WEBVTT - Part Two: What's New with Alex Jones?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, Well, that's how you start a podcast. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how professionals start their professional podcasts. That's their real big

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<v Speaker 1>boy jobs. That's right, Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>Fight the Bastards. I'm Jordan's that I am allegedly Robert Evans,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm I'm very tired right now and making myself

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<v Speaker 1>some coffee to get perked up. What do we? What

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<v Speaker 1>do we? What do we? What do we? What? What

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<v Speaker 1>are we? What are we? Man? The big questions are

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to deal with today. That's how you

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<v Speaker 1>fucking cast a pod. Welcome to listen. Man. At the

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<v Speaker 1>quantum level, we don't even know where our fucking electrons are. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you see? That's that Jordan's that's the title

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<v Speaker 1>of a whole podcast right there. Can I recommend to

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<v Speaker 1>you Reset Wars. It's gonna blow your mind. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>most important work someone's ever done. So, speaking of blown minds,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Alex's mind has been mind has been blown

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<v Speaker 1>lately by the idea that there are consequences occasionally for

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<v Speaker 1>saying things that is true. It can happen, it had

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<v Speaker 1>it appears to be in the process of happening. He

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be in the finding out portion of the

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<v Speaker 1>fucking around. Um, and I guess that's what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about today, is it not, Dan, Yeah, definitely, And I

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<v Speaker 1>would say in terms of that he got more than

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<v Speaker 1>his share of fucking around. He certainly did. The ratio

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<v Speaker 1>of finding out to fucking around is quite low. It's astonishing, really. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're yet to see what the damages are

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<v Speaker 1>in the cases that he's lost, but I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a huge blow of finding house. But still,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of sucking around that didn't end

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<v Speaker 1>up getting figured out. It's hard not to argue that

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<v Speaker 1>he really could believe for a long stretch of time

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<v Speaker 1>that he could funk around without ever having to find out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he could probably convince himself that he was a charmed,

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<v Speaker 1>lucky person who like is untouchable because basically nothing ever

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<v Speaker 1>and he and he was. That's a reasonable conclusion to

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<v Speaker 1>come to until it really wasn't. Well. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really safe to be like Hillary Clinton is a demon

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<v Speaker 1>and sorrows and stuff because they are public figures and

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<v Speaker 1>they're never going to take the time to respond to

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<v Speaker 1>anything you say. And who among us has not insisted

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<v Speaker 1>that Hillary Clinton is a demon in some form or another.

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<v Speaker 1>I think two or three of us, probably he who

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<v Speaker 1>has said that's in so uh Robert him talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about the lawsuits today. Yay, Um, this is

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<v Speaker 1>exciting to this is very exciting because this is so

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<v Speaker 1>rarely I guess, I mean, there's You can view this

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<v Speaker 1>in two ways. One of them is that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a rare case of a bastard actually getting their come upance,

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<v Speaker 1>and it it continues to be beautiful to watch unfold.

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<v Speaker 1>The less optimistic is to actually think about the raw

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<v Speaker 1>amount of human effort that was necessary for Alex to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of start to pay the price for the things

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<v Speaker 1>he's been doing, like because we're pretty early in the

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<v Speaker 1>finding out period, although we are we are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the fun part of that. It's yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the other thing that's kind of like sour grapes

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<v Speaker 1>about it is that, like, you know, he's gonna find out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like he's going to learn his lessons

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody who listened to him and believed that he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying something meaningful isn't going to find out along

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<v Speaker 1>with him. No, it's kind of the disappointing down to earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time, though, I mean, there's it's inarguable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you just had Gareth and uh Dave on

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<v Speaker 1>from the Dollar. Yeah, and I'm fairly certain that he

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<v Speaker 1>said on your show, like there's something very satisfying about

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a career grifter finally get his come up and

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's impossible to argue that. Yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It is nice when it happens this exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the one time that it's happened. Right, there's that catch

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<v Speaker 1>me if you can kind of like that spirit that

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<v Speaker 1>we love of of like, oh, he's gonna get away

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But then also at a certain point you

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<v Speaker 1>go too far, and yeah, so here we go. Alex

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<v Speaker 1>is getting sued in multiple cases stemming from his coverage

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<v Speaker 1>of Sandy Hook in both Texas and Connecticut. He recently

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<v Speaker 1>settled a case where he was being sued over statements

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<v Speaker 1>he made about Brennan Gilmore and the Unite the Right rally.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also facing still facing a case where he's being

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<v Speaker 1>sued for misidentifying a person named Marcel Fontaine as the

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<v Speaker 1>Parkland shooter. He's lost all the Sandy Hook cases by default, judgment,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this point it's just a matter of the

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<v Speaker 1>jury deciding how much he owes and damages. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a money thing. The Texas cases go to trial on April,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I recall correctly, the Connecticut ones are set

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<v Speaker 1>for I think it's just one case in Connecticut. It

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<v Speaker 1>set for this summer. Yeah, I'm not sure when Fontane

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<v Speaker 1>goes to trial, but Alex is absolutely going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>that case. He definitely did the thing and he is

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<v Speaker 1>not taking any of it seriously, which is fun like

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<v Speaker 1>a default judgment. That's like, I mean, it's slightly more

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<v Speaker 1>common than football games being called on account of unicorns, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't happen fairly. Yeah, yeah, it's it's super rare,

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<v Speaker 1>except for in cases where people Bills lost all those

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowls. There's too many unicorns on the field one

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<v Speaker 1>one year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there were three

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. One was unicorns, one was trolls. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That Tom Brady got elevated to the quarterback of the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots because Doug Flutie was ward by a unicorn. It

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<v Speaker 1>was brutal, dangerous. Got on the business had word for unicorns,

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't have to deal with that asshole. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Kid Daniels, the guy who wrote the initial story that

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<v Speaker 1>identified Fontane as the shooter, sat for a deposition, and

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<v Speaker 1>at many points he testified things that will read very

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<v Speaker 1>similarly to a confession in a courtroom setting, So that

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<v Speaker 1>one is fun that one's screwed. For Alex, there's no hope.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not much more you can say other than if

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<v Speaker 1>somebody murdered a guy and you said in your deposition,

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<v Speaker 1>probably murdered that guy, and Alex told me to exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna go well after that. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>most lawyers would call inadvised. Yes. Yeah, I think one

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<v Speaker 1>of the main misconceptions about the cases against Alex is

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<v Speaker 1>that they're just about him asking questions about the Sandy

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<v Speaker 1>Hook shooting, and that is just not the case. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that need to be unpacked, and

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<v Speaker 1>the first is that the only reason that this case

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<v Speaker 1>is able to be taken to court is because Owen

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<v Speaker 1>Shroyer made video was uh, you know, one of them

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<v Speaker 1>was claiming that it was not possible for Neil Hesslin

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<v Speaker 1>to have held his son after the shooting, and Alex

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<v Speaker 1>covered Owen's video on his own show, and they did

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<v Speaker 1>this in ten. This was in response to Mr Hesslyn

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<v Speaker 1>appearing in an interview with Megan Kelly discussing the conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories about his son's death, which obviously angered Info Wars

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<v Speaker 1>in concert. In concert with this, Erika Lafferty, whose mother

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<v Speaker 1>was the principle of the school and died in the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting UH she made a public comment that Trump needed

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<v Speaker 1>to publicly distance himself from Alex, someone who had traumatized

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<v Speaker 1>her and many other families. In response to both these things,

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<v Speaker 1>Owen made videos attacking Hesslin and Lafferty, which Alex reaired

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<v Speaker 1>other things that Alex had said in for example, those

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<v Speaker 1>would be outside the statute of limitations, but this re

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<v Speaker 1>airing of the claims made them fair game. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge strategic error on Alex and Owen's part, But

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<v Speaker 1>they have just gotten away with everything up to this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we talked about the funk around all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't it work. The idea of the strategy is

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<v Speaker 1>almost anathema to them, so making a strategic error is

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<v Speaker 1>as something they feel is impossible to do. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The second thing that's important to my clear is that

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<v Speaker 1>Alex and For's were not just asking questions. They were

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<v Speaker 1>promoting Wolfgang how Big, who is actively harassing the family

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<v Speaker 1>members of the victims of the shooting. They were helping

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<v Speaker 1>how Big raise money to fund his activities. They were

