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Speaker 1: James Carville has been a fixture in American political life

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Speaker 1: more than forty years, and he has some new predictions

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Speaker 1: on who should lead the Democratic Party in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Who could succeed Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, what drives Carvill from his Louisiana roots

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Speaker 1: to his conservative wife Mary Madeline. We hit it all

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Speaker 1: is a political phenomenon who ran the Clinton war room.

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Speaker 1: But if you only know the rage in Cajun from

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Speaker 1: his TV appearances, you're missing a lot. He went from

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Speaker 1: growing up in a tiny Louisiana town named after his

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Speaker 1: grandfather to getting tossed out of LSU to complempletely remaking

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Speaker 1: American politics, not to mention his opposites must attract marriage

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Speaker 1: to Mary Maddeline. We'll get into all of it, plus

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Speaker 1: what do he thinks will happen in the midterm elections

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Here's James Carvil.

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Speaker 1: James, first of all, thank you for letting me invade

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Speaker 1: your domicile here your family.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, thank you, hope for your monograph.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll be back.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 1: You recently said that the Democrats are going to wipe

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Speaker 1: the floor with the Republicans in these midterm elections that

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Speaker 1: are coming in.

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Speaker 2: Well, the generic.

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Speaker 1: Ballot they're up four, which is not unlike twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: And you go more intense photos sixteen. Uh huh, all right,

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Speaker 3: and remember midterms and not just what in everything would

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Speaker 3: indicate that, right. History, Yeah, is a hard History is

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Speaker 3: hard to deal with.

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Speaker 2: And presidents traditionally get smacked in.

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Speaker 3: They're getting everybody they want. So when you've faced with

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Speaker 3: a bad year as we were in ninety four, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of people decided to spend more time with

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Speaker 3: their family, all right. So, and I also based on

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Speaker 3: election results, we've had quite a few elections post the

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Speaker 3: presidential election of twenty twenty four, and it's not even close.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at I mean, it's not just New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: and it's not just Virginia. It's Georgia, it's Mississippi, it's

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Speaker 3: other places.

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Speaker 1: And you and you would you would say that's because

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Speaker 1: Democrats are more motivated a lot of.

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Speaker 3: It, and Republicans are not motivating. So I have a

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Speaker 3: place in Base Saint Lewis, which is reference to people

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Speaker 3: a couple guys came over and watched a Sunday night

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Speaker 3: game with me, and there were two white Democrats. But

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Speaker 3: the day had been there, all the light and we

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Speaker 3: were just remarking a year ago you would have seen

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Speaker 3: seven or eight trucks with Trump flags, you know, going

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Speaker 3: it would hurt me. Don't get the wrong anyone. I'll

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Speaker 3: throw anybody anything about even they see one a weekend

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Speaker 3: they had like a lot of this Mississippi Okay, you

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Speaker 2: The mag of parades.

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Speaker 3: Does that mean that these people are Democrats?

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Speaker 1: Know?

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Speaker 3: But it means that they're not getting the same amount

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Speaker 1: Who's the Democrat that you see who can carry the

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Speaker 1: flag into twenty twenty eight? Kamala Harris the AOC Rama Manual.

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Speaker 3: He'll have an effect on the dialogue.

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Speaker 1: He seems to be the only Democrat at this point

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Speaker 1: willing to willing to say James that you know, a

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Speaker 2: He seems to be the only major Democrat say that.

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Speaker 3: You know, no, I think Basher said that, but you

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Speaker 3: know that they who was a and I said, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm eighty young man, I'm never worried about getting pregnant.

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Speaker 3: You got to ask somebody else's that was the issue

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Speaker 3: in my life. To be to win the Democratic nomination,

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Speaker 3: you have to ask yourself two really important questions. One,

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Speaker 3: can you raise a lot of early money, because no

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Speaker 3: matter how they set it up that they're talking about

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Speaker 3: it happens, it happens quickly. So if you win the

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Speaker 3: first let's just say you pull an amazing upset. It

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Speaker 2: But just because of the Biden rules, they changed the rule.

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Speaker 3: You can put the rule anyway you want to, but

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Speaker 3: and you got to put it you got to report it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: for sure, Priscoal for sure, Shapiro because they're governors of

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Speaker 2: People, they have a network.

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Speaker 3: But the second question you have to ask yourself, and

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Speaker 3: attention to all? Who more appropriately? That's just then example,

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Speaker 3: we're using the Olds. Who can walk into a blackfish

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Speaker 3: fry in South Carolina? A black church? Now they could

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Speaker 3: be nice, they're very polite people, but who is going

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Speaker 3: to get them to hum and sway? And if whoever?

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Speaker 3: What happened? We lost New Hampshire, Obama lost New Hampshire,

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Speaker 3: Biden lost New Hampshire. All right, where were they all made?

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Speaker 3: Where were Clinton? Obama and Biden all mate? In South Carolina?

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Speaker 3: Who made him? Southern blacks is not going to change

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Speaker 3: my life was my daddy. So who is going to

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Speaker 3: go in there? If I had to say one guy,

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Speaker 3: I really don't know him very superficially. But if I

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Speaker 3: twelve to one horse and I said, yeah, I want

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Speaker 3: to get a price. I take JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritsky Really, why well not Paris? She's black.

