1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: So it doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Double 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: digit wins is not an automatic entry into the playoffs. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Just asked the twenty twenty four Seattle Seahawks God Zacher's 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: been with me will be joined by John Boyle, Senior 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: reporter for Seahawks dot Com. It's time to begin our 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: off season tradition, taking a look around the rest of 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: the NFC West. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight ninety seven, 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 3: Puda Baker, What Heart? 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 4: What rent? 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: dot Com slash podcast. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: He's it again. 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: Some more Hurry magic. 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcreolo. 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: And the Spirits Bill Belichick, We too here on Cardinals 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Zach, 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: we believe in no days off. 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: No what's the day off? 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: That is true? You don't. We don't get many of them, 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: and it's not and it's not it's not time off. 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: Remember what Jonathan Gannon said. It's not time off, it's 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: time away. 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: And sometimes time away is good because it lets the 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: body recharge, and you know, it gets the gets the 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: mentals right. But we just love Cardinals Cover two so 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: much that we can't stay away. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: And it's not so much for us the physical nature, 33 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: it's just the mental break. I mean, there's nothing physical 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: about Cardinals Cover two. 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: But my mentals are always the best one ever. I'm 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: with you, so I'm actually doing myself a service by 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: being here. 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: You clip that, Cody appreciate that for the preseason, and. 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: All the listeners are like, God, give it up, already, 40 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: talk some football, all right. 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: So before we all enjoy the fourth of July holiday 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: and hopefully it's an extended holiday weekend for many of you, 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Bird Gang, we do this every time or every year, 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: at this time, we ask what is going on outside 45 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: our bubble, what is happening with the other three teams 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: in the NFC West. First stop, the Seattle Seahawks. We 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: had a chance to speak with John Boyle, senior reporter 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks Seahawks dot com, and this is 49 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: a Seahawks team that a year ago Zach missed the 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: postseason despite ten wins and having a first year head coach, 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: and this offseason the changes involved their quarterback and their 52 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver room. But this is a team that many 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: believe could take another step forward in year two under 54 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald. 55 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of returning faces on the defensive side 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: of the ball, a completely new offense on that side 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: of the ball. But look, when you think about it 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty four season. We're going to talk 59 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: about it with John Boyle in a little bit. That 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: game against the Los Angeles Rams week seventeen, when when 61 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray you know, threw a rocket and it hit 62 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: off of Trey McBride's face mask and the Los Angeles 63 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 3: Rams were able to have that interception that all but 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: clinched them winning the division the NFC West. If that 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: result would have been different, the Cardinals would have won 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: that game. It was the Seahawks division to win, so 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: a lot they were very close, and with a new 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: head coach and Mike McDonald, it's encouraging for that team 69 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: and there are going to be one to watch as 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five rolls along. 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: It's the one team the Cardinals could not they'll figure 72 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: out within the division last season, so we'll see if 73 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: that changes in twenty twenty five. And that's again you 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: have to be able to take care of home field 75 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: and then you hopefully get one on the road at 76 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: some point least split within the division. 77 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: Not only that, the games against the Seattle Seahawks is 78 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: really when the tides start to shift with the Arizona Cardinals. 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: You go into that bye week and Week eleven and 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: you're you're in first place in the division. You're feeling 81 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: all the Then you go to a rainy Seattle and 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: they end up beating you, and that's when the skid began, 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: because then you go to Minnesota and you put up 84 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: a great fight. The defense controlled Sam Darnold quite well 85 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: in that game, but the offense wasn't able to put 86 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: points on the scoreboard. And then you come back to 87 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 3: State Farm Stadium the following week, which was very interesting 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: to play the Seahawks twice in three weeks, and you 89 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 3: end up falling in that game as well. So that 90 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: is really when the tides started to shift and start 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: to change with the Arizona Cardinals. It's kind of been 92 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 3: the kryptonite of the Cardinals has been Gino Smith. Now 93 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: he's no longer in the picture. We'll talk with John 94 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: about that as well. So twenty twenty five, the Cardinals 95 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: are going to have Seattle Thursday night football primetime matchup. 