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Speaker 3: Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody, DJ? Buck here,

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Speaker 3: move the sticks. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This has been a fun week of podcast Buck because

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Speaker 3: So if you haven't listened to that episode, I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the best.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this has been one of the best weeks

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Speaker 1: We talked about it with the podcast.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to be more than just like a run

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Speaker 4: The conversation the other day with Maruchi was outstanding, and

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Speaker 1: Phenomenal conversation that we're about to have.

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Speaker 3: with Andrew Whitworth. All right, buck Well, he's here. Excited

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Speaker 1: Weeks, that is a long time to be involved.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to baseball. You guys turn into professional baseball players

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Speaker 3: at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt those guys at it.

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Speaker 4: You know what I think is so great that you're

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Speaker 1: And I always think of this picture when Sean McVay

435
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 1: took over in Los Angeles rams Todd Gurley as a

436
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,479
Speaker 1: play where he reaches in the end zone and loses

437
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 1: the football. Early in our season, we go to London

438
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 1: and we play the Cardinals and we have a play

439
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 1: he busts out of breaks out backside in the red zone.

440
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 1: He's going in the end zone, and he runs through

441
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 1: the end zone even though he didn't have to with

442
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: the football double tucked as fast as he could and

443
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,879
Speaker 1: just Knighte's head first into the end zone past the pieline.

444
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,960
Speaker 1: It was a part smart smart ass, but parts of

445
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 1: point like hey, I'll never reach it again. Like we

446
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 1: had this entire situational Masters meeting about it, and at

447
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 1: that moment I was like, whoa Sean has won this

448
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: locker room. Here's the greatest player on our football team,

449
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 1: him and Aaron Donald, and here he is like setting

450
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 1: the example of like this is how you run through

451
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: the end zone when you're about to get tackled. And

452
00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 1: he learned it, and it was such a message that

453
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 1: he it purposely in a way where like I heard

454
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: the message and I thought to me. I was like, Wow,

455
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: we have something special because now I'm seeing more and

456
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: more guys are pouring into what's the standard?

457
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Speaker 4: You know, it's so phenomenal to hear you talk about

458
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 4: these stories because DJ and I always talk about team

459
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 4: building and what it takes and like what's the secret

460
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 4: sauce to being a team And the thing that I

461
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 4: want to ask you as an older player, like, when

462
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 4: everyone else is is so into being selfish, what is

463
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 4: it about veteran players that would allow them to be

464
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 4: selfless when you're giving information to someone who could ultimately

465
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 4: take your job.

466
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Speaker 1: See, I always saw it as a chance to challenge myself,

467
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Speaker 1: like because I always thought and Sean mcvain I would

468
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: talk about a lot like the more you actually go

469
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: through things or explain things to people, I think sometimes

470
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: you remind yourself of like what you learned about this

471
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Speaker 1: or what you Oh, yeah, that's why I always kept

472
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Speaker 1: my foot like this, or that's why I always use

473
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 1: my hand in this way, or that's why I had

474
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Speaker 1: this demeanor. That's right, because I'm explaining it to this

475
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: young guy, and then at the same time, I'm reminding

476
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: myself like this is the standard, this is how I

477
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 1: used to want to do it. This is the discipline

478
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Speaker 1: that's applied, and so and why I did it, And

479
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 1: so I always thought that I saw it as an

480
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Speaker 1: opportunity for me to teach somebody younger in me, teach

481
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Speaker 1: some guy behind me to be better, and then also

482
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Speaker 1: improve myself because the more I understood it, the more

483
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: I could articulate it and show it to someone, I

484
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: felt like the more I had mastered it, And so

485
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: I always thought it was also like a chance for

486
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Speaker 1: me to challenge, like, all right, I'll teach you everything

487
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: I know, and at the same time, I'm gonna beat

488
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: you for this job. And if you can work harder

489
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: than me, if you can, if you can prepare better

490
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: than me, if you can withhold the standard better than me,

491
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: you deserve the job. And I'm not scared of that challenge.

