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Speaker 1: how professionals start their professional podcasts. That's their real big

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Speaker 1: boy jobs. That's right, Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge

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Speaker 1: Fight the Bastards. I'm Jordan's that I am allegedly Robert Evans,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I'm very tired right now and making myself

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Speaker 1: some coffee to get perked up. What do we? What

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Speaker 1: do we? What do we? What do we? What? What

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Speaker 1: are we? What are we? Man? The big questions are

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Speaker 1: what we're going to deal with today. That's how you

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Speaker 1: fucking cast a pod. Welcome to listen. Man. At the

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Speaker 1: quantum level, we don't even know where our fucking electrons are. Man,

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Speaker 1: what are you see? That's that Jordan's that's the title

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Speaker 1: of a whole podcast right there. Can I recommend to

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Speaker 1: you Reset Wars. It's gonna blow your mind. It's the

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Speaker 1: most important work someone's ever done. So, speaking of blown minds,

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Speaker 1: I think Alex's mind has been mind has been blown

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Speaker 1: lately by the idea that there are consequences occasionally for

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Speaker 1: saying things that is true. It can happen, it had

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Speaker 1: it appears to be in the process of happening. He

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Speaker 1: seems to be in the finding out portion of the

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Speaker 1: fucking around. Um, and I guess that's what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about today, is it not, Dan, Yeah, definitely, And I

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Speaker 1: would say in terms of that he got more than

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Speaker 1: his share of fucking around. He certainly did. The ratio

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Speaker 1: I mean we're yet to see what the damages are

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of sucking around that didn't end

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Speaker 1: and he could probably convince himself that he was a charmed,

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Speaker 1: really safe to be like Hillary Clinton is a demon

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Speaker 1: The less optimistic is to actually think about the raw

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Speaker 1: received his mail. They sent Dan Badandhi, a reporter whose

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Speaker 1: of my new show. Robert Evans tracks down people who

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Speaker 1: have losts loved ones and recent tragedies and heckles them

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Sexton. At first, I did not want to

428
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: enter since it is a gated community, but several people

429
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: told me just go on in there. There is no

430
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: security guard at the gates. If there is CCTV, they

431
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: will see me being told to go in, and that

432
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: is the only reason or I would not have entered. Now,

433
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: who says law enforcement does not know what they are doing?

434
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Thank you Newtown Connect to get police. Can you turned

435
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: the document over? First of all, I read an email, Yes, okay,

436
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: And then on the back you see there's a picture

437
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: here right, Yes, And at the top it says Sandy

438
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: Hook hoax actors. Correct, yes, and it has arrows pointing

439
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: to the phelps right, and that the bottom it says

440
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: playing the part of grief stricken parents. Correct. Yes, there's

441
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: a horrible email, isn't it. I've never seen this female

442
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: and it's um. Yes, I don't like this email. And

443
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: again this is someone else, wolf king how Big after

444
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: I had already clearly knew that he cracked up. And

445
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: so that's that's that's not my work. The next question

446
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: that's asked is about how Alex did a video after

447
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: this repeating Wolf Gang how bigs claims um so yeah,

448
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: that's some of the reality of what the like people

449
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: who are being promoted by Alex, and Alex was helping

450
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: them raise money for their activities. These were the things

451
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: that wolf Gang how Big was doing. Yeah, and it's

452
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: tough to it's tough to listen into not which because

453
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: it's so long, but at the same time, like it

454
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: is part of it is part of the length of it.

455
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: That is the torture as well of like, no, there's

456
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: no way you can continue going on, and everything he

457
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: does is just another fucking shovelful of dirt in the

458
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: grave of misery. And it's just a fucking awful Yeah,

459
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's literally like when you actually peel

460
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: back and think about what's going on here, a crank

461
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: is stalking people whose children were killed. Um. Hey, but

462
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: at least he's getting paid for it. Alex is paying

463
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: him because all he cares about is that it it

464
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: fills their time, you know, and maybe we'll get him

465
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: talked about on the news, which which which brings in traffic. Well,

466
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: at very least if Alex isn't paying him, he's promoting

467
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: the organization that takes donations. The Wolfgang is running, so

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, indirect pay. Yeah, it's just disgusting. Um so.

469
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: But Alex at least has the kind of base intelligence

470
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: of being able to be like that suck, are you okay? Now?

471
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: Even I when listening to that, like you almost want

472
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: him to say even I, you know, like at least

473
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: an admittance of like, listen, I don't believe ship, but

474
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: this is bad. You would expect me to be thrilled

475
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: by exactly You would expect me to say, this is great.

476
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: Um so. One of the reasons that Alex ended up

477
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: getting the default judgment was because he kept sending incompetent

478
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: and unprepared people to be the corporate representative for the company.

479
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: He sent rob Do twice and he couldn't answer any

480
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: of the questions. And then he sent Daria Carpova, who's

481
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: one of his off air talents at info Wars, and

482
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: she was actually asked about this exact same email that

483
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: we just heard, and in contrast to Alex's response, here's

484
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: what she thought of it. An email to them, creep

485
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 1: you out you personally, Jack Form, I'm creeping me out

486
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: the way you're reading it. Yes, I don't creep you out.

487
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: To have Wolfgang hobbis showing up these people's houses and

488
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: describing their three car garage and all that stuff, accusing

489
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: them of being people that they are not actually are.

490
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: That doesn't that doesn't have any you know, have any

491
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: strong feelings one we or another on that fraction form correct? Yeah?

492
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Are you asking my personal opinion? Yeah, your personal opinion?

493
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,239
Speaker 1: Um strikes me as a passion man who's doing an

494
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: investigation something he believes in his own hardened wants to

495
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of. She's terrifying. She scares to

496
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: me so much. I've listened to that clip. How many

497
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: times have you played that for? Like four? I don't know.

