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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is

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Speaker 1: your host, Dylan Dreyfuss. Today we're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: a little two thousand Sonics with my brother and their

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Speaker 1: big fella Jelannie McCoy. This is an interesting time in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: It's just a few years removed from their ninety six

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Speaker 1: title run, but the roster, the coaching staff is completely different.

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Speaker 1: Sean Kemp is out, Vin Baker is in. We also

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Speaker 2: This year. The Sonics finished as the seventh.

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Speaker 1: Jelani gives us an unbelievable look inside the locker room,

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Speaker 1: breaks down the roster, We talk g P, we talk

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Speaker 1: team was, of course, Gary Payton, who had just a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous year. He averaged twenty four to nine and six

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Speaker 1: those practices, inside those huddles with a prime Gary Payton.

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Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons on the two thousand Seattle SuperSonics with Jeelannie

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Speaker 1: McCoy begins right now. What is up, everybody, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. Today we got my guy,

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Speaker 1: former Sonic, former bruin Ejlani McCoy.

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Speaker 2: Big fella, how's a hanging.

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Speaker 3: Happy to be here as always, and I've been waiting

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Speaker 3: to get back to Forgotten Season, so I'm very happy

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Speaker 2: Hey, well, it's great to have you back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are on the road getting it done, but

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Speaker 1: here first today going back to two thousand Seattle SuperSonics,

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Speaker 1: your second year in the league.

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Speaker 2: First question I got to ask you.

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Speaker 1: You know, you come into the league in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: get drafted to the Sonics, into the lockout. The Sonics

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Speaker 1: obviously had a storied, super successful nineteen nineties Gary Payton,

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Speaker 1: and then you come in two years later and things

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Speaker 1: are are very different. Head coach George Carl's gone, Sean Kemp,

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Speaker 1: one of the pillars of the Sonics of the nineties

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Speaker 1: is gone. I mean, first, just sort of described to

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Speaker 3: Woo, that is a that is a situation right there.

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Speaker 3: When I got to the Sonics, the lockout was a trip.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's when we were playing back to back

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Speaker 3: They didn't play young guys. You didn't see a lot

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Speaker 3: George Carl, A lot of veterans, a lot of CBA guys,

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Speaker 3: So coming into the lockout was crazy, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. There was no George Carl was. Paul Westfall

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Speaker 3: rest his soul. Put me into a bad situation, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. That couldn't ended my career, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. I very rarely shared this story

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Speaker 3: with you. I will Dylan. When I first got drafted

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Speaker 3: because of the lockout, I've been working out heavy, probably

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Speaker 3: the time. I don't know where he's coaching now, but

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Speaker 3: he's been with the Phoenix Sun. Legendary shooting coach, legendary

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Speaker 3: shooting coach. Me and Ricky Davis. Our agent was arn Tell.

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Speaker 3: And that's all we did. Play basketball, Ricky Davis, shout

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Speaker 3: out my dog, Ricky Davis. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: All we do is play basketball, hang out, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, play games. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: go back, you know, workout, go back, shoot again with Phil.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking. Medicine ball in the chair,

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Speaker 3: completely changed, you know what I mean. My shot in

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Speaker 3: in a great way. I was like Black Dirk and Whiskeys.

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Speaker 3: People can vouch. People can vouch for this. They no

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Speaker 3: I was looking good. I was pissed because of my

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Speaker 3: up being my little brother, and I got a chance

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Speaker 3: to mentor that'll be We'll get to that. But that

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Speaker 3: the practice. Billy Owens on the team, Billy Owens one

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Speaker 3: We got Hersey Hawkins. I don't think g and Ben

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Speaker 2: Ninety eight, probably World Championships, FEBA, something like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there, so they were getting a little extra time off.

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Speaker 3: We're in there getting to know each other. Hooper, I'm

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Speaker 3: in there killing ballin all of a sudden, Paul Westball

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Speaker 3: Bring it in, bring it in. Paul Westfall has one

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Speaker 3: of the worst segs, shit eating grins ever, the smirk

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Speaker 3: like it's really kind of condescending, like it's not really

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Speaker 3: trust where you've seen if you go through Paul Westfall

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Speaker 3: footage and he's talking to referees, it's kind of used

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Speaker 3: car salesmansh. So he stops the practice, he does the

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Speaker 3: grand he's looking around, He's like, why is he out here?

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Speaker 3: Playing this well against professionals? And I was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's where he was like, why is he? And he

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Speaker 3: kind of like pumps to touches you. He touches me.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, he touches me. You know

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Speaker 3: why is he bringing the ball up the court? Dead

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Speaker 3: of touches me, Daddy like mm hm, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, like like that's weird. Uh. So he goes,

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Speaker 3: then everybody goes to the basket, and then Westfall. As

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Speaker 3: I can't even do it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: We'll pull up pictures well mat yeah, yeah, yeah, the grind.

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Speaker 3: And he goes, not you, you take this ball and

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Speaker 3: you dribble around everybody while they shoot free throws. Bro

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Speaker 3: Like steam like was blowing blowing out of my ears.

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Speaker 3: Dad left Shrimp again was packed kind of halfway paying attention.

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Speaker 3: After he touch you, I turn around to look at him.

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Speaker 3: Daddy again is in my eyesight and uh, he goes, uh,

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Speaker 3: Daddy grabs a ball and he starts he starts dribbling

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Speaker 3: with me. Wow right, he was like, he was like,

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Speaker 3: then he goes Daddy again the smile. You're supposed to

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Speaker 3: and gave him the most terminator Arnold Schwarzenegger. Uh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're a good job. You're gonna be here longer than

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Speaker 3: he is. You know what I mean, I didn't know

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Speaker 3: you came with that. You know what I mean? If

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Speaker 3: we go to that next, year which which well what

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Speaker 2: You, NO i, mean, yeah that's. TOUGH i, mean you're a.

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Speaker 1: Rookie you're trying to, like you're trying to restore your

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Speaker 1: reputation maybe and, uh people are out here touching, you speaking,

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Speaker 3: It's your, coach and it's the, heck it's a. Situation

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Speaker 3: it's the head. Coach, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly so going into that next, year obviously the lockout,

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Speaker 1: Portland Neil, ellis who is theirs Out Hersy hawkins goes,

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Speaker 1: out in comes some great Vets Horace, Grant Ruben, Patterson Greg,

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Speaker 1: answer to. This you know which loss was the? Biggest

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Speaker 1: two and who was who was the guy for you

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Speaker 3: In, well you're losing one of a lot of sonic

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Speaker 3: know led to markers that blew out people's. Acls you,

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Speaker 3: all the, plays paid attention to, detail was always trying

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Speaker 1: I want to segue INTO. GP i, MEAN i know

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Speaker 1: if he said the INTRO. Gp this is his tenth

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Speaker 1: where his stats go. UP i think you can tell

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Speaker 1: Gone he's coming off of missing the, playoffs which doesn't

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Speaker 1: Career what did you notice from him and just try

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Speaker 1: i can't get enough OF gp. STORIES i know, that you,

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Speaker 1: know basketball fans feel the same.

