1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Brandy, he's got all day. He's got Brown. He's got 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: a touchdown, four nets. Touchdown. That was easy touchdown, four nets. 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: He's got his second of the game. Hurts has run, 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: has speed, has a touchdown. It is a six point 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: game after that two point conversion and the fucking ears 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: and kneel downtime. That's right, Thursday Night Football, two of 7 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the defending champion Bucks get it done. In the best 8 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: highlight we could close with was a kneel down. It 9 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: was that kind of night. In Nate Tyson looking like 10 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: a slightly more weathered Justin Herbert with his backwards at 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: there really is a resemblance here. Good to have you 12 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: back on the show, Nate of the Athletic Football Podcast. 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: And like so many others, Nate, you were sweating out 14 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: that final score you sent me earlier in the day. Yes, 15 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll do the show, but I'll just be in a 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: bad mood if the Bucks don't cover six and a 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: half points. Now, we can't do that as NFL employees, 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: but that's not you, Nate, te tell me about tell 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: me about your pain, because I feel like that was 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the most exciting part of the end of this game. Yeah, 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: you also get Nate after dark, so you get that, 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: you get the backwards hat. That's that's me just going 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm not putting product in screw this. I haven't got 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: a haircut in three months. I'm not This is hat 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: hat backwards hat. But no, I uh. One of my 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: adages this uh this season as a as a newly abled, 27 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: newly enabled person that can gamble on sports now since 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm not no longer affiliated with the team, nor is 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: my dad, I I one of my angles has been 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: betting against the Eagles throughout the season, and the last 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: couple of weeks it has now bitten me twice. Um. Luckily, 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: there's this thing called live betting where the spread got 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: changed to five and a half in the middle of 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: the game, so I was able to hedge a little bit. 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I thought I was doubling down, but it turned out 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: to be a hedge. What's uh, Yeah, what's The Eagles 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: went for two and I made it a six point game. 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: That was You probably heard me screaming. Somebody everybody within 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: a five s of Vegas heard me screaming. Yeah, I 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: mean yeah. Native course lives in Vegas, so it's easy 41 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: for him to get down. But this is what a 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: lot of people were talking about online because ultimately, wasn't 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: that exciting a game? It was twenty seven is a 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: twenty one point game just felt like another Bucks game 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: where they get touchdowns too easy, where life seems too easy. 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: And then again it turned into another Eagles game where 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts uh put some some late touchdowns and you know, 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: shows again that he has the biggest gap between his 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: fantasy value and his real life value of any player. 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: I can really think of it in a long time, 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of places we should talk about 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: this game seriously, um, but I think what a lot 53 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of what I'm thinking of watching this game is just 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: thinking about like what are the Eagles and what is 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts? And after after six weeks, I'm struggling with it. 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I am struggling with what is j Who is Jalen Hurts? 57 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Right now? To you as as an ex quarterback, I'm 58 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: not a quarterback. You were an next quarterback, but you 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: have the column so it kind of you know, that 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: kind of gives you more credence than I do. I 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: just have a sub stack talking about offensive line play, 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the the I would I look at 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: Hurts as more of a high end backup spot starter 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what you saw tonight. He can 65 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: create some plays with his legs. But what you saw tonight, 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: and I think more people saw a complete game which 67 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts in the Eagles offense, as opposed to 68 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: maybe seeing red zone some highlights and then looking at 69 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: the fantasy scores and going, hey this guy, Hey, hey, 70 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: he's putting up twenty four points from me. I'm fantasy 71 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: this guy must be pretty good. It's the Blake Bortles Award. 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's what it is, is the 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm not putting the j Blake Bortles category, but least 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: that fantasy award. Um. I just see him. He creates 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: me like Portals to be fair put up like an 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: entire season. One's the second season where at the end 77 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: of it everyone was like, hmmm, something like portals is 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: pretty good. That I was one of those people. So 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: just just putting that out there. But I could see 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: Hurts getting on a hot streak like that. I think 81 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: people are burying him almost too quickly. But this is 82 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: this game is similar to a lot of Hurts games 83 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: this year. I think this was a particularly rough one. 