1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: and we are reaching to you one way or another 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: through the Internet. We are crawling out to you through 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: the quote unquote into webs, through the tubes, slithering our 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: way towards your ear, yeah, sometimes traveling through the air, uh, 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: and then into a device, and then through chords through 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: the air again and then into your skull, which is uh. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's the way the Internet gets it gets 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: it hooks into you, you know, it gets it roots 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: down into you, like like some sort of organism and 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: an organism that just continues to grow and to grow 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: and to consume and consume. And where does it all end. Well, 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: eventually it goes into space, right yeah, I mean, which 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: just what we're gonna talk about today. We're talking about 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: this idea of a space that is a networked space 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: that um, we live in. I mean, it's it's really 19 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: crazy when you when you think of the Internet in 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: terms of like human culture is sort of half biological 21 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: and structural and then half information half Internet. Like we 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: are where does humanity end and Internet began at this 23 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: point you know well, and you've said before um um, 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: and I agree, like we already are cyborgs to some extent. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: So this is just sort of a natural, uh, you know, 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: outburst of what we have here on planet Earth that 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: we will take into space for many good reasons, I think, um. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: But before we talk about that, I did want to 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: talk about how this this is something that will happen 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: based on what we've seen here on Earth. And I'm 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: sure all heard of something called Moore's law, this idea 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: that computing power doubles every two years. And we've seen 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: this with you know, technology at least since the seven 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: in ds UM on a very grand scale. So now 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: that there's this idea of something called the Internet of things, 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: and this is an idea of a lot of two 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: way interaction between people using open source software systems to 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: share ideas, create ideas out of basically thin air. Um 39 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: fab Labs is something that m I T Professor Neil 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: gershon Field created. It's essentially computer labs all of the 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: world that use open software so that just about anybody 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: who's interested can dream up a thing in a computer 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: model and then make it UM. So it's about this 44 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: idea about how we're we've gone beyond not just being 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,279 Speaker 1: networked and sharing information, but now creating things out of it. 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: Is very interesting and that's why they call it the 47 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Internet of things. UM. You know, look back to sixth 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: cents uh, wearable technology. We talked about this before. All surfaces, 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: all things become networked, can project um. These networks are 50 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: that this internet capabilities basically onto anything, right, and everything 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: is is taking a new data, collecting data and passing 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: it one potentially giving a stata as well. Your refrigerator 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: is telling you that your eggs are expired. The chair 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: that you're sitting in is telling you that, um, you 55 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: know your your vital signs are the following or your 56 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: moods are the following. Based on this UM everything becomes 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: alive and networked. And so it's very interesting to think that, um, 58 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: you now you can create something just out of your 59 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: head and say, okay, well let's let's you know, rig 60 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: up this three D printing and I'm going to create 61 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: a piece of jewelry that I've just designed or an organ. Right, 62 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: So okay, what do you do once you have networked 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: the earth and every imaginable surface becomes alive with data. 64 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: What do you do? I mean you well, I was 65 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: gonna say, you do whatever you want, right, I mean, 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: it's like the utimate freedom. You're not ultimately creative freedom 67 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: in a way, though you can see where it could 68 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: sort of lead to creative stagmentation as well. I don't know. Well, 69 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean there's this idea that we are in a 70 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: weird way. If you take a space analogy where there's 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, microgravity or you know, nearly the void here 72 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: that there's no gravity, the same thing is happening on 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: a technological scale that we're not moored by our computer 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: equipment anymore. Now it's all sort of becoming UM, this 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: free floating thing, this cloud computing, UM, this wearable technology 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't tether us to something. So it would make 77 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: sense that we would look to the skies and say, okay, 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: if we are going to um continue manned and robotic missions, 79 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: which we are, then we need to figure out a 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: way to connect ourselves planet to planet UM and uh, 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: you know wherever else we go out there in the wild. Yeah, 82 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: So we end up pursuing this idea of an interplanetary internet, 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: and this has been on has been on the table 84 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: for you years, um, and we've had several projects come along, 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: um and uh, you know with with varying degrees of 86 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 1: success or cancelation. I mean you've had the canceled Mars 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Telecommunications orbiter. There was deep impact networking uh DP in 88 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: on the I S, S S. Astronauts are using Facebook already, 