96 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: That's gonna be their chance to get their get back. 97 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cardinals will see the Seahawks team in Week 98 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: four for the first time and get a look at 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: all the different changes and changes that we talked about 100 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: with John Boyle. So how about we hear about all 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: of what has happened in Seattle in this offseason. Here's 102 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: our conversation with John. So before we talk about what's 103 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: been happening, John, can we talk about how last season ended. 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: How did the Seahawk fan process not making the playoffs 105 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: despite a ten win season. 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think there's some mixed feelings about it. 107 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: Some people look at, hey, you didn't make the playoffs again, 108 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: so you fell short. But I think the more fair 109 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 4: assessment that a lot of fans are looking at is 110 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: you made some very big changes, most notably at head coach, 111 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 4: and still won ten games, missed the playoffs on a tigebreaker, 112 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: and most importantly finished the season on a strong note. 113 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 4: They went through some struggles midway through the year. I 114 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: think at one point they lost four or five or 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: five or six, and then they finished win six or 116 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 4: the last eight. That defense that Mike McDonald was brought 117 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: in here to really help make the team go. The 118 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: defense got a lot better in the second half of 119 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: the season. So you know, there's obviously a lot we 120 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: got to find out about this offense. Well, we'll get 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: to those changes, but I think people feel really good 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 4: about the direction the team's going in a big picture 123 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: under Mike McDonald after his so. 124 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: A new head coach last offseason, a new quarterback this offseason. 125 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Gino Smith traded, which Zach we and you and I 126 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 1: were discussing. We're big fans of this because Gino Smith 127 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: undefeated against the Cardinals, so we like that move. What 128 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: do we think of Sam Donald and his signing with 129 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. 130 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Seahawks are really excited about Sam Darnold. Obviously, 131 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: he's coming off a you know, season in which he 132 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: made the Pro Bowl and helped the Vikings win fourteen games. 133 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 4: It's been an interesting offseason because you know, I don't 134 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 4: think it was just you know, the GM and coach 135 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: making up stories at the combine when they told us 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: like they they're hoping to resign Geno Smith and extend 137 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: him and DK Metcalf and go forward with those guys. 138 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: But I give the front offs a lot of credit, 139 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: like when they recognized things weren't going that way, they 140 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 4: were able to pivot quickly to Okay, if we let 141 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: this drag on and don't get a deal done, we're 142 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: going to be in a bad spot. Whereas by making 143 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 4: those trades at the start of the league year, you're 144 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 4: able to go out and get the best quarterback available 145 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: free agency in Sam Donald. You're able to go out 146 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 4: and get Cooper Cup. You know, they knew the Rams 147 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: were likely going to cut him and that is what 148 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: came to fruition. So big changes. But they're excited about 149 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 4: Sam Darnald. You know, he worked with the new Seahawks 150 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak in San Francisco when he was 151 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: the backup there, so they've got a little bit of 152 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: background on him coming in. But yeah, it's you know, 153 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: it's big changes, and you know a lot of staff 154 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: fans really like Gino Smith, so it's tough on those 155 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: fans to take. But I do think there's a lot 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: optimism about what this offense can be with a new 157 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: scheme and with the new people they brought in. 158 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: See, it just shows how much could change in the NFL. 159 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: And just the span of a few weeks because Clint 160 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: Kobiac comes in and he says they have a lot 161 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: of really good players over there in Seattle and rattles 162 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: off Gino Smith and DK Metcalf And then a few 163 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: weeks later, Gino Smith is on his way to Las Vegas. 164 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: But with Sam Darnold, how has he begun to learn 165 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: Clint Kubiak's system and how much does it help knowing 166 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: that everybody's kind of in this together, knowing that they're 167 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: learning a new offense. 168 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, this talk when when they resigned, Drew Locke I 169 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: talked to him about this and he said, it's it's 170 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: an interesting thing, like all three quarterbacks are learning a 171 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: new offense at the same time. It's not where you 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 4: have one or two guys who were back in returning 173 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: guys and one guy learning. So they've in Donald spoken 174 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: this too, like it's a good experience for them to 175 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: kind of all be going through this together. Now, Donald 176 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: does have a little bit of a leg up because 177 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: what Kubiak is gonna run here will have a lot 178 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: of overlap with both what he did in San Francisco 179 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: and also what you know, what Kevin O'Connell is doing 180 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: in Minnesota because he's in that Shanahan coaching tree as well. 181 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 