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Speaker 1: Radio Radio, Radio Commies, a Myth and Bullshit, a radio

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Speaker 1: phonic novella Local Radio hosted by Malamo. Hello, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to local radio. This is the FM and this is Malamos.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in once again to Brown Girl

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Speaker 1: Our Yes, local radio is where we celebrate the brilliance

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Speaker 1: and legacies of women and fems of color. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in yet again. This is Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a big deal. It's a big deal. The name of

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Speaker 1: this is Cheese and we have a really special guest

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Speaker 1: which will be introducing in a little bit. We're so excited.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited, especially because I don't know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: some of you have noticed that we probably we haven't

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Speaker 1: released an episode in about a month now. We have

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Speaker 1: had a journey. All of everything the universe hasn't working

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Speaker 1: against us. Sound studio, things retrograded now, you know, in processes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much for being patient for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: That'll tell you more about it, tell you more about

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Speaker 1: the journey to get here. A mini milestone for us.

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Speaker 1: And we have some other milestones that we've experienced recently,

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Speaker 1: some really exciting announcements. Yes, so recently we were asked

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Speaker 1: remesqu La. So they had a storytelling um Facebook Life

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Speaker 1: series and they asked to be a part of it,

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Speaker 1: and Mama represented us. So do you want to talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the video experience. It was so

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Speaker 1: much fun. So LIKESCLA and the Philadelphia Latino Film Festival

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Speaker 1: installment of their Facebook Live talks and it was all

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Speaker 1: about like storytelling as resistance and as a tool for organizing.

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Speaker 1: So it was really fun and I skyped in and

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Speaker 1: we talked about storytelling as resistance. So shout out to

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Speaker 1: Rasa and to the Philadelphia Film Festival, UM, to Latino Victory,

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Speaker 1: to Andrea and everybody who was a part of it.

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Speaker 1: It was really fun. It was cool. Yeah. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't able to be a part of it because

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Speaker 1: was really amazing. I tried, girl. And then because of that,

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Speaker 1: there was actually a write up feature article on Glass.

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Speaker 1: So shout out to Yarra Simon for that, for writing it,

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Speaker 1: for writing it. Yeah, so it's around. It's on clans

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, our Instagram, you know, so if you want

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Speaker 1: then we had a feature in Latina Mag online. Our

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Speaker 1: friend Raquel, Raquel Richard, she's an editor at Latina Mag

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Speaker 1: and so she wrote this really amazing, beautiful feature about

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Speaker 1: the podcast, about the program, so check it out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Um. Yeah, I just get so excited and

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Speaker 1: happy when I think about think about it, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I was doing a lot of really great work

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Speaker 1: then we have a conference coming up. We will be

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Speaker 1: participating in a conference at Pasadena City College April twenty

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Speaker 1: twonds called it is for Young Girls, Young latin US

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Speaker 1: excited to be presenting fem Tech. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that. We're gonna present

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Speaker 1: our fem Tech Workshop, but this time we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking a lot more about like other creators, other thinkers,

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Speaker 1: What show was it? The Peralta Project show? Yes, the

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Speaker 1: And then finally shout out congratulations. Mala has her very

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Speaker 1: first article on the Huffington's Post blog site. I'm so

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Speaker 1: So my first blog entry I posted today and it's

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Speaker 1: and I discussed Denim Day, sexual Assault Awareness Month. April

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Speaker 1: love im? Hello? Hello? Yeah? Ok ahead, thankhead out for us.

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Speaker 1: He's calling that, he's calling in. Introduce yourself calling in

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Speaker 1: Like um again, like that cheese mat how does negative connotations? Right? Um?

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Speaker 1: existent books. So she's like documenting her existence on Twitter

425
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: and on all her platforms, right. Yeah. And a lot

426
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: of us come from families and areas and regions and

427
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: villages and tribes and communities where maybe a lot of

428
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: our ancestors did not have birth certificates, like our birds

429
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: existence were not documented in the same ways, right, So

430
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: like we could talk about if we go on ancestry

431
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: dot com, how far back are they really able to

432
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: go our grandparents, our parents, Yeah, because I know that

433
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: my dad's grandparents they did not have bird certificates, and

434
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have their their own original names because whatever,

435
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: like you know, basically Rancho that you were working for,

436
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: if you were an Indian and Indigenous person, it was

437
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: not uncommon for you to be given the last name

438
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: of the rancho because working on that ranch. Right, So

439
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: how far back can we really go when we don't

440
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: have our real names, right, when we don't have birth

441
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: certificates in those documents? Yes, this though, um talk with

442
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: you all before about how like, um, my mother's birthday

443
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: on record, it's not like actual real birthday, right, this

444
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: is a perfect example. Yes, um, okay, So my mother

445
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: was born in a pueblo where like back in the day, right,

446
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: you're like, Catholicism was such that it imposed certain rules

447
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: on women where they couldn't register their own children, right,

448
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: so the husbands had to do it, or the man

449
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: and the family had to do They have to go

450
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: and claim a child that's their own in order for

451
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: them to be valid, right, in order for them to

452
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: have a registrate, and to have to rely on men

453
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 1: for like to do a stage one, step one of

454
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: your life to register you like step one and to

455
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: have that be relying on a man is so stressful.