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: But he goes through long stretches where they just don't 85 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: move the ball, and and then he'll get hot and 86 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: he in theory is a good runner, but I don't 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: know if he has a great instincts of when to 88 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: run and when to leave the pocket. Um, and his 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: his deep ball is like one of the most exciting 90 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: plays in the NFL. He throws seven of them a game. 91 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen. Usually the ball 92 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: goes off Jalen Reagor's hands at some point. There's a 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: lot of penalty. Like, there's a lot of penalties, and 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes guys go out of bounds, sometimes it's in bounds. Um, 95 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: it's just like a lot you never really know what's 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: going to happen. It's like pulling that that jackpot. Yeah, 97 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: it's it's Baylor's offense for years and years was this. 98 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: It was go balls and screens, and that's what it 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: kind of just seems like. It's it always a largely 100 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: I always look at the like the little vance stats, 101 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, his average definite targets probably like 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: two yards, but it's always super high because he just 103 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: chucks up those go balls. Throughout the game, so it 104 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: just gets inflated throughout the game. But that is I mean, 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: that's what the offense has been throughout the season. They 106 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: had a great game playing against the Falcons because the 107 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: Falcons were dean piece and he was trying to blitz them. 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: And that's like the worst thing you do against this 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: because it's just all those bubbles have space to work. 110 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: And I think throughout the year more and more teams 111 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: were just like, let's just sit here and make him, 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, make him trying to actually progress on these concepts. 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: Because there's a couple of times you can see tonight 114 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: where it hurts, hurts, drops back and then he's like 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: one one reads not open. He starts scrambling. And I 116 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: think that's a great point you brought up. It's not 117 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson scrambling. Like it's a different feel to it. 118 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: It's like it's a panic as opposed to like I'm creating. 119 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: And that's kind of when when it's when it's a 120 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: design running player or he's just on the edge, you know, 121 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: looking to get up the sideline. Obviously he's a good runner, 122 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: but that there's a difference between that. Yeah, it's kind 123 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: of like Daniel Jones a little bit like I don't 124 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: consider Daniel Jones like a great runner. He's really fast 125 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: and if you call the right play like he can 126 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: hit it, but I don't think he has great instincts 127 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: of when to run. And maybe Jalen Hurts can make 128 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you miss a little bit more. But right now it 129 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: seems like the rest of Jalen Hurts is scrambling so 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: much um that he doesn't have the field and they 131 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: haven't integrated his running into the offense. And I am 132 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: I am the last guy that is like, run the 133 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: ball more, guy. I've never been that guy. And yet 134 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: this Eagles team watching them even against the Bucks, so 135 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I know you have a great rush defense. You do 136 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: feel like this team is so good at running the 137 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: ball when they do it, they're they're very efficient. They 138 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: rank high that you you would think they could integrate Hurts, 139 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: but it just hasn't happened. And tonight it didn't happen. 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: He ends up with under fifty completion and yes, the 141 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: final score ends up being two, But this this looked 142 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: like as big of a mismatch as as we kind 143 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: of expected going in. And that's how the flow of 144 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: it felt, and that's the run game of the Eagles 145 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: has been so frustrating. I'm sure as Miles Sanders fancy 146 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: owners could tell you, but it's the going from the 147 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 1: Cowboys game a couple of weeks ago to uh, last week. 148 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, just against Carolina like they could they will 149 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: be able to run, like You'll see a couple of 150 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: good plays, and then they're just like a screen bubble 151 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: screen receiver screen and then you know screen bubbles, you know, 152 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: pumped the screen and throw a go ball off of it, 153 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: and it's like they just abandoned it. As soon as 154 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: one of those zone reads or one of those read 155 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: plays stops working, they're just like, oh, screw this, No, 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: we can't run the ball. And actually, it's funny you 157 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: say that because in theory they actually look okay running 158 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: the ball, like they actually looked good. Their top five, 159 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: their top five in yards per gary. I mean, my 160 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: Standers is a good runner. Gain Well is a good runner, 161 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: like both of them. They have a good offensive line 162 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: in theory when it's healthy. I don't know if Lane 163 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Johnson's coming back anytime soon, which is a huge problem 164 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of been under the radar that he just 165 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: lumped in with the injuries. He has some sort of 166 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: personal issue and and Sirianni said he doesn't know if 167 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna be back this year, so that's a concern. 