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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off

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Speaker 2: right now. We had the Senate all night working hard

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Speaker 2: to pass a bill that the Republican base does not

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Speaker 2: want pass. Ninety five billion dollars in four and aid

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Speaker 2: for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, nothing for the southern border.

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Speaker 2: We shall discuss that they also have the immunity claim

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Speaker 2: making its way through the courts. The Trump legal team

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Speaker 2: put forward an application for a stay and wow, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if we're gonna get too deep into it

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Speaker 2: today because it's intricate, But basically they're asking the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court to tell the Circuit Court to hold. On a second,

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Speaker 2: you can't tell the district court to go forward with

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Speaker 2: the trial until the Supreme Court rules on whether or

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Speaker 2: not the stay goes into place. And also they're looking

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Speaker 2: they're looking to get down the line cirt. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the whole thing is a giant mess, but a stay

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Speaker 2: and a stay. They're trying to play time games here

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Speaker 2: with the Trump trial, so we might get into some

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Speaker 2: of that a little bit later. They asked for you're

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Speaker 2: actually broads, the court should stay the DC Circuits mandate

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Speaker 2: pending resolution of press a Trump's petition for cercii in

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Speaker 2: this court. As an additional relief, President Trump requests this

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Speaker 2: court stay the DC Circuits mandate penning the resolution for

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Speaker 2: a petition for en bunk consideration. Whoo clay. They are,

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Speaker 2: they're getting deep into legal weeds. But basically the Trump

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Speaker 2: team is like, hey, what's the rush, Supreme Court, We

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Speaker 2: need more time for this, and the DC Circuit and

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Speaker 2: District Court are saying it's go time. We got to

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Speaker 2: get this Trump trial going as fast as possible.

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Speaker 1: Which is why I've been saying for some time, I'm

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Speaker 1: I've got the law degree. And so when you read

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Speaker 1: all that, which I bet a lot of people is

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Speaker 1: parts of the Trump legal process. And I think, Buck,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna end up being wrong, but I think all.

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Speaker 2: Of this is so much.

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Speaker 1: They threw so much at him that it's going to

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Speaker 1: much on the criminal and civil prosecutions that are taking

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Speaker 1: place of Trump. And so I question what the overall

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Speaker 1: they've they've thrown so much at him, Buck, I really

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Speaker 1: feel like if they had said, Hey, we're going to

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Speaker 1: is the trial we think is the most important. This

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Speaker 1: think he's got three different hearings today, Buck, And you

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Speaker 1: just reference the fact of what the Supreme court's got

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Speaker 2: Here's what's a few things you're one, Clay. I think

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Speaker 2: Immunity issues are special, So immunity issues, when you raise them,

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Speaker 2: So that's ahead. The courts have gone along with this

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Speaker 2: they're truncating all the schedules. Well, they were trying to

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Speaker 2: Right in two parts, there's immunity and then there's the

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Speaker 2: double jeopardy point. The double jeopardy point I think that

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Speaker 2: That needs to be resolved by the Supreme Court. But

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Speaker 1: And I actually, I actually think if they came to

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Speaker 1: What is that forty eight people roughly? Or do you

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Speaker 2: To agree with you, there is almost no chance that

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, if you take it and delay it

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Speaker 1: Let's say it's July fourth weekend. They're gonna come out

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Speaker 2: I know that you're forgetting what the triphage, What the

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, grab

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Speaker 1: the transcript, Ali flag this. I'm giving you my prediction

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Speaker 2: I think the Supreme Court, by at least seven.

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Speaker 1: I think, Buck, they are going to say five to

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Speaker 2: This is the big question that you've been asking.

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Speaker 1: anything is possible.

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Speaker 2: Mister Clay, all right, you got to tell us what

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Speaker 2: if you're making predictions, it can't be a possible prediction.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm not in Merrick Garland's head, right, But

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland made Robert her a special counsel. Robert Her

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Speaker 1: again gave Biden a pass on a willful criminal violation,

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Speaker 1: which I disagree with, but he also really and we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the cognition issues may have cut

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Speaker 1: the legs out from underneath the Biden presidency.

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Speaker 2: We're about to get into that.

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Speaker 1: And I think the rig job that they tried to

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Speaker 1: push through, remember the hunter Biden no charges, everything else,

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Speaker 1: the Politico story where Biden went off and said he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like Merrick Garland and he's not going to bring

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Speaker 1: him back. I think there's a possibility that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: has a better betterment of the country moment where he

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Speaker 1: says I'm not going to allow this trial to go

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Speaker 1: forward and it doesn't happen, and I understand.