456
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: Can I just say, like side real quick, my father

457
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: fucked up my birth certificate because he was in charge

458
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: of that. So yes, we could cry make them episode

459
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: about fathers and birth certificates and claiming kids and not

460
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: claiming kids and lying about having kids. I we will

461
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: say that for our next So back to the men.

462
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Tell us, M sorry, I was taking a step. Okay, So,

463
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: like my mother was born in July, right, she's a

464
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: leg um. But because the rules were such that, like

465
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: your dad had to register you, she wasn't registered until

466
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: late September because my grandfather born. So when she was born,

467
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: he went like in a drinking bit, like hollidays, right,

468
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: and when he finally came to it was already way

469
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: past that month. And why was it? Can you tell

470
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: us again? Why was it that he was so upset

471
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: when she was born because she was a girl and

472
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: not a boy. He wanted a boy, so he felt

473
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: up her ship and she was a girl. So on

474
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: record was she's a virgo? Excuse me? So on record

475
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: she's a virgo? Huh yeah, unfortunately, but she's really a leal,

476
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: which is what matters. And I think it's when I

477
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: get along with Leo's um. So yeah, so she wasn't

478
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: registered until like September, so I wouldn't know my mom's

479
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: actual birthday if it wasn't for cheese may right, more right,

480
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Because of records of Mexico, which is a nation state, right, um,

481
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, which is like an ultimate form of a colony, right,

482
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: because their records show that my mother was born in

483
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: a different day. Yeah, so yeah, you know my so

484
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: my government name and not my performance name. You know,

485
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Ariana right, and my Tokaya, Myawella my dad's side. When

486
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: she immigrated here in the nineties, Um, when she was,

487
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, doing her immigration stuff, when the person was

488
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: that was doing her paperwork heard her name, thought she

489
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: said Adrianna. So there's a D in her name, like

490
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 1: in her her documents here, Um there's a D. So

491
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: she's not even like by her right name. And she

492
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: was so afraid to correct him that she's like so

493
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: here she she was living as Adriana and Arianna you know,

494
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: shout out my Alita giscontin bus but yeah, you know,

495
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: like and I wouldn't have known that had my family

496
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: not told me because and my dad's family, my dad's

497
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: side of the family, my dad's grandfather, so my great

498
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: grandfather and they're Yuckyans are from Chihuahua, And it was

499
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: kind of a running joke in the family, and my

500
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: dad would joke that every year they would have a

501
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: birthday party for Grandpa for great grandpa. But he was like, yeah, well,

502
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: we don't really know how old he is. He's had

503
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: his birthdays five times. You know, they just are guessing

504
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: and how old he is. And it's that kind of

505
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: thing that it's like you want us or we should

506
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: as people be able to have all this knowledge about ourselves,

507
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: but sometimes we don't even know how old we are

508
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: basically ship you know, but because of structures and history

509
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: and oppression and colonization all of it. Yes, Because again,

510
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: like like our parents a lot of the times, like

511
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: when they come to the U s Or they you know,

512
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: where they immigrate, they like homie, and like my mother

513
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't carry her paper, like her doc meentation across the border, right,

514
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: like um, a lot of our parents didn't, right, So

515
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: like you're like she couldn't bring her documentation be like, oh,

516
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: my name is actually Adriana, right right, she probably didn't

517
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: have it, and if she did have it, like it

518
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: would probably put her in danger. Yeah, there was a

519
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: power dynamic evidently, you know, she was afraid that this

520
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: person wasn't going to let her enter the US because

521
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: she corrected him because he like didn't understand her name.

522
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: You know, my little like a four eleven Alita, you

523
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: know yeah yeah from THRUO shout out anyone if you're listening. Yeah,

524
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, like going back, like I wouldn't have known

525
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: that had my family not told me cheese man, right,

526
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: and like cheese mate can be like not only like

527
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: a form of like documentation, but like also like a

528
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: form of preservation, right, and so many ways right one

529
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: of the first like again like as a brown fem

530
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: of course, I've been like hurt by cheeseman, right, like

531
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: I like, even though I'm someone who kept hide there

532
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: their identity, right, like I am very I mean, y'all

533
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: see me move like I know however I want to

534
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: move right, It is wonderful and I occupy a very

535
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: fem space right there that will never pass as what

536
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: people think of as like a man quote unquote right.

