Speaker 1: It's nine o one.
Speaker 2: With Jenny Garth and Tory spelling. Oh this week, you guys, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 3: We're back and for sad reasons.
Speaker 2: The sad and mad. I'm all the fields good, that's good.
Speaker 4: How do we feel about who'sy lady with the short
Speaker 4: haircut and the short things?
Speaker 2: And I can't think of her name, Jamie Blake?
Speaker 5: What's her name?
Speaker 3: Jamie Blake?
Speaker 5: Who's Jamie Blake her real name?
Speaker 3: I thought you said, how do we feel about the
Speaker 3: girl with them?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Tory always would have that on her mind because it's Brian.
Speaker 2: I'm more fixated on Emma. Emma, Oh, I thought you.
Speaker 5: I love that Tory went there to the girl that's kissing.
Speaker 3: No, I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: Well one has one has short hair and a pixie
Speaker 2: and what as a bob so easy to.
Speaker 4: So I want to know right out the gate from
Speaker 4: both of you.
Speaker 5: Did Emma do the right thing? Or she just like
Speaker 5: a villain? What is she?
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, she's just a girl that got
Speaker 2: caught in the doorway and really gotta just tell the
Speaker 2: truth when that happens.
Speaker 3: This is this is a tough one because yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't see her as a villain. Sorry, that's gonna be unpopular,
Speaker 3: but you don't.
Speaker 2: See her as a villain. She came into town, yeah,
Speaker 2: went it just went straight for Brandon, like not even
Speaker 2: a second's delay. She saw him, she conquered him.
Speaker 5: Am I crazy to call her a vixen? A villain?
Speaker 5: But also like girl power?
Speaker 1: It's like she's sort of that too, yes, because she's
Speaker 1: not well, No, would you call that guest trick rounded No,
Speaker 1: I'd call that a girl's girl.
Speaker 3: But no, I mean here's the thing, Oh see, it's
Speaker 3: it's such a tough one because she doesn't owe Kelly anything. Right,
Speaker 3: she came in and she found a guy and she
Speaker 3: went for it.
Speaker 2: And she knew he had a boy, he had a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: She knew that.
Speaker 5: So there's that factor, right, that's not very girl. She
Speaker 5: knew the girlfriend, right that.
Speaker 4: You're right, that is what makes her villainy.
Speaker 2: If she didn't know at all, then and then we'd
Speaker 2: have another discussion. But like she knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3: There's another word besides villain, there's God.
Speaker 2: I love it that you want to defend her though,
Speaker 2: I'm really interested this, Like, why are you trying to defend.
Speaker 3: Her because I like her in real life.
Speaker 5: Too on levels of wrong.
Speaker 4: Though I still stand by that Brandon was worse.
Speaker 3: You can't compare them.
Speaker 4: It's like apples and oranges, you know, where they kind
Speaker 4: of did it dirty is that they made it's they
Speaker 4: make her so conniving that that's what makes her worse.
Speaker 4: It's like if she just went to the office, she's
Speaker 4: sort of this sexy girl who writes the column, and
Speaker 4: he came on to her, or even mutually, and then
Speaker 4: he went for it. But it's all the conniving, the
Speaker 4: dropping the watch and the boiling water.
Speaker 2: And the short skirts up on the desk.
Speaker 4: Recording on the old cassette tape on you know, it's like,
Speaker 4: and then showing him the tape and then inviting her
Speaker 4: in to play the tape.
Speaker 5: It's like they made her.
Speaker 4: They made her villainy when it might have been more
Speaker 4: interesting to make her not so villainy.
Speaker 3: Okay, I understand this, and and granted I've gone on
Speaker 3: this roller coaster ride. I've gone ups and ups and downs.
Speaker 3: Like I like her, I don't like her, I hate her.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 5: So well played for the TV part, When did.
Speaker 2: You love her?
Speaker 3: Good? Question the moment I saw that haircut, you are hilarious.
Speaker 3: Here's okay, here's the thing. I think Angel Boris now
Speaker 3: Angel Boris read is really good because I'm not debating
Speaker 3: that she's a villain.
Speaker 2: I know so correct.
Speaker 3: She's a villain, a scripted villain that actually has.
Speaker 5: Likability, which is right. You are right.
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait can you walk me through the
Speaker 2: walk me through the likability please? As a character, not.
Speaker 3: A I understand, but Angel playing that part, she could
Speaker 3: have played it very one note. And there's something in
Speaker 3: the way she plays it and her soul that comes
Speaker 3: through that you want to hate her, but you just don't.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a little Heather lockleyer.