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Speaker 3: Way Gary peyton in his tenth year around this time

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Speaker 3: Point he was well settled In you mentioned this title.

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Speaker 3: Run he was well settled into the. Glove And Gary

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Speaker 3: peyton is one of the most phenomenal. ATHLETES i don't

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Speaker 3: think that he gets credit For he was always in,

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Speaker 3: shape you know WHAT i. Mean he was always ready to.

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Speaker 3: Go he was always he never wanted to come out

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Speaker 3: of the. Game he was always wanted to. Play literally

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Speaker 3: forty eight. Minutes it was the whole, thing just trying

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Speaker 3: then by now he's you, know, offensively he's discovered. Itself

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Speaker 3: on that left side of the court, post THE gp,

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Speaker 3: turnaround THE gp post. UP a lot of a lot

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Speaker 3: Dope so he so.

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Speaker 1: The, guards the guards in the post like. Him sam

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Speaker 3: It was a, vibe but it altered the offense because

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Speaker 3: Score even as a ruben. Path that's when a diver was.

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Speaker 3: get a lot of post. Ups as a, big he's

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Speaker 3: no PRIME. Gp any loose ball on the, floor if

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Speaker 3: a loose, BALL gp single handedly would come up with.

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Speaker 3: It i've never seen anything about it in my. Life

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Speaker 3: and another thing that he, did he ruined picking rules

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Speaker 3: for me for a little while BECAUSE gp would never get.

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Speaker 3: Picked he would do this weird like he had a whole.

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Speaker 3: Technique you never got a hard like solid like the

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Speaker 3: kind of like you like on.

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Speaker 1: Offense on offense you're saying when he's the ball, handler, no,

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Speaker 1: no when he's on, defense when he's.

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Speaker 3: On defense and he's on ball, handlers when you're when

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Speaker 3: pick and, roll regardless of the, ball, hedging going under

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Speaker 3: Move he either like slightly dodges it on some like

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Speaker 3: weird thing and like it's it's you just. Learned it

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Speaker 3: Thing but he was just. Amazing he was fiery as

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Speaker 3: a leader coming out of a. Timeouts there was no

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Speaker 3: better feeling coming out of a. Timeout and you're part

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Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean and you're in that group

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Speaker 3: Five it's, empowering you know WHAT i. Mean and the

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Speaker 3: culture of The sonics was to play defense and get

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Speaker 3: tough guy to learn. From tough guy to learn, from

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Speaker 3: not the. Best take you through the step, leader you

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Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean and not get your sh, more

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Speaker 3: Together type, leader lead by, example you know WHAT i.

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Speaker 3: was a, monster an underrated. Athlete hella. Strong you never

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Speaker 3: could post them, up, big, smaller. Little everybody knows about

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Speaker 3: his defensive. Problems but as far as far as the,

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Speaker 3: on you. Too so you had a lot of, fire

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Speaker 3: feels like you're not. Participating Rashard lewis just shared a

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Speaker 3: story on the knucklehead spot, yeah about our first introduction

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Speaker 3: after that it was beef for like a. Week every

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Speaker 3: late you know WHAT i. Mean, whatever he was just on,

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Speaker 3: Okay so he would come, in like when we started

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Speaker 3: these motherfuckers need to be working on divy because When

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Speaker 3: i'm gonna get, It i'm gonna do my. THING i

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Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean because it's real townish In East bay,

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Speaker 3: funkish you know WHAT i. Mean so he really And

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Speaker 3: i'm gonna get you down here Doing i'm gonna need

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Speaker 3: you to, cut then you. Cut so he would like

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Speaker 3: he would just come in and just be g you

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Speaker 3: Players they were how they. Were there weren't a Lot

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Speaker 3: there wasn't a lot of this diplomacy to max max stout.

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Speaker 3: Players there were rock. Stars so they came in and

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Speaker 3: it was what it. Was and that's kind of you,

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Speaker 3: know as the leader of our, team that's kind of

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Speaker 3: how it. Was of The. Sun not the best team

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Speaker 3: to go to your first three years of THE nba. Career,

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Speaker 3: LUCKILY i was a little thrilled and have some fervor

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Speaker 1: Shifting away FROM. Gp we talked about, this yes a

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Speaker 1: few days. Ago But Vin baker stepping into That sean,

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Speaker 1: campro he comes, in fills a big void and he

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Speaker 1: does have some great years In. SEATTLE i think things

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Speaker 1: kind of tail, off whether it's personal issues or. Injuries

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Speaker 1: BUT i think a lot of people, forget you, know

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Speaker 1: for a better part of a. Decade this guy was

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Speaker 1: epitome of a forgotten, Player like nobody's talking About Vin,

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Speaker 1: then or either just don't know Who Vin baker was

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Speaker 1: on and off the.

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Speaker 3: Court that's my, guy you know WHAT i. Mean Ben

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Speaker 3: baker was a big brother to me in that tough

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Speaker 3: situation my first three. Years he was he didn't learn

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Speaker 3: HOW gp was used. To you, know that was a

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Speaker 3: him And Sean kemp, vibe you know WHAT i. Mean

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Speaker 3: people learn, differently you know WHAT i, mean especially in

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Speaker 3: intimate situations in the. League that's why you and your,

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Speaker 3: in the locker. Room you. Know that's that's very. Important

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Speaker 3: So Ben beaker was like literally big brother for. Me

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Speaker 3: that's when you're. Talking Ben beker was, cold, okay you

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Speaker 3: know anything under the three point. Line i'm talking handles

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Speaker 3: in a short, corner, hesitation weird, shot.

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Speaker 2: He puts it on the.

