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<v Speaker 1>Right justin middle of the field forty five to fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>bring Russ in front of a leading Lions in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Jeff joniyancklitz is on don go r What

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<v Speaker 1>was like playing for Coachy boddom Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to answer any questions like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty one yards?

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<v Speaker 4>What's Sunday stroll.

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<v Speaker 3>For justin Field?

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<v Speaker 1>Ye Bears, et cetera with the voices of the Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>Bears Jeff Joniac who challenge waits the Bears this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Christmas Even A three twenty five kickoff into

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears and the Arizona Cardinals. Kyler Murray coming to

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<v Speaker 1>town and Jonathan Gannon, the new head coach of the

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Cardinals, brings a three win outfit to Soldier Field.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have it for you starting at three twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN one thousand of the Bears Radio Network with

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Thayra. I'm Jeff Joniak and this is episode forty

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<v Speaker 1>four of Our Bears et Cetera podcast coming up. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be joined by Doug Flank, the ferocious Bears safety. The

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<v Speaker 1>forty six defense invented by Buddy Ryan because of the

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<v Speaker 1>blonde bombshell, and we'll talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>We always love talking to Doug.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still doing national work on radio and has keen

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<v Speaker 1>insight on the Arizona Cardinals and your Chicago Bears.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the Bears suffered that defeat and it sucked

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<v Speaker 1>the wind out of everybody in Cleveland. But I'm certainly

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<v Speaker 1>very excited about Sunday. I know it's a holiday. People

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna be listening, people are gonna be watching if

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<v Speaker 1>you're on the road, going to family or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>love talking to our fans on the holiday because holiday

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<v Speaker 1>and football goes together. In recent years, we've had some

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Day games, some Christmas Eve games, and whoever shows

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<v Speaker 1>up at Sojier Field on Sunday, I think they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>entertained with two mobile quarterbacks like Kyler Murray and Justin Fields.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Kyler Murray is interesting to watch on tape because although

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<v Speaker 5>I've never been a huge fan of his, just because

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know if that his size was gonna be

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<v Speaker 5>usable and his escapability was gonna be an asset.

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<v Speaker 3>At the NFL level.

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<v Speaker 5>But I gotta say, when I watch him on tape,

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<v Speaker 5>I see a player with his assets, plays with extreme confidence.

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<v Speaker 5>He's got great escapability. He's willing to throw across his body.

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<v Speaker 5>He's willing to throw across the field. He's willing to

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<v Speaker 5>extend pockets to for one of his receivers to get open.

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<v Speaker 5>But also he's willing to drop if he feels pressure

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<v Speaker 5>rather than taking a hard hitting sack.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll go to the ground and go to the next play.

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<v Speaker 5>And sometimes that acceptability is you know, keeps them healthy

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<v Speaker 5>and on the field. So I'm really interested to watch

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<v Speaker 5>two dynamic, young developing quarterbacks this Christmas Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming off that Aco.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't played a lot obviously this year from from

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<v Speaker 1>last season and the Cliff Kingsbury experiment didn't work out

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<v Speaker 1>there in Arizona. That led to Jonathan Gannon. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know they've signed him to a big contract. But is

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<v Speaker 1>this home for him? Is this gonna be Kyler Murray's

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<v Speaker 1>football team moving forward? This is a three win team

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to a high draft pick and could be

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<v Speaker 1>interested maybe in one of those quarterbacks that are coming out.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they could also be interested in the big time

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<v Speaker 5>receiver because if you look at Kyler Murray, you know

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<v Speaker 5>he's got an explosive arm, he's got great confidence and

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<v Speaker 5>he's got great you know wherewithal in terms of the

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<v Speaker 5>passing game and how to extend the time behind the

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<v Speaker 5>line of scrimmage to make sure one of those receivers

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<v Speaker 5>get open. So if you have a contract that you've

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<v Speaker 5>already signed Kyler Murray to, and you have a high

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<v Speaker 5>draft choice where maybe you can get one of those

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<v Speaker 5>top two or three receivers that have an immediate impact

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<v Speaker 5>on your offense, you know, maybe that's the route to go.

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<v Speaker 5>You bring in a head coach. Kyler Murray is understanding

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<v Speaker 5>of the terminology and the development of the system. He

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<v Speaker 5>had time to wait until he actually had to play because,

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<v Speaker 5>as you mentioned, the recovery of the knee injury.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is the fastest route to success.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it seemed like they have a tight end in

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<v Speaker 5>place who's a real weapon on this offense. James Connor

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<v Speaker 5>is a really good running back. So just think if

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<v Speaker 5>you add another receiver to this football team that can

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<v Speaker 5>kind of play off of the other you know assets

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<v Speaker 5>they already have on this team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they do have an excellent second year tight

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<v Speaker 1>end and Trey McBride, somebody the Bears are gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to be keenly interested in given what David and Joku

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<v Speaker 1>did a we could go to the Bears with ten

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<v Speaker 1>catches and over one hundred yards and the lost to Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>Murray is the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, he will steal yards outside the pocket because of

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<v Speaker 1>his mobility. He does not take a lot of hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom He will slide out or get away without getting touched.

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<v Speaker 1>He is maneuverable in that pocket. And I call him

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<v Speaker 1>tiny but mighty.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, you know, I'm kind of old school in the

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<v Speaker 5>way that I've looked at you know, height and as

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<v Speaker 5>an importance for the quarterback position. You know, when Doug

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<v Speaker 5>Flutie really proved a lot of us wrong in terms of,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, longevity at the position and how good you

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<v Speaker 5>could possibly be. And I didn't know what to think

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<v Speaker 5>God Kyler, But like I said said at the beginning

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<v Speaker 5>of the program, I really admire his confidence and he's

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<v Speaker 5>willing to do a lot of things. But can you

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<v Speaker 5>block passes? Can you surround him in the pocket? Can

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<v Speaker 5>you try to keep him from really seeing the receivers downfield?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>However, like you said, if he gets outside the pocket,

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<v Speaker 5>he's got incredible sliding ability because of his baseball background,

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<v Speaker 5>but he also can convert pressure into a first down

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<v Speaker 5>by when he does get outside the pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals made some noise with Murray during the early portion

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<v Speaker 1>of his career, but just seven and twenty four the

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<v Speaker 1>last two seasons, obviously missing the end of last season

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<v Speaker 1>and the early portion of this year, so they got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 2>To do to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But they feel they got one of their franchise cornerstones

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<v Speaker 1>at one of the tackle positions in Paris Johnson. He's

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<v Speaker 1>had his ups and downs this season, a fair amount

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<v Speaker 1>of penalties, I think tied for second in offensive penalties

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<v Speaker 1>this year, but a really good left tackle from Florida

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<v Speaker 1>DJ Humphries and so pieces Will Hernandez the guard is

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<v Speaker 1>an nasty blocker. He will root you out in the

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<v Speaker 1>run game. What's your look at their offense overall? Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>Brown to the outside at receivers, got some speed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So the offense not scoring a ton, but a dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>outfit indeed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I think the offensive line, when you're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about having all those five pieces in place for a

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<v Speaker 5>period of time, they have to learn the quarterback and

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<v Speaker 5>how to play with the quarterback they have, because when

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<v Speaker 5>you talk about a protection, there's an exact there's a

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<v Speaker 5>real specific how you want to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 5>have your hands in place as an offensive lineman and

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<v Speaker 5>where you try to get to. But also if you

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<v Speaker 5>have the uncertainty of Kyler Murray and maybe if you

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<v Speaker 5>think the protection strength is to the right but he

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<v Speaker 5>takes off of the left, that kind of makes you

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<v Speaker 5>vulnerable to penalties at time. So I think it's a

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<v Speaker 5>process where you have to have a head coach that

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<v Speaker 5>understands the willingness of the quarterback and then how to

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<v Speaker 5>work with an offensive line if you can keep them

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<v Speaker 5>in play for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm still trying to figure out how the forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine ers gave up over two hundred yards of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals the number one rushing defense in the NFL. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this put you on alert for the Bears defensive front seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh one hundred percent? But I think you so if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a defensive coordinator.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeff, you've been around the NFL long enough and then

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<v Speaker 5>you're getting ready to play against the Arizona Cardinals. So

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<v Speaker 5>where do you start with when you're talking about limiting

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<v Speaker 5>the success of their offense. Do you start with the

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<v Speaker 5>arm of Kyler Murray, the escapability of Kyler Murray, or

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<v Speaker 5>the running ability of their running backs? Because they have

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of good running backs that run hard, they

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<v Speaker 5>have explosiveness, and they get outside.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's your first goal?