537
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: And so treatment has been used to like hurt me, right,

538
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: because people have always in these negative implications of queerness,

539
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: right and feminity. And so it was it was in

540
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: college when I found ways in which cheestement um was

541
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: like with was my clothes group of friends that they

542
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: were that they outlined it to me and brought it

543
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: to light as something positive, right, because when we go

544
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: into the predominantly white spaces, right, we often don't have

545
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: a safety net or anything, right unless we connect other

546
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: people of color, black people of color. Right. Yeah, oh

547
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: my god, there's just and what you just said, there's

548
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: so much. There's so much to unpack and to talk about.

549
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: We should do, like a future like as a queer

550
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: or fhem or brown person studying at the university, like

551
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: what you have to do to survive. That could be

552
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: really great for our younger listeners that are listening folks

553
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: that are like our non traditional students that maybe like

554
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: pursuing something in the future. Yeah, yes, I mean we've

555
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: talked about this about being this part one right, yes,

556
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: so bookmark this idea. There's a lot of ideas. You know.

557
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: You know what I love because the achievement when it happens,

558
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: it's a moment. There's nothing I love more then because

559
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: you can tell when the cheese was about to happen.

560
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: There's nothing I love more than when my mother comes

561
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 1: to me in a in a hushed whisper and listen, yeah,

562
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I told you this, you know. Oh yeah, I'm ready

563
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: for it. I'm like, okay, let's go. When you grab

564
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: a seat, let me pour a glass of wine. I'm ready.

565
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: You know it's about to happen. Yeah, you know, let

566
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: me paint a picture for y'all because I feel like

567
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: my between my mother and I are cheese mess sesh.

568
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Like is while I'm at my vanity and I'm getting

569
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: ready for work. So she comes in and she's like, Sam, okay, Arianna,

570
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: let's have a word. And then she starts telling me

571
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: the third person, Yes, I did, Yes, I did once

572
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: in a while sometimes anyway, So that is my like

573
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: that is when we have our little cheese mess sage

574
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know what your boppy did? You

575
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: know what he did? You know what I heard? And

576
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm like tell me, tell me right exactly. It's a moment,

577
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: and it's like when it's about to happen, there's like

578
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: signals there are exciting yes, yes, oh my god, there's

579
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: signals to cheese man, because like girl like and here's

580
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: what the big this is where like a big thing comes. Right,

581
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: there's a difference between like cheese mat and again we're

582
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna talk about like being in a teacher right, like yeah,

583
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's get into it. So like this

584
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: is different when somebody's coming to you with some like

585
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: juicy cheese man that you know it's gonna be like,

586
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. And there are sometimes when cheese

587
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: mat is bad and that's when somebody's being in my

588
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: teacher right, So my teachers someone who like cemented look right,

589
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: like things that don't matter to them. Right. So my

590
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: cheese met thread on Twitter, um gets past like it

591
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: gets retweeted a lot. Something that's one of my most

592
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: like um like um my my my tweets as the

593
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: most longevity. Right. I tweeted it, I formed it in

594
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: like October, and to the day, I still get comments

595
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: on it. That's the thread that made me fall in

596
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: love with you. It's snatched me and I've been hooked

597
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: ever since. Yeah. So like that often gets really positive

598
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: like feedback, or it gets completely stolen by somebody else

599
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: whatever really bad like feedback. Right, I've had people bash

600
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: the try to come for me right for it, right,

601
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's like things such as like people are

602
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: like remember that, like u F word, I mean afford

603
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: who try to politicize cheese may or remember that. And

604
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: let's be clear, these are fellow Latino X community. These

605
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: are probably Latino man, Latin X folks, latinos. Yes, well

606
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: it's actually a combination of like, okay, so a lot

607
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: of so yeah, the majority of them are like, aren't

608
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Latin ohs? Sometimes a get like Latin excess coming from

609
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: me to right people? Right? Um? And so people confused

610
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: being a cheese most so she's most she's most ex

611
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: which being a mid teacher, right, that makes sense. That

612
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: makes sense. Being a cheese mosul with a chiefs most

613
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: sexes one another requires a certain level of trust because

614
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: we can talk about the fact that when you share

615
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: cheesement you have particular people that you share it with.

616
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: It's not everybody. You know who you can trust, and

617
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: you know who you can talk to and who you can't.

618
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: There's logic behind it, yes, And that's a ship that

619
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: people miss. Is like fucking Nuance nance. It's very important.

