English, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people with little or really almost no formal education, and

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of social services, a

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Speaker 1: lot of expense to the tax payer that these individuals

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Speaker 1: will incur, which is exactly what we're seeing in New York,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what we're seeing in Chicago and other

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Speaker 1: cities where you have a lot of these microsoft I know,

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Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, well, this is just part of the

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Speaker 1: transition period. That's not really true. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of these migrants going to be dependent

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Speaker 1: on medicaid if they can get it in their states.

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Speaker 1: They're going to be dependent on effectively the welfare state

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Speaker 1: in some capacity or another.

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Speaker 3: Invelop the kids in school. You talked about this in

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Speaker 3: New York City. They don't have to get the COVID shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you start to see this and you say, well,

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Speaker 1: hold on a second, is there a number? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can take this down to the most baseline analysis

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Speaker 1: and conversation. Is there a number of migrants that is

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Speaker 1: just too much that Democrats would say, You know what,

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Speaker 1: you guys are right, We're really, we've kicked the doors

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Speaker 1: far too wide open on this one. We've got a

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Speaker 1: real we've got a real problem here. Ten million, fifteen million,

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Speaker 1: I mean new I'm not talking about the ones already

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Speaker 1: in the country, right, you know. And and if the

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Speaker 1: answer is no, there's no number that's too much, they

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Speaker 1: should say that out loud. If the answer is yes,

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Speaker 1: there is a number that's too high, they should be

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Speaker 1: willing to tell us. Okay, well, why what's the downside

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Speaker 1: is here's a good question for you, Buck.

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Speaker 3: Is there any other country in the world that has

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Speaker 3: thirty million, because I think that's probably close to the

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Speaker 3: number illegals living in their.

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Speaker 1: Country right now.

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Speaker 3: Nope, I find it hard to believe. I don't think

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Speaker 3: there's any And so for everybody out there to think about,

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Speaker 3: why has every other country in the world decided that

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Speaker 3: they don't want what's happening in the United States to

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Speaker 3: happen there. It's a big story in Italy, in France,

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Speaker 3: many different European countries where people can try to get

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Speaker 3: from Africa to these you Africa and the Middle East

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Speaker 3: to these Middle Eastern to these European countries to pinprick

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Speaker 3: of the number that we're dealing with here. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I've I've been to the Zatri refugee camp in Jordan

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Speaker 3: along the Jordan Syria border from when the you know,

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Speaker 3: Syrian war was raging, and it was about one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 3: maybe one hundred and fifteen thousand people living in that

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Speaker 3: in that camp, and there were concerns about where they

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Speaker 3: could go, the resources, the strain on Jordan, the strain

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Speaker 3: on neighboring countries. You know, who's going to take them in.

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Speaker 3: We've taken in orders of magnitude more people. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: taken I mean, and I shouldn't say taken in.

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Speaker 1: They've just showed up. Actually, they've just said, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're here. We're getting asylums. So this is going to continue,

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Speaker 1: you to be a massive problem. And the only thing

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are going to do is lie to you

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Speaker 1: about wanting to solve it and try to obscure the

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Speaker 1: numbers and make it seem like they're doing something to

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Speaker 1: stop it because they have no other option. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they can't tell the American people that the border is

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Speaker 1: open because that's what we want. Because a majority there

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Speaker 1: are I think twenty or thirty percent of the country

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Speaker 1: does want that, but a majority of the American people,

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Speaker 1: solid majority of the American people do not want that.

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Speaker 3: Putting it in context, buck the single worst approval ratings

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Speaker 3: for Joe Biden on any issue. Twenty three percent of

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Speaker 1: an Insane world. Welcome back, everybody. Our friend. Heather McDonald's

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Speaker 1: joins us now she'd write over at City Journals. She

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Speaker 1: doesn't have institute. She's an author, author of the War

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Speaker 1: on Cops. We want to talk to her about her

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Speaker 1: latest peace on COVID today. Heather, thanks for being here with.

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Speaker 5: Us, great. Thank you so much for having me on claimbook.

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Speaker 1: So Rational Fears of the Irrational as your piece. This

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Speaker 1: is interesting to me. So now the media takes the

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Speaker 1: position that anybody who is concerned that they meaning the

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Speaker 1: sort of fauchyite apparatus may overreact. They're the overreactors.