492
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: And I think, to me, that's really whereas a veteran

493
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: you have that opportunity is if you have really I

494
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: think that whatever you want to call it, just the

495
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Speaker 1: guts to say, hey, I'm willing to teach you everything

496
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 1: and still show you I'm better at it. I think

497
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: that only makes your team more inspired. More in the

498
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: line of man, if this is how we're going to

499
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: do things. All of us are getting better. At the

500
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: same time, everything around us is getting better. That increases

501
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: to me not only makes the culture stronger, but it

502
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: makes the football team better because there's a better player

503
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: on each each spot, even in the backups, even in

504
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: the room and reserves. You got guys who are getting

505
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: all the information are going to be prepared when their

506
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Speaker 1: moment comes. Because I look at even our Super Bowl season,

507
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Speaker 1: Joseph Noebook had to play for me in two different

508
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: games that I was injured, and he played awesome, and

509
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Speaker 1: that was a huge piece of us being able to

510
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Speaker 1: make it to the Super Bowl because even in the

511
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Speaker 1: Tampa game when I tore BMCL, he played in the

512
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: Tampa game in the divisional round and played awesome and

513
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: got us to that opportunity to play in the championship

514
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: against the Niners. So those moments I look at and go, man,

515
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Speaker 1: I really value now. All the time I spent with

516
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Speaker 1: Joseph Noebook, having him at my house, working out in

517
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Speaker 1: my garage and COVID, all the time we spent together

518
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Speaker 1: being a great teammate led to this opportunity where he

519
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: steps in does an amazing job and gives me an

520
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a part of this super Bowl team

521
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: because of his efforts and the efforts at all of

522
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: us put into him to have him prepared for the moment.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

524
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Speaker 3: I mean, and that's there's a there's a responsibility aspect

525
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: of that too. It's just it's kind of being responsible

526
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: and helping everybody else get better and being secure enough

527
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Speaker 3: in who you are. I was reading a book just

528
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: came out this last year, Hidden Potential, I think, and

529
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: it's Adam Grant, who's phenomenal, but he talked about this

530
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: exact same thing that one of the best ways to

531
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Speaker 3: grow is to teach. If you teach, you'll grow even

532
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 3: though you already. It's exactly what you just said, like literally,

533
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Speaker 3: it's reinforcing all these things and you're teaching it and

534
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: you're also you're aiding yourself through that process. So that's

535
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Speaker 3: fascinating to me. The other thing I was thinking of

536
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Speaker 3: why you're talking is there's a book we've discussed on

537
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: here before called The Captain Class, where it goes through

538
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: and looks at dynasties in all different sports, I mean

539
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: literally from rugby all the way through, and it talked

540
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Speaker 3: about if they've had sustained success, they all had kind

541
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Speaker 3: of that one captain that kind of guided them through

542
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: to have that sustained success. If we're talking about you know, teammates,

543
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Speaker 3: we're talking about leadership and your definition of a captain,

544
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Speaker 3: what would you describe it as the ideal captain?

545
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Speaker 1: I mean I think of it really to me, I

546
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: think it's funny. I think people probably and it's one

547
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: of the things when I go talk to young people

548
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: all the time, it's just funny to hear them give

549
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: a version of that. They probably think it's the loudest,

550
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, most commanding guy in the room. And I

551
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: look at it, like, you know, to me, I see

552
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: that as the greatest servant on your football team. Like,

553
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: tell me who that guy is, and I bet you

554
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: money he's the captain of this football team. And it's

555
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: just because that ability to give up yourself and to

556
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: set yourself down and help the man beside you. I

557
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: don't care who you are, it's always inspirational. I don't

558
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: care what subject we're talking about. But even more so

559
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: in the game of football, when you're willing to not

560
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: only do your job, hold up your commitment to what

561
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: is your job to do, But then at the same

562
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: time say, hey, how do I make the people around

563
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: me better? How do I serve those guys? And when

564
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: I say that, I think we talk about teammate and

565
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: sometimes we only relate that to the fifty three or

566
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Speaker 1: the sixty you know that we have in a locker room.

567
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: I don't see it as that. Like to me, a

568
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: great teammate was. I'm going in the cafeteria when nobody's

569
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: in there, and I'm making sure everybody in there, from

570
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: the cooks to everybody cleaning up, like, Hey, what's up,

571
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: how's everybody's day going? Man, appreciate y'all, Love y'all, Thank

572
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: y'all for being here, Thank you for always taking care

573
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Speaker 1: of us. I'm going in the training room. I'm checking

574
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: on the chaining room. What's up, guys, Like, what's going on?