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<v Speaker 5>And I think whether you're a play by play guy

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<v Speaker 5>evaluating how you look at the Arizona Cardinals or you're

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<v Speaker 5>a defensive coordinator, what is your first goal? So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's what you kind of have to look at

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<v Speaker 5>when you're looking at the Arizona Cardinals and limiting their success.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the run period. Michael Carter also a jitterbug back.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a waiver claim from the Jets not just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months ago, in the early portion of November,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can do some damage as well. We're brought

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<v Speaker 1>to you by PNC Official Bank of the Bears with

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Thayer Jeff Joniak. All right, let's take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at that defense, and it is a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting adjustment for the Bears to take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at because they throw a lot of different personnel packages.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Gannon worked for Matt Eberfluss as a defensive back

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<v Speaker 1>coach for the Colts. For several years, so they know

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<v Speaker 1>each other very well, but operates a slightly different kind

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<v Speaker 1>of defense, doesn't he he does.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I was interesting watching the tape of them

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<v Speaker 5>because it's almost like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Five one five approach when because you know.

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<v Speaker 5>There's an interesting because you're gonna have five men against

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<v Speaker 5>the across the defensive line of scrimmage, but they're all

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<v Speaker 5>up at the line of scrimmage. So that means when

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<v Speaker 5>you call a pass protection, the offensive lineman are you're

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<v Speaker 5>you're responsible for everybody up front, and then you'll have

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<v Speaker 5>a linebacker that runs really well kind of that in

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<v Speaker 5>the middle position, and then all of a sudden, you're

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<v Speaker 5>going to have a lineup defensive backs. They may line

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<v Speaker 5>up straight across a line that's about twelve yards behind

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<v Speaker 5>the offensive lineup scrimmage, and now the quarterback has to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out who they're going to cover, how they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to cover. Is it going to be man coverage, is

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<v Speaker 5>it going to be zone coverage, or are they going

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<v Speaker 5>to bring one of those bodies up to the line

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<v Speaker 5>of scrimmage to provide an extra personnel of pressure. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to be interesting to see how they do

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<v Speaker 5>go about attacking this defense, and you know, the one

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<v Speaker 5>thing about it, if you get a defensive coordinator that

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<v Speaker 5>plays an unconventional style and a defense and they have

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<v Speaker 5>success with it, they're going to stay with it. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not like if you don't have success against it, they

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<v Speaker 5>won't change. So that's one thing that the Bears are

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<v Speaker 5>going to have to do is they're going to have

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<v Speaker 5>to have some explosive plays both in the running game

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<v Speaker 5>Justin's escapability and downfield passing.

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<v Speaker 1>Visy heart Seltzer, the official heart Seltzer of the Chicago Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>That defensive line for Arizona, they will do some damage.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a variety of different guys, all shapes, all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of speed. Bj Aujulry, their young outside linebacker, is

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<v Speaker 1>talent that he's got rush ability and is very slippery.

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Gardek, who went to Crystal Lake South, really was

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<v Speaker 1>not recruited very heavily, went into colleges and including Division

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<v Speaker 1>two West Virginia State, wound up at Sioux Falls College undrafted,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got forty five tackles in five sacks this

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<v Speaker 1>year and a really great resume as a veteran on

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<v Speaker 1>special teams with over fifty special teams tackles. Boy, you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about getting there the hard way for a local guy,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the hard way right there.

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<v Speaker 5>I listen, man, I love guys like that because the

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<v Speaker 5>game is important to them.

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<v Speaker 3>If they're not going to Division I school and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Got to be coddled through three or four years of

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<v Speaker 5>college and tell them every day how great they are

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<v Speaker 5>and how important they are to the program and what.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to do at the next level.

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<v Speaker 5>I like these guys that show how important getting through

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<v Speaker 5>the ranks so they can get a professional evaluation, and

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<v Speaker 5>then when they get their helmet and a professional team,

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<v Speaker 5>they do the most to keep.

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<v Speaker 3>It and have success.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there's guys from the Bears and every team

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<v Speaker 5>across the NFL that have had that type of success.

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<v Speaker 5>You look at Big Cat Williams going to Cheney State.

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<v Speaker 5>You know how he turns into the one of the

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<v Speaker 5>best offensive tackles in the history of the Bears. So

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<v Speaker 5>it's when it's important to you, it tells me a

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<v Speaker 5>lot about what you're able to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at Richard Dent, You're a good friend. I mean, right,

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<v Speaker 1>same store, right, same story.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I mean exactly. But you know some of these schools.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's always interesting to look at a roster

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<v Speaker 5>and you look at some of the schools that I've

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<v Speaker 5>still and have never heard of, that these guys are

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<v Speaker 5>on an NFL roster and they're having a successful career.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, listen, man, I really I admire them because

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I went to Notre Dame and I set

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<v Speaker 5>my sights on the NFL, and I had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>because we are on national TV every week. When you

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<v Speaker 5>have these guys that they have the size, the ability,

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<v Speaker 5>and the gifts that you need physically to get to

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<v Speaker 5>this level and then they're able to accomplish that, I

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<v Speaker 5>have all the admiration in the world for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a chance download the bet Rivers app. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>also got to talk about Buddha Baker. He is their

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<v Speaker 1>kind of their tempo setter, I would guess, not unlike

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<v Speaker 1>in many respects and who he's growing into, Jakwan Brisker,

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<v Speaker 1>but Buddha Baker been around a bit, just twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>years old, but a highly instinctive player with an urgency

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<v Speaker 1>to his game. He packs a punch, don't he, Tommy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he does. He's always been good. You know, this

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<v Speaker 3>is not a guy that's you know, waited his time.

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<v Speaker 5>He's been good since he came into the NFL, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he's the type of guy that you can

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<v Speaker 5>build a defensive backfield around, and you can have him

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<v Speaker 5>like Chakwan Brisker, line up at a lot of different

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<v Speaker 5>levels and take advantage of personnel groupings that the offense

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<v Speaker 5>is putting out there and sometimes put him at as

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<v Speaker 5>an advantage. Is he quicker than a tight end? Is

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<v Speaker 5>he stronger than a wide receiver blocker? How do you

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<v Speaker 5>deploy him? Is you know, you're always going to get

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<v Speaker 5>value from him?