Speaker 3: Like no, no, no, she was the villain in melrose Place,
Speaker 3: but there was something like like a daughter.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm sorry, what break it down for me? What
Speaker 2: was likable about this character? The way? Why do you,
Speaker 2: as a female like the way she played the character.
Speaker 2: It's not the way she played it, it's the character.
Speaker 3: There's some warmth that comes through, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, Tori. There's like she's ninety percent
Speaker 4: ten percent, and.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's because she's so sexy.
Speaker 2: When she's being like that time percent, she's still being conniving.
Speaker 5: She's yeah, she's com meditated. Correct, that's true.
Speaker 3: She's written, You're right, unlike well, total villain and yet
Speaker 3: the way she portrays her.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I think we're talking about two different things. Okay,
Speaker 4: here's what I'm gonna say. There's nothing likable about her,
Speaker 4: but there's something very intriguing about her, so that maybe
Speaker 4: what I'm experiencing is like I'm kind of bummed she's
Speaker 4: gonna be gone soon, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: she's awful.
Speaker 2: She's yeah, she's making it a little more, mixing it
Speaker 2: up more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something interesting about her for this whole show.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I don't disagree, but I just don't.
Speaker 2: I can't say that she's there's something redeemable about her
Speaker 2: as a character.
Speaker 4: No, she's terrible because she's also not honest, Like the
Speaker 4: dropping the watch and the recording and the.
Speaker 2: Whole thing is dishonest. But it's like, but she did
Speaker 2: a great job as an actress, There's no question about it.
Speaker 4: If you were her, would you have done what she did?
Speaker 5: And told Kelly?
Speaker 2: I thought that was Gnarley, Like I said, she he's
Speaker 2: being straight up asked, I don't think this character is
Speaker 2: a liar because she didn't lie to anybody. She just
Speaker 2: didn't tell Kelly because she thought Brandon should be the
Speaker 2: one to tell Kelly.
Speaker 4: It's also bananas that Kelly went over there like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why yeah, why can we go over there?
Speaker 4: You went over there because you thought it was Steve
Speaker 4: and that he was cheating on Hillary Swank, and so
Speaker 4: I thought that was like also bananas, like.
Speaker 3: Where she lived.
Speaker 5: It's actually an interesting question.
Speaker 2: Yellow Pages.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, was weird if I was, you know, a
Speaker 4: person and this girl I'm sort of loosely friends with
Speaker 4: has an entanglement with a random dude that I'm close with.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go knock on her door. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a little confrontational for weird reasons.
Speaker 3: We had to get there somehow, though.
Speaker 2: First of all, I love that they just keep holding
Speaker 2: up the cassette tape. I don't know. I'm glad it's over.
Speaker 2: I'm glad the liaring, the liaring is over.
Speaker 4: Brandon's liar liarings Darley and letting Steve. I mean, come on, dude,
Speaker 4: Brandon they they are writing him like dog.
Speaker 2: Poop, They're writing him like val, what's happening? I have
Speaker 2: fury here?
Speaker 5: Tell us.
Speaker 3: I think they in their minds at the time, they
Speaker 3: might have been like, we're losing the show. In their minds,
Speaker 3: I mean, we're all the show, but like Brandon Walsh
Speaker 3: Minnesota Twins, we've lost one, we're about to lose the
Speaker 3: other how and they were like, Okay, people are going
Speaker 3: to be miserable, so let's just tak him. Let's take
Speaker 3: this character and make him be like them.
Speaker 5: Who cares?
Speaker 3: Brandon Walsh interesting?
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely see what you're saying, but that
Speaker 2: that's a really down dirty that's terrible blasphemy.
Speaker 3: Again, I'm I'm in shock. I know he was in
Speaker 3: the mind space of you know, he's moving on, and.
Speaker 4: But as a producer, did he have the ability to go,
Speaker 4: don't write me so yes, sleepy, I for sure think
Speaker 4: so at this So.
Speaker 5: I guess maybe he was kind of into it.
Speaker 3: Why do you think maybe he was, Like sure, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: But it keeps flashing back in my mind to that
Speaker 4: love scene with that Emma woman, Like I keep flashing back.
Speaker 5: To that that was so it was just a lot.
Speaker 5: It was very a lot.
Speaker 3: Why because it was so not exciting.
Speaker 2: See, I thought it was because it was like too
Speaker 2: like sex, like poorn almost.