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Speaker 3: Ground he spins like HE i stole a lot of

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Speaker 3: of his. Posts he did a lot with the booty

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Speaker 3: to get to, weird awkward. Spins you, know he's long and,

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Speaker 3: awkward so he would finish at different. Angles kind Of

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Speaker 3: Antwine jamison, ish but in a bigger. Body not, pushhooking

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Speaker 3: not none of the push huck, shit but just streard

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Speaker 3: extensions and being able to. Handle he was a good

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Speaker 3: free throw, shooter good, rebounder shot, blocker ran the, floor

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Speaker 3: great pass or great human. Being So Ben. Beker this

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Speaker 3: is at the time The vindicators was. Out he had

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Speaker 3: a jump man you, know maxed. Out you, know that's

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Speaker 3: why they made a switch for him And. Sean he

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Speaker 3: wanted he never wanted to Be Sean. Camp he wanted

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Speaker 3: to bring his own version to The. Sonics he ADORED.

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Speaker 3: Gp he only wanted to be the best power for.

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Speaker 3: It he could do be WITH gp and not fall

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Speaker 3: off From Sean. Camp but you, know life. Happened life

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Speaker 3: hit comes at your ass. Fast you know WHAT i,

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Speaker 3: mean y'all he had a lot of. Money, uh he didn't,

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Speaker 3: have you, know a lot of. Support LIKE i, said

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Speaker 3: that locker room was. Different you, know everybody don't vibe

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Speaker 3: you know your friends and. Whatever but then as a

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Speaker 3: COLDER i mean he had a jump man. Contract he

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Speaker 3: Know i'm the little brother in his closet taking all

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00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 3: the Jump mas stuff BECAUSE i know he only wears

427
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: two sweatsuits and it's just gonna sit. There So i'm, like,

428
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: uh you, Know i'll take the van, back thank.

429
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: You.

430
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah Master chef had a beautiful house on the. Lake Master.

431
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: Chef he could. Cook oh could he? Cook Dylan, Wow Master,

432
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: Demnar master culinary. Artists i'm talking about crab, lobster lobster,

433
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: stuff cra crab, stuff. Lobster. Uh he. Had he was

434
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: a grid master. Griller he has something else that'll probably

435
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 3: come to. Me that was, amazing but. Fried whatever you,

436
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: want he can make it and he'll be in there

437
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: singing and ship you know WHAT i. Mean like he

438
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: loved and we all Love martin and we used to

439
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 3: Imitate martin and be. It it was just a Great

440
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: that's that's the type of veteran THAT i. Needed those

441
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: are those are the guys you need as a younger.

442
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 3: Guy you don't want to do all the other, bs

443
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean so he took care of

444
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 3: me on that. SIDE i was making a little bit of,

445
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: money but WHENEVER i got on the, road he gave

446
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 3: me some money you know WHAT i, Mean like AND

447
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 3: i couldn't like take it. Back it's, like, nah, Man i'm.

448
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 3: Cool he's like they come to the, route put all

449
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 3: the put all the food on my. Room don't be

450
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: down there ordering your ordering the. Food say your money,

451
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: real you know WHAT i, Mean order me a couple of.

452
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: Suits if he's ordering, suit come up here To taylor,

453
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: here just complete vibes about the, game showing me about

454
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: the post, up how to handle taking stuff from each.

455
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: Other we almost got into it because at the time

456
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: we WERE i was starting to cut into situations where

457
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 3: he was supposed to be, here you know WHAT i,

458
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 3: mean and like, that even some of the, COACHES i

459
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: won't say any, names you know WHAT i, mean some

460
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: of the, coaches some of the front office people were

461
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: controlling narratives or trying to get him to do, this

462
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: or be, like you, know this is taking your, spot

463
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: looky while you over here playing big. Brother you know

464
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 3: WHAT i, MEAN gp and his, ass you know WHAT i.

465
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 3: Mean so there was even one incidents where we almost

466
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: got into a fight during. Practice, yeah and there was

467
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: hell of fights and sonics. Practice that's, NORMAL i.

468
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: Mean you're being. RIGHT i mean the leaders That junkyard.

469
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Dog so it's not.

470
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: Surprising there's, normal like that's Just tuesday. Swings there was

471
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: a couple of swinging. Connects there's some other legendary stories

472
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 3: that happened this year with some with some players that

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: there was some swinging. Connects there were some ways that,

474
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: flew there's some, chairs there's some fights on the, plane

475
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean there was like it was

476
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: active in the in the and on the signing stuff

477
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: my first three. Years so it was definitely it was

478
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: definitely a. Vibe but LIKE i, Said ben was ultimate

479
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: and still an ultimate professional aside from what we know

480
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 3: in the public and the trials and, tribulations like he showed,

481
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: up you know WHAT i. Mean we go through things

482
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: like he could have claimed that mental health hold deal

483
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: and been all four years still being getting paid and,

484
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: straight but he showed. Up he knew the responsibilities of

485
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 3: being A max player and being A Jordan brand. Athlete

486
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: he was trying to do the best that he. Can

487
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: and that's one THING i know About Ben becker is always.

488
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 3: Loved he took being a it very. Seriously it's just

489
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: like you, know life, relationships environments can influence certain, people you,

490
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean and life come to find, out

491
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: and then you know WHAT i mean that that's kind

492
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: of like stressful to be in those type of. Environments

493
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: it's not a real life. Thing but he was somebody

494
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 3: THAT i could lean on, professionally basketball wise and just

495
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: as a big. Brother so that's you. KNOW i can't

496
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: say enough About Van becker and his. TALENT i don't

497
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: even want to debate about his talent because he was An,

498
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: olympian he was a lifetime twenty and ten. Guy when

499
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 3: he was, right he played all the, games he was

500
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: An All. STAR i, mean you don't get traded For

501
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: Sean kin for no.

502
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: Reason, now, WELL i, think without saying, ANYTHING i think

503
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: we'll spotlight him a little bit more over the coming

504
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: weeks with something we got going. On but just to

505
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: touch on, THAT i, Mean i'm glad the other stuff came,

506
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: up AND i you, know through, CONVERSATIONS i just see

507
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of players from your generation have they don't

508
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: like the media at all, because like you, said they

509
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: take that one or two incidences and, today you, know

510
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: if you go, online that's all you. See you don't

511
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: See baker the master chef for you, know the big.

512
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Brother you see his runnings or. Whatever So i'm glad

513
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: we got to get that out AND i.

514
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: Want more of.

515
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: That but moving, on just real. Quick Rashard lewis you mentioned?

516
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: It mar your?

517
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: Dog?

518
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Uh same same draft. Class he's coming straight out of high.

519
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: School. COLD i, mean what is?

520
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: He probably your damn you or your height, right six,

521
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: ten six. Eleven but, yeah But strap one of the

522
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: best shooters ever ahead of his. Time talk to the

523
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: people about About Sweet.