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<v Speaker 1>And Josh Woods, the former Bear three years special teams,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who always believed himself, went to Detroit Lands

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<v Speaker 1>in Arizona. He's a starter Tommy with sixty one tackles

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<v Speaker 1>and he's getting the calls and making the calls for

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<v Speaker 1>the defense at that linebacker position. The one thing you

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<v Speaker 1>know to expect from Josh is high energy and he

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of belief in himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He plays urgently.

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<v Speaker 5>Congratulations to him because I kind of lost track of

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<v Speaker 5>him and I said, I don't know if this guy's

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<v Speaker 5>really a legitimate NFL player. You know, he can dance

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<v Speaker 5>a lot at practice. But he made a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>special teams early in his career, and he ran as

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<v Speaker 5>well as anybody on the field. I'm including fast cornerbacks,

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<v Speaker 5>big time receivers. And I said, Okay, if this guy

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<v Speaker 5>can ever take his God given gifts and turn him

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<v Speaker 5>into a football player, no matter what position they put

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<v Speaker 5>him at, he's got the ability to play. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>someone really taking not necessarily a chance at him, but

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<v Speaker 5>finding out where and how he fits best. And obviously

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<v Speaker 5>he's shown these coaches where it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Another player I like on the Arizona Cardinals from just

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<v Speaker 1>watching tape is the box safety Jalen Thompson. Another player

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<v Speaker 1>who plays near the line of scrimmage with an attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing that I've noticed on this group.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of high motor guys that played through

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<v Speaker 1>the whistle and they do punch him many. They're an

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive bunch and they play with their hair on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite their record of just three wins, the Bears are

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to match that intensity on Christmas Eve

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<v Speaker 1>at Soldier Field.

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<v Speaker 5>In my opinion, listen, you know they fired Cliff Kingsbury,

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<v Speaker 5>who was an offensive minded head coach, came from a

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<v Speaker 5>high profile program in college and they didn't have success.

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<v Speaker 5>So they go, Okay, we're going to go out. We're

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<v Speaker 5>going to find a head coach that has a defense background,

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<v Speaker 5>and what type of players do you have already there,

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<v Speaker 5>and what type of new players do I need? And

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's really the thing about this defense and

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<v Speaker 5>why they're playing so well is because you have a young, creative,

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<v Speaker 5>defensive minded coach that goes, Okay, I think I have

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<v Speaker 5>a group of personnel here that I can develop that

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<v Speaker 5>are really good at their position, or you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>I can change a little bit about their style of

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<v Speaker 5>play and get better play out of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Game day snacking calls for good foods. Chucky guacamodi made

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<v Speaker 1>with has avocados, tomatoes, onion, cilantro, and a squeeze of

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<v Speaker 1>lime juice. It's the perfect snack to watch while the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears win. Score some today at your local grocery store.

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<v Speaker 1>Game Day is guac Day. Time out to switch gears

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<v Speaker 1>and bring in our old friend and former Chicago Bear

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<v Speaker 1>is Great, one of the top one hundred history. Tom

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<v Speaker 1>and I are tickled right now. We miss seeing him

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<v Speaker 1>around Chicago. We see him every now and again.

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<v Speaker 2>The unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Bears safety still looks like he can play. There's

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<v Speaker 1>not a wrinkle on his face, and he's still got

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<v Speaker 1>the blonde hair. Are you dying your hair, Doug Plank, No.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I wish I was. Though. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's amazing how how we look it matters in

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<v Speaker 4>what we say, don't you think, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's like, the better you will, the more

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<v Speaker 6>credibility you have.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just like I frequently speak to younger people athletes, and.

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<v Speaker 6>It's important for me to look like I could tackle somebody.

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<v Speaker 6>I could throw football, I could catch it football.

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<v Speaker 4>If I come rolling down there at two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>eighty nine pounds or whatever, and I can.

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<v Speaker 6>Barely walk, I got my knees are shot, they're already shot.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have to look like, hey, listen, this guy

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<v Speaker 4>could at least play for a couple of plays.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, Doug clide Emeric used to say that

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<v Speaker 5>all the time. He always used to say, you know, Tom,

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<v Speaker 5>he got to think about the big picture. He goes,

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<v Speaker 5>when you meet people and you meet kids twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 5>years after you're done playing, you want them to recognize

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<v Speaker 5>that you were a football player at one time, instead.

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<v Speaker 4>Of instead of somebody saying, what happened to you? Where

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<v Speaker 4>is Dug Plank at? Somewhere inside that two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>eighty pound body, Dug Plank is hiding out. So I'll

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<v Speaker 4>give this for the surgeries I've had. Though I've had

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<v Speaker 4>the poor joint replacements, the knees and the shoulders, it's

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<v Speaker 4>been a blessing because it's reduced my ability to have

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with pain every single day, you know, so

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<v Speaker 4>it allows you maybe I'm wearing it out though I'm

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<v Speaker 4>still bench pressing. And last time I went to the doctor,

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<v Speaker 4>he goes, what have you been doing, Doug, And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been bench pressing. He goes how much. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>four hundred pounds. He goes, if you want to come

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<v Speaker 4>in for another surgery. Keep doing what you're doing, He said,

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<v Speaker 4>you are wearing your joints out.

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<v Speaker 3>So, guys, I will stand here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to look ten years down the road and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna need this joint for another ten years, so

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<v Speaker 4>I need to wise up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what Tom told me. Tom told me abs

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<v Speaker 1>and calves are the hardest things to develop. You do

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<v Speaker 1>you have abs and cabs?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you? Are you sporting a six pack?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I am, I am. You know what you know

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<v Speaker 4>with muscle is more dense than fat, And I think

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<v Speaker 4>I can say the word fat, So you maybe don't

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<v Speaker 4>look like it, but you know you're you're denser and

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<v Speaker 4>you're heavier. And but you know I enjoy lifting weights.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I call it a walk through workout. Every

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<v Speaker 4>room in my house has weights. So as I walk

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<v Speaker 4>through my house from my kitchen to my bedroom, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>lifting weights, doing sit ups, doing pushups, uh, doing band

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<v Speaker 4>I've got bands. Every room is different, so it's not

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<v Speaker 4>like I get bored doing something. No, I can do everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to go jump in my pool later on

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<v Speaker 4>in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you right now before Tom jumps in, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to jump in because you're making me look bad

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<v Speaker 1>as a sixty one year old. I mean, Tom, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I got people tell me, Hey, you gotta do X,

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<v Speaker 1>Y and Z. Yeah, I'll do it after the season, Doug,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no excuse after what you just laid out,

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<v Speaker 1>I have zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuses from this day forward. You are an inspiration.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what, if you want to really make yourself

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<v Speaker 6>feel guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>Make sure you get a log like this, and you

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<v Speaker 4>log and you dictate everything you do every single day,

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<v Speaker 4>and you go wait till Sunday and go back and

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<v Speaker 4>look at.

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<v Speaker 6>Your past seven days. Are you proud of what you did?

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<v Speaker 4>Or is it a lot like this?

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<v Speaker 6>I woke up, I ate three meeals a day. I

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<v Speaker 6>jump back in bed.

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<v Speaker 4>I got nothing, You've got nothing on here? I go.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what that incriminates you, that holds you liable

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<v Speaker 4>for the things that happen to you, the things that

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<v Speaker 4>you say and what other people say to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, all right, before I get to a football question,

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<v Speaker 5>Doug Clyde always used to say, it's more important to

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<v Speaker 5>eat right than it is to work out.

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<v Speaker 3>What about your eating habits?