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<v Speaker 1>painting victims family members like Lenny Posner as enemies of

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<v Speaker 1>the First Amendment and publicly airing the address where he

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<v Speaker 1>received his mail. They sent Dan Badandhi, a reporter whose

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<v Speaker 1>only talent is yelling and causing a scene, to Newtown

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<v Speaker 1>along with Wolfgang how Big, where they harassed people affected

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<v Speaker 1>by the shooting. Oh yeah, this is okay. When you

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<v Speaker 1>put it all together like that, it sounds like they were,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ghoulishly harassing the parents murdered children. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're taking into account, Dan, is the content I

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<v Speaker 1>have taken to account? No, I think we've we've been

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<v Speaker 1>so uh taking into account the content not not not Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we can talk about this on the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of my new show. Robert Evans tracks down people who

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<v Speaker 1>have losts loved ones and recent tragedies and heckles them

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<v Speaker 1>from the street corner as an interesting show. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting show. I am surprised the company is paying for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you I think it didn't mind the room,

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<v Speaker 1>The pitch didn't sound good. I'm gonna be honest, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a small chance you would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>pull this off a satire that was the original pitch

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<v Speaker 1>for h Jon Benjamin's dog Bites. Man. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>it would be funny to like, well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>funny maybe the wrong word, but like as a bit

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<v Speaker 1>to make your thing be like create an Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory, but about like tuberculosis. But you didn't lose

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<v Speaker 1>your mom to TV. There's no such thing. Jokes on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it in the words, there's absolutely no way

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get out of this without Multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan has come up with like fake, dumb conspiracy ideas

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<v Speaker 1>and then lo and behold it is impossible. He says, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that there's just like this key distinction

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be made between what actually is going

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<v Speaker 1>on and what they did and the whole idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we were just asking questions, because I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>suckers a lot of people in who would be critical

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<v Speaker 1>of Alex and in for his actions if they understood

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<v Speaker 1>the fuller picture of what they were engaged in. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically we have a number of episodes. Uh, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>series we called Formulaic Objections because in the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex's lawyer keeps saying objection form, so they came up

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<v Speaker 1>with the name that way. But we have a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of those, and those are long form deconstructions of the

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<v Speaker 1>depositions themselves. But I brought some clips from these depositions

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought would be particularly interesting or relevant, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy, to be to be upfront. Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very condensed version because we have roughly I think

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<v Speaker 1>six Formulaic Objections and a total of at least twenty

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty four hours between those episodes. Probably if if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, they weren't they weren't as granular as

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<v Speaker 1>they could have been, You're goddamn right, we weren't. The

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<v Speaker 1>the depositions themselves are like six hours long long. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I I am gonna jump in. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>Are you prepared? I am? I am. Well, that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>putting it a little strong, but yes. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that happens throughout the depositions that Alex is

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<v Speaker 1>in is he has claims that he's made repeated to him,

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<v Speaker 1>And the question, obviously is where did this come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you back this claim up? And for someone like Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>he everything he says is right. He's totally always right.

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<v Speaker 1>He studies, he researches things, So this shouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 1>real problem for him in a setting where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you finally have your opportunity to prove things under oath. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your moment, bro, Yeah, exactly. And consistently he

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<v Speaker 1>has no idea and nothing like he just has nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of Sandy Hook. So in this first clip

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<v Speaker 1>I have here, it has to do with a claim

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<v Speaker 1>that Alex made that Bloomberg had sent out an email

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<v Speaker 1>just before the Sandy Hook shooting, I think even the

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<v Speaker 1>night before he says to all of his people to

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<v Speaker 1>get ready because something big is going to happen and

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<v Speaker 1>they need to get their gun control agenda squared away.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is a question about his source, like on

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<v Speaker 1>that email. Let's talk about that Bloomberg email that comes

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<v Speaker 1>up this idea that there was an email sent the

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<v Speaker 1>day before Sandy Hook saying get ready next twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hour is there's gonna be a big event that email

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<v Speaker 1>You've been asked for that email and you say you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it right, we were. We were covering reports

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<v Speaker 1>of the email that was sent out to the activiscripts

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<v Speaker 1>that have been on the news. Where were you covering it?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean were you're covering it? Um? We

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<v Speaker 1>were covering the reports of them activating their their their

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<v Speaker 1>anti gun rights organization. Okay, well, see here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Mr Jones. At first, I thought there must be some

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<v Speaker 1>email coincidentally sent on the day before Sandy Hook that

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberger as people sent that you must be willfully misinterpreting

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. But the problem is, nobody who's

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<v Speaker 1>looked at this has been able to find any evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that such an email has ever existed. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know if you can excuse it. Well, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not taking your person that's the case. Well, I'm asking

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I've asked you questions and discovery and you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been able to produce that email to me, have you? Well,

0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.599
<v Speaker 1>you guys are asking it. We have an email in

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<v Speaker 1>our emails. I was reporting on other news reports about

0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and alert they put out to their group, right, could

0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you find those reports if I identify your source? Um? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you can hold back a source if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to. But I remember being online, I can try

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<v Speaker 1>to go find that again. What do you mean you

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<v Speaker 1>can hold back a source if you want to do

0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.720
<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? I mean? I mean if I

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<v Speaker 1>have a conventional source on something, I don't allow to

0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.320
<v Speaker 1>hold back the conventional source for their protection. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what's happened on this case. I remember the news

0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.160
<v Speaker 1>articles about it that we reported on, So you can

0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.880
<v Speaker 1>find those, right, I should be able to. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>this was in his twenty nineteen deposition. Let's remember this

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<v Speaker 1>is three years ago. He has had plenty of time

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<v Speaker 1>to find this email. Yes, And so here is him

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<v Speaker 1>in the December one deposition being asked about this again.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember we talked in that last deposition about

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<v Speaker 1>the Bloomberg email. We're Bloomberg send an email out to

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<v Speaker 1>his people, said ready in the next twenty four hours,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a big event. You remember that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a new story. Yuh yeah. And then we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it for a while because you had brought that

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<v Speaker 1>up to me. You were like, look, I don't have

0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.320
<v Speaker 1>the email itself. That was something I was reporting on.

0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I had, there was a story about it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was reporting on it. You remember that, and then you

0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.080
<v Speaker 1>remember you told me you could find it for me, right, Yeah,

0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I believe I shaid that, and then you never gave it.

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest with you, you don't really inhabit much. In

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, you don't have much respect for any of

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<v Speaker 1>this process, do you know? I don't think you have

0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>respect for America. Okay, that's that's an interesting that's an

0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.359
<v Speaker 1>interesting move, Cotton. Let's see how that place for it. Yeah,

0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, you gotta you gotta last out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit when you have been over years unable to produce

0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the nonsense source that you have for for this claim.

0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's characteristic of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that they you know, obviously, the the questioning

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<v Speaker 1>is like where did this stuff come from? Where where

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.240
<v Speaker 1>we're what were you working off of? And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>there's an inability to even like pretend that his reporting

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<v Speaker 1>is based on anything, right, Robert, do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>favorite show or like a favorite episode of a favorite

0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.480
<v Speaker 1>show that you can rewatch over and over and over. Yeah,

0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for sure a bunch of them. Yeah. Yeah,

0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.240
<v Speaker 1>So for me, it's Cowboy Bebop and there's this episode

0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:26.160
<v Speaker 1>speak like a child. That's almost like dialogue less, you know,

0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's just this great soundtrack and I can watch

0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it over and over and over again, and I feel

0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that way for the first time about a deposition, like

0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I can watch Alex get dismantled by Mark Bankston over

0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and over and over again without ever getting bored. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't get moments like these. You don't terrible

0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:56.280
<v Speaker 1>people where it's just uh, like all it's almost like

0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:01.880
<v Speaker 1>he's it's almost like cosmic judgment. It's like it's like

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.520
<v Speaker 1>seeing somebody before an omnipotent judgment that's just like, no,

0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this is wrong, and this is wrong and this is

0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.280
<v Speaker 1>what you did right. And he just hast like he's

0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:15.280
<v Speaker 1>in front of fucking a Nubis with yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's something else. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Check out this fucking feather. It wakes a million pounds

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and it is still not heavy enough. You piece of ship.

