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Speaker 1: Here we go on a Wednesday Thanksgiving Eve. Joel Clatt

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Speaker 1: five minutes lazing five is sixty percent on the nose

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Speaker 1: this year. If we could maintain that, be very very happy,

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Speaker 1: very very happy. There's a lot to talk about with

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt. He doesn't like the Lane Kiffin manipulation of

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Speaker 1: Old Miss And my take is always reputations in college

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Speaker 1: football are based on one thing. Are you available? Are

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Speaker 1: you a good coach? Two things? Are you available, can

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Speaker 1: you coach? You'll get a job. It was Brian Kelly

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Speaker 1: Ever in Charms School he got the LSU gig. I

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Speaker 1: mean it felt so weird, you got it LSU Florida. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll take that old Miss guy repute. I mean, not

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Speaker 1: like Lane Kevin at the best reputation and before LSU

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Speaker 1: was interested, Lancoln coach, he's really good. It's an offensive sport. Now,

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Speaker 1: all right, here we go sixteen percent in the year,

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Speaker 1: blazing five on a Wednesday. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazon fuck Packers

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Speaker 2: and Lions.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Two good teams. I'm gonna take the home team

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well. Lions minus two

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Speaker 1: and a half is my side. They've won six other

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Speaker 1: left eight against green Bay. They match up well, and

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Speaker 1: since Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the

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Speaker 1: NFL in the last three weeks in yards per play.

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Speaker 1: It's a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty

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Speaker 1: good at home. The Packers. Their three road wins have

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Speaker 1: come against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down,

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Speaker 1: but here's more troubling Jordan Love. Since Tucker Craft got

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Speaker 1: hurt fewer than two hundred passing yards, the team's averaging

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Speaker 1: nineteen points. Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win

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Speaker 1: and cover twenty eight to twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Forty nine ers in Browns.

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Speaker 1: I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and

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Speaker 1: a half. First of all, the Browns at home, excellent

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Speaker 1: defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league.

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett has thirteen sacks the last month. No other

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Speaker 1: player has more than thirteen the entire season. Good luck

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Speaker 1: Niners brought pretty multiple interceptions in four of his last

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Speaker 1: He has strung with ball security in crappy weather. I

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Speaker 1: also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I

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Speaker 1: think we saw enough from Shadur. I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 1: close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late,

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Speaker 1: but I like the points twenty four to twenty. San

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Speaker 1: Francisco take six and a half. Saint said Dolphins. I

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Speaker 1: actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off of bye.

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Speaker 1: They've won three out of the last four games. Credit

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball two

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Speaker 1: of back to back games over seventy percent completion percentage.

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Speaker 1: Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight,

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Speaker 1: they didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back

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Speaker 1: games has played well. I like Miami a lot in

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Speaker 1: this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league,

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Speaker 1: held under twenty points in six straight games. Again, smart

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Speaker 1: offensive coach at home off of by again the tire fire.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take the Dolphins to win and the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. Thirty three

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Speaker 1: to twenty three Cardinals, said Buccaneers. The buck stops here.

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Speaker 1: Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin back officially for

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Speaker 1: multiple snaps. I like Tampa to win and cover. Listen,

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Speaker 1: quit in them. We're scoring defense over the last three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot here to like. Buccaneers. Easier opponent at home,

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Speaker 1: of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense most turnovers

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Speaker 1: will find his picks in about two hours. His picks

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Speaker 1: in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State

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Speaker 1: and Michigan Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So last year,

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Speaker 1: did think he outthought the room. I think he'd been

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Speaker 1: different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: punch Michigan in the mouth. And it's like, just throw

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Speaker 1: And I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around,

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Speaker 1: They got a little tight late. I think if at

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yes, they're they're the better team, and

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Speaker 3: that's why the spread is where it was. But they were,

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Speaker 3: I would think, better by a wider margin a year ago.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they were twenty point favorites a year ago.

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Speaker 3: So to your point, they got sucked into a game

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Speaker 3: that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe. I think Will

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Speaker 3: Howard got banged up early in that game last year.