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Speaker 3: He has no chance.

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Because no Democrat wants anything to do with anybody that

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Speaker 3: we dislike him, it's this is this is not what

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Speaker 3: is no enthusiasm. I mean, look, if you do a

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, they be any name they heard, Well,

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Speaker 3: the person they heard of is always going to be.

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Speaker 2: But that that's meaning, that doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna So Kamala.

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Speaker 2: Harris can't get the black community to sway in home.

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Speaker 3: No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is, and this is the best

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Speaker 3: They don't. If we nominate two white males, no one's

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Speaker 3: chance to win with two white males. So if we

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Speaker 3: nominate no.

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Speaker 2: But why J D. Pritzker.

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy who's come on he's this is a

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Speaker 2: How does he resonate with the black.

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Speaker 3: If they like him? Man, he campaigns hard. I bet

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Speaker 3: you there's not a black church in South Carolina. JB

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Speaker 3: is not part of the building fund committee. Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and he's got he's bigger than life. But what he

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Speaker 3: black jacket laws, veg. That makes people like him? He

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Speaker 3: no no, that's going to make you popular. The young black,

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Speaker 3: But that's neither hear of that, but that combination of

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Speaker 3: say James, I just said, eighteen percent of the population

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Speaker 3: but you're going to hit the wall. And do you

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Speaker 3: And there's a large part of the Democratic Party that

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Speaker 3: ra even if you think about it, Winning in itself

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Speaker 3: Now that seems shallow in one sense until you think

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Speaker 1: And look, a lot of your contemporaries have either retired

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Speaker 3: Now? I am aware that I do have some way

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Speaker 3: of our classic dishes are albam at of different flavors

435
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Speaker 3: and different ingredients.

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Speaker 2: Nine different cultures that came together.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And I think this I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I think it's a question. It's a Clinton is elected,

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Speaker 3: except from nineteen ninety two to twenty twenty six is

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Speaker 3: thirty four years? What is thirty four? From ninety two

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Speaker 3: thirty would be sixty two fifty eight to be like,

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Speaker 3: we're sitting there in nineteen ninety two and let's listen

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Speaker 3: to this guy from nineteen to Adley Stevens, a guy.

444
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Speaker 3: That's the guy we need right now, get him on

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Speaker 3: the phone.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the span of time.

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Speaker 3: Span of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the core principles of what you unearthed

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Speaker 1: then remain relevant. Now, I would argue, because now this

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Speaker 1: is just my take on you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this might not be true.

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Speaker 1: My take is because of where you come from and

453
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Speaker 1: the people you frequent it's not like the Washington establishment

454
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Speaker 1: or consulting class. You were in touch with working class

455
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Speaker 1: voters and the core of both parties now in a

456
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Speaker 1: way that other people aren't.

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Speaker 3: So if we've been honest, comment Howard, here we are

458
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, they were talking about me. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 3: I think moving here matter difference because people see people

460
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: just like you. People see people in Washington and the

461
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Speaker 3: only way to ever see someone leave is in a

462
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Speaker 3: pine box of handcuffs, stony way you get across the paton.

463
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Speaker 2: All right, why did you want to get out of Washington?

464
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Speaker 2: Why did you come back to New York?

465
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Speaker 3: The stated reason I gave happens to be the real reason.

466
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Speaker 3: And the Posts called me, and it was in and

467
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Speaker 3: they said, why are you doing this? Because it was

468
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Speaker 3: I understand. It's almost like an active defind it. People

469
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: just didn't do this. People when the Senate they lost,

470
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Speaker 3: they opened the lobby and child kept the.

471
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Speaker 2: Kid just go the stay at the Watergate.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I said, well, it's the truth. I don't

473
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Speaker 3: want to grow old among strangers. And you're not a

474
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Speaker 3: strange in Washington if you have power. But the minute

475
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Speaker 3: you lose power, the minute no one gives a shit

476
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Speaker 3: about here. We like has been Hell, has been city, okay,

477
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Speaker 3: but I ultimate has been sitting in Well okay, you

478
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Speaker 3: understand that, and we get has been people and well

479
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Speaker 3: we like them.

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Speaker 1: Well you said something one so that resonates with me.

481
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Speaker 1: Though when you see it at coffee shops, you see

482
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Speaker 1: it at restaurants.

483
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Speaker 2: In New Orleans. We venerate our elders. We do in

484
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Speaker 2: a way that other cities don't sho.

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Speaker 3: I tell you the story, and I tell you it's

486
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Speaker 3: worth repeat. And I had a friend of mine East

487
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Speaker 3: Coast was here and we were walking for reference point.