Speaker 4: It was like it was like the most aggressive sex
Speaker 4: scene we've had on nine O two one zero.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, by.
Speaker 5: Far it was. It was gnarly, where are you.
Speaker 2: Going with this? Amy interesting because I didn't like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe we liked that they adulted him up or made
Speaker 4: him maybe he doesn't want to always be good Brandon.
Speaker 2: Well surely, I'm sure that's there, But yeah, that was
Speaker 2: taking it to an extreme.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing I gotta say, You guys like
Speaker 3: Jamie Walters was not that's not him. He played a character.
Speaker 3: He pushed Donna down the stairs. Well mean that, But
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Jason Priestley plays Brandon Walsh. He cheats
Speaker 3: on Kelly Taylor in the worst way. He's beloved.
Speaker 2: Still, how is this all fair to this day?
Speaker 4: I know, because we only think guys, I'm so sorry
Speaker 4: because not that they didn't watch it, but they base
Speaker 4: everything in my opinion on the first five seasons. How
Speaker 4: we feel about everybody is totally based on the early
Speaker 4: your season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm watching this as a viewer as a
Speaker 2: young girl who thinks Brandon Walsh is the best guy
Speaker 2: in the world and dreams of having a boyfriend like him.
Speaker 2: He's so devoted, so faithful, so honest, so smart, and
Speaker 2: he loves his girlfriend so much. And then to see
Speaker 2: as a viewer him cheat on her in this way
Speaker 2: and such graphic visual details and then lie about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the lying and then finally get caught as a viewer.
Speaker 2: Am I ever gonna like him? Make?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: May I remind you how this season ends? So? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you sure are?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what what do you mean? What toy? Obviously?
Speaker 3: Is there a wedding?
Speaker 2: No? Do they get back together? Are you saying I
Speaker 2: get back together?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I'm just telling you that now.
Speaker 5: I'm not spoiling it because it's three years afo.
Speaker 2: You just spoiled it.
Speaker 4: But it's like we all come around on these people too,
Speaker 4: we do we soften?
Speaker 2: Why why why I had to because it was in
Speaker 2: script I mean, Kelly had to because that was my job, right.
Speaker 4: I never think of this stuff when I think of
Speaker 4: Brandon holistically.
Speaker 2: I know, but that's that's the problem.
Speaker 3: It's not redeemable on his part, Like it's just unless
Speaker 3: we have some backstory of why he felt he needed
Speaker 3: to Why, Like, I don't want to think that just
Speaker 3: someone comes in, she's sexy and he's just like Okay.
Speaker 3: I wish they could go into the backstory of like
Speaker 3: at some point, like what were his feelings? Why did
Speaker 3: he feel that what he had wasn't good enough on
Speaker 3: his part that he needed to do something else? What
Speaker 3: was he not feeling good about himself? We don't know?
Speaker 4: Or is he just a twenty two year old dude?
Speaker 4: That's the other thing. You all are acting like you're
Speaker 4: all thirty.
Speaker 5: It looks like thirty.
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody on the show is thirty.
Speaker 5: We're all twenty two.
Speaker 2: They got so old so fast, and like it did
Speaker 2: it's really hard to remember.
Speaker 3: You're right, But before that, he's always actually no am
Speaker 3: we Valentine?
Speaker 5: Okay, you know what?
Speaker 3: How is he a can you call a man America's sweetheart?
Speaker 3: What is the male version of that?
Speaker 5: Hearth thrub heart? Thrubs can be.
Speaker 3: Kind of broody and like not so bad boys, America's sweetheart?
Speaker 2: He's yeah, like the man.
Speaker 3: I know, first five seasons, Amy, I get it, But
Speaker 3: you guys, let's tell them what we're watching here. Season eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, we got ahead of ourselves, you guys, Okay, segments,
Speaker 2: let's see.
Speaker 5: I'm so flustered now, Well.
Speaker 4: Do we want to keep talking about this?
Speaker 5: Because we could?
Speaker 4: But also I'm obsessed with the mall, clown and the
Speaker 4: whole There's so much talk.
Speaker 2: There's so much to talk about in this episode. Season eight,
Speaker 2: episode sixteen, Illegal Tender Air January fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3: Synopsis. Emma wants revenge and she's coming with receipts. Kelly
Speaker 3: faces the truth. Brandon's guilty of deceit. It's all David's fault.
Speaker 3: When Jamie Blake gets fired, he runs to the peapad
Speaker 3: and gets the singer hired. Noah finds out about Valerie's
Speaker 3: secret client, and now he and val have the right
Speaker 3: to remain silent.