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Speaker 2: Then I would give you one hundred to one odds

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Speaker 2: on this product. I mean, this prediction is Bunkersville. You

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Speaker 2: have way too much faith in Merrick Garland, way too

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Speaker 2: much faith in it. I have.

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Speaker 1: I have faith as a warrior in the same way

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Speaker 1: that Judge Mary Ellen Noriyaeika Trump appointee said no.

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Speaker 2: To the Sweetheart Deal. Remember I was like the only

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Speaker 2: person saying Garland is a Biden appointee. There's a big

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Speaker 2: difference here. I get it.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, Merrick Garland is judged by history, not by

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. And if you are over seventy years old,

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Speaker 1: do you want to be the guy who is ramming

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Speaker 1: through a conviction that to your point years from now,

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Speaker 1: in the moment, you can make choices that seem like

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Speaker 1: good choices when you sit back. That's what the law does.

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Speaker 1: Warriors sit back and they think ideally. Judges in particular,

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Speaker 1: you have zero faith.

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Speaker 2: I still are in the midst of all out law

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Speaker 2: fair against the leading republic the Republican nominee. They have

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Speaker 2: broken all the taboos, they have crossed all the rubicons.

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Speaker 2: They get a crap about precedent, about prior practice, about

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Speaker 2: DOJ guidance, And you think Merrick Garland is going to

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Speaker 2: be the man standing athwart the madness and allowing people

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Speaker 2: to vote on Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I do, I do have still I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if this were a movie, I would be like Luke Skywalker,

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Speaker 1: who's still believes that Darth vaderie in Vader.

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Speaker 2: But do you remember what happened to Vader? Wasn't good?

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Speaker 2: Wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying Vader went down, but he had a

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Speaker 1: moment of redemption, Buck, I still believe in the possibility

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Speaker 1: of redemption.

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you haven't seen Return of the Jedi,

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Speaker 1: I believe Merrick Garland could be like Darth Vader there

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Speaker 1: at the end, getting his helmet pulled off, breathing slowly

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Speaker 1: as the empire crumbles around him, recognizing that he still

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Speaker 1: went to law school and he still became a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: and he held his hand up and he swore an

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Speaker 1: oath to the law to preserve the country.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is the craziest most outlandis theory. I think

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Speaker 2: you've ever leveled on the show. And if you happen

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Speaker 2: to end up being right, we'll have to come up

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Speaker 2: with I don't know, I'll have to bow down liability.

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Speaker 1: Buck, and I don't even know what the law would happen.

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Speaker 1: I think there's some possibility that they try. So this

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Speaker 1: is if Merrick Garland doesn't have his Darth Vader redemption moment.

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Speaker 1: Second part here, I think there's some possibility that Trump

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Speaker 1: refuses to show up for the trial. And if he

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Speaker 1: refuses to show up for the trial, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the what the process of the courts would be.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to arrest President?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? They would have to hold them

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Speaker 2: in contempt and threaten to incarcerat him, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, but I don't know what the process under which

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Speaker 1: that would occur. They would put him in prison, and

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Speaker 1: they would put him in handcuffs and lead him into court.

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Speaker 1: Like I think that this could blow up in their

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Speaker 1: faces and there could be all sorts of procedural machinations

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Speaker 1: associated with If Trump just says, screw you, guys, I'm

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Speaker 1: campaigning for president.

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Speaker 2: I'm not showing up for your sham trial. That theory

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Speaker 2: is that's hardcore but not crazy. You'r Merrick Garland theory.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I can't even be I can't co sign it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what's happened. Someone's kidnapped play today,

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Speaker 2: but you're Trump's defying the court. That's certainly within the

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Speaker 2: realm of Trump's attitude, as we've seen in the civil trials.

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Speaker 2: And I do think it raises an interesting question of

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Speaker 2: do they really have the un once to Do you

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Speaker 2: have the SSS stops to put these months Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: day in prison or jail in Washington, DC?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to go down to mar Lago and

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Speaker 1: arrest him? I mean to me, how does that play politically?