488
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Speaker 3: I live in a place called Lafeyad Square's kind of

489
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Speaker 3: old city of city. And so I'm walking and this

490
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Speaker 3: older black guy says, hey, mister Carville, how you do

491
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Speaker 3: Oh man, we're doing good. You know how you think

492
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Speaker 3: that the Saint's gonna win next week? Or I don't

493
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Speaker 3: know's you know, just normal street banner. And so the

494
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Speaker 3: guy with says, it's actually a female. To be honest

495
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Speaker 3: with you said, the people black people still call white

496
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Speaker 3: people mister here. I said, you got to understand. So

497
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Speaker 3: it had nothing to do with my race, had everything

498
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Speaker 3: to do with my age. If I would have been

499
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Speaker 3: a seventy nine year old black man, he would have

500
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Speaker 3: called me mister Williams. That you got to understand that

501
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Speaker 3: this is the unique thing about this place. We give deference.

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Speaker 3: You know, if an older person comes on the street car,

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Speaker 3: remove right. Okay, that's not a it's not an act

504
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Speaker 3: of chivalry, it's not an act of being gracious. It's

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Speaker 3: just what we do. It's it's almost automatic.

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Speaker 2: And the mister and missus is a respectful title, absolutely

507
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Speaker 2: given to you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking, oh, miss Jane, Miss Janet. Just

509
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Speaker 1: people I know in my life, and I would never

510
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Speaker 1: refer to them by.

511
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Speaker 2: Their first right.

512
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Speaker 3: Okay, but let's just what do you I'm not here.

513
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Speaker 3: We just call everybody and they've.

514
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Speaker 2: Been around long enough they're not an ants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah see, but people that are not from this culture

516
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Speaker 3: can't quite understanding because most coaches are a little stand offish.

517
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Speaker 1: Do you worry at times that you, in your public

518
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Speaker 1: pronouncements are too provocative? I read something the other day.

519
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Speaker 1: I'm going to clean this up. I wouldn't pee down

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's.

521
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Speaker 2: Throat if his heart was on fire.

522
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Speaker 1: Do you worry you go over the line at times?

523
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Speaker 2: Is there a danger of that?

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Speaker 3: I guess there is. But if you never approach the line,

525
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Speaker 3: you're never going to get hurt. And I will say this,

526
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Speaker 3: you have never had to and all the time, I've

527
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Speaker 3: never said if I said anything that offended someone, and

528
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Speaker 3: I want to know it, I profoundly didn't mean to

529
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Speaker 3: do it, and it can't. You know, Sometimes I say

530
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: some provocative things. It's probably you could say, well, maybe

531
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Speaker 3: there's a more elegant way you could put.

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Speaker 1: A dear friend who's a brilliant political mind said to me,

533
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Speaker 1: once you know James Carvill and Donald Trump are really

534
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Speaker 1: the mirror image opposite of each other, do you you.

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Speaker 2: Would you buy that?

536
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Speaker 3: I hope so, But I don't know me in.

537
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Speaker 1: The way that the audacity of what you say, the

538
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Speaker 1: clarity and the willingness to bring fight to the game

539
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Speaker 1: where others go, uh, we'll just issue a press release.

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Speaker 3: Again. I guess I should feel at one point complimented

541
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Speaker 3: by But if you stop and you think about it,

542
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Speaker 3: this is what I really worry about, and it'll take

543
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Speaker 3: a second. Is I grew up so we'd had it's

544
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Speaker 3: falled own place in a round at the we're on

545
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Speaker 3: top of the world. In the year two thousand, it

546
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Speaker 3: was widely reported a lot in the conservative media named

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Speaker 3: Jorge Will Charles Krotheimer. I think it was maybe Bill

548
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: Crystal said in the year two thousand, the United States culturally,

549
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Speaker 3: militarily and economically was the most dominantation visa vita the

550
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Speaker 3: rest of the worlds. In Saint Errome in this the

551
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: sart of this century. Twenty six years ago, it was

552
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Speaker 3: assumed that we have occupied the worldwide presier. Now, this

553
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: is the danger of this isolationism, and so dwarfs started

554
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: to do workarounds. The Canadians have now made a deal

555
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Speaker 3: with the Chinese. The Europeans are making a deal with

556
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Speaker 3: Latin America. The dollar is losing value. No, no, no, the

557
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: currency markets go be fair. But our position in the

558
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: world compared to the rest of the world is really

559
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: taking a hint. And I think that we were Did

560
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: we do some stupid things, yes, but by and large

561
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Speaker 3: we had shipping lanes, we had to default currency of

562
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Speaker 3: the world. We had engaged in any number of economic

563
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Speaker 3: and defense treaties that did they compassome by nature. And

564
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: so let's talk about the current assault on Europe. In NATO,

565
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 3: people say, you know, they didn't contribute enough. You know,

566
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Speaker 3: we had troops in Germany, we had troops there. You know,

567
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Speaker 3: we didn't have in since nineteen forty five, or European

568
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Speaker 3: land war. European land wars cost us in World War

569
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Speaker 3: One or World War two. And it may be cumbersome,

570
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Speaker 3: it may be whatever, but God damn that they're not

571
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Speaker 3: invading each other, at least at this moment. So in

572
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Speaker 3: my mind, look, when you go back and you listen

573
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Speaker 3: to to Reagan's clarity standing up to communism but being

574
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Speaker 3: very Western, and his outlook and where it was, it was,

575
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Speaker 3: actually I'm definitely kind of warmed up down some oh

576
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: Man Bush clearly understood that. But I do think there's

577
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Speaker 3: a place for old fashioned state craft.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about growing up in Carville, a town here

579
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Speaker 1: in Louisiana named after your great grandfather. What was it

580
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Speaker 1: like being a Carville in Carville?

