WEBVTT - An Internet that Spans the Stars 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:13.720 Works dot com. Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.320 your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.840 and we are reaching to you one way or another 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.919 through the Internet. We are crawling out to you through 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.200 the quote unquote into webs, through the tubes, slithering our 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.920 way towards your ear, yeah, sometimes traveling through the air, uh, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.840 and then into a device, and then through chords through 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.320 the air again and then into your skull, which is uh. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.360 I mean that's the way the Internet gets it gets 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.440 it hooks into you, you know, it gets it roots 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.440 down into you, like like some sort of organism and 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.840 an organism that just continues to grow and to grow 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:51.120 and to consume and consume. And where does it all end. Well, 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.800 eventually it goes into space, right yeah, I mean, which 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.640 just what we're gonna talk about today. We're talking about 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:01.800 this idea of a space that is a networked space 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.559 that um, we live in. I mean, it's it's really 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.600 crazy when you when you think of the Internet in 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:14.440 terms of like human culture is sort of half biological 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.360 and structural and then half information half Internet. Like we 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:23.920 are where does humanity end and Internet began at this 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.640 point you know well, and you've said before um um, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.600 and I agree, like we already are cyborgs to some extent. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.680 So this is just sort of a natural, uh, you know, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.080 outburst of what we have here on planet Earth that 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.600 we will take into space for many good reasons, I think, um. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.560 But before we talk about that, I did want to 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.959 talk about how this this is something that will happen 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.400 based on what we've seen here on Earth. And I'm 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.200 sure all heard of something called Moore's law, this idea 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.400 that computing power doubles every two years. And we've seen 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.000 this with you know, technology at least since the seven 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.760 in ds UM on a very grand scale. So now 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.440 that there's this idea of something called the Internet of things, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.800 and this is an idea of a lot of two 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:18.480 way interaction between people using open source software systems to 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:24.280 share ideas, create ideas out of basically thin air. Um 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.960 fab Labs is something that m I T Professor Neil 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.600 gershon Field created. It's essentially computer labs all of the 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.440 world that use open software so that just about anybody 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.920 who's interested can dream up a thing in a computer 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.600 model and then make it UM. So it's about this 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.399 idea about how we're we've gone beyond not just being 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.279 networked and sharing information, but now creating things out of it. 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.240 Is very interesting and that's why they call it the 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.760 Internet of things. UM. You know, look back to sixth 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.760 cents uh, wearable technology. We talked about this before. All surfaces, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.680 all things become networked, can project um. These networks are 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:07.679 that this internet capabilities basically onto anything, right, and everything 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.760 is is taking a new data, collecting data and passing 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.240 it one potentially giving a stata as well. Your refrigerator 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.359 is telling you that your eggs are expired. The chair 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.680 that you're sitting in is telling you that, um, you 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.280 know your your vital signs are the following or your 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.200 moods are the following. Based on this UM everything becomes 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:35.120 alive and networked. And so it's very interesting to think that, um, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.720 you now you can create something just out of your 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.440 head and say, okay, well let's let's you know, rig 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.800 up this three D printing and I'm going to create 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.800 a piece of jewelry that I've just designed or an organ. Right, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.920 So okay, what do you do once you have networked 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.000 the earth and every imaginable surface becomes alive with data. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.600 What do you do? I mean you well, I was 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.360 gonna say, you do whatever you want, right, I mean, 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.320 it's like the utimate freedom. You're not ultimately creative freedom 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.320 in a way, though you can see where it could 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.000 sort of lead to creative stagmentation as well. I don't know. Well, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.560 I mean there's this idea that we are in a 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.960 weird way. If you take a space analogy where there's 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.440 you know, microgravity or you know, nearly the void here 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.800 that there's no gravity, the same thing is happening on 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.480 a technological scale that we're not moored by our computer 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.000 equipment anymore. Now it's all sort of becoming UM, this 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:33.080 free floating thing, this cloud computing, UM, this wearable technology 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.680 that doesn't tether us to something. So it would make 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.919 sense that we would look to the skies and say, okay, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.520 if we are going to um continue manned and robotic missions, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.839 which we are, then we need to figure out a 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:52.520 way to connect ourselves planet to planet UM and uh, 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.320 you know wherever else we go out there in the