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<v Speaker 5>Are they discipline or do you have freelance at that

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I would say I'm disciplined. And until

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<v Speaker 4>thirty days ago, I used to drink a six pack

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<v Speaker 4>of mountain Dew every day. I don't drink wine, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't drink I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke. But

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<v Speaker 4>the mountain dew had me. And I've slowly been able

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<v Speaker 4>over these last thirty days to get back into more

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<v Speaker 4>I guess more authentic drinks, you know, fruit drinks, non sugar,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just water. You know, it's a great way

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<v Speaker 4>to start off your day. You know, everything is to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>We are who our habits say we are. So now

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<v Speaker 4>I get up, I have three glasses of water. Tom,

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<v Speaker 4>You know, before I do anything, before I start thinking

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<v Speaker 4>of anything, I just go one, two or three.

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<v Speaker 6>That kills your appetite. It kills yours for at least

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<v Speaker 6>through lunch. Right, If you get through lunch, then you're

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<v Speaker 6>in good shape, you know. Then it's into the fascinating.

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<v Speaker 6>You know whatever. You do it at night and don't

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<v Speaker 6>eat until at least.

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<v Speaker 4>The next afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you drink coffee?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I do cups before we got on so well,

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<v Speaker 4>the caffeine is not my energy. This is partly four

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<v Speaker 4>cups of coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, you know, douge your energy.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody that goes to a Bears game, they're reminded of

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<v Speaker 5>it every week because there's a Hall of Fame mascot.

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<v Speaker 3>That wears a forty six jersey.

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<v Speaker 5>But I want to talk to ask you a question

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<v Speaker 5>about the forty six defense. Two questions is it is

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<v Speaker 5>it a talent generated defense or and is it usable

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<v Speaker 5>against the RPO offense.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it is. I think what happened though he

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<v Speaker 4>has a lot of the techniques of that defense Tom

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<v Speaker 4>was attack the quarterback and make contact with the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 4>which is now becoming less and less conducive, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it be through penalties or fines or ejections on

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<v Speaker 4>a football games. You know, we used to be allowed

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<v Speaker 4>to just literally abuse the quarterbacks and make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>every single play somehow he got knocked down on the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>Every time a quarterback would throw an interception against us,

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<v Speaker 4>the guy with the ball was on his own. The

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<v Speaker 4>other ten guys were going and hitting the quarterback and

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<v Speaker 4>the like circus play. It was so much fun. He

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<v Speaker 4>would laugh, like we were at the playground. We'd come

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<v Speaker 4>back to the huddle, high five and everybody. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>and if there's one thing that still bothers me about

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<v Speaker 4>watching Chicago Bear games, and they've been doing better lately,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's individual effort, like blocking and tackling. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>some of the tackling techniques, especially once they get past

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<v Speaker 4>in the line of screamagi in the secondary. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>saying abuse people, just grab them, wrap them up instead

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<v Speaker 4>of trying to make like a blocking tackle. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>blocking tackles don't work against the world or Payton's of

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<v Speaker 4>the world. You know, the Patrick Mahomes. Those guys are

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<v Speaker 4>too good, They're too athletic, they can move left and right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, everybody says, what, you know, what do you

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<v Speaker 4>attribute to this forty nine year offense too lately? You

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<v Speaker 4>know what, if you watch those plays over and over again,

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<v Speaker 4>they take great pride in blocking, blocking other defenders, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's what makes their offense so great.

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<v Speaker 6>That allows their quarterback to throw the ball down the field.

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<v Speaker 4>It allows McCaffrey to get into the line of screamage

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<v Speaker 4>and then in the secondary and do his thing.

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<v Speaker 6>It's those little things that add up to big things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>So then you think about the peanut punch that's become

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<v Speaker 5>so famous around the league and even into college and

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<v Speaker 5>into high school, guys actually attempted. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 5>stripping the ball has affected the way eyes tackled nowadays

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<v Speaker 5>because the second guy is always stripping instead of hitting,

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<v Speaker 5>where you can probably take more of a toll if

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<v Speaker 5>the second guy was hitting as much as the first guy.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, though, and I really try to concentrate

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<v Speaker 4>which you can't use your helmet out for a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of things, especially if it's the first thing you're leading with.

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<v Speaker 4>Even coming up to a ball carrier, I always try

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<v Speaker 4>to put my helmet on the ball, and I was

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<v Speaker 4>aware of that every day in practice. Now I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>doing it against our players, but I would go up

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<v Speaker 4>there like a mock interpretation, and then at the last

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<v Speaker 4>second before I was going to hit somebody, just veer

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<v Speaker 4>off left or right. And you do that time and

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<v Speaker 4>time and time again, tom in practice. When the game

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<v Speaker 4>come comes, you don't even think about it.

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<v Speaker 6>When the ball snaffed.

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<v Speaker 4>And that guy has that ball, your body is drawn

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<v Speaker 4>like a magnet to that ball carrier and you're thinking football.

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<v Speaker 6>Football. Now here's my whole point.

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<v Speaker 4>If I didn't get that football, I would be criticized

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<v Speaker 4>in lambasset in meetings. Doug, what are you doing? Why

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<v Speaker 4>don't you make the tackle? What were you thinking of?

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<v Speaker 4>He goes, I was thinking about the ball. That is

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<v Speaker 4>the most I feel like turnovers is the most important

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<v Speaker 4>dynamic in football. It changes games. Look at some of

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<v Speaker 4>the games recently where the ball obviously wasn't caught or

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<v Speaker 4>controlled or something at the end of the half or

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<v Speaker 4>the game that could have been the difference.

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<v Speaker 6>Between winning and losing.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I'm a coach right now, the last coaching

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<v Speaker 4>I did in the National Football League was with a Jets.

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<v Speaker 4>I coached every single day, get the ball, loose, grab

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<v Speaker 4>that ball. Whatever happens. Even if you missed the tackle,

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<v Speaker 4>then somebody else behind you has to be working their

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<v Speaker 4>butt off to try to get over there and make

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<v Speaker 4>that tackle. One thing that frustrates me watching Bears on defense,

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's guys that make assumptions. They're coming up

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<v Speaker 4>to make a tackle and they think another guy has

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<v Speaker 4>made the tackle and he hasn't. He hasn't made the tackle.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he's only grabbing the guy. Well, somebody has

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<v Speaker 4>to be there to make sure that guy's on the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know, I just think that it's a

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<v Speaker 4>different game right now. Guys are scared about hitting people

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<v Speaker 4>with their helmets to getting fined and suspended. So I

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<v Speaker 4>don't blame you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Doug Plank, our guest here on the Bears et Cetera

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<v Speaker 1>podcast episode forty four with Tom Thair Jeff Joniant getting

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<v Speaker 1>Ready with the Bears and Cardinals On Christmas Eve three,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, the kickoff. All right, So a twelfth round

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<v Speaker 1>pick out of Ohio State. Before you got on, Tom

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<v Speaker 1>and I were just going over a guy on the Cardinals,

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis gard Deck, who played at West Virginia stated Division

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<v Speaker 1>two program. He came from Crystal Lake out here in

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<v Speaker 1>the northern Northwest suburbs and then finished his college career

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<v Speaker 1>at Sue Falls College, which I've never heard of, but

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<v Speaker 1>yet he is a veteran. He was a special teams demon,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's five sacks. I mean, he's still playing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got the hair. He's got better hair than Tom

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<v Speaker 1>ever had in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a flowing main.

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<v Speaker 1>But we just ticked off a bunch of guys that

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<v Speaker 1>came from parts unknown to make it in this league

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<v Speaker 1>despite all the scouting and all the work and the

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<v Speaker 1>money invested in scouting to find some of these gems.