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Speaker 3: So if you remember the stories, you didn't grow up

582
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Speaker 3: and if I grew up in segregation. So famously the

583
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Speaker 3: movie The Ate is the White Satin, the Orchestra Devalcony

584
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Speaker 3: except in one place, Carville. Why because it was so black,

585
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Speaker 3: the black sat and the orchestra and the w and

586
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: it was a classic. There's a rule in Louisiana, and

587
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: it's pretty accurate. The closer you are to the river

588
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: generally the poorer you are, with the exception in your ors,

589
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: but most places, most polished places in Louisiana along the river,

590
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: and the more black. If you took percentage of black

591
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Speaker 3: for a population, you would it looked like the river flooded,

592
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: and so Carvell was definitely a reflection on that. I

593
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: can't tell you it was eighty sent black maybe at least.

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Speaker 3: And so that was just the experience. And then the

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Speaker 3: other thing was we had the storium the center for

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Speaker 3: Hanson's z right and if you are to talk about

597
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Speaker 3: and I love it when I spoke it to this

598
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: very high end Tony private school in Los Scientists, somebody

599
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: asked me to talk to class student body and says

600
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: kid from bel Air says, you know, you got to

601
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: understand marginalized people. I said, wait, stop just a second.

602
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Speaker 3: You live in bel Air and I live in Carville,

603
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: and you're going to tell me about marginalized people. I

604
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: didn't know anyone that wasn't marginalized. You might not be

605
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: more marginalized in nineteen fifty eight than to be than

606
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Speaker 3: to have leprosy being a poor, uneducated black person. So

607
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: I don't tell me about marginalized people. The whole liven

608
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: been around marginalized people.

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Speaker 1: And you grew up in a household of eight they children, Wow,

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Speaker 1: how did that shape you?

611
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Speaker 3: James?

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Speaker 2: And they, by the way, I should say, are probably

613
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Speaker 2: more conservative than you.

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Speaker 3: Why is that well, there's a lot of it had

615
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: to do with abortion. I said it was thirty third.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I have my There are some they're definitely regard

617
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: to the carveorders, would identify as Republicans. But it's more

618
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: than this, more than a few that are Democrats. We

619
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: don't really talk about it that much. It's not a

620
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Speaker 3: most of them, the exception of three or four kind

621
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Speaker 3: of soul and Trump Now they're more culturally conservative or

622
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Speaker 3: religious conservative.

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Speaker 1: It isn't true of all of Louisiana. It was a

624
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: traditionally democratic state, but they were very conservative Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Well, another thing is is a third of Republicans in Louisiana.

626
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Speaker 3: Republicans have just opportunity. I don't have that. They're not,

627
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Speaker 3: but I don't know. You know, Louisian's guy don't. I

628
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: don't live in a place based on his politics. Okay,

629
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Speaker 3: I don't live in a place because it's blue or

630
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: it's red. It's just not a term five factor. And

631
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Speaker 3: I don't hang out with people based on their photo

632
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 3: ideology like most of the people.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's probably what gives you the perspective that you

634
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: have that's very different from others. You don't hang along

635
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: and you don't hang around with people just in your column.

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00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: No I don't. I don't. So I'll tell you the

637
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: best political story ever was Bill Clinton's story. Huh. So

638
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: we have the anniversary of we used to getting older,

639
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 3: so we don't do it. I've had a fifteen anniversary,

640
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: a twenty anniversary something.

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Speaker 1: Everybody go to a little rock get together, you know,

642
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: and get together and remember the old days.

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Speaker 3: So my assistant in or on his name was Kanya Andrews.

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Speaker 3: She's actually amended, believe it or not. And so the

645
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: president is going through and taking everybody and you know,

646
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: people get to get that selfie and pick cans and everything.

647
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Speaker 3: And so I'm sitting there with Ky and her daughter.

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Speaker 3: Maybe your name is Ashley, I remember, but it was whatever.

649
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: In case, mister president, this is my daughter Ashley. She

650
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: wants to be president one day. What advice do you

651
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Speaker 3: have for you know, like, oh god, you didn't just

652
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: do that. Put the president of two things. Study hard,

653
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: and meet as many people as you can that are

654
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 3: not like you never heard better political advice for an

655
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: ambitious young person. In my entire life, it's.

656
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: The Carville doctrine. But it's the Carville doctrine. I know

657
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: you're attributing you to Clinton, but.

658
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: It's really your doctors. You know, he distilled it, you

659
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: know what his kind of study hard and meet as

660
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: many people as you can that are not like you,

661
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: and human beings have a comfort and just being around

662
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: their own that I have never because I didn't grow

663
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: up around my own, right, I've never been in a place.