575
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: You guys like golf? Like, let me set y'all up

576
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: to go play rounds of golf. Let me let me

577
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: set you up to go do something fun. You guys

578
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: want to go do equipment staff Like, what can I

579
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: give you from my locker? What can I say? Hey?

580
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: You guys love to do, like, let's get it. Y'all

581
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: want to go in the back of the equipment room.

582
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: Let's get you all basketball goal. Y'all want something like

583
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Speaker 1: how do I make this whole experience special? And that's

584
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Speaker 1: what I mean is I think that when you come

585
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you think of how do you change

586
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: your life and get a second contract? But after that moment,

587
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: if you want to continue to sustain success and sustain

588
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: a culture of winning, it better be about all right,

589
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: as I go forward, how do I bring everyone with me?

590
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: And how do I walk in a room. When I

591
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: walk in a room, everybody in that room says, that's

592
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: the dude I want to go to war with. That's

593
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: the dude I want to give more of myself because

594
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: I know they're going to give more of themselves. And

595
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: so I look at leadership as not the loudest and

596
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: the most commanding. I look at leadership as that's the

597
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: dude that if I'm walking in any room and I

598
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: don't know what's on the other side of those doors,

599
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: that's the guy I want to walk in the room with,

600
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Speaker 1: and I'm willing to go through whatever is waiting for

601
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Speaker 1: me on the other side of that because that's the

602
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: guy I want to be with. When I'm in that moment,

603
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: and to me that that is what a captain is.

604
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: It's a person who sets the standard, owns their role,

605
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: has full accountability, but as the humbleness and confidence in

606
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Speaker 1: themselves to be willing to serve everyone around them at

607
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Speaker 1: the same time.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

609
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I love that.

610
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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll jump

611
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Speaker 3: right back into this conversation with Andrew Whitworth.

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Speaker 4: Before I let you go, I have to ask you

613
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Speaker 4: this because I think you've been a part of two

614
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 4: phenomenal situations. We just talked about how your team went

615
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 4: from good to great with the Rams, but really in

616
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: Cincinnati and with the Rams, you were part of two

617
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: turnarounds teams that were not very good, franchise that were

618
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: not very good, but then you were part of seeing

619
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: them rise.

620
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: What's the key to that part of it?

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Speaker 4: When the team is not good, there's not a lot

622
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: of confidence that the team is going to win. What

623
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: does it take to help turn around those kinds of

624
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: programs to get them to respectability before you can even

625
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: think about being a contender.

626
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're always fighting. You know that self

627
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: belief and confidence thing where you know guys might be

628
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: arrogant about who they are. But a lot of times

629
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: that disbelief in your team is real and guys getting

630
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: those when you see teams just go south in a

631
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: season when injuries start happening, when things are happening, guys

632
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: are stopped being themselves because that belief just leaves. And

633
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: so I think, to me, it's about how you establish

634
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: that And it's always going to come back to relationships.

635
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: To me, Like when I signed with the Rams in

636
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, I'll never forget, you know. I set out

637
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: a goal. I said, Hey, every week of OTA's and

638
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: these first moments, I'm gonna set at a different table. I'm

639
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: meeting a different position group. We're gonna spend time at

640
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: the lunch table. I'm gonna get to know them. And

641
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: then that started to bond like relationships where I was like, man,

642
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: there's guys that you know I wish back in sincey

643
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: I had more emphasis on this, I used to think

644
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: about it all the time, like, man, I could have

645
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: done this better. I learned something in that moment that

646
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I got to know the dB room and like, man

647
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: to the point where like we're boys and like we

648
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: sit together at lunch and we talk about things that

649
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: it's a total different version of life to me because Man,

650
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I sit with this one group all the time, so

651
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: I know all them really well, like I know everybody

652
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: know else is really well. But like, what do I

653
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: know about the linebackers? What do I know about the

654
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: dbs and defensive ends? We're never together in a building,

655
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people don't understand that NFL building,

656
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: you're with your position groups the majority of the time.

657
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: So if you don't make a conscious effort to get

658
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: to know guys around you and get to spend time

659
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: on them in those times you can, you're going to

660
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: go through a whole season and barely know your teammates.