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<v Speaker 1>But the gem's got to be willing to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they got to be willing to do it at

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<v Speaker 1>all costs, and they gotta love it. You would have

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<v Speaker 1>been an undrafted free agent back in the day because

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<v Speaker 1>the drafts were, you know, sixteen rounds or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would have made it and you would have been

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<v Speaker 1>the star that you were over the Bears. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just a nasty defensive gem and a great teammate. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you have a great deal of respect for guys that

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<v Speaker 1>took a long way to get to the big stage.

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<v Speaker 6>I really do, you know? Because they weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't encouraged every day, they weren't the first ones

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<v Speaker 4>to the training table afterwards. To me, because I wasn't starting,

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<v Speaker 4>I was known in the category in Ohio State as

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<v Speaker 4>the Ayos. And that was not the first team, not

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<v Speaker 4>the second team. The Ayos, the a yos were.

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<v Speaker 6>The all you others and your wife. Force is an acronym,

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<v Speaker 6>just like in the military. And for three straight years.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was eligible to plate in varsity football Ohiose State.

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<v Speaker 4>My first my first day, I told you, I someone

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<v Speaker 4>grabbed my knee and rode like an alligator and threw

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<v Speaker 4>my ligaments or cart leach and tore one ligament. And

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<v Speaker 4>so the second day I was at Ohose State, I

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<v Speaker 4>was on the operating table. I was getting my knee

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<v Speaker 4>operated off. So I came back with a vengeance. I

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<v Speaker 4>could never get to be the regular starter. I was

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<v Speaker 4>the next man up guy. But I led the team

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<v Speaker 4>in tackles on kickoffs for three straight years. Now.

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<v Speaker 6>If you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>A I shouldn't say the word. You know, there's something

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<v Speaker 4>where you collide with people continually and you have to

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<v Speaker 4>have a mindset that is like nobody else. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, you can be a very nice guy on

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<v Speaker 4>the sideline and you know, look at cheerleaders and all

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of stuff. No, when you're on that field,

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<v Speaker 4>this is life and death. And many times I had

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<v Speaker 4>to run through guys two fifty to three hundred to

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<v Speaker 4>get through the ball carrier because he was a kickoff returner.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to run into wedges. I knew that this

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<v Speaker 4>was gonna hurt. But you know what, that mental training

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<v Speaker 4>is what got me the success at Ohause. You got

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<v Speaker 4>the Shuggle Bears. There was nothing else that was gonna

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<v Speaker 4>bring me fear. I already played with a two time

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<v Speaker 4>Heisman Trophy, Archie Griffin. I already played with seven guys

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<v Speaker 4>that were in the first round draft pick in my class.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, I was already in the NFL. I

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<v Speaker 4>was doing it every single day in practice, and on

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<v Speaker 4>every kickoff, I would look at who was down there

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<v Speaker 4>that I wanted to go knock out hopefully not myself,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, it was easy to run through blockers.

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<v Speaker 6>Blockers didn't expect to be tackled.

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<v Speaker 4>When you ran down on a kickoff, the guy was

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<v Speaker 4>thinking he was coming to get you. No, you were

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<v Speaker 4>going to get him. I can't tell you how many

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<v Speaker 4>times I hit guys. They never saw me coming, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>guys to.

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<v Speaker 6>Eighty two ninety, they'd go boom, flat knocked out. I'd

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<v Speaker 6>go make the tackle.

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<v Speaker 4>You learned how to become a very aggressive player in

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<v Speaker 4>the circumstance.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you say one time you wish that every fan

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<v Speaker 1>could run down kickoff one time to understand what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly I think of that, and I tell my wife

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<v Speaker 4>there isn't much else in life. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 4>needed to accomplish one hundred thousand people.

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<v Speaker 6>You're running out there and you can hear this roar, this.

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<v Speaker 4>Crowd because it's like something out of a movie scene,

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<v Speaker 4>and to tackle some Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean the first time I ran onto a field

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<v Speaker 6>in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>State, the first game with there wasn't one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 4>back then, there was eighty or ninety thousand, ninety thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that it was so loud you didn't feel

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<v Speaker 4>like you were even running onto the field. Jeff, you

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<v Speaker 4>felt like you were flying onto the field. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, I started crying before the game. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know why I'm crying. I'm crying because

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<v Speaker 4>my energy level is so high. Tears are the next

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<v Speaker 4>thing to come out. And I would run on that.

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<v Speaker 4>How many times a coach said, I've never seen a

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<v Speaker 4>play that ever made a tackle with a small ones space,

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<v Speaker 4>But you, Doug, You're the first guy saw made a

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<v Speaker 4>tackle with the out of face.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Doug.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you look at the modern day quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 5>the NFL, we'll talk about Justin and Kyler Murray. Do

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<v Speaker 5>you think that would take away a little of your

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<v Speaker 5>preemptive aggressiveness because of the fear of them getting outside

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<v Speaker 5>the pocket? Or would it have any change of style

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<v Speaker 5>of how you played the game?

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<v Speaker 4>It would because those guys are such great athletes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you think back in the day, other than Frank Tarkan,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the only guy I can think of right now.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a small, little, very agile though good roun

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<v Speaker 4>If everything was covered, man, they took off. That's the

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<v Speaker 4>standard now by how you measure a quarterback. Once everybody's covered,

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<v Speaker 4>what are you going to do with the ball? How

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<v Speaker 4>are you going to get out of this pocket? And

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<v Speaker 4>I think you know a lot of the quarterbacks, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like the Chicago Bears, obviously I saw plenty of hitting

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<v Speaker 4>from Ohio State. Those kind of guys are great at

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<v Speaker 4>just getting out, getting getting into the open. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The one thing that surprises me though, is that instead

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, chasing, you know, one thing I noticed

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<v Speaker 4>about a lot of defenses now, instead of containing the

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<v Speaker 4>quarterback and maybe attacking him a little bit more slowly

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<v Speaker 4>tom you know, and keeping in their lanes, too many

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<v Speaker 4>guys they take inside releases as defensive ends. You're toast

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<v Speaker 4>the quarterback. Those quarterbacks today, boom, they're gone. It's fast,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're faster than almost all your secondary guys. So

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<v Speaker 4>even though you want to hit somebody or contain them,

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<v Speaker 4>go slower, don't ever give up the outside edge. I

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<v Speaker 4>was always told as a safety in a corner as

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<v Speaker 4>I played corner also in Ohio State, the short side corner.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's amazing how different the hashes are in

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<v Speaker 4>college than the pros. On the outside hash Oh my gosh,

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 4>you only got like ten fifteen yards and the sideline.

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<v Speaker 4>So you don't have to be this athletic, they ask corner. No,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to be ready to take on sweeps and

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<v Speaker 4>things like that, which is where my position was. But

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<v Speaker 4>the important thing is with those quarterbacks, you can't give

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<v Speaker 4>up the outside edge because you are going to get beat.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're a defensive coach now you know you went

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<v Speaker 5>on to the coach defenses. So the Bears have DJ Moore.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a huge fan of Marvin Harrison junior, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think he should have won the Heisman Trophy.

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<v Speaker 5>When you look at the receivers in the game today,

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<v Speaker 5>does that back you up? Are you coaching your safeties

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<v Speaker 5>to stay backed off the line of scrimmage because of

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<v Speaker 5>those guys or do you still want them sticking your

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<v Speaker 5>nose into that second level to be you know, more

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<v Speaker 5>of an create immediate response for the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 4>You know one thing I noticed too, just the Chicago

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<v Speaker 4>Bear secondary, and I'm not trying to be extra critical

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 4>with him or not. When they're running backs or quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 4>get through the line of screamage. Too many times guys

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<v Speaker 4>in the secondary to state these quarterbacks they're not making tackles.