524
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: Lou Sweet. Lou back, then we used to call him

525
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: meet because that's how alli a, Was meet and te

526
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: where we. WENT i used to order something and go

527
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 3: to sar get a, hamburger meat and. Tea you know

528
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: WHAT i, Mean that's. All that's all he cared, about you,

529
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 3: Know meet and. Cheese Sh, Houston, Texas, Ahtown. Ahtown rashard is, awesome.

530
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: Man he was awesome to. Have it was an honor

531
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: of me to, like even THOUGH i was going through

532
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: things in the league at the same, Time, like because

533
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: WHAT i went through AT u. C L. A i

534
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: felt led me AS i was able to and my

535
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: and my bigger brother Rest In piece was the number

536
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: two pick in the draft for The, Raiders Jerald, Russell

537
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: SO i was able to provide some type of mentorship

538
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: For rashard because he was like a. Teenager, teenager you

539
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: know WHAT i. Mean everybody remembers his whole draft, look

540
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: But rashard was just relentless and to watch him. GROW

541
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: i LITERALLY i remember the game when the strap really came.

542
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: Out we was on the road In, dallas AND i

543
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: think he hit like five.

544
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: Threes this, Year so.

545
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: YEAH i think it would be. It. YEAH i think

546
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: it was like year. Two, yeah because we started playing.

547
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: MORE i think in year two he was able to

548
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: play the, two the, three the, four you know WHAT i,

549
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: mean moved down the. Lineup he was. Strong rashard cared

550
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: about the rape. Women his brothers were in the, football

551
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: so he was always low. Key even though he had skinny.

552
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: Legs he was always benching hell, away you know WHAT i,

553
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: mean cut. Up hella athletic and bouncy at this. Time

554
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: remember this is tip Jam. Rashard this is When rosardi

555
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: used to get his money off like tip jams and,

556
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: libs occasional, jumpers not really. Threes he was just hellda,

557
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: active moving around finding little. Spots BUT i, remember LIKE

558
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 3: i think it was on the road In. Dallas If

559
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: i'm not. Mistaken maybe even When Dennis robin was.

560
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: On, dallas THAT'S i, mean you don't want to run

561
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: Into Dennis robin at. All BUT i think later in

562
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: his career you could see the, yeah something, turning some wheels,

563
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: fall so you don't want to run.

564
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: There it was. FUNNY i had a hard deal with

565
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: him that game. Too BUT i Remember. RASHARD i remember

566
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: when it, clicking when it, clicked when he was like all,

567
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: right and then then he started opening up his, game

568
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i. Mean didn't do a lot of

569
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: like crazy ball handling with the. Three it was, like

570
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: damn shar hitting, three like No charlot's hit him threes

571
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: Like pratt even just got dialed and he spent time on.

572
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: It boom boom, boom and all of a sudden he

573
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: was just dialed. In and at six ten he was

574
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: one of the first players of the six ten actively

575
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: letting go three pointers and putting it up on the

576
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: deck and getting tip. Jam then he had the post.

577
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: Game THEN i feel like there was a weird turnaround

578
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: And shard used to get too that nobody could get get.

579
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: TO i can't remember what, shoulder but it was fun

580
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 3: to watch him blossom mentor made sure he didn't make

581
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the MISTAKES i made AT. UCLA i

582
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: made damn sure of, that you know WHAT i, mean

583
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: because he was a good. Guy him and his Homeboy.

584
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Travis he lived out there with his Homeboy. Travis we stayed.

585
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: Close he would come, over we'd, Play we played the,

586
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: games you, know watch, Games, uh chill and. Eat So

587
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: Rashard lewis was like a little. Brother mean to. Me

588
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: i'm so proud of everything that he's accomplished in.

589
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Life moving on from the, roster painting the big picture

590
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: of the, league this is, yeah at the end of the,

591
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: year this is The lakers first, championship but at this

592
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: point in the regular season they hadn't won it, yet

593
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: coming off The spurs championship in The lockout ninety. Nine

594
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: but The west was. Crazy five teams with fifty or more.

595
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: WINS i, mean you're talking about the T wls with

596
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: fifty WITH. Kg you got The sons With penny and J,

597
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Kidd spurs With duncan And, Robinson blazers She Pippin'. Jazz

598
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: you know who's, There, lakers you know he's. There going

599
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: into the season in like the early. Days did it,

600
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: like did it become clear quickly that The lakers like

601
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: had arrived or did that really not become evident until

602
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: what in the?

603
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: Playoffs mm. Hmm you got you just look at look

604
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: at the player the, teams and think of the teams

605
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: and the people all the teams and the playoff experience

606
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: of the people on those. Teams. Facts you, know you

607
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: know from what a couple of trade talking about pennies

608
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: been The orlando already now he's With, jake a gritty j,

609
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: kid you know WHAT i, mean this is The west

610
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: and then what that? Was Whoa now THAT i think about, It,

611
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: bro like that was you have to be on your

612
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: ship every, night especially from my. Position you just named She,

613
00:30:52,520 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: Duncan Carl, Shack shack mcdce mc, Dice bro four and the. Five,

614
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: yeah you had, to like there was no like you

615
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: had to come with, it you, know just to even

616
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 3: slow those guys. Down and they were getting. Touches so

617
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: my in my, position like.

618
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: It's had to every every possession they had to touch

619
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: the had to touch the, post.

620
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 3: It had to touch, it and they had to do

621
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: something before you, know the offense even. Started so like

622
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: just to defend it's like having the pressure that the

623
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: guards do now With steph and some of the responsibilities

624
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: that they. Are, utah you Got John stockton coming in

625
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 3: with the dirty backscreen is to send big Ass Karl

626
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: malone over to the other. Block especially at, home they're

627
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 3: letting them. Cheat people talking gonna get up into your

628
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: lower back on some. Bullshit bring you over to the

629
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: Cross green only so big refrigerator with post moves Shoulder Carl,

630
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: malone conceal your ass under the. BASKET a lot of

631
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: coaches that are talking about fight over the screen From John.

632
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: Stockton it's, like, yo, bro you know these are the

633
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: things while you get. Disrupted but, yeah there was never

634
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 3: a night. Off all the guards Care John. Stockton there

635
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: were more physical there. Was the arm bar was still,

636
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: alive you know WHAT i. Mean you had to like

637
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: really go into your shit to make a. Move there

638
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,000
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639
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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: face up and get your hands off. Thing, yeah to rip,

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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: through get your two free, throws get two three those a.