661
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: And so I just made it an emphasis that I

662
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: want to get to know all these guys, like I

663
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: want these guys to see me like I was a

664
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: twenty one year old rookie and that's how I'm spending

665
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: my time because I want them to understand that I

666
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: don't think i'm any way any shape just because I'm

667
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: a veteran, I've been there, I've earned nothing more than

668
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: they have, Like we're the same. And so I tried

669
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: to make that Empsis when I was in Cincinnati. I'll

670
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: never forget. Uh you know, obviously I come there in

671
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: O six they just had a great season, and O

672
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: five Carson blows out his knee. Things start to kind

673
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: of go down. He'll O six oh seven, you get close,

674
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: but just can't find a way. Eight we have a

675
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: horrific year. Carson hurts hiss elbow that year start oh

676
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: to eight. Have you know the epic moment with John Henderson,

677
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: we're getting a fire, we both get ejected. It's like

678
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: how I became the captain because that week before I

679
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: gave a speech about I was just tired of the

680
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: losing and the and the standard and how we did things.

681
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: And then I go out and have this moment where

682
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: with him and we beat him, and I'll never forget TJ.

683
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Housman Zada being like, dude, you you it exactly what

684
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: you said that we all need to do better. You

685
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: went out and showed it, and like, I'll never forget it,

686
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: and you didn't back down. And and so that moment

687
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: kind of became me becoming a captain. And then an

688
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: O nine we win the division and we have we

689
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: have a year where we run the football with play

690
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: great defense, and we win the division and you think, man,

691
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: now it's time to go get t o Chad and

692
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: to the Batman and Robin Show. It's a disaster. You know,

693
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: we don't play. You know that is great, but it

694
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: just didn't work. You know. It was like we had

695
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: this identity the year before and we kind of took

696
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: away that identity and tried something different and it just

697
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: didn't work. And it was nobody directly individually's fault, but

698
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: it didn't work. And then Carson Palmer decides he never

699
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: wants to be a Cincinnati Bengal again. And I love

700
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: CP like he's the guy I learned a lot of

701
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: leadership and how to lead a room and how to

702
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: be the guy who encourages people, like he would always

703
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: take the receivers on trips, or he would take the

704
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: line to do stuff, or he get us gifts like

705
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: he was great and making sure you knew you were

706
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: appreciating your love. But in that moment, he had decided

707
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: never want to be a Cincinnati Bengal again. And I

708
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: knew him well enough and we were close enough that

709
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: I knew that was the fact I'll never get We're

710
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: in training camp twenty eleven, Andy Dalton second round pick.

711
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: We played the New York Jets in the preseason. It's

712
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of a disaster game, you know, Jay Gruden's first

713
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: year being in oc with us, and it was the

714
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: lockout that offseason, so I kind of felt like, man,

715
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: this game was more directly related to that than anything else.

716
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: But the defensive guys decided, we're gonna get a plane,

717
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna fly out to California, and we're gonna try

718
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: to get Carson Palmer to come back. And I knew

719
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: talking to Carson is never gonna happen. So I called

720
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: a meeting in Marvin Lewis's office and I got all

721
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: the captains on offense and defense, and I was a

722
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: young guy, Bobby Williams. It was our offense, our kind

723
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: of our vet offensive linement at that time, and we

724
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: had a meet and I basically was like, look, in

725
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: my lifetime, I have never seen this ever happen. If

726
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: you win, things get better. I don't care where you are.

727
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: When you win, things get better, I said, for the

728
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: first time in my career as a Cincinnati Bengal, Carson

729
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: Palmer's not here. We got a second round quarterback and

730
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. That you guys don't yet believe in but

731
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: I do. And we have an opportunity to have no excuses.

732
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Everybody on the planet has predicted us to go oh

733
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and sixteen and can absolutely shock every single person that

734
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: knows anything about NFL football without and we don't have

735
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: a single excuse. We can just go fight every team

736
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: that stands in front of us, and we can figure

737
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: it out. If y'all just stop worrying about whether Carson's

738
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: coming back or not. If he doesn't want to be here,

739
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: then we don't want him to be here. Let's just

740
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: go fight every team that when they put the ball down,

741
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: it's us first them, and let's figure it out. And

742
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: from that moment on, I was a captain of the

743
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. We went to five straight playoff appearances, We

744
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: won the division three times. You know, we went freaking

745
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: twelve and four multiple times. Andy broke his hand. Probably

746
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: the best year we had, and to me, I don't

747
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: tell that story. He says, like I did something special.

