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Speaker 1: And right now when I'm when I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: guests to the left of me, I am talking about
Speaker 1: R and B phenomenon. I'm listening to his music and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look for old o'tune. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: look for the cheek codes. And now this is a
Speaker 1: this is a he's hanks. I he arrails hands, Hans
Speaker 1: he hit that. No, he came here, loved man. Let's
Speaker 1: get it. Don't camera, don't caumecra, don't get you don't camera.
Speaker 1: This man has been out there working doing what he
Speaker 1: gotta do, and this motherfucking field always happy every time
Speaker 1: I see it. So case you don't know who the
Speaker 1: hell I'm talking about, because he's gonna sing your girls
Speaker 1: panties off, and this is true. Case you don't know
Speaker 1: how'm talking about, what only to say inevitable camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the record, we're coming off this oscars, right, I
Speaker 1: just want to stay off top. I'm scared of world Smith, like,
Speaker 1: you don't vote for them, right. I've met Will a
Speaker 1: few times. I've I've never met Chris Rock. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Well one time I met Chris Rock talk. It was
Speaker 1: in the party and if I'm talking and sayd hey, Chris,
Speaker 1: you no take a picture? And Chris is like, what
Speaker 1: is the world going to? The um? I want the
Speaker 1: picture with Noriega and Chris Rock. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell that. First of all, it wasn't funny.
Speaker 1: That wasn't funny to me. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: and I started to think about it that comedians don't
Speaker 1: know how to turn off being So what did you see?
Speaker 1: What did you see when when you first saw that?
Speaker 1: Where was you at? What what was you saying to yourself?
Speaker 1: I saw I saw a man fat up. I saw
Speaker 1: a man feed up. You know what I mean? I
Speaker 1: think when we when we look at Will, we we
Speaker 1: want to paint this perfect picture because to us, you know,
Speaker 1: he is a king. He is that standard, that bob,
Speaker 1: and so we we we great him on a very
Speaker 1: high scale. Will is not allowed to make mistakes, he's
Speaker 1: not allowed to have bad days. He's not a lot
Speaker 1: of it's a lot of pressure. And then I see
Speaker 1: the wife, you know, who's been enduring, you know, enduring
Speaker 1: for the last however long, and I just saw a
Speaker 1: breaking point. And the joke probably wasn't the worst joke
Speaker 1: that's been said. We've seen some crazier jokes. But sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just the straw that breaks the camels. Question under
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, weird at a breaking point. So
Speaker 1: even this straw right here, it may not be all
Speaker 1: about you, but this little straw that you just put
Speaker 1: on that camel's back, it was enough to send me.
Speaker 1: Now was he wrong? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I want your opinion. I just up listen. Yes he
Speaker 1: was wrong, undoubtably a full chest wrong. Now here's what
Speaker 1: you do know, sometimes you have to go there to
Speaker 1: let people know that you will. Yeah, I equated to
Speaker 1: talking to shot earlier. I equated to being on the
Speaker 1: basketball court. Right. There are fouls, and there are technical fouls, right,
Speaker 1: and so at a certain point in the game, when
Speaker 1: you're trying to send a message to the other team,
Speaker 1: you may say, you know what, for the sake of
Speaker 1: the energy moving forward, I need to not issue a
Speaker 1: regular fiul. I need to issue a technical foul. So
Speaker 1: you mother fuckers. No, I will go there if I
Speaker 1: have to. Because I felt him when he said keep
Speaker 1: my wife's name, I'll keep motherfucking mouth. That's I said.
Speaker 1: I was immediately scared of the person who made parents
Speaker 1: don't understand. You don't mess with said, I've been judged.
Speaker 1: I missed judge this for years. Leave a man, leave
Speaker 1: a man's money alone, leave a man's kids alone, leave
Speaker 1: a man's food alone, and by God, leave a man's
Speaker 1: wife alone. Just like that, Just because the last time
Speaker 1: act like this is the first time a comedian has
Speaker 1: been ran up on, not just magnitude though, I got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is commonplace. You can look in the crowd.
Speaker 1: I do comedy. You can look at the crowd and
Speaker 1: tell I shouldn't talk about him because he's already giving
Speaker 1: me the place, like, don't bring that ship over here
Speaker 1: like I'm enjoying myself. But I will. I will do that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Comedians so this, I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody could have anticipated that. But because he didn't smack,
Speaker 1: he smacked the internet. He smacked the means all the
Speaker 1: jokes that did be said every time Tupac is bored up,
Speaker 1: they'd be saying, it's like some funny ship. He's tired
Speaker 1: of that. He smacked. It's like a pressure, just like
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Fed up. Will has the size
Speaker 1: he has to reach. Have you seen Chris thought about that?
Speaker 1: Chris say, man, let me just let it go. That's
Speaker 1: the disappointed. If I walk up on you and swing
Speaker 1: on you, I know it's something coming behind that we're
Speaker 1: going to wrestle fight this thing out. I needed Chris Rock.
Speaker 1: I needed him to just give me so good. He's
Speaker 1: taking like a taking like a let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: He took it like a g let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: When they say when they say, I'm saying, it could
Speaker 1: have gone crazy, it could have gone crazy, but let
Speaker 1: me just like it's supposed to. At that moment, it
Speaker 1: felt like the Sauce Awards. It doesn't even be like
Speaker 1: you right when you smack me automatic. That's another part
Speaker 1: I forgot. He didn't want him. He's the ultimate, but
Speaker 1: I think the smack is worse in the punch. You're
Speaker 1: treated me like I got penny holes on, like coming hard? No,
Speaker 1: what is this? Like? I can't That was because it's
Speaker 1: Oscars and the truth. Let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: I've never been in the Oscars. I've never I'm just
Speaker 1: I just I felt like it's there awards show, right.
Speaker 1: I always felt like that this you know more is
Speaker 1: boycotting that, but I always felt like it was their
Speaker 1: award show. But they had my man producing it. Um Wacker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: woll Packer. And don't I feel like every time they
Speaker 1: like we do get something like we do something for
Speaker 1: ourselves up, like like I want to do real Smith
Speaker 1: is gonna smack with Rock. That's a fucking just there
Speaker 1: was sound like a joke like like here's the thing. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we are event for We're an eventful people like that
Speaker 1: somehow another the stars always line for us to have
Speaker 1: a moment when we're trying to have a moment. That
Speaker 1: was good. This just just what it is sometimes, man.
Speaker 1: And shout out to Willpacker for for producing a hell
Speaker 1: of a show. The show was actually good. Very proud
Speaker 1: of Will pack Great show you get because I don't
Speaker 1: like award shows it did. It looks like it has
Speaker 1: no soul and you could tell before I knew Will
Speaker 1: Packer was doing it, I could tell this was made
Speaker 1: with soul. Somebody, somebody who's producing this soul and their
Speaker 1: motherfucker looking out for me and wanted me to watch
Speaker 1: absolutely aslutely so, have you ever been in an access
Speaker 1: I've never been to the oscars. I've never been invited. Um,
Speaker 1: I can don't consider myself an actor. You know. I
Speaker 1: have some big BET blockbusters as well as some some
Speaker 1: major TV one blockbuster. Did you see me in the
Speaker 1: new edition? Starts Joe bust me? You didn't, Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Anybody in here and see me, That's fine. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a big deal on BT Okay, nothing
Speaker 1: made to the big screen yet I'm on my way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need your support, so you're doing you know
Speaker 1: they don't invite me, so you know what. The Oscars
Speaker 1: they't invited me yet. You know, I guess they don't
Speaker 1: nominate BT movies and TV one movies. But we're getting there,
Speaker 1: We're making progress. How about the Grammys? What do you
Speaker 1: what do you in terms of that? Like your photogrammis?
Speaker 1: Are you like the Grammys? I'm not. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: funck the Grammys. Okay, I'm never say that, But I
Speaker 1: can't say there is a need for immediate change. This
Speaker 1: gradual we're working on it. Oh, we're gonna get to it.
Speaker 1: Not gonna work because music is ever changing. As we
Speaker 1: see now that these platforms have come in, all these
Speaker 1: new platforms that have come into place to help monetize
Speaker 1: music more and give more visibility to certain kinds of artists,
Speaker 1: the landscape is completely different. And you have a format
Speaker 1: that is catered to traditional to traditional music or the
Speaker 1: traditional style of judging music, you can't do that no more.
Speaker 1: You just can't, like case in point, like when oz
Speaker 1: was going crazy. Of course, if you don't, if you're
Speaker 1: not in the festivals, if you're not tapping into that
Speaker 1: place where that music is played, you don't know how
Speaker 1: massive that kid is you don't know to put him
Speaker 1: in the top rap categories at your Grammys because you
Speaker 1: don't know. Everything you're doing is still done in a
Speaker 1: traditional space, different metrics. So it has to change, and
Speaker 1: people who understand the new metrics have to be integrated
Speaker 1: into the Grammys or they're gonna or they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: touch with everybody. They're gonna lose touch with everybody, and
Speaker 1: these things have to be televised. Like I argue this, UM,
Speaker 1: shout out to hear those guys. I love everybody. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to BT, shoutout to Soul training,
Speaker 1: all these guys. But accused me that the R and
Speaker 1: B best R and B category is not televised. Why
Speaker 1: why why can't we Why can't I love be seen? Huh,
Speaker 1: sexuality be saying that's crazy. I didn't even that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hurt nobody, nobody. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: My songs are you know, your phones are different. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But yet, and not against hip hop,
Speaker 1: you have more of a platform to say and do
Speaker 1: the things you need to do versus me. I'm just
Speaker 1: selling love. But I digress. So I think the format
Speaker 1: needs to be adjusted. In the way you adjust that
Speaker 1: format is by integrating people who know what the fund
Speaker 1: is going on right now, right like we like we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be at the the championship of that, Like
Speaker 1: when these these awards and things like that, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be some of us in the room. Is that
Speaker 1: what you're intended? Absolutely? Yeah, in the room and listen.
Speaker 1: It can't be everybody can't be over thirty. Everybody can't
Speaker 1: be over forded. Okay, but a sixty five year old listen,
Speaker 1: I don't care how long I don't already trying to
Speaker 1: hang on. He should not be voting in just shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing it right the pop category. He should listn't.
Speaker 1: If he want to vote on smooth jazz, let let
Speaker 1: him do that. But there has to be changed, and
Speaker 1: the integration has to happen now or you're gonna lose
Speaker 1: touch with the culture R and B and hip hop
Speaker 1: for that matter. Let me let me ask you changing
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. One thing I can hear
Speaker 1: from you, like I could. I can hear when I'm
Speaker 1: listening to your music, I could tell you was raising
Speaker 1: the church boy. Are you absolutely like it? Says that,
Speaker 1: and I know that's we're real singers. It always it
Speaker 1: starts out like that. How do you feel I'm switching
Speaker 1: it up a little bit? How do you feel about
Speaker 1: people who don't go to that, people who just take
Speaker 1: the easy route out and go order tune and then
Speaker 1: they can't even perform live because they're really not they
Speaker 1: can't sing at all. I love it. I did not
Speaker 1: expect that. I love it. It's a place for all
Speaker 1: of its love. Because listen, there are R and B R,
Speaker 1: and there are R and B singers. There's a difference.
Speaker 1: I need them so that the highlight of what I
Speaker 1: do is personified even more. You're gonna get some of that.
Speaker 1: You canna have playtime over there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and enjoy them. Tune the lyrics in Maryland, I I
Speaker 1: turned the tune on. Sometimes I turned it on to
Speaker 1: the aesthetic for the sound, tap into the youth. But
Speaker 1: when you want to hear a real singer, when you
Speaker 1: want your soul touched, you know what I'm saying. When
Speaker 1: you when you when ladies, when you want your inner
Speaker 1: secretions to flow in section, I don't want to after
Speaker 1: that mean, I know what it means. Then you come
Speaker 1: see R B singer. And again I always, I always
Speaker 1: try to speak to the equality of a thing. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna give the guys with the auto tune all
Speaker 1: the mainstream look, then give the vocal listen real singers
Speaker 1: some mainstream looks as well. We're asking let make some
Speaker 1: that would be the equivalent of lyricists m c s.
Speaker 1: And some that aren't. But they make dope music. They
Speaker 1: make dope music. Some some rappers are stylists, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, where it's like a voice you just
Speaker 1: can't deny, you know what I'm saying. Some rappers are
Speaker 1: good at making songs. The hook is fired the body
Speaker 1: of the so so maybe a few lines. And then
Speaker 1: some are just flat out lyricists to where there are bars,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That they're just undefeated. So
Speaker 1: it's room for all of it. I just want us
Speaker 1: to be able to I'm an R and B singer. Man,
Speaker 1: let me eat too, Let me with my big right right?
Speaker 1: Are you drinking beer? Is that pace efical? Yeah? He
Speaker 1: might be met Say so when I googled you it,
Speaker 1: say so. When I doled you seen you will see
Speaker 1: slack for performing at a Black gay pride event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why would you see slack for that? You you tell me,
Speaker 1: I'm asking you. He saw your tweet. You know, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's just a disconnect. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna understand that, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speak. You know, in terms of the Black community,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a stigma, and there's there's there's a
Speaker 1: hate that goes along with being gay, right right, And
Speaker 1: oftentimes in our language, to even um to I mean
Speaker 1: the greater person to the lowest, we can degrade them.
Speaker 1: We use gay. It's the adjective. And so that carries
Speaker 1: on even into entertainment. So paint the picture for you.
Speaker 1: Guy Brian who used to manage your fantasia, who's a
Speaker 1: gay man, who's my friend. He said, hey, man, what
Speaker 1: do you think about performing a gay pride in d C?
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, well we kind I'm from DC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, ship, we're kind of back. The
Speaker 1: guy he said, they got this kind of bag. I'm
Speaker 1: all the way right. And so we we get in
Speaker 1: there and and the first thing you say, are you
Speaker 1: gonna take your shirt off? And I said, you called me,
Speaker 1: I'll do what I do. I do a thing I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of im. I's not gonna rub off on
Speaker 1: me because I had to do my show right. So
Speaker 1: I go out there and I'm doing the first song right,
Speaker 1: and as I'm singing my first song, I just kind
Speaker 1: of noticed I'm scanning the crowd. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: know how to receive me at this time. I'm not
Speaker 1: knowing I'm the first straight mail artists to ever do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not knowing the energy and
Speaker 1: my understanding why all these questions are, you know, surrounding this.
Speaker 1: So I get out there and you know, I finished
Speaker 1: my first song and the explosions going out bad bad.
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, don't like this, y'all trying to
Speaker 1: masculinity and saying the sisters don't turn out now. I
Speaker 1: came to see you all and they said yeah. And
Speaker 1: it was at that moment that they understood, like, I
Speaker 1: have no judgment for you in your lifestyle. I only
Speaker 1: have love for you as a human being. You also
Speaker 1: are the reason why I'm able to feed my family,
Speaker 1: So I love you for that and I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna entertain. Ain't the same way I would entertain on
Speaker 1: any stage, whether it's a bunch of girls in the
Speaker 1: front row a bunch of guys in the front room.
Speaker 1: I'm securing my ship. I'm secure. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk into a game room and all of
Speaker 1: something become gay. Right, And so when the backlash comes
Speaker 1: and people are saying, oh, he must be gay, I
Speaker 1: can laugh at that because that's not the worst thing
Speaker 1: you can call me, right, because I don't see it
Speaker 1: is that. So I just did Pride in Dallas. Where's
Speaker 1: the bag? As I got fans there? Do they got
Speaker 1: the bag? I'm on the way. You sure you want
Speaker 1: to take picture? You goddamn r I don't want to
Speaker 1: take pictures, and ain't really if it ain't photographs, they
Speaker 1: don't hit the ground there in full support. So and
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, once we get out of
Speaker 1: once we get out of this hate space and are
Speaker 1: willing to have a real sit down and try to
Speaker 1: understand each other and do it in love, it's always
Speaker 1: gonna be this barrier between so many things. So for me,
Speaker 1: I leave with love. Man, I don't care what it
Speaker 1: is like. We had Jason Lee on here um and
Speaker 1: I had to ask him the question that we asked
Speaker 1: everyone else. You know what I mean, because if not,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been that. You know what the question is,
Speaker 1: does he eat? Ask? Wow, you want to go? Just
Speaker 1: talk to me. Brother. I'm here on the club. I
Speaker 1: hate the same Jason Lee's a whole different kind of ass,
Speaker 1: remember I mean Harry answer, He's right, but the club,
Speaker 1: so obviously you say you do eat as just be clear,
Speaker 1: woman's asked, woman's woman. I just want to keep this clear.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try to find a way. So we also
Speaker 1: had Trick Daddy on here, and Trick Daddy said he
Speaker 1: not only he enjoys being an ass, eat a booty gang,
Speaker 1: eat the moody and I he said, he got legs
Speaker 1: up and everything. I said, No, no legs up, he said,
Speaker 1: and he asked you to. But Trick, Trick Daddy is
Speaker 1: the president, and we are members in this cart not
Speaker 1: always legs up. We don't always. You know what I
Speaker 1: was gonna be that compromise up a little bit. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, This scotch up. What I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know you chest no, no, And
Speaker 1: he wears a bit, you wear a bit no nothing,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, no, listen, man, it's a man
Speaker 1: and a woman, you know, being consensual about things that
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, there are there are lines
Speaker 1: draw hey, don't just don't know. No no, poke pokey.