4: So I do think, you know, Donald's probably little heading 182 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 4: this offense than the other two guys, but they're all 183 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 4: going through this together, learning it, and I think you 184 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 4: know that the Seahawks are really excited about, you know, 185 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: what the scheme can be, how it can help the 186 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: run game, and just sort of, you know, get this 187 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 4: offense more balanced, a little tougher, you know, more physical 188 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 4: than it was a year ago. 189 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: Before we move on to the rest of the offense, 190 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: there is another quarterback I've got to ask about, and 191 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: that is third round pick Jalen Milrow. Well, I was 192 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: reading watching there was a question asked McDonald about Milrow 193 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and he kind of dismissed it as far as starting 194 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: ahead of Donald. But once upon a time there was 195 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: a young quarterback in Seattle who started ahead of a 196 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: free agent veteran in Russell Wilson. So is this something 197 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: that was just picked out of thin air by the 198 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: media up there, or is there a real competition or 199 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: is it now that's a future pick. 200 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a future pick with a 201 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: side of he can help you now in some packages 202 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 4: because he's such an outstanding athlete. I get that comparison. 203 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 4: A lot of people have brought it up, and I 204 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 4: see it, you know, free agent quarterback versus a third 205 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: round pick. But two big differences I think people are missing. 206 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: There is Matt Flinn in twenty twelve. It started like 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 4: two games, and Sandronald's a guy who just started a 208 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: whole He's started a ton of games and he's coming 209 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: off a Pro Bowl season in which he was the 210 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: starter for the whole year. And the other big thing 211 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: is is great as I think Jenilen Milroe can be 212 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: all the tools he has, the athleticism, he's got a 213 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: huge arm. Russell Wilson was a much more polished passer 214 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: coming out of call. He was much more ready I 215 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 4: think for the NFL in terms of as a thrower. 216 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 4: So it's not really an apples apples thing to me. Again, 217 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 4: Milroe is a super excited player and just an outstanding kid. 218 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: I mean a little bit. I've gotten to talk to him. 219 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: He is really smart. You can tell he's a leader. 220 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: You can tell he's very polished being in a big 221 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 4: program like Alabama, so as they kind of give him 222 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: some time to grow in this offense, not having to 223 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 4: be the starter, I think that the ceiling is huge 224 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 4: for him. But yeah, I don't think there's any real 225 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: question of who's starting this season. 226 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think so either, But I found it interesting 227 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: that conversation that was happening based off what had happened 228 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: previously in twenty twelve with the Seattle Seahawks. But back 229 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: to Darnold, who's protecting him? How many jobs are open 230 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: along that offensive line? 231 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean tackle should be said, as long as 232 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: everyone's healthy. You've got Charles Cross, former first round pick, 233 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: coming back, and then Abe Lucas who was in that 234 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 4: same draft classes as Cross, really good rookie year, and 235 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: then he's bout some knee problems, but he's finally this 236 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: has been his first healthy offseason. He's looked really good 237 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 4: out there, So those seem pretty set. It's gonna be 238 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: a pretty big surprise at the first round pick. Grey's 239 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: abel is not the starting left guard. He's you know, 240 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: they're plugging him in there right away. He's obviously got 241 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 4: to earn it and hold on to that role. But 242 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: I again, i'd be pretty surprised if he's not. So really, 243 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: the two competitions are center and right guard. Center Olu 244 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: Oluis Timmy finished the year in that starting job after 245 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: Connor Williams was kind of a mid season big surprise 246 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 4: by retiring, and Olu is solid. They they really like 247 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: what he can be, you know, standout player in college, 248 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: you know, really smart guy, a good leader on that line. 249 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 4: He'll be competing most likely with Jaln Sondell, who was 250 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: an undrafted guy last year, super athletic, played all over 251 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 4: the line. It was a left tackle to finish his 252 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: college career, but can really play anywhere and the athleticism 253 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 4: really fits that zone scheme. And then right guard, you know, 254 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 4: they've got a few different guys. Anthony Bradford started the 255 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 4: most there last year but battled some injuries. He is 256 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: probably battling with Christian Haynes, a third round pick last year. 257 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: There's a guy named Setela Laumeya who started some games 258 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 4: last year as a rookie. And then even you know, 259 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: there's a possibility that someone like Sundell, who's played everywhere, 260 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 4: if he's not the starting center, could work his way 261 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 4: into that competition. They also drafted a couple of guys 262 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: in the later round, so that right guard and center 263 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: spots are gonna be pretty real competitions, and