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In Rhyme 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:57.240 City and you're listening to Nightcom. Hello and welcome Tonightcall, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.120 a podcast for your strange days and lily nights. My 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.200 name is Emmily Oshida. I am here not in Rhyme City, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.400 but in New York City and with me on the 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.600 other end of the line in Los Angeles, I have 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.560 Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch as well as our special 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.000 guests this week, Dan Hernandez, Hello, Hello, Hello. I'm a 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.200 super fan of the show, so I'm glad that I 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.080 made it here. Dan. It's a friend of Nightcall, and 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.360 he co wrote the movie Detective Pikachu his writing partner 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.160 Benji Sammit, coming out everywhere in May May tenth. We 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.880 are very excited about this movie, so we are very 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.960 good at to have I am so excited for mostly 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.480 for the reasons that Ken Wattanabe's name, his character's name 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.480 in it, is Detective Yoshida, and it's very, very seldom 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.480 that there's a Yoshida in in fiction, like they almost 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.679 never pop up just because like one, Japanese names don't 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.960 pop up this often into for whatever reason that one doesn't. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.000 So I was very excited, and I think in my 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.799 handle on Twitter was detect detective here for a while 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:07.480 out of the celebration, and I appreciated that, um no 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.919 one was more pump than than I was. When Ken 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.040 watsonab signed onto the movie because the last the last 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.919 Sumurai was like, yeah, my college go to a movie 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.880 with my friend group from college. So whenever anything good happens, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.520 we just said they were all They're all perfect. Remember 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.920 when he when he when he finishes his poem, when 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.120 he attains Satri on the battlefield. Yeah, wow, speaking of battlefields, 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.000 Oh look at that. We're gonna talk about a show 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.440 called Game of Thrones. And while while we wait for 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.960 our producers to leave their respective booths, because neither of 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:49.200 the watched the episode The Long Night, I think Roy 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.240 said he can handle Game of Thrones. He just doesn't 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:56.200 want a Venger's spoilers, which spoiler There will be no spoilers. Okay, okay, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.040 a movie none of us have seen, but there will 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.080 be spoilers for Game if their owns if you don't 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:06.360 want them now, but say these are spoilers for the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.720 episode The Long Night, not whatever episode aired last night, 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.800 which when you're hearing this, we are still living a 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.520 week in the past, so um. But it was a 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.120 big episode. It was a big battle episode, so that's why. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.240 But at this point, phobic everyone should have been absorbed 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:27.719 into the monoculture. But there's no be absorbed. I refuse. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.960 So this is a long standing thing with Molly back 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.359 from Girls and Hoodies, that Molly refuses to be wooed 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.400 by Game of Thron Do not like the show? Be honest, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.560 how many episodes of the show if you watched at 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.760 least five, and I've seen the pilot more than one time. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.839 I think it is boring. And you know, I thought 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.719 I didn't like medieval things, but now I've gone to 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.400 the renfair like three years in a row with Jane Murray, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.320 friend of the Pod, and it turns out I do 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.839 like medieval things. I just don't really like Game of Thrones. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.680 How do you feel about Lord of the Rings? Also 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.760 don't like it. I feel like there's too much c 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.839 g I, and like New Zealand is already very beautiful, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.200 and the obsession with like let's make the sun set 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.360 perfect every time is insane. Well not to a man's 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.359 plain to you, but the c g I is actually 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.000 quite minimal in the load of the rings that use 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.400 a lot of bigotures and pactrical effects in it. But well, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.320 surly kind. Another friend of night Call claimed to me 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.679 that Game of Thrones was not really a fantasy show. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.440 It just has dragons, and the dragons are awesome, but 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.960 it doesn't does have dragons, Melissander, there's the Lord of Light, 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.120 there's all of her magic, there's um the White Walkers 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:45.159 obviously called magic. Yeah, magic is exceptional when it happens. Yeah, 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.599 some people have magic. Yes, some people have people have magic, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.640 but when it happens, it's it's it's near miraculous. And 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.640 by the way, Emily's man's planning voice was sort of 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.840 just my internal monologue. So I feel a little, well 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.560 damn comfortable. We have a authority. Dan has read all 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.120 the books. Oh damn, I've only seen I've only only 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.719 read one of them. I read the first one and 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.119 I was like, Okay, I got it. I enjoy watching 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.600 it as a show more. But I might go back 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.839 and read them someday. I don't know. I tend to 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.520 do the deep dive on anything that I get excited about, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.800 so I absorbed them immediately. And you know, it's a 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.320 sad thing that the last book came out the year 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.080 that I moved to Los Angeles, which I think was 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.640 two thousand eleven. So I've been waiting anxiously