664
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: You know, my experience was not among people who were

665
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: my own. And people self segregate. So we used to

666
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: do this, take it this is the sixties or the

667
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: Lost Compiracy. We'd all go to the big student union

668
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: and we got to when somebody came through, we could

669
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: predict where they were going to go, because the Greeks

670
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: had their low place, the Brown Vegas had their little place,

671
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: the political people had their little place, the gay students.

672
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Had their everybody had their corner.

673
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: Everybody had the corner. And no matter if you go

674
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: huge student union, big state university, and we would sit

675
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: there and try to pick out where is she or

676
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: he going to go. The Rozzi people they had their

677
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: own place, right and sometimes the bigger the institution that

678
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: people get in, the more to self segregate.

679
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: That amazing, all right, And that's bad for our politics.

680
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: It's not me and I do think that the more

681
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: that you force yourself out of your comfort zone, that's

682
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: why I like salespeople, because they just want to sell.

683
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: They're always out there, that was out there. They go

684
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: to everybody.

685
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: They go to everybody, okay, and they ad and they

686
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: hear a conversation and they pick up. Now you can say, well,

687
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: the guy just wants to sell yourself. Okay, he just

688
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: wants to sell yourself.

689
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: But he knows the territory.

690
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: He knows the territory, and he knows you, and he's

691
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: trying to figure you out.

692
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something I read, James. I'm gonna read this

693
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: back to you.

694
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: You describe yourself as an intense cradle Catholic altar boy

695
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Catholic school. Your cousin was a priest, but you drifted

696
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: from the church for a time.

697
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: What brought you back?

698
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I gave an interview of America

699
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: the General magazine. I said, you know, I was never molested,

700
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 3: so I may have some wrong with me, but I

701
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: had very positive experiences. What brought me back is I

702
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: think I had it was something missing, and I think

703
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: coming back to New Orleans had a lot to do

704
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 3: with that. I think in some way. When I moved

705
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: here it was sixty four sixty five, and I do

706
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: think that part of it was driven that I grew

707
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: up with such structure and in the church. You know,

708
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: it does give you a structure, it does give you

709
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: a framework, and it forces me. You know, I don't

710
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: usually sit and read the Gospels. I mean, it's just

711
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: not some then I'm in an airplane and I'll say, oh,

712
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: I got to do ten minutes of obligatory reading. But

713
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: what I like about the church is is it is

714
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: in tune with the seasons. So you get a chance

715
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: as to the turgical calendar evolves, you get a chance

716
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: to evolve with it. Now this is mean. I don't

717
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: get into sort of question what do you accept this?

718
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: Do you accept that? Or a cafeteria calic caught Catholics.

719
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: That's not what it is. But what it does do

720
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: is that it does give a framework to think about things.

721
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: You think that framework in that structure is why so

722
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: many young men are coming back, You think so.

723
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: I think so, And I think that just the fact

724
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: that it's survived as long as it as. Also, look,

725
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: this church was not much in two thousand and two.

726
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: It just wasn't much of the mal force. I think

727
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it when Leo became Pope. Well, it

728
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: was actually got from Chicogo, you know. When I grew up,

729
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: I grew up on the Pirates of Twelve. It was,

730
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, when I was born nineteen forty four. He

731
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: died in nineteen fifty eight. So my father years was

732
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: just kind of a steward aloof Italian Italian guy that

733
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: I hid nothing in common with, all right, other than

734
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: he was the Pope. And then John Fanny. There was

735
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: very brief and it was like some kind of camelot.

736
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: They were like him and Kennedy. It was almost at

737
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: the same time. We didn't have them for very long.

738
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: And I think that that I guess, you know, the

739
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: Pope down Paul and I think Francis I kind of

740
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: I didn't know him in Argentina, but I spent a

741
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: lot of time I knew people. He taught ye all right,

742
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: and I actually saw him on the bus. He really

743
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: did ride the bus. I also when so by the

744
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: point out, so you see that that's the coordinal is

745
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 3: only look look at you know people.

746
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: I've heard people say how can you be a Democrat

747
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: and a Catholic?

748
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, how can you be a Republican

749
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: be a Catholic? But that's not the big dividing issues

750
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: of course, is choice? Right, there's a thousand reasons to

751
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: be a Democrat in be a CA. I think there's

752
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: probably a thousand reasons to be a Republican be a Catholic.

753
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 3: I don't somehow another it's two separate.

754
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: It's just it's too separate issues. They're not related in

755
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: your mind. But here's the thing.

756
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: I could give you scriptural authority for I have a democrat.

757
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: I can give you whatever, and you could give me

758
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: scripture authority and the magistrum would teach it is and

759
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't know's.

760
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Here's a political implication that I've always been amazed by.

761
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, you had one of your biggest

762
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: victories with Bob Casey.

763
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: Now, Bob Casey was a Democrat who was.

764
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: Pro life, definitely a centrist, and you took him over

765
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: the line and you said he was the three time

766
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: loser from holy.

767
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 3: Cross, great time laws from holy Cross.

768
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: How did you do it? And is there room now

769
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: or should there be for pro life democrats? In the

770
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: Democratic Party.

771
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: So I guess my immediate retort would be, is there

772
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: room for a pro choice Republican?