0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.240
<v Speaker 1>So what you you noticed there? How Alex, when you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of backed into a corner, lashes out and he's like,

0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't care about that America. Um. He does lit

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<v Speaker 1>a bit in these deposition settings, and when confronted about

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<v Speaker 1>some of these ideas about Sandy Hook. One of the

0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.920
<v Speaker 1>things he does in these depositions, I think it is

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.520
<v Speaker 1>probably terribly advised, really bad decision, is to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>imply that he still thinks Sandy Hook was fake. Again bold.

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<v Speaker 1>Second of all, you, Mr Jones, you understand this jury

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<v Speaker 1>is going to watch the video of you saying unequivocally

0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.200
<v Speaker 1>not I see how people could think this, but unequivocally

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<v Speaker 1>saying Sandy Hook completely Oh no, Mr Jones, you don't

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.679
<v Speaker 1>get to interrupt me. You understand that, sir. You're here

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.119
<v Speaker 1>to ask questions from this jury, and I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to the questions. You know, this jury is

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna watch videos of you saying multiple times, over and

0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.399
<v Speaker 1>over again, Sandy Hook is completely fake, completely synthetic. It

0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.439
<v Speaker 1>is not real, right, And you're gonna sit here in

0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.000
<v Speaker 1>this chair and say, oh, actually what I said. Actually

0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.399
<v Speaker 1>what I said is I could see how some other

0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.879
<v Speaker 1>people could think it was fake. You know, the jury

0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 1>is gonna see those videos, and you know they're gonna

0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.800
<v Speaker 1>hear your words. Do you think that they should take

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.119
<v Speaker 1>you seriously whatsoever? When they can see you saying the

0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:50.119
<v Speaker 1>things you said you didn't say? I know I know

0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that the jury is gonna say I always heard that

0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.679
<v Speaker 1>people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven

0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.200
<v Speaker 1>how guilty they choose, and that the system is actually

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<v Speaker 1>scared for me to put on evidence the truth is down.

0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I have still have real questions about Sandy Hook and

0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the anomalies and what's going on, and

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the CIA visiting Adam landsa before it happened in the

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>FBI that was in the mainstream news, and just all

0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.399
<v Speaker 1>the bizarreness that went on. The public still has real questions,

0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just like to do about Jesse Smollett or the Roe v.

0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Wade babying that never actually died, or w M D's

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>in Iraq, or just the Gulf of Tonkin or Operation

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Northwoods or Bubba Wallace or or you know, so many

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.200
<v Speaker 1>of these things that have happened. Most of these hate

0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.000
<v Speaker 1>crimes and type things end up being false flags. So

0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I still when I look at events, question and say

0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>could this could this be stays and we look for

0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 1>telltell signs. So yeah, his mind always retreats back to

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.879
<v Speaker 1>like hate crimes are fake. Yeah that is that is

0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of a safe harbor for him. Yeah, yeah, that

0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that that It is interesting to see him kind of

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.560
<v Speaker 1>go back to what he considers base, you know, like

0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.720
<v Speaker 1>a kid playing Tag or something, but with you know, yeah,

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.679
<v Speaker 1>like you have racism. You know know what else is like

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the game Tag but with racism. No, that's not a

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>good way to lead. Well, it's time for ads anyway.

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:22.159
<v Speaker 1>So here's some fucking ads. We're back. Here's some fucking ads.

0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Hey listen, Dick wads. Buy some ship or die. Yeah, hey,

0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker's get a bed, Buy a fucking mattress. You already

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.400
<v Speaker 1>got a mattress. I don't give a ship. Put it somewhere,

0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.919
<v Speaker 1>put it on the fucking floor and use it as

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.800
<v Speaker 1>a chair. God damn it, you cowards. Do you have

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the mattress? I bet it didn't come in as small

0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:46.159
<v Speaker 1>of the boxes. This one just get really abusive, Like

0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.480
<v Speaker 1>what is it Dick's last resort where the way staff

0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>gets to curset you or whatever. Yeah, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a but I think every town has their version of that.

0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 1>We had a couple of friends. Some places it's just

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:07.639
<v Speaker 1>waff house kid rock. That's a boxing ring. So here's

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.200
<v Speaker 1>another club of Alex retreating to basically just saying like

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Hook is probably actually fake. Can you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>admit that for the jury that you said, then they're

0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>going to see the videos. They should investigate Sandy Hook themselves.

0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 1>They should look into it themselves and see why people

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:29.680
<v Speaker 1>ask questions. You hope they don't know. I really hope

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 1>they That's not going to play well in a courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think

0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna I don't think that's gonna fly. Dan. I

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.439
<v Speaker 1>just don't think that's gonna do great for him. All right,

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 1>your honor, I recognize that you have already found me

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>guilty in a oddly specific circumstance that happens once a

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. However, have you considered that maybe all of

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you are wrong and I've been right the whole time. Yeah.

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I was in the room when he said that, and

0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I almost gasped. It's very hard to like hold in

0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 1>my like, oh, that's a bad idea. That's why I

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 1>was not invited. Yeah. So this next clip is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit longer because like some of these deposition

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:28.120
<v Speaker 1>clips obviously are like questions and answers, and so they

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:30.679
<v Speaker 1>they can they can be a bit bit longer. But

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that this is something that's that's kind of

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>relevant and it's worth it, and this is this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>uh Mark the attorney asking Alex about uh an email

0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 1>that Wolfgang how Big sent to a family member of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the victims at Sandy Hook and Alex's response

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and then I'm gonna go ahead and read

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<v Speaker 1>this email to you. It says Nick and Laura Phelps

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<v Speaker 1>did a great job acting in Newtown on Newtown, Connecticut

0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>on December. I visited their home today at nineteen four

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<v Speaker 1>Westover Reserve Boulevard, Windmere, Florida, three four seven eight six,

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 1>And thanks to Lieutenant Van Gaily telling me during my

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>wellness check of Nick and Laura Phelps that they no

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>longer live in Newtown, Connecticut and that they are now,

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.199
<v Speaker 1>and they are now Richard and Jennifer Sexton. Guess what?

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 1>He is totally right? And can you believe it that

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>my Newtown Police Department guided me in the right direction.

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 1>They have a beautiful home with a three car garage.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 1>They were not home today, but the good news was

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.439
<v Speaker 1>that the three adult female moms with their children standing

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.199
<v Speaker 1>outside their homes observed me and wanted to know what

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I was doing it was spring break. It is spring

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 1>break for Orange County, Florida school show showed them this

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<v Speaker 1>picture and I told them that I did not want

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to go to the wrong house to surprise Nick and

0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>Laura from Newtown, Connecticut a k a. Richard and Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>Sexton today. I took a few minutes for them to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the pictures, and then when they asked why

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to speak to them, I told them that

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<v Speaker 1>I had been in Newtown and wanted to surprise them

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>since they now live in Florida. They asked for my name,

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<v Speaker 1>which I gave them as Wolfgang how big. They told

0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 1>me how I would know them, knew them? And I

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>told them that they had. They have been on the

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.120
<v Speaker 1>national news, so I wanted to meet them again. Our

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 1>conversation was all about Newtown, Connecticut, so she said, do

0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you mind if I text her? I said absolutely not

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 1>waited about ten minutes, only to learn that they did

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>not know me, which surprised me. They verified the pictures

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and why would she text them about Newtown, Connecticut and

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>that someone from there wanted to visit if they had

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 1>If they were not Nick and Laura Phelps, now Richard

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and Jennifer Sexton. At first, I did not want to

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 1>enter since it is a gated community, but several people

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:46.719
<v Speaker 1>told me just go on in there. There is no

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 1>security guard at the gates. If there is CCTV, they

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>will see me being told to go in, and that

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>is the only reason or I would not have entered. Now,

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>who says law enforcement does not know what they are doing?