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Speaker 1: And so here's Ohio State. They get into the red

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Speaker 3: Two missfield goals, interception in the red zone. So those

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Speaker 3: mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game, and they

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Speaker 3: could have played the exact same style.

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Speaker 3: I think what they learned from that was what they

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Speaker 3: then put into action for the playoff. And Colin, you

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Speaker 3: They took shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early

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Speaker 3: the field. And obviously the health of those wide receivers

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Speaker 3: both be on the field. I think their effectiveness is

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Speaker 3: the field. But are they one hundred percent Can they

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Speaker 3: I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now, and

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Speaker 3: I think college football is about thirty to thirty five

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Speaker 3: percent NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it used to.

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Speaker 3: I said this before the Ohio State Texas game. If

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Speaker 3: Oregon Ohio State the year before. If it's close, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. They've scheduled it. I'm proud of both schools

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Speaker 1: I love that. My biggest knock on college football has

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Speaker 1: always been a lack of people willing to play. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's one thing that usually the people on these tables

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Speaker 1: and these boards get right. You can't lose to unranked

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with a much improved team by an inch

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Speaker 1: better than Miami. Miami stills to be pitt But I

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Speaker 3: I'm not bothered. I think listen, I think that two

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Speaker 3: committee's objective is just to give us the best teams,

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Speaker 3: and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on

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Speaker 3: a neutral site this week, yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame,

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Speaker 3: you know. So, like in that respect, do I disagree

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Speaker 3: with the ranking? No, But the committee is setting themselves

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Speaker 3: Then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit

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Speaker 3: there and have a beauty pageant and and look at

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either.

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Speaker 3: There's also another trap that this committee is falling into,

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Speaker 3: and it's not honoring those non conference games that you

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I do want to clarify just something really quickly, because

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Speaker 3: scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has, so that's a little

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Speaker 3: bit out of their control. What I would say is

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Speaker 3: more impressive is that they also scheduled Texas A and

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Speaker 3: m Well, you've got this team in Michigan that's sitting

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Speaker 3: They scheduled that game, did not buy out of that game,

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Speaker 3: and played it, and the committee is not honoring that

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Speaker 2: I see.

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Speaker 3: I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably

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Speaker 3: because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the

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Speaker 3: trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is

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Speaker 3: if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well,

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Speaker 3: who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend,

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Speaker 3: then they're not going to honor head to head, and

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Speaker 3: they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents,

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Speaker 3: which is bad for the sport moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree.

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Speaker 3: It's a tough It's a tough position because again I

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Speaker 3: don't disagree with the ranking, but it also speaks to

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, he doesn't have to leave.

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Speaker 3: And my last point would just be as a coach,

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Speaker 3: What the Dallas Cowboys call? Are you going to leave

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Speaker 3: say is listen. I like Lane, I think he's great

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Speaker 3: And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree,

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Speaker 1: Hey. By the way, I just want to make it clear,

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Speaker 3: No, I disagree. I see you out there. You got

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Speaker 1: have a great time. I can't wait to watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you, your whole staff, everybody listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have a great weekend. I mean

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan, Ohio

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Speaker 1: State in ann Arbor. It's just I mean, you know, rivalries,

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Speaker 1: there's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a

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Speaker 1: rivalry sport. I mean Kansas City Buffalo feels like something.

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of quarterback led I mean ten years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean Baseball Giants Dodgers, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are global. Dodgers. Yankees feels big. Michigan Ohio State

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Speaker 1: that is. That is goosebump stuff. That is. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the temperature down to my house like

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Speaker 1: forty one degrees. I don't care if the dogs are

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Speaker 1: upset and I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear a hoodie

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Speaker 1: and just to feel like I'm there.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 1: Good stuff Today, Kids table to the big adult table.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go at the end of the hour. Take

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Speaker 1: all these young quarterbacks. Some are still at the kids table.

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Speaker 1: At some point all of us in life graduate to

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Speaker 1: the adults table. Where is Jackson Dark cam War? Where

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Speaker 1: is chdor Standers. We'll have that in about fifteen minutes. First,

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Speaker 1: Jmac with the news.