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<v Speaker 6>They're trying to run up there and do a block tackle.

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<v Speaker 6>Just try to cut the guy legs out.

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<v Speaker 4>These are guys or pro athletes, they're used to that,

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<v Speaker 4>and all they have to do is just fight off.

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<v Speaker 6>Fight you off for.

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<v Speaker 4>One one foot or one step, and now they're on

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<v Speaker 4>their feet and they're gone. You have to add the

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 4>tackling aspect, even if that means if you have to

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 4>slow down. You can't be running at somebody full speed

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 4>and try to get under control. You have to go

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 4>under control, be able to wrap people up, bring him

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 4>to the ground. That's why I used to tell people

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 4>what I did with the struggle bears. If it wasn't

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 4>for my grip doing dumbbell cleans all the day, you know,

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 4>exercises with the dumbbell, hanging down with a rock, whatever

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 4>you want to call it, Tom, That's what I did

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 4>so I could grab an earl Campbell, who was a beast,

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 4>that man ran over people and bring him to the ground.

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, that is that was the standard of it

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 4>that I always judge myself by. If I can't bring

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.439
<v Speaker 4>him down, then I shouldn't be out here.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 5>Hey, Doug, did you ever have an honest, one on

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 5>one tackley experience against Walt her and because because I

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 5>know back in our inner squad games there was times

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 5>playing against McMichael was worse than playing against anybody on

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 5>an NFL day.

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever have any of those?

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? And you know what I would I wouldn't say

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Walter wanted or I wanted, because it was never in

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 4>the wide open, but a lot of times it was

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 4>almost It reminded me of when Earl Campbell Jack Tatum,

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 4>which was trying to tackle Earl Campbell in one of

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 4>those games. It's a video that's been on for a

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 4>long time, and they both hit each other at the

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 4>line of scrimmage and it was like like a stillmate. Obviously,

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 4>Earl Campbell still went on afterwards another five yards, but

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 4>he was almost like knocked out.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 6>Here's the other thing.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 4>Once I realized that Walter Peyton was ninety nine percent

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 4>of our team, Tom, I'm.

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 6>Not going to touch you a right, I ran the

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 6>other way.

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 4>I never wanted to be anything, you know, because I

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:03.640
<v Speaker 4>roomed with him my first training camp. They put everybody

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 4>by authetic order. How can you hurt your your roommate?

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 4>He he you know, he doun it out too. Tom.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 6>He had a oh my gosh, he he.

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Was that thing. It was like get hit with a

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 4>baseball bat, you would just ring your help, your helmet

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 4>would just ring. And uh. Once I figured out, hey, listen,

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 4>this guy, he's the start. And the first workout that

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 4>we had, they brought all the rookies out and we

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 4>had a camp down in Florida for three days and

0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 4>I played with the only two time Heighschool Trophy winner.

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 4>That guy could have been that same guy. He he

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 4>could have won that thing if he was on an

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 4>Ohio State team instead of jack State. He got the state, right,

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 4>he just got the Jackson in the Ohio rang. He

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 4>was in Ohio State, he would have won. You know,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>one of the he was something else. He could punt,

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 4>he could throw, he could run, I mean, he could catch.

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 4>There wasn't that he couldn't do.

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 6>So I immediately, you know, gain respect, huge respect. In

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 6>three days.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Doug Plank our guest here on the Bears et cetera

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:12.399
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<v Speaker 1>and you too, I know this well. I don't remember

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>all of our conversations, but we've had plenty dougs, certainly

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.760
<v Speaker 1>at the one hundred as well when the Bears celebrated

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>their one hundred. But you know, I often look at

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 1>the looking at this Bears team right now. It's a

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>young team. There's a lot of these guys won't be

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>here when the Bears are winning, like winning and competing.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 1>And you experienced a life with Walter Payton and Dan

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Hampton and Mike Hartenstein and some others that trickled into

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the eighty five Bears and became centerpiece. Is for the

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty five Bears kind of paving the way a little bit,

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>taking their lumps, but building that camaraderie, the chemistry, that

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:12.200
<v Speaker 1>something that you cannot define until you actually see it

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>come to fruition. How hard was that for you not

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to be a part of taking that one last step

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to get to the eighty five team and the championship

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>team I'll.

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 4>Tell about Jeff. You know, there's you know, the ladder

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 4>to success is a step by step. When you're up

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 4>there and you have some success or you're a starter

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 4>or whatever, the trip down goes quickly. And especially I

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 4>firmly believe there's only so many concussions, there are only

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 4>so many torknees, shoulders hips, whatever the human being can

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 4>endure it.

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:49.879
<v Speaker 6>And I think at the end, if I was still

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 6>a young.

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 4>Person that could run and all that, I would maybe

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 4>felt like I was left out. But at that point

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 4>in time, I really felt like the the body parts

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 4>that I had, they were they were already being replaced.

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 4>And uh and concussions. Concussions were another thing. I mean

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 4>that was a no big deal back then, but you

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 4>know that those you know, after a while, those things

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 4>accumulate and there's long term aspects to it. And I

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 4>just started thinking, what kind of a husband, what kind

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 4>of a father am I going to be down the

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 4>road if I'm continually you know, deteriorating.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 6>My body maybe in terms of even my mental acumen.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 4>So did I watch them? Yeah? I watched them every

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 4>single game I could. At that time, I was still

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 4>running fast food businesses, so sometimes I couldn't watch the

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 4>game because I was down.

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 6>Serving the customers, so to speak.

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 4>But I, you know what was so funny though Jeff,

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 4>was to watch the games and watch Buddy Ryan on

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 4>the sideline. Buddy is giving the same defensive signals that

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 4>was there. I was there. I used to call I

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 4>used to call it the play before the has even happened,

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, and here company Mike around the corner or

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.479
<v Speaker 4>press them on the outside. Oh. It was fun watch

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 4>in the game because I felt like I was part

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:12.800
<v Speaker 4>of it and I knew exactly what they were doing.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>And people say, you know, everybody has their own little niche,

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes sometimes we go above our elevation in terms

0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 4>of job responsibilities which maybe we were unqualified for or

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't us. I think Buddy at that defensive coordinator position,

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 4>there was like nobody like him, and he would make

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 4>you feel so good or so bad, and you.

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 6>Always wanted to be on the good side. Even when

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 6>I got knocked down.

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes I remember telling myself get off the ground, because

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 4>this is done film and I have to run into

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.840
<v Speaker 4>the ball afterwards. So I never spend any time on

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 4>the ground. In fact, I would practice in practice ruling

0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 4>because if I knew I got blindsided or something Tom

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 4>and I'm flying through the air, I would duck my head,

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 4>roll and get back up on my feet to go

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 4>make the tagle. You do that, I go. I do

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 4>it every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday here in practice. And

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.479
<v Speaker 4>if you're welcome to join me, if.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>You want, you do you do? You agree with me

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 2>on something about the safeties.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I know the game is won and lost to the

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 1>line of scrimmage, and I know quarterbacks are getting all

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the attention. Obviously, you got to have one to win

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.720
<v Speaker 1>a super Bowl. In most cases that's one hundred percent true.