Speaker 1: He toned that down, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: but the first time it did happen to me, I was,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know why I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: I was in my Susie Rodeo and I'm sorry, Susie
Speaker 1: Rodo Suo rodeo. You know how long ago that was
Speaker 1: radio and I was thinking the older woman at the time,
Speaker 1: and she was like me, you know, show your first time,
Speaker 1: my first time. You got the first time. Eventually, that's
Speaker 1: how I got, you know, brought into this world. Check
Speaker 1: that he world. And uh and and you know, I
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't had my legs up on the
Speaker 1: head resting it. You know, it's very tick It tickled
Speaker 1: before I could actually enjoy it, right, so you know,
Speaker 1: and and it's like wow, wow, wow, he re funked
Speaker 1: up my child. A second he was on the road
Speaker 1: and I told you, I can really went smoke weeds.
Speaker 1: So only we would smoke weeds so I went to
Speaker 1: his room. He just did not ask him. He's like
Speaker 1: he was playing video games. He just went to turn
Speaker 1: on the TV and he just he had his legs
Speaker 1: on the TV on the because you know, yeah himself,
Speaker 1: so take We don't know if you know. The show
Speaker 1: was about giving out flower giving giving out flowers, showing
Speaker 1: people to love while they are alive and while they stand,
Speaker 1: and showing people how great they are. So no doubt,
Speaker 1: we want to give your flowers live and flash being
Speaker 1: what the hell you all lifetimes? A lifetime? We changed
Speaker 1: the time fire. Thank you brother. So let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Moving around, We're gonna get back to the later, you
Speaker 1: know anything, So what do you what do you? What
Speaker 1: do you still love about this game? It's that's changed
Speaker 1: for me. Um before what I loved about this game
Speaker 1: was everything that I had to offer, very selfish about
Speaker 1: the way I was gonna sing to him, about the
Speaker 1: way I was going to perform, by the way I
Speaker 1: was going to write it and produce it and deliver
Speaker 1: it me how I'm going to do it right. Every
Speaker 1: every show, every time I wake up, I'm about to
Speaker 1: kill these I'm like kill him right. And now it's
Speaker 1: I can't wait to build up this next singer songwriter
Speaker 1: producer so that they can go kill on R and
Speaker 1: B's behalf. I can't wait to give everything that I
Speaker 1: have to somebody else. That's what drives me now, because like,
Speaker 1: what good is the game if it? If it dies
Speaker 1: with me? You have to right and that, and that's
Speaker 1: how you truly truly build. That's how you truly create
Speaker 1: a legacy when your arms extend as far as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Right if an artist thirty years down the line says
Speaker 1: all of this was made possible because one day Tank
Speaker 1: gave me a call and said, I believe in you,
Speaker 1: and we're going to make something great happen. I've done
Speaker 1: my job. I've done my job because that that's my
Speaker 1: true gift. My true gift is championing and supporting and
Speaker 1: putting the battery. You can do it. I used to
Speaker 1: have a kid, uh that used to sing backgrounds with
Speaker 1: me my name and Luke James right, and and Luke
Speaker 1: James just also live well, so you can live with me.
Speaker 1: Man A said, first of all, you need to be
Speaker 1: writing songs. You need to be doing all this stuff
Speaker 1: like this is what you need to be doing. It's
Speaker 1: the first song he wrote was on my albums. That
Speaker 1: club and pain Right brought him in and we're singing back,
Speaker 1: We're singing. He's on the road singing backgrounds with men.
Speaker 1: I got my guys standing back there doing that thing.
Speaker 1: And one day we're at the house. You're singing, going
Speaker 1: back and forth, you know, sharpening the tools, and he
Speaker 1: goes into this high active Mariot Carrie Slash. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's like, NICKI, it's crazy. I said, this is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. We're gonna go on my stage and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call you out and I'm gonna say if
Speaker 1: Maxwell was here, what would he do? That kid? And
Speaker 1: then I want you to go crazy? And this kid
Speaker 1: stood at the front of my stage and almost took
Speaker 1: over my entire show every night. I had to fight
Speaker 1: to get my show back little James every night. But
Speaker 1: I wanted him to do that. I wanted them to
Speaker 1: scream and go crazy every time he touched that microphone.
Speaker 1: Now he's a little James believed in that kid still,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm looking to
Speaker 1: build things bigger than me, and we did that for you.
Speaker 1: Genuine m hmm, genuine. That was my next question. I
Speaker 1: was about to say, what the hell happened to teach
Speaker 1: superfess we get there, I'm fresh out of church to
Speaker 1: let's let you interview some you know, I'm fresh from
Speaker 1: prior rehearsal to the plane to l A. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, at this time, the devil kind of
Speaker 1: is still in the music. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was brainwashed to believe that this is the devil. Right,
Speaker 1: it's no longer the devil. But we get to rehearsal
Speaker 1: and I'm one of those overachievers. Before we get to
Speaker 1: l A, I know every genuine song, top to bottom,
Speaker 1: every harm No we were I was just there to
Speaker 1: sing almost already done Pony number one platinum. I learned
Speaker 1: every background part on his album, interludes everything. He walks
Speaker 1: into rehearsal, he starts chewing some stuff up, you know,
Speaker 1: just playing on the microphone, and we're back like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try another be Doobie out me like oh these
Speaker 1: they started playing it like I'm like, yeah, we're ready.
Speaker 1: He's so excited. He's like, I got to call this
Speaker 1: background singers on the hall tour it's Mary on the tour.
Speaker 1: It's Drew Hill on the tour. And I got the
Speaker 1: calling singers. He calls the Leah. I got the best
Speaker 1: singers on the tour. You better come see him. The
Speaker 1: Lah comes to this to the rehearsal studio. Here's a
Speaker 1: sing She's like, niggers cold. I come down. I get
Speaker 1: to me to Lea for the first time, She's like,
Speaker 1: what's your name? I was like Darrell. She's like, where
Speaker 1: you from. I'm from such and such. You're really doing
Speaker 1: with your real name because at the time only my
Speaker 1: family knew my nickname. My name is out of the baby,
Speaker 1: so I was just Durell at the time. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This time, I'm twenty two and she's
Speaker 1: you know, she's just asking me questions like I'm the
Speaker 1: main attraction. I don't know what this is the Lea
Speaker 1: She's got on the outfit bros To tell me this
Speaker 1: is the share the stomach is that. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is a liv and she's concerned about me. Right, And
Speaker 1: about a week later, Alia fired two background singers and
Speaker 1: hired me and another guy. You and and those two
Speaker 1: um mainly genuine like Alia would say you dope. You're
Speaker 1: like a one man Joe to see what you need
Speaker 1: to do, like you gotta wear this, and then then
Speaker 1: then you got the you got the song, focus on
Speaker 1: the piano, but you need to throw some of that
Speaker 1: edge like she was just just game me gave me
Speaker 1: and Ginuine would sit sit with me at the top
Speaker 1: of a theater, sold out theater, right and he was
Speaker 1: standing there. He would watch his picture line and to
Speaker 1: be a thousand girls in the picture line literally and
Speaker 1: he would say, dog, I'm gonna take every one of
Speaker 1: these picture dogs. That's what you gotta do. You wanna
Speaker 1: be a style. You got to keep a die. If
Speaker 1: the last one of them dig I'm gonna touch him all.
Speaker 1: If last one of the last one of them, dog dog.
Speaker 1: And I would watch him do this every night, left
Speaker 1: no fan behind every night. This is what you gotta do,
Speaker 1: taking things and you're writing songs. And then I got
Speaker 1: to meet my favorite producer, Timberland, and me and Timberland
Speaker 1: on the bus with my PVDPM keyboard making beats together
Speaker 1: and he's like, take you talent, you got the sauce,
Speaker 1: but you gotta do is you gotta do this. You
Speaker 1: gotta do this, all these guys gaming me, gaming me,
Speaker 1: gaming me, and then Ginuine did what gave me the
Speaker 1: front of his stage. Go crazy, little brow. You talk
Speaker 1: about you talk about the leftovers. Amen, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the coldest wingman in history, in history. I carried
Speaker 1: the foot locker bags. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: carried the oak tree bags. I would be in the
Speaker 1: middle of the mall buying the silver jewelry. You know
Speaker 1: the sound I'm saying, the sterling silver sock to fit
Speaker 1: in with Genuine. His wing men wouldn't look so crazy.
Speaker 1: And when Genuine went out and he needed that wing
Speaker 1: we got supers there. I'm staring. I'm starine head. We
Speaker 1: got him out. You would have going on the power
Speaker 1: of a laminate the r late with the wine, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, with Genuine. We'd love to go see him.
Speaker 1: I would love for you to see him. You got
Speaker 1: any friends, You got any friends? So that's that's Genuine.
Speaker 1: Let's let's cross over in the t G T. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's get into that. What then happened? Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame all of us, you said all of us,
Speaker 1: all of us, as I put most of the blame
Speaker 1: on Tyrese, and then and then some more and now
Speaker 1: some of the blame on Genuine, and then I'll get
Speaker 1: back to myself. I gotta you know, I'm I'm here
Speaker 1: with you. Never make myself look better than those guys.
Speaker 1: This is just the true Okay, okay, Um. What happened
Speaker 1: the first time around is we fought to make that album.
Speaker 1: It was a hell of a process. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: no's like literally like the only thing that kept me
Speaker 1: from fighting Ti Reese, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like really like like slamming, slamming him on top of
Speaker 1: his head was it was that guy right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my manager. He was like, you can't go over there
Speaker 1: and fight. I said, why can't I can't. I can
Speaker 1: go to his house. We can fight, get it off
Speaker 1: our chest, and then make some more music. But you
Speaker 1: are not gonna text me text me like like I'm
Speaker 1: not a grown like Tyrese on the text chain. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: he greasy on the text shape. He'd go there on
Speaker 1: the tech shape right and as soon as I say, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to fuck you up. While we always want
Speaker 1: to fight because all the fighting words. Okay, who's on
Speaker 1: the text change though? Me? Genuine and tyrese. It's the
Speaker 1: craziest check. And then you'll see I say, yea, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't do this. That y'all better than this, said no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna him up absolutely um. But that was just
Speaker 1: to Alpha Like me and Tie are both capitalcorns, and
Speaker 1: we bumped heads every step of the way. I'm way first,
Speaker 1: he's he's the December thirty one. We bumped heads every
Speaker 1: step of the way. That's my brother, so I can
Speaker 1: I can say, I can talk about anybody else talking
Speaker 1: about um. And I just felt like he was doing
Speaker 1: too much. Why I was mad? He knows this. I
Speaker 1: was mad. I was like, listen, I make albums. I
Speaker 1: make bodies of work. I have classic albums. I am
Speaker 1: still doing this ship at a high level. To let
Speaker 1: me handle the music. Your cash. As the biggest star
Speaker 1: in our group, I will give way to you handling
Speaker 1: the business. Use that Tyree's blockbuster billion dollar box office
Speaker 1: cache to get us the best deal imaginable, all the
Speaker 1: fast and furiousness. Rightious, He's furious, come furious, but let
Speaker 1: me handle this music. This is what the funk I do.
Speaker 1: And he wouldn't get out of my way, kept stepping
Speaker 1: on my toes. He likes to do boot camps. I
Speaker 1: like to lock in with two or two or three producers,
Speaker 1: a couple of writers and make magic. People like a
Speaker 1: thousand producers and writers making I don't. I just don't
Speaker 1: make music like that. I'm from the Jimmy Jam and
Speaker 1: Terry Lewis from Teddy Riley, from the Timberland, the Doctor Dre.
Speaker 1: I'm from those schools where we lock in and we
Speaker 1: find it and we make magic. That's what I'm from.
Speaker 1: But but his process is not wrong, just not my process.
Speaker 1: So our arguments and our beef was more so men
Speaker 1: who have been successful trying to figure out a way
Speaker 1: being successful individually trying to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: be successful together, right, And so neither one of us
Speaker 1: wanted to bow down to either person's process. Your process,
Speaker 1: it's not better than mind. Your process is not better
Speaker 1: than mine. Well, then here we are, and that's what
Speaker 1: made it difficult. Finally get the album done. Over time,
Speaker 1: album finally comes out, we do some shows overseas, I
Speaker 1: think seven shows overseas. We do like three shows in
Speaker 1: the US, and again we have a movie start in
Speaker 1: the group. He gets called away to do a movie
Speaker 1: which we couldn't control because you know what, Paul passed
Speaker 1: and got rest his soul um it from a scheduling standpoint,
Speaker 1: it got crazy for for Tie and everybody that was
Speaker 1: a part of the franchise, And so when that responsibility called,
Speaker 1: he had to answer, and so that threw us off
Speaker 1: on the first one. Getting into this second one looks
Speaker 1: like you're passionate about this one. Yeah, yeah, I'm passionate
Speaker 1: about this one. I want to say this so that
Speaker 1: everybody can get on their ass right. T g T
Speaker 1: the second time around is bigger than music. Bigger than
Speaker 1: music in terms of it as it relates to us.
Speaker 1: It's for the It's for the R and B universe
Speaker 1: as a collective and for kings as a collective to
Speaker 1: see the Kings can come together and do real ship,
Speaker 1: creating a blue merin what what what I think is
Speaker 1: happening right now is as stressful as that process was.
Speaker 1: Nobody feels like they have to inconvenience themselves anymore to
Speaker 1: do it, and I blame that on people being rich.
Speaker 1: Is rich? Genuine is rich? Do they need t g T. No,
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to them what the fans needed. But
Speaker 1: the R and B universe needs t g T. For
Speaker 1: the love of what we are, for the legacy of
Speaker 1: what we're building. That's what t g T is about.
Speaker 1: This is my last album, but t g T would
Speaker 1: be my absolute last album if we did that right,
Speaker 1: because the people who are watching us, what is the message?
Speaker 1: What is the message we send? After one album? Arguments
Speaker 1: online and nothing after what did we do? We heard
Speaker 1: ourselves more than we helped ourselves. We believe that with
Speaker 1: all this ship after the fact, I mean, people may
Speaker 1: be able to separate the music from the foodsgenes that
Speaker 1: we went through. I respect it. It was one of
Speaker 1: the greatest R and B albums ever created. I will
Speaker 1: say that. But we gotta finish right. We gotta finish right, man,
Speaker 1: all the way down to the wire. It's fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: last three minutes left. What are we doing? So that's
Speaker 1: where I'm at? Right, can give me some more You
Speaker 1: got it? S yeah, you send it to both of us,
Speaker 1: asks just me, okay, I got it? Boom. You want
Speaker 1: to play it on the rules? The rules are no
Speaker 1: politically correct answers. Ship. If you say both or neither,
Speaker 1: we all take a shot. So it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: multiple or two. So we're gonna do this for two nights.
Speaker 1: It's one. Are these shots? You say one? We're good?
Speaker 1: Nobody drinks say both are neither. We're drinking. We drink
Speaker 1: with you, don't drink by yourself. We drink with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all drink. Y'all can drink too. Yeah. I felt
Speaker 1: like I said at first, But as long as you're
Speaker 1: with me, are you ready? Absolutely love my shot up
Speaker 1: normally see them a little my shot up. Now you're
Speaker 1: all correct? This is this is Japanese that you're on
Speaker 1: right here. This is Dominican mamajuana right here in the
Speaker 1: national nations nations right here. I would have the day
Speaker 1: later on your thing. Yes, yes, spot me a mama pup. Yes,
Speaker 1: poor lightly. It is a long game. Snoop Dogg with
Speaker 1: jay z A. We drink it. We could drink. We
Speaker 1: could drink. I mean, unless you gotta answer it sounds
Speaker 1: like a drink. That sounds like a drink to me,
Speaker 1: ship both. Okay, you started off early. You didn't do
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna askwer for this morning.