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Speaker 2: No turn on the news. This is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: I would assume JJ McCarthy's probably eating with the dog outside, right,

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Speaker 6: something like that. Anyways, all right, let's get started with

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Speaker 6: the Chiefs. They're playing on Thanksgiving. I did not know

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Speaker 6: this is the first time in Patrick Mahomes's career he

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Speaker 6: will be playing on Thanksgiving. Casey visits Dallas. I got

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Speaker 6: some fun stuff on this game later on Colin in headlines.

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Speaker 6: I think he'll be surprised. Mahomes is from Texas. He's

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Speaker 6: gonna have a lot of friends and family at Jerry

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Speaker 6: will probably looking to put.

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Speaker 1: On a show.

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Speaker 6: Reportedly fifty people wow in the Mahomes orbit will be

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Speaker 6: at the game. Here he is talking about the excited

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Speaker 6: Thanksgiving game.

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Speaker 4: He grew up watching Thanksgiving games, no matter who you're

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Speaker 4: a fan of, if it's the Lions of Cowboys or

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Speaker 4: whoever's playing at night, I mean, he grew up watching

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Speaker 4: those games, and so I think as that kid in

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Speaker 4: me wants to be able to go out there and

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Speaker 4: play on Thanksgiving and find a way to win. And

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Speaker 4: obviously short week where we're growing in here right now

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Speaker 4: and getting the whole game plan in and making sure

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Speaker 4: everybody's prepared or ready to go. But I think we're

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Speaker 4: excited to get to go out there and play on

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving against a really good football team and the whole

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Speaker 4: world watch him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good game. I think you

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Speaker 1: have one really really good defense, one emerging defense, one

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Speaker 1: excellent offense, and one offense that's pretty good at home,

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Speaker 1: not as good in the road. I think it comes out.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very very good football game. It's

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Speaker 1: hard for me to take Kansas City. I think they're

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Speaker 1: the better team, but it is hard for me to

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Speaker 1: take them with the hook Dallas home getting the hook.

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Speaker 1: I probably take the Cowboys again. I regretted not taking

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Speaker 1: them against Philly because you talked me into it and

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do it, and it was the last

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Speaker 1: game I dropped and I made a mistake.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think the Chiefs have won on the

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Speaker 6: road since like the Tyreek Hill era. They're really struggling

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Speaker 6: on the road. Now, how about this, Colin, I give

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Speaker 6: you a little teaser here. So I just looked at

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Speaker 6: the chief schedule of the season. They have struggled on

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Speaker 6: the road. Can you believe This is their first indoor

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Speaker 6: game of the football season, first.

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Speaker 2: Indoor game on the fast track.

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Speaker 6: We get finally Worthy Rice could be so the over

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Speaker 6: it got smashed earlier this week. I don't know where

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Speaker 6: it is now, but I got fifty two. This could

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Speaker 6: be one of these, like, holy hell, it's forty thirty

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Speaker 6: seven kind of games because we haven't seen Worthy do

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Speaker 6: anything recently. But then you look at like, oh, it's

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Speaker 6: all outdoor games. He doesn't have that super edge. So

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Speaker 6: I'm very excited for this game. Next up, Colin, listen

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Speaker 6: to Lane kiffin saga. We followed this very close to yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Urban Meyer stopped by and gave his opinion on what

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Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin should do.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 5: This is on Chartered Waters though. To leave a team

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Speaker 5: that could potentially and you tell me other than Ohio

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Speaker 5: State maybe, and you have a and m Ohio State Indiana,

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you all misses right there. How do you

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Speaker 5: walk in that meeting and say, hey, guys, I'm not

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Speaker 5: only leaving, I'm going to be playing you next year.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Could take So when Signetti left JMU for Indiana, he

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Speaker 6: brought all his guys with him. Yeah, all I keep

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Speaker 6: hearing about LSU. You recruit, you get the best guys.

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Speaker 6: Would Lane even bring his guys from Ole miss or

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Speaker 6: would he just go get five star guys.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd bring ed Orgeron on as the he

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Speaker 1: would is the defensive line coach or defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give my take.

