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Speaker 1: especially in today's NFL rop, I think number one priority

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Speaker 1: is solidifying that quarterback position. I'd say I think getting

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Speaker 1: Kyler in a good spot mentally, whether that is extending

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Speaker 1: him or if it's whatever it needs to be. You

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Speaker 1: need to have your leader of your team in a

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Speaker 1: good space. That's number one priority. Number two, there's certainly

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Speaker 1: there are needs. We talked about them. I think cornerback,

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Speaker 1: getting a lockdown cornerback is a top priority. Getting a

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Speaker 1: wider number two wide receiver to help out d Hop

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Speaker 1: take some pressure off of Kyler. I agree with Wolf

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Speaker 1: and interior offensive lineman. I think a guard is important,

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Speaker 1: very important, especially if this run game is going to

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Speaker 1: really blossom, and help Kyler take some pressure off of him.

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Speaker 1: And then I also I still think an interior defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: To me, you build a team from the inside out,

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Speaker 1: so you start it inside. You start with the interior,

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Speaker 1: both lines, and you work your way out for me. Paula,

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Speaker 1: I could just tell you right now, it is all

444
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Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray. Assuming Kyler Murray, of course is going

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Speaker 1: to be here, and I think we all do assume

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Speaker 1: that you gotta protect Kyler Murray and you got to

447
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Speaker 1: give Kyler Murray weapons. The strength of this team is

448
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: going to be the offense. As long as Kyler Murray

449
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Speaker 1: is your quarterback. You gotta protect Kyler Murray and you

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Speaker 1: got to give him options to throw too. So if

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Speaker 1: that means wide receiver, offensive guard, prioritize those two positions specifically. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are many reasons why the urgency is there right

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Speaker 1: why they're targeting this coming season. We know Tampa wanted

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Speaker 1: all when they hosted the Super Bowl. The Rams did

455
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Speaker 1: the same. But think about Tom Brady went to the

456
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Speaker 1: Bucks and won it his first year, Matthew Stafford did it,

457
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Speaker 1: and now maybe Russell Wilson is thinking, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: the Broncos and I'm gonna win a ring my first

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Speaker 1: year with that team. We'll talk about the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league as we continue with Rob Ferdickson on the

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Speaker 1: Big Red rage A Seattam. We got him do go Hawks,

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00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Go Hawks. But I'm gonna see y'all in the morning.

463
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: Finally you can go to see on the morning smoke

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Speaker 1: stacks of sacks make the big Red Rage presented by

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Speaker 1: santan Ford and Gilbert. Maybe one last time we'll see

466
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Speaker 1: somebody in Denver already took that clip. The last time

467
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson n C hard did a contract extension when

468
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: they announced it around midnight from their master bedroom h

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Speaker 1: and they dubbed in some Broncos talk into that. So

470
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: just to recreate it, do a dramatic reenactment, except in

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Speaker 1: the Denver perspective. So there you go, Russell Wilson going

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Speaker 1: from the NFC West to the a f C West.

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Speaker 1: Rob Frederickson is our guest, and simply plot is that

474
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Speaker 1: what the AFC West firmly in the number one position

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00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: of the division power poll in the NFL ROP. Well,

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00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: you look at the offensive firepower in that division. You

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00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: got a Herbert with the Chargers and Mahomes of course,

478
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: and Derek Carr with the Raiders and Al Russell Wilson.

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00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's a that's an unbelievable group of quarterbacks

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00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: right there, and the AVC West. He saw what the

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Speaker 1: Chargers did today and bringing in Khalil Mack, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to solidify their defense because every week in that division

483
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: there's there's offensive firepower for as far as you can see.

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00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Remember when the Chargers had Kelvin Ingram of course, and

485
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa as well, coming off those two edges right there.

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Speaker 1: I think they want to get back to that right there.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see if Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: can actually fulfill that promise right there, because he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a great couple of years. That's true. No, you're right,

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Speaker 1: you know, the last because until the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: the only player whose numbers even compared to Cleiol Mack

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Speaker 1: was Chandler Jones, you know, and sax Per attempts, sax

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Speaker 1: Per snap, et cetera. So we'll see how that goes,

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Speaker 1: especially with Joey Bosa on the other side. You know,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the halves and the have knots guys,

496
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Speaker 1: so Seattle firmly goes from the have to the have

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Speaker 1: knots when it comes to quarterback. Think about Denver. They

498
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: had started ten different quarterbacks since Peyton Manning left after

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty Each of the last five years, they

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Speaker 1: had started a different quarterback on their opener Indianapolis. This

501
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: year will start a different quarterback for this sixth straight year.