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Speaker 5: The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning. The New York Times has

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Speaker 5: now developed its latest mean to try and show that

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Speaker 5: at least half the country is a bunch of right

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Speaker 5: wing conspiracy theorist kooks by saying, if you're noticing that

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Speaker 5: Biden is spending six hundred million to generate yet more tests,

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Speaker 5: free tests to distribute. If you're noticing the hospitals and

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Speaker 5: elementary schools are putting back mask mandates. If you're concerned

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Speaker 5: that we're going to go through yet again, the worst

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Speaker 5: policy failure in this nation's history, you're just crazy, because

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Speaker 5: of course we, the mainstream left wing establishment, always follow

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Speaker 5: the science, when, of course what this nation went through

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Speaker 5: for nearly three years was a betrayal of rational thinking,

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Speaker 5: a betrayal of sensible cost benefit analysis, risk risk analysis,

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Speaker 5: hatred of the free market system, preference for government transfer payments.

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Speaker 5: And if you're fearing that, as the electioneers, we're going

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Speaker 5: to go back to vote by mail, automatic eligibility drop

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Speaker 5: off boxes, you are absolutely the most rational people among us.

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Speaker 3: Heather, What does it say about American democracy that there

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Speaker 3: were no consequences for Democrats for the most part, getting

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Speaker 3: everything wrong on COVID. Almost no one lost their jobs

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Speaker 3: in positions of power. People lost their jobs who refused

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Speaker 3: to get the COVID shot and worked in the military,

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Speaker 3: or worked in our hospitals, or worked in our schools.

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Speaker 3: But what does it say that no one in a

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Speaker 3: decision making process was punished at all by losing a job.

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Speaker 5: Well, we haven't controlled the narrative yet I'm worried that

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Speaker 5: who's going to write the history. We don't know yet,

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Speaker 5: and it could be that the left, who engaged in

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Speaker 5: this massive attack on childhood, on the economy, on the

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Speaker 5: people's ability to make a living, that they will write

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Speaker 5: the history, and they will be the ones who were

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Speaker 5: the sane people, and those who criticized will be continuously

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Speaker 5: impugned as right wing nut cases that wanted to kill

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Speaker 5: off Grandma, as I was accused of doing, even by

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Speaker 5: somebody on the right. You're on Hazani when I very

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Speaker 5: early in March twenty twenty said, we are way overreacting

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Speaker 5: to this, so it's not necessarily a failure of democracy

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Speaker 5: because we don't yet know what the vast mulk of

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Speaker 5: opinion is. I mean, you're right, we did not throw out.

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Speaker 5: Eleven of the twelve pro lockdown governors were re elected

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Speaker 5: in the twenty twenty twos. For me, one of the

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Speaker 5: most stunning things about this whole experience was it was

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Speaker 5: a litmus test or a Rorschach test of the American mentality,

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Speaker 5: which into which the feminist safety ism that dominates campus

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Speaker 5: culture has made very very large inroads and people. You know,

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Speaker 5: it'll be interesting I think there will be more resistance

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Speaker 5: if we get another effort at shutting down the economy

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Speaker 5: and expanding government power and reach, there will be more resistance.

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Speaker 5: But I can guarantee you, of course, and you know this,

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Speaker 5: there will still be a lot of people who dutifully

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Speaker 5: put the masks back on, put them back on their children,

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Speaker 5: vaccinate their children, which is now being recommended by the

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Speaker 5: CDC for six month old That is a grotesque abuse

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Speaker 5: of power. So who would have thought that America's divisions

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Speaker 5: that are so profound now that a certain percentage of

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Speaker 5: the country does not believe that there are biological men

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Speaker 5: and women and that biology matters. Who would have thought.

866
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Speaker 5: I didn't see it coming that our divisions even extend

867
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Speaker 5: to the reaction to a hyper hyped so called pandemic,

868
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Speaker 5: that we differ even in our reactions to public health

869
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Speaker 5: advice and to mandates to turn our lives upside down

870
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Speaker 5: and destroy learning in our children.

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to react, Heather, with all you just said,

872
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Speaker 1: and Clay and I are trying not to start clapping

873
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Speaker 1: in the middle of what you're saying, because we agree

874
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Speaker 1: so wholeheartedly with your sense of what's gone on here

875
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Speaker 1: with COVID doctor Fauci. However, Heather, I don't think he

876
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Speaker 1: would agree with you. And here he was over the

877
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Speaker 1: weekend saying that he is a victim of mean people

878
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Speaker 1: on the right and that he has saved millions of lives.