748
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: I say it to say I had a moment. We're

749
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: on an opportunity to remind guys that it's about when

750
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: you put the a down if you want to be winners.

751
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: You play like winners, and once you win, great things

752
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: are going to happen. Is the sea rises, so does

753
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: the boat. Like we're all it's going to be great

754
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: for all of us if we just put the time in,

755
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: then mindset and the attitude that it takes to go win.

756
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: Right now, don't worry about anything else, don't worry about

757
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: anything that doesn't have to do with that football being

758
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: on the ground and us being inside those white stripes.

759
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Let's go.

760
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that.

761
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Man.

762
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: I'm taking pages of notes here as we go through

763
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: here because I'm just thinking of all the different words

764
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: that are coming to mind and stuff that you know,

765
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: we've had a chance to talk about you talking to

766
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: people that are successful in this game and outside this game.

767
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: There's so many tie ins, you know, Like we talk

768
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: about hungry, humble, smart, You've heard it a million times.

769
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: Everybody like that. Everybody likes to use those words. That's

770
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: woven throughout your entire story there. I think about the

771
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: seas I mean about you know, you have your confidence,

772
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: your care and then you're curious like to me, I

773
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: I think that's an aspect of this whole thing, and

774
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: I'll we've kept it for a long time, so this

775
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: will be my last one. But how have these kind

776
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: of core beliefs that you've you've been able to pick

777
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: up through your football career as you translate now that

778
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: into this new broadcasting career. You guys have done a

779
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: bang up job there at Amazon. It's been fun to

780
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: watch you guys on Thursday night. But I almost think

781
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: about it flipping over again. Right, you go from the

782
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: veteran to now you're the young guy. I mean, you've

783
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: got freaking al Michaels who you're you're traveling around with,

784
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: who's literally on the top of Mount Rushmore in this

785
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 3: new profession that you find yourself. But how do these

786
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: kind of core characteristics of being a good teammate, how

787
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: have they translated into a new career.

788
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: I think that's probably been one of the most rewarding

789
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: things I never expected. I mean I didn't ever think

790
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: I would do media when when I left the NFL,

791
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean when I got in the league in six

792
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, that was like your first meeting

793
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: was like, hey, don't speak to a reporter'll talk about yourself.

794
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: Don't ever say anything about any of our plays, like

795
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: you're an offensive line when you're forbidden, you know, and

796
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: that landscapes obviously changed. But when I got the opportunity

797
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: to be a part of a team again, it was like, man,

798
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: all right. I tried to accelerate exactly those things that

799
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: has talked about, like, hey, right now, I got to

800
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: be a sponge. Like every time al Michael's opens his

801
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: mouth and starts telling a story, like just shut up

802
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: and listen, just listen. Be the greatest listener on the planet,

803
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: every chance you got. And so I listened every time

804
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: al Michael's talks, and I listen when Carissa Thompson talks,

805
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: and even Tony Gonzalez who's been out of the league

806
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: now for a while and been doing some of these things,

807
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: so he's he's got experience. And when Jared Stacy or

808
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: Spoon or any of our guys might be around it,

809
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: like you name it, they start talking, I start listening.

810
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: And so it's like, how can I be a sponge

811
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: and just listen, take in the information and then also serve.

812
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: And so it's about, hey, you know, when we get

813
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: on the road, like you know what, I thought it

814
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: was the coolest thing our first year. We got done

815
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: with the year, and one of the feedback, Like some

816
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: of the feedback we got is like we've never seen

817
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: guys in their first year get it in the sense

818
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: of like you guys would go visit the trucks and

819
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: like go talk to all the guys in the trucks.

820
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: You guys would go see the other people behind the

821
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: camera and like try to do cool stuff from them

822
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: or bring them things or make them feel special. Like

823
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: most people don't understand that part. I think that's what's

824
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: been really fun to me is you look at fit

825
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick, myself and Richard Sherman coming right off the field,

826
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: but also being guys who were leaders in our locker

827
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: room and guys set the tone in that sense our ability. Really,

828
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I think to understand that part of it has been

829
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: probably the most valuable things because it's made it such

830
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: an awesome experience, Like we really feel like we're part

831
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: of a family, and that happened instantly, like we just

832
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: knew it, and so it's really an atmosphere where everybody's

833
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: pouring into each other and it's awesome. So that part

834
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: has been a lot of fun. I've enjoyed it. I've

835
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: enjoyed having the opportunity to kind of be new at

836
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: something and have no idea what you're doing. I mean,

837
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: the first time they said banter, I was like, what

838
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: the heck does that mean? Somebody tell us that, you know,

839
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, they start counting down in my ear. You know,

840
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: I'd never forget. And that's the other thing people don't

841
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: realize too. You're live, like you're sitting in a stadium.