498
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: In the yeah, yeah, that's it, She's terrifying. It's it's

499
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: a bizarre to be able to hear those words almost

500
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: like isn't that email wolf getting is almost like relishing

501
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: the telling of like I was in their space, it's

502
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: it's sick, yeah, And to hear like the response from

503
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Alex is the socially appropriate response, and then from Daria

504
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: it's the yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean trying to rationalize

505
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: super creep doom if if if if you've ever seen

506
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: a horror movie one of those found footage horror movies

507
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 1: where somebody has like that personal camera and they just

508
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: continue looking at somebody while they're asleep, and you're aware

509
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: that nobody else knows about this, and this is a

510
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: first person look that is terrifying. And you can see

511
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Daria being like, well, I mean it's just a good

512
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: idea to keep an eye on them while they're asleep, right,

513
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want them to have what if

514
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: they have sleep apnea, you might you might be in trouble.

515
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: And that's why you need to constantly videotape strangers kids

516
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: while they sleep, because what if they get hurt? Said, Look,

517
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: you're joking about that, but I do support not you

518
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: know what, that's not even a good start that we

519
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: don't we don't we don't need that. We don't need Yeah,

520
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: we don't need that bit um you know watches you

521
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: while you're asleep. Well, yes, actually some of our sponsors.

522
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: But that is why people pay for them. Listen, what's

523
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: good good so um. One of the things that is

524
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: a hallmark of Alex's discussion about his lawsuits is that like,

525
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: he did everything right and he's just getting jammed up

526
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: and it's it's a complete setup and and a fraud. Um,

527
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: and so this, this clip from his deposition is a

528
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: really interesting glimpse into how he seems to not even

529
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: be aware of how he didn't do anything he was

530
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: asked to do. You've repeatedly said that this, this court

531
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: pro says, this lawsuit, what just happened is all a

532
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: sham because you turned everything over and that court still

533
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: default did you anyway? Right? Um? Yes, Owen Troyer, you

534
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: never sent him one deposition, one document request, one thing,

535
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: and he was defaulted along with me. And if that

536
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: isn't fraud, then nothing is okay. Hold on, I may

537
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: have to pull this order for you because do you

538
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: understand that in Mr Neil Hesson's case there was a

539
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: court order requiring Owen Troyer to appear for deposition? Do

540
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: you know that? I know he appeared for a deposition yesterday?

541
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: You asked for it after the default, No surge, Mr Jones.

542
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: Do you understand that there was an order in August

543
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: thirty one, eighteen asking Mr that requiring Owen Stroyer to

544
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: appear for deposition? Did you know that? I don't know

545
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, you didn't know that. You've

546
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: got on your show without even knowing what the discovery was. Yeah,

547
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: so Alex's it's it's when confronted with reality, doesn't even

548
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: know the things he has failed to do. Yeah, h

549
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: it is. It is a constant source of enjoyment for

550
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: for him to be like the alright, Alex, you know

551
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that this happened, and he's like, this happened like a

552
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: few months ago. I don't remember. I got damn bit

553
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: of it. It's just it's just amazing that a person

554
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: can exist like this. It's fun too to think it's

555
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: some someday we will learn how much money he's spent

556
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: on these lawyers. I do believe that information will get

557
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: out one of these days, because they are they're just

558
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: not doing a thing for him. Not that not that

559
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: they could not, that he would listen, but he he doesn't.

560
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: He's not getting his money's worth. I'll say that much. Well.

561
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: The conversely, I'd like to propose that possibly they're doing

562
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: everything for him in terms of creating a pretense of

563
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: like I had incompetent lawyers, I could have won these

564
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: cases like he has the that to fall back on,

565
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: although better don't repeatedly have the lawyers as guests on

566
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: your show. Well, right, Barnes did have his own show

567
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: for a little and give one of them their own show. Yes. Well,

568
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: one thing that we I don't know if it's in

569
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: a later clip, no, no, no fun Norm pattis forever, um. No.

570
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: One thing later on is Bill will eventually say directly

571
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: to uh was it Owen Troyer. He was like, Hey,

572
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: are you gonna sue your lawyers after this? Because look,

573
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm deposing you, and it's my advice that you sue

574
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: your lawyers after this. I don't think they have adequately

575
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: prepared you for. It's even funnier about that is that

576
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: the reason he's saying it is to remind them that

577
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: should they win a lot of money from their lawyers,

578
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: that money will be going to the city that would

579
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: be considered an assid Yeah, we are going to take

580
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: that as well. Yeah, and just say you know, yeah, yeah,

581
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it's impossible they could

582
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: do a male practice. Yeah they've got it, They've got

583
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah. So Um. One of the things that

584
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: has been a hallmark of these cases that UH Infra

585
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: Wars has been subject to is that they don't seem

586
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: to know what they're giving the lawyers in discovery. Um,

587
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: there was the child pornography. That was the stuff they

588
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: emails that they turned over to the Connecticut people. And

589
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: then in this case there was something that is unexplainable

590
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: that they had that they turned over. It's fair to

591
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: say that Leonard Posner and Free speech Systems have had

592
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: an unfriendly relationship over the years. No, I'm not. I

593
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: don't really followed what he does. So about him? So

594
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: you do follow him? Correct? I mean I don't. You

595
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: never refreshed my memory, so I will refresh your memory

596
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: about what you know about. Oh, I'm shave marks? Did

597
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: a five? Have you ever seen that before? No, not

598
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: that I remember. What is it? That's the soul document

599
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: you produced to me just a couple I guess a

600
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: month or two ago in regard to discovery request for

601
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: any documents you have regarding Mr Posner. That's the sole

602
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: document that was in that folder label Posmer. That's it,

603
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: and that you will agree with me. Appears to be

604
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: a very large which could be about a hundred and

605
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: eighty seven page comprehensive background report on Mr Posner. Correct,

606
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I never ran a background report on Posmer. I've never

607
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I've never even seen this. I understand that you probably

608
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: never even saw that. Someone emails this and then we

609
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: opened it. I don't know, Mr Jones. You gave it

610
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: to me. What am I supposed to know you about it?