Speaker 1: I was a little too much. Take good time, take
Speaker 1: good time. At no I've been I've lost a couple
Speaker 1: of times. It happens Chris Brown or Usha Chris Brown.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know what she was gonna go
Speaker 1: with it. There trade songs or Jeremiah trade songs? Podcast
Speaker 1: or radio you got a podcast? Okay, this one, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna say. Rianna Beyonce Missy or
Speaker 1: Eve Missy? Keep sweat, Johnny Gil keep sweat. He played
Speaker 1: the game for real or Kanye for Real? Fab for
Speaker 1: Jada kiss high Beverages, Who yeah solo. I don't like
Speaker 1: what's happening right now. I don't know that's addressed that
Speaker 1: you you you're making a face like you just did
Speaker 1: a whole shots like this coming. This is, this is
Speaker 1: it's that whiskey, y'all. You have something that I don't
Speaker 1: know a little top of this is trust me do
Speaker 1: this all things? All right? All right? Um we are okay?
Speaker 1: Mariah or Janet Janet? I gotta ask this why why
Speaker 1: on that one times? In totality the overall you know
Speaker 1: what I mean sing sing Janet as like the complete
Speaker 1: performer that she is. Um, she just is what she is,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? From from a dancer to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying the full Circle's Bust the rhymes are Eminem.
Speaker 1: You know what I gotta go with what I listened to? Okay,
Speaker 1: bust the rhymes? You want to explain now, it would
Speaker 1: be good. I think that. Here's what I think people
Speaker 1: have to figure out. If you've never seen anybody trying
Speaker 1: to follow bus the rhymes on stage on stage, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you won't understand this. You do not want any smoke
Speaker 1: with Buster rhymes and split Star when them songs come
Speaker 1: on and start going back to back to back to back.
Speaker 1: Now to the Eminem hamlet in the right setting and
Speaker 1: the verses in the right setting. Let's let's let's let's
Speaker 1: we we want this question. Let's say versus Buster. First, Eminem,
Speaker 1: what is happening? Buster? Your face? Anybody has an opportunity
Speaker 1: to jump on that man with Eminem, with Eminem, it's Buster,
Speaker 1: it's Buster because he had game on here. Game said
Speaker 1: that he's better than Eminem. The game is better. He's
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah, and what rapping? Okay, you have to
Speaker 1: believe that you are the best. That's how this works. It,
Speaker 1: that's it. I will never I will never talk down
Speaker 1: on the man believing in himself. He believed it to period.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I will say, I
Speaker 1: will say I think again in terms of what I
Speaker 1: listened to, game song's on the playlist, So just no, no,
Speaker 1: no Monica or Brandy, Brandy, digital or analog. Yeah, Toby
Speaker 1: Lanes on the weekend. Whoa, oh sorry about the weekend. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Take the shot. Nope, stuff, Nope, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with overall artistry.
Speaker 1: In terms of tool bag, I'm gonna go with Tori.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That was I ain't been broken the mitt
Speaker 1: All right, let's go keep thriller or off the wall.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, get my shot, right, Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this. We gotta play with it. We gotta
Speaker 1: play with it. Give it to you, Okay, I say,
Speaker 1: I think, I say I respect Oh Dr Dre or
Speaker 1: pup Daddy. Yeah, it's starting to feel like they are.
Speaker 1: It's starting to feel like they leone. Um. You don't
Speaker 1: criteria whatever, your criterias stop so much. He don't give
Speaker 1: you can answer every way you want. I wanna take
Speaker 1: that shot. That'll get the whether. You gotta get these
Speaker 1: shots ready, man, Because he was going through them like
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was having a good time and then
Speaker 1: I just just hit a wall. Hit the wall, Puff
Speaker 1: and Dr Dre. I mean talking about guys bro Like
Speaker 1: you're talking about brand and headphones and liquor and it
Speaker 1: just gets billions. It's crazy. Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robs, Marvin Gaye,
Speaker 1: Al Green, Teddy Penagraph, Al Green, the grit Stone, Jerry
Speaker 1: Curl Baptist preaching, Womanized and gens. I'm not sure makes
Speaker 1: makes some noise to that. That's when the music music.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, that's a little The day I felt terrible,
Speaker 1: I said, it's kind of funny because as you're going
Speaker 1: through this ship, you're making the best music ever. And
Speaker 1: it was like you're hurt. It's making my ears happy.
Speaker 1: That's what pain does. That's what pain does. Yeah, please
Speaker 1: don't go. It was a real song. Maybe I deserve
Speaker 1: it was a real song. That's my notes, chill sucking
Speaker 1: up my notes. Mm hmm. I've never known this question.
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or Prince Michael Jackson? Have you met either
Speaker 1: one of them? The day I was supposed to go
Speaker 1: meet Michael what what the day Jamie was Jamie was
Speaker 1: taking all of us out out to uh out to
Speaker 1: the ranch. Jamie Fox I'm sorry, Jamie FOXX was taking
Speaker 1: us all out to right, Jamie, I'm not like we
Speaker 1: was just noticed. I was singing backgrounds. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: So you supposed to Jackson, Yes, I was supposed to me.
Speaker 1: He was going. They were rehearsing next right right next
Speaker 1: door to us, and then they told Fox bring your crow,
Speaker 1: come on down. Michael would love to have you guys,
Speaker 1: like you're just calling Fox just now. Is either Jamie Jamie,
Speaker 1: It's not both. So if you say, you say, Jamie,
Speaker 1: motherfucker you got it's a hard package. And I think
Speaker 1: he's got that, you know, trademark or something. Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Holy Okay, Bobby Brown, I'll be sure Bobby Brown don't
Speaker 1: do that. I need to explain because the way you
Speaker 1: said that Bobby Brown is is one of the kings,
Speaker 1: one of the kings. Like when Bobby Brown left New Edition,
Speaker 1: who was the greatest group and probably the greatest group
Speaker 1: blueprint of all times? Right, Bobby Brown went told to
Speaker 1: toll with New Edition every night by himself, by himself,
Speaker 1: and what I gotta do. Listen and in d C.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, at the Capital Center. He
Speaker 1: gave them problems. What do you mean he went up
Speaker 1: against them. It was like he was right before new edition.
Speaker 1: I'll be sure somebody before, I'll be sure. Then I'll
Speaker 1: be sure. Then Bobby Brown, then new edition. You know,
Speaker 1: Bobby went crazy because Bobby went to that thing. Bobby,
Speaker 1: Bobby went to that ship. You ever read his book
Speaker 1: when um he said that he fried cocaine chicken, chicken
Speaker 1: and cocaine. I did not read. Did you say how
Speaker 1: it tastes? He kept the rest of no one else
Speaker 1: who said, well, supposedly in his book goes somewhere he
Speaker 1: has so much cocaine that he didn't know it was cocaine,
Speaker 1: and he thought it was flower at one point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's accident. And he didn't. You don't you make think
Speaker 1: he didn't. And I want to hear the after. You
Speaker 1: know what, that's not the best. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: you know your real nick. I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: I didn't taste it's because number Oh god, that's that's
Speaker 1: crazy right there. We'll talk later. Oldest read it or
Speaker 1: Sam Cup, Sam Cup, Stevie Wonder, Luther vandros Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1: I think Stevie see, huh. You can see sometimes what
Speaker 1: you're looking at it sometimes driving license huh. I think
Speaker 1: Stevie got Stephen can see sometimes I don't know how
Speaker 1: he does. I mess Stevie a bunch of times. Stevie
Speaker 1: gave me a recording kit. One time, me and Stevie
Speaker 1: sets out the side on the piano on the keyboard
Speaker 1: before singing lyrics. He's singing my lyrics and I messed
Speaker 1: his up. It's cool, It's fine. Apologize, you know it's
Speaker 1: that apologize. I apologize the ultimate Frost. He's flawsing on
Speaker 1: us on the spot, like Stephen, don't walk up to
Speaker 1: you all the time and sit next to you on
Speaker 1: the keyboartist and I know all of your songs and
Speaker 1: just start singing your lyrics and I was I choked,
Speaker 1: Shot said, he wrote in the elevator with Stevie and
Speaker 1: Stevie press but the story out there. Let's get love
Speaker 1: the frost. You sat down and play the piano together.
Speaker 1: Let's just be clear you think you can see the
Speaker 1: piano because this is this is weird. I'm not even
Speaker 1: like I mean, at that point, you don't have to
Speaker 1: see when you can say like that, I don't have
Speaker 1: to see the real life. You think he can see though,
Speaker 1: for real I think he can see sometimes, right, because
Speaker 1: how you notice? I think that because other sentences, other
Speaker 1: senses are so heightened, right, and be and being able
Speaker 1: to understand the sensibility of shapes and sizes of things,
Speaker 1: and and counting in the math of things, the ability
Speaker 1: to visualize what's in front of you. It's possible to
Speaker 1: see shades. It's possible to be able to from a
Speaker 1: sonic standpoint. Right, You've seen Batman when they were using
Speaker 1: the phones to pin uh pin uh what do they
Speaker 1: called it, with the with the with the submarines, which
Speaker 1: is right, And so there's an idea of sonar existing
Speaker 1: within us, and so that will create the structure or
Speaker 1: whatever space that you're in or whatever thing that you touch. Right,
Speaker 1: possible can he see switch lanes? No, No, Stevie can
Speaker 1: switch lanes. This is nothing, Shock said, Shock said, he
Speaker 1: will were in the elevator. He didn't say that he
Speaker 1: was in there. He just seek Stevie like they lived
Speaker 1: in the same building and they both walked in and
Speaker 1: Shock because he didn't want to say that, and Stevie said,
Speaker 1: when Shaq walked out, all right later Diesel like he
Speaker 1: was a pressing the button to it obviously, but this
Speaker 1: is you can google it on line. U Sho accuses
Speaker 1: that Stevie could actually see the way too. They figure
Speaker 1: it's Stevie. He's been, he's been to professionally understand how
Speaker 1: that works. That's true. Look, they just hit me with Stevie.
Speaker 1: ONEA gave Darryl Dwkin his chocolate done the nickname. What
Speaker 1: he gave Darryl Dawkins his chocolate thunder nickname? How do
Speaker 1: you know he's hunk man. I'm sure somebody told him
Speaker 1: Darrel Dawkins. That's that's a darker guy, we said, oldest
Speaker 1: ready man, Sam Cook? Right, do we skip over Erica
Speaker 1: about doing at least? Yeah? You spose I do all
Speaker 1: at least your kids about you pussy instance, No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, I don't have it? You don't
Speaker 1: want to support the pussy. I support pussy. You don't
Speaker 1: know that, Yeah, pussy home good, it's called the whole
Speaker 1: product line. Like, I don't know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to explain that to my wife that I brought some
Speaker 1: pussy home. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. You know what. I'm like, bab
Speaker 1: I got this got it might be like, what is so?
Speaker 1: So you want to know what her? You want me
Speaker 1: to put it off so I can. You can be
Speaker 1: around supporting? Are you support? It's not a goodly ship.
Speaker 1: That was good. I had no idea who are new
Speaker 1: addition we did? We did a new addition or the
Speaker 1: Jackson five? Fuck? I have to go with a new addition.
Speaker 1: You really love new addition, love new addition. I was
Speaker 1: raised on that album. My love for R and B
Speaker 1: grew with any heartbreak, you know, going to that tour,
Speaker 1: my my first concert, asking my father, please can you
Speaker 1: take me to see a New Edition? We need a yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the blueprint for me. And then from New Edition
Speaker 1: spawned every other group that you can think of at
Speaker 1: this point, from the Instincts, the Whole Boyfriend before that,
Speaker 1: really right after Jackson five, when did they come out
Speaker 1: it seventies Yeah, I'm seventy seven, I'm seventy six. Yes,
Speaker 1: So New Edition became the blueprint for every successful group thereafter.
Speaker 1: The blueprint nothing different. This is how we're gonna rehearse.
Speaker 1: So we're sing this is how we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We need five the whole thing, the whole thing to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Yea. And they're the blueprint.
Speaker 1: God damn, it makes a noise. New addition. So besides,
Speaker 1: besides new edition, who else were you listening to? Really
Speaker 1: young Jodac. I can see it, I can see it, Jodac.
Speaker 1: Now that's a blueprint. Yeah. That was like the bad
Speaker 1: Boys are someone's well, Bobby was the bad boy, and
Speaker 1: then and then uh, and then the the three UM
Speaker 1: B B D. Of course the first the first R
Speaker 1: and B and hip hop group, which new edition. It's
Speaker 1: a new edition but in a spawn off, but never
Speaker 1: had been done before. They were the first, so they
Speaker 1: had kind of an edge to them. If you want
Speaker 1: to say that, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: there's no addition you have Jodac my god, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just take a shout to join. That's because that's because
Speaker 1: so that was my makeup. When I would go to
Speaker 1: churches over you know, all over the d m V.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, you sound like a gospel Jelasy, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you sound like a gospel
Speaker 1: Jeltacy or r Kelly, like, you just got you know, Kelly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just let's R Kelly, He said, Robert Kelly's blueprint.
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, I get it. I understand. But
Speaker 1: there's there's absolutely no way that now they are the guests, right,
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way that I can dig into my
Speaker 1: musical DNA and strip away Joe to see and R.
Speaker 1: Kelly and Brian mynight in baby Faces. It's absolutely impossible.
Speaker 1: Everyone else is like, we get it, we understand, But like,
Speaker 1: I still watched The Cosby Show, And how does it
Speaker 1: make you feel when you watch it? Do you do
Speaker 1: the lessons? Do you see Did you see the Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby documentary? We got to talk about Bill. It's cold,
Speaker 1: We got to talk about that. It has the same
Speaker 1: the documentary. I saw the Rob documentary, which scared me.
Speaker 1: You scared me. Did you work with Kelly? Right? Indirectly?
Speaker 1: I did a song for Sharissa that R. Kelly ended
Speaker 1: up featuring on SO and I produced and wrote it
Speaker 1: and I Kelly got on it and sang so. Indirectly,
Speaker 1: UM hung out with him a couple of times. Play
Speaker 1: some basketball. You want to hear that? Would like to
Speaker 1: hear that? Kelly? There I'm gonna try to I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to make this short because it's it's three parts, right,
Speaker 1: all right. So we're having a celebrity basketball game. Okay,
Speaker 1: first time I meet Rob. Let's go back to that
Speaker 1: first time I meet R Kelly was with Tyrese. We
Speaker 1: call up, come outside because Tyrese's Tyres is the is
Speaker 1: the fan club president of r K. Did not know
Speaker 1: this fan club president him right now in jail number
Speaker 1: R Kelly. What do you need tywheek Tyrees? I thought
Speaker 1: I was the big R Kelly fan. Tyrese trumps me
Speaker 1: by a thousand, okay, big of Tyres. So we the
Speaker 1: with the W and uh where is this the W?
Speaker 1: And uh yeah? Westwood, Westwood, Westwood, Yes, and this is
Speaker 1: the first time I meet R. Kelly at the W.
Speaker 1: At the W, Kelly gets off the bus, walks over
Speaker 1: to me, gives me a hug, and the only thing
Speaker 1: he says to me is a devil dead or alive,
Speaker 1: can't keep us apart. And I know what you meant
Speaker 1: by that. You're trying to say that y'all have smoked
Speaker 1: no no for my bad. The first time you met him,
Speaker 1: he said, king of devil dead or alive, keep us apart.
Speaker 1: I know he was talking about. I know who he
Speaker 1: was talking about. Somebody was talking about, y'all know, somebody
Speaker 1: who was just keeping us apart. Because I was signed
Speaker 1: under the idea that I was the next R Kelly
Speaker 1: by the person who made R Kelly m So I
Speaker 1: knew exactly what he was talking about. But that was
Speaker 1: then separate ways and seen him again since cut to Orlando.
Speaker 1: I think it's All Star or Super Bowl celebrity basketball game.
Speaker 1: Chris Brown and celebrity friends versus R Kelly and celebrity friends.
Speaker 1: That's it. They're announcing Chris Brown's celebrity team. It's a
Speaker 1: bunch of celebrities. It's us, right, all of us. Our
Speaker 1: Kelly comes running in with this team. They announced the
Speaker 1: celebrities for the R. Kelly team. Give it up for
Speaker 1: R Kelly Playball. It is R Kelly and seven Team
Speaker 1: goods fresh shout. None of their clothes match shoes. Is
Speaker 1: fucked up like a movie. These these guys are not
Speaker 1: basketball players. They are criminals for sure. I know the
Speaker 1: criminal outfit. I know it. I know it. The game starts,
Speaker 1: I said, I got kills part of me. I as
Speaker 1: we needed the fans to understand what you're saying. You're
Speaker 1: saying you're guarding. I'm checking our Kelly. Okay, yes, let's
Speaker 1: go right r Kelly. Kelly decides to cut to the left.
Speaker 1: I get a pick upside my head, like a pick,
Speaker 1: like a pick. Okay, bomb, okay, okay, boom upside my
Speaker 1: head one of them, I said, got me on that one.