Speaker 4: So we have four storylines. We've got the Emma stuff
Speaker 4: with Brandon. Wait, wait, I have to tell you, guys.
Speaker 2: It was directed by Anson Williams, one of her favorite directors.
Speaker 3: I did notice that, and written by Ken Stringer, who
Speaker 3: started initially as our first ad.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: So we have four storylines. We've got the kids lost
Speaker 4: in the mall. We've got this Emma fatal attraction thing.
Speaker 4: We've got the singer, and we've got the gambling. It's
Speaker 4: a lot and it's a lot which one.
Speaker 3: If you could would you have lost?
Speaker 5: Maybe the singer thing?
Speaker 2: Oh really, I don't know that I would have lost
Speaker 2: the kid getting lost.
Speaker 3: I just was.
Speaker 4: Obsessed with what mall is that? Oh my god, we
Speaker 4: know it's the outdoor mall. Is it on Ventura? Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what I thought. Okay, so let's should we talk
Speaker 4: about the missing and the sort of is that a
Speaker 4: red herring when we think was he a kidnapper or not?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Of course he wasn't. He did the right thing. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know how you describe a red herring. I
Speaker 4: don't know what that word means.
Speaker 2: I didn't never think he was a kidnapper. I just
Speaker 2: think the kid like got lost and some nice man
Speaker 2: found him.
Speaker 4: But I think we're supposed to think, oh no, with
Speaker 4: the candy, He's like, camere, little boy, I have candy,
Speaker 4: and then you're supposed to be like, oh no, now
Speaker 4: he's kidnapped.
Speaker 2: I guess that. I mean, I guess I'm watching something
Speaker 2: from the nineties. So I didn't think that. But if
Speaker 2: I were watching that now, I probably would Immediately.
Speaker 4: I was like, they're trying to make us think this
Speaker 4: is a kidnapping.
Speaker 3: I remember filming there that day and I was super
Speaker 3: excited because in between shots there were stores there and
Speaker 3: you go to chic goes. They were like boutique ones. Listen,
Speaker 3: it was in the nineties, like it was like, oh
Speaker 3: boutiques like that was yeah, yeah, there weren't like big
Speaker 3: chains and like stuff. All I am focused on now
Speaker 3: is the red balloon, and I'm like, oh, it's.
Speaker 4: So it totally and the creepy He's gonna go and
Speaker 4: get killed by a clown.
Speaker 5: The creepy clowns is like a horror movie. I liked it.
Speaker 5: Kids adorable? Have we tried to find him?
Speaker 6: It was in chapter nineties where because chapter Miles Jeffrey,
Speaker 6: that guy is adorable and the whole like, oh, Steve's okay.
Speaker 4: First of all, so Steve tells the kid to lie
Speaker 4: and say he had like tails. I was like, that's bad,
Speaker 4: But then I actually didn't think it was so like
Speaker 4: I thought Hilary Swank like overreacted to Steve, like.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you have to hold his hand all
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't neither.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, as a mom uh no, well right, but
Speaker 2: then she.
Speaker 4: Correct But the whole point is she yelled at Steve
Speaker 4: but then did the same thing. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: a tropy trophy storyline.
Speaker 2: I feel like she said, you have to hold his
Speaker 2: hand when there's traffic, and he's crossing some traffic, but
Speaker 2: she was standing right next to him and they were
Speaker 2: I mean, I can imagine she wouldn't be holding his
Speaker 2: hand the whole time, like at the clown thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I would be watching and making sure my kid doesn't
Speaker 4: wander off chasing a balloon.
Speaker 2: But that's true, that's a mall at a mall.
Speaker 4: But these days my brother just puts trackers on my
Speaker 4: nieces so that like it just like Apple trackers on them.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Sit in really good.
Speaker 3: Did you know you could actually like carve it into
Speaker 3: their tennis shoes in the insoul and you.
Speaker 5: I think that's genius.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: I asked my niece if I could do that when
Speaker 4: she went to Mexico for spring break, but she said no.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, you don't ask you just do it.
Speaker 4: But it was a long time to find the kid
Speaker 4: out a very small mall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's so that's I don't
Speaker 2: know that storyline. I wasn't as excited about also because
Speaker 2: I kind of know that this is ending soon, and
Speaker 2: so I'm I.
Speaker 4: Feel like they have one more episode with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you guys think of the singer of Jamie Blake.