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Thank you Newtown Connect to get police. Can you turned

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<v Speaker 1>the document over? First of all, I read an email, Yes, okay,

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 1>And then on the back you see there's a picture

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.679
<v Speaker 1>here right, Yes, And at the top it says Sandy

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Hook hoax actors. Correct, yes, and it has arrows pointing

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to the phelps right, and that the bottom it says

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>playing the part of grief stricken parents. Correct. Yes, there's

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>a horrible email, isn't it. I've never seen this female

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>and it's um. Yes, I don't like this email. And

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 1>again this is someone else, wolf king how Big after

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I had already clearly knew that he cracked up. And

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.959
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's that's not my work. The next question

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that's asked is about how Alex did a video after

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>this repeating Wolf Gang how bigs claims um so yeah,

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>that's some of the reality of what the like people

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>who are being promoted by Alex, and Alex was helping

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.000
<v Speaker 1>them raise money for their activities. These were the things

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>that wolf Gang how Big was doing. Yeah, and it's

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 1>tough to it's tough to listen into not which because

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.199
<v Speaker 1>it's so long, but at the same time, like it

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 1>is part of it is part of the length of it.

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>That is the torture as well of like, no, there's

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>no way you can continue going on, and everything he

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.679
<v Speaker 1>does is just another fucking shovelful of dirt in the

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>grave of misery. And it's just a fucking awful Yeah,

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's literally like when you actually peel

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>back and think about what's going on here, a crank

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>is stalking people whose children were killed. Um. Hey, but

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 1>at least he's getting paid for it. Alex is paying

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.399
<v Speaker 1>him because all he cares about is that it it

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 1>fills their time, you know, and maybe we'll get him

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about on the news, which which which brings in traffic. Well,

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>at very least if Alex isn't paying him, he's promoting

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the organization that takes donations. The Wolfgang is running, so

0:26:55.240 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, indirect pay. Yeah, it's just disgusting. Um so.

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>But Alex at least has the kind of base intelligence

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of being able to be like that suck, are you okay? Now?

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Even I when listening to that, like you almost want

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>him to say even I, you know, like at least

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>an admittance of like, listen, I don't believe ship, but

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>this is bad. You would expect me to be thrilled

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>by exactly You would expect me to say, this is great.

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Um so. One of the reasons that Alex ended up

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>getting the default judgment was because he kept sending incompetent

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and unprepared people to be the corporate representative for the company.

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>He sent rob Do twice and he couldn't answer any

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>of the questions. And then he sent Daria Carpova, who's

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>one of his off air talents at info Wars, and

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>she was actually asked about this exact same email that

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 1>we just heard, and in contrast to Alex's response, here's

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>what she thought of it. An email to them, creep

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you out you personally, Jack Form, I'm creeping me out

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the way you're reading it. Yes, I don't creep you out.

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 1>To have Wolfgang hobbis showing up these people's houses and

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 1>describing their three car garage and all that stuff, accusing

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.360
<v Speaker 1>them of being people that they are not actually are.

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't that doesn't have any you know, have any

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 1>strong feelings one we or another on that fraction form correct? Yeah?

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Are you asking my personal opinion? Yeah, your personal opinion?

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Um strikes me as a passion man who's doing an

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>investigation something he believes in his own hardened wants to

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>get to the bottom of. She's terrifying. She scares to

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>me so much. I've listened to that clip. How many

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 1>times have you played that for? Like four? I don't know.

0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>In the yeah, yeah, that's it, She's terrifying. It's it's

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a bizarre to be able to hear those words almost

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>like isn't that email wolf getting is almost like relishing

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the telling of like I was in their space, it's

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it's sick, yeah, And to hear like the response from

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex is the socially appropriate response, and then from Daria

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean trying to rationalize

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>super creep doom if if if if you've ever seen

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie one of those found footage horror movies

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:36.479
<v Speaker 1>where somebody has like that personal camera and they just

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>continue looking at somebody while they're asleep, and you're aware

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>that nobody else knows about this, and this is a

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>first person look that is terrifying. And you can see

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Daria being like, well, I mean it's just a good

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>idea to keep an eye on them while they're asleep, right,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't want them to have what if

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>they have sleep apnea, you might you might be in trouble.

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>And that's why you need to constantly videotape strangers kids

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>while they sleep, because what if they get hurt? Said, Look,

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>you're joking about that, but I do support not you

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>know what, that's not even a good start that we

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>don't we don't we don't need that. We don't need Yeah,

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't need that bit um you know watches you

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>while you're asleep. Well, yes, actually some of our sponsors.

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>But that is why people pay for them. Listen, what's

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>good good so um. One of the things that is

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>a hallmark of Alex's discussion about his lawsuits is that like,

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he did everything right and he's just getting jammed up

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a complete setup and and a fraud. Um,

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and so this, this clip from his deposition is a

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>really interesting glimpse into how he seems to not even

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>be aware of how he didn't do anything he was

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>asked to do. You've repeatedly said that this, this court

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>pro says, this lawsuit, what just happened is all a

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>sham because you turned everything over and that court still

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>default did you anyway? Right? Um? Yes, Owen Troyer, you

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>never sent him one deposition, one document request, one thing,

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>and he was defaulted along with me. And if that

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>isn't fraud, then nothing is okay. Hold on, I may

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>have to pull this order for you because do you

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 1>understand that in Mr Neil Hesson's case there was a

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>court order requiring Owen Troyer to appear for deposition? Do

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>you know that? I know he appeared for a deposition yesterday?

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>You asked for it after the default, No surge, Mr Jones.

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you understand that there was an order in August

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty one, eighteen asking Mr that requiring Owen Stroyer to

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>appear for deposition? Did you know that? I don't know

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.479
<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. Yeah, you didn't know that. You've

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>got on your show without even knowing what the discovery was. Yeah,

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>so Alex's it's it's when confronted with reality, doesn't even

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>know the things he has failed to do. Yeah, h

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a constant source of enjoyment for

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>for him to be like the alright, Alex, you know

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that this happened, and he's like, this happened like a

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>few months ago. I don't remember. I got damn bit

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of it. It's just it's just amazing that a person

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>can exist like this. It's fun too to think it's

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>some someday we will learn how much money he's spent

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>on these lawyers. I do believe that information will get

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>out one of these days, because they are they're just

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>not doing a thing for him. Not that not that

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>they could not, that he would listen, but he he doesn't.

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>He's not getting his money's worth. I'll say that much. Well.

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>The conversely, I'd like to propose that possibly they're doing

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>everything for him in terms of creating a pretense of

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>like I had incompetent lawyers, I could have won these

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>cases like he has the that to fall back on,

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>although better don't repeatedly have the lawyers as guests on

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>your show. Well, right, Barnes did have his own show

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>for a little and give one of them their own show. Yes. Well,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>one thing that we I don't know if it's in

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>a later clip, no, no, no fun Norm pattis forever, um. No.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>One thing later on is Bill will eventually say directly

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 1>to uh was it Owen Troyer. He was like, Hey,

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna sue your lawyers after this? Because look,

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm deposing you, and it's my advice that you sue

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>your lawyers after this. I don't think they have adequately

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>prepared you for. It's even funnier about that is that

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the reason he's saying it is to remind them that

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>should they win a lot of money from their lawyers,

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that money will be going to the city that would

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>be considered an assid Yeah, we are going to take

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>that as well. Yeah, and just say you know, yeah, yeah,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I don't think it's impossible they could

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>do a male practice. Yeah they've got it, They've got

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a chance. Yeah. So Um. One of the things that

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 1>has been a hallmark of these cases that UH Infra

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Wars has been subject to is that they don't seem

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to know what they're giving the lawyers in discovery. Um,

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>there was the child pornography. That was the stuff they

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>emails that they turned over to the Connecticut people. And

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>then in this case there was something that is unexplainable

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that they had that they turned over. It's fair to

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>say that Leonard Posner and Free speech Systems have had

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>an unfriendly relationship over the years. No, I'm not. I

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>don't really followed what he does. So about him? So

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you do follow him? Correct? I mean I don't. You

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>never refreshed my memory, so I will refresh your memory

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>about what you know about. Oh, I'm shave marks? Did

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 1>a five? Have you ever seen that before? No, not

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that I remember. What is it? That's the soul document

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you produced to me just a couple I guess a

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>month or two ago in regard to discovery request for

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.959
<v Speaker 1>any documents you have regarding Mr Posner. That's the sole

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>document that was in that folder label Posmer. That's it,

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and that you will agree with me. Appears to be

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a very large which could be about a hundred and

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven page comprehensive background report on Mr Posner. Correct,

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I never ran a background report on Posmer. I've never

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I've never even seen this. I understand that you probably

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>never even saw that. Someone emails this and then we

0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>opened it. I don't know, Mr Jones. You gave it

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to me. What am I supposed to know you about it?