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: And I mean it all comes down to, alright, we're 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: gonna send probes out. We want these, we need these 91 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: probes to communicate with us. They are part of our technology, 92 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: they're part of our technological information culture. They are they 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: are parts of humanity, and so they need to be 94 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: connected to us by this greasy tentacle of data. And 95 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: uh and for that in place, we need an Internet 96 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: connection out there. We need to be able to to 97 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: set up the the servers that make this possible. Well, 98 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm surely if we wireless, because yeah, that's gonna be 99 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: just a mess, isn't it. Um? And yeah, let's extrapolate 100 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: this out ten tho years from now. And we you know, 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: we just talked about this idea of a colonizing space. 102 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: So what sort of you know, virtual life can you 103 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: create out in space? And what will it look like um, 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, on each planet or you know in each 105 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: area that we decided to focus on, and will it 106 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: be worth living if you don't have a good Internet 107 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: connection out there? Right? Well? Yeah, I mean that part 108 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: of the reason why UM on the International Space Station 109 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: they have UM Internet capability is this idea that you 110 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: can tap back into life on Earth. Again, if it's 111 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: a huge psychological factor to be able to feel connected, 112 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: what's interesting those you and and again it you also 113 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: get into ideas of if we can't physically go to places, 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: then we can digitally go to them. We can we 115 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: can control and communicate with distant probes. We can conceivably 116 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: use virtual reality or UM or or even digitized consciousness 117 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: if you really want to look long term to actually 118 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: travel there in the form of a machine or or 119 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: a mechanical avatar. UM. All these things are kind of 120 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: on the table long term. But but you need that 121 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: Internet in place to do it. But it's not just 122 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: as simple as oh, now we have wireless and expans 123 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: tremendous distances. You end up with it with a number 124 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: of problems you have to deal with. First of all, 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: satellite maintenance. If you have various satellites and servers out 126 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: there floating around. Um. You know, they might not have 127 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to deal with a ton of of maintenance, but you're 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna still have your You're still expanding, You're gonna have 129 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: to maintain this network. There's also the possibility of hackers 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: and break in. So I mean hackers. Hacker is gonna hack, right, 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how it goes. It doesn't necessarily 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: you you need to make sense because you might say, oh, 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: why would a hacker mess with our ability to communicate 134 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: with space? Probs, they'll do it because that's what they do. 135 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: Because some of them are fifteen yeah, you know, um, 136 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: and then they'll be varying levels of people making political statements, etcetera. 137 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: But we've we've seen enough of our history that that 138 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: they are just a part of it. They're the germs, 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: um or that what depends on the point of view. 140 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: You could also see them as a at times as 141 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: a defensive part of an immune system as well. But 142 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: they are inniably a part of our information technological culture. 143 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Well and right now. I mean, security is a huge 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: issue and a lot of people have bandied about the 145 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: idea of quantum cryptology. But um or cryptography. But even 146 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: that is not secure, that is breakable. So yeah, you know, 147 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 1: is it possible to even have a super secure system, 148 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean really anything attackable At that point, you can't 149 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: use the honor system at all, even with even with 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: space travel. Uh. And then the other big thing is 151 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: the is that when we when we're dealing with long 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: distances like this, we're dealing with cosmic distances, be it 153 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: from say Earth to Uranus or Earth to some distance system, 154 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: you're dealing with speed of light delays. Okay, so on 155 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Earth we have two community computers connected to the Internet, 156 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: maybe there are a few thousand miles away at most, 157 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: and uh, the information can travel is really remarkable speeds. 158 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: It's it's almost instantaneous. I have a bit of data, 159 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: I send it to you and wham it's fair. Right, 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: but how fast can we actually send data? Right? Light 161 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: travels at eighties six thousand miles per second, so it 162 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: only takes a you know, a few factions was a 163 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: second to send a packet of data from one computer 164 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: to another. In contrast, distances between a station on Earth 165 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: and one on Mars can be between thirty eight million 166 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: miles and two eight million miles, so these distances, you 167 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: can take several minutes or hours for a radio signal 168 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: to reach a receiving station. Yeah, and can I let 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: me jump in and just talk about this packet of 170 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: data that that gets transmitted because of the World Science 171 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: Festival UM. On a panel about the past history of 172 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: Internet in the future, they talked about what it takes 173 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: to transmit this packet and I find it fascinating if 174 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: you break it down and then you start to think 175 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: about it in the void. So okay, let's say a 176 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: person in England clicks on a World Science Festival link. 177 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: This is what happens, and I'll just run you through it, 178 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: because like fascinating to me at least. First, a server 179 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: asked for a copy of the page that you want 180 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: to look at, basically, and then this request is wrapped 181 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: in data including the World Science Festival's i P address. 