Speaker 2: She's she was the act, she was the character, but
Speaker 2: she's also a real singer. Oh she was, yes, it
Speaker 2: says uh. Signed by A and M Records in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5: Silled A and M Records.
Speaker 3: She had cool, she had a cool look, cool voice.
Speaker 5: I just feel like.
Speaker 2: We've done this storyline.
Speaker 5: It's just like, here's a gazillion time.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, David wants to be a musician. Oh,
Speaker 4: he's find a singer. Oh, Valerie's mad.
Speaker 2: I just it's very trophy. She's adorable and a really
Speaker 2: good performer.
Speaker 3: This is the new version of Watch What Happens Live,
Speaker 3: and the word is trophy. Yeah, it's literally if you
Speaker 3: just the drinking game, it's just.
Speaker 4: The same old storyline. Although I'm fine with it. It's
Speaker 4: the same old crap with Valerie too. Oh oh, Valerie
Speaker 4: criminal again. Yeah, you're a criminal again. Oh cool, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: So Yeah, we talked about last week. We were not
Speaker 3: happy about the bookie coming back. We're like, oh good,
Speaker 3: we don't want to watch this.
Speaker 2: So I look like Garth today? Hold on, we wait
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: I don't want to lie and say amazing.
Speaker 3: Wait, your hair it actually looks so phenomenal. You look,
Speaker 3: it looks eight eyed.
Speaker 4: Okay, she's talking about does she look like Wayne's world
Speaker 4: looked like Dana Carvey, And yes, you.
Speaker 2: Do look like Garth? Right, that was the name guy,
Speaker 2: you guys, you guys. My last name's Garth.
Speaker 4: All I think about is when they went to that
Speaker 4: concert and they're holding up their backstage passes.
Speaker 2: Wait, how do you what was? They went like this, right,
Speaker 2: you guys, Okay, let's stop doing that.
Speaker 3: Then, by the way, she looked beautiful, hair looked great
Speaker 3: until she proofed it up and then she literally did
Speaker 3: transform into him.
Speaker 5: That was that was crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was actually I have a really I can
Speaker 2: do Nick Nolty too, if you want to see that. No,
Speaker 2: not to.
Speaker 4: Do, actually though, I think also it happens that you're
Speaker 4: wearing that shirt. Which is kind of a Wayne's Worldy
Speaker 4: type shirt. I think it's it's all work anyway, we digress.
Speaker 4: First of all, Lindsay Price like, can we talk about.
Speaker 5: Her really quick?
Speaker 4: Of course, you're right, Tori, Like, she really just starts
Speaker 4: out as a very minor character.
Speaker 2: And just so comfortable in her in her skin, like
Speaker 2: she's like she's supposed to be there.
Speaker 5: It feels like, yeah, she's just there.
Speaker 3: I know, and she looks but I'm telling you she
Speaker 3: was just She's brought in to work in the office
Speaker 3: because they they need a workplace. This is now becoming
Speaker 3: a workplace drum.
Speaker 4: And I did look up where is the office? I
Speaker 4: was inspired to be like where is the Beverly Beat?
Speaker 4: And it's like Hollywood Boulevard. I did find it really fast.
Speaker 4: I should have memorized where.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like over by where Netflix is?
Speaker 4: Now where is the Beverly Beat? Like it was six
Speaker 4: six oh five Hollywood Boulevard?
Speaker 2: Yes, right there.
Speaker 4: We need to hit that Spanish revival style building.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, uh, is it Gricos? Is that it?
Speaker 3: Pizza is at the bottom.
Speaker 4: It serves as the backdrop for the character's editorial escapades
Speaker 4: it's right near Hollywood and Highland.
Speaker 3: So I believe I'm not sure that those office spaces
Speaker 3: that they're showing from the outside world of wonder Ru
Speaker 3: Paul drag Race, that's where those are their offices in
Speaker 3: real in real life. Now it's like the last twenty years.
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Speaker 4: Now, there is one thing this thing says wrong. It
Speaker 4: says the building represents the office where Brandon and Steve
Speaker 4: ran their student newspaper. It's student newspaper. AI, Come on this, AI,
Speaker 4: get your crap together. AI, But fans like to go
Speaker 4: buy it, says, So what do we think of Valerie?
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for this her as an actress
Speaker 2: like Tiffany, to be having to do the same storyline
Speaker 2: over and over it.
Speaker 4: I feel bad for Noah, who's wrongfully been arrested.
Speaker 3: Because Amy loves Noah. Now she loves him.