611
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know you you tell me that. I mean,

612
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: just go through the email. Most of it's not open

613
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: to just send you guys everything. This isn't an email,

614
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: isn't it. I would imagine I'd never run a background

615
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: thing on positive one thing we can agree on because

616
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: you look at the bottom of that document. It says

617
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: f S S t X dot A eight five five

618
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: four four correct. Yeah, that's a bigger members y'all use

619
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: when you give me documents. Right, So, this document right

620
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: here came from infu wars corporate files. I thought you

621
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: said we haven't given you any documents. I've said, whether

622
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: you said we didn't get we were defaults, we gave

623
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: you a nothing. We didn't real respond you gave me

624
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: documents in the Lewis case in responsive to documents. Well,

625
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I listen. I I mean, I'm just telling

626
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: you I've never looked at this. That's not what I'm

627
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: asking you, Mr Jones. The news about and Florida doing

628
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: a background thing on him, and so I figure somebody

629
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: might have sent us this. I'm just guessing. I think

630
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: I shouldn't guess. I don't know. Yeah, do you think

631
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: you should be guessing what I just said? You're right,

632
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: I I don't know what this So let's not do

633
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: that anymore. That is upsetting. That's my favorite, My favorite

634
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: part of the deposition really has to just be like,

635
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: you sent this to me. I didn't come to you

636
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: with a eighty seven page background check, Unletty Poor, where

637
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: did this come from? You tell me, man, you tell me.

638
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: It's one of the creepier things that I think you

639
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: find in this these depositions is that info Wars turned

640
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: over this extensive background check on one of the parents

641
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: of one of the kids that died at Sandy Hook,

642
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: and no one seems to know where it came from

643
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: or why it's in their files because it wasn't in

644
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: an email. No, it was in their files. No, it

645
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: was in their files that they sent. Yeah. I can't

646
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how wild that is that you

647
00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: can be essentially being sued out of oblivion and then

648
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: at the same time be like, we'll just send him everything.

649
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to check. Nobody was like, hey,

650
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: this h eight seven page background check on Lenny Posits.

651
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: It's got like associates, addresses, and family members not gonna play.

652
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: It's not gonna play. Well, yeah, that is really creepy. Yeah.

653
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: Have you ever done a background report on anybody? Uh,

654
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: Robert enemies that you need to do background checks on?

655
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't done a background I have done

656
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: background checks on on my enemies, but but not that

657
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of essentially No, No, that sounds tiring. Yeah, your

658
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: biggest background check so far has been kissing your obviously,

659
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: And finally we finally nailed him to the wall. We

660
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: got him. Yeah, this is the it's the end of

661
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: his career. We did it canceled. It only took nineties years.

662
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel like the jury was out until the podcast.

663
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Thank god, it finally tipped the balance for me. It's like,

664
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy is good news, you

665
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: know what. I'm starting to think this guy might have

666
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: some bad qualities. Yea, so I just I mean it's

667
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: something that I don't think is going to be solved

668
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: by this case, no matter what happens. I don't know

669
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: if anyone will ever publicly know why they had that

670
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: background check? Yeah, infurious, Yeah, yeah, because who did it? Yeah,

671
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unanswered questions there. You know, you

672
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: would have to think that it was some sort of

673
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: private investigator, right, probably or some firm. I mean, it's

674
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty seven pages. It's not like he

675
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: went to the FBI. Yeah, the online thing, right, he

676
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: didn't just file like for a criminal record, like somebody

677
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: stalked an So somebody a lot of Alex's like bodyguards, ex. Blackwater,

678
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: they have some like shady connection. No, totally, but that

679
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: does mean that there's somebody out there who put this

680
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: background report together and could just be like, hey man,

681
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm the weirdo that did this ship. You know, you'd

682
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: hope there'd be some kind of forensic fingerprint somewhere. But

683
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: or I mean, I don't know, do we know if

684
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: it's accurate? Because like, is it possible somebody just grifted

685
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: Alex fucking Douglas Adams novel about Lenny Posner. That would

686
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: be something let me do it. I think Alex would

687
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: fall for it. Um, but um, that seems like a

688
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: lot of effort. Lenny Posner has never left his towel

689
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: at home though, So there is that. So I've got

690
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of Owen Shroyer's deposition to jump to.

691
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: He is involved in the case because he did uhum

692
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: a video where he was hosting the Fourth Hour or

693
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: not the Fourth Hour, it was it was hosting in

694
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: Alex's place on a Sunday show, and someone gave him

695
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: an article, um and and some videos where he just decided, hey,

696
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: we're going to report this as Neil Heslin couldn't have

697
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: held him his child. And one of the things that

698
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: oh And is very clear about is like someone gave

699
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: me this news to cover I didn't. I didn't check

700
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: it or anything. Um. And this is a clip where

701
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: Bill Ogden, the other attorney in the case, UM, has

702
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: to help Owen realize that he is a puppet. I

703
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: don't know who edited that video, right. It could have

704
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: been someone in our house. It could have been someone

705
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: else on the internet that they found, right. You know what,

706
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: you know what we can agree on. Nobody fact checked it.

707
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: Nobody just said, man, that's crazy. When did he say this?

708
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: Google up the interview and watch it. It's twenty minutes.

709
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: I didn't plan on covering the story that day, so

710
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: I had no preconceived notion that I would even have

711
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: to do that. I know, Mr Shroyer, you're here because

712
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: you were a puppet. You would agree with me, right you?