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know you you tell me that. I mean,

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.399
<v Speaker 1>just go through the email. Most of it's not open

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>to just send you guys everything. This isn't an email,

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. I would imagine I'd never run a background

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>thing on positive one thing we can agree on because

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you look at the bottom of that document. It says

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 1>f S S t X dot A eight five five

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>four four correct. Yeah, that's a bigger members y'all use

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>when you give me documents. Right, So, this document right

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>here came from infu wars corporate files. I thought you

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>said we haven't given you any documents. I've said, whether

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you said we didn't get we were defaults, we gave

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>you a nothing. We didn't real respond you gave me

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>documents in the Lewis case in responsive to documents. Well,

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I listen. I I mean, I'm just telling

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you I've never looked at this. That's not what I'm

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>asking you, Mr Jones. The news about and Florida doing

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>a background thing on him, and so I figure somebody

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 1>might have sent us this. I'm just guessing. I think

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't guess. I don't know. Yeah, do you think

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you should be guessing what I just said? You're right,

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I I don't know what this So let's not do

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that anymore. That is upsetting. That's my favorite, My favorite

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the deposition really has to just be like,

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you sent this to me. I didn't come to you

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:19.399
<v Speaker 1>with a eighty seven page background check, Unletty Poor, where

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 1>did this come from? You tell me, man, you tell me.

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the creepier things that I think you

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>find in this these depositions is that info Wars turned

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>over this extensive background check on one of the parents

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of one of the kids that died at Sandy Hook,

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and no one seems to know where it came from

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>or why it's in their files because it wasn't in

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>an email. No, it was in their files. No, it

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was in their files that they sent. Yeah. I can't

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't stress enough how wild that is that you

0:37:54.320 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 1>can be essentially being sued out of oblivion and then

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>at the same time be like, we'll just send him everything.

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going to check. Nobody was like, hey,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 1>this h eight seven page background check on Lenny Posits.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>It's got like associates, addresses, and family members not gonna play.

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna play. Well, yeah, that is really creepy. Yeah.

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever done a background report on anybody? Uh,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Robert enemies that you need to do background checks on?

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean I haven't done a background I have done

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>background checks on on my enemies, but but not that

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of essentially No, No, that sounds tiring. Yeah, your

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>biggest background check so far has been kissing your obviously,

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And finally we finally nailed him to the wall. We

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>got him. Yeah, this is the it's the end of

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>his career. We did it canceled. It only took nineties years.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the jury was out until the podcast.

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank god, it finally tipped the balance for me. It's like,

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this guy is good news, you

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>know what. I'm starting to think this guy might have

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:15.919
<v Speaker 1>some bad qualities. Yea, so I just I mean it's

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>something that I don't think is going to be solved

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>by this case, no matter what happens. I don't know

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.800
<v Speaker 1>if anyone will ever publicly know why they had that

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>background check? Yeah, infurious, Yeah, yeah, because who did it? Yeah,

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of unanswered questions there. You know, you

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.320
<v Speaker 1>would have to think that it was some sort of

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>private investigator, right, probably or some firm. I mean, it's

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and eighty seven pages. It's not like he

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>went to the FBI. Yeah, the online thing, right, he

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't just file like for a criminal record, like somebody

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>stalked an So somebody a lot of Alex's like bodyguards, ex. Blackwater,

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>they have some like shady connection. No, totally, but that

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>does mean that there's somebody out there who put this

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.399
<v Speaker 1>background report together and could just be like, hey man,

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm the weirdo that did this ship. You know, you'd

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>hope there'd be some kind of forensic fingerprint somewhere. But

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>or I mean, I don't know, do we know if

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>it's accurate? Because like, is it possible somebody just grifted

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Alex fucking Douglas Adams novel about Lenny Posner. That would

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 1>be something let me do it. I think Alex would

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>fall for it. Um, but um, that seems like a

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of effort. Lenny Posner has never left his towel

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>at home though, So there is that. So I've got

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Owen Shroyer's deposition to jump to.

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>He is involved in the case because he did uhum

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a video where he was hosting the Fourth Hour or

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>not the Fourth Hour, it was it was hosting in

0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Alex's place on a Sunday show, and someone gave him

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>an article, um and and some videos where he just decided, hey,

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>we're going to report this as Neil Heslin couldn't have

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>held him his child. And one of the things that

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>oh And is very clear about is like someone gave

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>me this news to cover I didn't. I didn't check

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>it or anything. Um. And this is a clip where

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Bill Ogden, the other attorney in the case, UM, has

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to help Owen realize that he is a puppet. I

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know who edited that video, right. It could have

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 1>been someone in our house. It could have been someone

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>else on the internet that they found, right. You know what,

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you know what we can agree on. Nobody fact checked it.

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Nobody just said, man, that's crazy. When did he say this?

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Google up the interview and watch it. It's twenty minutes.

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't plan on covering the story that day, so

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I had no preconceived notion that I would even have

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.959
<v Speaker 1>to do that. I know, Mr Shroyer, you're here because

0:41:55.040 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>you were a puppet. You would agree with me, right you?

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.640
<v Speaker 1>You don't agree with me that you you know what

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 1>puppet is, correct? The puppet is an object that is

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>used to convey a message, but somebody else is actually

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:19.439
<v Speaker 1>controlling the message. Understand that, right, You were conveying a message, right, True,

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody else was controlling that message? True? No, No, who

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 1>who was controlling the message that you were putting out?

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Were you in control? What was the message you're referring

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 1>to that The coroner said he never released the children ever,

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>because that's the story you ran with. Who was in

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>control of that information? If you weren't, because you already

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>said you weren't in control of it, who was? Somebody

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>has to be whoever originally posted the video, So someone

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>else had control and you were conveying the message. We

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 1>just established that you were the puppet that day. There's

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to be directed.

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>It's analogous to where we are now. You agree, I

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>think if anybody is being used as a puppet, it

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 1>would be the people who are reporting the stories and

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just showing that information you were reporting the story,

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Mr Lawyer, if I cover So if I just pick

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>up anybody's new source and cover it, does that make

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>me a puppet? So if you don't fact check it,

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>absolutely okay, then I guess then I guess I'm a

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>puppet of zero Hedge in this case. No, that's actually

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 1>not true. You're a puppet of I coined Bank. Okay, puppet.

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>It's tough to have to look in the mirror like

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that to to uh to see that. Yeah, it is

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.240
<v Speaker 1>fun that we have Bill on the case, just because

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.319
<v Speaker 1>you could definitely see a lot of lawyers being like, well,

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna drop the puppet coming. I mean, it's

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>not like the puppet conversation adds a ton to the case.

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>But Bill is like, listen, I am gonna get you

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to say that you're a fucking puppet if it kills me,

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna win. God, that's satisfying. That's just that

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>just feels steels good, feels good to have in the world.

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Someone who brands themselves as like the destroyer of Cux.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 1>There's such they're all such owen. Especially this is less

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the case with really Alex, but like Owen is very

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>much cut in that right wing like debate guy personality. Um,

0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>but none of them actually like debate. All they know

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>how to do is have you know, they have media training.

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 1>They understand how things like look on film, and they

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 1>understand how to get sound bites, and they just kind

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>of go out to surprise people and get sound bites.

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.240
<v Speaker 1>And Owen can't edit this, he can't cut it apart,

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>he can't end the interaction, and he just gets revealed

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 1>as the the hollow man that he truly is. And

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.839
<v Speaker 1>it's it's m yeah, And I think I think that's

0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>what's so compelling, especially for me, about these like the

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>these glimpses, these depositions that you know, you get this

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>side of these folks that they aren't in control of. Yeah,

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's a disaster. Yeah. Now listening to it gives

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.399
<v Speaker 1>you such a like Thanksgiving dinner feel where you don't

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>even want to say anything, You just want to like

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>loosen your belts and lean back and be like, oh full,

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that was a delicious meal. I just got to eat there. Now,

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that Owen Shroyer's nickname is the cuck Slayer.