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00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: Game you had to worry about stuff like. That you

643
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: Got Tim duncan slapping balls off your. Face off the

644
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 3: glass and then coming through and doing the goofy stiff

645
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: tim dunk across your face because he still had a

646
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: little bounce. Back then you got mcdce turning over that

647
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: shoulder In denver when your lips are, powdered white down,

648
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: nuts running up and down the, altitude and he's he's

649
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: not doing. Nothing he's still running with the big calf

650
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: and the whole mcdce, thing dunking and getting over the

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: right OR i think it, was what was it the right. Shoulder,

652
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: YEAH i tried to break my. BACK i SWEAR i

653
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: timed it one. Time he doesn't even look at you,

654
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: either he just turns and does it and runs back

655
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: down the. Court. Uh it was just a lot of.

656
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: Talent you got Young jermaine O'Neills and In portland with

657
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: z bos with z. Bows yeah that's.

658
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: Crazy.

659
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah so, yeah the four and the five with stick with.

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Speaker 3: Stick you, KNOW i think it's sacked by man and

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Speaker 2: You who gave? You you're welcome to THE nba, moment.

663
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: BRO i remember the whole bench fell out. LAUGHING i,

664
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Laughed sabonis. Laugh the whole ship was. Hilarious So i'm.

665
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Speaker 3: Hyper i'm. HYPER i get a post. Up Uh sabonis

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00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,560
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00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: i slap it all hard and ship you know the,

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669
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Speaker 3: about to cook. Beat going to a. MOVE i Think

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672
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 3: just stopped And i'm like, okay And i'm still, dribbling

673
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: but our vetus is like just slid one time And

674
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: i'm flintstone running like still thinking on backing them. Down

675
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: he's like, Laughing LIKE i turn and look at the

676
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: bench While i'm, dribbling like, Yo like you, know it's

677
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: like what the coaches That Bob weiss is on the

678
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: on the bench cracking. UP i think whoever was on

679
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: the bench we were just laughing our vetus laugh AND

680
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: i think they called a foul or something on them.

681
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: Too that was like my welcome to THE nba money

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00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: Dudes this ain't college like, this like for real big

684
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: dudes that you can't even dominate with your speed against

685
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: some of these, dudes.

686
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: You've seen that picture Of kat trying to post a bit.

687
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Speaker 2: Of that's a big what was he pushing like three

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Speaker 2: three point? Fifty do?

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,360
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695
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696
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697
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,239
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Speaker 1: Details so regular season closes, out you guys go forty

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00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,840
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729
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960
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730
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: Utah still. GREAT i want to see how old.

731
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Exactly malone's thirty, Six stockton is thirty, seven so they're.

732
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Old but two, seed you, know fifty five plus. Wins

733
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: you're playing In, utah Which i'd like to hear if

734
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,680
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735
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: through that series With. Utah they go up two to,

736
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,640
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737
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,640
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738
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,880
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739
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 1: that just never.

740
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Happened so what do you remember from THE uta?

741
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: Series it was, Fun like every possession was, stressful bro,

742
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: stressful you know WHAT i. Mean and then like and

743
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: being in and out of the, lineup you know WHAT i,

744
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: mean coming in in certain, situations you know WHAT i.

745
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: Mean it was just. Different it was just a stressful.

746
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: SERIES i, mean first of, all that If i'm not,

747
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: Mistaken Mad max on that, team but he didn't play the.

748
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 2: Playoffs Mad, MAX i want to, say was on your.

749
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Team, yeah that's WHAT i.

750
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah and he had yeah yeah

751
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

752
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah so Mad max is on your, team but, no

753
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: he did not play in the.

754
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: Playoffs he did not play in the playoffs because a

755
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: lot of whether incident. Happened i'm gonna save that for part.

756
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: Two I'm i'm gonna save that story For. Dylan dylan that,

757
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: that But i'm not gonna share that with that. One

758
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: but first of, all we blew the hotel down In.

759
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: Utah all, right we blew the hotel, down The Hotel,

760
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: MONACO i think it was it that just. Opened it was,

761
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: like it was real. Nice they have to put a,

762
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: FAN i think The warriors some OF i heard The

763
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: warriors players talk about how they've had to put a

764
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: fan on the on the floor and, LIKE i remember

765
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: that happened at The Hotel, Monico like we was burning it,

766
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: down you know WHAT i. Mean but the fans In

767
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: utah are, trifling you know they can. Be and this

768
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: is back in the, nineties so they were Really, yeah

769
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: they were real pieces of, ish but knowledgeable about the

770
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: game and matchups and like when things are going on

771
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: between the, Positions Like utah, Fans, no they're like knowledgeable.

772
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: Fans they're you, know they're a they're a, holes but

773
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: they're like. Knowledgeable they're, like, no when there's little inner,

774
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: stories they're seeing what's going on between different, positions.

775
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: And like they take the.

776
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: Fundamentals, yeah, yeah and, uh and the offense is a

777
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: painting the ass to guard because it's predicated, on if

778
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: not the pick and, roll and those are the pick

779
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: and roll. Savants, ye possibly of all, time because he

780
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: could hit the jimmy or he put it on the,

781
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: day or he's slipping and doing the carmel all.

782
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: That it's ten ten thousand buckets out of that pick and, roll.

783
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: You see What i'm. Saying and he getting the head

784
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: every do. Seven not to Mention carls running doing the

785
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: out of, bounds running wide and getting the car malone

786
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: done when he runs out of bounds and you, know

787
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: the like they teach you in, practice run bounds and

788
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: then coming. Back he's doing that every. Time he's actually

789
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: doing that every. Time and correct me If i'm. Wrong

790
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: is this the time he drops that that fifty? Ball

791
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: does any other fifty point game in one of that?

792
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: Series, yes game, One, bro he took he he probably

793
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: took ten dribbles.

794
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: The whole, time just just picking, pops picking, rolls.

795
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: Short, corners the, cash the face, up, knockdown run, back

796
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: a lot of those layups we just talked.

797
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: About he's thirty, six he's thirty six years.

798
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: Old continuing to Deliver, Dylan he's Just Mail, manning continuing

799
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: to do the things we all know him is accustomed.

800
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: To they're not really showing any signs of age because

801
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: they've run and in a month they don't. Run they you,

802
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: know they take their pick and choose when they want to.

803
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Play they're not going up and down with, you with,

804
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: us because we want to go up and. Down but

805
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: they're definitely about to make play half court basketball and

806
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: then strategically run out on you would be rust. Ulster

807
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: tag was nasty and in the way and just doing

808
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: all types of crazy. Stuff so it was a cerebral.

