WEBVTT - Snake Oil Salesmen 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.840 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our Podstream 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:24.960 studios in Times Square. A pandemic, a war mask mandates 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:32.120 suing of schools, out of control fires, hurricanes. That's just 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.000 the top headlines of where America is and it is 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:41.040 only what fucking Wednesday. Funny enough, I was watching the 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.839 news and an anchor said this. If you are watching 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.319 this right now and you feel riddled with anxiety, you 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:54.959 feel depressed or frustrated, You're not alone. I don't think 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.200 that I've ever seen or heard an anchor say that 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:03.160 before on the news, which is the recognition that every 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.400 single segment, every single story that they are covering as 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:11.880 their job to enlighten the American people provide information on 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.040 where we are and where we are headed. Is becoming 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:22.559 so desperately troubling because you don't know where things are going, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.360 and you don't really know how to provide calm and 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:30.399 assurance to people, let alone yourself. The reality is is 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.360 that every day that you've been waking up in this 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.800 country for the past several years, we are beginning to 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:41.199 understand what it is like to live in an oppressive state. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.600 What it is like to live in a country whose 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.240 leaders you can't trust, who don't have your best interests 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.720 at heart. And I remember, you know, traveling around before COVID, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.920 when we were able to travel and feel good about traveling, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.680 you know, going into these countries where their governments were 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.120 kind of in shambles, but the country was beautiful and 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.680 the people seem nice, but they don't really have any 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.680 opportunities and there wasn't a whole lot going on. I 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.519 now understand, or am understanding, how it feels to wake 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.240 up every day and wonder when the other shoe is 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.640 going to drop. Now, look, Donald Trump is no longer 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:27.280 the president of the United States, God bless elections. But 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.600 what do we know. We know that since then ten 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.760 months ago, when the decision was made by the American 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.880 people to boot out an authoritarian fascist wanna be who 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:45.560 delighted with the journalists about having intel about COVID nineteen 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.959 but not offering that to the American people. No, No, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:52.799 instead offering up snake oil and lies and bullshit right 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.880 as a means to hold power. We're not in that 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.239 place anymore. But since then, over three hundred voter suppression 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.600 bills have been rolled out. There's no federal legislation that 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.840 has been agreed upon. The House voted and passed the 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.079 John Lewis Voting Rights Act along party lines. Not one 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:15.600 fucking Republican, not that Adam Kinzinger, not the Liz Cheney, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.519 not one of them in the House of Representatives, who 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:23.520 we say, are you know, normal? Decided to vote on 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:28.680 the side of their former colleague that died right, that died, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.120 that spent his entire life, John Lewis, spent his entire 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:37.680 life fighting for people's right to vote. Your colleague that 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.960 you worked alongside of some for decades upon decades, you 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.560 decided to vote against a piece of legislation that bears 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:52.640 his goddamn name. Again, I will say this, like I 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.360 say every couple of days, when people show you who 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:01.000 they are, believe them. Stop trying to return and Republicans 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:06.320 to this mystical pastime when they cared about the American people, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.840 when they wanted what was best for the country, when 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:15.000 we put politics, you know, aside, and did what was right, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:20.799 when we were agreed to collaborate. Right, No, we're not there, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.320 and I don't think folks, that we will ever go 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.400 back there. Ever, Again, not when you have a party 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:32.160 that is so hell bent on ensuring that a health 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:37.520 pandemic that has killed over six hundred thousand Americans continues. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:46.360 You know, there are so many court cases right now 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:52.040 that are proceeding around the country right school districts suing governors, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:57.839 governors suing school districts, companies, nonprofits suing the Biden administration 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.039 so that they can discriminate a against whoever they want 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:06.720 to discriminate against. I mean, we are in hell right. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.479 Some folks say that it's purgatory. I don't know. I 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.640 know that it ain't fucking good, is what I will say, right. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.279 I know that it's not good when people are looking 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.320 for the ability to harm as many people as possible. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.080 Adam Sewar wrote a book called Cruelty is the point, right, 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.080 and that is obvious right now. But my question is 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.440 why aren't Democrats being so clear to the American people 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.080 about what Republicans are doing. Don't talk to me about 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.120 the ways in which you're going to roll out this 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.280 vaccination program and that vaccination program, and you're going to 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.400 try and win over Americans. We're not there anymore. You're 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.440 not changing hearts and minds in the ways that we 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:53.000 thought that we could ten and fifteen years ago. We 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:59.679 are in tribal cult territory right now, right where people 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.400 are doubling down on their evil. They are doubling down 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.120 on the threats that they are making. You know, in 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.920 my conversation that you'll hear later with our friend doctor 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.200 Jonathan metzol And if Jonathan, what I even noticed in 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.839 this conversation had a different tone than he's had in 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.960 the past. We've tried to find ways to you know, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.400 find levity right, you know, laugh so that you don't cry. Well, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:28.120 Jonathan right now is faced with an impossible situation where 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.360 he is back on his college's campus that has no 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.600 mask mandate rule, back in a state in the South 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:39.560 that does not have any vaccination mandates or mask mandates 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.719 or anything. Half the population, he says, is terrified and 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.480 the other half is fine with being bullies and using 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.039 right their desire to not wear a mask as a 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.520 threat and intimidation. Where have we seen that before, folks, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.960 Where you see these white aggressive folks wanting to double 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.039 down right on their terrorism as a way to show 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.120 their power. You see, what we now know is that 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.360 it's not enough to just you know, hold up Donald 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.800 Trump as you as your savior, right and your fucking God. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.800 It's not enough to just be maga. We're gonna make 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.120 America great again by making everybody else miserable. It's not 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.960 enough to just own the Libs. No, now we are 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.040 moving to a place where we want you dead and 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.720 we want you to know who did it right that 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.560 we are in a place I never in my wildest 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.880 fucking nightmares would I have thought that America, that Republicans 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.640 would have moved into a pro death stance, right, that 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:50.920 their desire to win at any cost would literally be 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:56.920 costing thousands of Americans their lives every single month. Right now, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:02.080 Texas and Florida or the epicenter for COVID nineteen, we're 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.960 talking about seeing numbers, folks, that we have not seen 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.200 since twenty twenty. And we saw those numbers in twenty 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.880 twenty with COVID nineteen and positive infection rates. Why because 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.480 we didn't have a fucking vaccine. We have one now, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.320 And so you would think that after living through so 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:26.120 much loss, so much grief, and so much trauma, that 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:32.040 Americans would be united around this vaccine as a way 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.960 to get back to life as quote unquote normal. But 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:43.200 you see the snake salesman, the snake oil salesman, the 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.800 used car salesman, all of these people, they got them. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.040 They got a hold on them. They got a hold 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.840 on them in such a major way that they would 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:57.000 rather take a horse d Wurmer right then they would 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:02.280 take a vaccine, folks. Coming up next is my conversation 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.000 with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, which is one that 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.640 you want to listen to because what is happening and 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.480 what Jonathan is experiencing on the ground in Tennessee is 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:20.520 just an example of what is transpiring around the country. Folks. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.560 You know that I'm always so grateful when our in 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.160 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying of Whiteness, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:31.120 which apparently we are going to die of, joins woke 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.800 f every single week. Jonathan, you are now joining us 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.400 from Tennessee because you are back to school, like millions 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.920 of other people will be following the Labor Day holiday. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.720 Tell us how things are going in Tennessee. What are 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.640 you seeing, how are you feeling? Give us the rundown. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.000 It's pretty tense here. I have to say. I'm from 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:56.000 my office at Vanderbilt. I'm about to go after we 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.800 speak into a lecture of one hundred and fifty students 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.600 in a lecture hall. I'm doing this on a day 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.640 where I've had multiple student emails this morning of students 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.840 testing positive. I've got some colleagues who are testing positive. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:12.120 And we're in a micro environment where pretty much everybody 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.320 is back and people are for the most playing by 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.200 the rules. But it's just honestly very hard to contain 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:24.640 this thing, and especially given that the infrastructure has not 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.040 been updated. So it's not like there's new air ventilation, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.480 there's new places to walk wide and sidewalks and all 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.719 that kind of stuff, And so Vanderbilt is a it's 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.480 the particular microcosm right now of the difficulties that we're 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.559 seeing at other schools. Duke has had an outbreak. Other 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.320 schools about outbreaks, and the question will be what you know, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.080 what do you think? What do you do about it? Right? 