I think 264 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: the other three it'd be surprising if they don't go 265 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 4: the way we're thinking they will. 266 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: Now you mentioned Gray's abel, and I think a lot 267 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: of Cardinals fans were introduced to him when he was 268 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: projected in one of Daniel Jeremiah's mock drafts to go 269 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: to the Cardinals at sixteen, and a lot of people 270 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: are saying, in North Dakota State Bison a Division one 271 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: double A prospect, how is he going to integrate into 272 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: the interior offensive line? Obviously the Cardinals go into your 273 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: defensive line with Walter Nolan, but during a time during 274 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: OTAs and mandatory mini camp where offensive lineman nobody's in pads, 275 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: they can't really show too much of that physicality. But 276 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 3: just how much has Gray is able been able to 277 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: show so far? 278 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean the two things You're right, you can't. 279 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 4: I mean, there's so much you can't show without pads on. 280 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: But the two things that have really you know, made 281 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 4: coaches happy so far is just like the learner he 282 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: is and the attitude he has and the way he's 283 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 4: approaching it. And then also the athleticism can show up. 284 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 4: I mean just you know, coaches talking about him being 285 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: like his get off at the snap is as good 286 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: as anybody on that line, and you watch them when 287 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: they're you know, doing stuff that puts the linemen in motion. 288 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: He he moves very well. So yeah, he's a guy 289 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 4: that you know, obviously being from a smaller school, people 290 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 4: want to question that, but I think his senior Bowl 291 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: for you know, not just Seahawks, but a lot of 292 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 4: the NFL really era Saint Dallas, when he was going 293 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: out and dominating guys and in one on one drills 294 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: and all that against some of the best competitions. So yeah, 295 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: he's a guy. I mean, he's checked every box so 296 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: far for the Seahawks. The big test for him will 297 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 4: come when they put the pads on, and when when 298 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 4: and you start getting much more physical. But they love 299 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 4: what they've seen so far. 300 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: We began this conversation talking about the big change at quarterback, 301 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: but maybe the biggest surprise has been the change at 302 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Tyler Lockett released, DK Metcalf, traded. You mentioned 303 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is now in that room. It sounds odd 304 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: to say, how odd is it to see on the field. 305 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: It is, I mean both. I mean, Tyler Lockett was 306 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: here a decade, so him not being here is weird 307 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: in its own way. But that was probably the least 308 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: surprising the moves. Just one of those that, unfortunately you 309 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: can look at the cap number and kind of see 310 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: where that one was probably headed. And even Tyler, I mean, 311 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: he was pretty open talking about it late in the 312 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: season that he knew, you know, this could be his 313 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: last game, this could be his last home game, all 314 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: those kind of benchmarks along the way. So I mean, 315 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: all time great Seahawks and fans love him and will forever. 316 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: But that one maybe was less surprising. But yeah, the 317 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: DK Metcalf one, we you know, I think everyone thought 318 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 4: they were gonna try to get an extension done but 319 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: just didn't work out. And as John Schnei explained it, 320 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: Metcalf just told him that he want a fresh start 321 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: and want to be traded, so they made that happen. 322 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: Once that happened, Cooper Cup seemed like a very real possibility, 323 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: both because his availability and then you can connect the 324 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: dots to the local ties. He grew up in Yakamal, 325 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 4: which is about an hour and a half away, and 326 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 4: went to college at Eastern Washington, which is in the state, 327 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: so kind of a fun homecoming for him. There's, you know, 328 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: understandably there's gonna be the questions about his health, but 329 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 4: he's still been really productive when healthy, and he coming 330 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: into this offseason healthy and looking great, so they're excited 331 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: about him. But yeah, it's going to be a very 332 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: different positioner mother than Jackson Smith and Jigba, who was 333 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: really by the end there he was their number one 334 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: guy in terms of production last year. 335 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: One more question about the offense before I let Zach 336 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: turn it over to the defense, and that's running back 337 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker and Zach Sharboney near identical numbers last season. 338 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: The Walker did miss much of the back half of 339 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: last season, So I ask you, as you go into 340 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: what is going to be this offseason break and training up, 341 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: who is RB one. 342 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 4: It's still Ken Walker as long as he gets healthy. 