809
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 3: Game and the matchup BETWEEN gp And John stockton prime time.

810
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 3: Television if you're a basketball, purist the chess match between

811
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: and the the juxtapos of styles Between Gary, payton actually

812
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: they're one and the. Same THE gp will step on

813
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: your foot or do something to you to make a.

814
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: Player that's what a defensive player. Does they play if

815
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: the referee doesn't see, it they're going to do. That

816
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: And John stocking was. Nasty, yeah he will elbow, you

817
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: he'll trip you like he.

818
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: Was what DOES gp say about you Know stockton when

819
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: you head into the locker room, like is it all

820
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: respector is he?

821
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: Yah is there? Respect not a lot? Of it's not

822
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: a lot. Of he has to be dialed. In he

823
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: did a little bit of, chirping you know WHAT i,

824
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: mean because that's how he. Communicates but you can't.

825
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: Talk you can't talk To John.

826
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: Stock you got. It he's not. Talking, yeah he's just

827
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: gonna be He you, know he's not talking TO. G

828
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: SO g can't get. Up you, know he gets played,

829
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: better like you KNOW. KG a lot of us play

830
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: better when somebody's chirping a little. Bit john's not giving

831
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: you that. Energy but he's like a bully and he's

832
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: doing like little weird ship and he's hitting threes and

833
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: being effishing to getting other people in the. Bolve so

834
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: that was like a crazy chess match to. Watch definitely for.

835
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Purists if you love, basketball you should get like match

836
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: up footage of Like John stocking And Gary.

837
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Payton we'll get that foot of.

838
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Someday as soon as we get, It i'm putting that.

839
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: UP i THINK i Think i've done it. Before it's

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00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: it's back, there it's in the. Archives i'll pull it.

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00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: Out so you guys losing. Five first, off what do

842
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: you think of the five game playoffs series first?

843
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: Round you like? That you think they should go back to?

844
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: It or?

845
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: Not no more, basketball just more. Basketball let's just get more.

846
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: Basketball players like, it fans like. It probably the owners

847
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: probably bringing an extra more bad. Scratch i'm all for more.

848
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: Basketball but LIKE i, said in those five game series was.

849
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: Stressful that's why every possession which is which is WHAT i,

850
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: like which is.

851
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Good you have the seven over, twos the eight over,

852
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: ones which is you, know once in a blue moon these,

853
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: days but happened.

854
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: More frequently back.

855
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 3: Then it did it?

856
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 2: Did it? Did so heading out of that.

857
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: We talked about, BEFORE i, mean this is kind of

858
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: the last chapter of The sonics as we know. It

859
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: they have a few a few bright spots With Ray

860
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: allen And, rashard BUT i, mean just just speak a

861
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: little bit on the basketball culture In seattle and what

862
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: what what went wrong if you do know it in

863
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: the two, thousands that that just led to the possibility

864
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: of somebody coming in and taking them From, seattle BECAUSE

865
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: i think basketball fans, know BUT i Mean seattle we're talking.

866
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: About you, know It's New, York, La.

867
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: Seattle you, Know it's not Like Seattle's minneapolis or.

868
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Sacram seattle is There.

869
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: Smerald city is like a real life.

870
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Thing it is and you we see all the players

871
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: today that come out of. There but what went?

872
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: Wrong in your? Eyes if, anything.

873
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: We should have kept that. Team, man we had some

874
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: like before it got To ray and everybody like the

875
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: des the Whole Desmond, Mason Rashard lewis that should have kept,

876
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: me you know WHAT i. Mean there's some shit that

877
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: happened in the off season between me And nate mc,

878
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: millan like some other weirdo situation that probably shouldn't have,

879
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: happened BUT i couldn't control at the. Time But nate

880
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: was taking over the, job and you know this is

881
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: one like his first, year first first as.

882
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: The.

883
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 3: League, yeah he was one of the guys who like

884
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: vouch for me to start and. Playing you, know he's

885
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: working out with me at the. Time so then he

886
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: becomes the head, coach THEN i start, starting and then

887
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: like then in the off season we have a whole,

888
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: ordeal which Again i'll say for part two along with

889
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: the other with the other situations when we Revisit. Sonics

890
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: but The sonics are really in the. Streets that's one

891
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: thing about the signing players like back, then like if

892
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: you went to where they are billiards, place a pool,

893
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: place or they're shooting, darts like you're probably gonna see

894
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: one of The. Sonics you. Know we were like heavy

895
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: into the, community you know WHAT i, mean going to

896
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: the high, schools having clinics a, lot like a lot

897
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: of these, kids you, know when there's a professional team,

898
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: there the pro, am you know a lot of that

899
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: stuff In, seattle while The Seattle Talent camp because like

900
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: The sonic players were like really in the. Streets the

901
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: young players could come to the facility to, play you

902
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: know WHAT i mean with us in the off. Season

903
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: LIKE i, said tower records Like sonic players Traditionally Sean

904
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 3: kemp would. Be that's why they're so beloved because you

905
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: could Touch sonic players without it being. Weird this is

906
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: before fans were like fans and like it could be

907
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 3: weird and you know if you're, out but this is

908
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: before like you could really you really find yourself chopping

909
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 3: it up with a fan In seattle on some cool.

910
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 3: Shit like you, KNOW i used to walk to the

911
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 3: arena BECAUSE i stayed, Close SO i used to walk

912
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: and past people on the way to the arena sometimes

913
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: WHEN i walked, there you, know talking to fans or.

914
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: Whatever so that's one THING i say about The, Sonics

915
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: AND i felt Like Shaman williams was another dope player

916
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: that was. There there would have been a great lifetime

917
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: Legacy sonic player that wanted to and these players understood

918
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 3: the tradition of The, sonics AND i think with some

919
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: of the moves that they, made it got away from

920
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: the Traditional sonic. Culture you, know a lot of free

921
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 3: agents that came from other teams that had other experiences

922
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: were obviously also veterans came. Over and we're not talking

923
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: With Patrick. Ewings, yeah we're talking about legacy, players you

924
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean coming, in not some of the.

925
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: YOUTHFUL i feel like if would have kept the way

926
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: of adding like The Desmond mason, ME i would have

927
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: been a little you, KNOW i had a whole plan

928
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: and the off, season me and we're short about we

929
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: all wanted to just get better and hang. Out So

930
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: wally had to do what he had to. Do, man you,

931
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: KNOW i can't pretend to be know what's going on

932
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: in a GM's. Mind you, Know veterans grike and say

933
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: who they want, there you know WHAT i, mean they

934
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: obviously got to make sure A gp is straight and

935
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: even like like he ended up having to move. Away

936
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: SO i just think the whole thing it was a.