620
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, something I even have io. Right, It's

621
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: like Nuance, it's so important. Uh right, not all cheese mans, Yeah,

622
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: biggest teach that we know of. Um. People say that,

623
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: like all right, but jesus, how political. Right, So we're

624
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: going to look at it too, right, So when we

625
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: think about like unethical cheeseman, right, when we think about

626
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: my chas, we must think about the government rights fu right,

627
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: the saying shit, they're looking at our records, like looking

628
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: at doesn't listening in on our conversations, probably listening right now,

629
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: TV listening right the funk now say what right and

630
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: so and so because all these things get recorded, right.

631
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Cheese has been used in very political ways to write. So,

632
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: like when we think about like Nixon and Deep Throw,

633
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: right if if you yeah we uh so? Basically deep

634
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: throw was like, uh someone who was you know, inside

635
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: of Nixon's administration, right, who spilled like the cheese man

636
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: who spilled the t Yeah, that's Nixon was doing right

637
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: in order to bring down the US whoever whoever slipped

638
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: over those Trump tax returns. That was classic classic. That's

639
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: the same as a sending a screenshot, you know, yeah

640
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah. So like in these ways, like cheeseman

641
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: is very political, right, wiki leaks so political? Cheese man, yes, political,

642
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: cheeseman absolutely. And I had like a whole fucking as

643
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: second write about like the way that wiki leaks came

644
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: around and who was who was ultimately persecuted? Right, because

645
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: who was persecuted for that ship? Oh does the transgender

646
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: woman who ended up being put in a men's prison

647
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: because of the league fallout. And where is Snowden? Where

648
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: a man Edward Snowden did not read the bad repercussion ERG. No, No,

649
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: it's really it really is very incredible, And we can

650
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: talk of we can point out the fact that when

651
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the United States government engages in myth or she's most

652
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: so shit, it's labeled literally as intelligence. It's literally called intelligence,

653
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: bitch intelligence. Yes, And that comes down to like how

654
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: cheeseman is gender, Yes, yes, because yes, let him a head,

655
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: let him head, let a bit engage in some gossip.

656
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: She's most privilegedgen more. Absolutely right. Um, sorry, I just

657
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: thought that we were all talking to over each other.

658
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: Remember this joke about like how podcasts are often like

659
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: millennials talking over each other. Oh my god, I love it. No,

660
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, would it be like that sometimes when the

661
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: cheesem is that good, y'all are talking over each other.

662
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: But there's this thing about like talking over each other

663
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: even when you're cheating me, you can then we're still

664
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: listening to. Also, I feel like this is a very

665
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: Latin American thing because in the US, like when you

666
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: speak English, like you it's like a weight in response. Right, No,

667
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: in America, you are all having like five different conversations

668
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: at the same table and everyone was listening. She's you know,

669
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: when I noticed that white people really do speak differently

670
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: and have a whole different speaking structure than Latinos than

671
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: we do when the what no, no, not, then that's

672
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: not when it happened a different time, another different time.

673
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: So no, Like, okay, A, I went to a predominantly

674
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: Latino and Filipino elementary and middle school, and then when

675
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: I went to high school, I went to a predominantly

676
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: white high school, and I noticed right away that A

677
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: the way people dressed was extremely different. I was like,

678
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: why is everyone barefoot? Basically that was me when I

679
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: went to UC Santa Barbara. Yeah, I was like, how

680
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: come no one was clothes at school? Like it was strange.

681
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: It was different for me. I was like, they don't

682
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: do their hair, they don't put makeup on, and they

683
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: don't even wear shoes. Yes, they don't wear shoes. Go ahead, Ruben, Yeah,

684
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: that's the same ship. When I went to UC David's, right,

685
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: it was all these like you know, these white people

686
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: who literally try to pretend they were poor, but they

687
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: were so like the thing about like whiteness, like people

688
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: don't judge you on the way you look as much

689
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: as the judge or femininity or femininity when old femininity

690
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: and so not only did I notice that expression in

691
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: general was different for white people. And I noticed this

692
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, right, and I went to this

693
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: white high school. So expression in general is different for

694
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: white people, so not only how they dress and the

695
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: way that they carry themselves, but the way that they speak. Right,

696
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: And I noticed in high school and when I went

697
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: to college and I joined the Senate, that there was

698
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: this emphasis on rules and regulations when it came to

699
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: discussion and debate like this Lincoln Douglas style debate, and

700
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: where there's rules and like convention, and when one person speaks,

701
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: other people cannot chime in no matter what that person

702
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: is saying, right, the form matters more than the contents

703
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: that goes with that whole, Like well, everybody's entitles an opinion,

704
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: even if it's hateful, even if it's demeaning to people

705
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: of color, Like rebuttals, even where rebuttals, even rebuttals are

706
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: like regulated, so you can only respond a certain number

707
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: of times, and if you adhere to certain protocol and

708
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be in government like debate settings.