343 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 4: He's doing the real minor ankle thing. He was doing 344 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 4: a little bit in mini camp but wasn't full go 345 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: by any means. But you know, this offense is what 346 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 4: they say, it's going to be what they want it 347 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 4: to be. I think they're looking at as sort of 348 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: a one A and one B thing where it's you 349 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: want both of those guys to touch the ball a 350 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: lot because you want to run the ball a lot. 351 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: I mean, that's weird. When we talked to Abe Lucas, 352 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: I've said this few times, I think more important than 353 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: anything we saw in obvistly work as of what we 354 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 4: heard from players, and like Abe Lucas was talking about, 355 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: running the ball is going to be non negotiable in 356 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: this offense, and he talked about how they're you know, 357 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 4: they're not going to do a ton of things, but 358 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: they're gonna be e leade at certain things and running 359 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: the ball is going to be one of them. So 360 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 4: that big emphasis on the run game this year should 361 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: create opportunities for both those guys. And as everyone knows 362 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: who watched the NFL, the the unfortunate reality of that 363 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: position in particular is like guys get banged up. It's 364 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: such a physical position. So you know, i'd say going 365 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: into Week one, you expect Kenneth Walker to be your 366 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: top guy and get the most touches, but I would 367 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 4: think Pulp those guys will factor very prominently into the 368 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: offense all season. 369 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, came over at the defense. I have to start 370 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 3: by asking about NICKI man, Warriy. You have this guy 371 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 3: coming in from South Carolina, all American talent, and now 372 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: he gets to go to a defensive minded head coach 373 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: like Mike McDonald, who has made guys like Kyle Hamilton 374 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: and Marlon Humphrey during his time in Baltimore be those 375 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: all pro caliber talents that we saw out there on 376 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: the East coast. Just how has Nick started to embrace 377 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: Mike McDonald's scheme. And I know you, I think you 378 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: wrote about just the versatility and how they're moving him 379 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: all over. What have you been able to see so far? 380 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's one of the more in I mean, 381 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 4: Gray is able to obviously the first round pick, so 382 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: and he's going to probably start and play be an 383 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: every down player, So he's probably gonna have the biggest 384 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: impact in that way. But when you look at this 385 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 4: rookie class, maybe the most intriguing guy and really on 386 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: the whole defense, given his versatility, and we don't know 387 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 4: how they're gonna use him. Is Nick Nick even Worriy. 388 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: He's a guy that you know, they had a first 389 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 4: round great on him. They were taught calling teams eight 390 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: on Thursday of the draft about moving up to try 391 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 4: to go get him. Trade didn't work out, but they 392 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: were able to go up and get him early in 393 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 4: the second round and instead. But yeah, I mean, they've 394 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 4: got two safeties they really like in Julian Love and 395 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant, so they're not necessarily going to force him 396 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 4: into a starting role right away. But you know, we 397 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 4: saw it in Baltimore, we saw glimpses of it last year. 398 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 4: If they've got three safeties they like Mike McDonald will 399 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: get find ways to get all three on the field. 400 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 4: And that's especially true when you have a guy that 401 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 4: big and fast, who you know, we've seen him already 402 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: playing in the box. They talked about him being kind 403 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 4: of a Nickel type guy. They've put him on the 404 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 4: edge a few times the Russia passers. So you mentioned 405 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton, that's obviously an easy comparison because of the 406 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 4: Mike McDonald connection and kind of the size and athleticism 407 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: but more an inning right now what he's really winning 408 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 4: them over with how much he's eager to learn. Julian 409 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 4: Love talked about how much they've been talking. Mike McDonald 410 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: was joking that he just shows up in his office 411 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 4: unannounced and just walks in and is you know, kind 412 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: of bugging him too much? Almost? But it's yeah, I mean, 413 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 4: he's the guy they're very excited about. I don't think 414 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 4: they know yet exactly what his role will be, but 415 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 4: there's a lot of different things he could do to 416 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: help the defense. 417 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: Another addition, defensive end to Marcus Lawrence. After eleven seasons 418 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, he's now up there on the Pacific 419 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Northwest and it's a lot of familiarity on that defensive 420 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: side of the ball. But with him coming in as 421 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: far as a role, is it more of a part 422 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: time role or do you see him maybe having a 423 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: significant role on that defensive front. 