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but I think it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy look for Joe. Think about this buck for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's Department of Justice to travel to mar A Lago,

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Speaker 1: storm mar A Lago, take his chief political rival, put

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Speaker 1: him in cuffs, and sit him in prison. I think

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Speaker 1: that is potentially a play we could have if they

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Speaker 1: try to put this in on court.

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Speaker 2: If I think we don't have the Darth Vader reemp,

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Speaker 2: I think you underestimate the viciousness and the go it

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Speaker 2: all the way, at all costs nature of the Democrat

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Speaker 2: opposition against Trump. I think they will do whatever they would.

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Speaker 1: You advise Trump to refuse to show up and make

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Speaker 1: them come tomorrow Lago and put him in cuffs. Politically,

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Speaker 1: not a legal analysis, but a political analysis.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how. I don't know how people, because look,

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Speaker 2: if the Supreme Court, let's just let's just we're leaving

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Speaker 2: something out here and we've gotten way down. There's news

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Speaker 2: today that we have to get this. This is the election, okay,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy to think about it. It's a ways

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Speaker 2: out there. If the Supreme Court allows the trial to

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Speaker 2: go forward, effectively, I think then that puts a stamp

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Speaker 2: of Look, he's not immune and they brought charges and

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Speaker 2: he's facing trial and a majority conservative or at least,

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Speaker 2: you know, theoretically conservative court allowed the trust. The Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court could we didn't even talk about this. They could

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Speaker 2: just say nas, sorry, this whole thing is you know,

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Speaker 2: he's got immunity to sham basically shut it down, shut

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Speaker 2: it all down. That could happen. I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: going to happen. I give that like a ten percent,

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Speaker 2: five percent chance something in that neighborhood. But if they

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Speaker 2: allow it to go forward and there is this trial,

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Speaker 2: I mean everything, this is this is sort of what

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Speaker 2: what I was thinking about last night. And then and

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Speaker 2: then we have to we have to do a reading.

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Speaker 2: We have to come back and talk about Decline and

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Speaker 2: Biden apparently hour two and even get back to it.

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Speaker 2: Here's my underlying thesis for so much at this play,

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Speaker 2: or maybe just thought process for this Everything that we've

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Speaker 2: said they wouldn't do, not we but you know, everything

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Speaker 2: that the consensus opinion had been, how they would never dare.

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Speaker 2: They would never dare do that against Trump they have

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Speaker 2: done at every step of the way. There has been

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Speaker 2: no impeach them once, yes, impeach him twice, yes, Special

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Speaker 2: trying to use emolument's clause yes, right, and now this

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Speaker 2: four criminal indictments. I mean, the whole thing is nuts.

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Speaker 2: They have broken down the barriers, the bulwarks of sanity

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Speaker 2: at every stage. So we think at the last moment

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Speaker 2: that we think it's gonna hold. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't think. I don't see it. That's that's

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Speaker 1: We I mean, we're truly in uncharted waters, unprecedented era,

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Speaker 1: and it may well decide the election. By the way

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Speaker 1: I would advise Trump if he were asking me, I

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Speaker 1: would say, don't show up for trial. If they try

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Speaker 1: start date of the relationship, right, Maybe you made out

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Speaker 1: some time at a party and then you didn't start

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Speaker 1: dating for a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you broke up started again, I don't know, right.

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Speaker 1: This is like the Ross Rachel we were on a

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Speaker 1: break famous line that Ross yells out when Rachel finds

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Speaker 1: out that he slept with somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Right, So from friends, I said, friends, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, it's most of you probably are familiar

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Speaker 1: somewhat with that aspect of the plot out there. That's

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Speaker 1: very iconic in pop culture.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: But this is a mess, and she's in real trouble.

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Speaker 1: And I said, as soon as the evidence came out

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Speaker 1: of the relationship, I said, there's no way she can

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Speaker 1: stay on this case. And I maintain that, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any way that he can stay on

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Speaker 1: this case. And that would mean they need to find

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Speaker 1: a new DA which would mean effectively this case is

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Speaker 1: over and she's gonna be lucky if she's not ultimately

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Speaker 1: charged with a crime herself. When all this is out,

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Speaker 1: and some people out there say, well, what's the significance here?

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Speaker 2: She can't lie to the judge.

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Speaker 1: Now if there's evidence that she was in a relationship again,

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Speaker 1: that we could have it Bill Clinton like moment buck

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Speaker 1: where she says, you know, that depends on what the

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Speaker 1: definition of the word relatesationship is, right, like when did

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Speaker 1: it start? Maybe that's her defense, But she's not going

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Speaker 1: to be able tough spot.