182 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: The packet leaves the home computer, travels underground via copper 183 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: wire network, routes itself through a regional network, then ends 184 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: up at an Internet hub at Telehouse North in London. Okay, 185 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: so this hub then looks at it and says, okay, 186 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: this packets UM. Well, the World Science Festival server is 187 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: in l A. So we're gonna have to get this 188 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: over there, so tell a house North then sends the 189 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: packet out is light through fiber optic cables in the ocean, 190 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: where the packet is then routed to a hub in 191 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: New York. The hub sends the packet through a series 192 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: of regional networks there until it reaches the server in 193 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: l A. Okay, this is crazy, right, because this is 194 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of things. It's not even done yet, it's 195 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: halfway there, but there's a ton of things happening here. Uh. 196 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: The server then receives and reads the request and gets 197 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: ready to send information to England. But web pages are 198 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: like they're way too large to be sent as a 199 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: single packet of data, So the data spread out into 200 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: tiny packets of data, each one wrapped in the information 201 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: it needs to then rebuild itself back in England. And 202 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: then these packets are then checked and sent by the 203 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: hub in l A back to New York and back 204 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: through the fiberactive cables to England and back through that 205 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: regional network and then back to the man of the 206 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: copper wire back to that home in England, where they 207 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: all form into one cohesive web page. And this whole 208 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: journey takes one second. Okay. So that's that's one of 209 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: those things that we just completely take for granted that 210 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: that our networks are are so well tied together and 211 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: their data is being parsed out in such a way 212 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: the to you know, give us the data that we want, 213 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: you know, one second later. So when we're talking about 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: sending information out to sam Mars colony or or a 215 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: or a space probe, that's uh, that's that's sailing away 216 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: from our system. We're talking about taking information, breaking up 217 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: into pieces and then sending a swarm of those pieces 218 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: at the destination. Right. So I mean there's there's different 219 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: protocols here, and that's what they're trying to figure out. 220 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Vincent Serf, who is called the father of the Internet, um, 221 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: also works for Google now their head evangelist or something, yeah, 222 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: chief evangelist Officers and something like that. Um, he's actually 223 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: creating those protocols and standardizing them so that everybody can 224 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: use them, um, every nation that wants to. And it's 225 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: it's again, it's it's a little bit different because it's 226 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: going to be networked different. The highway is going to 227 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: be um, you know, it's not It's like we can 228 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: just run FIBERCT cables up, you know, to Mars, right, 229 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: and we have to we have to factor in data loss. 230 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: We have to factor in that you're not going to 231 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: have a consistent stream of information between these two places, 232 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: even though there are some really interesting UM plans for 233 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: you know, partially using lasers to pitch this information out there, 234 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: but but ultimately well, one of the things that really 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: fascinates me is the idea that assuming that we we 236 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: do not find a loophole in um in in the 237 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: the speed limit of light in terms of transferring information, 238 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: assuming that we're long term, we're beholden to that law 239 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: that that no information, no spaceship, nothing can travel faster 240 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: than a beam of light across the galaxy. We end 241 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: up with a situation where you could say, let's say 242 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: you have Earth, all right, and you have Earth's Internet 243 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: and it's localized Internet, and then let's say you have 244 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: a distant colony at what distance do you end up 245 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: having this mitosis of of internet and this mitosis of 246 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: culture to where h as interconnected as we feel with 247 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: our internet, um you would end up in a situation where, uh, 248 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: due to this time delay of sending information. You would 249 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: you would have these two colonies in touch with each 250 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: other and they would have regular updates about their news, 251 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:23,359 Speaker 1: but you would have uh, growing and ever distancing Internet cultures. 