773
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: And obviously there is there are.

774
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 3: The truth about it is it's not going to change.

775
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: It is a decided issue in both parties now it's not.

776
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: And I don't know who the Supreme Court did a

777
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: favor for a Dobbs. I'm not sure it probably we

778
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: all thought it was going to rearrange American politics. Actually

779
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: did not rearrange much. It's so Casey was. He was

780
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: what it was called, and it used to be these people,

781
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: maybe you remember it in it, what to call seamless

782
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: gormant catholices. That's the way he viewed himself. Because he

783
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: was pro wife, he had to be pro wick women

784
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 3: and children nutrition. And he said, I wrote a book

785
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety six and the cried to break up

786
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: of the traditional family. If came to kind of defended that.

787
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: Dan Quayle was right thing. But you know, I got

788
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: to tell you this, the family has not prospered since

789
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, but people have adjusted. I would never

790
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: My fondest hope as a grandparent is my grandchild who

791
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: gets married has a two parent family has children and

792
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 3: goes home.

793
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: Because that's the healthiest we know, demographically, it's the healthiest

794
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: one know.

795
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: It worked for me. I'd like to see it work

796
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: for everybody else, But you know what, it doesn't work

797
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: for everybody else, and I become a lot less judgmental,

798
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: you know, and everybody has can use scripture for anything

799
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: they want. Maybe my favorite part of scripture is judge,

800
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: not unless you be judged or yet it was outsind

801
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: throw the first down. I think that, you know, again,

802
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: you can take religion or particularly Jesus, and you can

803
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: find authority for anything. If you look hard enough, you

804
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: can interpret things the way you want. But clearly he

805
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: was not a judgmental person at all. That's pretty clear

806
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: for me.

807
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Well, you said the most uncomfortable person in Christianity.

808
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: Maybe he was sent here to make us uncomfortable. Maybe

809
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: he was sent here you know he wasn't very comfortable

810
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: in a temple.

811
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Well yeah, God perfection would have a way to make

812
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable, you know, perfections uncomfortable.

813
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, but he is the most controversial

814
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: person in Christianity, and I think it's something center most

815
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: forgotten person in Christianity.

816
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: In some ways, Yeah, in some ways. Yeah, I want

817
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: to go.

818
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: Back to something before I talk about Mary Maddel and

819
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: your wife. In two thousand and three, you went to

820
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: Venezuela and you were consulting to try to dislocate Hugo Chavez.

821
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Given what you know there, what do you make of

822
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: Trump's forays into Venezuela cutting it off and and the

823
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: capture of Maduro.

824
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: Very very very good question. So, first of all, I

825
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: worked in twenty two different countries in visits. I've never

826
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: seen an election result that shocked me. Actually, Tavez was

827
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: kind of popular. Now, I work for what they call oligarchs,

828
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 3: and it's amazing when you would talk to these people

829
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: as I would. And so Venezuela had and I worked

830
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: a lot in Latin America all the way of reference,

831
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: Venezuela had all of this wealth, a lot of it,

832
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: and they kept the Venezuela and pay so strong, so

833
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: the oligos could shop in Miami, and so they didn't

834
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: do what Brazilian of Mexican entrepreneurs, dead of people, they

835
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: don't they make and not much else. So in most

836
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: of the oil is alone, that northern shore. It's also

837
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: as we famously know, and I would go through Houston

838
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: a lot. So the Houston to Caracas flight was for

839
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: all people. And they were explaining that because it's such

840
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: a what they call heavy a shower crew, it's hard

841
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: to refine and it comes up pipes and moving parts

842
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: a lot, and so it requires a lot of maintenance. Uh,

843
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: you haven't seen shantytowns. You've seen like Caracas, even some Apollo,

844
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: It's Mexico City. I mean, we're just never seen no,

845
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: I mean, poverty like that on that kind of scale.

846
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: So what do you make of the Trump intervention in Venezuela.

847
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 3: Well, it was the first I was a decapitation. We

848
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: just took one guy out and we put somebody that.

849
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: It is not at all certain or anything. Who runs it,

850
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: who's runs the military? Who? I don't know, But I

851
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: don't know that anything has changed.

852
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: Do you think they can have a fair election now?

853
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: They've had fair elections in the past. Now he sold it,

854
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: under stole it. Chavez didn't steal elections, he won it.

855
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: He actually won them.

856
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that I'm.

857
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 3: Pretty sure because we had really good polling. I've seen

858
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 3: Poland in most places. Again, I've very seldom been shocked.

859
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: I've been disappointed. I thought Harris would win in twenty

860
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 3: four kind of thought. I was shocked at trump woint.

861
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: But I don't think the election was marginally I don't

862
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: think it was any Shenanigans. Elections are hard to fix.

863
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. But Chavez actually won. Yeah, he wasn't

864
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: the greatest small dey Democrat ever, but did have some

865
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: referendums that did bring it in their demonstrations, and he

866
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 3: always had a certain thirty eight hated him, but yeah,

867
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: fifty one kind of like it. And what the Oligauchts

868
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: would tell me was really telling we deserved worse than

869
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 3: we got. Wow. Wow, they're kind of new. But there's

870
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: a Coke Bottler in Venezuela. There's you know, Sitgo had

871
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: a lot of Western engineers there. There's a McDonald's in Venezuela.