713
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: You don't agree with me that you you know what

714
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: puppet is, correct? The puppet is an object that is

715
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: used to convey a message, but somebody else is actually

716
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: controlling the message. Understand that, right, You were conveying a message, right, True,

717
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: somebody else was controlling that message? True? No, No, who

718
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: who was controlling the message that you were putting out?

719
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: Were you in control? What was the message you're referring

720
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: to that The coroner said he never released the children ever,

721
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: because that's the story you ran with. Who was in

722
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: control of that information? If you weren't, because you already

723
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: said you weren't in control of it, who was? Somebody

724
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: has to be whoever originally posted the video, So someone

725
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: else had control and you were conveying the message. We

726
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: just established that you were the puppet that day. There's

727
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to be directed.

728
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: It's analogous to where we are now. You agree, I

729
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: think if anybody is being used as a puppet, it

730
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: would be the people who are reporting the stories and

731
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm just showing that information you were reporting the story,

732
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: Mr Lawyer, if I cover So if I just pick

733
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: up anybody's new source and cover it, does that make

734
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: me a puppet? So if you don't fact check it,

735
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: absolutely okay, then I guess then I guess I'm a

736
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: puppet of zero Hedge in this case. No, that's actually

737
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: not true. You're a puppet of I coined Bank. Okay, puppet.

738
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: It's tough to have to look in the mirror like

739
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: that to to uh to see that. Yeah, it is

740
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: fun that we have Bill on the case, just because

741
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: you could definitely see a lot of lawyers being like, well,

742
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna drop the puppet coming. I mean, it's

743
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: not like the puppet conversation adds a ton to the case.

744
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: But Bill is like, listen, I am gonna get you

745
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: to say that you're a fucking puppet if it kills me,

746
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna win. God, that's satisfying. That's just that

747
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: just feels steels good, feels good to have in the world.

748
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: Someone who brands themselves as like the destroyer of Cux.

749
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: There's such they're all such owen. Especially this is less

750
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: the case with really Alex, but like Owen is very

751
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: much cut in that right wing like debate guy personality. Um,

752
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: but none of them actually like debate. All they know

753
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: how to do is have you know, they have media training.

754
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: They understand how things like look on film, and they

755
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: understand how to get sound bites, and they just kind

756
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: of go out to surprise people and get sound bites.

757
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: And Owen can't edit this, he can't cut it apart,

758
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: he can't end the interaction, and he just gets revealed

759
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: as the the hollow man that he truly is. And

760
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: it's it's m yeah, And I think I think that's

761
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: what's so compelling, especially for me, about these like the

762
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: these glimpses, these depositions that you know, you get this

763
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: side of these folks that they aren't in control of. Yeah,

764
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: and it's a disaster. Yeah. Now listening to it gives

765
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: you such a like Thanksgiving dinner feel where you don't

766
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: even want to say anything, You just want to like

767
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: loosen your belts and lean back and be like, oh full,

768
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: that was a delicious meal. I just got to eat there. Now,

769
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned that Owen Shroyer's nickname is the cuck Slayer.

770
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, what else slaves Cox? What's up the products

771
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: and services that support this podcast? What? It's fine? It's

772
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: like a kink thing. Ah, we're back and we're talking

773
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: about cux. We have been. Yes, the fun kind that

774
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: everybody enjoys from occasion to occasion, you know, like that

775
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: what type is that? I mean? Like sometimes that kind

776
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: of sense of debasement can be a sexual pleasure that

777
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: many people have, you know, like like in a controlled environment,

778
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: to feel as though one is you know, inferior can

779
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: be a turn on for many people. Okay, yeah, it's

780
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: not that. That's why Elon Musk stays on Twitter. So

781
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: we were talking about Owen Troy. Yes, completely different kind

782
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: of cock disc for sure. So one of the things

783
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of fun throughout these depositions is

784
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: you you you get to witness people learning stuff about

785
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: the company they work for and the people around them. Um.

786
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes this is fairly genuine. Um, as

787
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: is the case in this this clip where Owen gets

788
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: to learn about, uh, some people who might like mass

789
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: shooters Michael Zimmerman. Do you know who he is? Yes?

790
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Is he? Are you friends with him? I would say

791
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: we're friends, but I mean, we don't hang out or

792
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: talk that often. But do you have a somewhat professional

793
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: and PERI saw him in public, ID go say hello? Sure? Okay? Um,

794
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: he seemed like a good guy. Yeah, And I opposed him.

795
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: He came off very respectful. He was. He was shockingly nice.

796
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Um for a white nationalist. Would has he ever shared

797
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: any of his opinions or views on mass shootings with you?

798
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Not that I can recall? Were you aware that? Do you?

799
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: Do you remember the christ Church shooting, New Zealand? Yes,

800
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: christ Church, New Zealand shooting and he's live streamed. Yes, Um,

801
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: Brandon Tarrant was the shooter. He executed a bunch of

802
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: Muslims at a mosque. Something refreshing the details of the

803
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: event for me right now? Um. Do you know whether

804
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: or not anyone who Info worse claimed it was a

805
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: false flag? No? I'm unaware. Okay. Did you know that

806
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: some individuals and info wars liked that shooting? No? Did

807
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: you know? Um? Do you understand that Michael Zimmerman handles

808
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: the I T stuff for in for Worse m H

809
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: attraction for um? I know that he was doing I T.

810
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that is still his role. Did

811
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: you know that on March four, two thousand nineteen, Mr

812
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Zimmerman registered the domain Tarrant Manifesto dot com. No, boy, No?

813
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Did you know that he registered the website shooter chan

814
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: dot org. Did you know you know who Timothy Thrift is? Yes?

815
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you have a personal relationship with him? Work acquaintance? Okay?