168 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: That's a lot of time we just spent on the 169 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: Eagles offense and a two and four team that's probably 170 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. We should give a little love, uh, 171 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to the winning team here. It's like that first drive 172 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: of the game with the Bucks and Brady's throwing those 173 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: in cuts to Evans and God, when my my first 174 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: thought was, you know there, like no one gets twenty 175 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: yards as easily as the Bucks, And someone who really 176 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: understands the schematics and understands Brady and these guys, like 177 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: why does it look so easy? Why does their twenty 178 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: yards look easier than anyone else's And why does they're 179 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: like opening drive touchdown drives look so much easier than 180 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: everyone else's Because like, if we've watched Brady for years, 181 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: everything comes out right on time. So they're making this 182 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: incredibly hard offense look incredibly easy. And that's what just 183 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: what you're saying. But like in a this offense is 184 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: it's pushing the ball, it's at you always passing the 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: game and running the ball, And I think I think 186 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: a good good way to put it is last week 187 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, Like this is just one little play. 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Most teams run a if you get man coverage and 189 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to run something outside, you run a stop 190 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: route which is ten to twelve yards, Hey, throw it 191 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: up there painted on him. You've seen DeAndre Hopkins, Mike 192 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Williams catch these this year. They run a deep hinge 193 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: at twenty four yards with Mike Evans. He's selling a 194 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: go all the way down and then Tom Brady is 195 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: just throwing it out seven step, dropped back stuff like 196 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: old school offense, but not not a play not like 197 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: most play fakes are seven step concepts. They're not even 198 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: play faking. They're just dropped back seven steps and Brady's 199 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: finding the right guy and it comes out on time. 200 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, it's cool, Like what who else 201 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: is running this back in the day. It's like old 202 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: school North Turner nineties kind of cowboys. Maybe I think 203 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: that's maybe a good comparison air correl, like if you 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: want to go way back, like that's kind of what 205 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: it is, and it's very uh yeah, it's all the 206 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: old school seven step stuff, and then all the run 207 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: game is just uh duo, which is power power without 208 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: the polar and then zone it's like they just don't 209 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: dress it up too much. It's a simple motion that's 210 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: manner Zone tell, and then it's like going from there, 211 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we'll just push the ball with digs 212 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: and over some posts as opposed to slants and outs. 213 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: So it's like this, it's just very vertical, and I 214 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: think it's like, is it, in theory predictable, Like is 215 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: it a little more like the Cults, Not like it's 216 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: like the old Cults offense, but the Cults offense was 217 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: an execution offense. It was like and I think as 218 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: fans and I'm guilty of this, it gets so caught 219 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: up of like which coaches are like being really creative 220 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: or tricking the other team in. But then you think 221 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: of those Cults offenses, which are some of the greatest 222 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: offenses of all time, which was the most predictable offenses. 223 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 1: They're in apine right, and it worked and out of 224 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: the bucks like a little bit like that, I would say, 225 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: a little bit like that, and that's what arians kind 226 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: of does. It's good concepts. If there's a few concepts 227 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: I have like answers to everything. But the problem with 228 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: him is that you have to protect, or you have 229 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: to have guys that win one all ones or etcetera. 230 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: If they want to play certain coverages. The Bucks have 231 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: all those guys and they can protect, so they're able 232 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: to do They have all the cocks to run this 233 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: type of offense, and it's just like, I think that's 234 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: the best way to put it. It's just like those 235 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: old cults offenses, seriously, because it's just like they only 236 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: run like seven concepts and then they're just like, Okay, 237 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it out two tight ends and then 238 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: next play we'll do three wide receivers and the next 239 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: play like now they've gotten more reps at it too. 240 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: And you watch tonight and O. J. Howard looks Betters 241 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: not even playing like that's right. But I've watched Howard 242 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: pretty closely this year and he hasn't moved well, and 243 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: I think he's moving better. Ain't been set said as much. 244 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: I really think that could help them a lot. Antonio Brown. 245 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's moving better, but he seems 246 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: to be approaching peak whatever. Antonio Brown. As I saw 247 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: someone tweet out, it's like, this is the best Antonio 248 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Browns ever looked. No, you can you can say that 249 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: about a Brady if you really wanted to get cute. 250 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Like he's producing at as about as high a level 251 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: as as he ever as he's you know, to me, 252 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: he's the best quarterback in the league right now and 253 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: so so whatever. But he was doing that ten years ago. 254 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is not near where he was. Antoni Brown 255 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: is the greatest receiver I've ever seen. That's my personal opinion. 