252 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: So new memes that are that are particularly only to 253 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: this world, up to the date information, up to date 254 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: information that's specific only to this world, uh, and they 255 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: sort of grow into different informational cultural environments. I mean, 256 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: what you're talking about here is the evolution of language. UM. 257 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: And I read this UM, and some of them share 258 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: that we prepared. We were talking about living in space 259 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: that eventually, UM, that even speech patterns would be altered 260 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: because sound travels a little bit differently and so UM. 261 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, essentially you can still communicate with one another, 262 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: but over a hundred thousand years, you know, speech patterns 263 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: may change very differently for people who are living off 264 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: Earth permanently. UM. So that's really interesting that you bring 265 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: up the memes and the metaphors that someone on Earth 266 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: may not be able to get. If you know, someone's 267 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: living on Mars because you have a completely different environment. 268 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, the sun um is beating down on you 269 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: in a completely different way. And to try to communicate 270 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: that to someone else outside of that experience. That's what 271 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: causes you know, different cultures in different languages, right, yeah, 272 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean it to go back to you know, in 273 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the past we've discussed say artificial gravity, magical artificial gravity, 274 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: and how that's something that sort of shows up in 275 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: science fiction and we just you know, we don't think 276 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: about it all that much. Spaceship it has gravity like 277 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: Earth because people to film that way and we don't 278 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: have to think that hard about it. Likewise, you see, 279 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: you know classic Star Trek, right, two individuals are talking 280 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: to each other is just you know, ones on one 281 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: screen the others on the other. And we often we 282 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: often don't a factor in these vast distances that we're 283 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: communicating across because we're probably already skimming over how we're 284 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: traveling those distances, are using um, potentially problematic science to 285 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: explain in a galactic travel, So in a galactic communication 286 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: that just you know, penciled inn in the margins. Uh 287 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: but uh but but to you have to imagine of 288 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: a future where these different worlds have have different Internet 289 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: that that communicating between uh one colony and another would 290 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: it would harken back to the days of sending a 291 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: telegram or or snail mail where you would have to 292 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: wait for this packet of data to travel at even 293 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: at just a phenomenal speeds to travel, to be received 294 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: and then to travel back to you. Um, it's it's 295 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: fascinating because I mean, the more we see the Internet 296 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: in the speed of information unitis here on Earth and 297 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: uh and in our more optimistic moments, we imagine it 298 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: ultimately bring us all together. Um, the idea that that 299 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: just isn't possible given the vast distances in the in 300 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: the the speed limit of light when it comes to 301 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: envisioning our future out in the stars. Well, and there's 302 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: also this question of who who is? Uh? When I 303 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: say who, I mean more like national identity. Who is 304 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: going to be creating this network and dominating it? Right? 305 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: Because well, not presumably, but most likely there's probably gonna 306 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: be one player in here that's going to have more 307 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: of an influence um, what gets designed and how it 308 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: influences our communication. So it's it's interesting, which is unavoidable 309 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: you end up with like Catholic Google and then Eastern 310 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: Orthodox Google. Right, Well, I don't know, because here's the thing, 311 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: Like you know, again, if you're living on Mars, do 312 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: you have. You've talked about this before too extensively. What 313 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: does religion mean in space at that point? With that 314 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: perspective of so, there could be very huge cultural divides. Um. 315 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily what we were intending to talk 316 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: about today, like this offer cultural divide brought on by 317 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the Internet. But we've already um been able to look 318 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: at the Internet in retrospect and see how influences culture. Um. 319 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to extrapolate that mount into space. Yeah, totally. 320 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the part of this. It really 321 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: blows my mind. I mean because the idea of all right, well, 322 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, how do we have have space probs communicate 323 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: with each other, how an offerable colony communicate with us? 324 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's really fascinating. I love that. But when 325 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: you start thinking about the cultural ramifications and the personal ramifications, um, 326 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's where I really connect with the issue. 327 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: So all right, hey, we're gonna take a quick break 328 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: and we come back. We're gonna wrap things up and 329 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna run through some liner mail. All right, we 330 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: have returned. Um. So yeah, there's just a little bit 331 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: of of insight into where we're going with the internet, um, 332 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: immediately and then long term as we're trying to imagine 333 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: what life beyond our world might consist of, especially when 334 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: you when you think of the human race, is not 335 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: nearly this organic thing or even this uh, this world 336 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: of things, but this internet of things, this internet of existence. Yeah, 337 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: all right, well let's uh, let's take a look at 338 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: a couple of data packets that came in. Oh yes, yes, 339 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: bring us some of these robot the listener mail. All right. 