709
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: It was so strange to me, and I could not

710
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: do student government for more than a year. And it

711
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the restrictions on the

712
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: way that we spoke. I couldn't stand it because I

713
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: had the same way for all these dumbass like sucking

714
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: oh my, just so so out of touch, just so

715
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: tone deaf, just so in every way ignorant, like all

716
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: these people like saying all this horrible ship and you're

717
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: literally not allowed to respond, you know. Okay, yeah, okay.

718
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: So I brought up like white man because that's how

719
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I came into like how white people communicate, and it's

720
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: just like it's very much like no, like this right, yeah,

721
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: like they no matter what the funk the other one

722
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: is saying, like they're not accustomed to shut shutting people down.

723
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Back is not strong, they don't do it. It's like

724
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: it's like there's this essay that I've wad in college,

725
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: but it's like about like the language of whiteness and

726
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: how like everybody's polite and everybody's saying somebody without saying anything, yes, right,

727
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: and then here we come, Yeah, here we come, ye,

728
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: which brings us back to how people say, like you

729
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: sound white or whatever, right, the quote unquote polite. Right, Well,

730
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: we are necessarily polite, Like we just learned to like

731
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: navigate white space exactly. The code switching, the code switching

732
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: that's to happen, and it's so layered for for folks.

733
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: I feel like us Latino folks, Latin X folks, chic xes,

734
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: because not only do we navigate like cold twitching in

735
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: like the class sense, but also like language wise, like

736
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: English wise. Yeah no, yeah, it's so interesting, it really is. Yeah.

737
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: So that brings me to like existing in like one

738
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: of the biggest predominantly white spaces in college, right like

739
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: you yeah, you like that the last sentence. Can you

740
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: repeat it because you cut out a little bit. Yeah,

741
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: so alledge a lot of times you don't know what

742
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: actually spaces are, right right, Like there's like Latin Next centers,

743
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: but oftentimes they're not actually safe, right And there's like

744
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: a Latin Next Chica studying department that it is not

745
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: necessarily saying so we can talk about cheese men and survivors, yes, okay,

746
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: the community and safety planning and disposability and accountability This

747
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: is such a good transition, like talking about the university

748
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: and like Chicano Chicken X Latino Latino X spaces and

749
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: how they're supposedly safe, but really a lot of these

750
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: men in our departments are predators, predators users. Our communities

751
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: protect them, have multiple, multiple rape allegations against them from students.

752
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: But they're they're on their tenure. You know, they've done

753
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: so much, they give so much funding comes to the

754
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: department because of them. So let's not touch them, let's

755
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: protect them as opposed to these vulnerable students. So, but

756
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: how do we learn to not take their classes through

757
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: chiefsmen right through a down as t a through a

758
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: grad student, as somebody else, an older student that took

759
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: them in a don't careful, don't take this class, don't

760
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: be alone with this person, or don't mess with this

761
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: activists exactly. Yeah, yeah, I think, oh, like as someone

762
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: who's a survivor or someone in like who like activists, right, um,

763
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: like coming out about like my rapists, like it's not

764
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna it has historically not led to survivors being believed

765
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: to be persecuted. Right, as we know, as we know

766
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: in the United States, as we know it's statistical, it's factual,

767
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: and this is information. And this is why it pisces

768
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: me off when like Latino men, when men of color

769
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: come at us with this very eurocentric demand of show

770
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: me evidence. They want the science, they want the science. Well,

771
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: the thing is And it's funny though, because when it

772
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: comes to violence against women and fems, the information is

773
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: out there. Even the Department of Justice collects this information

774
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: the city's, state and federal level. Like, we know that

775
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: the number one threat to women and firms who our

776
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: safeties and our livelihoods are men. That's what we know.

777
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: That's what we know. You know, you could literally go

778
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: on the d J website and see it plainly written

779
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: now and it's been acknowledged, and this information has been

780
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: collected for years, but there's still this cognitive dissonance and

781
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: like unwillingness to acknowledge you know, yeah, absolutely, um, And

782
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: like accountability like what accountability right? Right, it doesn't it

783
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: doesn't exist specifically in activist spaces, right, because who do

784
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: we gather to protect? Like we don't gather to protect women,

785
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: like we gather to protect men, right and defite man

786
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: but not limited to sist man. Anyone who ticks the

787
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: ideal of mannerhood, masculine masculinity, and so that leads us

788
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: to a discussion of right of right like disposability, which

789
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: we begin to notice and we begin to see, at

790
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: least you know, I do because of the work that

791
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I do with Ripe Crisis and working with survivors, we

792
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: begin to see this, this ongoing trend of we bring

793
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: up this idea that people are not disposable. But we

794
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: bring up this idea generally when it comes to protecting

795
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: a known abuser or a known perpetrators position in the community.