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Speaker 2: She's not going to be able to stay on in

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Speaker 2: this case, okay, because now she's a distraction no matter what,

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Speaker 2: whether there's sanctions against her or anything. I agree that's

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Speaker 2: a separate that's going to come down to the facts

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Speaker 2: of the case. But I think it's very unlikely she's

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Speaker 2: going to be able to stay in this case. And

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Speaker 2: then you get to well as someone else going to

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Speaker 2: continue it from her office. Right, it's not necessarily the

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Speaker 2: case that it hasn't been tried yet, so it's not

688
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Speaker 2: like a mistrial situation or something else. Because there was

689
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Speaker 2: prosecutorial misconduct. So maybe somebody else takes up this mantle.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if somebody else would

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Speaker 2: want to step up into this given the challenges that

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Speaker 2: it already has. And I think that this case all

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Speaker 2: along was going to be the hardest to get done,

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Speaker 2: and now I think there's effectively no chance it'll get

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Speaker 2: done before the elections. So it was an act of

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Speaker 2: political advancement for Fannie Willis to brit to bring it

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Speaker 2: in the first place, and I think that's as far

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Speaker 2: as it's going to go likely. I don't think Trump's

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00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: in real jeopardy from this one anymore. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I also think if you analyze it purely from the location,

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Speaker 1: Trump's gonna win Florida, Trump is gonna lose DC, Trump

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Speaker 1: is gonna lose New York. Georgia is the only swing

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Speaker 1: state where they were attempting to bring a case. I

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Speaker 1: actually think Trump is gonna comfortably win Georgia. I do,

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Speaker 1: and some of you out there may be not as

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Speaker 1: confident as I am. I am of the states that

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Speaker 1: will flip or could flip if I were betting. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I feel the most confident in Trump winning Georgia. Of

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Speaker 1: Trump winning any of the states that he did not

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Speaker 1: win in twenty twenty. I would be stunned at this

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Speaker 1: point if Trump is not gonna worse so than Arizona. Yeah, really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Arizona's going to be a mess with Carrie Lake,

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Speaker 1: maybe Kirsten Cinema and Reuben Gayet and the mess that's

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Speaker 1: going on out there. I feel like looking at the because,

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Speaker 1: in other words, you've got a Senate seat going on simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: There's no other race going on in Georgia that's going

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Speaker 1: to gin up Democrat turnout, And so yeah, I'm most

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Speaker 1: I think Trump will win both Georgia and Arizona in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, which would mean he would only need

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Speaker 1: one of the Midwest states in order to get over

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Speaker 1: the number. But I feel the most confident about Georgia.

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Speaker 1: If I were betting right now on states that would

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Speaker 1: flip their result from twenty twenty, I would bet that

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Speaker 1: Georgia would be the one that Trump wins the most

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Speaker 1: comfortably because most of the data buck that's out there

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Speaker 1: right now has Trump. All the polling in Georgia has

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Speaker 1: Trump up seven or eight points.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. I love your optimism though about how

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Speaker 2: Georgia is in the bag already. That's good.

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Speaker 1: I also think by the way Georgia has added since

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, a lot of people have moved to our

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Speaker 1: red state voters to Georgia. I think Georgia has benefited

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Speaker 1: from out of out of blue state red migration.

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Speaker 2: The state of Georgia has been the scene of more

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Speaker 2: It has been when we lost three winnable Senate seats

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Speaker 2: there at this point three should have won Senate seat correct.

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Speaker 2: Think about the difference that would have made everybody. Three

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Speaker 2: out of three we drop in Georgia. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 2: that we've learned some lessons there in those Senate races,

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Speaker 2: All right, third hour Clay and Buck kicks off.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Much to discuss declining Biden. He's not able to be

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Speaker 2: hiding the same way that he used to. People are

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Speaker 2: seeing what's going on more and more. We shall discuss that.

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Speaker 2: But first, I just thought this was so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There is a rise in the availability of simple artificial

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Speaker 2: intelligence technology out there that allows you to do some

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Speaker 2: pretty amazing stuff. You can have a very mechanically written

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00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: essay pumped out almost instantaneously on something that would have

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Speaker 2: been fun when I was in you know, seventh grade

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Speaker 2: English class. You have just kidding. I would never I

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Speaker 2: would never want that For any of the young people listening,

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Speaker 2: don't ever take the shortcuts. Do all of the work.