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But you also have to have a tone ceter at safety,

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and you paired with obviously with Gary Fencik and his

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>early portion of his career and he carried out to

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>lead the lead the Bears and interceptions for his career. Playmakers.

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 1>Guys that set tone is that necessary to win a championship?

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Because I feel it is.

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 4>I do it is, Jeff, without a doubt. Somebody has

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 4>to be your leader, you know what. And if you

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 4>think you're a leader, you're always following somebody else. And

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 4>nobody knows that there was Guys on our team. I'm

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 4>not going to say to the word well hit. Some

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.760
<v Speaker 4>of them were on defense, Walter with the guy on offense,

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.399
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you that. And I'm thinking, man, why can't

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 4>I be like him? He brings it every play, I

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 4>mean every single play, even if you need to make

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 4>any yards. He ran through and broke three tackles. Getting

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 4>back to a lot of scrimmage. He set the standards

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 4>for like what the team should be. And I think,

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, you forget all these people in

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 4>this meeting room. Once they watched that film one time

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 4>or maybe twice, then they're they're scanning around the other

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 4>guys on the field.

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 6>What did he do on that play? The guys or whatever.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 4>My teammates years after I was done playing and say,

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 4>you know what, Doug, I appreciate you because even though

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 4>you had nothing to do with the play, you somehow

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 4>made it part of you to get in on that

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 4>play and you went up there he blasted to a

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 4>blocker or something and made a tackle. I just think

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 4>every single time the guy was running with the ball,

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 4>what happens if the guy misses a tackle, Who's gonna

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 4>be there to make that tackle?

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:46.919
<v Speaker 6>I always wanted to be that guy.

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't care what sideline it was on, whether they

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 4>were coming up the middle, I would take it right

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 4>to the very very end. And sometimes it was good

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 4>for me. Sometimes was it. You know, sometimes I got

0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:58.959
<v Speaker 4>pen lies.

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 6>You know, when you're run.

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 4>He threw a hole from a free safety. You got

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 4>a ten yard run and that holes opening and here

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 4>comes the running back. Suddenly though a guy gets right

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 4>in front of you. It's a referee. He's trying to

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 4>look at the play too. There's been times where I

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.799
<v Speaker 4>hit referees. They made the tackle, I hit him in

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 4>the back. They went flying forward. They made the greatest

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:18.800
<v Speaker 4>four tackle I've ever seen in my life.

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Collateral damage.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 6>You know what the good news is they didn't even

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 6>know who it was.

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 4>They couldn't they couldn't penalize me because there was no

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 4>replays and that I fell back then and I don't

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 4>even know you give credit to I mean I always wanted.

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 2>That got the tackle.

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, hey, Doug, when you look at so the Bears

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 7>in the final three games, so they could possibly have

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 7>the first pick in the draft because of Carolina.

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Right now, I think they're number five.

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 5>And if it was only the Bears draft choices. I

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:53.879
<v Speaker 5>think everybody saying, oh, we want the Bears to tank

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 5>these final three games. Yeah, I see you got your

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.360
<v Speaker 5>Bears alumni shirt on there, proud of Lomnife.

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:00.760
<v Speaker 3>You're if you're in there.

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 5>Given the message to this team the final three games,

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 5>what would your message.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Be to them?

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 4>How?

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.399
<v Speaker 3>How do you want them to approach it?

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I would say number one, the one thing that will

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.320
<v Speaker 4>get you to be faster than anything. It's mental mistakes,

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 4>being going in the wrong direction, having the wrong technique,

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 4>jump off sides. I do broadcasting. Also, you guys know this.

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 4>This year I watched a team I'm not going to

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 4>tell you who they were. Twice the same guy jumped

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 4>off side. How in the heck do you jump off

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 4>sites twice on the same team after you've already been

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 4>penalized once. Now it's another five yards Tom, I'm just thinking,

0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 4>you can't play with guys like that. You have to

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 4>identify them. You know what, all the coaching in the

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 4>world will make a difference. You could keep those guys

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 4>in there for five hours watching films. They don't have

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 4>the mental.

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 6>Acumen to say, hey, listen, I'm going to discipline myself.

0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to make mistakes. I'm going to do

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 4>my assignment. I'm not going to go in the wrong direction.

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 4>But I definitely believe, you know, I believe practice what

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 4>you preach.

0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 6>In other words, if.

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:00.760
<v Speaker 4>It gets to the end of the game and somebody

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 4>else is trying to do a hell Mary play, should

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<v Speaker 4>you practice it occasionally? How many teams I don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know how many teams never even practice plays like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Go and put yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>One time I talked with Bill Belichick after a game,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know one thing he said, because they made

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<v Speaker 4>a great play on a specialty because we practiced that

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.959
<v Speaker 4>all the time. Now it was played much like that, Tom.

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<v Speaker 4>You would never expect yet any team they would do it.

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 4>But they practice on side kicks, but not to hell

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<v Speaker 4>Mary's very often. You know, those were decided. Those were

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<v Speaker 4>game decisions this past week, big plays like that, you know.

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 4>And so when you go down there, expect something expecting, unexpected, expected,

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 4>the ball is going to come to you, and be

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 4>ready for it instead of just running down there like mindless,

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, nothing on your brain. Always be thinking about

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 4>what's gonna happen in the next few seconds that I

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<v Speaker 4>can maybe be part of.

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<v Speaker 2>Doug do you have a game this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm off this week I mean I enjoyed, enjoyed tremendously.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's some games are better than others, you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>know sometimes you know, just know.

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<v Speaker 6>Before the game even starts, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 6>a great game.

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<v Speaker 4>I enjoy seeing people that I've met over the course

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 4>of my life, not during my playing years. But like

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<v Speaker 4>John Lynch, you know, the general manager of the forty

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<v Speaker 4>nine ers, I always appreciate him. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>what the stuff that he brings to the table in

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 4>terms of detail. He's a great person for just the

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<v Speaker 4>details of the game. You know, when I watch their

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<v Speaker 4>team play, every one of the players on the defense

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 4>is making an effort, I mean crazy effort, one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent effort to get to the ball. On the offensive side,

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 4>they don't miss any blocks. You wonder why those receivers

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 4>and running backs McCaffrey for example, Oh my gosh. Now

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 4>he's not the most gifted guy. You know, he doesn't

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 4>run the fastest, he doesn't bench press the most. But

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 4>you know what, you want to give him the ball,

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.680
<v Speaker 4>He's going to find a way to gain yards. He's

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<v Speaker 4>going to get that first out and you know what,

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 4>and when he does, he comes back to the and

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 4>it's like a you know, a cheering session. Everybody is complimenting,

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and they line up again and they're going to do

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.080
<v Speaker 4>it all again. And I noticed also along the lines

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 4>of scrimmage, those those guys blocked, but they don't just block,

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 4>they sustain their blocks. And I heard it Kurch one

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 4>time says, you're only as good as how well you

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<v Speaker 4>get off blocks and how well you sustained blocks.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Doug, one question, Jeff, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>So this past week, I'm watching the tape of the

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<v Speaker 5>San Francisco Arizona game and it's a whole Arizona home game,

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<v Speaker 5>but when Kyler Murray is in shotgun, he's using a

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 5>silent count. Is are the are the opponents fans coming

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 5>into Arizona Stadium at such a high level that there's

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 5>crowd noise against Arizona even though they're at home.

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if.

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 5>You even get a chance to go in the stadium

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:49.839
<v Speaker 5>or been there.

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:54.680
<v Speaker 4>You're bringing up a perfect point. When Chicago comes to town.