816
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: Did you know that he registered the website st Tarrant

817
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: dot com? Boy a shooter Brandon Tarrant? How do you

818
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: feel about the people that you work with who you

819
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: have somewhat of a personal relationship registering these type of

820
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: websites immediately after a mass shooting that was live stream

821
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: to the world. I'm pretty surprised. I think that's a

822
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: surprising thing. I would be surprising. Yeah, you really don't

823
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: ever want to be asked in court? Are you aware

824
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: that your coworker made the website shooter chant That is

825
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: that is just not a question you want to get

826
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: asked really ever, but especially Yeah, yeah, not a question

827
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: you want to be asked. It makes the argument tougher.

828
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: Um when there's multiple people who are like like making

829
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: websites that are presumably about celebrating a mass shooter too

830
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: to argue that you're not engaged in some form of

831
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: stochastic terrorism. Hey, a bunch of your friends worked at Auschwitz.

832
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Did you know, oh

833
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: that they were, because that maybe that would kind of

834
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: suggest that you're also it's it's a bad it's a

835
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: bad thing to be surprised by. Yeah, actually, maybe it's

836
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: better to be surprised. Yeah if he was like, oh, yeah,

837
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: of course I knew that, buddy, have an account on it.

838
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: I think what's fun about that, though, is that exemplifies

839
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: one of the things that is uh consistent throughout all

840
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: of the Info Wars depositions is like a weird k

841
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: genus about the wrong thing, you know, like whether or

842
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: not we're friends. Yeah. Yeah, they were like, hey, you know,

843
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't know is the sky blue today? Like you

844
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: don't even know the answer to that. Well, yeah, I

845
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: killed those guys, but like is the sky And you're like, no, no,

846
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: you're wrong man, yep yep, um, so the like, Like

847
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the one of the reasons, the primary reason,

848
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: one of the primary reasons that Alex ended up losing

849
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: these cases by default was sending these people who couldn't

850
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: handle being corporate representatives. When they are sent as corporate representatives,

851
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: they're supposed to testify as the company. So there is

852
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: a responsibility that they have to prepare, get all their

853
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: their business in order and basic understanding of the case. Yeah. Yeah,

854
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: and they're supposed to. I mean, they're given a list

855
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: of topics that they're supposed to testify on on behalf

856
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: of the company, things like you know, personnel, the who

857
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: worked on this video, what are the sources for this video?

858
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Those kinds of things, and they have whiffed it every

859
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: single time. It has been a disaster. Um rob Do

860
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: when he was in it was funny because he was

861
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: wearing a tangle hat and he just seemed scared and confused.

862
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: I really, while you're asking me these questions, what I

863
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: would like you to start with is treat me more

864
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: like a fourth grader who doesn't know what business means.

865
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: Could you begin at the like what ease money? See?

866
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: He he was He's a lot of fun. But unfortunately

867
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of like things you can really

868
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: pull from it that really exemplify his stupidity. Um, it's

869
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: a really it's more of a totality, right that kind

870
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: of exemplifies what he's doing. However, Daria, when she was

871
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: testifying as the corporate representative, I think there's a bit

872
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: more stuff that that sticks out as like, this is

873
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: someone testifying on behalf of the company and this is

874
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: a mess. Yea. So she had brought in a folder

875
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: full of exhibits that she wanted to discuss in the

876
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: course of the deposition, and here is Mark bringing up

877
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: the first one. You recognize that, correct, that's a document

878
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: that you reviewed part of this deposition, right, That is

879
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia entry for false flag correct. Yes, okay, can

880
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: you tell me why you looked at this document? Oh boy,

881
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: I thought it would be a good idea to bring

882
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: it as a reference to some of the points for

883
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: topic number one. If I could have the list of topics,

884
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: that would help me to identify the exhibits. I understand

885
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Let's do that. So, yes, she brought

886
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of Wikipedia print out. It's good. No, no,

887
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: that's good. That shows like a willingness to engage with no. No, no,

888
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: of course, that's the beauty of it, just like with

889
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: the background report, except for way funnier. It's just it's

890
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: it's very funny because it's like It's it's both like

891
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: incredibly like deeply irresponsible and also like some thing, uh,

892
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: your grandma might do totally like I heard you had

893
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: a big case today, Honey. I was looking at some

894
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: things up online and I just said, Linda, and I

895
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: wanted to support you in your your skits. I really

896
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: wanted to. But it's also like it would it would

897
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: fail a high school paper if you yes. So it's

898
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: a it's a bad look. And uh, it was befuddling.

899
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: Uh you have the print out of Wikipedia for a

900
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: false flag? Why did you bring this to me? Is

901
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: such a is such a consistent question that all of

902
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the depositions have of Like we you know, we asked

903
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: you for specific things. You could have brought those and

904
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: we could have dealt with that. Instead you brought me

905
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia page. So let's figure out why this makes

906
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: you even more guilty than you were yesterday. So so

907
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: Daria as the company was supposed to testify about these

908
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: videos that are in the plaintiffs petition, and it was

909
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: pretty clear at the beginning of the deposition that she

910
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: had not actually watched them, um, but then later in

911
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: the deposition she appeared to have watched some of them.

912
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: And so this exchange happens. See, they're talking about an

913
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: April video called Sandy Vampires Exposed. You understand that that

914
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: is the video that Mr Posner and Mrs Delarissa based

915
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: their defamation claim on. Did you know that? Okay? Did

916
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: you know that when preparing for this stepo? Did you

917
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: know that? Yes? Okay? Did you watch that video? I mean,

918
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: unless you've watched it in the last couple of hours,

919
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: you haven't watched it, right for this deposition, I'm familiar

920
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: with the video. Did you watch it in preparing for

921
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: this deposition? Though? Yes? Okay? When did you watch it? Earlier? Today?

922
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: During the break when it became apparent that you hadn't

923
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: watched these videos, you wouldn't try to watch this video.

