1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: brain Stuff. Lauren bol Obam here ever, wonder how, of course, 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: could help you pope with grief, trauma, and emotional pain. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: It turns out that horses may possess an evolutionary advantage 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: that enables them to pick up on our most subtle 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: emotions while at the same time not being judgmental and 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: even uncovering emotional blind spots. That means that they may 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: be an ideal tool for teaching people how to deal 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: with everything from a life ending diagnosis and physical death 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: of a loved one to miscarriage, divorce, and much more. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: For the article this episode is based on, Has to Work, 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: spoke via email with Gail Carruthers, an equine guided learning 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: teacher who founded and owns sky Blue Acres Farm in 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Pustl in Ontario, Canada, where she operates a non clinical 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: equine learning center called the Equine Intelligence Agency that helps 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: clients manage grief and major life losses. She said, as 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: a prey animal, horses don't rely on vocalization to communicate 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: because using sound would give away their position to a predator. 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Horses instead have developed a sophisticated silent method of communication 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: that's built upon sensing energy by using their body language, stance, 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: and position. A mere twitch of an ear, rise of 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: a shoulder, or shift in the hips is enough to 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: convey life sustaining information to the entire herd simply by 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: being able to detect the ripple of energy. House to 25 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Works also spoke by email with Lissa Corcoran, founder and 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: executive director of the Atlanta based Flying Change Equine Therapy, 27 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: which also helps clients process grief and loss. She said, 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: I think equine therapy is especially effective as it pertains 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: to grief and loss because grief is a relational experience. 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: We are missing a communication with someone we love, so 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: a new relationship with a horse can soothe that ache. 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Equine learning or therapy offers people the chance to interact 33 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: with horses via exercises such as coaxing them to come, 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: picking up and cleaning their feet, or walking them through 35 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: an obstacle. Course and equine therapist observes how a person 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: interacts with the horse, then helps shed light on issues 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: that might need to be worked through. The Caruther's adds 38 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: that many unrecognized emotions that might have been ignored or 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: even forgotten from past situations can become prominent when a 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: person passes away. She said, While the loved one was alive, resentment, anger, 41 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: and the inability to forgive could have been managed, but 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: once a person passes away, the opportunity to find resolution 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: is over, and people can feel profound guilt and or 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: anger from past unresolved situations. Horses can feel this energy, 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: mirror it back, and provide a safe container for the 46 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: grieving individual to release the emotion. The release can be 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: a simple acknowledgment of that anger or in a response 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: of forgiveness as the anger is expressed and mourning can 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: start to heal the emotional pain. Working with animals and 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: getting fresh air and exercise are all generally considered to 51 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: be good for us, but is equine therapy scientifically proven. 52 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: Dr Hallie She'd, a licensed professional counselor and founder of 53 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: Texas based Equine Connection Counseling, explains on her organization's website 54 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: that a horse's mirror neurons might provide an answer as 55 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: to how the animal can reflect a client's in our 56 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: world back to them. Mirror neurons are type of brain 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: cell that some researchers think help humans and other animals. 58 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: Recognize and empathize with emotions in other living things. She 59 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: wrote that some people believe that horses have substantially more 60 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: mirror neurons than humans, which could make them experts at 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: understanding nonverbal communication. Also, while horses have a similar limbic system, 62 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the region of the brain responsible for feelings and emotions 63 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: as humans do, horses also have a smaller neo cortex, 64 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: that's the area of the brain responsible for thinking and 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: analytical thought. This limited analytical capacity, paired with refined nonverbal communication, 66 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: maybe part of what endears horses to people. Horses react 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: to us but render no judgment, and we have their 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: undivided attention when we're in their presence. Corchoran said, we 69 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: have seen clients of all ages and backgrounds motivated by 70 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the guidance, acceptance, and love of a horse to grow 71 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: into happier, healthier, more peaceful, and more loving people. Of course, 72 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: there are lots of different therapies and types of intervention 73 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: out there, and every person who seeks treatment will have 74 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: different needs, goals, and responses. But as an experiential psychotherapy, 75 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: ecoined therapy has sometimes assisted in cases where traditional modes 76 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: of therapy like talk therapy seemed to come up short. 77 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: It offers a different experience by bringing people outdoors into 78 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: a non threatening and inviting atmosphere and offering them a 79 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: chance to use all their senses while learning and processing 80 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: through emotional challenges. It can also be more expensive than 81 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: traditional therapies and may not be covered by insurance benefits. 82 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: If you have insurance, you should contact your insurance provider 83 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: to discuss the details in advance. As with any therapy, 84 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: today's episode is based on the article courses have an 85 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: Extraordinary ability to help Humans on how stuff Works dot Com, 86 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: written by Wendy Bowman. Brain Sufface production of I Heart 87 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: Radio in partnership with how stuff Works dot Com and 88 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: is produced by Tyler Klein. Four more podcasts from my 89 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: heart Radio visit the heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 90 00:05:50,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Two