Speaker 1: That's got some men still checking out Killy still checking
Speaker 1: out Kelly. Kelly cut boom, boom. Two picks from sad goon.
Speaker 1: I said, hallelujah. I'm trying to keep my ship together.
Speaker 1: So no feeling right. Kelly gets the ball, come to
Speaker 1: the basket, turn to go with him. Boom said going again,
Speaker 1: same guy. I said, cool. If that's how the funk
Speaker 1: y'all want to play, that's how the funk we're gonna play. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I play football. I played basketball because I can. I'm
Speaker 1: a football player. I'm gonna lying back on the running back.
Speaker 1: I said, let's play. I proceeded to run every one
Speaker 1: of these motherfucker's the funk over every player. I'm talking
Speaker 1: cash ship to kill. Yeah, you got these motherfucker's trying
Speaker 1: to pick me. I'm you don't want he coming out
Speaker 1: trying to check me, or you can't check me on
Speaker 1: this show game, this trash check this thing to the
Speaker 1: funk out of here the whole game. I'm going crazy.
Speaker 1: The first half. It gets to a point to where
Speaker 1: t I fresh Out comes out of the stands and says, hey, Tank,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep a cool head, bro, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta keep a cool I said, I'm in my mind,
Speaker 1: you just gotta. And then I'm thinking, like, am I
Speaker 1: that bad? That a hand freshout of freshout of Prinson
Speaker 1: to tell me to come down. I'm gone. Though, second
Speaker 1: half comes, we're about to win the game. Our current
Speaker 1: it makes a shot, they give him thirty points. I'm leaded,
Speaker 1: while Wayne Williams, I'm cussing him the funk out. I'm
Speaker 1: cussing our Kelly out. I'm cussing his gooms out there
Speaker 1: like tanking a person. That's how we gotta play with
Speaker 1: our funck y'all. And Rob I'm oh kiss the ball.
Speaker 1: Two sets of stuff, win the game, Get in the
Speaker 1: funk out of here, get them out of here. Who Assi,
Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm bare. My people don't know that side
Speaker 1: of him. Guy. They leave never see R. Kelly again,
Speaker 1: never see him again. But that's on my mind. I'm
Speaker 1: pissed R. Kelly for the rest of the time. That's
Speaker 1: how you make you know what I'm saying. That's how
Speaker 1: you make real enemies. On the basketball court, right, that
Speaker 1: was some whole ass ship niggas just picking for you
Speaker 1: all game. Nikos would catch the rebound up under the
Speaker 1: basketball court and throw it back to him so he
Speaker 1: could shoot. That's how they play. Kills gets the ball,
Speaker 1: anybody else shoots, somebody get sucked up. That's how he plays.
Speaker 1: Cut to We're in Chicago on some T G T
Speaker 1: business again, ty reeses are all things are Kelly? He
Speaker 1: got He like, look, man, Rob really wants you to
Speaker 1: come by the gym. You know what I'm saying. Just
Speaker 1: you know that bygones be bygones, you know, make fun
Speaker 1: Rob Man. I tell him, I said that, No, don't
Speaker 1: be like that tank. You know the Kings, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: King just want to haul at you. The King. Why
Speaker 1: are you calling him the king? First of all, he
Speaker 1: you know, he's the kid, he the King. But anyway,
Speaker 1: just right right, what are we talking about? Right? So
Speaker 1: I was like, he finally talking to me, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, out, go for the tapes, or this
Speaker 1: is after the tapes, this is before the case for
Speaker 1: the case for the tapes. You know the tape. You
Speaker 1: know that was like the people want on bootleg after
Speaker 1: the tape. After that was going there all expect that.
Speaker 1: So he was he wasn't convicted, right, I can't judge
Speaker 1: him anyway, solus. Plus, you still want to bust his
Speaker 1: ass and I still want to bust So we get
Speaker 1: to the gym, right, nobody. I definitely told this part
Speaker 1: of the store. I leave this part out, but you
Speaker 1: know we're here. So we walk in and as soon
Speaker 1: as he walking to the gym, I'm stone wall because
Speaker 1: it's just me and tires. I know it's killed. I
Speaker 1: know he got his gunes with him. Know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for whatever it is, what it is. Right,
Speaker 1: So soon as I walk in the gym, walking in
Speaker 1: with my face on, yeah, ni, he like this tank,
Speaker 1: Come on man, you know I love you. Man, Come here, man,
Speaker 1: come here, man. And he go up to embraced me
Speaker 1: and he starts tickling me. What the fun? Now, here's
Speaker 1: the problem with that? Again? I'm really ticklish. So I'm
Speaker 1: like stop. Yes, yes, stop, you don't. It's that kind
Speaker 1: of on it's embarrassing moment, A tickling me, right. I
Speaker 1: said it was his way of making friends, and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But he was like, yeah, this that's
Speaker 1: how you got a comment that you gotta tickling because
Speaker 1: just take a funk, you up the tank. I have
Speaker 1: no idea, girl, No, I'm not gonna do this with
Speaker 1: you anyway. I've been here so anyway, this is R
Speaker 1: Kelly's way of trying to get back at me. He
Speaker 1: put me on the opposite team. R Kelly's rules in
Speaker 1: the gym is when he wins, he plays next. When
Speaker 1: he loses, he plays next. He sounds like rules to
Speaker 1: me at all Y's world. It's world. He never right.
Speaker 1: He put me on every opposing team. Now the first game,
Speaker 1: I'm going crazy like that. It is what it is, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm going I'm going to ham on him. But
Speaker 1: then I stopped and I checked myself. By the way,
Speaker 1: the first game you won, right, First I checked myself.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, and in in in real life,
Speaker 1: I respect this man in real life. He is the
Speaker 1: king of R and B. In real life. Yes, some
Speaker 1: athletically superior. I'm younger, he's older, right, Let let let
Speaker 1: me let my older do do his thing. And so
Speaker 1: you let him win for the rest of the rest
Speaker 1: of the games. I let him win. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what it is? What he'll make a shot? Kills,
Speaker 1: I said, shot right there. I can't, boy, what do
Speaker 1: you shoot that from? You shot that from Manica? I
Speaker 1: allow you a better man. Listen, I'm not done. Maybe
Speaker 1: the ticklings something you over. I think that's what it did.
Speaker 1: It definitely worked him. I think he knows me. Cut
Speaker 1: to brother Jake Valentine comes to town. He's always my ringer, right,
Speaker 1: and I said, listen, man, Kills wantus to come play
Speaker 1: basketball with him tonight. I feel like we're back cool again, right.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, I'm not going to play with Kels.
Speaker 1: I played real basketball. I say, I know, but you
Speaker 1: know it's it's the King. Like that reason now it's
Speaker 1: the King. You know, we get to go who like,
Speaker 1: just you know, we'll play, but you don't gotta really
Speaker 1: gotta play, like just be cool. He's like, just, man,
Speaker 1: I don't want the part that please please. So Jake said,
Speaker 1: I'm coming, let's go. So we're gonna pull up at
Speaker 1: the gym with kels kel see me this time. Hey tanke,
Speaker 1: how you doing. Man, Good to see you. I said,
Speaker 1: that's my manager. Jay Valenceine said, your manager. He looked
Speaker 1: like you goddamn son. I said, yeah, he's aging and black.
Speaker 1: You know they on age. You know what I'm saying. Like, So,
Speaker 1: we starts to playing right and I'm telling j I'm like,
Speaker 1: j be cool. You look at him. You don't think
Speaker 1: he getting ready to do what he get ready to do. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. I don't know where this is gone.
Speaker 1: I'm going. We're sitting there. We played refused. Kelly win
Speaker 1: was the first game and he starts talking cash Ship
Speaker 1: told you whole asked niggas from l A like y'all
Speaker 1: like that. This shottown nigga, this shottown you. You niggas
Speaker 1: ain't Oh, He's calling us everything out of the book.
Speaker 1: Jake walks over to me and says, I'm not losing
Speaker 1: the next game. Shit, come down the court, next very
Speaker 1: first player. The next game, Jake got the ball. Three, Chuck,
Speaker 1: come down the very next place, spending in the circle. Three,
Speaker 1: Come down the next place to the hold the funk up.
Speaker 1: Who got the pretty nigger? What do you mean you
Speaker 1: get the funk out, you get the fun in? He's
Speaker 1: so we won that game. I said, Jay, are you
Speaker 1: good now? He said, I'm good. We'll lose the rest
Speaker 1: and we lost the rest of the games for the
Speaker 1: sake of are killing It looked like he still ain't
Speaker 1: agree with you. He's still he's still he got a career.
Speaker 1: But you know, but you know, those were good moments
Speaker 1: like for me because it's like I got to be
Speaker 1: around you know, that guy who I thought musically was,
Speaker 1: you know, the greatest of all times. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying in spite of you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot connected to it that you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have to unpack. We get. But that's why
Speaker 1: that's why I bring up the Bill Cosby thing is
Speaker 1: because and I think you asked me earlier that I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to answer it, um saying, how do
Speaker 1: you feel when I still see the Cosby Show? Cosby
Speaker 1: Show is still one of the greatest. It's still a
Speaker 1: cosmic show, and it made me feel ill like that
Speaker 1: I could see a positive black family on there. So
Speaker 1: I don't think it takes away from that. So if
Speaker 1: you still love R. Kelly's music, that's but it's just
Speaker 1: the thing is the music what it depicts, and then
Speaker 1: knowing what the charges, not even what the music depend
Speaker 1: it's more so with the music enabled the power of
Speaker 1: the music and the power period, right, but the sexual
Speaker 1: content thinking that you're talking to a woman or whatever.
Speaker 1: Then knowing now, that's probably where people have problems, you know,
Speaker 1: connecting know that think it's great, but then have a
Speaker 1: hard time. But at the time, while I was being
Speaker 1: inspired by it, I'm a kid. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but people will see that and say, you know the
Speaker 1: headline O tank was inspired by R. Kelly and not
Speaker 1: put it in and not put it in proper context.
Speaker 1: Every R and B singer you ever run into from now,
Speaker 1: from then to now on, we'll tell you he's the guy.
Speaker 1: You can't deny our Kelly. How many rappers careers if
Speaker 1: they didn't have R Kelly on the home the hook?
Speaker 1: You gotta like, you gotta give, you gotta give, you
Speaker 1: gotta give that, yeah, if you don't give nothing else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I broke up the Cosby Show because the
Speaker 1: Cosby Show is just it was it was it was
Speaker 1: everything we needed. It was funny about the Cosby Show.
Speaker 1: Sorry to change such a a little bit, but you
Speaker 1: notice no one from the Cosby Show is dis in Bil,
Speaker 1: not one of them. It's one character that was Denise's
Speaker 1: old boyfriend, that's it. But none of them are this
Speaker 1: and Bill. Well, because you have to look at it
Speaker 1: like this, right, and let's say, let's say there is
Speaker 1: a monster that is Bill Cosby. Let's just say it hypothetically.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they never got to see him. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you they never met him. Only only person they
Speaker 1: met was was a man that changed their lives for
Speaker 1: the better. Right, they gave them an opportunity to probably
Speaker 1: so somebody else wouldn't. Nobody else would. That's what they see,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So how do you? How
Speaker 1: do you? How do you say something against that? If anything,
Speaker 1: you can't say nothing at all to be in support
Speaker 1: or or nothing. I don't know who you guys know,
Speaker 1: who you guys see, or who you guys have met,
Speaker 1: but the man that I met changed my life for
Speaker 1: the better. I wouldn't be the So I am the
Speaker 1: woman of the man that I am without that man, right, Look,
Speaker 1: come says Shaquillo now jokingly look says that it's not
Speaker 1: really blind. Get joking, sad, Just Stevie one is not
Speaker 1: really blind the elevator saying, what's up? I just told
Speaker 1: you he's blind, but he can see some ship. I
Speaker 1: love that. By the way, we got one more question
Speaker 1: to Okay, sorry, I thought it was just not go
Speaker 1: on that tangent? Was that me? That's my phone, that's all.
Speaker 1: We didn't do. No, we didn't do the that's that's
Speaker 1: our phone. Actually, okay. Oh TLC or s w V.
Speaker 1: I love that. No, no, no, no, no no, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just cooling my drink off. I'm just have
Speaker 1: one ready. I'm going with I'm just cooling my drink. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's cool and cute a drinker. That's w V. That's
Speaker 1: w V over T easy cocoa. We need s w
Speaker 1: B and and well Jack Jack said he could get
Speaker 1: a jack through. That's right, that's rights Coco single. And
Speaker 1: then my girls too. I just did a show with
Speaker 1: them not too longer. Love love them, love them. Last question,
Speaker 1: all right, loyalty or respect. It's a great question. It's
Speaker 1: a great question. I'm gonna go with, just take a shot. Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm anna with respect. Okay, we definitely need an explanation
Speaker 1: for this. Respect Why because because loyalty has so many
Speaker 1: levels to it. There's so many levels to it in
Speaker 1: terms of what you require from something or someone in
Speaker 1: order for it to feel like loyalty. It just it
Speaker 1: just varies so much. But as long as I have
Speaker 1: your respect, as long as you understand that I am
Speaker 1: who I am and I do what I do, and
Speaker 1: you can acknowledge that, I can live with that, as
Speaker 1: long as you can say, you know what, whether you
Speaker 1: whether you stay with me or not in terms whether
Speaker 1: it's business or a person or whatever it is, as
Speaker 1: long as you can announce acknowledge that motherfucker did right
Speaker 1: about me. He is what he is, he is everything
Speaker 1: he says he is. But I can live with it. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot to that though. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, even though because because you know why, we
Speaker 1: me and we solo. I'm gonna get over there. I
Speaker 1: think so. And we always say both, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: always say both to it because well that's the answer.
Speaker 1: When it was answered that way, we all it made
Speaker 1: the most sense to us, right. I mean, I'm still
Speaker 1: I'm still with both. I'm still with both because I
Speaker 1: think loyal with loyalty comes respect. I think respect comes loyalty.
Speaker 1: They're not handed in the same sense. Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 1: at some point we have to consider self preservation, right,
Speaker 1: and so as we consider self preservation, we have to
Speaker 1: consider that for the other person, and sometimes within the
Speaker 1: interests of self preservation, you are now not the priority.
Speaker 1: M Like, I love you, but in the interests of
Speaker 1: self preservation, I can't pick you right, and so the
Speaker 1: respect takes over when you're able to come to me
Speaker 1: and articulate that I respect you. So let's let me
Speaker 1: have this conversation with you. Whether it be a tough
Speaker 1: conversation or not, it's when there there's no respect involved
Speaker 1: where that disloyal situations can be wrong by both. You
Speaker 1: can't but respect. If you don't want to wrong with
Speaker 1: me no more after everything I've done, at least come
Speaker 1: and tell me. Don't let me find out on the streets.
Speaker 1: Have that kind of respect for me. That's that's why
Speaker 1: I could respect. I think the reason why we would
Speaker 1: say both is because we feel when you have both,
Speaker 1: there's better chances in heah, it'll be a better situation
Speaker 1: when there's just one there, there's more opportunity can tell
Speaker 1: you it's it's it's hard to get both after it's
Speaker 1: hard to get even when you think it's usually not
Speaker 1: the both are this moment circles this moment. I can
Speaker 1: count those people on one and a half hands. Right,
Speaker 1: let's make some noise for that. Good questions? What era
Speaker 1: of R and B do you think has is the
Speaker 1: most impactful? Nineties? And that what google should we talking
Speaker 1: about in the nineties boys men to see even before
Speaker 1: the going back to Kelly sixties and seven, Juine, Drew Hill,
Speaker 1: uh Jacket, Edge one twelve, Danielle Jones, Monica Brandy And
Speaker 1: why do you think that's the most impactful. Why do
Speaker 1: you think those groups? What did they do that you
Speaker 1: feel most impactful. I'll be selfish first and say they
Speaker 1: made me. I'll start there, um and that was my era,
Speaker 1: That's the ere I lived in. That's the era where
Speaker 1: I put on some into pocket guest jings in the
Speaker 1: party shirt and and went to some young ladies house
Speaker 1: who was having the basement party. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And we gotta try and put the lights off, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying finger popping. Absolutely, what do you
Speaker 1: mean not so lovely? Just get a little bit on
Speaker 1: that figured Okay, pack my hands out. This is straight banker,
Speaker 1: I'm big. That's my era, like where they were the
Speaker 1: last even when you know the up tempos were ruling
Speaker 1: through in the world the last hour, hour and a
Speaker 1: half of whatever function you was at. Slow jams, you
Speaker 1: got to you got to really dig in and grab
Speaker 1: them cheeks and side to side. Man, what you're doing
Speaker 1: like they're like, I've been feeling you all know, I've
Speaker 1: been looking at you. I've been looking at you, looking
Speaker 1: at me, look at you, look at me, like me,
Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Closing one of the fights
Speaker 1: at the club after that, I always I was always
Speaker 1: jealous of your RB niggas. Because of that. You should
Speaker 1: have been like, like, my ship is ending with we
Speaker 1: all then we barty and I'm doing the best performance
Speaker 1: that with someone want to stab some nigga, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate this ship. I go to R because these
Speaker 1: things gotta fights. You you're so fu No no no, no,
Speaker 1: not mean that's Music's tell what you did getting a
Speaker 1: man been stabbed? Because if you're walk through to man,
Speaker 1: you know what I was. I was to jealous. I
Speaker 1: went to a Mic Apps concert, yeah, and I just answer,
Speaker 1: just wanted to see how this ship feel, and it
Speaker 1: was all positive energy. I was like, yeah, do you
Speaker 1: know how y'all blessed? Like hip hop? We hip hop.