424 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's not gonna mean every down guy, 425 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: and they don't really want anyone on that line to 426 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: be that's one of their deeper position groups. If you 427 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: kind of add outside linebacker in with the with the 428 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 4: defensive front, they you know, I think he'll kind of 429 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 4: be in a rotation with sort of the top four 430 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: edge guys. I think you're gonna see be Chennan Duosu Boy, Mafe, 431 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: Derek Hall, and then also DeMarcus Lawrence. So it's like, 432 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 4: you don't need him to be playing seven eighty snaps, 433 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 4: but they see a big role for him. He's a 434 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 4: guy who's been very disruptive in the run game. He's 435 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: a good pass rusher, and you know, they love the 436 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 4: veteran experience. He can bring that group as well. But 437 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: it's kind of an ideal situation where he can really contribute, 438 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: but you don't need him. You've got the depth there, 439 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 4: you don't need him to just be doing it all 440 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: every snap. 441 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: Can we make sure Leonard Williams is not on the 442 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: field every snap? I mean, he was a real problem 443 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: in the two games against the Cardinals. We need him 444 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: off the field. 445 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean his finished the last season was pretty fantastic, 446 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: and he's, uh, you know, obviously a long time veteran 447 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: and if anything, I I you know, I'd hate to 448 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 4: worry you or anything, but I think he's gonna come 449 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 4: this year a little more pissed off and with a 450 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 4: chip on his shoulder than even last year because he 451 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 4: was left off the All Pro teams and did not 452 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: make the Pro Bowl until he was a late addition 453 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 4: as a as an injury placement, to which he went. 454 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 4: But you could tell he was kind of like, well, 455 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 4: I should have been in the first place, so he'll 456 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: have a little extra motivation coming in the air. But yeah, 457 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: he's a guy that you know, when I talked about 458 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: that defensive line depth, they love him because he's so 459 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 4: productive and they can use him in so many different roles. 460 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: He can kind of line up all over the field. 461 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: Craig, we could talk about how you might not want 462 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: to have big cat Leonard Williams out there, but then 463 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: there's people projecting Byron Murphy the Second is going to 464 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: be the breakout player on the defensive line for the 465 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks. John, what have you seen from that year 466 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: one to year two jump? I know that that's something 467 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: that us in the building here have talked a lot 468 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: about with players like Marvin Harrison Junior and Darius Robinson. 469 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: But for the twenty twenty four first round pick, Byron 470 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: Murphy the Second, how has that year two jump look 471 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: so far? 472 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean it's again kind of like when we're talking 473 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 4: about the offensive line. There's only so much a D 474 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 4: lineman can show in a practice of no pads on. 475 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, they're expecting. I mean, you talked to coach 476 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 4: about him last year and the numbers weren't there. I mean, 477 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 4: it statistically is a pretty choe fear. But they loved 478 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: what he was doing. They were just partly because of 479 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: the Leonard Williams Biron, Murphy wasn't getting a lot of 480 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 4: pass rush situations because kind of that role was that 481 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 4: interior pass rush was usually going to Byron really and 482 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, Jaron Reid, who had a really 483 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: good vetterner in another really good year. But yeah, they're 484 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: expecting more out of him. They're out defensive coordinator Adam 485 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 4: Dirday and also Mike mcwollugh have talked about, you know, 486 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: wanting to find more ways to highlight his abilities, let 487 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 4: him rush to passer more. 488 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: So. 489 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 4: I think that year two leap he's probably the guy 490 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 4: they're counting on to make the biggest leap and really 491 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 4: go from being you know, solid into your guy who 492 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 4: was quietly having a good season to guy who's making 493 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: some flashy plays and really showing up on the. 494 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: Stat sheet, I mentioned the familiar familiarity on that side 495 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: of the ball, and I took it right off your 496 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: story on seahawks dot com about the ten of eleven 497 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: starters coming back. And then the quote that you had 498 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: from Ernest Jones telling you and the media up there 499 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: that the defense is quote going to be something crazy. 500 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: How much is this Seahawks team going to be maybe 501 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: leaning on that defense or is it a nice balance 502 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: with the offensive changes and the defense and the continuity 503 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. 504 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're they're you know, obviously they're the 505 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: goal going in is to be balanced. They're expecting this 506 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 4: offense under Clint Kubiak to be, you know, really really 507 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: compliment what they want to do defensively, be tough, run 508 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: the ball, but also be explosive. So, by no means 509 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: are they just saying we're going to lean on our 510 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 4: defense and the offense can do whatever it wants. Like 511 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 4: they expect all three phases to contribute. But that being said, 512 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 4: like you, if this team is going to be, you know, 513 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 4: go from ten wins and missing the playoffs to maybe 514 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: twelve wins and contending for the division, I think it's 515 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: gonna because they're going to have one of the league's 516 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 4: best defenses. I mean, as you said, it's ten to 517 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 4: eleven guys who fish here as starters are back and 518 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 4: the one change is Draymont Jones is gone and DeMarcus 519 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: Lawrence is then replacing him. But it's the fact that 520 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 4: you know that defense is hard to learn. It's you know, 521 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 4: you look at Baltimore after Mike McDonald got there year 522 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: one to year two in his defense when he was coordinator, 523 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: I should say, was a big leap there. And you 524 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: know early last season they started strong, they went through 525 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: and oh and then they really struggled for a while. 