937
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: Rebrand it, WAS i, mean it was they changed across the.

938
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: BOARD i Believe Howard schults come in From. Starbucks you

939
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, MEAN a corporate it went. Corporate it

940
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: was a rebrand that went, corporate you know WHAT i.

941
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: Mean shout out To Howard shows though and and his,

942
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: son you know WHAT i, mean the great stuff in

943
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: media with. Sports that's my. Dog i'm blanking on his

944
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 3: first name for, whatever because we got so many things going.

945
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: ON i remember meeting him when with his dad when

946
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: he was, young when they came and introduced him as

947
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: the owner of the new owner of The. Sonics but

948
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: it was a complete rebrand from THE gp era of

949
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 3: The East, Oakland Sean, Kemp Vin baker's, stories the the you,

950
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: know the veterans that didn't work, out you know WHAT i.

951
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: MEAN i just think it was a complete. Rebrand the

952
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 3: logo went, away that the shirt.

953
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: Came, yeah out of all teams, though like that's not

954
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: a team that needs the. Rebrand like that's like The

955
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: lakers the next like you just keep.

956
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: That it's perfectly, fine you know WHAT i, Mean like

957
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: it's perfectly. Identifiable dad goes. Away some people change in

958
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: the front. Office billy shut, Out billy. McKinley i don't

959
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: know if he. Left you, know he was one of

960
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: the guys that's responsible for drafting. Me things change in

961
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: the front, office ownership, change the new people you end

962
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: up with the Rebranded. SIMICS.

963
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: Mm is THAT i mean when you look, back is

964
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: you did have a number of stops along the way

965
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: in your, career but Is seattle you know where your

966
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: basketball heart sho u?

967
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: Remains for?

968
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 3: Real i'm A i'm A sonic for, real for? Real

969
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: you KNOW i want a title with The. LAKERS i

970
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: grew up A laker. FAN i Loft toronto Because Lenny,

971
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: wilkins my, dog gave me another opportunity to. Start didn't

972
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: believe for any preconceived notions of what he had on

973
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: me for whatever, reason AND i had a good time

974
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: my short stand In. Denver George carl for whatever reason

975
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 3: was cool with me to say weird stuff to, me

976
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day he let. Me

977
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: rock got a chance to play WITH ai who were

978
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: here with four now WHO i was been around since

979
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: A nike The All America camp in ninety. Three so

980
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: uh it was that would, say But I'm i'm A sonic.

981
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: BRO i would check at the state Of sonic my entire.

982
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: CAREER i would have, SAID i would have been the

983
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: ud of the The seattle so it took less money

984
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: to make it work. Out you, know you can still be,

985
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: there you, still, YEAH i. WOULD i would have. STILL

986
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 3: i would have still just been there holding DOWN mL

987
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: car and waving the, towel you know WHAT i, mean

988
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 3: making sure everybody's. Straight give me the front office role,

989
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: afterwards whatever. Happens but, yeah for, sure as much As

990
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: i'd like to would like to have because some weird should,

991
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: Happen i'm for Sure. SONIC i love that community in basketball.

992
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: Culture Uh imntally.

993
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: You want to go? Back you, know we, hear we,

994
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: hear we, hear we hear. Stuff you.

995
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: Know, maybe, YEAH i would love to go five. Years,

996
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: YEAH i would love to go. BACK i would love

997
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: to go. Back i'd love to, help you know WHAT i.

998
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: Mean LIKE i, SAID i consider myself A. SONIC i

999
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 3: know people a lot of people From, seattle like you,

1000
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,959
Speaker 3: know BECAUSE i don't. KNOW i didn't average fifteen twenty, points, YadA, YadA.

1001
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: YadA but if you was there In seattle AND Ki

1002
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: arena WHEN i, played LIKE i had some very intimate

1003
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 3: moments with fans and some key, times whether that be a,

1004
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: dunk a block you know WHAT i mean to steal

1005
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: or the fly actually just being that sonic. Guy if

1006
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: you consider the sonic power, Forwards dereck, McKee xavier, McDaniel,

1007
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: chambers the people who came down there through the, years

1008
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: they did a couple of. Things you didn't have to

1009
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: score twenty points to be dub as a. Signic that's

1010
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: what the signing culture, was and that was the college

1011
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: vibe that you got from being a Signing like if

1012
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: you average three and you play, ten twelve, minutes fifteen,

1013
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: minutes like they got. It yeah you know WHAT i? Mean, yeah,

1014
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 3: bro MY t shirt was in the. Store, okay not

1015
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: THAT i didn't. Like, AGAIN i didn't average fifteen or twenty,

1016
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: minutes but MY t shirt was in the. Store you

1017
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: know that thirty four. McCoy i do have several of.

1018
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 5: THOSE i gotta get. One, yeah people send me. Pictures

1019
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 5: they do. Exist you know WHAT i. Mean SO i

1020
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 5: was on a couple of. Merch i'm almost somebody sent

1021
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 5: me a clip of Some Key bank commercials THAT i

1022
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 5: did and some other. SHIT i was on the radio,

1023
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 5: station LIKE i was heavily, involved AND i was out

1024
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 5: in the clubs and, SHIT i was. Young you can

1025
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 5: see me in the. Club i'm on the radio.

1026
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: STATION i had a car deal With, mitsubishi And i'm

1027
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: gonna have like AN suv and uh and a regular.

1028
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 3: Misabittion so like, that and AGAIN i don't have a max,

1029
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: contract don And i'm not you, Know i'm making a,

1030
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: million a, million five or a million said whatever it.

1031
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 3: Is but Again i'm not averaging twenty.

1032
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: Just like just a like, milk just a like, milk.

1033
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: You know WHAT i. Mean it was just you, KNOW

1034
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: i was on my, say just a second year. Deal you,

1035
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: know it's important BECAUSE i was off a second year

1036
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: pro rated during the, lockout SO i was able to

1037
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: make you, know sometimes it's cool going in the second

1038
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 3: round because at that time because the next year you

1039
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: can renegotiate as an unrestricted free agent and you're in you're. Two,

1040
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: yeah year. Two signed a one year. Deal this one

1041
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 3: year guaranteed. Deal and then after, that at the time

1042
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 3: you know that, situation you're kind of restricted free, agent

1043
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: so you can, like technically they could HAVE i could

1044
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: have signed for which is another, story a larger.

1045
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: Teasing you're teasing that part, Too, yeah, yeah, yeah which

1046
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: is another.