for the 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.200 you know, for the last book. But I spent my 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.880 time on the Wiki of Ice and Fire. I feel 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.840 like I'm ready. I'm prepared. But I will say when 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.839 I got to the show today, uh, there was already 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.520 tension in the air surrounding and they were already fighting 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.279 about Game of Thrones when Dan approached us to say, hey, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.600 I'm here to do. The point was just that, well, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.400 by the way, I love that tests you were on 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.280 the anti side back to these days, and since then 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.960 you have crossed over. She crossed over, but she's going 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.800 to fight with you now about anarist Look, I I 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.919 don't I don't hate Gnaris at all. I did say that, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.800 in my opinion, Denarius is the least interesting kind of 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.640 main character. I had to catch up on this show, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.840 and it wasn't fun catching up on the show because yeah, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.400 well we were talking about muck bangs a minute ago. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.320 Like it was like I was like, gotta get through, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.120 and she doesn't remember. People are in season one she does. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.080 She look bangs that horseheart remember, yeah, okay there, Yeah, 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.560 I mean it's touched on everything. So it's any kind 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.040 of reference that you make to anything. There is probably 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.520 a Game of Thrones example, I I warmed to it. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.560 I don't find that you'd have to be team Denarius 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.120 or team Santa. Personally, I was saying, only one person 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.200 can win. You see that. It's not you do have 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.920 or Team Santa because they can't both. They both don't 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.880 want the same thing though. It's just act, but one 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.440 of them is going to have to die. It's a 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:07.320 battle royale. It's not necessarily in last night's episode, which 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.239 is now you know, many episodes in the past because 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.040 of the wonders of time traveling podcasting. We'll get to 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.560 the timeline theories. Yes, but I mean Santa was legitimately 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.240 hiding in the crypt while Denares was fighting on the dragon. 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.240 I gotta say Denies dropped the ball a couple of 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.600 times he was fighting on the dragon. Yeah, she was 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:29.560 fighting on the dragon. That happens the first five episodes. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.319 Wait wait wait, she was like you mean she was riding, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.760 she was like punching. Although there was some dragon on 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.640 dragon battle as well could have been better. That was 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.959 the part of the episode that I liked because it 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.160 looked the most like a heavy metal album cover, and 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.920 I was totally this is my ship. I love it. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.920 The blue flames coming out of the white dragon. I 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.199 think all the dragons look cheap. They look like Xena. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.560 It looks like it looks like Dungeons and Dragons, like 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.040 the cover of like the manuals for Dungeons and Dragons. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.120 I love it like Dan is wearing a Dungeons and 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:11.560 Dragon shirt. It's so cool. It's like and made out 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.840 of like Dungeons and Dragons iconography. I think this is 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:20.160 my formal Dungeons and Dragon shirt for business opportunity and 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:34.400 more subtle, Trill, Trill. 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You 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.880 feel it's hard to do of a general I just 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.560 don't care for sword and Sandal though, But it's not 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.320 all that there are only sandals once you get to Dorn. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.360 And it's true, actually she doesn't even know what dor is. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.400 I have lodged the complaint many times that I don't 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.840 understand why it takes place in like a British colonialist universe. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.600 It doesn't though, it takes place in the whole world, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.320 Like there's a place in many different universes. I'm so 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.959 aware of the man's planning voice. But um, it's based 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.360 on the historical War of the Roses. Yes, well why 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.640 not just make something about the historical war dragons. But 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.240 everybody's right, but everybody is all It's like, well, it's history. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.840 That's why everybody's white. It's like, yeah, but there's dragging. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:09.720 Not everybody's white. And they actually why are they British? 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.000 They're not all British. They speak in many different languages. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.320 And the interesting thing is that it really like now 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.440 that you have people from one part of the world 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.160 that have landed in this other part of the world. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.240 It's basically like northern England or Scotland, and they're like 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.520 from the equivalent of you know, the Middle East, Like 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.120 there's a tension, like there's a there's a differentness, Like 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.480 it definitely adjusted. What if you made a show about 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.199 like real world history instead of like, yeah, they haven't 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.400 show about real world history where people start being stopping 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.760 for light about the show about like some people who 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.400 live in a house in King's Landing. Yeah, that's coming, 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.880 I watch it. Well, Well, one thing about last night's 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.520 episode that like, so I I got, I got completely 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.920 like carpet bombed, but is I don't know if that's 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.120 the correct term, but like by Diners fans, because like 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.280 this show has gotten to the place where