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Speaker 1: Washington has started twelve different quarterbacks since they acquired Alex

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Speaker 1: Smith from Casey in two eighteen. So it's the halves

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Speaker 1: and the have knots, and I think as more time passes,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna learn more as to what led to the

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Speaker 1: departure of Russell Wilson. Here's Colin Cowherd on his radio show,

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Speaker 1: Greg Olson, the former Seahawks tight end and al a

508
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Speaker 1: Fox analyst, and the question was about whether it's Seattle's

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Speaker 1: offense was anequated. I never thought they had a personnel issue.

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Speaker 1: The conversations that I would have with the coaches and

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Speaker 1: the amount of pushback and the amount of questions that

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Speaker 1: I would get in return saying you know, we're not

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Speaker 1: sure if we can do this. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: we can protect this, and I'd sit there scratching my head.

515
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: It was like we were playing with a JV roster.

516
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: It was like we were playing with a rookie, undrafted quarterback.

517
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Speaker 1: Like it was very interesting to me. I just think

518
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: the ideology there was always defense first, kicking, game punk

519
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: the ball, field position, forced turnovers, defensive lad and then

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00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: they'd hand the ball to Russ at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game and say, go be magic. I just think

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Speaker 1: it was part of Russell's frustration. I think it's why

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Speaker 1: Russ said, I want to go somewhere where this is

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Speaker 1: going to be an offensive quarterback driven team every Sunday

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Speaker 1: with the ball in my hand like Aaron Rodgers, like

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Speaker 1: the Stars. How about that? That's illuminating, isn't it that

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Speaker 1: that rob Maybe Seattle didn't let him, didn't let Russ

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Speaker 1: cook enough, and it led to his departure. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll is a defensive minded coach, and that's always

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Speaker 1: been the cornerstone of the Seahawks is play great defense,

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Speaker 1: great special teams, and run the football. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I really can't speak to whether their offense was antiquated.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, given the amount that Denver had

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Speaker 1: to give up to get Russell Wilson, you look around

535
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the league and it's as clear as day to me

536
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: that there's no other position in professional sports that's more

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00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: important than having a franchise quarterback. Yeah, it's virtually impossible

538
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Speaker 1: to win in this league without solidifying that position, without

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00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: having that quarterback that you can rely on on on

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00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: and that if you know you need to make a play,

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Speaker 1: he will make it. And that to me is the

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00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: most important position in professional sports. There's no data bought it.

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00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: And once again you have to wonder. Right now, Nathaniel

544
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: Hackett is the new head coach of the Denver Broncos,

545
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: coming from the Green Bay Packers. The Packers, of course,

546
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: what do they do. They go ahead, they line up,

547
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: they put Aaron Rodgers under center, a lot, they run

548
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: the tackle zone. They run the five plays that come

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00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: off the tackle zone, whether it's a bootleg, whether it's

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: a waggle, whether it's play action. They do it an

551
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: awful lot. Guess what, That's exactly what Russell Wilson used

552
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: to do with the Seattle Seahawks offense, and in Pete

553
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Carroll's offense, they're gonna do the exact same thing in Denver.

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00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I think they targeted

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00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. They're going to see him rolling out a

556
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: lot more because of it. I think they're gonna run

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: that kind of offense right there in Rundown situation. Yeah,

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00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: Denver is already has third best odds to win the AFC.

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00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Think about that, because they do have a lot of

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00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: other parts, and they do have a roster that's pretty loaded.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, what do you think of Bobby Wagner, Because

562
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: think about it. You go back to the twenty twelve draft.

563
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner were drafted one round a

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00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: part art and they they were the cornerstone of the

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00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: offense and defense for the last decade. About Bobby Wagner

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Speaker 1: leaving Seattle, and we think his market's going to be

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00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Rob Well, I think there's definitely gonna be a market

568
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: for him. He's he's yeah, he might not be the

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00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: player that he once was, but he's still young. He's

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00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: a perennial All Pro inside linebacker. Um. I just I

571
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: look at Seattle and they're they're in full rebuild mode.

572
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: So they're blowing that thing up and they're clearing cap space.

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: So you know, look, there's obviously going to be a

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00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: market for Bobby Wagner. He is a stud inside linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna have no problem. He's going to find a

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00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: new home real quick. Um. But you know it's he

577
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: started out with Seattle, and um, you know, he's it's

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00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: been a pleasure to watch him for all these years.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully he doesn't go somewhere else in the NFC West,

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Speaker 1: or NFC for that matter. But you know, I respect

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00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: him a ton and he's a great player. Man. I'll

582
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: tell you what. It's the end of an era in Seattle.