924
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: You didn't watch the whole thing, though, did you? No? Right,

925
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: so you didn't watch this video? Pieces of this video? Correct?

926
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: How many pieces did you watch? How many minutes total

927
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: did you watch? This video? Did not count? So this

928
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: is the level of respect that the people who are

929
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: the corporate representatives for INFOS are showing the proceedings. It's

930
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: it's bad stuff. Yeah, that's um. I feel like I

931
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: could have done a better job representing INFO wars. I

932
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 1: want the worst for them. No, your your testimony would

933
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: have been more effective at keeping them from receiving a

934
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: default judgment their own, just because of like my basic

935
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: sense of politeness, in total fairness, just for the sake

936
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: of clarity. This, the Daria deposition, was after the default judgments,

937
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: so this didn't contribute to that. It did bring sanctions.

938
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: It is certainly evidence of why the default judgment happened. Yes,

939
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: and listening to it is a little bit if you've

940
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: ever had that friend who just lies about everything for

941
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: no reason, not necessarily a friend, but like the person

942
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: you knew, like yeah, yeah, totally, and and then just

943
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to see somebody have to like no longer can dissemble,

944
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: no longer can lie, just eventually has to come down

945
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: and say fine. I watched the video ten minutes ago,

946
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: and I watched about five minutes of it. Is that

947
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: what you wanted to hear? I could have said that

948
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: at the first start, but you have forced me during

949
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 1: a bathroom break, watched a little bit. I had urine

950
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: blasting out of me whilst I watched this fucking video.

951
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Pretty grim again. So the last couple of clips that

952
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: I have here from these depositions are is the most

953
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: upsetting thing I think I heard other than Wolfgang how

954
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: bigs emails. Those are deeply, deeply disturbing. Um but U

955
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: Daria when she was giving her deposition, she's asked about

956
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: wolf Gang how Big had sent to info Wars a

957
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: picture of the Sandy Hook choir that sang at the

958
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, UH that year, and UH. The argument was

959
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: that the kids who were quote unquote killed at Sandy

960
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: Hook were in the choir and it was like rubbing

961
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: it in America's faces because it was a false flag

962
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: and all of this. And so this got sent to

963
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: info Wars, and then someone at info Wars I believe

964
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: it might have been a Don Salazar rope back thank you.

965
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: He thanked wolf Gang for this email. And so this

966
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: this image becomes a little bit of a bizarre jumping

967
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: off point for again Daria testifying on behalf of the company,

968
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: you would if somebody sent you this while you were

969
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: doing reporting, you would thank them for it. I don't know,

970
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: it depends on circumstances. I wasn't there when Nico was

971
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: having this exchange what information he had at that time?

972
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: Why I'm asking you, what if you have this information,

973
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: a picture that says at the top tin Sandy Hooked,

974
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: children found alive and will and then the Super Bowl

975
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: choir from millions of people. Would you look at that

976
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: and go, man, I'm glad then sent me that? Personally,

977
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I would rather think that those kids were alive then

978
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: then having because the tragedy of kids being murdered for

979
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: no reason, um, the innocence of those children who didn't

980
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: deserve what that that kind of fate. I would hold

981
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: out hope to the last bit of my soul, hoping

982
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: and praying that that picture was that that was something

983
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: that be possible for those kids to be alive. So

984
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: is that how you would you would see that? Robert? No, No, Um,

985
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: that's that's a weird that's a weird call for her

986
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: to make. I mean she must have just that has

987
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: to have been in the moment right now that thinks

988
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: calculated that, like you would not calculate and arrive at

989
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: that as like your your decision. Oh no, totally. I

990
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: mean I remember this clip and the thing that I

991
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: liken it to is like that John Ronson psychopath test

992
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: uh story. You know, it's like a psychopath goes to

993
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: a funeral and meet somebody that they're romantically interested in,

994
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: and so in order to meet them again, they kill

995
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: somebody else because they meet that person at funerals. You know,

996
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: like it's a very logical thought process, so long as

997
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: you have absolutely no empathy or or concept of other

998
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: human beings being valuable. Right, Yeah, how how can something

999
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: this fucked up actually be a good thing? Yeah? Absolutely?

1000
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: And you're like, there's no way that a human being

1001
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: could react like that. Yeah, And and hearing that, you

1002
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: you'd think that, like, well, she's just saying that, and

1003
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be a she kind of sticks on

1004
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: that that on that tip and and stands by this.

1005
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: It seems so if you think about it from your

1006
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: point of view, if you think about it, if the

1007
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: parents of my clients saw this picture, you should give

1008
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: him a lot of right. They should they should react

1009
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: really positively to this, with a lot of hope inside. Right.

1010
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: Objection form is that what you're saying. I'm not those parents.

1011
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it as an outsider, and I would

1012
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: much rather and I don't know a person with a

1013
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: heart would rather think, who would rather believe that the

1014
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: kids are dead versus that the kids might be alive?

1015
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: I would say it's reasonable for a person with a

1016
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: heart to have that sort of optimism as as as

1017
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure Alex wanted to believe that those kids.

1018
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: If there was any possibility kids were not dead, then

1019
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: he was going to grab onto it, because that's a

1020
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: much better proposition to have in your heart and mind

1021
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: than two to realize that they were so Alex Jones,

1022
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: according to how the company used things in terms of

1023
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: your Sandy Hook coverage, Alex Jones said the kids didn't

1024
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: really die and they were really alive, in part because

1025
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: he has such a big heart and a lot of

1026
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: hope and optimism for he's a dreamer objection form. He's

1027
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: not the only one, some have said, Alex Jess. Yeah,

1028
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: I found that to be with the most disturbing thing

1029
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: in the at least as an idea in the in

1030
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: the depositions that um saying that the kids weren't dead

1031
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: and that they were being paraded out to sing at

1032
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is an expression of love and optimism. Yeah,

1033
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: that's the stret pretty bleak. I mean, wouldn't you really

1034
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: hope that Nagasaki was a false flag? Right? Like, don't

1035
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,959
Speaker 1: you want to believe that no one would really drop

1036
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: a nuclear bomb on a city, And so I think

1037
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 1: that's why it's a good idea to just deny that

1038
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: anybody died. Yeah, why would you want to believe cancers real? Really? Yeah?