Speaker 1: You gotta be on point because you just feel like
Speaker 1: someone else is just gonna test you or try you.
Speaker 1: But when I go to R and B, or I
Speaker 1: go to a comedian concert and I just sit there
Speaker 1: and there's no valid very jealous. Validation is different. Your
Speaker 1: validation is a rap sheet that's just suck up. That's
Speaker 1: funny because it's true. It's funny. That's your validation. You
Speaker 1: have to have attempted murder, being the murder can serve
Speaker 1: the drug and shot they want you to get at.
Speaker 1: He's grazy, show me the wound. Yeah, it's a survival music.
Speaker 1: It's still yeah. My validation. Let's my validation is a
Speaker 1: woman screaming out loud. But there could be dangerous too,
Speaker 1: like hey, got wed let me just let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. When I did regg E thron for the
Speaker 1: year and a half two years i did, I was
Speaker 1: probably the most happiest I've ever been at the music
Speaker 1: because I would party and in Orlando you said on
Speaker 1: Lando earlier, Land was one of mym and we were
Speaker 1: party and party afterwards. I wasn't used to that. I
Speaker 1: was used to party and then the party closes, something's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and I could sit there and I
Speaker 1: could just damn and I was just I was like
Speaker 1: the happiest guy. I should have been a vegan at
Speaker 1: the time, because I was just happy because because you
Speaker 1: knew to be happy and like I was just said,
Speaker 1: and I was like when I realized, then I went
Speaker 1: back to hip hop and I had to get back
Speaker 1: used to violence like that was just you have no
Speaker 1: front ship, wasn't done a drink. I'm a be honest.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. Nine nine shows and a hundred
Speaker 1: shows of reggae through I swear to god, probably ninety
Speaker 1: nine of them. Nothing nothing ever happened. Nothing, nothing never happened,
Speaker 1: I swear to god. It's nothing to say. That's why
Speaker 1: I said ninety nine. I never said that. Was that
Speaker 1: one of them that who was that and got crazy?
Speaker 1: It's probably because when she makes nothing, y'all, yeah, it happens.
Speaker 1: Probably crowd. I don't even do that. Inspires you to
Speaker 1: show what you made, though, But that's fuck does sheet music?
Speaker 1: That's you know, say I got a rap sheet as
Speaker 1: it in today's time, because nobody's really checking them all,
Speaker 1: not all MC's not all rappers. It's fabricated. Not all
Speaker 1: of them are rhyming about that, that's true. I mean
Speaker 1: most star nine D sound that's a percentage. Look at
Speaker 1: the charts. No charge. If you're talking about charges, that
Speaker 1: what's the I mean? But but but that's how we're
Speaker 1: identified rights a lot of things that if they want
Speaker 1: to know the best about, that's where they look. They
Speaker 1: looking mainstream culture, right, and what is maxstream culture? It's violence,
Speaker 1: just drug dealing, is drug selling us? That's what That's
Speaker 1: what they that's what they perceived the best. Why why
Speaker 1: is that the best of us? Why? Like Sam Smith
Speaker 1: gets to sing a great song about stay with Me
Speaker 1: that goes straight to power rotation on the mainstream radio station.
Speaker 1: If I sing that same song stay with Me, limited bandwidth.
Speaker 1: Because our violence isn't the threat our love it Yeah,
Speaker 1: our family separated, it's fine, it's perfect. The man staying
Speaker 1: with his family and raising his kids and pouring into
Speaker 1: his woman, that's a threat. You're about to be a preacher.
Speaker 1: And that's what R and B stands for. And that's
Speaker 1: why R and B takes such a back seat, because
Speaker 1: we're not promoting the aesthetic that continues to perpetuate the stereotype.
Speaker 1: You guys are killers, you guys are animals, You guys
Speaker 1: are savages. That's when you're at your best. So that's
Speaker 1: what we're going to reward. Those are the guys who
Speaker 1: get the hundred million dollar deals. Those are the guys
Speaker 1: who fill up the arenas and stadiums to talk that ship.
Speaker 1: We love when you talk that ship love, We're cool.
Speaker 1: We're cool. I love love you do. Wasn't love and
Speaker 1: love popular? We don't control, we don't own conglomerates. It
Speaker 1: comes down to ownership. Yeah, we don't own radio, we
Speaker 1: don't own streaming, we don't own media, we don't own
Speaker 1: none of it. But we own our feelings. And it's
Speaker 1: very seldom that people promote love and love, love and
Speaker 1: being in love well, because what happens now is that
Speaker 1: with with social media and all these other things, you
Speaker 1: get hypnotized by an algorithm, so and everybody wants to
Speaker 1: be popping right. So in the idea of wanting to
Speaker 1: be popping, You're gonna roll with what's popping. Nobody's they're
Speaker 1: not leaders anymore. The followers like what happened in the
Speaker 1: oscars that that became immediately everybody had to post that
Speaker 1: had they want they wanted to be so bad. It's
Speaker 1: the algorithm. I'm sorry, you have a business. I got
Speaker 1: you didn't, I mean whatever. I'm just saying last night immediately,
Speaker 1: not a second past. And that means they put everybody
Speaker 1: bom bom bom. And I'm like, wow, we live in
Speaker 1: a mean beef in that algorithm, right, And so the
Speaker 1: algorithm is is drugs, abuse of any kind, ratchet killing.
Speaker 1: It's all like it's a I'm victim of it. I'm
Speaker 1: a world star. Like I'm just looking. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing that the headline you doing something take yeah,
Speaker 1: accidentally accidentally shoots her friend in the in the head.
Speaker 1: I'm like saw that. I'm like and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have to click that. I have to see what that is.
Speaker 1: So that's where we are in society, especially ours over
Speaker 1: my man Danny people. Yeah, yeah, so we could we
Speaker 1: could post some cool love shot. All you can say tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm in love my life. I say all the time,
Speaker 1: I'm married, but nothing's gonna get married to Nothering's gonna
Speaker 1: go more viral out here, smack of a mask. If
Speaker 1: you say, you know what, I'm gonna be honest with y'all.
Speaker 1: I got I got two bodies in Denver. H don't
Speaker 1: I won't saying that nothing would be more fun to
Speaker 1: hell with your love. Yeah, with your love, your brown love,
Speaker 1: about your brown legs. We care about your brown savagery.
Speaker 1: Show us the savage. That's when you're at your best.
Speaker 1: I always go back to, like I think about, think
Speaker 1: about Denzel. You what he said told Will? He said,
Speaker 1: the Devil's gonna come at you when you're at your high.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course it's gonna be Would imagine didn't
Speaker 1: Tel winning an oscar for training day and not winning
Speaker 1: for Malcolm X. It's the world we're living. Yeah? Did
Speaker 1: he did he work? Did he work? One of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies of Denzel Remember the Titans football? Absolutely, you
Speaker 1: will remember the night you played the Titans. Whether you
Speaker 1: win or lose, you don't remember this night. I used that.
Speaker 1: I used that to do you remember like the saw
Speaker 1: to night you saw Tank? Yeah? You gave me when
Speaker 1: you get lucky enough what you're doing right. But but imagine,
Speaker 1: imagine winning for being a crooked cop, being a nigger
Speaker 1: at its finest. But let's just be clear, Tank and
Speaker 1: all honesty. He killed, that's not going to lie to you.
Speaker 1: He did, but didn't kill everything that everything he didn't.
Speaker 1: But I don't sell it for that or not anything else,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna be honest. I think that
Speaker 1: they slept on Malcolm X and they didn't. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to give that power black image. We're not giving
Speaker 1: power to black. I respect that power. What it is
Speaker 1: you're going to win in the space we think you
Speaker 1: should win in where we think you're at your best.
Speaker 1: This is where you live for us. Now we will
Speaker 1: reward you how that works. I'm about to say, take
Speaker 1: a shot, but I don't think she'd take a shot
Speaker 1: for that. Probably not, but maybe not just as real.
Speaker 1: It's real, And I'm not listening as much as as
Speaker 1: much as the Will you know smacking, you know, smack
Speaker 1: and Chris is a thing. I'm not gonna let that
Speaker 1: overshadow the fact that Will got his oscar. He did
Speaker 1: you see the movie? Actually Smith wanted for absolutely. I
Speaker 1: was obviously with the movie what's that? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Because and I think I think it probably was a
Speaker 1: licensing issue because I felt like we never got to
Speaker 1: see Venus and Serena do everything that they did, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's for another movie. Yeah, you know, but I
Speaker 1: was I was waiting about Tupac. I was I was
Speaker 1: waiting to go into all the grands. I was waiting
Speaker 1: to go there because I watched all of it, and
Speaker 1: that's all. That's only when I was mad at I
Speaker 1: got to where it didn't go there. I got where
Speaker 1: I probably didn't. There's some probably some Venus and Serena
Speaker 1: was like, now that that's ours, this story, his story.
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like. I felt like it was
Speaker 1: his story with them in it. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: see that. So was it? What was his name? Was
Speaker 1: the name of it? You can't watch that and not
Speaker 1: be like, I gotta be a better parent or create
Speaker 1: a better structure all the time. Can we take a
Speaker 1: shot to came rich? Figure? I say this all the time.
Speaker 1: I said the other day in Queen's Bridge, I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: the first time I actually thought I saw like over extended,
Speaker 1: extended the amount of love was watching wrong our tests
Speaker 1: as father t and they I mean, you know when
Speaker 1: New York sit. So I'm from left Frac City, but
Speaker 1: I used to go to Queensbridge and go visit my
Speaker 1: friends and it was too cold for us to even
Speaker 1: stand outside. And I would see Ron Artests and his
Speaker 1: father and he'll be throwing the ball like staring his
Speaker 1: chest and this is snowing, he's slipping, he's picking them up,
Speaker 1: and at first my first thought was this is child abuse.
Speaker 1: But first of all, excuse me. It was so bad.
Speaker 1: At first, I didn't even know that was his father,
Speaker 1: I thought because because I didn't think that was they
Speaker 1: were brothers. And then I realized, I said, yo, the same.
Speaker 1: They go at it all the time, these brothers, and
Speaker 1: they're like, nah, that's Ron's father. So he would be
Speaker 1: out there in the snow, like I know for a
Speaker 1: fact one million per cent Ron Artest is one million
Speaker 1: percent in NBA because of his father. I got to
Speaker 1: see this ship with myself. I'm talking about in the snow.
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting there's it's too cold for me to
Speaker 1: smell cracker because I'm out there like that, and these
Speaker 1: nickers is out there. That's that was my job. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That was sun cry. So I'm still handsome, Freezing. You
Speaker 1: need to go back, and you need to go back
Speaker 1: and cook Freezing. And I'm seeing him throwing the ball
Speaker 1: at him, and then they told him that's his father
Speaker 1: and I was like, so there was no When I
Speaker 1: went on to you know, become, it was like, damn,
Speaker 1: Like that was the strongest father figure I've ever seen me.
Speaker 1: And it was so strong that I actually like, WHOA.
Speaker 1: I didn't even accept it. I was like that that
Speaker 1: was wrong. And then went to the NBA. I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew that ship bro. I felt then it Listen.
Speaker 1: They talked about Joe Jackson like that was wrong, right,
Speaker 1: They talked about Matthew Knowles like that was wrong. But
Speaker 1: guess what came out of that Richard like he was
Speaker 1: like he was crazy, he was doing too much. Yeah, relax, yes, relaxed. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna relax. She told you she was gonna
Speaker 1: within it. She told you was confident. She told you
Speaker 1: why I stopped nothing with that, And look what you made.
Speaker 1: You're gonna beat somebody. Ye if I got something to
Speaker 1: do with it, You're gonna beat somebody. M you reward
Speaker 1: that all right, King Richard, King Richard, I don't want
Speaker 1: some of this Japanese del y'all. I'm gona take another shot, Jane.
Speaker 1: I feel like you said, I'm doing the real del all.
Speaker 1: Let me yes, yes, yes, I'm doing the deal. After this,
Speaker 1: this is a rocket deli again. After that, it's something
Speaker 1: sexy to represent this print. Let me ask you something, please,
Speaker 1: I've seen you in this industry. We've been both in
Speaker 1: this industry a long time. You've always smiling, you always
Speaker 1: in a good mood. Is that a front? Or is
Speaker 1: that really like you? Really love life like that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna say yes, I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna say yes. I guess what my mother acts is.
Speaker 1: I felt out of love with this music business, not
Speaker 1: with the music, the music badness. Have you ever felt
Speaker 1: out of love with the music business? Fell out of
Speaker 1: love with the music business? You ever in love with
Speaker 1: the music business? Oh? I have the business of it.
Speaker 1: I was in love with all of it from I
Speaker 1: signed the out on. But still I'm still in love
Speaker 1: with it anyway, still in love with the music business.
Speaker 1: I was still in love with it. I gotta get
Speaker 1: in there, and I got in and I was in
Speaker 1: love and in two thousand two I had fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in my account and the man owed me seven
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. This man is and he wouldn't give it
Speaker 1: to me. You have hundred. He owes you seven. This
Speaker 1: calculation is crazy. Had a wife and a kid. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: give it to me. I knew he owed me, wouldn't
Speaker 1: give it to me. I tried to. I tried to hurt,
Speaker 1: said man, I'm not a gangster, not affiliated. I know people,
Speaker 1: but I'm a soldier. So for mine, I'm a ride
Speaker 1: or die for mine. And I adopted that. I tried
Speaker 1: that right, which set me on the bench for and
Speaker 1: said man did pay. Said men paid a little. L
Speaker 1: A Reid said man paid a little. Why I needed it? No,
Speaker 1: went from seven hundred thousand to a hundred. Yeah needed it.
Speaker 1: H needed it. Caught me slipping fun this music business.
Speaker 1: That's that's my point. Like this music buss. The more
Speaker 1: I learned about the business, and I'm watching I'm first off,
Speaker 1: I'm watching the promo guy. I'm watching myself do fifty
Speaker 1: promo shows and I'm watching the promo go to the
Speaker 1: back room and grab cash, and you're doing it for
Speaker 1: free back this wait funck this up funk this fun
Speaker 1: this music game. Yeah, I'm at a house on Ved
Speaker 1: all day one day, walk into a club one day.
Speaker 1: Let me let me me go back. I walk into
Speaker 1: a club one day and somebody screams, take look over,
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox. I walk over Jamie Fox and my hey
Speaker 1: man was like, he said, man, I've been looking for you, nigga.
Speaker 1: You look calls nigga. We gotta talk at this time.
Speaker 1: I'm having these feelings. Fuck the music business. I go
Speaker 1: back to the d m V. I'll be the minister
Speaker 1: music at somebody's church. Finished my calling to be a preacher.
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I'm standing in Jamie Foxx's kitchen with
Speaker 1: him and his sister Dietro, and he's like, so, what's
Speaker 1: the man, what we're doing? Like, what's going on? Said,
Speaker 1: I ain't doing nothing. I'm about to go home. I'm
Speaker 1: about to go the church thing, move back into my
Speaker 1: mom's house until I can figure my own place out.
Speaker 1: He's like, you got the records out, okay record He like,
Speaker 1: You're like, you can't go home. It's the funk. I can't.
Speaker 1: He said, no, you can't. He said, what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: That's what you mean? He said, Who's gonna inspire me?
Speaker 1: I'll look to you. He just said, ain't know where
Speaker 1: you're going home, Niger at the do you dream playing?
Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere naked. We're gonna fight this, We're
Speaker 1: gonna ride this ship out, Nick, And I'm like, well
Speaker 1: what at this time, I'm kind of homeless. He's like,
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? He said, this is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna use my studio and you're gonna
Speaker 1: live in my house until you figure at the funk out. Wow.
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox, real nigger like that? Wow? That I would
Speaker 1: love to Jamie Fox and Brian and Brian too. So
Speaker 1: if Jennie Fox doesn't say that there's no tank, there's
Speaker 1: there is no sex, love in pain? What wrong you
Speaker 1: there to say that? She was about to quick? What? What?