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 4>This is truper hockey, baseball, and basketball. Okay, I know

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:01.880
<v Speaker 4>I live here. You think you're in Chicago. These are

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:06.359
<v Speaker 4>all Chicago bands. I mean not just murmuring. No, they're

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 4>jumping out of their seats, They're yelling, they're screaming. It's

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.399
<v Speaker 4>the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Same

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 4>thing as true for San Francisco on their the forty

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<v Speaker 4>nine ers. When I was watching that game, I didn't

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 4>do that game. I just watched it on television. They

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.760
<v Speaker 4>would scan like they didn't want to scan the stands

0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 4>too much because it looked like a home game for

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 4>the forty nine ers. Everybody had the colors on and

0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:31.720
<v Speaker 4>the crowd was so loud. I mean, it totally negated

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 4>especially the year that the Cardinals are having. And you know,

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 4>I love like the forty nine ers. Yeah, they had

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 4>a downturn of what those three games, but man they

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 4>got back on track and you know, look out here

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 4>we come. And the other thing I like about it,

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 4>they're they're willing to design plays Tom that are so

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 4>wide open. You know, like watching that game last week's

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:59.439
<v Speaker 4>game they played they were unbelievable. It just they got

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 4>behind early against the Cardinals, but as the game was

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<v Speaker 4>going on, you could tell the plays that were being

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.840
<v Speaker 4>called from the San Francisco side were so much better

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 4>than the flip side over here in Arizona because guys

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 4>were wide open. You know, they were misdirection crossing routes,

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 4>things like that that we all learned back in high

0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.839
<v Speaker 4>school and colleague and all that sort of thing. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, though, it takes a lot of courage

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 4>to call those plays during a game, because what happens

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:25.600
<v Speaker 4>if they don't work?

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 6>You look like a fool.

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.120
<v Speaker 4>You know, some of those plays, like McCaffery one time,

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 4>he was so wide open he had time to catch

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 4>the ball, fall on the ground, get back up and

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 4>run another ten yards, a forty one yard touchdown. I mean,

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.319
<v Speaker 4>how does that happen? Nobody even knew he was over there.

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's you know, sometimes that's your job, is

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.839
<v Speaker 4>free safety. When you see everything in front of you,

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 4>and when you see there's a screw up, you got

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 4>to go. I gotta get deeper now because now I

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 4>got to play that. I got to play for that

0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 4>guy's responsibilities because no, but he should be that wide open,

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to run over there just in case

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 4>somebody throws the ball, which they did, and you know

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.760
<v Speaker 4>they just you could tell them the second half momentum.

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<v Speaker 6>Just switch so much in the crowd. The crowd just

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<v Speaker 6>they took the.

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<v Speaker 2>Game, all right.

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Our final question with Doug Plank the Great Chicago Bear

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<v Speaker 1>with Tom There, Jeff Jioniac Here and the Bears et

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<v Speaker 1>cetera podcast, So, have you called an Arizona Cardinal game

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<v Speaker 1>this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes or no?

0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 3>First?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we did?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what is what's your mini scouting report as

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears get ready to meet this three win team

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.359
<v Speaker 1>with Kyler Murray healthy and ready to roll.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, it's amazing because you don't really know,

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 4>you know what, what Colin Murray was going to show up.

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.879
<v Speaker 4>He's such a really talented person. I know he's had

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:45.440
<v Speaker 4>disagreements with the front office in terms of what the

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 4>summary some of the responsibilities or limited responsibilities that he

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 4>should have. But if he gets lose path line scrimmage,

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:54.839
<v Speaker 4>look out. He's a He's a beast. He can run

0:50:54.880 --> 0:51:00.280
<v Speaker 4>any direction, he's tough, he utilizes the sideline very well. Uh.

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I would say one thing about his game, although they've

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 4>got a real good they got a nice tight end.

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:06.759
<v Speaker 4>That's you know, done some good things over the last

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 4>couple of weeks. A lot of times there's a chance

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 4>for him to run on a pass play. As we

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 4>all know, if everything's covered, he's he's taught. Now here's

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 4>the other thing. When he takes off running, he doesn't

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 4>throw passes to the sideline because that takes time to

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 4>set up, set your feet, and now you're only looking

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.960
<v Speaker 4>at one direction, not the other. You could get hit.

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.960
<v Speaker 4>Most times, he's concerned about receivers to the inside of

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 4>the field because that goes with his taking off with

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 4>the ball out of a pocket. He likes in the

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 4>interior routes, crossing routes because if everybody's covered, he's through

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 4>that line so fast you can't even believe it. And

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 4>you know he's been hurt and he's had you know,

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 4>some medical attention, you know, recently, last couple of years.

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 4>And but no, I think it really should be an

0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 4>awesome game. But I would just say he's one weapon.

0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 4>If you give him the chances, you'll take advantage of it.

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Doug, we could talk to you forever.

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Your wealth of information and your exuberance and good health

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and good thoughts are certainly perfect for this holiday version

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of This bears cet our podcast. Thanks for taking the time,

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Big Doug. We miss you, Tom Hey.

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 6>Always a pleasure talking to you guys.

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Thank you you too, Doug, Thank you so much.

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas.

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 4>Thake care.

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 2>How much fun was that with Doug playing?

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:31.120
<v Speaker 5>He's awesome, Like could and we could do a whole

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 5>afternoon with him.

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Just amazing. The passion for the game. It's still there.

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's in his seventies, he's fit, as we

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 1>heard at the beginning of the show, but he's still

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 1>calling games on a national network on radio and does

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a great job and he watches everything, and that's a

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>football lifer. And he's made himself a great deal of

0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>post football career decisions in business, dabbled into coaching, finished,

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, all his head coaching opportunities, whether it be

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Arena league or in other venues. He finished with a

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 1>sixty five winning percentage, So he was a winning head

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:11.759
<v Speaker 1>coach and had some assistant jobs in the National Football League.

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:16.560
<v Speaker 5>But all people were afraid of him, you think, yeah,

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:25.919
<v Speaker 5>why yeah, because his toughness resonated in his personality and

0:53:26.320 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 5>he overshadowed some of the passive coaches that he worked with,

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 5>and they were intimidated about by his look.

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.120
<v Speaker 3>And his success and his demeanor.

0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:43.080
<v Speaker 5>His enthusiasm, his requirements, all that kind of stuff.

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Very interesting perspective. Bears fans, you could be there for

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.560
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0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.160
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0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.280
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<v Speaker 1>tickets today at ticketmaster dot com. All right, Tom, final

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>thought on Bear's Cardinals. So you got a key to

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the game in this one for us?

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, got a key to the game is the quarterback

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.959
<v Speaker 5>play of both of ye both quarterbacks. You know, Justin

0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:15.400
<v Speaker 5>has to be the dynamic decision making quarterback that he

0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:18.879
<v Speaker 5>has been since he's returned from the injury. He's got

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.319
<v Speaker 5>to understand to keeping you know, DJ Moore and Cole

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:26.840
<v Speaker 5>commit involved, don't forget about Darnel Moody. And then defensively,

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 5>you can't over commit to Kyler Murray. And you better

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 5>do things fundamentally perfect because you don't want to contribute

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.800
<v Speaker 5>to the escapability of Kyler Murray.

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>All right, that's going to wrap us up for our

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<v Speaker 2>show this week. For Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>There, I'm Jeff Joniac. Thanks to Doug Plank our guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Our Next Bears, Etc. Podcast comes up on Tuesday. We

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 1>will recap the Bears Cardinals game. Thanks for listening, and

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