people really 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.920 identify with these characters, like they are political figures. And 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:09.679 I made a joke about dinner Dinners is comparative worthlessness 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.600 last night and like really really like I woke the 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.640 dragon as they say, um, and I thought that was 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.560 fascinating because like last time I was doing anything about 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.600 the show, like writing about it, I don't feel like 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.120 the level of discourse was at this level. And in 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.320 some time in the last couple of years, it's gotten 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.240 it's gotten insane uh yeah, yeah. I also got attacked 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.920 by Game of Thrones fans for suggesting that if they 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.400 like really tedious, complicated mythologies, they check out local politics 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.640 as an impartial observe. I'm watching Emily and Molly fight 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.160 a battle on two fronts last night on Twitter, but 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.760 I can't help but feel that you, Molly must have 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.200 known what was about to happen. Was complimenting them. I 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.120 was saying, it's very impressive you can keep track of 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.440 these boring storylines and fake people. Imagine if you applied 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:07.000 this uh a breath of paying attention to you can 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.280 You're the person who always says you can pay attention 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:13.720 to more than one thing, you are. I totally and 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.440 like I have also said, like it's just Game of Thrones, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.280 Like I can pay attention to like a boring, hard 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.160 to explain plotline if it's like on mad Men or 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.800 some show that I like, you know, I'm like trying 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.600 to explain it to somebody. It totally sounds boring, but 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.040 I care, or like vander pump Rules, I'm like, this 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.040 person is more important, you know, cares about this person 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.920 more than they care about them. But I think Game 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.160 of Thrones fans have. It's just weird how people who 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.280 like the things that are the most popular get so 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.160 mad at you for like being like, oh, I don't 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.480 like this thing that you're like you, how dare you? 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.000 And the same thing is too with like Marvel Hives. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.360 And that's what's scary about it is I'm just like, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.000 what are these movies doing for you? Really? Like? So 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.720 there's to argument, which is one that like let people 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.760 like things things, which I think is stupid, Like I 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.400 think anything can be criticized, and like I don't, I don't, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.880 I don't really I'm saying it's like High Life fans 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.360 don't like attack say like you should die if you 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.800 didn't see Highlife yet. And I do want to see 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.000 High Life. That's the movie. I'm excited about it. But 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.160 I think it's all like a byproduct of these things 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:26.320 were so marginalized for so long because it's culture has 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.520 been dominant for like the twenty years. It's not marginalized 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.320 like superhero movies have been the dominant for like everything 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.000 is for twelve year old boys only. And it's like 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.160 if you say, like, actually I'm not super that's not 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.440 what I'm super into. People are like how dare you 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.720 not like I don't think less about nerd culture, not 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.840 like being newly ascendant, because it's not really newly anymore. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.560 But I feel like like it's like you are now 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.120 able to curate the communities and the people and the 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.200 taste of the people that you surround yourself with to 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.320 a t. So when you're like, when you do have 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:01.040 an opposing viewpoint across your your awareness, it feels not 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.080 even opposing water like like some of it's like feels 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.199 game or gaydy where it's like like, the worst I 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.119 ever got attacked was for being like, wouldn't it be 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.560 nice if G t A had a female character once? 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.399 And that everybody was like fuck you. Yes, they were like, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.680 I hope you get raped and died. I was like, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.040 I didn't even I like the games. That's the whole 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.680 thing I'm saying is that I like the games that 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.480 I would just once like one of the prostitutes that 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.640 you like, have an interaction with, to be the main 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.520 character that I played, because it would be fun and 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.000 like do something new with the games here. I will 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.359 always I will say this about Game of Thrones, and 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.800 this is like and and maybe maybe if tests or 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.479 Dan you have differing experiences, like please please chime in. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.119 But the reason that I like Game of Thrones, and 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.760 I think kind of also the reason why people have 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.120 this very um strong reaction to this is that, like 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.439 I I personally, I am a masochist. So when I 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.160 start watching something like the first episode of Game of Thrones, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.960 which makes zero sense to me and I don't know 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.959 who anybody is or what they're talking about, my instain, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.679 if it's at all interesting to me, is to like 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.520 put myself through it and figure it out and learn 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.920 who all the dumb little characters are and like look 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.200 at a map and ship like that's my nerdy Like 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:13.840 I don't like to look at a map. I I 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.520 totally agree with to get through it though, then it's like, oh, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.160 I've I've gone through all of this, I've done all 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.160 the things, and now it's again. It's like if it's 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.639 the wire, if it's something I'm interested in, or I'm like, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.440 I do want to find out what happens in this world, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.840 I just like fundamentally do not want to spend time 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:34.080 in a medieval world because it just seems horrible to me. Well, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.840 I think I think there's two things I do agree 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.440 that nerd culture has been a Senate for a long time. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.720 But I also think that what is remarkable about Game 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.639 of Thrones, at least when it was first written, was 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.760 that it was such a subversion of what the expectation 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.240 was that now people feel like they're a part of something. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:49.760 Don't you think the show is not as much of 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.240 a subversion as the books are. I think that the 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.000 first season was pretty shocking to people who weren't familiar 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.639 with it, and so once you throw a lot of 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.840 rape in it that wasn't in the book. They were 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.879 liberal with their rape. To see the trap in the 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.840 show that wasn't really put me off. On the first season, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.199 I was like, I hate this because they always are like, 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.639 it's medieval times, everybody's getting raped all the times. And 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.399 again I'm like, there are dragons, you can do whatever 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.879 you want in this made up world. This is what 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.399 you're choosing to show. They definitely lean into that, and 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.679 that was I think, maybe not, I mean it was 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:19.879 it was pretty put me off the show. And again 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.080 it's like I thought, I just hated medieval stuff, and 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.119 then I saw Pulver Hooven's flesh and Blood and I 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.880 was like, no, it's just I guess what I'm trying 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.880 to say is I think there's like a deeper levels. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:37.400 The Pulver Hoven version is more chilling than what I 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.119 like about. What I like about Flesh and Blood is 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:44.000 it really leans into how horrible medieval times were, and 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.720 it's like it doesn't romanticize it in any way. It's 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.840 just the same thing. It's just like it's a different style. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.080 But I think they people want to live in Game 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:59.200 of Thrones. I don't want to. I think that people 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:00.960 like with the g t A with Game of Thrones. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.760 I think that any time that you get turned onto 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.719 something that is seemingly like underground, even though in this 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.639 case it is the least underground thing ever anymore, I 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:13.000 think that initial that like vitriolic response is like how 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:14.920 dare you attack the thing that like I am cool 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.840 enough to like fuck you? And I think that that 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.760 is in anything game or gay comics gate whatever like. So, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:26.680 I I do understand like the fandom of this is 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.160 is oftentimes really hard to even again, I just feel 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.480 like it's Game of Thrones. I don't think it's maybe 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.080 it's just it's it's Marvel too. It's like anything that's right, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.080 But it's these things that are so popular. Again, it's 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.640 like people who like Succession don't like tweet me, and shit, 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:45.560 if you're like Succession. Most of my involvement with the 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.720 show that has not been like talking to people online 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.320 about it, Like it's been watching the show and like 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.960 looking at this wicky of ice and fire, like I 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.040 don't like I'm not on the boards for this one, 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.760 you know, like I find my own enjoyment of it. 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.240 I've decided to like enjoy the show in my own way, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.280 so like it doesn't really matter how fans are talking about. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.200 To wrap up this segment, let's talk about who everyone's 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.639 voting for, I mean rooting for. Maybe I'm voting for 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.760 who's a democracy? Who's everybody rooting for in the Game 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.080 of Thrones to win? Well, I I defer to Emily 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.000 and Dan. I mean I don't really I'm not rooting 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:27.360 for anybody, Like it's not really the competitionship for Sercy. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:33.840 I mean, thank you expectedly et. Okay, so you guys 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.440 are on the same side we are. I just feel 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.400 like Denares Denares did find in the battle last night. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.480 That's all I'm saying, is that I can't doctor Nearest 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.960 for having for ordering her dragon Baby to scorch everybody 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:48.800 they all wear on the show. Oh my god. Okay, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.280 we're moving on because back in the booth, no more spoiler. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.720 You got to know who Dan is voting for. I 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.639 will do this no spoilers, but I my vote for 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.440 the Iron Throne is Santa. I think that she is. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.359 I want Sansa for Warden of the North. There's like 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:08.120 a VP, it's it's so called. How can you begin? Yeah, 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.960 it's hard to It's hard to even talk dialogue with 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.879 you because you know what I'm saying. Like, imagine if people, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.120 if you could just is Sansa the Ginger she wanted 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.480 to ginger? You should like her. She's fantastic. I love 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.480 It's very dry. If mad Men had maps, would you 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.400