Speaker 1: What was? What was that moment? I saw people who
Speaker 1: weren't as good as me making it right? So the
Speaker 1: niggas ain't like me. It ain't as good as me,
Speaker 1: And you're not a hate. It's not a hater, but
Speaker 1: I compete for a living. Nigga ain't nice like me?
Speaker 1: But there at the top of the charge. Look at
Speaker 1: them niggas, I kill him niggas every not on stage
Speaker 1: don't want to work like I'm a hundred percenter Like
Speaker 1: most people don't know what that is. Two. I produce it,
Speaker 1: write it, sing it, perform it by myself. You know,
Speaker 1: they changed they changed publishing rules for two people because
Speaker 1: of R Kelly, because the Tank. Oh, we can't have
Speaker 1: you placing ten songs on one album. We have to
Speaker 1: create thresholds, we have to create benchmarks. So at two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand records, three songs count. At five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand records, three and a half songs count. At
Speaker 1: a million, all the songs count, but not unto then
Speaker 1: for you and Rob, because I was running through them.
Speaker 1: Give me my back end, now give me my front an.
Speaker 1: I got eight on this one hunt a per center? Right,
Speaker 1: but you do you let people right? Right? Okay? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Why does that so accepted an R and B world?
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's not. I think rapping is
Speaker 1: like here. First of all, I used to wrap. Everybody
Speaker 1: hates when I go into my MC hurricane upping a little.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna going to my m C Hurricane days that
Speaker 1: means you still wrap. Let's go. I'll start it off.
Speaker 1: It's a wrapper. I'm not gonna do it. I do it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell your freestyle fas, that's not what I want
Speaker 1: to go back. Just stop what I want to go back.
Speaker 1: You have the berct name for this city, Hurricane, But
Speaker 1: I can tell you I don't want to hate your
Speaker 1: I'm already I was Hurricane. Used to when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, I would go around the hood rapping against
Speaker 1: the you know, vice lords and the g d s,
Speaker 1: and I would I would. I would in d C
Speaker 1: No in mil Walk, Wisconsin, right war in Milwaukee, Klwaukee, Wisconsin. Yeah, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: So I used to go around the hood in battle
Speaker 1: real gangsters with my wraps. I a rap called Rated
Speaker 1: R that used to kill everything. How did rad a go?
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it with just you. Just just freestyles
Speaker 1: horribly on the drake. Spell it will be so you
Speaker 1: know where were we going? We was used about the
Speaker 1: freestyle Hark was coming. I'm a rapper first, then I'm
Speaker 1: a R and B saying that is crazy. Most people
Speaker 1: don't know that. But I'm not telling everybody. Okay, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna tell you. I'm not freestyling. Let's never let's
Speaker 1: get out of this, Let's go to the next let's
Speaker 1: go to the ness. Okay, why did you call it
Speaker 1: maybe I deserve, because, by the way, for years, I
Speaker 1: call it baby, I deserve. I was fucked up today
Speaker 1: when I realized it's baby, I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking this sh it wrong for years because because
Speaker 1: you were living in the affirmative, I think you're picking
Speaker 1: me up. I'm not sure, but I think you're me up,
Speaker 1: just taking Yeah, I'm just taking that's big up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think it's having fun. It's your fun's
Speaker 1: interview you have. Let's go read wrong as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take me another show. I'm just gonna get
Speaker 1: me ready. Okay, you're living in the affirmative, right, which
Speaker 1: means you're sure that things, these things should happen, And
Speaker 1: I was living in the speculative space, where isn't maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you should do that. I wouldn't advise it, but
Speaker 1: if so, maybe if it did happen in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, I could accept it because of all
Speaker 1: the things that I've done. Maybe leaves a lot of
Speaker 1: room right for for men. We need room. We need
Speaker 1: room to change our minds. We need room to be assholes.
Speaker 1: We need room. So when she does it and she says, well,
Speaker 1: you said that, do you deserve saying maybe maybe get
Speaker 1: your ass out of here? Because I hadn't decided definitively
Speaker 1: if I was okay with that, I have thought about it.
Speaker 1: Hence them Maybe this nick is getting deep. I write
Speaker 1: songs for a living. Maybe it's a hell of a word.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you permission. I'm just saying there's a
Speaker 1: chance I might forgive you and excuses now in real life,
Speaker 1: because in a song, you're saying that you deserve she
Speaker 1: getting you back. Correct to wonder who's calling so damn
Speaker 1: late for you to say I'm tripping just to hold
Speaker 1: me from upstate? Don't he know it's one o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning. You say it's cool. Maybe it's cool. Maybe
Speaker 1: I deserve for you to say he's coming into town,
Speaker 1: for you to say that he wants you and him
Speaker 1: to hang out. I don't like it, but I know
Speaker 1: I gotta trust you. It ain't cool, but I know
Speaker 1: it's true. Maybe I'll deserve for you to go out
Speaker 1: and find some other guy. Maybe I'll deserve for you
Speaker 1: to stay out with him all night. Maybe I deserve
Speaker 1: for you to do all the things I did to you.
Speaker 1: Maybe I deserve maybe for you to put on that
Speaker 1: sexy dress, for me to ask you, who the hell
Speaker 1: are you trying to impress? Bitch, for you to laugh
Speaker 1: at all like that. I'm just splitting on some cool shit.
Speaker 1: What did you deserve? For me to ask you where
Speaker 1: the funk you've been? For you to say, I'd better
Speaker 1: stop tripping to grab your neck until you let me know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the part that flew way under the radar, so
Speaker 1: happy under the You don't run crying, crying out the
Speaker 1: door to grab my coat and chase you down the street,
Speaker 1: to say it's not you, it's my own securities. For
Speaker 1: you to say, yes, I cheat on you, For me
Speaker 1: to say I don't care after all I put you through,
Speaker 1: Maybe I deserve well, was listening to this song. I
Speaker 1: couldn't help it. I can't have said that we're gonna
Speaker 1: suck me up. You've got the reach of the side
Speaker 1: that and that's maybe maybe you did you deserve it. Maybe,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, I've accepted my faith in a
Speaker 1: few situations. Let me ask you, because like, when I'm
Speaker 1: listening to your songs, I couldn't. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: listening like this, I've been through some ship, everything is
Speaker 1: you're going through it, been through it, been through it,
Speaker 1: and once maybe I deserve worked. It led me to
Speaker 1: believe that everything about my real life will will work
Speaker 1: from this point on. So I never wrote from fantasy
Speaker 1: or fallacy. I always wrote from fact. And you worked
Speaker 1: with Beyonce too, right, No, I worked with Kelly Okay
Speaker 1: fire and working with Kelly Rowland, she's dope. You have
Speaker 1: no idea. I had no idea, she says, a great
Speaker 1: person though she's done. It's one of the best of us. Her,
Speaker 1: one of the best of us. Him too, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: both of them as are just amazing people. I work
Speaker 1: with Kelly Rowland, and I was completely throwing the funk
Speaker 1: off because well, we always know, we always want to
Speaker 1: give the credit to Beyonce. Who is Beyonce? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: greatest of all times? Right? We always want to notice
Speaker 1: what you said about bust the rhymes. You said busting
Speaker 1: rhymes and swift Star on stage. That's what you just said,
Speaker 1: bust the rhymes, bust the rhymes is that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm like. Yes, Kelly Roland is by far one of
Speaker 1: the most talented females I've ever worked with in my life,
Speaker 1: by far. And I'm sitting in the studio like, hear
Speaker 1: these harmonies? You hear? Do you hear her? Do you
Speaker 1: hear the text? Do you hear her? Her change? And
Speaker 1: do you hear are hearing this? I never knew because
Speaker 1: I gave all the credit to Beyonce. That's how the
Speaker 1: business of Destiny's Child was set up to a door Beyonce.
Speaker 1: And then I finally got in the ring with Kelly
Speaker 1: Rowland and realized that while while Beyonce is in the booth,
Speaker 1: there's a Kelly Rowland saying, oh try this. Oh, and
Speaker 1: this notice is crazy. Oh, and there's and we never knew.
Speaker 1: She's amazing fire And I thank her to this thing
Speaker 1: for those two records. God damn make some looks for
Speaker 1: that I keep. I'm keeping the real tank. I just
Speaker 1: gotta shop. Yeah, I ain't a lot. You're a real drinker, though,
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Yeah? I don't know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do for the rest of the day. But by the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, sol i've seen you. Let me just
Speaker 1: tell you how real Tank is. Maybe you'll hang out
Speaker 1: for maybe I'm to take it l A. It wasn't
Speaker 1: on the flight. No, it's in front. What I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say because I love this hotel and I don't
Speaker 1: want to blow it up because I'm gonna be there,
Speaker 1: so you're not going back. You blow it up. So
Speaker 1: I see him, I'm like, yo, super down the Earth
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna tank. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know what you're I gotta show God dream jamps And
Speaker 1: he's like, of course I know, asshole, Why would you
Speaker 1: say that. I was like, think what you're doing? He
Speaker 1: said absolutely, And you kept your word from that minute
Speaker 1: on you said no, but listen to hear me out.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful when when when I see people keep
Speaker 1: their word everything, but because you know what's crazy. I'm
Speaker 1: so used to the fakeness, too used to words and
Speaker 1: just seeing me and saying, hey, they just say what
Speaker 1: they say. Because so when I meet a word one,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta salute you like I gotta salute
Speaker 1: you because you said, what motherfucker, I pull up on you.
Speaker 1: I'll come right with Miami, no problem, and everything you
Speaker 1: said you've done. I'm a victim of people not keeping
Speaker 1: their word. Me too, so I know how it's you know, yes,
Speaker 1: that's okay, and I never want anybody to feel that
Speaker 1: way about me. I've fallen short. I'm not perfect. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'll miss some deadlines. Absolutely, But if you ever see
Speaker 1: me and say, like I called you, you were supposed
Speaker 1: to say my apologies, I got you different, right, I'll
Speaker 1: take care of that. That's where I like to live.
Speaker 1: So when you say, first of all you say Drake Champs,
Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think you know what? Then
Speaker 1: that means first of all, what do brother? By the way,
Speaker 1: let's just tell you something day, I'm gonna let you talk. Okay,
Speaker 1: where in this prestige this hotel? And I say you
Speaker 1: know his hand? And the god comes walking out with
Speaker 1: a moving box full of weed. It says, would you
Speaker 1: like some of this? Where in the funk do you
Speaker 1: think I'm already putting hand full of weeds? Would you
Speaker 1: like something? Why do you have? Where are the bags
Speaker 1: I put this? I'm gonna take you allgine you got
Speaker 1: you got cheat you with respect, No, I respect. I'm
Speaker 1: just concerned that was so much of weed I've never
Speaker 1: seen that much of weed in the box, and you
Speaker 1: were gracious me. I don't smoke. I drink a little. Yes,
Speaker 1: we take no But I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. You have one of the
Speaker 1: best souls I've ever seen. Like I promise you. You
Speaker 1: know you said you came out since ninety eight. You
Speaker 1: know we've seen each other. We've always showed each other respect,
Speaker 1: you know, but I've never kind of saw you mad.
Speaker 1: I know you get mad, don't get it twisted. But
Speaker 1: other than you and tires, that's the only one who
Speaker 1: gets you mad. I was no. I wasn't mad when
Speaker 1: when you know, when a guy was holding seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand Okay, so that's where I but that wasn't public.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where I went. You know, I went different,
Speaker 1: and I turned into a guy that I didn't I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been, and I and I and I I
Speaker 1: suffered because of that. I set from two thousand two
Speaker 1: to two thousand seven, because you know, I told a
Speaker 1: guy listened before before any of those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get to your house to protect you. I'll get
Speaker 1: there before them. Now, let's work. I've been in that place.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I really loved this ship,
Speaker 1: nor you really love the music. I really love making music. Listen,
Speaker 1: I was doing this for a hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 1: a week. I was doing it for a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars a week, and I was happy. I got
Speaker 1: close to six figures a show. Are you kidding me
Speaker 1: to sing? Yes, sir, having the time of my life?
Speaker 1: I'm having the time of my What you need? No? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: keep going. You keep blowing that smoke. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening to me. I don't smoke. Well, you didn't
Speaker 1: take smoking. I genuinely, I genuinely enjoy R and B
Speaker 1: music and everybody doing it. I genuinely even Young Blue
Speaker 1: new guy. What's he saying again? What the song would
Speaker 1: right if I ever time? Is because we had a
Speaker 1: we had a thing online. What happened I forgot okay,
Speaker 1: I only google the positive part of you. I didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate you for that, I thought, But you got to it,
Speaker 1: says A guy says, I think that Young Blue might
Speaker 1: be the new king of R and by well, one
Speaker 1: record to okay, my back, and I said, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad I was born in a different generation, because this
Speaker 1: generation is wild in terms of how they throw out calculates.
Speaker 1: King and Queen got go Not any disrespect to him,
Speaker 1: no disrespect for him at all at all. But do
Speaker 1: you know what goat? And what do you know? What?
Speaker 1: Do you know what that means? You know what it
Speaker 1: means to have a guy like jay Z, have a
Speaker 1: guy like nas Drake, to have a guy, to have people,
Speaker 1: to have a Chris Brown, r Kelly, to have these
Speaker 1: guys who have to have guys who have had another name.
Speaker 1: To that that, I have to add baby Face. You've
Speaker 1: been skipping baby Face all night. Let me not baby Face,
Speaker 1: because he's the guy who I really want to be
Speaker 1: Slash Keith Sweat. We'll get to all of that. I
Speaker 1: don't think baby Face ever raised his voice. Doesn't have to.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's yelled in his life. Doesn't have to. Ye,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he says, I give the love.
Speaker 1: I'll cook your dinner too as soon as I get
Speaker 1: home from work. This motherfucker worked eight hours, came home,
Speaker 1: fuck the ship out of him, and then cook dinner.
Speaker 1: That's what he just said. That's what he said after
Speaker 1: he got home from work eight hour shift, hard body,
Speaker 1: karate who you want to be? Who you want to be?
Speaker 1: Where were we going? But the tweet came out and
Speaker 1: he felt a way like as if I was disrespecting him. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't think he realizes that I'm a fan of
Speaker 1: him because I only liked that song and I only
Speaker 1: want the younger generation two fight for their space and
Speaker 1: earned their space, versus just throw around to take it
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't take king or go. You
Speaker 1: can't take that. You have to earn that. But I
Speaker 1: do understand why he felt that way because but he
Speaker 1: didn't say he's the goat. No, he didn't say it them.
Speaker 1: But what happened to We're back to that straw breaking
Speaker 1: the camel's back. And this is what I noticed in
Speaker 1: some of what he said in his response. People have
Speaker 1: been people have been taken away from his creativity and
Speaker 1: diminishing his ability to do what he does since he started.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about me, m hmm. I was just the
Speaker 1: person that came at the right time that you're CHRISTI
Speaker 1: where he was Chris Rock, did we go there? I
Speaker 1: mean I was Christal I was. I was My voice
Speaker 1: was too much at that time. Had it been anybody
Speaker 1: else but Chris Rock, I don't think Will would have
Speaker 1: walked on that stage. But it's Chris Rock. It's too big,
Speaker 1: it's too powerful. I have to address this. So I
Speaker 1: understand why Young Blue had to address it the way
Speaker 1: he did. And I even text him before he even
Speaker 1: tweeted anything. I said, Si, bro, it's not what you
Speaker 1: think it is. I rock with you. And he's still
Speaker 1: made some more posts, which I think was probably encouraged
Speaker 1: by some other people because he's a good kid. He's
Speaker 1: not a bad kid at all. So what actually happened
Speaker 1: this was over my head. I just didn't want I
Speaker 1: don't like me and John Queens went through this. Who's
Speaker 1: my brother, my little brother, and I love Jack Quiss.
Speaker 1: He is the king of R and B two. I
Speaker 1: love Jack Quis. He could say whatever he want to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm a support him period. I don't care what
Speaker 1: he says. That's my little nigga, right. And somebody was
Speaker 1: somebody was calling somebody else was saying he's the king
Speaker 1: or he's the way I said, you and not the king.
Speaker 1: You ain't put enough work yet how do you pass
Speaker 1: Chris Brown just all of a sudden because and he
Speaker 1: said it's this generation, it's not a generational thing. I
Speaker 1: think he's right. Let me just tell you why what
Speaker 1: this generation calls goat and king is only different. You
Speaker 1: gotta say what you're saying, right, So what's right about that? No,
Speaker 1: that's not right. You can see the point. I can
Speaker 1: see you know what I'm saying, because I can see
Speaker 1: them saying he is the most revered in that space
Speaker 1: at the moment, because you know what I think, because
Speaker 1: everything nowadays is at the moment in the social media
Speaker 1: come from we come from we come from pain, dudes different,
Speaker 1: it's different now. And me and Jocquis is my that's
Speaker 1: my family. I know his mom that that's the family. Like.