583
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: It is Russell Wilson. They're best player on the offense,

584
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner their best player on defense, No doubt about it.

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00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: It is an end of an era right now. I

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00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: part of me still believes Pete Carroll's gonna walk out

587
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: of that facility building and hit the lights and walk

588
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: out himself and say I'm done. I have a hard

589
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: time believing they're gonna go through a rebuild with a

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00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: seventy one year old coach. He's gonna be seventy one

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Speaker 1: in September. I'm surprised that this is happening. Bobby Wagner

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00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: and I just say, Paulie, we actually got an indicator

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00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: that things were amiss when we went up there to Seattle.

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00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: We are talking to some of the analysts and they

595
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: were saying, man, he does not look like Bobby Wagner.

596
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: He's not going about he's not taking it on blocks,

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00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: he's not going about his business the way that he

598
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: always has. They thought he was playing for his next

599
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: team by not actually engaging interesting And then a real

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00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: quick if don't you think you know, you talk about

601
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll being seventy one and entering a rebuild mode.

602
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: He's got the energy of being thirty one, and this

603
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: is something that might just energize him even more to

604
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: start over, to scrap it and totally rebuild it. I

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00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: don't think there's a question of his energy if anyone,

606
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: I think he's got the energy more than younger coaches

607
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: in this league. I wonder if they have something up

608
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: their sleep. GM John Schneider said, you know what, I

609
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: really like this Malik Willis kid. And now we have

610
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: the number nine pick in the draft after they saw

611
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: the combine or maybe just maybe they have designs on

612
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: bringing to Shaun Watson into the NFC West. Yeah, I

613
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: wonder if now you look at the rest of the

614
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: roster and it doesn't exactly scream contender. And even with

615
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson last year, they're the last place Seahawks right

616
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: for the first time in like fifteen years and Wolf,

617
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: we're up there. Remember the thing I remember most about

618
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: up there, along with Bobby Wagner or something, was the

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Speaker 1: fact that twelves we're raining booze. Yeah, team for the

620
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: first time. That was a tough environment. Yeah, that that

621
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: was pably. That was definitely a little weird right there.

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00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: You know again, Um, I think a lot of people

623
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Speaker 1: when they talk about the schemes being antiquated, Listen, the

624
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: National Football League is a blending of the old and

625
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: the new. That that's where this game is headed. That's

626
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: where every team has got to go. You got to

627
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: be able to be an offense that can do both.

628
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: You can actually blend the old schemes with the new

629
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: schemes coming up. And that's why I'm a little surprised,

630
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: because I do believe Pete Carroll is more old school,

631
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: more traditional than he is blending that new scheme, so

632
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: to speak. And because of that, that's where I thought

633
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: he might hit the lights and walk out. Well, and

634
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: keep in mind, you can rebuild very quick, and Seattle

635
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: has a boatload of picks now draft picks. Now, you

636
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: think back twenty five thirty years ago, what the Dallas

637
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys were able to do. I'm off the heels of

638
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: that herschel Walker trade and the draft capital of that

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Speaker 1: they got and what they were able to do getting

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, getting Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith. You can rebuild,

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Speaker 1: and you can build quickly in this league. Yeah, no doubt. Well,

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick sent out a video today of him working out.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's still only thirty four, Colin Kaepernick, and

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Speaker 1: he looked pretty dang athletic. Of course, he hasn't played

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Speaker 1: NFL football since Week seventeen of the twenty sixteen season.

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Speaker 1: But Rob, were you the one reporting that Tom Brady's

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Speaker 1: going to the forty nine ers? Were you the one

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Speaker 1: reporting that? No, I wasn't reporting that, But I do

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Speaker 1: have something to report, Paul, Michigan State just beat Maryland

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Speaker 1: and the basketball tournament I lose. I told Jim I'm

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Speaker 1: under producer, that I would get us through without any

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Speaker 1: mention of Michigan State, and I lost. So there we got.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Rob, Thanks guys, appreciate you. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: you go. March Matty. We gotta let him go. He's

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Speaker 1: got to get ready for Tom Iszzo's run, an run

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Speaker 1: in March Madness there former Michigan States Partan in first

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Speaker 1: round pick. We'll come back, we'll talk more about the division.