1039
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: If it's anyone with heart, medical science is lying about

1040
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: cancer in order to keep us in fear. It is

1041
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: a pretty fascinating the thoughts that had to have occurred

1042
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: in her head to wind up saying those things. Um,

1043
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: it would be amazing to be inside that little brain,

1044
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: just just watching those connections pop together. Could you not?

1045
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: Could you not see yourself being like held underwater by

1046
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: Daria and her being like, listen, I can't believe how

1047
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: good it is that I'm strangling you and drowning you

1048
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: to death right now because of how nice I am

1049
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: as a person. Leaving Jordan's fantasies aside, Sure, I think

1050
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: is that a fantasy? Well? I did make a CUK

1051
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: reference earlier, You did? You did? There is an element

1052
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: to it too that's added. That is that you know

1053
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: someone had these thoughts, decided this was gonna be the

1054
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: angle we're taking, doubled down on it. And that also

1055
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: happens to be someone who's higher up at info Wars

1056
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: and they chose to be their corporate representative testifying for

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01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: the company. It's not like this is the first time

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Speaker 1: she's had some kind of a messed up, weird done

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Speaker 1: thought like it's it's it's wild. The glimpse that you

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Speaker 1: get through these depositions is just such a harrowing picture

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Speaker 1: of people who are so disrespectful to the very idea

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Speaker 1: that they did something wrong or the organization did something wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I think that they're really valuable glimpse into that.

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Speaker 1: Uh And what we're gonna see in the near future

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Speaker 1: is very likely some some interesting developments over the course

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Speaker 1: of the the cases as they come to fruition. I

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Speaker 1: think we'll we'll see uh so even and some more

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Speaker 1: information come out, I would assume, Wow, well, boys, rob Man,

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Speaker 1: I really feel like we've all transitioned. It's lovely to

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Speaker 1: have you in the position where you're not usually in.

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, when you finish your script, usually your guest

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: is like, Jesus fucking Christ, did you know that we're

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Speaker 1: on a show called Behind the Bastards? And this guy's

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01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: a real bad dude. One of my favorite things to

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Speaker 1: do to relax is to watch videos of people attempting

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Speaker 1: and to cut down trees and generally fucking up in

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Speaker 1: a major way. And usually these videos are like That's

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Speaker 1: why sometimes a great notion is my favorite novel. I

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: don't understand that joke Ken Ken Kesey. Never mind, okay, um,

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Speaker 1: I've only read uh uh oh wait, no, that's not

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Speaker 1: kid Casey. He's just in it. Never mind. I was

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01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: thinking of Tom Wolf. Um. But I like watching these

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: because you'll see like somebody making this chain of decisions

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01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: where Okay, I have this very tall tree, it's like

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Speaker 1: two ft tall, and it's right in front of my house.

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01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to pay for someone. I'm gonna remove

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Speaker 1: it on my own. I'm gonna winch myself up on

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Speaker 1: top of it. I'm gonna have my kids hold onto

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Speaker 1: ropes to try to pull it to the right side,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna cut the area above me that my

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01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: like line is attached to. And then everything goes wrong

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01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: and they wind up like impaling themselves under chainsaw and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to deep fry a frozen turkey at the

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Speaker 1: same time. At the same time, it's it's like that,

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Speaker 1: it's just like this string of Wow, none of you,

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: you didn't think through what the next step of this

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: was going to be, because you just kind of figured

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: it would go away because none of this, none of

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Speaker 1: this feels in any way calculated. Um, it's too incompetent

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Speaker 1: for that, and it's going too badly for to them

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: for that. It's just like they weren't aware. It's like

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Speaker 1: why watching someone learn about gravity as they fall off

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Speaker 1: a mount. Well, I mean, the the incompetence is the

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: manifestation of it. But there is a strategy, and that

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01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: strategy is coming to an end. Now. The strategy is

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01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: the kicking the can down the road appealing. Yeah, And

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01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: so there was like a legal strategy that clearly was

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Speaker 1: being employed. I even saw it with Alex in the

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Speaker 1: Connecticut deposition recently, where he pretended he was sick and

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Speaker 1: couldn't go. Um, it's just an attempt to delay the inevitable.

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Speaker 1: And I really don't. I mean that that gravity analogy

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Speaker 1: is good except for there's this other part where it's like, sure,

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Speaker 1: this is their first time learning about gravity because they've

1114
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: been jumping off a thousand foot buildings for years and

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Speaker 1: having no consequences for it, you know, on their listeners. Totally, totally,

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Speaker 1: so They've got this such a comfortable landing every time

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: they fall so hard that they're like, why am I

1118
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: bouncing and bleeding on the sidewalk right now? I've been bouncing.

1119
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: I've been flying the whole time, you know. Yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: Podcast over, everyone go home, you guys, your plug doubles.

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Speaker 1: While we all sit and think about well what I

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Speaker 1: actually first, Dan, what do you think is gonna happen next?

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Speaker 1: Are they gonna Are they gonna lose all their money? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm fairly confident it's gonna He's gonna lose a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be like it couldn't be like

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times you get these things where it's like, oh, yeah,

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: the bad guy lost a case, and then it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh and they get a slap on the wrist, fine,

1129
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: like the Sacklers, where it's like, well, that's not gonna

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Speaker 1: hurt them in any way. But this doesn't feel like that.