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, what else slaves Cox? What's up the products

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and services that support this podcast? What? It's fine? It's

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like a kink thing. Ah, we're back and we're talking

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>about cux. We have been. Yes, the fun kind that

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>everybody enjoys from occasion to occasion, you know, like that

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 1>what type is that? I mean? Like sometimes that kind

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>of sense of debasement can be a sexual pleasure that

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>many people have, you know, like like in a controlled environment,

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.839
<v Speaker 1>to feel as though one is you know, inferior can

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 1>be a turn on for many people. Okay, yeah, it's

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>not that. That's why Elon Musk stays on Twitter. So

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about Owen Troy. Yes, completely different kind

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of cock disc for sure. So one of the things

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a lot of fun throughout these depositions is

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you you you get to witness people learning stuff about

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the company they work for and the people around them. Um.

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that sometimes this is fairly genuine. Um, as

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 1>is the case in this this clip where Owen gets

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>to learn about, uh, some people who might like mass

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>shooters Michael Zimmerman. Do you know who he is? Yes?

0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Is he? Are you friends with him? I would say

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>we're friends, but I mean, we don't hang out or

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>talk that often. But do you have a somewhat professional

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and PERI saw him in public, ID go say hello? Sure? Okay? Um,

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.759
<v Speaker 1>he seemed like a good guy. Yeah, And I opposed him.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>He came off very respectful. He was. He was shockingly nice.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Um for a white nationalist. Would has he ever shared

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>any of his opinions or views on mass shootings with you?

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Not that I can recall? Were you aware that? Do you?

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the christ Church shooting, New Zealand? Yes,

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>christ Church, New Zealand shooting and he's live streamed. Yes, Um,

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Tarrant was the shooter. He executed a bunch of

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Muslims at a mosque. Something refreshing the details of the

0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>event for me right now? Um. Do you know whether

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 1>or not anyone who Info worse claimed it was a

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 1>false flag? No? I'm unaware. Okay. Did you know that

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>some individuals and info wars liked that shooting? No? Did

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you know? Um? Do you understand that Michael Zimmerman handles

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the I T stuff for in for Worse m H

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>attraction for um? I know that he was doing I T.

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if that is still his role. Did

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know that on March four, two thousand nineteen, Mr

0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Zimmerman registered the domain Tarrant Manifesto dot com. No, boy, No?

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that he registered the website shooter chan

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>dot org. Did you know you know who Timothy Thrift is? Yes?

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a personal relationship with him? Work acquaintance? Okay?

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that he registered the website st Tarrant

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 1>dot com? Boy a shooter Brandon Tarrant? How do you

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>feel about the people that you work with who you

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>have somewhat of a personal relationship registering these type of

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:18.280
<v Speaker 1>websites immediately after a mass shooting that was live stream

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to the world. I'm pretty surprised. I think that's a

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.600
<v Speaker 1>surprising thing. I would be surprising. Yeah, you really don't

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>ever want to be asked in court? Are you aware

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 1>that your coworker made the website shooter chant That is

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>that is just not a question you want to get

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:39.879
<v Speaker 1>asked really ever, but especially Yeah, yeah, not a question

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you want to be asked. It makes the argument tougher.

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Um when there's multiple people who are like like making

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 1>websites that are presumably about celebrating a mass shooter too

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to argue that you're not engaged in some form of

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>stochastic terrorism. Hey, a bunch of your friends worked at Auschwitz.

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:00.080
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about that? Did you know, oh

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that they were, because that maybe that would kind of

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>suggest that you're also it's it's a bad it's a

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:12.719
<v Speaker 1>bad thing to be surprised by. Yeah, actually, maybe it's

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>better to be surprised. Yeah if he was like, oh, yeah,

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>of course I knew that, buddy, have an account on it.

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I think what's fun about that, though, is that exemplifies

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that is uh consistent throughout all

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of the Info Wars depositions is like a weird k

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>genus about the wrong thing, you know, like whether or

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>not we're friends. Yeah. Yeah, they were like, hey, you know,

0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know is the sky blue today? Like you

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:47.759
<v Speaker 1>don't even know the answer to that. Well, yeah, I

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 1>killed those guys, but like is the sky And you're like, no, no,

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you're wrong man, yep yep, um, so the like, Like

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier, the one of the reasons, the primary reason,

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 1>one of the primary reasons that Alex ended up losing

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.440
<v Speaker 1>these cases by default was sending these people who couldn't

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>handle being corporate representatives. When they are sent as corporate representatives,

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>they're supposed to testify as the company. So there is

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>a responsibility that they have to prepare, get all their

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>their business in order and basic understanding of the case. Yeah. Yeah,

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're supposed to. I mean, they're given a list

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>of topics that they're supposed to testify on on behalf

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>of the company, things like you know, personnel, the who

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 1>worked on this video, what are the sources for this video?

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Those kinds of things, and they have whiffed it every

0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 1>single time. It has been a disaster. Um rob Do

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>when he was in it was funny because he was

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>wearing a tangle hat and he just seemed scared and confused.

0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I really, while you're asking me these questions, what I

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 1>would like you to start with is treat me more

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like a fourth grader who doesn't know what business means.

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Could you begin at the like what ease money? See?

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 1>He he was He's a lot of fun. But unfortunately

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of like things you can really

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>pull from it that really exemplify his stupidity. Um, it's

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 1>a really it's more of a totality, right that kind

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>of exemplifies what he's doing. However, Daria, when she was

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.880
<v Speaker 1>testifying as the corporate representative, I think there's a bit

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:39.880
<v Speaker 1>more stuff that that sticks out as like, this is

0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 1>someone testifying on behalf of the company and this is

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a mess. Yea. So she had brought in a folder

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:52.080
<v Speaker 1>full of exhibits that she wanted to discuss in the

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:56.719
<v Speaker 1>course of the deposition, and here is Mark bringing up

0:52:56.840 --> 0:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the first one. You recognize that, correct, that's a document

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that you reviewed part of this deposition, right, That is

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the Wikipedia entry for false flag correct. Yes, okay, can

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you tell me why you looked at this document? Oh boy,

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be a good idea to bring

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it as a reference to some of the points for

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:30.280
<v Speaker 1>topic number one. If I could have the list of topics,

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:33.240
<v Speaker 1>that would help me to identify the exhibits. I understand

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:35.959
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying. Let's do that. So, yes, she brought

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Wikipedia print out. It's good. No, no,

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that's good. That shows like a willingness to engage with no. No, no,

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of course, that's the beauty of it, just like with

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the background report, except for way funnier. It's just it's

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it's very funny because it's like It's it's both like

0:53:55.080 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>incredibly like deeply irresponsible and also like some thing, uh,

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:04.040
<v Speaker 1>your grandma might do totally like I heard you had

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 1>a big case today, Honey. I was looking at some

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 1>things up online and I just said, Linda, and I

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 1>wanted to support you in your your skits. I really

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to. But it's also like it would it would

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>fail a high school paper if you yes. So it's

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a it's a bad look. And uh, it was befuddling.

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh you have the print out of Wikipedia for a

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>false flag? Why did you bring this to me? Is

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>such a is such a consistent question that all of

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the depositions have of Like we you know, we asked

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you for specific things. You could have brought those and

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.880
<v Speaker 1>we could have dealt with that. Instead you brought me

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a Wikipedia page. So let's figure out why this makes

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you even more guilty than you were yesterday. So so

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Daria as the company was supposed to testify about these

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>videos that are in the plaintiffs petition, and it was

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear at the beginning of the deposition that she

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:05.759
<v Speaker 1>had not actually watched them, um, but then later in

0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the deposition she appeared to have watched some of them.

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 1>And so this exchange happens. See, they're talking about an

0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 1>April video called Sandy Vampires Exposed. You understand that that

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.879
<v Speaker 1>is the video that Mr Posner and Mrs Delarissa based

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 1>their defamation claim on. Did you know that? Okay? Did

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you know that when preparing for this stepo? Did you

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 1>know that? Yes? Okay? Did you watch that video? I mean,

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:41.600
<v Speaker 1>unless you've watched it in the last couple of hours,

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you haven't watched it, right for this deposition, I'm familiar

0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 1>with the video. Did you watch it in preparing for

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 1>this deposition? Though? Yes? Okay? When did you watch it? Earlier? Today?

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 1>During the break when it became apparent that you hadn't

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 1>watched these videos, you wouldn't try to watch this video.

0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:11.960
<v Speaker 1>You didn't watch the whole thing, though, did you? No? Right,

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:18.800
<v Speaker 1>so you didn't watch this video? Pieces of this video? Correct?