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Speaker 1: It zoom out around the NFL as we continue the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by Santan four in Gilbert second

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Speaker 1: and five of the eighteen shotgun formation. Again, three receivers,

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Speaker 1: two month, one right snapped, the garoppolo drops back to

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Speaker 1: throw and Trouble steps up and gets hit, and down

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Speaker 1: he goes. Chandler Jones was leading the way. They give

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones a full sack. He's the record holder. Chandler Jones,

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Speaker 1: the all time sack king for the Arizona Cardinals. You

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Speaker 1: should have seen the locker room when we announced that.

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00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: They went crazy. Now the all time sack leader in

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Speaker 1: the history. There's in the car. He's the guy who

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Speaker 1: brings joy every day. You know, he's always smiling, he's

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Speaker 1: always into it. And what a phenomenal run he's at here,

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Speaker 1: no doubt, Cliff Kingsbury. After that win against the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, down goes Jimmy g and there goes Chandler

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Speaker 1: Jones into the position as all time leader franchise leader

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Speaker 1: in sacks, passing your former teammate the late grate Freddie

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Speaker 1: Joe un Wolf. And you remember he pulled up his jersey,

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Speaker 1: had that T shirt honoring Freddie Joe Nunn after he

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00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: sacked Jimmy g and that got a lot of run

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Speaker 1: for the right reasons. And then of course he got

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Speaker 1: fine ten grand by the NFL for a uniform violation

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Speaker 1: hashtag week sauce. But but Chandler did the right thing

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Speaker 1: there after, making a great play and what a great

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Speaker 1: weight on her Freddie Joan. Yeah, then he absolutely poly.

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00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: Freddie Joe was such a great guy. And to see

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Speaker 1: Chan do that, that was class act. But you know

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Speaker 1: what that's been Chan, That's been Chandler Jones since he's

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Speaker 1: been here. Class act. You show me how many guys

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Speaker 1: signed that big money contract and actually get better. That's

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Speaker 1: what Chan did. And we've had the pleasure of having

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Speaker 1: him on the Big Red Rage over the years several times.

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Speaker 1: He's great. I mean he is so good in front

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Speaker 1: of the audience, so good on air, as Kingsbury said,

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Speaker 1: so great in the locker room. So for all those

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Speaker 1: reasons and more. This is what Steve Kime said when

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Speaker 1: asked about Chandler Jones and then your future when he

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Speaker 1: was at the combine. He's one of the twenty one

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Speaker 1: that we would obviously like to have back. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we all know that market dictates that, and

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Speaker 1: we'll have you know, certainly conversations with his representatives as well.

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Speaker 1: And look, well, we vividly remember life before Chandler Jones.

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Speaker 1: What would we say this time of year. We would

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Speaker 1: always say the Cardinals need they need a pass rusher

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Speaker 1: that the opposing offensive coordinator has to account for, has

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Speaker 1: to game plan for. And if Chandler signs in the

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Speaker 1: line of his daughter with another team for big money,

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Speaker 1: which is the expectation that Cardinals got to fill that

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Speaker 1: that area, I mean, that is a definite need. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is, Paul. And it's been so great to have

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Speaker 1: Chan actually be the edge guy here for the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals over the last five years where you didn't have

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Speaker 1: to really worry about, well, who's going to come off

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Speaker 1: the edge, you know, and just knowing that Chan was

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Speaker 1: going to be that guy. Paul. But let me just

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Speaker 1: say this, I when you talk about free agency and

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals getting a free agent that is going

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Speaker 1: to make a difference. Can I start with James Connor?

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Speaker 1: Can I start there, paul you know that is my

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Speaker 1: wish list. I'm sorry that guy changed the Arizona Cardinal's offense.

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Speaker 1: I think he changed a lot of the locker room.

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Speaker 1: I think he changed a lot of the perception of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals not being a very physical team. James

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Speaker 1: Connor is a guy that I would love to have back.

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Speaker 1: And then after that, when you start looking around the league,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna lose chan because you're probably not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to pay him seventeen eighteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, which I think he's going to get from

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Speaker 1: another team, maybe Hassan Reddick come home, son, it's time

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Speaker 1: for you to come home. Maybe Hassan Reddick is a

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Speaker 1: name that pops up, and maybe he doesn't have quite

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Speaker 1: the juice of a Chandler Jones, So maybe you could

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Speaker 1: actually sign him to oh, I don't know, twelve thirteen

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. Maybe that's wishful thanking Paulie, but I'd

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Speaker 1: love to have Hassan. Yeah, I mean, and there aren't

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Speaker 1: a lot of names out there, Hassan Reddick is one

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Speaker 1: of them. Harold Landry was just signed to a big

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Speaker 1: deal by Tennessee. He's not going to hit the market,

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Speaker 1: maybe Emmanuel Ogba from Miami who's been up and coming. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: you gotta look at maybe a Randy Gregory who's been

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Speaker 1: wildly inconsistent and has a serious checkered past. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can shoot for the sky with von

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Speaker 1: Miller if he doesn't go to Denver, But it sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's lobbying and pining to go back to the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Yes, but I'm with you on the James Connor.