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01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that Alex isn't in great financial straits to

1132
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: begin with, Like I think he's uh in for wars,

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: is fairly precariously balanced on a ledge um And then

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think I think these gonna get hit

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Speaker 1: with a pretty I mean, you have cases in Texas, Connecticut,

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01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: the Fontane case still being active. Uh, there's there is

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Speaker 1: a number of blows he's going to take and he's

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: already you know, squeezed his audience pretty hard in terms

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01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: of what he's able to to make. Uh. That way,

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Speaker 1: I think I think I wouldn't be too surprised if

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Speaker 1: he's um asking to do a podcast on a network soon,

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: and we'll be happy to have him. I think there's

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: no doubt that the goal is to bankrupt him so

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: he can never do the show again. Whether or not

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01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: they succeed in that goal is uh, you know, up

1146
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: in the air. But that is that does seem to

1147
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: be like, here's what we're gonna shoot for, and if

1148
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: we negotiate down from there, it's gonna be fucking close.

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01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: You know. If I think of the sentence that would

1150
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: be just for him. He'd be hooked up to a

1151
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: little buzzer that could deliver like a shock that didn't hurt,

1152
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: but like stopped him from whatever he was doing, and

1153
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: then he would be forced to host a daily podcast

1154
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: on the show ninety Day Fiance, where if he ever

1155
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: attempted to say anything that wasn't directly about the show,

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: he'd get a little buzz. So if he had to

1157
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: just actually watch it doesn't matter what reality show. But

1158
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: every day he has to watch and comment on that

1159
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: show without talking about anything else, without getting into politics.

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: Is he allowed to be racist about contestants and put

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Speaker 1: on the show, because then he could do it. No,

1162
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna say no racist counter for you. I've got

1163
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: a counter for you, all right. Two words, wicker Man,

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01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: three additional words. Not the bees, Not the bees, Not

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01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: the bees. I always, I always kind of fantasized about

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: like a fitting punishment. I would I would agree to

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: this if the price was right. Um, but Alex continues

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01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: doing his show, but he has to do it with

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: me sitting at the desk of Alex. Alex nerve to

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: get me to throw a flag on that play? Yeah, yeah,

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: thanks to submit to me being like no no, no, no,

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no. And that would

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01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: make Info Wars the first show to last more than

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. Yeah. Probably we would have

1175
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: to go into leap time so you could properly do

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01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: your job. Uh well, now you guys want to plug

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: your plug doubles before we were Oh, that's right, we

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: were going to do that. We do. It's dot com

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's knowledge under score

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: fight and I go to bed Jordan's as is my want.

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: For the second episode of a Behind the Bastards. I

1182
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: will admit that I did write a book. It's at

1183
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: the quiet part loud dot com. You can find it.

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01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: It's free. Yeah, um, and you can find me nowhere

1185
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: because I exist only in the theory a plane where

1186
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings and audio clips of Alex Jones being deposed. Right,

1187
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: there's Amataba Buddha, and then there's you, just serenely hovering

1188
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: over the knowledge. All right. Damn hey, America and to

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: a lesser extent, Canada. Um, this is Robert and Dan

1190
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: from a knowledge fight. We have exercised Jordan for his

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01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: sins um, so we we just had we recorded this.

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Speaker 1: I think we say the date in episode one a

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: while ago. Right, that's just the way Bastards works. It's

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, there's a backlog um that Dan graciously helped

1195
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: me extend. But some ship has happened in the ensuing weeks.

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01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: It felt like this was something that was ever green

1197
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: and you could just have it to sit on a shelf.

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Speaker 1: First of it is, yeah, but just talking about Alex

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Speaker 1: Jones and his his dumb troubles. But it turns out curveballs. Yeah,

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: so let's let's get into those curveballs, because I mean,

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01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: obviously everything you've said about him is still accurate. It's

1202
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: just that some new ship has happened visa VI, particularly

1203
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: the court cases. They changed the landscape a little since

1204
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: this uh, this episode has to particularly do with the

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 1: legal stuff. Um, it is a little embarrassing just to

1206
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: look back. I remember that. I think I think we

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: said that Jordan and I were about to fly out

1208
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: to Austin for the trial right before we recorded the episode,

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: and the tragic which means you have not had good

1210
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: barbecue in a very long time. That is true, Chicago

1211
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: has good food, but and some good barbecue maybe yeah, um,

1212
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: but yeah we um. I think it was like the

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Speaker 1: day after or two days after we recorded it, Alex

1214
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: had his his whole bankruptcy thing that ended up postponing

1215
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: the trial and so we never ended up going. And

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01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: since then everything has just been a complete chaotic mess

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01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: with the case. So we could be honestly, we could

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Speaker 1: do a whole another episode about what's happened in the

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: case since we recorded this episode. Well, I'm sure we

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01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: will at some point, but we'll let it all shake out.

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, as of mid April, this is this is

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Speaker 1: fairly accurate. Well cool, anything else, No, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to put that caveat because otherwise I just would feel

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: so self conscious. Yeah, it's okay. I feel self conscious

1225
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: all the time, um about things that I say and

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: then other things happened. But it's it's it's you know

1227
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Speaker 1: how you can't be expected to predict the legal proceedings

1228
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: of Alexander and Rick Jones because they're they They do

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01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: not proceed the way any reasonable person would want them

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to write. If you if you're just try, if you're

1231
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: assuming alex is a rational actor taking steps in his

1232
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: own self interest, you'll be constantly surprised by how he

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: handles his court cases. Yeah, he has a a warped

1234
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: sense of his own self interests that just game theory

1235
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: refuses to calculate. All right, Well, we're gonna return you

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01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: to your previously scheduled episode already in progress, and we

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: are also going to unlock the shadow dimension where we've

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: thrown joy. While we record this um for him. A

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Speaker 1: thousand years has passed of of unbelievable torment. Anyway, okay.

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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.

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