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:21.359
<v Speaker 1>How many pieces did you watch? How many minutes total

0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>did you watch? This video? Did not count? So this

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>is the level of respect that the people who are

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 1>the corporate representatives for INFOS are showing the proceedings. It's

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:37.800
<v Speaker 1>it's bad stuff. Yeah, that's um. I feel like I

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 1>could have done a better job representing INFO wars. I

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:47.919
<v Speaker 1>want the worst for them. No, your your testimony would

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>have been more effective at keeping them from receiving a

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>default judgment their own, just because of like my basic

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:59.399
<v Speaker 1>sense of politeness, in total fairness, just for the sake

0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>of clarity. This, the Daria deposition, was after the default judgments,

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:07.280
<v Speaker 1>so this didn't contribute to that. It did bring sanctions.

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 1>It is certainly evidence of why the default judgment happened. Yes,

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and listening to it is a little bit if you've

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>ever had that friend who just lies about everything for

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 1>no reason, not necessarily a friend, but like the person

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you knew, like yeah, yeah, totally, and and then just

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to see somebody have to like no longer can dissemble,

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 1>no longer can lie, just eventually has to come down

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and say fine. I watched the video ten minutes ago,

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and I watched about five minutes of it. Is that

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:44.240
<v Speaker 1>what you wanted to hear? I could have said that

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 1>at the first start, but you have forced me during

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:52.919
<v Speaker 1>a bathroom break, watched a little bit. I had urine

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 1>blasting out of me whilst I watched this fucking video.

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Pretty grim again. So the last couple of clips that

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I have here from these depositions are is the most

0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 1>upsetting thing I think I heard other than Wolfgang how

0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:15.960
<v Speaker 1>bigs emails. Those are deeply, deeply disturbing. Um but U

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Daria when she was giving her deposition, she's asked about

0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 1>wolf Gang how Big had sent to info Wars a

0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 1>picture of the Sandy Hook choir that sang at the

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl, UH that year, and UH. The argument was

0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that the kids who were quote unquote killed at Sandy

0:58:36.680 --> 0:58:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Hook were in the choir and it was like rubbing

0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>it in America's faces because it was a false flag

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 1>and all of this. And so this got sent to

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 1>info Wars, and then someone at info Wars I believe

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it might have been a Don Salazar rope back thank you.

0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 1>He thanked wolf Gang for this email. And so this

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:05.200
<v Speaker 1>this image becomes a little bit of a bizarre jumping

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 1>off point for again Daria testifying on behalf of the company,

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you would if somebody sent you this while you were

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:17.440
<v Speaker 1>doing reporting, you would thank them for it. I don't know,

0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it depends on circumstances. I wasn't there when Nico was

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 1>having this exchange what information he had at that time?

0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Why I'm asking you, what if you have this information,

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a picture that says at the top tin Sandy Hooked,

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:36.040
<v Speaker 1>children found alive and will and then the Super Bowl

0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 1>choir from millions of people. Would you look at that

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and go, man, I'm glad then sent me that? Personally,

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I would rather think that those kids were alive then

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:59.560
<v Speaker 1>then having because the tragedy of kids being murdered for

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:04.760
<v Speaker 1>no reason, um, the innocence of those children who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>deserve what that that kind of fate. I would hold

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<v Speaker 1>out hope to the last bit of my soul, hoping

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<v Speaker 1>and praying that that picture was that that was something

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<v Speaker 1>that be possible for those kids to be alive. So

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<v Speaker 1>is that how you would you would see that? Robert? No, No, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a weird that's a weird call for her

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<v Speaker 1>to make. I mean she must have just that has

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<v Speaker 1>to have been in the moment right now that thinks

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<v Speaker 1>calculated that, like you would not calculate and arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>that as like your your decision. Oh no, totally. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I remember this clip and the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>liken it to is like that John Ronson psychopath test

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<v Speaker 1>uh story. You know, it's like a psychopath goes to

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<v Speaker 1>a funeral and meet somebody that they're romantically interested in,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in order to meet them again, they kill

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else because they meet that person at funerals. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a very logical thought process, so long as

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<v Speaker 1>you have absolutely no empathy or or concept of other

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<v Speaker 1>human beings being valuable. Right, Yeah, how how can something

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<v Speaker 1>this fucked up actually be a good thing? Yeah? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like, there's no way that a human being

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<v Speaker 1>could react like that. Yeah, And and hearing that, you

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<v Speaker 1>you'd think that, like, well, she's just saying that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna be a she kind of sticks on

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<v Speaker 1>that that on that tip and and stands by this.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems so if you think about it from your

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, if you think about it, if the

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<v Speaker 1>parents of my clients saw this picture, you should give

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot of right. They should they should react

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<v Speaker 1>really positively to this, with a lot of hope inside. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Objection form is that what you're saying. I'm not those parents.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at it as an outsider, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>much rather and I don't know a person with a

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<v Speaker 1>heart would rather think, who would rather believe that the

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<v Speaker 1>kids are dead versus that the kids might be alive?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it's reasonable for a person with a

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<v Speaker 1>heart to have that sort of optimism as as as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sure Alex wanted to believe that those kids.

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<v Speaker 1>If there was any possibility kids were not dead, then

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to grab onto it, because that's a

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<v Speaker 1>much better proposition to have in your heart and mind

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<v Speaker 1>than two to realize that they were so Alex Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>according to how the company used things in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>your Sandy Hook coverage, Alex Jones said the kids didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really die and they were really alive, in part because

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<v Speaker 1>he has such a big heart and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>hope and optimism for he's a dreamer objection form. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not the only one, some have said, Alex Jess. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I found that to be with the most disturbing thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the at least as an idea in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the depositions that um saying that the kids weren't dead

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<v Speaker 1>and that they were being paraded out to sing at

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl is an expression of love and optimism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the stret pretty bleak. I mean, wouldn't you really

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<v Speaker 1>hope that Nagasaki was a false flag? Right? Like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>you want to believe that no one would really drop

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear bomb on a city, And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's a good idea to just deny that

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<v Speaker 1>anybody died. Yeah, why would you want to believe cancers real? Really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>If it's anyone with heart, medical science is lying about

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<v Speaker 1>cancer in order to keep us in fear. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty fascinating the thoughts that had to have occurred

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<v Speaker 1>in her head to wind up saying those things. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be amazing to be inside that little brain,

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<v Speaker 1>just just watching those connections pop together. Could you not?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you not see yourself being like held underwater by

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<v Speaker 1>Daria and her being like, listen, I can't believe how

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<v Speaker 1>good it is that I'm strangling you and drowning you

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<v Speaker 1>to death right now because of how nice I am

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<v Speaker 1>as a person. Leaving Jordan's fantasies aside, Sure, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is that a fantasy? Well? I did make a CUK

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<v Speaker 1>reference earlier, You did? You did? There is an element

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<v Speaker 1>to it too that's added. That is that you know

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<v Speaker 1>someone had these thoughts, decided this was gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>angle we're taking, doubled down on it. And that also

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be someone who's higher up at info Wars

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<v Speaker 1>and they chose to be their corporate representative testifying for

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<v Speaker 1>the company. It's not like this is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>she's had some kind of a messed up, weird done

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<v Speaker 1>thought like it's it's it's wild. The glimpse that you

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<v Speaker 1>get through these depositions is just such a harrowing picture

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are so disrespectful to the very idea

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<v Speaker 1>that they did something wrong or the organization did something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that they're really valuable glimpse into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And what we're gonna see in the near future

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<v Speaker 1>is very likely some some interesting developments over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the the cases as they come to fruition. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we'll we'll see uh so even and some more

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<v Speaker 1>information come out, I would assume, Wow, well, boys, rob Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like we've all transitioned. It's lovely to

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<v Speaker 1>have you in the position where you're not usually in.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you finish your script, usually your guest

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<v Speaker 1>is like, Jesus fucking Christ, did you know that we're

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<v Speaker 1>on a show called Behind the Bastards? And this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>a real bad dude. One of my favorite things to

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<v Speaker 1>do to relax is to watch videos of people attempting

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<v Speaker 1>and to cut down trees and generally fucking up in

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<v Speaker 1>a major way. And usually these videos are like That's