872
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of interest, interest that shape the body,

873
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: politics take the body. So you don't think it's going

874
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: to change very much without Maduro there. Well, I don't know,

875
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 3: as like two thousand and three is a long time.

876
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 3: In twenty six, no, no, and I don't know if

877
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: she's that much. Maduro was clearly lost an election and

878
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: would leave but that's more and more than normal around

879
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: the world.

880
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your dear wife, Mary. Sure,

881
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll be in full disclosure. Is A is a friend

882
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: both of you. But you met she's Bush's running Bush's campaign,

883
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: You're you're with Clinton.

884
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: How did you all meet physically meet?

885
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: So there was a story a god named Jim Perry

886
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal story and it was about me and someone.

887
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: But it's about here's this guy that's kind of had

888
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: an appeared on the radar screen. He's winning all these

889
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 3: elections because I had the Casey Wilkinson Loutenberg and I

890
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: was in the middle of the milleration in George. I

891
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: was going to but at a hot streaking at Harris

892
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: Waffer and Clinton, and so Lee Atwater said, I want

893
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: you to go date this guy and figure out what

894
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 3: he knows that he's winning these elections.

895
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: Wait. So Mary was sent as the honey traps.

896
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 3: Wow. So she called a woman called Rooney, who was

897
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: Tim Russell's on a book, and she said, do you

898
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: know this guy? James Harver said, yeah, I know really well.

899
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: He and Tim, you know, big friends. They talk all

900
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: the time on the phone. Said can you fix me

901
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: up witharing this is Mary calling Collette says, I got

902
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: this orange. She's really good looking at Republicans Ship, why not? Yeah?

903
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: And Mary has and I don't say this because my

904
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: wife has been married since ninety three. But she has

905
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: just like presents about her. It's the way she dresses,

906
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: the way she does. I don't know the jewelry. She

907
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: she's one of these people the first time you see us.

908
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: She has she has a kind of hand on the thermostack.

909
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: She kind of controls the room temperature, if you will.

910
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: And somebody said, well, how do you explain your relationship

911
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: with Mary? And I said, okay, I'm going to draw

912
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: up a word. And you haven't heard, but it exists,

913
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: it used to exist, and people's told by it's called romance.

914
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: And you know what, no one has been able to

915
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: figure it out. Everyone has taken a shot at it. Shakespeare,

916
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 3: I took a shot at it. Okay, all the great

917
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: film directors and Billy Harry met Sally, Billy Wilder, everybody

918
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: has taken a shot at it, and no one's explained it.

919
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: And that's what it is. That's what it is. And

920
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't explain romance anybody, And I can

921
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: explain gravity. And then she made me propose to her

922
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: at a dirt track auto race.

923
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: Joseph, what wait a minute, she made you propose to her.

924
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: She had bought her own ring and said, okay, you

925
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 3: get on your knees and you put this ring on

926
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 3: my finger. And there were all these guys going around

927
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: in a dirt racing track.

928
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: Look perfect, backdrop, James looked perfect. Now, how do you

929
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: navigate this though?

930
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: I mean?

931
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: Are you all are on radically different political tracts here?

932
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: Radically different? Now?

933
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: I know you've you've mentioned to me that you all

934
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: had some titanic fights about Iraq? But do you talk

935
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: about politics? Have you ever had another fight at the

936
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: table that you remember?

937
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: Not too much, because you know, you learn anybody gets married.

938
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: Some people can't bring up their laws. Okay, some people

939
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: can't bring up their friends, don't. I don't like that.

940
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: I don't hang it out, you.

941
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: Know, Okay, just don't mention it.

942
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: It's not the greatest sacrifice. Well, and we can talk.

943
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: Usually let her she'll ask. She'll bring it up in

944
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: a kind of securitis way, and I'll talk about it

945
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: a little bit. But most of our friends, with the

946
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 3: exception of some in New Orleans I think one of

947
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: the reasons she likes you because she has some friends

948
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 3: that are actually conservative Republicans, who are who she can talk.

949
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: Who will take side of the debate.

950
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: Most most of the times that most of the social

951
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: settings that you're in, people are generally That's the other

952
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: thing is people applied here, so they just won't bring it.

953
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: Out right, they just leave it. And that's how you

954
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: handle your marriage. You don't, right, I don't.

955
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: They don't do that.

956
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: And I've heard you and talk strategically about things, but

957
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: not about not about anything deeply held.

958
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rock wall was a big it was a

959
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: pretty tough issue for us. But you know, it's it's

960
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: worked out. Okay. I don't know exactly how I do it,

961
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 3: but I'm uh. And the other great thing is when

962
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: all else fails, you have the kids, a grand kid.

963
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: You have again, you have the calendar, the division let's

964
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: go I have if if I starts go to a holiday.

965
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: Anything but politics, that's smart. Okay, I'm going to run

966
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: through my Royal Grande questionnaire.