879
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Speaker 1: Play two.

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Speaker 6: What happens is that if you become the symbol of

881
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Speaker 6: the object of people's anger, even people who know nothing

882
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 6: about you know the fact that in my career I've

883
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Speaker 6: been involved in saving literally millions of lives, that people

884
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 6: are hello, you know, forget that is that I become

885
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Speaker 6: that symbol. And then when they say something like that,

886
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 6: you get somebody who doesn't know anything at all about me,

887
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Speaker 6: who's crazy says, wow, I'm going to go get that person,

888
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Speaker 6: or that person should be killed, or that person should

889
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Speaker 6: be prosecuted. And that's the reason why I have to

890
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Speaker 6: have security.

891
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Speaker 1: I mean, to me, he's delusional, Heather, Like clinically.

892
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Speaker 5: You know, I get criticized of playing the victim card

893
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Speaker 5: if I merely say in a dispassionate, fact based way

894
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Speaker 5: that yes, I've been shut down here and there without

895
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Speaker 5: any kind of maudlin self pity. So I'm reluctant to

896
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Speaker 5: accuse anybody else of playing a victim, because that can

897
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Speaker 5: be too fascil an accusation. But it's hard to resist

898
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Speaker 5: saying that Fauci is here playing the victim. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's absurd. He said in March and February of twenty

900
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Speaker 5: twenty that lockdowns do not work, and he flipped around

901
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 5: and then was complete cheerleader for these absolutely destructive, unnecessary lockdowns.

902
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Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is is that we now

903
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 5: have the data. We had it very early on, but

904
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Speaker 5: we really have it now that countries that had minimal lockdowns,

905
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Speaker 5: like Sweden, had lower excess death rates than countries with

906
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Speaker 5: severe lockdowns. The lockdowns killed people as well as COVID.

907
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 5: It killed people through lack of hospital care, suicide, drug use.

908
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: He's just wrong. Our response, the mainstream response in the

909
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 5: United States was not pro health. We knew early on

910
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Speaker 5: in March twenty twenty, knew everything that we needed to

911
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: know about COVID in the data that was coming out

912
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 5: of Italy, which was that the average age of people

913
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Speaker 5: dying of COVID was eighty and the average number of

914
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Speaker 5: comorbidities was three. This was not a disease that was

915
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Speaker 5: going to affect the young, the healthy, and instead We

916
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 5: encouraged people to lock themselves up in their rooms, bake

917
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 5: banana bread, eat endlessly in front of the TV, and

918
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 5: put on another ten twenty thirty pounds to their already

919
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 5: excessly fat bodies, when obesity was the biggest predictor of

920
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 5: getting severe consequences from COVID, of dying from COVID. Everything

921
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 5: about this was completely backwards. The idea that we were

922
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Speaker 5: telling people don't go outside to exercise. I you know,

923
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Speaker 5: I will never get over being reprimanded in Central Park,

924
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 5: you know, race walking or running by people who were

925
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: the cyclists going around wearing masks. You know, how dare

926
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Speaker 5: you not wear a mask? You're going to kill me?

927
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 5: In Central Park? You could not infect anybody outdoors, and

928
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 5: yet our public health authorities were cheering on the destruction

929
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 5: of the possibility of healthy outdoor exercise. FAUCI was part

930
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 5: of that. And as you say, if there was, if

931
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Speaker 5: there was accountability based on the facts rather than on

932
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 5: people's pre existing political allegiances, their heads would roll. We

933
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 5: would say, what the hell has gone on too our

934
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 5: public health establishment? It has become deeply, deeply politicized and

935
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Speaker 5: will continue to be so. Of course, because now we

936
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Speaker 5: have the whole gender and race ideology that has taken

937
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Speaker 5: over our medical schools. So whether it's too late now

938
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Speaker 5: to restore sane in fact based medicine, I don't know,

939
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 5: but we have to keep putting out the facts. You

940
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Speaker 5: know that the millions. Also, let me say this, buck

941
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Speaker 5: that the millions of alleged deaths that he's talking about,

942
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 5: we don't have a clue how many people actually died

943
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 5: from COVID because early on in the pandemic, the CDC

944
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Speaker 5: decided to count deaths with COVID as deaths from COVID.