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<v Speaker 1>why sometimes a great notion is my favorite novel. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that joke Ken Ken Kesey. Never mind, okay, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I've only read uh uh oh wait, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>kid Casey. He's just in it. Never mind. I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of Tom Wolf. Um. But I like watching these

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<v Speaker 1>because you'll see like somebody making this chain of decisions

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<v Speaker 1>where Okay, I have this very tall tree, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>two ft tall, and it's right in front of my house.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to pay for someone. I'm gonna remove

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<v Speaker 1>it on my own. I'm gonna winch myself up on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it. I'm gonna have my kids hold onto

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<v Speaker 1>ropes to try to pull it to the right side,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna cut the area above me that my

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<v Speaker 1>like line is attached to. And then everything goes wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and they wind up like impaling themselves under chainsaw and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to deep fry a frozen turkey at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. At the same time, it's it's like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like this string of Wow, none of you,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't think through what the next step of this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be, because you just kind of figured

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<v Speaker 1>it would go away because none of this, none of

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<v Speaker 1>this feels in any way calculated. Um, it's too incompetent

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and it's going too badly for to them

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<v Speaker 1>for that. It's just like they weren't aware. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>why watching someone learn about gravity as they fall off

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<v Speaker 1>a mount. Well, I mean, the the incompetence is the

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation of it. But there is a strategy, and that

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<v Speaker 1>strategy is coming to an end. Now. The strategy is

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<v Speaker 1>the kicking the can down the road appealing. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>so there was like a legal strategy that clearly was

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<v Speaker 1>being employed. I even saw it with Alex in the

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<v Speaker 1>Connecticut deposition recently, where he pretended he was sick and

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't go. Um, it's just an attempt to delay the inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really don't. I mean that that gravity analogy

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<v Speaker 1>is good except for there's this other part where it's like, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>this is their first time learning about gravity because they've

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<v Speaker 1>been jumping off a thousand foot buildings for years and

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<v Speaker 1>having no consequences for it, you know, on their listeners. Totally, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>so They've got this such a comfortable landing every time

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<v Speaker 1>they fall so hard that they're like, why am I

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<v Speaker 1>bouncing and bleeding on the sidewalk right now? I've been bouncing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been flying the whole time, you know. Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast over, everyone go home, you guys, your plug doubles.

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<v Speaker 1>While we all sit and think about well what I

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<v Speaker 1>actually first, Dan, what do you think is gonna happen next?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they gonna Are they gonna lose all their money? Um? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fairly confident it's gonna He's gonna lose a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be like it couldn't be like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times you get these things where it's like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the bad guy lost a case, and then it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh and they get a slap on the wrist, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Sacklers, where it's like, well, that's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hurt them in any way. But this doesn't feel like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Alex isn't in great financial straits to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with, Like I think he's uh in for wars,

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<v Speaker 1>is fairly precariously balanced on a ledge um And then

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, I think I think these gonna get hit

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<v Speaker 1>with a pretty I mean, you have cases in Texas, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>the Fontane case still being active. Uh, there's there is

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<v Speaker 1>a number of blows he's going to take and he's

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<v Speaker 1>already you know, squeezed his audience pretty hard in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what he's able to to make. Uh. That way,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think I wouldn't be too surprised if

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<v Speaker 1>he's um asking to do a podcast on a network soon,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be happy to have him. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt that the goal is to bankrupt him so

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<v Speaker 1>he can never do the show again. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>they succeed in that goal is uh, you know, up

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. But that is that does seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, here's what we're gonna shoot for, and if

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<v Speaker 1>we negotiate down from there, it's gonna be fucking close.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. If I think of the sentence that would

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<v Speaker 1>be just for him. He'd be hooked up to a

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<v Speaker 1>little buzzer that could deliver like a shock that didn't hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>but like stopped him from whatever he was doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he would be forced to host a daily podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on the show ninety Day Fiance, where if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to say anything that wasn't directly about the show,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd get a little buzz. So if he had to

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<v Speaker 1>just actually watch it doesn't matter what reality show. But

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<v Speaker 1>every day he has to watch and comment on that

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<v Speaker 1>show without talking about anything else, without getting into politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he allowed to be racist about contestants and put

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, because then he could do it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna say no racist counter for you. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a counter for you, all right. Two words, wicker Man,

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<v Speaker 1>three additional words. Not the bees, Not the bees, Not

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<v Speaker 1>the bees. I always, I always kind of fantasized about

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<v Speaker 1>like a fitting punishment. I would I would agree to

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<v Speaker 1>this if the price was right. Um, but Alex continues

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<v Speaker 1>doing his show, but he has to do it with

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<v Speaker 1>me sitting at the desk of Alex. Alex nerve to

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<v Speaker 1>get me to throw a flag on that play? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to submit to me being like no no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no no no no no no. And that would

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<v Speaker 1>make Info Wars the first show to last more than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours a day. Yeah. Probably we would have

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<v Speaker 1>to go into leap time so you could properly do

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<v Speaker 1>your job. Uh well, now you guys want to plug

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<v Speaker 1>your plug doubles before we were Oh, that's right, we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to do that. We do. It's dot com

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's knowledge under score

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<v Speaker 1>fight and I go to bed Jordan's as is my want.

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<v Speaker 1>For the second episode of a Behind the Bastards. I

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<v Speaker 1>will admit that I did write a book. It's at

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<v Speaker 1>the quiet part loud dot com. You can find it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's free. Yeah, um, and you can find me nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>because I exist only in the theory a plane where

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and feelings and audio clips of Alex Jones being deposed. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Amataba Buddha, and then there's you, just serenely hovering

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<v Speaker 1>over the knowledge. All right. Damn hey, America and to

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser extent, Canada. Um, this is Robert and Dan

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<v Speaker 1>from a knowledge fight. We have exercised Jordan for his

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<v Speaker 1>sins um, so we we just had we recorded this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we say the date in episode one a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago. Right, that's just the way Bastards works. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a backlog um that Dan graciously helped

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<v Speaker 1>me extend. But some ship has happened in the ensuing weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like this was something that was ever green

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<v Speaker 1>and you could just have it to sit on a shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>First of it is, yeah, but just talking about Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Jones and his his dumb troubles. But it turns out curveballs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's let's get into those curveballs, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously everything you've said about him is still accurate. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that some new ship has happened visa VI, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>the court cases. They changed the landscape a little since

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<v Speaker 1>this uh, this episode has to particularly do with the

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<v Speaker 1>legal stuff. Um, it is a little embarrassing just to

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<v Speaker 1>look back. I remember that. I think I think we

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<v Speaker 1>said that Jordan and I were about to fly out

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<v Speaker 1>to Austin for the trial right before we recorded the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and the tragic which means you have not had good

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<v Speaker 1>barbecue in a very long time. That is true, Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>has good food, but and some good barbecue maybe yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah we um. I think it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>day after or two days after we recorded it, Alex

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<v Speaker 1>had his his whole bankruptcy thing that ended up postponing

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<v Speaker 1>the trial and so we never ended up going. And

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<v Speaker 1>since then everything has just been a complete chaotic mess

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<v Speaker 1>with the case. So we could be honestly, we could

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole another episode about what's happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>case since we recorded this episode. Well, I'm sure we

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<v Speaker 1>will at some point, but we'll let it all shake out.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, as of mid April, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>fairly accurate. Well cool, anything else, No, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to put that caveat because otherwise I just would feel

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<v Speaker 1>so self conscious. Yeah, it's okay. I feel self conscious

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, um about things that I say and

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<v Speaker 1>then other things happened. But it's it's it's you know

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<v Speaker 1>how you can't be expected to predict the legal proceedings

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<v Speaker 1>of Alexander and Rick Jones because they're they They do

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<v Speaker 1>not proceed the way any reasonable person would want them

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<v Speaker 1>to write. If you if you're just try, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>assuming alex is a rational actor taking steps in his

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<v Speaker 1>own self interest, you'll be constantly surprised by how he

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<v Speaker 1>handles his court cases. Yeah, he has a a warped

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<v Speaker 1>sense of his own self interests that just game theory

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to calculate. All right, Well, we're gonna return you

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<v Speaker 1>to your previously scheduled episode already in progress, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are also going to unlock the shadow dimension where we've

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<v Speaker 1>thrown joy. While we record this um for him. A

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years has passed of of unbelievable torment. Anyway, okay.

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