340 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: First of all, um, I think was the fiction podcast 341 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: where we're talking about the way fiction alters our perception 342 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: of reality and ultimately the manifestation of reality around us, 343 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: especially in terms of culture, not so much the laws 344 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: of physics, but but certainly the way that we behave 345 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: as a as a people. Um. I think that was 346 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: the one where I brought up that I did not 347 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: really understand what she's a brick house. She's mighty mighty 348 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: hang out what that means. But because it because time 349 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: I hear she's a brick house, I imagine a woman 350 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: made out of bricks, and I don't see how that's 351 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: particularly attractive because it's a woman made up of bricks. 352 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: And we were talking about the tactile parts of our 353 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: brains that respond to metaphors, if I remember correctly. Yeah, 354 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: And so Jim writes in and he explained it. He says, 355 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: she's a brick house because she's stacked, as like bricks 356 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: are stacked. Shack it down, shack it down, now, Jim 357 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. So I guess that makes sense. She's 358 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: so that the whole thing is that's bricks are stacked. 359 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: She is stacked, stacked in the sense that she's put 360 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: together and busty, right, That that what I'm getting here. Yeah, busty, 361 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: it would say, is what stacks means. Yeah, okay, all right, 362 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Well that I'm still picturing a woman made out of bricks, 363 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: but I have a little more background on that now. 364 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: Thank you for the funky inside the Jim Um. We 365 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: received some more listener mail regarding the episode The Horror, 366 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: where we talked about how our brains working when watching 367 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: scary movie these want we're addicted to it and uh 368 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: and that, you know, really connected with a number of people. 369 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: We heard from a listener by the name of Sean 370 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: Uh Sean Nicoliffe I can use his last name since 371 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: he's writing online here, and Hedio writes and to say 372 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: I recently listened to your show about horror, and being 373 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: a staff writer for horror Attics dot net, wanted to 374 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: send my thoughts. I primarily do reviews of horror films, 375 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: and with over sixty films I've reviewed, I've covered decades 376 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and uh and genres of film. I've come to believe 377 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and this is my personal opinion, but the type of 378 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: of horror a fan wraps their mind around depends a 379 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: lot on their age. Those who are younger under twenty 380 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: five seem to go for the quick slasher types of movies, 381 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: these being things like Saw, Final Destination and just gore 382 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: Field films. In general, this is because they are used 383 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: to more instant gratification and their attentions fans are a 384 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: bit short. As we get older, our case may change 385 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: is we look for people to scare our our minds, 386 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: and thus one horror that hits the mind more than 387 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: the site. A great example of the current horror trend 388 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: is how Josh Weeden's The Cabin in the Woods shows 389 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: us how horror films are very formulate, and all you 390 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: need to do is get a group of kids, random 391 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: monster and kill all but one, and you get yourself 392 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: a horror film people want to see, and he goes 393 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: in from there to discuss I think some more spoilery stuff. 394 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: So I'll leave it at that. But Sean writes under 395 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: the name night Missed at the Horror Attics and he 396 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: recently did a top ten where you just mentioned his 397 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: top ten favorite. Yeah that was interesting all the cap Yeah, 398 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: so just real quick. He has an extensive post on this, 399 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: you can look up at her attics dot net. But 400 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: just to run through his ten favorites. Salem's Lot Saturday nine, 401 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: that's a good one. The Shining nineteen eight, that's a 402 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: great one. Dog Soldiers two thousand two. Did you see this? 403 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one. It's pretty fun. It's the 404 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: guy who did the Descent, and it's it's kind of 405 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: like Aliens with werewolves, and it's one of the few 406 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: werewolves move werewolf movies that really works. Um Fido, which 407 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: is zombie flick that I have not seen. Um The 408 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: Host two thousand six, South Korean horror film. That's a 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: good one. Takes the the monster movie scenario and turns 410 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: us on its head by having us like almost instantly 411 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: see the monster and then it just rampages the whole film. Uh, 412 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: The Exorcist another classic, let the Right One in two 413 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. This is the the original, not the remake. 414 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: And I agree Swedish one so good, it is good. 415 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: One Perfect Creature two thousand seven. I don't think I've 416 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: seen this one Um Slither two thousand six. I know 417 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: it has its bands, it's not not really my thing. 