526 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: They weren't stopping the run. They were you know, pretty 527 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: media ycre statistically across the board. Then over that last 528 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: eight game stretch in which the team went six and two, 529 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 4: they were you know, top five defense in terms of 530 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 4: points allowed, yards allowed, passing defense. So they're expecting to 531 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 4: pick up where they left off, if not be even better. 532 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 4: And really, you know, with that continuity a second year 533 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 4: Mike McDonald's scheme, and then also just personnel wise, a 534 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: lot of continuity, not too much on the guys they add, 535 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: they really sick this defense to be able to carry 536 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 4: the team if they need it. 537 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: To last one. For me, John, how strange is it 538 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: after fourteen seasons to see Pete Carroll roaming the sidelines 539 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: of a different organization. 540 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's definitely a little different, but I mean 541 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: I love it. I'm happy for Pete. I mean, he 542 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: obviously did amazing things here, brought the teammate's first Super 543 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 4: Bowl and you know, just great guy, establish a great 544 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 4: culture here. I'll always root for him, So seeing him 545 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 4: get that chance, I'm very happy. You know, you always 546 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 4: worry with an older coach that even if he's capable 547 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 4: of the job, nobody's gonna take that chance on him. 548 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: So happy for him to do it. Glad it's in 549 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 4: the AFC so I can kind of root or him 550 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: without it necessarily affecking the Seahawks. But yeah, I mean 551 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 4: it's it's a little strange to see, for sure, after 552 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 4: so long here, but mostly just really happy for him 553 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 4: to get that chance, and also cool to see him 554 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: and Gino doing it together. 555 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: Now, Well, you're a great guy, John. Always appreciate the time, 556 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: the information. Good to catch up and enjoy what you 557 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: have left of the offseason. 558 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 4: Thank you very much. 559 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: You as well, always appreciate John Boyle again, senior reporter 560 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks Seahawks dot com. You can follow 561 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: him at John P. 562 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Boyle. 563 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Always has good information. Although I didn't like the fact 564 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: that he pushed back on the Leonard Williams narrative that 565 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to forecast into the future, because again, that's 566 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: that's been the It's the interior push along that defensive 567 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: front that has given Kyler Murray trouble regardless of team, 568 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: but specifically in those two games against the Seahawks, Leonard 569 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: Williams was a problem. 570 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: He certainly was. And and to go back to the 571 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: point I made earlier on the show, that is really 572 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: when you start to see some of the areas that 573 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: the Cardinals need to improve on start to get exposed 574 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: a little bit, especially that interior offensive line pressure. Isaiah 575 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: Adams was still learning the position. You had Tristan Cologne 576 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: also getting some snaps there at right guard, and Leonard 577 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: Williams truly had his way, and I think he made 578 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 3: such an impact in that first game in Week twelve 579 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 3: that he was in the back of everybody's mind and 580 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: in the front of everybody's mind when they came in 581 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 3: Week fourteen to State Farm Stadium, and he still was 582 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: able to make the most of it with him talking 583 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 3: with John mentioning how he's still playing with that chip 584 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: on the shoulder and now it might have even grown 585 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: even more. That's gonna be, you know, a player to 586 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: watch out for in twenty twenty five. And something also 587 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: that John wrote about on the Seahawks website was about 588 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: how their defensive room, especially in the defensive line, they've 589 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: been talking about their whys a lot during the offseason, 590 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: and they've been showing photos of family photos of them 591 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: and as kids playing the sport reminded them of why 592 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 3: they actually got into this game. When you look at 593 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: a connected team, we talk about the Cardinals being a 594 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: very connected group through community events, all the different type 595 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: of stuff that they've done Seattle. It's year number two 596 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: of that regime with Mike McDonald. That's a connected group. 