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Speaker 1: The other position too, where you'd really like to see

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals retain their own guy would be a tight end,

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Speaker 1: whether it's zach Ertz and or Max Williams. I mean,

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Speaker 1: right now, you have zero quality tight ends under contract,

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Speaker 1: and so if there's some way, somehow they could get

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Speaker 1: zach Ertz and Max Williams coming off the knee injury,

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Speaker 1: maybe his market value is suppressed because of that. If

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Speaker 1: they could those two guys in man, would that be

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Speaker 1: a good way to start the ausic. Yeah, Paulia, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you on that one right there also too, if

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Speaker 1: in fact we're dreaming, Okay, can I dream, Paula, Can

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Speaker 1: I go ahead and actually have a wish list? Guy

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Speaker 1: can I do that? How about j C. Jackson? Okay,

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Speaker 1: from the Patriots. J C. Jackson, Um, listen, I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to get paid. Can we have one guy

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Speaker 1: that we could wish you could land one big fish?

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Speaker 1: J C. Jackson the corner of course, from the Patriots

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Speaker 1: six one, two hundred pounds almost two hundred pounds. A

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Speaker 1: guy that can play that press man, cover that vance

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Speaker 1: Joseph loves so much. Man, that those three corners right there.

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Speaker 1: When you think about it, if in fact you were

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Speaker 1: able to get even if Stefan Gilmore, if you were

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Speaker 1: able to get Gilmore ball, can I dream on that

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Speaker 1: one right there? That might be more realistic? Because jac

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Speaker 1: Jackson wants like Jalen Ramsey, money, doesn't he So I

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Speaker 1: don't know about but it doesn't mean you can give

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Speaker 1: it to a Let's get back to your James Connor

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Speaker 1: and then my zach Ertz, because here's both of them

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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, this upcoming period where their futures

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Speaker 1: are hanging in the balance. You know, just what easy

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Speaker 1: opportunity they gave me, you know, and just relationships I

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Speaker 1: built there, you know, we'd love to continue out there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, free agents. So I'm excited to see what's next.

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Speaker 1: You know, a man of faith, so I know it

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Speaker 1: all work out for me. I've loved my time here

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. I would love the opportunity to continue here.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things out of my control. Got

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Speaker 1: a lot of good players at our free agents as well,

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Speaker 1: so it may not be even up to me, but

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Speaker 1: I still feel like we have unfinished business as a team.

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Speaker 1: I would love to be a part of it. There

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Speaker 1: you go, Snack Hurts right after the season ended. That

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Speaker 1: was James Connor from the Pro Bowl, you know, and

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Speaker 1: they're not the only ones. How about receiver Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 1: And you saw NFL Network this morning saying I know

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Speaker 1: he could get anywhere from twelve to fifteen million on

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Speaker 1: the open market per year. Yeah. I don't think Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't think the Arizona Cardinals are going

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Speaker 1: to be able to match what he's going to get

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Speaker 1: out there. And I say good for Christian Kirk. Way

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Speaker 1: to go, Christian. But you know what Max Williams is

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Speaker 1: in a Max Williams and James Connor, Max Williams and

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Speaker 1: James Connor, Paully, you go back and you look at

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinal's offense when Max Williams and James Connor

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Speaker 1: were running rampant. Those two guys made a difference in

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Speaker 1: rundown situation first and ten, second and one to six.

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Speaker 1: If Max Williams is healthy again, I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: him sign Max Williams and James Connor. And well, you

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00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: know this better than anyone, that physical style. Both guys

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00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: play with it just it lifts the entire sideline. Defensive

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Speaker 1: guys get off the bench when James Connor jack stomps

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Speaker 1: a defender, when they notice that defenders are turning down

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Speaker 1: the tackle. You're right. It just it's a different mentality

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Speaker 1: and you need that, especially in this division. A special

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Speaker 1: thanks for Rob Frederickson for joining us, Jim Almahendro, Cody

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Speaker 1: Fincher for Ron Wolfley on Paul Calvc. It all starts

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Speaker 1: on Monday in the negotiating, it becomes official on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: free agency right around the corner. And we had you

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