796
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: We only talk about disposability when we're trying to keep

797
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: abusers exactly where they're at and not changing their access,

798
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: or their position, or their power. I have never, in

799
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: an activist space, in a Latin X in a brown

800
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: black space, heard anybody say, because women and children and

801
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: survivors are not disposable, we will take disclosure seriously, and

802
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: we will take safety for women and children and fems

803
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: and survivors seriously, so we will separate you know, perpetrators

804
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: from community for at least a time, or we will

805
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: take steps. I've never heard that. I have only heard

806
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: people aren't disposable. So such and such added, abuser should

807
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: be allowed to have all of the space at the

808
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: art exhibitions, at the talks, at the conferences, at the performances.

809
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: We're not going to change anything about their access to

810
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: the community based on what we know about this. You know,

811
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: who gives the funk about the survivor? Who gives And

812
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: this is why like cheeseman comes into play because we

813
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: know the system it ain't here for us, right. We

814
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: know no one's going to protect us, specifically our survivors.

815
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: So how do we protect one another? We spread that

816
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: ethical cheesemay, right, Um, we protect We're like, hey, homie,

817
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: don't hung out with this person, don't don't like this

818
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: is what happened. We don't just say it to everybody.

819
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: We say it to people who we trust and who

820
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: we want to protect. Right Because the part of ethical

821
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: chreestment is million power dynamics. Right, Because who are you

822
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: protecting and who are you exposing? Right? If if the

823
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: cheeseman is ethical and the intention to protect and inform,

824
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: then you would not be exposing or outing a vulnerable individual.

825
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: You would be exposing and outing power and a hierarchy

826
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: and imbalance and violence. Right. Absolutely, So someone recently, like

827
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, my cheese mat threat is like constantly

828
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: like circulating, right, um, And somebody recently came to me

829
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: was like some sh it about like, well, fuck you

830
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: cheese man, is what had my hope? Peblo demonized my

831
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: mother for remarried, right, And I'm just like, no, ho mean,

832
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: that's like being a that's being and that's spreading an

833
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: ethical cheeseman. Because in our in our culture, right, women

834
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: who remarry or get divorced, of women who do anything

835
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: outside of the door get demonizes, right, So her pueblo

836
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 1: was being helmet dechas what then do they care that

837
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: that somebody's parents don't married. I feel like that goes

838
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: back to not actually cheeseman, but actually protecting masculine And

839
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: because because who who is she like wronging by remarrying

840
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: exactly the man that the former partners, the first husband

841
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: and his family. Yep, yes, absolutely, because men are never

842
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: freaking like demon And because if we're thinking about if

843
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: this was a woman in Latin America, right, and who

844
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: knows what decade, what year, right, what other economic options

845
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: did she have for survival besides Mary? But she want

846
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: to demonize the fact that she got remarried so she

847
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: can eat and have a place to live. So she's

848
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: wrong because the circumstances forced that type of interaction. That's

849
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: victim blaming. Oh my god, funk yes, Um, So that

850
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: brings me back to like something that like something else's

851
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: medals Um wrote one time, and I'm just like a

852
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: mad but she was basically like how in Latin X

853
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: connects cultures like women and queer and trying folks are

854
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: united um by the fact that they're off. Women specifically

855
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: women who um are open about their sexuality are demonized

856
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: in ways that parallel queer trans folks right, Like we

857
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: all we all get kicked out of our house right

858
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: right because we we decided to be open about you know,

859
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: our desires or who we are we are, right yeah,

860
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: And you know, something that we talked about in the

861
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: second recording of the same trilogy is trilogy Um is

862
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: the importance of chosen family. And for queer folks especially

863
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: like chosen family like is extremely important. It's extremely vital

864
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: to to our survival as queer folks, transfolks, fams. You know,

865
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: like I shared about how my brothers want to give

866
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: me ship because they're like, you're always with your friends.

867
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: You never come and see us, you know, but these

868
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: straight men will never understand the importance of being seen

869
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: by queer folks, you know, by your chosen family. So

870
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: you know the fact that we're able to we have

871
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: to create these separate families because our blood relatives are

872
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: blood family. Like, they don't see us, they don't respect us,

873
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: they love us. The institution of the nuclear family is

874
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: designed to affirm the cist man exactly in that in

875
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: that traditional model of absolutely only, he is a firmly yes,

876
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: that's just that's a home. Like you know, families, family

877
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: got to forgive each other. No, actually, your family could

878
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: be the most toxic, the most toxic thing that you

879
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: ever encounter, experience, have to survive, absolutely, right. So, like,

880
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: not only do we build these other families, but oftentimes

881
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: we build entire languages separate from a family. I'm thinking

882
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: specifically of queer and trans people of color, right, and

883
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: the ball scene, right, and we developed like shade and

884
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: reading right and all these types of things that like

885
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: just had populations wouldn't understand. Right, Yeah, specifically for me,

886
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: right when I when I was a little queer brown

887
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: kid um and I was looking for ways to survive

888
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: like my oppressive like like not only like my family situation,

889
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: but like my community. I found outlets, right, and I

890
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: found them through cheese Man. Right. You couldn't. You couldn't

891
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: promote like come over here like closet a kid. Right.