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Speaker 6: If they win this game the Egg Bowl, I think

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Speaker 6: he says if they lose, it makes it much easier

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Speaker 6: to leave because they're not a lock for the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Colin, if they lose this game and that game is

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Speaker 1: a five six point spray, I saw seven.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's going down.

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Speaker 6: But listen, you can't just walk into Stark Vegas and

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Speaker 6: expect to get a dub on Black Friday. This is

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Speaker 6: a tough one for Lane. I mean, listen, you've you've

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Speaker 6: jumped around. You keep talking about the old players. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I coached the mindset in the shows before you had

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Speaker 6: a big decision to make. Because I don't know he's

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Speaker 6: Lane locked in this for me.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's always is it good for the family,

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Speaker 1: Is it good for the trajectory of the career. If

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Speaker 1: it's two texts, then it's gone. It is good for

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Speaker 1: the career, good for the family, No for you know,

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Speaker 1: jusually family first, I say, and are you willing? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is it good for the career? Boom? I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: that's and this is a better job comes down to

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Speaker 1: the family. I mean that's I'm not saying I know

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it right or wrong. I'm just saying nobody

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Speaker 1: cares about I'll be a legend at Old Miss. That's

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Speaker 1: not what people care about that. I don't buy that.

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Speaker 6: So final question on this like, are you, I know

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Speaker 6: you root for chaos? That's your phrase, right interest? What

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Speaker 6: are you rooting for here? What's the most interesting because

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Speaker 6: I think we disagree.

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Speaker 1: I want Old Miss to get to the national championship

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Speaker 1: against Ohio State with Lane Kiffin or without Yeah, with.

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Speaker 6: Lane camera, I'm rooting from the state. Also kind of

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Speaker 6: a middle finger to LSU you guys, you get your

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Speaker 6: act together. No, thank you, I want no part of that.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Colin, Let's go back to Lamar Jackson. And

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Speaker 6: you know, listen, the running numbers for this guy are staggering.

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Speaker 6: It's almost like is he old? And then you look

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Speaker 6: at his agent like he's not even close to thirty. Colin,

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Speaker 6: These numbers are really bad this season. In eight starts,

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Speaker 6: he's averaging twenty nine rushing yards per game, and he's

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Speaker 6: getting sacked more. So is it less about he doesn't

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Speaker 6: want to run and get hurt or is he just

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Speaker 6: not as fleet afoot as he used to be? Look

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Speaker 6: on the screen there, he was rarely getting sacked. He's

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Speaker 6: not as elusive as he was before.

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Speaker 1: He is hurt, and players don't like to advertise they

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Speaker 1: are hurt. Rock Purty is not one hundred percent those

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Speaker 1: interceptions on Monday. Those those balls had no velocity at all.

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Speaker 1: Brock's not gonna go Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: He's not that kind of kid either, as Lamar. They're

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Speaker 1: both obviously Brock and Lamar are not at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And I'm a bigger Lamar fan than a Brock fan.

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Speaker 1: But go watch the Brock pretty interceptions on YouTube. All

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Speaker 1: of them are behind the receiver and hang in the air.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have a Josh Allen arm, but Brock's got

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Speaker 1: a better arm than that. Brock's hurt.

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Speaker 6: So do you believe on Monday the take will be

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Speaker 6: man Ravens. They could not beat the Bengals. They couldn't

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Speaker 6: get separation. They're out of the Super Bowl bubble or

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Speaker 6: holy cow, the Ravens woke up. Lamar was just sandbagging everybody,

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Speaker 6: and the Ravens kind of put it on the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they put it on them. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a division game and I'll take, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: six twenty or twenty eight twenty four. I would take

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Speaker 1: the I would take the dog. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: a very competitive divisional game and I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: watch Burro plays. Jmckle the news, Well, that's.

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Speaker 2: The news, and thanks for stopping that. It's the Herd

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Speaker 2: Line News.

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Speaker 1: There's all these young quarterbacks. There's Jackson Dart, There's Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: There's Bo Nicks, There's JJ McCarthy, there is Drake May,

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Speaker 1: there is Bryce Young, there is cam Ward, there's Schedure Sanders.