418 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: And The Strangers two thousand nine. So so there are 419 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: just a few films that one of our listeners recommends 420 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: in terms of great Heart and Uh. Finally, we have 421 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: one other bit of listener male related to the The 422 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: Horror episode, and this is from Marta Marta Wright. Since 423 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: this Hi, Julian Robert. I'm writing you because I just 424 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: finished listening to the Horror podcast. I've been listening to 425 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: you guys for about a year now, and I will 426 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: admit that this particular podcast is one of my favorites 427 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: so far. I found myself. I found myself grinning and 428 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: nodding as I listened. I grew up watching horror movies 429 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: and reading horror novels. I still have my original copies 430 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: of Stephen King's books, some a bit tattered but obviously 431 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: well loved and often re read over the years. While 432 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: growing up, my family was highly aware of my quote 433 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: unquote fascination with horror movies, to the point that for 434 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: my eleventh birthday party, my dad rented some horror movies 435 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: whose name I can't recall a twenty years later, I 436 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: think you're talking about the movies that um. As my 437 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: friends and I watched the movie, we huddled together in 438 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: awe and fear. Whenever a scary bit would come on, 439 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: we would scream, and mind I would run down and 440 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: ask if we wanted him to turn the movie off, 441 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: would either holler um a rather empathetic no, or we 442 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: would shoot him since we were completely enthralled with what 443 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: we were watching. All I really remember of the movie 444 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: now is the movie dealt with mummies, some priests from 445 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: ancient Egypt who traveled through time and tore people's heart. 446 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: Its sound whoa. I don't hm that one's not ringing 447 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: a bell, because at first I thought she was going 448 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: to be talking about like the old Boars carlaf deal. 449 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of sounds like a plot on 450 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: true but but that doesn't match up. I mean, there 451 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: was a great cheesy um mummy related film that was 452 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: on MST years back that had like a like an 453 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: ancient astronauts staying but the money it was really a 454 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: space alien and it's collecting jewels. But there was no 455 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: heart ripping in that. So I don't know. That's a 456 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: good actually a good call out for listeners. If you 457 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: know what she's talking about, let us know and we 458 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: will educate the all of us. Um. She continues, as 459 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: I said, My family was aware that I was and 460 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: still i'm a horror fan. As I hit the age 461 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: where I was old enough to babysit my younger sister, 462 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: my parents would always tell me not to let my 463 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: sister watch horror movies while they were out. Of course, 464 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: the minute they left, she would beg to watch whatever 465 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: Freddie movie happened to be on table or I happen 466 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: to bring home from the video store. Would go back 467 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: and forth for a bit until I finally agreed, and 468 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: of course she'd get scared, would still be awake when 469 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: our parents came home, and I'd get in trouble. Now 470 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: that we're adults, my sister refuses to see scary movies, 471 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: all of Freddy Krueger or Jason, and she has discovered 472 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: that even the really good and scary psychological throwers are 473 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: not her cup of tea, But being the awesome sister 474 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: that she is, she'll go with me once a year 475 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: and see a scary movie and we'll spend the entire 476 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: time peeking over her purse. Any who decide I share, 477 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: please continue doing the awesome job you guys do. Um 478 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, so it's just sincerely, Martha. Well that's awesome. Um. 479 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: And it's interesting to be just talking about um exposing 480 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: her sister to this and her sister ending up being 481 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: the polar opposite, uh, you know, not not having a 482 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: tolerance or a desire to seek out horror films as 483 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: an adult. Yeah, as yeah, as a child, she wanted them. 484 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: And I was just thinking that corroborates two different studies 485 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: that we've talked about before, the fact that kids cannot 486 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: get enough candy, right, um, and you know, having to 487 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: do with like um, energy stores as a child and 488 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: the quick fix they get from candy, and then they 489 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: they can't get enough scary movies. Yeah, you know, which 490 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: also corroborates some other studies. So yeah, yeah, and uh, 491 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: I can't help but think of of my own family too, 492 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: because I would get my sisters to watch these scary movies, 493 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: and I my middle sister, Lucy, she was she wasn't 494 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: really affected by him. She just kind of, you know, 495 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't particularly interested. But I feel like my youngest sister, Alison, 496 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: she would get rather frightened by these films. But as 497 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: an adult she she still seems to have some level 498 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: of of nostalgia and appreciation for horror films, like she'll 499 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: she'll dress up, she could really get some Halloween and all. So, 500 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's interesting though that in um 501 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: In MARTA's case, the younger sister ended up just going 502 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: almost completely do the other side of the fence on 503 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: the horror movie issue. Yeah yeah, And yet maybe it's 504 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: her once a year thing with her sister and she's like, 505 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: I got too explored again at that moment, she savors 506 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: it and who knows, maybe she'll bring her back at 507 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: around yeah O taste j inch. 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