256 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: At his at his peace, he was. He he is 257 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: not there, but he's kind of getting there now. I 258 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: think he's now their leading receiver on the season, even 259 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: though he missed a game. The game they get to 260 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: switch Godwin and him and Brown because they both can 261 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: work from the slot and outside. So it's just kind 262 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: of like pick your poison. It's like it's like and 263 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: not only they have three awesome receivers, it's like all 264 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: of them like synergized really well. It's like it's not 265 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: fair like Antonio Brown's you're sometimes you're a third targeted receiver. 266 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: And it's like the last week against the Dolphins, it 267 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: was like eight targets, eight targets, eight targets, like ten targets, 268 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: ten targets, eight targets, something like that, which beeen Godwin, 269 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: Evans and Brown. It's like, just, well, Evans went this week, 270 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: so I can almost guarantee you he's going over a 271 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: hundred next week. That's bas actually what it does. They 272 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: just he's like, Okay, he didn't get a taste this week. 273 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: I gotta hook him up. Uh. You know who I 274 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: was thinking about watching this game was Tom Coughlin and 275 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: David Caldwell, the former Jaguars GM, and I was thinking, 276 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: they're watching Lenny four net light up. The Eagles get 277 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: to what a hundred and twenty seven yards and two 278 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: touchdowns from scrimmage, and they were thinking, see, we were right. 279 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: We were ready to go with Lenny and Bordles instead 280 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: of drafting Mahomes. A little underrated moment in NFL history 281 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: there that no one really gives them grief for that. 282 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: Everyone was like, oh, yeah, that was that was fine. 283 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: Let's take four Net instead of drafting a quarterback because 284 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: we're totally, um, we're totally in on Boardles to and 285 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: then did that. I think the extend it was like 286 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: a year later. But yeah, like, oh yeah, that's right. 287 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: So it's a nice double away Amy, I think. And 288 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: that was the same draft CMC came out. You didn't 289 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: even get the best. You know, there's a couple of 290 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Lenny looks. I do think less better than he's ever 291 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: looked in his career right now because he's catching the ball. 292 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: That's the that that he lent the league and dropped 293 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: percentage last year, which was pretty crazy. But he's a 294 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: little he does good. He does moving a little better. 295 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: He's running people over. He's obviously in a good situation. 296 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: But like he's a legit good starting running back, like 297 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: a very good starting running back right now. Halloween, Lenny, Halloween, 298 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: Lenny looks good. He really does. He does look about 299 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: like last week. I mean, it just looks so much 300 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: skinnier and better. It's it's crazy. What else is there 301 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: to say about this this Bucks team? You were making 302 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: fun of Troy, I mean a little bit. What was 303 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: it that Troy was bothering you about? He didn't bother me. 304 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: It was just it was more exalting the wound that 305 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: not only were the Eagles going for two to also 306 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: cover that he had to hear Troy Acman try to 307 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: misunderstand the math for when to go for two when 308 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: you're down fourteen and then you score a touchdown and 309 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: and it was just here Aikman and Buck get confused 310 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: about that. Really kind of like Buck actually like heard 311 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: on analytics, uh like yelling at him and his mentions 312 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: and explained it all for him. But Quiz killed you. 313 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Quiz um ruined your your child's college fund. Quaz took 314 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 1: a lot of money out of the pockets of Bucks investors. 315 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: Made a tough catch on that. Two bucking versions. I 316 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: gotta say Quez Watkins is a player. They actually like 317 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: the Watkins, Davante Smith, even reagor a little bit um group. 318 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if they all make sense together, but 319 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: Quiz Watkins is a player. You got some players in Philly. 320 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: It's just it's just not gonna happen for you this year. 321 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: I also enjoyed Troy calling um now I'm forgetting his name. 322 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh he butchered the name. Oh what was it? It 323 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: was the d tackle right, Yeah, he called them roaches 324 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: one of snow just ruches. Just but I don't know 325 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: like Chris Bourman nickname either. Um, you mentioned the substack earlier. 326 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: That was very subtle. That was good. It actually got 327 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: double mentioned because Mark Sessler brought it up. He's a 328 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: subscriber as well. Thank you, Mark. But tell me about 329 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: the substance the sub stack. It's it's for the kids, 330 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's young kids. I'm glad you said 331 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: for the kids. I think you're about to say it's 332 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: for the birds. Uh no, but it's a My substack 333 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: is called the Silent Count. Gotta get a little football 334 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: reference in there, and yeah, I I as opposed to 335 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: a Twitter threat. I decided to kind of go more 336 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: long form, and my most recent articles this week was 337 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: or newsletters. I think it's prefer term on sub stack 338 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: is uh, if you subscribe to it, I'll you get 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: pushed an email or you go onto the website to 340 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: read this. But I broke down Trey Lances first start 341 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: um against the Arizona Cardinals, a little more optimistic about 342 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: than I thought I would be. And also do I 343 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: started doing a little more voiceovers on there where I 344 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: can kind of break down a play with the I 345 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: didn't even check. I didn't even check out the voiceovers, 346 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: but I read that and that was really good because 347 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I was wondering what to think about that Lance um start. 