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Speaker 1: We all grow up eating the kids table. Are they

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Speaker 1: ready on Thanksgiving to go to the adult table? We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that coming up. It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: Thanksgiving Day, Fox is serving up a classic NSC North

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Speaker 6: rivalry as Jordan Love and the Packers take on Jared

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Speaker 6: Goff and the Lions. Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern

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Speaker 6: with the pregame show live on location from Detroit Thanksgiving

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Speaker 6: Day on Fox.

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Speaker 1: NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.

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Speaker 1: It takes a long time to go from a terrible

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Speaker 1: baseball team to a World Series team. But in the

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Speaker 1: NFL you can be the New England Patriots like a

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Speaker 1: Hazmatt spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,

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Speaker 1: Josh mcdowne, mccownt and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the sport

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Speaker 1: of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator, and

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Speaker 1: the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super Bowl contender.

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Speaker 1: But it's all centered. College football is about the coach.

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Speaker 1: Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all start Week

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Speaker 1: one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table

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Speaker 1: till they graduate to the Staff Efford table, or they

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Speaker 1: graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes, Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen table. So Jmack, let's determine kids table or adult

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Speaker 1: table for these young signal callers. All right, Colin, you

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Speaker 1: ready for this? Here we go.

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Speaker 6: Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?

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Speaker 1: For Drake Nate, he has already pivoted to the big

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Speaker 1: quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked

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Speaker 1: him thought. Leads the NFL in completion percentage at a

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Speaker 1: remarkable seventy one percent, best record in the NFL, already

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Speaker 1: has well over three thousand yards right now, he feels

650
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big,

651
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: accurate winning. So we're crowning him.

652
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it? All right?

653
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 6: Kids table or big quarterback table?

654
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: For Jackson Darton, He's still at the kids table, jmack.

655
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.

656
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: He's already you know. He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts,

657
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: which I am a fan of young quarterbacks using their

658
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow.

659
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: But right now, from the pocket, still have my doubts.

660
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: He's a risk taker. He moves well, a lot of confidence.

661
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: Probably one more Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a

662
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: glass of wine.

663
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 6: All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience.

664
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 6: Kids table or Big Quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.

665
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: He's at the Big Boy come four and zero in November.

666
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes and ten

667
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: or fewer interceptions over the last two years. You want

668
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: to hear the other ones, Stafford Lamar and your guy

669
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next to grandpa.

670
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is troubling.

671
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 6: Kids table or Big Quarterback table for BONICKX your other

672
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 6: best friend.

673
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Come on, adult table.

674
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 6: Not even enough?

675
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked

676
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game

677
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: winning drive last two seasons, top ten and wins, passing yards,

678
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: touchdown passes. I mean, come on, he is okay, he's

679
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: getting the leg.

680
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 6: You're the teaser. You're the teaser. I wish I had

681
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 6: in like eleventh grade biology. Kids table or Big Quarterback

682
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 6: table for Bryce.

683
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's

684
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid,

685
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: but you very early on. You were like, you were like,

686
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: he didn't look the part. Ninety or worst passer rating

687
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: in nine of his eleven starts, and I like his

688
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: coach and rico' daddell. He's got a couple of young

689
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but

690
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: he is twelve and twenty seven since he entered the league.

691
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: Kid's table not great.

692
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 6: We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway.

693
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 6: Kid's table or big quarterback table for JJ McCarthy.

694
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, in the second and third quarters this year, he

695
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: has a twenty seven passer rating, So I don't even

696
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,

697
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: the other kids let him go first and pick Oh

698
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.

699
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 6: It's early.

700
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: He'll he'll turn it around.

701
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 6: Kid's table or big quarterback table for cam Ward.

702
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him at the big boy tables. I

703
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: think he's really talented. I think he's not getting any help.

704
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: He's the most sacked quarterback they fired. Their coach. Reminds

705
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear mess.

706
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Last year. The Bears had more players I think I

707
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: think cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, it's finally coming around.

708
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: But last year Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. Twenty touchdown,

709
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: six picks. This is a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran.