842
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: It's live. I'll never forget. Jim Moore, the head coach,

843
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: fell down one time right in front of us as

844
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: we're going live, Like I wish I had to hate,

845
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: like where's my playbook? Because I keep talking? Do I

846
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: keep talking? And it's like insensitive somebody's gonna post on

847
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: social media like man, Andrew whitbz is still sitting up

848
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: there talking and Coach moris on the ground. You know,

849
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: it was just like one of those things where I

850
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know the answer here, but

851
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: it's live, Like here we go, Chris is coming to

852
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: me asking me to talk. I'm just gonna start talking.

853
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's like that you're learning every week,

854
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: every every year, and so that's been a lot of

855
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: fun and our team couldn't be more special. I'm so

856
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: proud to be a part of our group. But it's

857
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: still a challenge. And I'll tell you what I've really

858
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: struggled with you guys, coaching my kids sports. I mean

859
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: I went over in soccer, over in basketball, won some

860
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: games in the spring. All right, we got a little better.

861
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm learning that, you know what, the horses matter a

862
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay, So you need some good players in

863
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: eight nine year old sports, that's for sure. So, uh,

864
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: I got work to do on that front. My coaching

865
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: record right now is not very good.

866
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: Is it harder than so?

867
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: I will contend it's harder to be the just the

868
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: parent with the when you're watching your kid get coached poorly.

869
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: That is that is maybe even a greater challenge. I

870
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: was able to bite my tongue through through baseball and

871
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: then flag football one year. And I never said I

872
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: didn't say it, but there's some bad thoughts that went

873
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: through my head. But my son was a quarterback and

874
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: he's like he's like seven years old, right with Yeah,

875
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: so this flag football coach, he decides, we're freaking this

876
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 3: is like we're gonna be the Willie Galt Raiders and

877
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: we're just gonna try and throw the ball fifty yards

878
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: down the field with seven and eight year old.

879
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: So he's teaching my son to crow hop, like I

880
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: just go, I go, and I don't.

881
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm not the watched practice dad, You know, I believe

882
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 3: you give him over to the coaches that be around

883
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: your teammates. Dad's gonna drop you off, Dad's going to

884
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: pick you up. I'm not bringing the folding chair like

885
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: a lot of these parents are and watching all of

886
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: the practice. You need to go be here from other

887
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: people and learn from other people. Well, I get through

888
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: the end this practice and I've seen my son crow hop

889
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: and I'm going, what the heck is he doing? I'm like,

890
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: where did he get this? And then the coach starts selling,

891
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: so I go, uh, I don't say it, so he

892
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: kind of have a water break, and so my son

893
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: I go, hey, what the heck are you doing with

894
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: your Why are you did?

895
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: That's baseball, this is football. Why are you crow hopping?

896
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Because a coach told me that I need to do

897
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: that because I'm not throwing the ball far enough.

898
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: And I go, well, that's a bad habit. You know,

899
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: we're young, we're just trying to develop good habits.

900
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: So if you can't.

901
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: If the ball doesn't get there, that's fine, but let's

902
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: work on throwing with proper mechanics and blah blah. So

903
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: he goes back out there, he underthrows a ball, and

904
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: then the coach gets on about it, and so then

905
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: I and now I see the conversation happen, and I'm like,

906
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: what I just now I'm the dad who's told him

907
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: not to listen to the coach, and I see this

908
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: whole So this is the best part with the dad

909
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: comes over and goes, hey, uh, did you tell your

910
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: son not to take that extra step? He didn't even

911
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: know it was a crow hop. I'm like, yeah, no,

912
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: I said, I just don't think that's a good habit

913
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: to develop in it.

914
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: He's an eight year old kid.