Speaker 1: So we talked it out. We were able to talk
Speaker 1: about and like, I love beautiful, I love you bro,
Speaker 1: and we mean Young Blue, we're taking a shot to that.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's take a shot that we just
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just take a shot and get a
Speaker 1: little shot with you. Yeah, come on, let's go on.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Yes to R and B niggas not having me.
Speaker 1: So me and Young Blue haven't been able to talk
Speaker 1: that out yet, which I which I hope to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your RB niggas gotta stop. But but no, no, he
Speaker 1: just wanted. He just won an award for Best Hip
Speaker 1: Hop New Artists. Wow, which validates my point. Now what
Speaker 1: was your point? He's not the King of Army's not
Speaker 1: the new king of R and B. I love him.
Speaker 1: I love his work. I buy his work, which which
Speaker 1: even goes even further. So you feel like he's more
Speaker 1: of a rapper. I feel like he's a hybrid. He's
Speaker 1: the he's the evolution. He's not. I think he's he's
Speaker 1: a hybrid. He's a new evolution of of everything that
Speaker 1: we've that we've done, and there is no category for him.
Speaker 1: There's no category at the Grammys or the Soul Trained
Speaker 1: or at the BT. They haven't created the category that
Speaker 1: that that speaks to what he and so many of
Speaker 1: these new artists do. They do everything. So while I'm
Speaker 1: celebrating him, which he doesn't realize because he's catching so
Speaker 1: much flak from whatever side. My straw was the straw
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back and he felt the need
Speaker 1: to come at me. So you feel like because a
Speaker 1: lot of the times in hip hop, we go through
Speaker 1: this a lot um. First, I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for appreciate when I say that. But the
Speaker 1: hip hop there's so many stories of O G s
Speaker 1: not really accepting the young people. Are you thinking this?
Speaker 1: Is that the way it came off? I hit him.
Speaker 1: Here's how it started. Okay, First we he connected slightly.
Speaker 1: And then where at our R and B money runs,
Speaker 1: my bro j J runts and he comes over to
Speaker 1: me and said, O G, let's get something. Let's get something, okay.
Speaker 1: And so I said, I got the perfect record, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, he said, send it to me. I sent
Speaker 1: it to him, and I'm like, what you think because
Speaker 1: I'm open for criticism if you ain't working with it.
Speaker 1: I sent Drake three records before he said, that's the one, right,
Speaker 1: you ain't working with it. I'm I got tough skin
Speaker 1: me that game too. By the way, keep going, keeping
Speaker 1: so fantastic because I love it. So at any point
Speaker 1: you couldn't said, oh gee, that's not the one, send
Speaker 1: me something else. Okay. He never did that. Hit him again,
Speaker 1: talk to me baby, nothing. At this point, I'm like,
Speaker 1: got it, and I text him back. I'm like, listen, bro,
Speaker 1: in this business, you've got two things. Your gift in
Speaker 1: your word honorable. At any point you can tell me O,
Speaker 1: g I ain't feeling it, or I ain't even fucking
Speaker 1: with you right now, give me a second. Good luck.
Speaker 1: I can take all of that, but the radio silence,
Speaker 1: that's the Hollywood ship, which I'm like, don't do that.
Speaker 1: And we all been through that very easy, and I'm
Speaker 1: telling him not to do that because I just know
Speaker 1: what it is, and and you would, you being the
Speaker 1: elder artist, you know exactly. I know exactly what that means.
Speaker 1: You don't, And I'm telling him with me, you don't
Speaker 1: have to do that. I said, but in the future,
Speaker 1: just make your word your bond. If you fucking still
Speaker 1: and if not, say so, it's gonna get you so
Speaker 1: far in this business. And so that was my only
Speaker 1: message to him, not that I'm mad at you for
Speaker 1: not getting on my record, because well, but people again
Speaker 1: don't understand, is that I don't need people on my record.
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred percenter. My last two number ones were
Speaker 1: me a hundred percent written produced saying it's me, It's me.
Speaker 1: I don't need anybody, but I love collaborating. That's fire.
Speaker 1: I love going to to to Chris Brown studio and
Speaker 1: hearing a hundred songs in a row and being like
Speaker 1: this nigga is cold shit. I gotta get there like.
Speaker 1: I love that. But the respect from elder to the
Speaker 1: new generation there there is a divide, and we gotta
Speaker 1: figure out how to fix that, because I only want
Speaker 1: what's the best for the new generation. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, whether it be money long, whether it be
Speaker 1: whoever it is, whether it be Jock Quins, whether there's
Speaker 1: power in numbers. I understand you want to go out
Speaker 1: on tour by yourself and build your heart ticket, you know,
Speaker 1: build your heart screen necessary five six R and B
Speaker 1: as on one tour. It's necessary. Of course. I'm a
Speaker 1: close two years in. If you want to close, I'll
Speaker 1: let you. I'll let you try it for at night.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be heavy. Once I take these clothes off,
Speaker 1: it's gonna get different. But I'm always preaching numbers because
Speaker 1: that's how you guys did it. You guys did it
Speaker 1: with numbers, because guess what you would do. You would
Speaker 1: get in the room, you would smoke that fucking weed.
Speaker 1: It's legal. I got a medical card on, you would
Speaker 1: smoke that medicinal weed, you would drink that liquor, and
Speaker 1: you would come to an agreement. We don't have weed
Speaker 1: and liquor in common. R and B guys only have
Speaker 1: women in common, and we're always trying to be one up.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you how long you've been married?
Speaker 1: Three years? Okay, so I'm not talking about this. You
Speaker 1: can talk whatever I'm talk about. When you use a home. Okay,
Speaker 1: let him talk talk because I need to imagine the
Speaker 1: difference between R and B bussy, bussy or pussy. He
Speaker 1: just buzzy, he said, Pete, it's a pee because dank,
Speaker 1: I could just imagine how the tours was when you
Speaker 1: were single. Obviously, because we want to respect wife. I
Speaker 1: got my wing on, you got your ring on. We
Speaker 1: both out spide, but we had life before the life
Speaker 1: absolutely that we love right now, because they're the like
Speaker 1: we love. We want to be married. I'm staying married.
Speaker 1: I want to stay man. You're staying marry I got.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving her half of anything. Holy ship. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to take that. Those ship stop nigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and you were clearly, but when you were before
Speaker 1: you met her. I don't know how it feels to
Speaker 1: have the number. Want R and B record and be
Speaker 1: outside finger popping everything? If how was it? Everything? He said,
Speaker 1: it's different. Let me let me just coming to my concert.
Speaker 1: Let me give me to Mattis like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: it's been Let me help you going to do me
Speaker 1: a shot? Get your together. I need to hear this
Speaker 1: thing because I need to know and be as different
Speaker 1: you're different. Before I get to a city, I'll equated to.
Speaker 1: Now I do the numbers. For now. There are three
Speaker 1: to five there's three to five thousand women who are
Speaker 1: preparing themselves for tank to come in town. They got
Speaker 1: they got their wave caps. Maybe DA's Greece. Maybe you
Speaker 1: know when they're getting their nails done. They know when
Speaker 1: they're getting their hair done. The y'all fit has been purchased,
Speaker 1: The nails have been manicured and pedicured. The monkey has
Speaker 1: been either is either hairless or has a landing strip.
Speaker 1: Landing strip. Not because I'm gonna get to him, just
Speaker 1: because I'm into preparation for it all. They could get
Speaker 1: lucky with anybody. Don't got to beat me. But R
Speaker 1: and B dictates that at some point you're gonna get
Speaker 1: touched up. I'm trying to hold back my clap now
Speaker 1: imagined that all of that energy is really for me.
Speaker 1: I can pick, choose, and decide as I desire. Everybody
Speaker 1: else can deal with the rest. But a woman is hoping,
Speaker 1: she's been waiting to waiting and hoping to be chosen,
Speaker 1: because it only works if they choose. You know that, right.
Speaker 1: We can talk all the ship. We won't until a
Speaker 1: woman says it is so it don't happen. Are We're
Speaker 1: taking a shot to that real correct? But keep going
Speaker 1: with your patience. Mm hmm. That is what I walk into.
Speaker 1: I walk into a woman being the best she can
Speaker 1: be on that particular night, just because I'm in town.
Speaker 1: How do you not partect? And she chose you? She
Speaker 1: chose you. M I come from the house of Genuine, who,
Speaker 1: first of all, was the ultimate light skin and he
Speaker 1: had good hair. You ain't gonna beat him on stage,
Speaker 1: and you can't beat him up in real life because
Speaker 1: he will beat your motherfucking asks. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: think Gene want to know how to fight. I feel
Speaker 1: Genuine watches boxing from sun up to sundown. She always
Speaker 1: knew beat it your motherfucking asks if you think it's
Speaker 1: sweet right now, That's who I learned from. So I
Speaker 1: don't want I don't want every woman in my days,
Speaker 1: I wanted the right one. I discernment is as a gift, right.
Speaker 1: You don't gotta have every watch, you gotta have to
Speaker 1: write watch watch. I don't want every It's not even
Speaker 1: my thing. I've had threesome, spot some fives and got it.
Speaker 1: That ain't he would have kept going something and that
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't care about that. What What What I
Speaker 1: care about is taking a motherfucker part and putting them
Speaker 1: back together again. That's what I'm different. R and B
Speaker 1: R and B money, R and B money. I think
Speaker 1: you got a fan right now? Let me we we
Speaker 1: we before we interview anybody, we listened to their music
Speaker 1: and we was in here and this is let me
Speaker 1: just say something. This is the sexiest we ever felt that. Wait,
Speaker 1: let's listen. Listen, what what are you doing it for?
Speaker 1: You got your kids, You got either your wife or
Speaker 1: a few baby mamas that you got to make sure
Speaker 1: that the buildess covered. But what are you doing it for?
Speaker 1: So that so that the nigga would see you in
Speaker 1: the street it's say my nigga, or so that a
Speaker 1: woman will see you in the street and say, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that is him. Which one makes you feel
Speaker 1: like you are the man that you are. I'm through
Speaker 1: because you know what, because you know what through. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you why. Let me tell you why. It's
Speaker 1: like a one million per cent tell you that me
Speaker 1: and you have probably that the exact sit fans this
Speaker 1: of course for the most part, because what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I can tell Nigga's come up to you and say, Nigga,
Speaker 1: I made a baby to you. Nigga's come up to
Speaker 1: me and be like, I went to jail to ship terrible.
Speaker 1: It's fine, but you're my friend. I think where you're going. Okay, yes, yes, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Come on, that's right, Dane. Now, but that's
Speaker 1: real ship. How um. I've always wanted to have those fans.
Speaker 1: By the way, people said, nick I made a baby
Speaker 1: to your ship. It's a choice. Yes, you you are
Speaker 1: a product of your environment. Yes I'm fucked up. You
Speaker 1: product of your environment. I'm a product of my environment.
Speaker 1: Raised by my great grandmother, grandmother mother in the church,
Speaker 1: strong black woman receipt. Women opened the door, say thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That's why I was raised. I'm out there
Speaker 1: trying to be trying to be a gangster disciple, and
Speaker 1: it's like, we're not gonna let you do none of
Speaker 1: this ship because your grandmama gonna kill us. I gotta
Speaker 1: pitch for it. Carved in my arm as we speak,
Speaker 1: that's disciples sign trying to be it, all of it.
Speaker 1: I wanted, man, you better go home. Your grandmama may
Speaker 1: want to play. My great grandfather said on the porch.
Speaker 1: Paul lewis with a shotgun and gangs. The gangsters would
Speaker 1: talk at the at the shrubbery before my house. He
Speaker 1: stand up on him. They stopped talking. When they got
Speaker 1: at the end of the shrubbery of our block, they
Speaker 1: started talking again. He sat out, put the shotgun. That swell,
Speaker 1: we're not fucking with you a little Darrell. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna be no gangster disciple. You're not now. Paul Louis
Speaker 1: gonna kill us if we bring you into this. I
Speaker 1: love our generations where I'm from. I love our generation.
Speaker 1: We would like listen. I love I love the stories
Speaker 1: like that. I was there. It was there was a
Speaker 1: shotgun pointed at me. In fifth grade, that's him right there.
Speaker 1: Get him. I said, I'm not him. I promise I'm
Speaker 1: not him. That's him. Nigga, no nigga front. He said,
Speaker 1: that's not him. Nick. I'm telling you that. M hm.
Speaker 1: That ain't sexy. If that's your life, if that's what
Speaker 1: you come from, I respect it. You gotta fight your
Speaker 1: way out. What I was trying to say, sorry, because
Speaker 1: is I love our generation. That generation that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: is because we protected our talents when we've seen somebody
Speaker 1: that's gonna make it somewhere. Kenny Anderson, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm from Left Fact City, Keny Anderson from that Fact City,
Speaker 1: and I remember all the drug dealers coming together and
Speaker 1: chipping in to make sure Kenny Anderson never had to
Speaker 1: sell a drug, never had to do anything. So he
Speaker 1: was going through college and people I thought that, like
Speaker 1: the NBA was hitting them off, but it was all
Speaker 1: my prizes, just all people from my hood, was just
Speaker 1: making sure that you want to roll that gag, you know,
Speaker 1: go have this that goad, and that's not that's this
Speaker 1: generation that you just how I stayed there, I would
Speaker 1: have turned into a guy, right inevitable. Two cousins dead
Speaker 1: from murder m first cousin. He beat that from how
Speaker 1: he did it. He home God, bless God, bless um family.
Speaker 1: There were the guys we understand family like own bracelets.
Speaker 1: Five years, two years, three years too, his family right.
Speaker 1: I would have had no choice. That's what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be. I'm overachieved, so I win. We said that
Speaker 1: I win. Father said to my mother, I love you.
Speaker 1: With my family back, I'm staying in Maryland. I need you.
Speaker 1: Took me out of that to that. So your father
Speaker 1: and your mother broke up. And then your pop said,
Speaker 1: I need that, I need that, I need you, I
Speaker 1: need them. My pops, don't man up. I'm in the
Speaker 1: in intentury or dead. Pops said, no, I need that.
Speaker 1: And then that's when y'all move to a decent station
Speaker 1: on Andrews Air Force Base. And he gave me the
Speaker 1: whooping of my life, the beating of my life. That
Speaker 1: changed my life. What did you do? Seventh grade? We
Speaker 1: go to the principal's office for the I don't know
Speaker 1: tiph time, maybe ayby more. She says, if you take
Speaker 1: him home, I'll pass him. Just never bring him back. Wow,
Speaker 1: don't ever bring him back here. I'll pass him. I
Speaker 1: was that guy, got to ask you what you did everything?
Speaker 1: So the teacher, I'll whoop his ass. Tek me to
Speaker 1: deal with your father. Take him home, never bring him back,
Speaker 1: and I'll pass, and I'll pass. What great are we talking?
Speaker 1: Seven seventh grade? That said grade I dropped? It was
Speaker 1: I was an animal. If they won't do it, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. Then they scared, I'll do it. Punch the teacher.
Speaker 1: It scared. I punched the nigger. Oh are you making
Speaker 1: love music right now? Sir? You killed that? How far
Speaker 1: you killed that? That's why you're making Take him home?
Speaker 1: Never bring him back. My father looked at me and said, cool,
Speaker 1: I got him at the beating of my life. He
Speaker 1: bungs you home. He probably What's what I need to understand.
Speaker 1: Was it extension cord? You want black beatings? Extension cord
Speaker 1: familiar as I But yeah, we got well to everywhere
Speaker 1: and that next year, Now I can get detention once,
Speaker 1: and then the year after that, I found God. You
Speaker 1: never had to worry about anything. I just see my
Speaker 1: mom's this weekend, and my mother said I was the
Speaker 1: only child that she didn't beat you. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: on what my friend you know about coming I don't
Speaker 1: know what did you felt it? You felt it? He
Speaker 1: didn't know anyone laughing? Any want to know this? Just
Speaker 1: nick want But I said it was Eila, and she
Speaker 1: said it was either you tricked me too much. Baby.
Speaker 1: This is my mother. By the way, Oh well, you
Speaker 1: know you would act, you would ask swift. Then my
Speaker 1: sister comes out and says exactly what he said. You
Speaker 1: should have been catching on. He was foul. I don't want,
Speaker 1: but this is a famous story about me in my hood,
Speaker 1: how I jumped off the fifth floor? What all right?
Speaker 1: The police came, right, and so my sister tells the story.