967
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: I these have everybody. These are quick questions. Okay, what's

968
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: the best advice you ever received?

969
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: Honestly? Yeah, just treat people. That golden role was the

970
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: best advice anybody ever got in the world. You're not

971
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: gonna beat that. There's no no sense in trying to me.

972
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: You can think and think and think, you know, and

973
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: that might you ever received, not ever followed, but received

974
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: the golden rope.

975
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: Who's the person you most admire.

976
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: That I know or don't know that you know Mary anyways? Uh,

977
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: you expect me to say that next to Pelosi?

978
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi? Why?

979
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: Well? She first of all, she raised five children. She

980
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: didn't run to office since she was forty nine. She

981
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 3: left when her time was up. She made an impact.

982
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: She was a political killer.

983
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: When people would would say to me, you know, back

984
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: in say two thousand and six, the Pelosi do, I said, well,

985
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: you don't understand. She's a role model for my daughters.

986
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't just like Nancy Pelosi. I want my children

987
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: to grow up with her values and it's less to

988
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: do with her politics. And she's very raw politically. Her

989
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: daddy was the bed. Yeah, who's showing up to date

990
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 3: Nancy Delsandro or Nancy Pelosi? Because there's two different people.

991
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: Brother, boy, who's the person you most despise?

992
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't.

993
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: Honestly, Raymond, I try not to really despise anybody. I

994
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: guess like a person that I would, I don't know.

995
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: He's worried. Despised might be to worry. But somebody who

996
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: I basically thought had an opportunity to do something really good,

997
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: that I kind of had a similar approach to the

998
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: world that I thought could have maybe LaToya.

999
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: LaToya Cantrell, the former mayor of No Worl.

1000
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: Now I can't say I despised LaToya, but she had.

1001
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: She could have been about something so much bigger, and

1002
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: she had an opportunity. So I can't shay out of it.

1003
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm much harsher. You know, there's an expression of it

1004
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 3: is true. I used to say Democrats are heard on

1005
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 3: their own children and easier on everybody else's children. Republicans

1006
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: tend to be easier on their own children and harder

1007
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: than everybody else than everybody else's children. Like oh, oh,

1008
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 3: guy can't study, he's distracted. You got to pass this test.

1009
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: If you don't pass this test, you can't go anywhere,

1010
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: and you're done for the rest of your life. If

1011
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's a little bit of a

1012
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 3: cultural approach. So I would be, and I don't only

1013
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: use word despised, were disappointed, but the kind of people

1014
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: that I really admire, people like Mike Mansfield even though

1015
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 3: oh Man Bush, people who were like about you know,

1016
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm a sucker for the old line people who you know,

1017
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: actually sad country over south and actually at some level

1018
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 3: kind of believed it.

1019
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you know that others have forgotten or

1020
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: don't know?

1021
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 3: That political communications is the only endeavor in the world

1022
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: that you multiply it by subtraction. In other words, than

1023
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 3: anything else you do, you multiply it by multiplied, and

1024
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: you multiply it by addition. In politics, the less you say,

1025
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: the more you hurt.

1026
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: Final question, what happens when this is over?

1027
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 3: James, I don't know there's anybody else I think good.

1028
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why if you look at still

1029
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 3: what we retain is we've got to we really educate

1030
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: people better than pretty well really well. And I think

1031
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 3: that people sometimes then I think there's sometimes people assume

1032
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: what they got they'll always have, and when they're threatened

1033
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: that they may not have it, they'll want it more.

1034
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: And I think that that's what's going to be at work.

1035
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: I think people say you, no, I remember the way

1036
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: this was it one perfect, but it was better than this,

1037
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 3: and uh, you know most of the people you don't

1038
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: go back to Lincoln. It's like one of my favorite

1039
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, I appeal to the better angels in us.

1040
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: What is something that somebody just say that I know

1041
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: not all angels? Did I know all that? There's somebody, Yeah,

1042
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 3: there's some something aspirational and as the one thing that

1043
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: democratic message and has traditionally but not always lack, is aspirational.

1044
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: J Carr, thank you as always. Okay, here's the whole.

1045
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: That bit of advice from Bill Clinton, study hard and

1046
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: spend time with people not like you. That's fantastic advice

1047
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: because look, in my job, I meet people from all

1048
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: walks of life, the tradesmen and entertainers, educators, homemakers, billionaires,

1049
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: very poor people.

1050
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you one thing, It drastically.

1051
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: Alters your worldview when you're around people from different backgrounds.

1052
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: It gives you a wider sense of things when you

1053
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: get outside your bubble. That is one of the keys

1054
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: that it made James Carville such an indispensable political mercenary

1055
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: to go out and consult on these campaigns he does

1056
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: touch and talk with different types of people. Whatever you

1057
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: think of his most admired folks that you heard there,

1058
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back to Arroyo Grande soon. Why

1059
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: settle for a dry, constricted life when if you fill

1060
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: it with wisdom and knowledge and new people, it can

1061
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: flow into a broad, thriving Arroyo Grande.

1062
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm Raymond Arroyo.

1063
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,520
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1064
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,840
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