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Speaker 2: Algebra is essential for your life. Don't let anyone tell

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Speaker 2: you otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Do they still sell like the spark Notes and the

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Speaker 1: cliff Notes in the same.

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Speaker 2: Way those online online. Yeah, I remember that it was

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Speaker 2: a study tool where they would sell that in bookstores,

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Speaker 2: the cliff Notes study tool, And some.

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Speaker 1: Of you out there probably told your parents, Oh, this

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Speaker 1: is just a supplement. I just want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that I'm not missing anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be fully enriched in this reading

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Speaker 2: of Catcher in the Rye without actually reading it, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the whole That's what the spark Notes

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Speaker 2: cliff Notes world could do for you. And I love

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Speaker 2: that they even had a warning on it. It was like,

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Speaker 2: don't don't use this instead of reading the book. You're

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Speaker 2: giving your precious years in order to get an education.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure a lot of the students who were

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Speaker 2: trying to cram the NYE before exams or whatever thought

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Speaker 2: for themselves, oh well, if they say I shouldn't do it,

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00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: maybe I should get back to reading it. Anyway. AI

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Speaker 2: tools now are all over the place. You can do

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Speaker 2: some pretty fun you have you experimented it all with

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Speaker 2: AI tools? Play just for fun, like try to see

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Speaker 2: if you could what would Clay Travis winning a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl look like? You know what I mean? And it

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Speaker 2: turns you into.

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Speaker 1: Have you No, I haven't actually gone on and looked

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Speaker 1: at it at all. You have you just kind of

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00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: played around with a tiny bit. I tried chat GPT

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Speaker 1: to see what that was like.

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Speaker 2: And I'm somebody who's I admit this that I'm by

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Speaker 2: no means even particularly technically inclined. I think all the

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Speaker 2: stuff about how artificial intelligence is going to turn into

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Speaker 2: something akin to the Skynet machine from Terminator, and that

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00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: the machines could destroy us all, I think that's a

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Speaker 2: little overblown. But I've even thought about it.

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Speaker 1: S already cut you off, but I have thought about

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Speaker 1: it in the context of our show, and even in

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Speaker 1: the context of a lot of you out there listen

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Speaker 1: to Rush for over the years. What's a little bit

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Speaker 1: scary to me is, let's say something happens to us.

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Speaker 1: Russia is obviously passed, but something happens to us down

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Speaker 1: the line. I feel like they could put all of

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Speaker 1: the audio from us, because you can basically have us

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Speaker 1: saying every word under the sun we're on fifteen hours

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Speaker 1: a week, and say, have Clay and or Buck talk

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Speaker 1: about you know, something that's going to happen in twenty

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Speaker 1: fifty based on what we've said in the past to

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Speaker 1: try to create a new version of a show, right,

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Speaker 1: Rush talk for thirty three years, there is a consistency.

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Speaker 1: I would argue to the things that he would say.

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Speaker 1: Could you take what he has said about past issues

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Speaker 1: and try to create a new version.

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Speaker 2: Commenting on real life? That's sary, right, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: human the AAI can't do creativity and improvisation and these

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Speaker 2: things the way that human beings can. That's just the

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00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: bottom line. But AI doesn't have weird moments like we

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Speaker 2: hear on this show. For example, how much time did

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Speaker 2: we spend talking about whether Clay could have a dental

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Speaker 2: hygienist who was a guy? You know, he got very

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Speaker 2: deep into that conversation, and I was like, maybe we

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Speaker 2: should talk about the inflation data, which is troubling for

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Speaker 2: the economy. He's like, hold on a second, buck, you

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Speaker 2: want a dude with his fingers in the I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about that during the break.

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Speaker 1: I think the reason there's no male hygienist is men's

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Speaker 1: hands are too big and they don't fit in mouths.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this while I was going to

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Speaker 1: get my smoothie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch enough Seinfeld. You will know

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Speaker 2: that some ladies have man hands. It's a thing, and

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Speaker 2: they're probably not dental hygienis. That's probably true as well.