915
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: And the guy goes, well, I uh, I played on

916
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: a National Championship flag football I was like, and this

917
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: is maybe this is like a decade plus ago where

918
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: there was no like national Championship flag football team. I

919
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: was like, and I'm like, do I this? Do I

920
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: play this card? And I had enough. I had I

921
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: just let it. I let it lie, I let it go.

922
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: But I went got I got in the car, I

923
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: called my wife. I was like, could you believe this?

924
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: The National Championship flag football team?

925
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing on here unbelievable. There's always those, man,

926
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: and that that you know, that part's a challenge. I

927
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: will say that I I enjoy coaching my kids. I've

928
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: coached my youngest daughter in basketball, my you know, the

929
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: other ones a little play volleyball, My other daughter plays volleyball,

930
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: and then my two sons kind of play baseball, basketball, football,

931
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: you name it. Got a chance to coach them too.

932
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: It's been fun, but I mean that's probably been one

933
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: of the more disappointing things to me a little bit.

934
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: It's just some of the behavior. Oh my god, man,

935
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: we talk about being a great teammate, how about setting

936
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: the standard for your kids on how you things. I Mean,

937
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: there's this great quote I always say, you know what

938
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: happened I continue to talk about that kind of stuff

939
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: is that you can always teach what you know, but

940
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: you'll only ever replicate who you are. And so to me,

941
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: I just wish more people understood, like you can beat

942
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: whatever you think you want to give your kid into

943
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: their head with the not like you know this, you

944
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: have to do this, you have do this, They're only

945
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: ever going to replicate who you are and how you

946
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: act and how you do things like that's actually what

947
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: they pick up on, and that's actually who they're going

948
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: to be. And so, man, just handling yourself in that

949
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: way and those opportunities are valuable. And I think to me,

950
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: if I had to say anything to parents and say, hey,

951
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: what should I tell my kid if they want to

952
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: be in the NFL, how about you handle yourself in

953
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: a way that you want them. You set the standard

954
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: and they'll follow the standards.

955
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: That's a great way. That's a great way to end it.

956
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: But right there by the way, Buck, he oh, I

957
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: don't know if I wait to remember this, but he was.

958
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: We had ran into each other. That might have been

959
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: a preseason game, maybe Charter's Rams or something, and one

960
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: of his young sons was on the field, and I'm like,

961
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: there's the scout in you, Buck that you.

962
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: Know, we can't turn off. And I don't know how

963
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: old he was with he couldn't have been he couldn't

964
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: have been twelve years old. And I'm like, wit, look

965
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: at the size of his feet, man, good lord, kid's

966
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: gonna be cute.

967
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: It was eleven or ten actually, which is even better.

968
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: So, yeah, how big are what's the update? What size

969
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: are we wearing now?

970
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Oh he's a thirteen or twelve or something like that.

971
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be big. So he's gonna be a

972
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: big good good. You're the best, You're the best, brother.

973
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: This has been a fun, fun exercise to talk about

974
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: stuff other than matchups.

975
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: And games to look forward to. I enjoyed going a

976
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: little deeper with you on that stuff.

977
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: Man.

978
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time.

979
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate y'all. Man, thank you.

980
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, buck again.

981
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: Uh. I feel like we get or at least I do.

982
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: I know that I get selfish with these guys. I

983
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: don't want to let him off the hook when we

984
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: get them on the line here because it just so much,

985
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: so much good stuff. And I I love the thing

986
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: about this podcast is that we get to kind of

987
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: learn and grow ourselves and take notes on here of

988
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: what we're learning from this, this conversation. This is one

989
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: more man that the sheet is full of notes here.

990
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just full of notes.

991
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: And what I really liked about the conversation with with

992
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: is I know what he's saying, he believes it because

993
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: the amount of times that he repeated those same things

994
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: being the standard, playing up to the stand, representing yourself

995
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: in a way that you want others to kind of emulate.

996
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 4: I love that, and his experiences in the league, first

997
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: Instancinnati then with the Rams gave us a great perspective

998
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 4: on what it's like to achieve high levels of success

999
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 4: in this league. And I think whatever form of business

1000
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: you're in, I think you can take those lessons and

1001
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 4: applying into.

1002
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: Your daily life.

1003
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: How about the old saying, right, how you do anything

1004
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: is how you do everything. When he was talking about

1005
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: sprinting onto the field, right.

1006
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: That's a small thing.