710
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: He's growing on me. I'm not saying he gets the

711
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first at

712
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: the adult table. But I'm gonna put him there. I

713
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: think he's I see, I see some potential stardom. Yeah,

714
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: I agree.

715
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 6: Finally kids table or big quarterback table for Shedeur Sanders, Neither.

716
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: We're putting him at a new table.

717
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: The legendary tale every quarterback? Is it a height cher

718
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: news legendary? Hey led the NFL last week yards per attempt?

719
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 6: Wow?

720
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: Last week? You know what?

721
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: I took some uh some of the motif on his

722
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: draft room legendary. I just moved it over to Thanksgiving.

723
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Did you just use motif on a sports show?

724
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, coward in his bag here? Listen to Chadur.

725
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: The Chadeur for five online is coming after you for this.

726
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Boy. Damn, I will say this.

727
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: He did you know my rule on quarterbacks? If your

728
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: college problem is your NFL problem you're in trouble. Johnny

729
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Manzel ran around too much. You watch them in the pros,

730
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, yeah, that that stuff is not gonna work. Uh.

731
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL,

732
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: it's my only criticism of him. Gotta be a little

733
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: bit more accurate. Yeah, does the Legendary table eat before

734
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: the kids table?

735
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 6: Or no?

736
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: You know it's it's somewhere in between. Okay, all right,

737
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: all right, you could they do serve wine at the

738
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: legendary table? Oh really win not at the kids table? Okay,

739
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: all right, But here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders.

740
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week,

741
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: I saw Colorado Shaduer and I thought Colorado Shoulder was

742
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: a mid first mid second round pick. He moves better

743
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a

744
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: pocket quarterback. He has a couple spin moves. He moves.

745
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: He's not as quick to me as like a bow knicks.

746
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: He's not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete.

747
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: He has a average to average plus arm. By the way,

748
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I

749
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski,

750
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: but one of the things, j Max, that you and

751
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage

752
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, Yeh

753
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: bow Knicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Raheem Morris, that's who Mike

754
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: Pennix gets right now, you.

755
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: Can Yeah, how come Penix?

756
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 6: Is it? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.

757
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do

758
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: with that.

759
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: So I need to ask you.

760
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 6: So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in

761
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 6: the league, couldn't do anything against the Robert sala defense.

762
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 6: If Shaduur goes out and has a passable game against

763
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: Salah and the Niners, then there's she's really gonna freak out.

764
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 6: People are gonna be like, this is your starter next year.

765
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: So just be ready for that because Sunday, the slate

766
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 6: is not great. All the good teams are fired on

767
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving Day. So Shaduur could have a game against Salah

768
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 6: at home. It's inclement weathers, so maybe that's uh, maybe

769
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 6: that'll throw a wrinkle in.

770
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: That but yeah, I think I think. I feel like

771
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: some of the Chaduur stuff is a little bit like Tibau.

772
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very

773
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: fanatical you know following. It's very tribal. The difference is,

774
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: I think Chadur throws an NFL ball. I think I

775
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: think Tibo was always a little bit in terms of

776
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability

777
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: is understated. And the aird thing about Shadur that I like,

778
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I

779
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: wish he was a little more serious.

780
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 6: He's what is he twenty three years old?

781
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: Oh but we've always said it's not fair, but I

782
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't

783
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: need I don't care about any interposition. There are certain

784
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: things in life. If you're working in the ICU in

785
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be at

786
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: Senior Froggy's the night before knocking down twelve tequilas. I

787
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: need you to be a grown up. There are Pilot,

788
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: you can't be out at the bar night before if

789
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: you're twenty five year old. Pilot pilot surgeons quarterbacks. I'm sorry,

790
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: it's unfair. You have to be more mature. That's part

791
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: of it, right, Surgeon pilot, quarterback, you have to be

792
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: a different twenty four.

793
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 6: The two occupations that literally save lives, and then a

794
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: quarterback who throws a pig skin.

795
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, god, it makes sense. Another one of

796
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: my analogies that nailed it all right. Our number three

797
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: coming up, Bunna Winds