597 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: So they're gonna be one to watch for. 598 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. By the way, his twenty twenty four season 599 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: ended at State Farm Stadium. Yeah, Vikings, Rams playoffs, wild Card, 600 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: and now Cardinals will see him in a Seahawks uniform 601 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: in Week four at State Farm. 602 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: Stay. 603 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: I hope that that lingers in the back of his 604 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 3: mind when he thinks back to the last time he 605 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 3: played the Cardinals, how much he really struggled in that 606 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 3: game at US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. And then he 607 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: thinks about, and I'm at State Farms Stadium where I 608 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: just so happened to lose very big on a national 609 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: stage to the Los Angeles Rams. I don't know if 610 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 3: I'm cut out for the NFC West. I hope that 611 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: that's what he's starting to think. 612 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Also, kid a dream, Yes, also something to think about. 613 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: As I mentioned that ten wins not an automatic entry 614 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. The twenty thirteen Arizona Cardinals won ten games, 615 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians his first season, did not make the playoffs. Again, 616 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't happen a lot, but I do 617 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: think now, all of a sudden, when you think about 618 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: double digit wins and a seventeen game regular season, for 619 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: me anyway, it's eleven wins. I think that has to 620 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: be your goal. Yes, win the division, you make the postseason. 621 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: But if you're far as you don't win the division 622 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: and you're trying to get in as a wild card, 623 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: I think the magic number now is not double digits. 624 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: It's eleven within a seventeen game season. 625 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: Looking have they go to eighteen games and make it too, 626 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: you know, two preseason games every time the NFL and 627 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: they changed the rules and they add another game. That 628 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: means another win has to be added to your total. 629 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: So I totally agree eleven wins is a benchmark. Now 630 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: if you think about it, Cardinals in games when they 631 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: were lost by only one score. If you flip that 632 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 3: record around, the Cardinals have those eleven wins and they 633 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: would be in that they would be in the driver's 634 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: seat of winning the division. And it's because you think 635 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: back to games like Minnesota, you think back to the 636 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: game against the Los Angeles Rams, which we previously talked 637 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: about the one score games in the NFL. It truly 638 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: is what it comes down to is what do you 639 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: do in the fourth quarter? How are you able to 640 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: make the most of it. We know the Cardinals struggled 641 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 3: towards the back end of the season in those later quarters. 642 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: That's something that Kyler Murray is going to need to 643 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: seriously step up. And you need your quarterback when the 644 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: clock is ticking to make big time plays. He has 645 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: to be able to evade that interior pressure because Leonard 646 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 3: Williams is going to be there, Byron Murphy the second 647 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: is going to be there. Kyler Murray needs to do 648 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 3: what he can to get out the pocket, find his targets, 649 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: do whatever he can do to make sure that the 650 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: Cardinals put up more points than the opposing team. As 651 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: Drew Petsing likes to say, yeah. 652 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Just score one more point. That's the goal of every offense, 653 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: the goal of every team. And we'll see what happens 654 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals this upcoming season. By the way, Zach, 655 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: any big holiday weekend plans or you laying low around 656 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: the holiday. 657 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna sing God bless America and just enjoying. 658 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: It all just as long. What are you not singing publicly? 659 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm grabbing a microphone in making the most. 660 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: I can't microphone in studio. 661 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: I might take this microphone with me so that I 662 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: look more official. So when they say, hey, who is 663 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 3: this random dude singing? Well, I got a Cardinal's logo. 664 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: Clearly I'm somebody important. 665 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: It's all about the brand, Zach. 666 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: Elevating the brand, dealing what's right, That's what I'm all about. 667 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: Well, and you enjoy you know. I don't know yet. 668 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: Probably just stay cool because you know it's usually hot out, 669 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: so you probably, you know, enjoy the air conditioning. Stay 670 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: around town. Who knows, case something breaks, you want to 671 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: be on the be ready and prepared. Unlike some people 672 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: in our department who just like go off on plays 673 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: and travel. 674 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: I don't walk. Look, I think that you are doing 675 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: a disservice to the great state of forty eight by 676 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: staying inside on July fourth, just for the air conditioned 677 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: ooh okay, maybe we'll have. 678 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: To visit this. We'll have to revisit this conversation out 679 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: a later day. 680 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely will also be inside. 681 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: And on that note, we'll put a lid on this 682 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner 683 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 684 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Amhunter, our associate producer Coddie Fincher for 685 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Zach Gershman, I'm Craig reallou enjoy the fourth of July, 686 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: Bird Gang. We'll talk to you next time you're on 687 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two