892
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a safe space, right because the people would know

893
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: about it, and then people who are trying to hurt

894
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: queer in terms people of color would come and infiltrate it. Right,

895
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,479
Speaker 1: So you have to be like you have to be

896
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: you have to be a cheese she's most so she's

897
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: most sex about it. Otherwise it's for our safety, right,

898
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: So Che's Man oftentimes is used to protect queer in

899
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: terms people. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think that that is

900
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: a good transition into the song that you that you

901
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: brought today, right because there's like the language of it,

902
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: you know. Then I think we can tie into what

903
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, so this is I guess are

904
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: we're exiting? Uh so, I just before I go into

905
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: the song, I wanted to bring up like um again

906
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter and g um Facebook as queer

907
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: tickin on Treese Man. If you have a store art

908
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: to sell, use the hashtag to x C I G

909
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: and I'll find you and I'll promote your art on

910
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: my platforms and your shop. Uh. If you are reading

911
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: UM America Chavis Um, which is a comic book by um,

912
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: a queer Latino writer Rivera for Marvel, Um, use the

913
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: hashtag make mine Javis, and I'll also promote you on Yeah,

914
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: just because I feel like we should promote um queer

915
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: and fans people of color who are doing a damn thing.

916
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: I have a question about that because I would like

917
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: to read this comic book. But where does one buy it?

918
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: Where does one buy this comic? Um? You can buy

919
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: it online or I don't at your local comic book shop. Okay,

920
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: I will look. Yeah that's Oh, that's a whole other

921
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: I can talk about, like comic book shops and how

922
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: they were safety for like a little queer fan. There's

923
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: a comic book shop I know in Southeast l A

924
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: which you um where y'all preside? Um. The nearest one

925
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: I think is in Bell Gardens, which is why because

926
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: I grew up in Southeast A show send me the

927
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: info separate from comics. It was. It was owned by

928
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: a queer woman back in the day. Yeah, that was

929
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: definitely my sanctuary. But again, um, if you're reading America,

930
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: use the hashtag make my job as um. That's support

931
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: queen and trains people of color like in mainstream media. Um. Yes,

932
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: and you have a song, another song for us, so

933
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: we're about to Yeah, let's we can you know, we

934
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: don't have to put a song right away. We can

935
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: have a discussion about the Wonga. It's important. He is very,

936
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: very important to our communities. And I feel like the

937
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: discussion about code switching a new languages right is really

938
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: important when discussing Wanga in this upcoming song. Yes, yeah,

939
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: so there's so much to impact with Wanga. Um. I

940
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: consider him the patron saint of sissy brown boys, right um,

941
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: because honestly, growing up like he's all I had, Like

942
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I did not have anyone else tell me that I

943
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: can grow into an old age as like someone who

944
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: is not only queer but also like sissy, right, like

945
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: masculine in any like like stretch of the imagination. Right. Um.

946
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: So when he passed away, there was a lot of

947
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: um talk about how he's not really queer, right um.

948
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: And that's because Kuanga existed in this like intersection of

949
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: cheese man and queerness, right Um. He was never like

950
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: openly out about it, right. Um, you had to decipher

951
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: what he was saying, what he was thinking about UM

952
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: and how he existed in this world. Right. Um. So

953
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: when one of the biggest place things people site when

954
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: speaking of Kwanga's um, sexuality, UM and gender was his

955
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: quote like, right, you know is in question? Right? And

956
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: he was, And that was basically him asking not only um.

957
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: It was like it was like there was a dissonance. Right.

958
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't only him asking people to stop cheese man,

959
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: it was also asking people to assume things about him. Right.

960
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: It was an invitation in some ways as well. Response yes,

961
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: absolutely right. So when he you know, when he passed away,

962
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people I wrote like one

963
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: of another one of my popular threats on Huanga right

964
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: when we had to experience double trauma as queer brown

965
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: folks quere Latin nexus queer after Latin nexus queer black folks,

966
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: right as not only where like when posts happened, people

967
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: were reporting on it like this was this was an

968
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: ALGBT tragedy or this was this was Latin X tragedy. No,

969
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: like very few outlets initially were reporting on it as

970
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: both in Yeah, so when if Fuanga passed away, it

971
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: was the same thing. And so again LGBT Latin Exus

972
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: after Latin Nexus, we had to like fight to like

973
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: be like no, this, this is important to us, right.