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Speaker 2: All right. So AI is all over the place, and

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Speaker 2: it's happening more and more where you'll see something and

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Speaker 2: it's for parody purposes. It's amazing, right because you can

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Speaker 2: you can use it to you know, if you used

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Speaker 2: an AI machine, you could have I don't know, Nancy

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Speaker 2: Pelosi drinking chardonnay and insider trading while cackling about you know,

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Speaker 2: the lower clock and how they're gonna be stuck on

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Speaker 2: this wheel of poverty forever and it will make well

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Speaker 2: and that would just be a photo of Nancy Pelosi,

872
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Speaker 2: but it could make you some image that would show

873
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Speaker 2: you Nancy Pelosi, and it would be taking into account

874
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Speaker 2: those instructions, right, that's the way it works. So the

875
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Speaker 2: companies had the big AI companies in San Francisco, they're

876
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: not banning it. This just happened, but they are trying

877
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Speaker 2: to come up with guidelines about what the markings will

878
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: be on it, how they'll identify AI content. Because here's

879
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: where this is all going. There's gonna be stuff out

880
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: there that looks because this stuff it used to be

881
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: like you could see, you know, with what's that program

882
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 2: ever photoshop, right, you can see if somebody puts someone's

883
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: head on something else, it didn't look quite right. And

884
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: with some of this AI stuff now you really can't tell.

885
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: And that ability to look at something and say this

886
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: has been messed with, forged, faked. Remember where a big

887
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: deal it was for the Bush, the Bush administration when

888
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: he was running what was this in two thousand and four,

889
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: right against John Kerry and Dan Rather had the forged

890
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Speaker 2: National Guard documents right, and he tried to do that

891
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Speaker 2: to Now, I mean, anybody can come up with forged

892
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: National Guard documents to try to It's so easy to

893
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Speaker 2: make this stuff. And so on the one hand, Clay,

894
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about the actual weaponization of the technology for

895
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Speaker 2: dare I say, disinformation purposes. But just because the left

896
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: is obsessed with disinformation that isn't real doesn't mean that

897
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: there isn't disinformation, which I always think is important to

898
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: remind people that's a real thing. They say, Joe Biden,

899
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Speaker 2: can you know tie his own shoes? There's plenty of

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00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: disinformation out there. But Clay, the other part of it

901
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: is too think about the ways they can shut down.

902
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: Now they can just say, look what they did to

903
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Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden laptop. They said it bears all the

904
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: hallmarks of washing disinformation. Right. That was the way they

905
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: tried to underm on it and maybe even help Joe

906
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: win the election, or made Joe win the election by lying. Now,

907
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: anytime you see something, if you have a video of

908
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: Joe Biden accepting a bag of cash from one of

909
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: Hunter's Ukrainian bagmen, you could just say, I don't know,

910
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: it looks like AI to me. Nick, prove to me

911
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: it's not AI. And this is going to be I

912
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: think a big argument that people have over things. They're

913
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: going to just say that they're going to lie about it,

914
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: and it's going to really confuse the electorate.

915
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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and it's going to require a

916
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: lot of what people will say as well, is there

917
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: another video?

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00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: Right?

919
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: It used to be like, oh well we've got a

920
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: video evidence of it, Okay, like that is legit. Now

921
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: it's going to turn into if you want to argue

922
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: that something's not real, or if you want to argue

923
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: that something is real, you're going to need multiple versions

924
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: of that reality in order to prove it. And I

925
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: just I think we're going to get into an era

926
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Speaker 1: where a lot of people aren't going to care either,

927
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: and they're going to spread so quickly on social media

928
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: that what is and what is not fake is going

929
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: to become increasingly difficult, because if something is real and

930
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: it's particularly politically damaging, you can just say it's fake,

931
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: and how do you prove it?

932
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 2: To your point? Right?

933
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: The Hunter Biden laptop all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, Well,

934
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: anybody who looked into that at all knew that this

935
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: would have to be that based on the amount of

936
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: video and textual evidence this would there was no way

937
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: to fake that much. But if you want to believe

938
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: that something is is fake, you always have an excuse.

939
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: You always have the issue. You've basically created a reasonable

940
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: doubt excuse for any information that comes across the Internet

941
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: that you don't like about your guy. You can just

942
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: always say, I know it looks like AI to me.

943
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: Proved to it's not AI. And given what they did

944
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: with the Hunter Biden laptop, how could anyone think that

945
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: that's farfield? I think it's almost a certainty clay, which

946
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: is why they have this manifesto that the biggest tech

947
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: companies in the world. And remember these are some of

948
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Speaker 2: the richest and most powerful countries, I'm sorry, companies more

949
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: powerful than many countries on Earth. We're talking about you know, TikTok, Open, Ai, Adobe, Google, Meta,

950
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 2: all of it. Right, these are the big players, and

951
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: there's pressure from regulators about this, and people are saying

952
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: they need to stop the spread of fake election content.