945
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Speaker 5: So if you've been hit by a car and you've

946
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Speaker 5: lost the use of your lungs in your heart, and

947
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 5: they test you when you come into the hospital and

948
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 5: you're testing positive for COVID, but in fact you die

949
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 5: from the crushing of your neurological system, you will be

950
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 5: counted as a death from COVID. So they did everything

951
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 5: they could to get these numbers up. I don't know

952
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 5: if we can go back retroactively and find out how

953
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 5: many were actually deaths from COVID, but right now we

954
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 5: know for sure that we have way overestimated the deaths

955
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Speaker 5: from COVID.

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Speaker 3: Heather I don't hear. You've done a lot of really

957
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: good work on a variety of fronts. One of them

958
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: has been the disaster that is defund the police. It

959
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: seems to me, because you're talking about how this will

960
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: play historically, that almost no one now is arguing in

961
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: favor of defund the police, and in fact, lots of

962
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: people who did argue in favor of it are now saying, oh,

963
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: I never said that. What do we think about the

964
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: data on the number of people that have died unnecessarily

965
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Speaker 3: by demonizing police, Well, it's huge.

966
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Speaker 5: I mean that you can estimate you can look at

967
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 5: what the homicide rates were pre George Floyd Race riots,

968
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 5: and we know that twenty nine percent increase in homicide

969
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty following the George Floyd Race riots. That

970
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: translates to thousands more black lives that were taken. Blacks

971
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 5: died of homicide at about thirty three times higher the rate,

972
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 5: and they continue to die at a much higher rate now.

973
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 5: But you know, the explanation for that, of course from

974
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 5: the left is that, well, it was the pandemic that

975
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 5: killed blacks, that it was the pandemic which caused people

976
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 5: to go start shooting in this barbaric way, in these

977
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 5: drive by shootings that took such a big toll in

978
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Speaker 5: gun violence on blacks. Blacks between the ages of ten

979
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 5: and twenty four die of gun homicide in the post

980
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 5: George Floyd era at twenty four times the rate of

981
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 5: whites in that same age Cohort. But we're supposed to

982
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 5: believe that, oh, somebody was like unable to put food

983
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 5: on the table during COVID and that made him go

984
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 5: out and grab a gun and start shooting at sixteen

985
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 5: year olds. I'm sorry, that is not the explanation. The

986
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 5: explanation is the delegitimation of the police, which Biden made

987
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 5: his theme while running for office, and he has continued

988
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 5: his theme. He's continued to say that black parents are

989
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 5: right to fear that their children will be killed by

990
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 5: a police officer or by a white supremacist every time

991
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 5: they step outside. That is an utter fiction. Blacks are

992
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 5: dying of gun homicide at astronomical rates being killed by

993
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Speaker 5: other blacks. So I'm not convinced. I know, I refuse

994
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 5: to give into any kind of optimism. It's true that

995
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 5: there's I mean, I haven't heard a lot of those

996
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 5: voices frankly Buck that are actually saying we made a mistake.

997
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 5: I also think that conservatives were wrong to seize too

998
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 5: much on the actual defund language, because there weren't that

999
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: many politicians outside of Minneapolis, Oakland, you know, San Francisco, LA.

1000
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 5: That were actually calling to defund. But what they were doing,

1001
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 5: and this is what was critical, is perpetuating the phony

1002
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: all narrative of systemic police racism. And it was that

1003
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 5: assault to morale which has led to the ongoing recruitment crisis,

1004
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: the retirement crisis police departments across the country. They weren't

1005
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 5: ever officially defunded, but they are way way down in

1006
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 5: necessary manpower. Because everybody is said to have with this.

1007
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: Why should I be in a job where from the

1008
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 5: first day I step on that job, I'm going to

1009
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 5: be deemed by the President of the United States no

1010
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 5: less as an endemic racist. And that type of hatred,

1011
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 5: that official hatred, has translated onto the streets. You had

1012
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 5: an extreme rise in cop killings after the George Floyd

1013
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 5: race riots. And again the reason for that is because

1014
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Speaker 5: especially Blacks make up about forty two percent of all

1015
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 5: cop killers nationwide. They're way way over represented among cop killers,

1016
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Speaker 5: and they have been told relentlessly that cops are their enemy.

1017
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 5: Resistance is up. That's going to lead officer to use

1018
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 5: their force, resulting in you know, negative viral videos going around.

1019
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 5: So I'm not that convinced that we've turned this narrative around.

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Speaker 1: Heather McDonald, author of The War on Coffs and go

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Speaker 1: check out her latest at City Journal. Heather, thanks so much,

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