974
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: And that was again because like Huanga never cemented his

975
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: identity as queer because he didn't he wanted to exist

976
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: as a lad as something. And and like one of

977
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: the things that we forget is that legends are cheessment, right,

978
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so true. Newes legends exists because

979
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: we passed it down verbally, right, despite like you can

980
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: read a whole fucking Wikipedia article on funga, but it

981
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: don't means ship if you don't have like a whole

982
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: as background and somebody pushing significance to Yeah. And it

983
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: is really interesting that that like a lot of you know,

984
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: Latin x is Mexicano che chicken x Is wanted to

985
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: have a sort of ownership over him by denying that

986
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: he was queer. Yeah, which you know we talked about

987
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: in the last copy. Dittle, I don't know in this

988
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: copy did, but the last recording is like it's still

989
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: just another way for folks to claim to want to

990
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: own to want to dictate ownership possess a senbody. You know,

991
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: he was a very h a queer person, you know,

992
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: and the fact that even after his controlling, even after

993
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: his death, they want to they want to own him, right,

994
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: these these men, I mean you said in particular that

995
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: there were folks in your mentions being like, no, stop it,

996
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: like he was not gay, right, Yes, um, because if

997
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: he's not queer, if he's not fan, then all those tears,

998
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: those his hiss head man crying to his songs will

999
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: be validated because everybody cried to hunta everybody. Uh but yeah,

1000
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: So getting into the song um, It's Noah by Huang Gariel,

1001
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: and in it he says mama right. And the term

1002
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: the ambiente, which was used by a lot of gay

1003
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: men in the nineties specifically um to signify that somebody

1004
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: was queer or gay right. And it does not be

1005
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: thing right. I said, like that guy is down right,

1006
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: which means that guy was queer. Right. And if we

1007
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: want to look at Huanga as specifically like as a

1008
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: queer subject, right, we can look at his lyrics. Right,

1009
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: people are people are often like well, he often sang

1010
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: to feminine pronouns right to get either right, yeah, right,

1011
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: but we look at the language that like people Latin

1012
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: exus queer Latin xus used specifically gay queer men, right,

1013
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: We often use like um feminine pronouns, right, like a

1014
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: yeah four other queer men right, or other fans right.

1015
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: So ultimately we can if we take that lend to

1016
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: um Huanga's music, we can he was like doing like

1017
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: the ultimate like fem for fem like you know Manifesto

1018
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: right music that right, he was sinking and crying and

1019
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: proclaiming his love to other fans. And I think that's

1020
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful in this world really, and

1021
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: that's why he is so important to me. And you

1022
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: know what's interesting is it seems like you know, celebrities,

1023
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: people in the public eye, unethical or negative cheeseman like

1024
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: gets spilled about them all the time, right, Like, celebrities

1025
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: get their most intimate stuff exposed quite often, and it

1026
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: often has a lot to do with like who they

1027
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: hang out with. Correct me if I'm wrong, But I

1028
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: feel like Kwanga did not have that type of experience

1029
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: with lots of negative receipts and negative cheeseman and people

1030
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: were not trying to expose him. He was sharing his

1031
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: cheesement with trusted people who did not expose him, right,

1032
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: and even even his late wife, his partner that he

1033
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: was married to, that had she had children with, Like,

1034
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure she knew everything, but did she like say

1035
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: any of the you know, did she spill any like

1036
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: thee spill the free Holian. No she did not, you know,

1037
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: she was like we were friends. He was my you know,

1038
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: my husband. We had these children, my partner. Yeah, exactly,

1039
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think what Mama says, it's true, Like, no,

1040
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: he he knew who he was spelling or who he

1041
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: was telling the cheese man too. Yeah, yeah, shout out.

1042
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: He's from seats, which is where my my mom is from. Right. Yeah.

1043
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: And in the last second recording of this, I shared

1044
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: how she went to one of his concerts in I

1045
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: want to say the late nineties early two thousand's and

1046
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: she saw him walking up on stage and like yelled

1047
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: at him and was like and he blew her a kiss.

1048
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: That story, Yeah, and she wasn't mourning for a very

1049
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: long time, you know, probably still is like, yeah, I mean,

1050
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: he he means so much to our communities in multiple levels,

1051
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: on multiple levels. Absolutely, yea. So let's play the song.

1052
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: Let's play the song, and thank you for bearing with

1053
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: us and for being so patient. Andrew Benne, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for recording with us three times and for

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Speaker 1: being a trooper. Yeah, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: patient with us, for being willing to record with us.

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Speaker 1: And the next time you're here in l A. We

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Speaker 1: will have to do our second old brunch and then

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Speaker 1: our second installment Thami in and then brunch some bottomless yes,

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Speaker 1: no money so anyway, so here's yeah. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning into another local radio, for tuning into

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Speaker 1: browno our We will catch you next time. Us