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.360 I mean, I'm a little, to be honest, I'm a 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.520 little nervous about class today. I've got three and ninety 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.720 five's sitting here in front of me. I have to 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.920 decide which one or heck, maybe I'll wear them all 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.920 and so it's it's a tense moment. And the tense 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.680 moment isn't just because of Vanderbilt. It's all so because 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.720 we're in this bigger context here of just out of 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.000 controlness around. And so I mean again, as you know, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.199 I've been in New York this entire time and now 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.079 coming back to Tennessee, it's not just that you feel 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.040 the COVID in the air. I mean, I'm sure that's 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.160 in my mind, but it's more just to be in 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.960 a place where, like, on the average, I mean, half 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.400 the people are scared out of their minds and the 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.080 other half of the people are like doing everything they 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.040 can to like and be intimidating. So I was on 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.040 a flight the other day and one of the people 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.720 next to me brought a huge bag of Doritos and 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.000 they would eat a dorito every like five minutes so 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.880 that they could keep their mask off. And every time 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.080 that flight a tenant would come by and say put 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.720 your mask on, the person was saying like, well, no, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.640 I'm eating and here's my bag of Doritos and stuff 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.120 like that. And so in a way, people are just 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.760 doing everything they can, like being creative, putting thought energy 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.760 into how they can best spread the spread the coronavirus. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.520 And so you know, again like and when it's your 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.720 day to day life, it's it's a little bit different. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.520 I mean, half the people again are scared out of 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.760 their minds and the other half the people are It's funny, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.199 like this is kind of a tandem. But it reminds 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.319 me of the gun issue that I've been studying for 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.360 so long, which is like when people walk around with 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.920 a gun, it's intimidating, it scares other people, and there 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.920 there's a kind of power in that. You know, oh, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.959 I could do anything, you know, that kind of stuff, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.840 And the mask feels the same kind of thing. The 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.560 power of it is is in the threat, it's in 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.439 the intimidation, and so you know, you're kind of you're 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.679 kind of surrounded by by all that stuff right now 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.040 here in the South. You know. I think that that's 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.320 a really important point that you bring up that I 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.720 haven't been thinking about, which is in the power and intimidation, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.439 and that essentially when you go back, you know in history, 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.800 what was the point of the kkks, what was the 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.920 point of lynching? What was a point of all of 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.720 those things, which is to have the ability to terrorize 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.120 the black community, to terrorize a community of people. And 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.480 in this instance, we're talking about these anti matter which 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.520 I'm not even going to call them anti masks anymore. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.480 These this pro death cult that is really interested and 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.480 has this deep desire to spread fear. Right, I have 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.720 the power to kill you and to kill those around you, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:22.840 or to make you severely ill. And you know when 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.040 you say that half of the people that you see 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.480 are scared out of their minds, are those people in 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.520 your assumption they have been vaccinated, but they just feel 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.000 that the threat in the environment that they are living 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.560 in in Tennessee is just so great that they don't 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.360 feel like that is effective. I think about this in 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.000 terms of public health and the engagement with community public health. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.959 Certainly in New York. It's not like everybody's everybody's played 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.079 by the rules. But for the most part, it's kind 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.880 of like driving, like you know people are going to 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.320 stop at the red light, you know people are going 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.160 to go on the green light. You know that they're 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.800 going to stay in their lane for the most part, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.520 and that lets everybody drive safely down the road. And 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.320 here it's like it's just the biggest car goes down 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.800 the middle of the road and everybody else has to 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.199 get out of the right like it. So in a way, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.400 you just you don't feel like your structure. And I 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.640 think about this a lot, right, because you know, on 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.560 one end people probably say, oh, that's freedom and liberty stuff. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.880 It's more anxiety here. I mean, people turn on the news, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.760 they see what's happening with COVID. All the hospitals are full, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.840 all the icy user full, and so I'd rather be 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.960 part of a collaborative effort where people are banding together. Personally, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.680 I'd rather be taking medications that at least have been 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.920 approved by the FDA or tested in some kind of 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.920 modicum way. But I mean it's not like people are crazy. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.800 I would just say, as somebody who studies this, there's 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.040 a bigger ideology, right, which is that not playing by 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.840 the rules reinforces existing power structures, right, And so the 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.600 scary part here is there are so many people here 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.360 who see their power or as contingent on not cooperating. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.000 And that's really when it's the most scary, which is 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.040 not always. I mean, you know, when I'm at work, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.400 I'm okay and stuff like that, But in general, when 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.480 people feel like they're not, you know, I'm going to 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.320 do what I want. Well, that's great if you're in 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.080 a vacuum, but if you're you know, in a communal 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:25.240 situation like a community infection and stuff like that with COVID, 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.120 then really, you know, it's just it's it's just it's 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.280 it's it's an intimidating moment. I would say that, and 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.800 I think that's the point I was reading recently in 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.440 the article in the New York Times this week by 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:43.880 Jamal Bowie, who basically the article is do Republicans want 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.680 COVID nineteen to end? Right? Is this something that they 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.320 want to end? And the premise of the article is no, right, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.880 And he takes us back to the beginning of Obama's 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.680 presidency where Obama was signaling that he wanted to end 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.440 the great political divide, to bring people together to be 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.840 the great uniter, and he needed Republican support in order 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.760 to do so. Republicans refused, right because and then we 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.640 saw what happened during the midterm elections is that their refusal, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.600 their obstructionism, worked in their favor because he lost the Senate, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.480 lost the House. Right, and this same setup is happening 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.800 right now with Biden, except that it is not just about, Oh, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.600 I want to own Obama. I don't want Democrats to 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:33.040 move forward their agenda. The agenda here is about keeping 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.840 Americans safe. The agenda is making sure that Americans don't 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.720 die in mass and Republicans instead are doubling down. And 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.080 you know when I look at the numbers right now, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.120 and you see that Florida is averaging twenty thousand new 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.800 infections a day, two hundred and sixty two deaths a day, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:58.880 more than sixteen thousand people are hospitalized with COVID. In Texas, 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.200 twenty three thousand new cases of COVID a day, fourteen 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.399 thousand or hospitalized, two hundred and forty five deaths. And 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:11.520 my thing, Jonathan, is that we have no change. Democrats 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:16.560 are making no change, a radical shift in their messaging, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.240 which is that instead of us just being pro vaccine, 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.160 pro vaccine, we actually need to be stating very clearly 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.679 to the American people what Republicans are doing right like, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 what they are doing like it is not enough. I 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.639 don't think for Democrats to go around and say, we 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.320 just need to get more Americans vaccinated and we need 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.560 to end this stalemate. We need to talk about their 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.440 pro death agenda is to sacrifice as many Americans as 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.800 possible so they win back power. How do you think 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:51.240 that we shift this messaging because you understand the psychology 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.960 and the ideology and the right wing extremism that we're 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.000 working against right now. But I'm talking about I'm not 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.560 ever in the camp of trying to win these people over. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.320 I think that if you're taking horse d warmer, you 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.600 are not operating in the same planet that the rest 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.520 of us are on. So I'm not about those people, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.600 but I am about the people who are terrified, who 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.159 are trying to keep themselves in their families safe, and 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.639 riling those people up. It's a terrifying moment. It's a 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.159 dangerous moment. I mean, let's just be honest. Biden is 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:28.239 considerably weakend right now because of Afghanistan. Because what he 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.639 was banking his presidency on, which was vaccines, revving up 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.439 the economy and everybody going back, didn't turn out to 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.480 be because of the Delta variant, which is it's just 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.399 a game changer. As we've said on the show a million, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.520 it's an entirely different pathogen. It's a different virus, in 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.040 a particular way, and so and so it puts the 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:54.439 Democrats in a particularly vulnerable position. And I mean, I'm 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.919 no strategist, but I would say two things, having worked 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.480 on the last election. One is honestly a bit of frustration, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.720 a little bit honestly, because the Democrats learned how to 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.880 win the election. The Democrats won the election, and they 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.520 did so in a pretty strategic way, right. They created 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.520 a big base, they were great about messaging. They had 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.000 like it or not ally that learned how to like 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.040 stick it to the other side. But it wasn't so 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.639 much the exact issue. It was about getting out in 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.639 front of the issue and making the other side respond 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.119 to the message that it's your message. And the minute 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.040 the Democrats won the election, they stopped doing all that stuff. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.000 It's kind of like, oh, we won the election. Now 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.960 people are going to come back to our senses. And so, 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.600 whether or not you agree with the Lincoln Project, I 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.639 realize a lot of people didn't. The methods that groups 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.400 like that were using was basically, here's how you crapp 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.639 the narrative and make the other side respond to you. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.760 And the Democrats forgot how to do that. Right, all 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.080 of a sudden, they're on their heels. Everything is a response. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.680 Everything is playing defense all the time, which is what's 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.600 gotten Democrats in trouble all the time. And so again 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.560 message aside like rehire the Lincoln Project and people who 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.040 do and do that and make it coherent and go 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.080 on the offensive because every single thing that ever I 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:21.320 was playing defense against everything. That is it for Today's 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.560 Woke a f daily podcast. To hear more from today's show, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:28.399 including my full interview with doctor Jonathan Mexel. Support me 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.320 on Patreon at patreon dot com. Slash woke AF Power 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.880 to the people and to all the people power, get 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:36.600 woke and stay woke as fuck.