348 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: I felt the same way, uh that I think there 349 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: were some some good things in there, and I want 350 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: I want to see more, but people should check it out. 351 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: I am a subscriber. Nate is a busy man. This 352 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: is his third podcast of the day. Wait, I don't 353 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: get it though. You you do the Athletic you know, 354 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: And and then I did, I did, I did the 355 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: Cleveland's Athletic podcast. Someone else's podcast. Um is one of 356 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: the best in the business. Um he is, you know. 357 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: I like to call him the Couardorele Patterson of the 358 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: the NFL media landscape, like he can do everything and 359 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: no one's exactly sure how to use him. And he's 360 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: just waiting for his Arthur Smith to come on board. 361 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: I just don't know when we're gonna have you on again. 362 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: So I just want to get Quardrell in because me 363 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: and you have, you know, long talked about how every 364 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: coach gets Cordarell disease. They have a you have a 365 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: game or two where they think they think they've really 366 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: got something. It works at first, and then it's diminishing 367 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: return to the rest of the year. But I was 368 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: in London and I'm watching Cordurel Patterson and this is 369 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: like the sixth straight week he's been a boat star 370 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: and he finally found his home. So I think there's 371 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: a lesson in there somewhere, like if you've got a 372 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: skill set and people just keep trying and they can't 373 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: figure it out, you never know, maybe you just need 374 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: to find your Arthur Smith some of us peak after 375 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: thirty you know, you just gotta find you just gotta 376 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: find your call. Can can you explain it for me? 377 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, why not? I don't know it was. I 378 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: knew Arthur Smith, like Patterson, he caught that. He caught 379 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: the pathogen wherever whatever the cordaral pathogen. He caught it 380 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: when on the first drive Falcons drive of the season 381 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: they wind him aut at running back, fullback, wing, tight 382 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: end and receiver on the first drive and I was like, 383 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: oh boy, he caught. He caught a full blown he 384 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: got But this time it's going both both ways. He 385 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: is he is a legitimate weapons their offense. And there 386 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: was a moment in that game and I know we're 387 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: way off topic here and we're gonna we're gonna say 388 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: goodbye soon. It wasn't that great a game where you know, 389 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: Patterson picks up a key first down to basically salt 390 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: the game away. I forget which Jets safety or cornerback 391 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: it was, but he tried to give him a little business. 392 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: And I'm standing on the sideline like a real sideline reporter, 393 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: and you know they give him. He gives a little 394 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: shove extra at the end to Quardo as they're going 395 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: out abound in Cordos, a big guy, Quardrele just freaking 396 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: shut gives him a forearm to the neck and pushes 397 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: him off and just like, get off me. I'm a man. 398 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, that's my guy. That's because 399 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: it's just the other the little cornerback. He shuffled off 400 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: and it was just like, don't even mess with me, 401 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: hitting me out of out of bounds, and it was 402 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: it was something They moved fast, these big NFL guys 403 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: in person, very impressive and a guy like Patterson too, 404 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: like you said, he's more put together than you realize. 405 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: He's two thirty. He broke the like testing in the 406 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: Raiders they had like they had some force testing and 407 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: he was like banging like he had like a quad 408 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: injury and he still did it and he like shattered 409 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: their record for it with a quad injury. And it 410 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: was like they're like, and I remember the strength coach 411 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: going like he's put together guys's he was pretty athletic. 412 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, that's why we signed him. 413 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Um, Nate Tys he said it all. You 414 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: are the man, and so is Rakiem Nunez Roaches. I 415 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: was feeling bad about that we never gave him his 416 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: actual name. You know, great great backup defensive tackle Rickie 417 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: Nunez Roaches Um who was called um by Troy Aikman. 418 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Roaches notes that really made me laugh. You know, you 419 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: need something to get us through the night. Who knows 420 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: Lenny four Net blow up. He's only twenty six years old. 421 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: We're all getting better as we're getting older, Nate Tyson 422 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: is I am. We will be back on Sunday and 423 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: try to do better on our Sunday recap show. Until then, 424 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: Eat the Car