1007
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: That's a small little detail, and it doesn't matter if

1008
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: they're up fifty or down fifty. Every series that their

1009
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: offense comes on the field, he sprints onto the field.

1010
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: And I was thinking of and you'll know what I mean, bucket.

1011
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: As a high school football you see it, and teams

1012
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: you're playing against you when you watch them on tape

1013
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: or when you see him line up on the other side.

1014
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: I always found and people say this is maybe dumb,

1015
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: but I've always thought there was something to it when

1016
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: two things you see guys, even when like the national

1017
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: anthems played when they're all lined up, like on the line,

1018
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: there's all uniform, they're all lined up. And then and

1019
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 3: then like even something dumb, when a kickoff goes to

1020
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: the back of the end zone and the team has

1021
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: been instructed to go touch the goal line, it doesn't matter.

1022
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: We run through the end zone. And it's like, Okay,

1023
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: either one of those things win you a game. No,

1024
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: they don't necessarily win you a play, but it's a

1025
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: it's a it's an example of how you do anything

1026
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: is how you do everything.

1027
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big believer in that.

1028
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: And DJ back even when I was scouting, man, I

1029
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: just love to get the games early and watch teams

1030
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 4: go through pregame warm ups and this has always stayed

1031
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: with me. But I had a chance to watch Alabama

1032
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 4: and LSU in the championship game that was the rematch.

1033
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 4: It was a J mccierrin's he was a quarterback and

1034
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: they had lost to LSU before, but they came back

1035
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: and won. But I'm watching pregame and I'm watching Alabama

1036
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: go through it, and DJ it was like a machine

1037
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: a world or machine going And I'm not gonna say

1038
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: that's the reason why they won, But I certainly could

1039
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: tell by the way that they went through warm ups.

1040
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 4: I can see why the they were consistent winner because

1041
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: you could tell there was a great attention to detailed

1042
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: and it was demanded that they performed at a certain level,

1043
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: which is why they played at a certain leve.

1044
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that stuff's fascinating. Man, Just so

1045
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: many different lessons. One of the other things he mentioned

1046
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: there that I loved was, you know, going and sitting

1047
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: at a different table at at the cafeteria every day,

1048
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: just as a veteran leader, touching more guys, being around

1049
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: more guys, you have influence. What doesn't do getting good

1050
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: if your influence is just around the three veteran buddies

1051
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 3: that you've had there, you know for a long period

1052
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 3: of time. You got to exert your influence by going

1053
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: around meeting other people. And I was thinking of you know,

1054
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: that word curious, I think is kind of an underrated

1055
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: aspect of people that are successful in life, not just

1056
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: in football, but man, always learning, you know, doing martial

1057
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: arts in the off season, then swimming like never just

1058
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: the same thing, always searching to get better.

1059
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, people that talk about growth mindset, others will use

1060
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: the term lifelong learner.

1061
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. It is being inquisitive.

1062
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: It's continued to answers and challenging yourself in a bunch

1063
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: of different ways. And it it applies to the sport

1064
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: or the business, or whatever the trade or feel that

1065
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: you're in. You just always want to continue to grow

1066
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: and expand yourself.

1067
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: No doubt.

1068
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: Well there you go. That was a fun one. There

1069
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: always hear that term. You've heard it if you've watched sports,

1070
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 3: played sports. You talk about people being a great teammate.

1071
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: What does that look like?

1072
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: I thought that was a fun episode to do a

1073
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: deep dive on what exactly that is. So again, appreciate

1074
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: big Wit for taking that time for us today. He

1075
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: was actually I don't know if he said it on

1076
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: the pot. We were talking beforehand. He was in Arizona.

1077
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: Where can I think he said with Paris Johnson?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Is that who was there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He said, he said, Paris Johnson and some of his

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Speaker 4: other guys just build a facility doing some things.

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Speaker 1: It should be fund.

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Speaker 2: Good for his impact, YEP, continue to invest in these

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Speaker 2: young guys in the league. Really cool.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's going to do it for us today.

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Speaker 3: I hope you guys have enjoyed it. We'll be back

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Speaker 3: next week with a couple of new podcasts for you.

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Speaker 3: So appreciate your time and we'll see you again right

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Speaker 3: here on movistackt.

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Speaker 1: Unity.

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Speaker 4: Stu