wild. Yeah, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.080 So we end up pursuing this idea of an interplanetary internet, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.719 and this has been on has been on the table 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.440 for you years, um, and we've had several projects come along, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.440 um and uh, you know with with varying degrees of 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.119 success or cancelation. I mean you've had the canceled Mars 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.120 Telecommunications orbiter. There was deep impact networking uh DP in 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.880 on the I S, S S. Astronauts are using Facebook already, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.360 And I mean it all comes down to, alright, we're 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.480 gonna send probes out. We want these, we need these 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.960 probes to communicate with us. They are part of our technology, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.600 they're part of our technological information culture. They are they 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.640 are parts of humanity, and so they need to be 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.480 connected to us by this greasy tentacle of data. And 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.520 uh and for that in place, we need an Internet 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.320 connection out there. We need to be able to to 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.200 set up the the servers that make this possible. Well, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:52.880 I'm surely if we wireless, because yeah, that's gonna be 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.760 just a mess, isn't it. Um? And yeah, let's extrapolate 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.919 this out ten tho years from now. And we you know, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.800 we just talked about this idea of a colonizing space. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.800 So what sort of you know, virtual life can you 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:11.159 create out in space? And what will it look like um, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.640 you know, on each planet or you know in each 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.480 area that we decided to focus on, and will it 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.960 be worth living if you don't have a good Internet 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.440 connection out there? Right? Well? Yeah, I mean that part 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.480 of the reason why UM on the International Space Station 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.800 they have UM Internet capability is this idea that you 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.400 can tap back into life on Earth. Again, if it's 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.320 a huge psychological factor to be able to feel connected, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.680 what's interesting those you and and again it you also 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.640 get into ideas of if we can't physically go to places, 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.039 then we can digitally go to them. We can we 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.919 can control and communicate with distant probes. We can conceivably 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:55.080 use virtual reality or UM or or even digitized consciousness 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.520 if you really want to look long term to actually 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.440 travel there in the form of a machine or or 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.200 a mechanical avatar. UM. All these things are kind of 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.560 on the table long term. But but you need that 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.960 Internet in place to do it. But it's not just 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.800 as simple as oh, now we have wireless and expans 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.520 tremendous distances. You end up with it with a number 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.640 of problems you have to deal with. First of all, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.680 satellite maintenance. If you have various satellites and servers out 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.880 there floating around. Um. You know, they might not have 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.120 to deal with a ton of of maintenance, but you're 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.480 gonna still have your You're still expanding, You're gonna have 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.920 to maintain this network. There's also the possibility of hackers 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.200 and break in. So I mean hackers. Hacker is gonna hack, right, 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:42.440 I mean, that's just how it goes. It doesn't necessarily 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.120 you you need to make sense because you might say, oh, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.480 why would a hacker mess with our ability to communicate 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.760 with space? Probs, they'll do it because that's what they do. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.120 Because some of them are fifteen yeah, you know, um, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.880 and then they'll be varying levels of people making political statements, etcetera. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.160 But we've we've seen enough of our history that that 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.280 they are just a part of it. They're the germs, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.800 um or that what depends on the point of view. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.640 You could also see them as a at times as 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.200 a defensive part of an immune system as well. But 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.520 they are inniably a part of our information technological culture. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.360 Well and right now. I mean, security is a huge 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.840 issue and a lot of people have bandied about the 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:29.400 idea of quantum cryptology. But um or cryptography. But even 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.400 that is not secure, that is breakable. So yeah, you know, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.599 is it possible to even have a super secure system, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.360 I mean really anything attackable At that point, you can't 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.400 use the honor system at all, even with even with 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.800 space travel. Uh. And then the other big thing is 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.960 the is that when we when we're dealing with long 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.959 distances like this, we're dealing with cosmic distances, be it 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:56.439 from say Earth to Uranus or Earth to some distance system, 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.360 you're dealing with speed of light delays. Okay, so on 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.120 Earth we have two community computers connected to the Internet, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.760 maybe there are a few thousand miles away at most, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:10.640 and uh, the information can travel is really remarkable speeds. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.000 It's it's almost instantaneous. I have a bit of data, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.400 I send it to you and wham it's fair. Right, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.559 but how fast can we actually send data? Right? Light 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.680 travels at eighties six thousand miles per second, so it 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.960 only takes a you know, a few factions was a 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.320 second to send a packet of data from one computer 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.240 to another. In contrast, distances between a station on Earth 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.520 and one on Mars can be between thirty eight million 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.480 miles and two eight million miles, so these distances, you 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.280 can take several minutes or hours for a radio signal 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.360 to reach a receiving station. Yeah, and can I let 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.400 me jump in and just talk about this packet of 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.320 data that that gets transmitted because of the World Science 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.680 Festival UM. On a panel about the past history of 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.720 Internet in the future, they talked about what it takes 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.440 to transmit this packet and I find it fascinating if 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:03.960 you break it down and then you start to think 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.160 about it in the void. So okay, let's say a 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.960 person in England clicks on a World Science Festival link. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.360 This is what happens, and I'll just run you through it, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.880 because like fascinating to me at least. First, a server 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.839 asked for a copy of the page that you want 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.120 to look at, basically, and then this request is wrapped 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.280 in data including the World Science Festival's i P address. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.960 The packet leaves the home computer, travels underground via copper 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.360 wire network, routes itself through a regional network, then ends 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:36.520 up at an Internet hub at Telehouse North in London. Okay, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.080 so this hub then looks at it and says, okay, 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.040 this packets UM. Well, the World Science Festival server is 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.240 in l A. So we're gonna have to get this 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.240 over there, so tell a house North then sends the 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.000 packet out is light through fiber optic cables in the ocean, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.040 where the packet is then routed to a hub in 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.720 New York. The hub sends the packet through a series 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.120 of regional networks there until it reaches the server in 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.520 l A. Okay, this is crazy, right, because this is 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.520 a lot of things. It's not even done yet, it's 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.520 halfway there, but there's a ton of things happening here. Uh. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.600 The server then receives and reads the request and gets 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.760 ready to send information to England. But web pages are 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:14.600 like they're way too large to be sent as a 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.320 single packet of data, So the data spread out into 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.600 tiny packets of data, each one wrapped in the information 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.640 it needs to then rebuild itself back in England. And 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.839 then these packets are then checked and sent by the 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.960 hub in l A back to New York and back 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.520 through the fiberactive cables to England and back through that 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.199 regional network and then back to the man of the 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.600 copper wire back to that home in England, where they 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:44.280 all form into one cohesive web page. And this whole 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.800 journey takes one second. Okay. So that's that's one of 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.480 those things that we just completely take for granted that 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.160 that our networks are are so well tied together and 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.199 their data is being parsed out in such a way 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.440 the to you know, give us the data that we want, 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.920 you know, one second later. So when we're talking about 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.040 sending information out to sam Mars colony or or a 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.600 or a space probe, that's uh, that's that's sailing away 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.520 from our system. We're talking about taking information, breaking up 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.040 into pieces and then sending a swarm of those pieces 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.760 at the destination. Right. So I mean there's there's different 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.400 protocols here, and that's what they're trying to figure out. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:34.480 Vincent Serf, who is called the father of the Internet, um, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:39.520 also works for Google now their head evangelist or something, yeah, 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.520 chief evangelist Officers and something like that. Um, he's actually 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.679 creating those protocols and standardizing them so that everybody can 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.760 use them, um, every nation that wants to. And it's 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.040 it's again, it's it's a little bit different because it's 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.520 going to be networked different. The highway is going to 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.160 be um, you know, it's not It's like we can 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.600 just run FIBERCT cables up, you know, to Mars, right, 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.120 and we have to we have to factor in data loss. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:06.839 We have to factor in that you're not going to 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.800 have a consistent stream of information between these two places, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.240 even though there are some really interesting UM plans for 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.679 you know, partially using lasers to pitch this information out there, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.360 but but ultimately well, one of the things that really 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.800 fascinates me is the idea that assuming that we we 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:28.040 do not find a loophole in um in in the 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.160 the speed limit of light in terms of transferring information, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.199 assuming that we're long term, we're beholden to that law 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.880 that that no information, no spaceship, nothing can travel faster 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.720 than a beam of light across the galaxy. We end 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.400 up with a situation where you could say, let's say 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.880 you have Earth, all right, and you have Earth's Internet 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.560 and it's localized Internet, and then let's say you have 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.240 a distant colony at what distance do you end up 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.880 having this mitosis of of internet and this mitosis of 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.880 culture to where h as interconnected as we feel with 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.120 our internet, um you would end up in a situation where, uh, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.360 due to this time delay of sending information. You would 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.680 you would have these two colonies in touch with each 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.880 other and they would have regular updates about their news, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:23.359 but you would have uh, growing and ever distancing Internet cultures. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:27.600 So new memes that are that are particularly only to 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.400 this world, up to the date information, up to date 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.080 information that's specific only to this world, uh, and they 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.640 sort of grow into different informational cultural environments. I mean, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.640 what you're talking about here is the evolution of language. UM. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.440 And I read this UM, and some of them share 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.880 that we prepared. We were talking about living in space 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:51.160 that eventually, UM, that even speech patterns would be altered 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.920 because sound travels a little bit differently and so UM. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.960 You know, essentially you can still communicate with one another, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.920 but over a hundred thousand years, you know, speech patterns 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.160 may change very differently for people who are living off 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.680 Earth permanently. UM. So that's really interesting that you bring 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:12.480 up the memes and the metaphors that someone on Earth 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.440 may not be able to get. If you know, someone's 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:19.160 living on Mars because you have a completely different environment. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.200 You know, the sun um is beating down on you 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:26.520 in a completely different way. And to try to communicate 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.440 that to someone else outside of that experience. That's what 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.880 causes you know, different cultures in different languages, right, yeah, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.360 I mean it to go back to you know, in 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.480 the past we've discussed say artificial gravity, magical artificial gravity, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.560 and how that's something that sort of shows up in 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.440 science fiction and we just you know, we don't think 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.000 about it all that much. Spaceship it has gravity like 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.200 Earth because people to film that way and we don't 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.760 have to think that hard about it. Likewise, you see, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.160 you know classic Star Trek, right, two individuals are talking 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.840 to each other is just you know, ones on one 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.400 screen the others on the other. And we often we 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.240 often don't a factor in these vast distances that we're 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.760 communicating across because we're probably already skimming over how we're 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.160 traveling those distances, are using um, potentially problematic science to 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.760 explain in a galactic travel, So in a galactic communication 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.640 that just you know, penciled inn in the margins. Uh 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.800 but uh but but to you have to imagine of 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.560 a future where these different worlds have have different Internet 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:30.600 that that communicating between uh one colony and another would 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.360 it would harken back to the days of sending a 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.800 telegram or or snail mail where you would have to 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.200 wait for this packet of data to travel at even 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.840 at just a phenomenal speeds to travel, to be received 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.800 and then to travel back to you. Um, it's it's 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.320 fascinating because I mean, the more we see the Internet 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.560 in the speed of information unitis here on Earth and 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.080 uh and in our more optimistic moments, we imagine it 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:03.040 ultimately bring us all together. Um, the idea that that 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.560 just isn't possible given the vast distances in the in 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.399 the the speed limit of light when it comes to 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.160 envisioning our future out in the stars. Well, and there's 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.320 also this question of who who is? Uh? When I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.399 say who, I mean more like national identity. Who is 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.359 going to be creating this network and dominating it? Right? 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.440 Because well, not presumably, but most likely there's probably gonna 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.160 be one player in here that's going to have more 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.520 of an influence um, what gets designed and how it 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:41.600 influences our communication. So it's it's interesting, which is unavoidable 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.600 you end up with like Catholic Google and then Eastern 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:49.000 Orthodox Google. Right, Well, I don't know, because here's the thing, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.840 Like you know, again, if you're living on Mars, do 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.359 you have. You've talked about this before too extensively. What 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.399 does religion mean in space at that point? With that 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:05.679 perspective of so, there could be very huge cultural divides. Um. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.480 And that's not necessarily what we were intending to talk 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:11.119 about today, like this offer cultural divide brought on by 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.000 the Internet. But we've already um been able to look 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.560 at the Internet in retrospect and see how influences culture. Um. 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.800 So it's interesting to extrapolate that mount into space. Yeah, totally. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.680 I mean, that's that's the part of this. It really 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.920 blows my mind. I mean because the idea of all right, well, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.440 you know, how do we have have space probs communicate 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.040 with each other, how an offerable colony communicate with us? 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.160 I mean, that's really fascinating. I love that. But when 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.240 you start thinking about the cultural ramifications and the personal ramifications, um, 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.280 I mean, that's that's where I really connect with the issue. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.960 So all right, hey, we're gonna take a quick break 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.960 and we come back. We're gonna wrap things up and 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:52.960 we're gonna run through some liner mail. All right, we 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.280 have returned. Um. So yeah, there's just a little bit 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:02.120 of of insight into where we're going with the internet, um, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.760 immediately and then long term as we're trying to imagine 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.800 what life beyond our world might consist of, especially when 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.439 you when you think of the human race, is not 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.159 nearly this organic thing or even this uh, this world 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:21.160 of things, but this internet of things, this internet of existence. Yeah, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.480 all right, well let's uh, let's take a look at 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.120 a couple of data packets that came in. Oh yes, yes, 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:31.119 bring us some of these robot the listener mail. All right. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.880 First of all, um, I think was the fiction podcast 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.880 where we're talking about the way fiction alters our perception 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.159 of reality and ultimately the manifestation of reality around us, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.000 especially in terms of culture, not so much the laws 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.840 of physics, but but certainly the way that we behave 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.639 as a as a people. Um. I think that was 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.119 the one where I brought up that I did not 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.360 really understand what she's a brick house. She's mighty mighty 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.240 hang out what that means. But because it because time 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.000 I hear she's a brick house, I imagine a woman 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.680 made out of bricks, and I don't see how that's 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.679 particularly attractive because it's a woman made up of bricks. 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.439 And we were talking about the tactile parts of our 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.840 brains that respond to metaphors, if I remember correctly. Yeah, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.360 And so Jim writes in and he explained it. He says, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.240 she's a brick house because she's stacked, as like bricks 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.760 are stacked. Shack it down, shack it down, now, Jim 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.880 in New Jersey. So I guess that makes sense. She's 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.120 so that the whole thing is that's bricks are stacked. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.000 She is stacked, stacked in the sense that she's put 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:40.879 together and busty, right, That that what I'm getting here. Yeah, busty, 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.679 it would say, is what stacks means. Yeah, okay, all right, 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.000 Well that I'm still picturing a woman made out of bricks, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.280 but I have a little more background on that now. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.159 Thank you for the funky inside the Jim Um. We 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.040 received some more listener mail regarding the episode The Horror, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.480 where we talked about how our brains working when watching 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.040 scary movie these want we're addicted to it and uh 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.639 and that, you know, really connected with a number of people. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:07.720 We heard from a listener by the name of Sean 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.960 Uh Sean Nicoliffe I can use his last name since 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.840 he's writing online here, and Hedio writes and to say 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.280 I recently listened to your show about horror, and being 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.399 a staff writer for horror Attics dot net, wanted to 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.240 send my thoughts. I primarily do reviews of horror films, 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.120 and with over sixty films I've reviewed, I've covered decades 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.520 and uh and genres of film. I've come to believe 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.000 and this is my personal opinion, but the type of 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.399 of horror a fan wraps their mind around depends a 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.960 lot on their age. Those who are younger under twenty 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.439 five seem to go for the quick slasher types of movies, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.640 these being things like Saw, Final Destination and just gore 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.360 Field films. In general, this is because they are used 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.960 to more instant gratification and their attentions fans are a 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.399 bit short. As we get older, our case may change 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.320 is we look for people to scare our our minds, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.800 and thus one horror that hits the mind more than 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.600 the site. A great example of the current horror trend 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.760 is how Josh Weeden's The Cabin in the Woods shows 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.919 us how horror films are very formulate, and all you 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.240 need to do is get a group of kids, random 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.760 monster and kill all but one, and you get yourself 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.399 a horror film people want to see, and he goes 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.320 in from there to discuss I think some more spoilery stuff. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:21.440 So I'll leave it at that. But Sean writes under 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.679 the name night Missed at the Horror Attics and he 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.199 recently did a top ten where you just mentioned his 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.720 top ten favorite. Yeah that was interesting all the cap Yeah, 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:33.480 so just real quick. He has an extensive post on this, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.679 you can look up at her attics dot net. But 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.200 just to run through his ten favorites. Salem's Lot Saturday nine, 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.720