953
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: But this is why, you know, all along the notion

954
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Speaker 2: that they'll be able to police lies on the internet,

955
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: You're never going to be able to police lies on

956
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: the internet. So what ends up happening is they create

957
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: the context for the disparate policing of what one side

958
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: doesn't want to hear anymore or doesn't want to hear

959
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: in the moment. And that's how we got the twenty

960
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: twenty election, right, That's how we got shutting you know,

961
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: Twitter saying that it was hacked material all this stuff.

962
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: It was essentially a fix. So I know, we don't

963
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: talk about AI a lot on this show. The implications

964
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: for a whole range of businesses are It's truly enormous.

965
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: In video is one of the is probably the biggest

966
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: stock success story I think of the year. I mean

967
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: in terms of just having a massive market cap company,

968
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, skyrocketing over the last twelve months or so.

969
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably some others, but I'm just saying

970
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: it's a huge company and this is going like we

971
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: know this is going to happen. This is coming down

972
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: the pike. And honestly, Clay, do you have I don't

973
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: know how we really stop it other than just you

974
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: fight bad speech with good speech, because there's going to

975
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: be AI deep fakes circulating that do sway people and

976
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: that people believe that's going to happen. There's no question.

977
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a lot of people have

978
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: to comment on it. I think it'll start this election

979
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: because I would expect that they'll be both pro Biden

980
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: and anti Biden, and pro Trump and anti Trump AI

981
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: fakes that are circulating on a regular basis, and I

982
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: just Biden is speaking right now, by the way. I

983
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: actually think this is where multiple videos become necessary so

984
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: that you can actually see what is and what is

985
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: not said, because it's I don't know the answer of

986
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: how you stop it from having a massive impact going forward,

987
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're just at the precipice of beginning

988
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: to understand how impactful it's going to be, because one

989
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: thing for there to be misinformation or disinformation out there,

990
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: which really the way it's been applied is often just

991
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: arguments you don't like, right, more so than anything else.

992
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: That's the way they've tried to police it. But they

993
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: are arguments that are being made, and they're trying to

994
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: check you. What about when the argument is is this

995
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: real or not? That becomes a totally different discussion.

996
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: Right.

997
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: It's one thing to say, oh, like I saw the

998
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: New York Times this morning, Buck, I was reading, and

999
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: I do think it's a good stat where you know,

1000
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: what percentage of parents have gotten their kids the updated

1001
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: booster shot tiny, I don't know, it's very five Yeah,

1002
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of parents have not gotten their kids.

1003
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 2: The new booster shot.

1004
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: Only forty percent of parents got their kids. The initial

1005
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine that obviously doesn't work, only forty percent.

1006
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: Did Those are facts? Right? Somebody could dispute whether or

1007
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: not that's true.

1008
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 1: Somebody putting out a video that is either showing something

1009
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: very positive about the COVID shot or something very negative.

1010
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: The first thing you have to figure out is is

1011
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: this real or not? I see if it's an image,

1012
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: for example, and there's no telltale, you know, marks on

1013
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: the image or anything to tell how do you know?

1014
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 2: How do you know? Yeah, I'm just saying, I mean,

1015
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: this is where you start to get into and even

1016
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: now we see things sometimes on X that are being

1017
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: shared and I think to myself, is this We're just yeah,

1018
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: we're yeah. We're just hoping that community notes and crowdsourcing

1019
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: is effectively going to prove, you know what, would let

1020
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: us know if this was fake. It's it's a big

1021
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: challenge everybody. I mean, I know it sounds like, oh,

1022
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: how much can this could actually turn an election? Maybe

1023
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: not this one, maybe not for a few elections, but

1024
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: it's coming up where there's going to be such a

1025
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: circulation of of fake but high level fake, you know,

1026
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: deep fakes, high level faked content online that it's going

1027
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: to sway public opinion, and how do you deal with it.

1028
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: It's it's really a big challenge. And the notion that

1029
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: this could be banned also, I would just that's that's

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1034
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1035
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1036
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Speaker 2: can be heard on an ultrasound. The staff working at

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