1047
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 3: Story got to, me you know the very next, year

1048
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: you know THAT i didn't feel LIKE i still can't

1049
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 3: really see this great, guy just can't look at them

1050
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: to this day Because i'm, like you literally have my

1051
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: contract and that could have changed my, life my family's,

1052
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 3: life my. Career you, know once they give you big,

1053
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: money they're more susceptible giving to. You, again it's hard

1054
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: to negotiate when you're coming from a million and you're

1055
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: asking for six or five or seven or whatever the

1056
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: going rate is for what your your. Snafe you, know they're, like,

1057
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: well in the, half we met you in the. Middle

1058
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: that's like doubling what you made last. Year it's, like

1059
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: but it's still a hell of a lot of. Money

1060
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: you're still, doing you, know the job of your. Dreams

1061
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: but when you're talking, business which is This those are

1062
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: just some of the things you start figuring out as

1063
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: you start going.

1064
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: On it does get a lot of attention the, void

1065
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: BUT i think it's a good, thing AND i think

1066
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: it should be getting brought to attention because they're talking

1067
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: about some of these other. Cities AND i also think

1068
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: that just you, know expansion would be a lot of

1069
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: fun to. Observe if you know how that, works you,

1070
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: know the teams are going to have to make some tough.

1071
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: Decisions we're gonna have some great players that get that

1072
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder because.

1073
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 3: They don't get.

1074
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: Protected SO i think it would be great for the.

1075
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i don't know how the the money and the business.

1076
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: WORKS i know there's a whole ship that they have

1077
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: to deal out with, that BUT i, mean without, QUESTION

1078
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: i don't think anybody debates that when that, happens stop

1079
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: number one has to Be. Seattle on the other the

1080
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: other cities can take the next. Conversation but.

1081
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: You, know this was.

1082
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: DOPE i think obviously we remember those nineties years THE

1083
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: gp camp, teams BUT i think it's important to relive

1084
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: the whole history and figure out how did we get

1085
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: FROM gp And kemp in ninety six to THE okc

1086
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: thunder in two thousand and.

1087
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: Eight so, rebrand if you understand, rebrands and business. That you,

1088
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: know this is the first rebranding OF nba teams and

1089
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: getting away from the iconic players with, attitude The Allen,

1090
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: iversons The Gary payton's and going sharing it in to

1091
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: the Bray allen's clean. Cut you know WHAT i, mean

1092
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: the clean. Cut you know WHAT i, mean less, charismatic

1093
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: more on the clean, cut, dependable not going to cause

1094
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: any stir. Guys you, know these are the when we're

1095
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: acting a full in The. Olympics you, know the nut

1096
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: had the nut grab him in The, olympics and when

1097
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 3: we did that whole, thing you, know the weird dream.

1098
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: Team so this is when like you, know they get

1099
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: some real ones a bag and they was, acting you,

1100
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 3: know they was having their way for a, minute you,

1101
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: know against the front, office THE. Gm they didn't really.

1102
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: Care there was some Real East side brothers out there

1103
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: with a, bag and you know that's what. Happened no

1104
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: cell phones, TOO i mean, that thank god no cell

1105
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: phones in nineties, basketball, bro you might not have had a, league.

1106
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: No for, Real but here we are today that everything

1107
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: is on cell. Phones everything is on cell, phones.

1108
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 3: And they getting caught and they could still keep job.

1109
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: Whatever well, SIMPLE i, mean like you, know what do

1110
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: you what do you want them to? Do they got

1111
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: to live a. Life you gotta make some you got

1112
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: to make some bad.

1113
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: Decisions that Wasn't they wasn't with that back. Then you

1114
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: just wanted to play. Basketball there's no business talk back,

1115
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: Then LIKE i GOT i got flat In seattle for

1116
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: like reading The Wall street a journal With Brent, Barry

1117
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: LIKE i remember the coaches tapping each other like look

1118
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: at this, Dude like you couldn't think you couldn't be an.

1119
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: ARTIST i Remember desmond wanted to be an artist and

1120
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: he had, to but he was like hiding. It LIKE

1121
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: i looked go to his, house he was, like what

1122
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: do you think it? Is i'm, like, yo you should

1123
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: be doing art shows now like you but like you

1124
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: couldn't do that back. Then you couldn't be a?

1125
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: Rapper is that from the leftover like?

1126
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: Eighties like BECAUSE i feel like the dudes in the

1127
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: eighties and the early nineties it was, like you, know

1128
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: you couldn't be dapping up players on the other team

1129
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: and that.

1130
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: Ship, yeah like you know you have to you have to.

1131
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: Be there was some residue for. That there was some

1132
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: residue from, that for, sure you, know WHAT i. Mean

1133
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: but this is when you know the fun Place nike

1134
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: And shoe did we're in the you know WHAT i.

1135
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: Mean this is when it was starting to it was

1136
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 3: starting to bubble. Up the money was coming up off the,

1137
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: court deals were coming, up you, know and owners of.

1138
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: Owners not every owner is progressive and yeah has the same.

1139
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: Understanding if you know there's Doctor bust and then there's

1140
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: The miller owner In utah at this, time you, know

1141
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: it's all it's not the same progressively as what we know.

1142
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: Now you know WHAT i. Mean if you follow THE,

1143
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: nba you follow fan, bases you know WHAT i. Mean

1144
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: you know the backstories That i'm talking. About the former

1145
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: players have told you who played in their, environment some

1146
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: of the stories that are coming out now what they

1147
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: heard from fans or heard from owners during the. Negotiations

1148
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: so nineties basketball was a. Trip we can do a

1149
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: WHOLE scii or a movie or feature on like nineties.

1150
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: BASKETBALL u it could be scripted or. Nonscripted we got

1151
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: to dig, up we, gotta we.

1152
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Gotta there's there's videos out, THERE i know there, Is,

1153
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: yeah and. Artifacts we got to dig them up because

1154
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: there's some there's some treasures and.

1155
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: Maybe because that's what you. Do that's that's why they brought.

1156
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: Me that's why they got me in.

1157
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: Here that's why they got them in Like Paul, pierce

1158
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: that's why THEY, yea all, right, BRO i appreciate.

1159
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: You this was.

1160
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Dope we'll have to do part two, again AND i appreciate,

1161
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: them my, brother that was. Forgotten seasons On the two

1162
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Thousand sonics With jelanie. McCoy make sure to drop a

1163
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: rating in a review if you liked what you just.

1164
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: Heard we will be back next week with a fresh.

1165
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: Episode until, Then, peace