Speaker 1: By the way, I've never told his story because I
Speaker 1: don't really think people care. Right, I got this, I
Speaker 1: got this. So yeah, so my sister said, a story,
Speaker 1: listen nor we jumped off the fifth floor because the
Speaker 1: police is coming from him. So I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: we're laughing whatever whatever we feel me did me come out?
Speaker 1: And this this is this is my only astortionists ever
Speaker 1: in life? Is this lady name show extortionist? Yes? She
Speaker 1: just stort to me every time she sees me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say why, but um with your every
Speaker 1: time I see on it whatever. And then she sees
Speaker 1: me and we're filming, and we're filming, and she goes
Speaker 1: all that gangster rap ship he'd be talking about. I
Speaker 1: bet you I don't know about when he jumped off
Speaker 1: the film flaws like the people we are sitting there filming, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this story is legend. So I say that, Just say
Speaker 1: I'm a motherfucking legening man. That's all we need. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you. I want to always ask you, what
Speaker 1: is your relationship with you and John? Yeah? I don't
Speaker 1: really have a relationship with John. I remember walking in
Speaker 1: I remember we were doing a ski a ski resort trip,
Speaker 1: met him with headliners Yeah and the ski resort, ski resort,
Speaker 1: and he was going to yeah, Upper New York, Okay,
Speaker 1: and he was going after me, which I didn't think
Speaker 1: was the right. But I was like, you know what
Speaker 1: you shooting. I'm gonna kick his right. I did not know.
Speaker 1: I did not know he's gonna I'm a killer, right.
Speaker 1: So I come back from the ski resort, which is
Speaker 1: an hour and a half away. M hmm. We went
Speaker 1: and eight at Applebee's on the way back. All that,
Speaker 1: and we get back and Johams in the lobby in
Speaker 1: show gear and and he's just before and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: shoot you on the white niggas. He's like, now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you have that champ. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: He's like, I ain't feeling it tonight. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you do your thing, baby. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like it's all good. I said, what
Speaker 1: do you mean You're not going? No, no good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I ain't got time for that tonight. He was the
Speaker 1: first guy I ever seen saying I don't feel like
Speaker 1: performing tonight. Good luck. But it feels like you're saying
Speaker 1: you felt like you don't feel like performing with you. Nope,
Speaker 1: what about me? What about you? What about me? What
Speaker 1: about nobody? Jahim literally marched to the beat of his
Speaker 1: own drum. If I don't feel like performing tonight, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to perform. M hmm. Period. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: a business mess. No, it's just it's it's it's here.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was threatened by you. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I feel like you're saying that, but
Speaker 1: he's not saying that. That's what I'm saying about that part.
Speaker 1: Most things are threatened by me because that's what you said.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. Niggas don't want to perform, don't want to.
Speaker 1: I got work because I don't just sing it. I
Speaker 1: write it and produce it. Honey, my ship is over
Speaker 1: sixty million out in the streets. So but he's not
Speaker 1: a guy that was concerned about that. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that was like, I'm gonna do what the funk
Speaker 1: I want to do when the funk I want to
Speaker 1: do it. M he was the first guy I've ever
Speaker 1: seen like that in R and B that said I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do what the funk I wanted to do. That's
Speaker 1: what Mack quietly, what made me want to do it?
Speaker 1: I told my manager Ja I said that that won't
Speaker 1: kill us, right A right, if it's right, we'll go.
Speaker 1: So not right, we won't. I asked Twitter Tank who
Speaker 1: was he against on versus nobody? You're asking the wrong question,
Speaker 1: kim Puis, I said, okay, you're sorry, kim Pits. You
Speaker 1: should have asked in Spanish man, who can do what
Speaker 1: the funk I do? Kim Putis, I said, who can
Speaker 1: write it, produce it, sing it and go number one?
Speaker 1: With nobody else in charge? Nobody else producing it, nobody
Speaker 1: else writing it, nobody else doing anything? Who else? Name one?
Speaker 1: Alligan can't kill us. I just want you to keep going, sir.
Speaker 1: You're saying place produce it, screaming no you can. I'm
Speaker 1: that guy. I can do it all and welcome to
Speaker 1: his studio by myself and walk out with an album
Speaker 1: and in Spanish English and in Spanish by myself, and
Speaker 1: go number one. So it's not the question is who's
Speaker 1: better than me? Who do you know? They can do that?
Speaker 1: Only one guy that was close. He's locked up. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got us jump me to beat me. They need
Speaker 1: the best producer, they need the best writers, They need
Speaker 1: the best choreographers too. To jump me by my motherfucking self,
Speaker 1: to name one? Taking a shot? Put this, put the
Speaker 1: liquer down. Who no name one? Dream? We need you, bro.
Speaker 1: He was talking to that ship earlier. Nobody who's gonna
Speaker 1: produce it, write it, sing it, go number one by himself?
Speaker 1: You name one? I'm going then ask me who the
Speaker 1: king is. Don't ask me that. I don't nobody to
Speaker 1: do what I do. Clap for that. I'm now gonna
Speaker 1: start of seeing a look at the story deal the
Speaker 1: story I see him do and say I want story
Speaker 1: do I want to? Not in past? Its right now.
Speaker 1: So right now, you're not bab your hand. I'm not
Speaker 1: battling nobody. I don't leave a break. God, maybe you
Speaker 1: could do it from that. Listen. I'll tell you honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't be R Kelly in the versus. Okay, that's hard.
Speaker 1: I can't so who you want? Who you want, like
Speaker 1: if Swiss, there's no there's nobody. I can't beat R
Speaker 1: Kelly in the versus. He is R Kelly. I can't
Speaker 1: beat him in the versus. In terms of who I am.
Speaker 1: There's nobody who does what I do. There's no producer, songwriter,
Speaker 1: singer who does what I do. There's nobody, Like, let's
Speaker 1: say us sure is the product of Jermaine dupri Confessions
Speaker 1: is his story. It's not. It's not us your story.
Speaker 1: It's his story. It's just it's be Cox at the produce,
Speaker 1: Brian Cox producing at that they gotta jump me. It's
Speaker 1: it's at the top of their game there. It's for
Speaker 1: people against me. So what about this song for song?
Speaker 1: Never mind song song for the song? It's five niggas
Speaker 1: on the song first me by myself as you against
Speaker 1: you on versus. Let's go tyrenks. Don't write or produce.
Speaker 1: He not me? I right for Jinua one. He not me.
Speaker 1: He's my mentor he's not me. Who's me? Listen? I
Speaker 1: gotta keep my ship straight? Who produces it right? It
Speaker 1: sings it? He's not me. You don't produce ship tree
Speaker 1: and no produced nothing, I thought, dreams nothing. I'm here
Speaker 1: from start to finish. The kick, the snare, whatever the
Speaker 1: pad is, whatever the memory line, that's me. I'm him
Speaker 1: your because there's only one Guy's goake it because there's
Speaker 1: only one guy. Because you're popping wow ships like a guy.
Speaker 1: You gotta take it or don't count. He's in jail.
Speaker 1: That could come close. That's what he came to me
Speaker 1: and said, they need to learn that ship you're doing.
Speaker 1: And you and your manager beat him in ball. When
Speaker 1: you want to beat his ask me and h he
Speaker 1: never wanted to give him the games. But let's not
Speaker 1: get it twisted. R Kelly is the king of R
Speaker 1: and B. Let's not get this ship twisted. Let this
Speaker 1: be your headline. R Kelly is the king of R
Speaker 1: and B. Whether you like it or not, I'm not
Speaker 1: don't need anything that he might have done outside of
Speaker 1: the real legalities. He's piano bitch. She's like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Who has believed I can fly? You stop it. I
Speaker 1: can't believe who has believe I can fly? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: who has done who has fiesta with jay Z the
Speaker 1: Goat a biggie. I don't care what you say, we
Speaker 1: will we will always be chasing the ghosts of our Kelly.
Speaker 1: I don't care how great I feel like I am.
Speaker 1: I know I am r. Kelly said, nigger, you got
Speaker 1: that falsetto. I don't know how you do that. You
Speaker 1: gotta teach me that ship. I respect it. I'm not
Speaker 1: him yet. I'm not him yet. I'm not I'm a
Speaker 1: problem mean that music. Let's music very musically. I am
Speaker 1: not him. We don't want to become him. Not him, right, Okay?
Speaker 1: You know Fortunate the Batchell thing, that's a Kelly. He
Speaker 1: wasn't going to give that record away. They said, in
Speaker 1: order to make do on your deal, you gotta give
Speaker 1: that to Max Will let him let him fortunate. Fortunate
Speaker 1: have you? Girl, I'm surprised I heard. I don't know
Speaker 1: what Kelly that was? Life live my life, life, life, Live, life, Live.
Speaker 1: That's a give, that's our killing, fucking kidding me. I got,
Speaker 1: I got a million miles before I beat him. He's
Speaker 1: the bar okay, none of he's on the niggas fun
Speaker 1: with me. He's the bar okay. How many people you
Speaker 1: think is right in R Kelly and jail right now?
Speaker 1: Like from R and B people A bunch a bunch,
Speaker 1: So no one really cut him off in ya world.
Speaker 1: I separated myself because he wasn't a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: be honest, and once you beat him in ball, he
Speaker 1: didn't like you. He's not earlier. He wasn't a friend
Speaker 1: and manager manager wanted to beat him every time. Every time.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be a friend of mine. But
Speaker 1: because R. Kelly was R Kelly, he was the tip
Speaker 1: of the food chain, so he was like anything beneath
Speaker 1: me is beneath me. He really wasn't a nice guy,
Speaker 1: so he didn't sunk with me, but he foke with me.
Speaker 1: He foke with me because he knew what I was.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna give it to you, nigga that
Speaker 1: I earned it. Nigga old school wasn't that guy, and
Speaker 1: I respect him for it because I didn't want it
Speaker 1: given to me. Of course we all do. I wanted
Speaker 1: to beat you, nigga. I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: beat R. Kelly. Fans call me King, fans call me
Speaker 1: all sorts of names. I didn't get to beat the guy.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to beat R. Kelly. He beat a
Speaker 1: lot of ship right now, how did you get to
Speaker 1: beat him? He's the guy these things are Kelly Kelly
Speaker 1: was That was the headline of the arena tour. It
Speaker 1: was him. I didn't get to beat him, so I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't assume a title. I can't. I'm the General
Speaker 1: of R and B. That's the title was given. That's
Speaker 1: I'm in the filipedia. Then your nickname says the general.
Speaker 1: I'm in the field to sit on their thrones and
Speaker 1: watch people do battle. I'm in the field. But by
Speaker 1: the way, there's very few people who worked with Aliyah
Speaker 1: and R. Kelly. Listen, I'll say this Aaliyah gave me
Speaker 1: all the confidence I needed to step into this thing
Speaker 1: called R and B. Because before that I was just
Speaker 1: a church kid, singing church music and singing church and
Speaker 1: that wrong with being nothing wrong with it. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't ready you're a I was green. Aliah told me
Speaker 1: you're ready, You're ready for this ship, and like nothing
Speaker 1: valid Okay, get my a shot ready. Nothing validates you
Speaker 1: more than a woman real. When Aliah says you're that guy,
Speaker 1: all right, that makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker 1: Nothing trumps that. And when she said that to me,
Speaker 1: I tuck it and I ran with it. I said,
Speaker 1: Leah said it, so keep none of y'all funk with me.
Speaker 1: I don't care what none of y'all say. Elijah said,
Speaker 1: I'm him. Yeah, we'll funk what you say. I'm him.
Speaker 1: Because Elijah said so in genuine gave me. He gave
Speaker 1: me the He gave me the battle him. Let's just
Speaker 1: be clear, you are my shot, is right? I don't
Speaker 1: not right. He gave me the battery. Shout out to Jine,
Speaker 1: Shout out to Tyrese while vocal battle wrest in peace
Speaker 1: to Eliah. Yeah, vocal battle you Tyres. When Elia said
Speaker 1: you him, yeah, you know you him? You are him
Speaker 1: guy Tyres tried to battle me in his early days,
Speaker 1: said Nicky, you're not me, I'm him. Kicked his ass.
Speaker 1: How does a vocal battle go? Run for run? So
Speaker 1: what do you it's not that, it's not that, it's
Speaker 1: not that, it's not what he just did. I promise you,
Speaker 1: it's not tarres to tell you we wouldn't run for
Speaker 1: run on the e O L Elements of Life video,
Speaker 1: shoot we want note for note And I said, this
Speaker 1: is why I'm different. Mm hmmm. And he said, and
Speaker 1: that's when he became my friend. M Eliyah said, you're different.
Speaker 1: I got you. This is what you should be and
Speaker 1: everything she said I should be, that's what I became,
Speaker 1: nothing less. I become nothing less than what Elijah said
Speaker 1: I should be. And Genuine is sitting at his house,
Speaker 1: rich with bags of money, saying, that's my son. I
Speaker 1: told him he was gonna be that. It's fire. That's
Speaker 1: what the funk I am. So when these niggas started
Speaker 1: talking about King and all this other ships they're talking
Speaker 1: about twenty two years in, I'm number one right now.
Speaker 1: Come see me, nigga. I love this. You know why
Speaker 1: I love this. I'm gonna tell you why I love this,
Speaker 1: because um, you've given us all you this is one
Speaker 1: million for saying you. And I watched the interviews on
Speaker 1: the Burthos Club. I watched it and I was so
Speaker 1: happy to meet you. That I mean to see you
Speaker 1: that day, not to meet you, that to me and
Speaker 1: you and then for you to bring your whole energy
Speaker 1: into fruition like like I said this, wrappers will out
Speaker 1: of me and say and I called him good, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, But you kept your word from the minute
Speaker 1: we've seen each other again reconnected and I know for
Speaker 1: one million but sent you're a real person and I
Speaker 1: just want to salute that. I just want to get
Speaker 1: you your flowers. I also want them before you say something,
Speaker 1: but I also want one thing to tell you. Thank
Speaker 1: you A whole legend out my nigga niggers like I
Speaker 1: cause just a tiny bit of what I'm here is
Speaker 1: sometimes you're still fighting for something that's already given to you.
Speaker 1: We all respect you, we all salute you. We all
Speaker 1: know like you that guy, We all know that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know what's crazy about
Speaker 1: us is the more money we get, you more whatever,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we try to fight for something that's already ours.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I had to learn that.
Speaker 1: I had to learn that is you know. Um, so
Speaker 1: many people keep every time I go on Twitter, They're like,
Speaker 1: we want people to interview you and e fan because
Speaker 1: y'all give out flowers, but as y'all turn to get
Speaker 1: the flowers, and and my response is, uh, when we
Speaker 1: give out the flowers, that is all flowers too. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That as all flowers too. And
Speaker 1: I just want you to know Tank, your music is endless.
Speaker 1: I've studied you, know you. I consider you my friend,
Speaker 1: but I studied you because I wanted to be like
Speaker 1: and what I said is like, damn, this is probably
Speaker 1: the last R and B real person like left. And
Speaker 1: everything about the way you you transition your music, the
Speaker 1: way you put it together, the way everything is exactly.
Speaker 1: I used to buy tapes called slow jams kicking pre
Speaker 1: you still you kicking for us to make these these
Speaker 1: these tapes called slow dams, and I would go and
Speaker 1: that would be my you know, there would be my
Speaker 1: way to try to get a girl. I'm playing the
Speaker 1: slow jams and me just me, just listening to your joint.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this is just this is real music.
Speaker 1: This is real music. You make real music. We love you,
Speaker 1: we respect you, we honor you. And it's in case
Speaker 1: you've never knew the ship that you do matters? And
Speaker 1: were motherfucker was like that, motherfucker it matters. Bro. I've
Speaker 1: been studying you for since I've seen you in l
Speaker 1: A and I was just like, I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: is that people making real music, real music feelings where
Speaker 1: you feel it in your feelings. And I gotta give
Speaker 1: those people power. Yes, I got to use my moment
Speaker 1: as I am number one, It's not just about me.
Speaker 1: How do I empower the next artist to be number
Speaker 1: one on R and B radio? How that's the point
Speaker 1: we went to, good shot. I have a little bathroom,
Speaker 1: but come down to the shot. Did you go to
Speaker 1: the bathroomlet's do let's go, let's do shot. Bathroom, then shot,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna drinke some pictures and let's just changing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I don't want to prolong the shot,
Speaker 1: but I also want to get your flowers. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming here. I really appreciate you, you know,
Speaker 1: sharing your story, you know, being real, vulnerable, humble, cocky,
Speaker 1: all on the same the same token. It's all the
Speaker 1: same token on the table. But thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being the real you, because you're gonna came in
Speaker 1: and did and did you know, and by the way,
Speaker 1: you're drinking that whole deli on boy. We will get
Speaker 1: you a deal. We don't get you deal myself. It's
Speaker 1: the bathroom. And then thanks for joining us for another
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