Speaker 2: I do. I didn't like in the scene in the
Speaker 2: office when he took the guy's briefcase and slammed it down.
Speaker 4: I didn't understand why he was still you'll leave the
Speaker 4: money here, Like why, yeah, why didn't he say get
Speaker 4: out of it, get take your stinking money and get
Speaker 4: out of here.
Speaker 2: I guess because that was his customer's money.
Speaker 4: Maybe okay, oh yeah, maybe he's going to return all
Speaker 4: the money.
Speaker 5: That's right. How about Donna.
Speaker 2: Just sleeping on the boat way to go? Donna?
Speaker 3: Thanks? I like my own pigtails, my red pigtails.
Speaker 2: Wait for you. Your characters like gone from like I'll
Speaker 2: be a virgin until I'm married, until now being like,
Speaker 2: let's go go a few rounds on the boat, let's
Speaker 2: go all the way if the boat is a rock,
Speaker 2: and don't come in on.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm just floating with it. I mean, the thing is,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 5: What do you.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to choose my words carefully. Okay, once you
Speaker 3: know you have done the deed and made that choice,
Speaker 3: perhaps again twenty two year old, you know, she's like, well,
Speaker 3: I didn't wait for marriage.
Speaker 5: Wait.
Speaker 3: I thought that was going to be my forever with
Speaker 3: David and it didn't work out, And so now she
Speaker 3: could have wait a little longer. I understand.
Speaker 5: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think she needs a way a little longer.
Speaker 2: I just think it's cute because the juxaposition of the
Speaker 2: character and how cockly you switch. I see what you're
Speaker 2: saying about, like once you give the milk away, then
Speaker 2: then the farmer leaves, and then the milk the cow
Speaker 2: still needs to be milked.
Speaker 3: I remember my mom telling me that.
Speaker 2: About it.
Speaker 3: Granted, like I was a virgin, but she I just
Speaker 3: remember her being like, why give the milk away?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 4: Why buy the cow when you give the milk away
Speaker 4: for free.
Speaker 2: When you can get the milk for free?
Speaker 3: Right, And it's a seventeen year old girl. I heard
Speaker 3: them like, oh mom, it's kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 2: Little it's so like in the timeframe of the Beverly Hillbillies,
Speaker 2: like those very dated side.
Speaker 5: Yeah, true, you know what I mean, Like, the cow
Speaker 5: should be able to do what the cow wants.
Speaker 2: And also it shouldn't be called a cow, right, it's
Speaker 2: called a cow.
Speaker 3: I really kiss this boy. But bottom line, the cow
Speaker 3: can do what the cow wants.
Speaker 2: How do I feel about this episode? What do you
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to feel better than previous ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least the ending was exciting.
Speaker 3: Everything we have to talk about.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 3: First of all, you guys, I thought Steve Sanders. I
Speaker 3: really enjoyed him this episode because I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: like he's done some bad stuff and always like I
Speaker 3: don't know, it was a stand up best friend.
Speaker 4: Now that's a guys guy. Yeah, there's a couple things
Speaker 4: with Steve. So Steve was willing to take the hit
Speaker 4: for Brandon, and they do bring up all Steve's past,
Speaker 4: you know, indiscretions, plagiarism, to mess ups. Right, But I
Speaker 4: also was like, yuck, yucky. You're friends with Kelly too,
Speaker 4: this is yucky. Yeah, oh what came first? The chicken
Speaker 4: or the egg? You know what came first?
Speaker 2: Killy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, right, Wow, it's really yeah, threw the
Speaker 3: cow the chicken?
Speaker 2: Care?
Speaker 4: And how do we feel about Steve and Hillary's wink?
Speaker 2: I think I feel any different than we've ever felt.
Speaker 2: We're just kind of it's kind of like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: nice to see Steve growing up a little Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, same old crap too with the like don't
Speaker 4: tell her you had the double cheeseburger and then like
Speaker 4: cross the ur or just.
Speaker 2: Telling Brandon he said, never tell the truth until you
Speaker 2: try lying first.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's what he said to him.
Speaker 3: That's right, he did do that. I guess I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about the part that I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's that's a friend that would go Yeah, he could
Speaker 3: go down in every single way here and cost his
Speaker 3: relation everything and he did that for Brandon because he
Speaker 3: loves it. So I that's the part I like about him.
Speaker 2: But do you think he would have gone like I
Speaker 2: would have done the whole like gun until let Carlely
Speaker 2: find out and broken up with Carly with this lie?
Speaker 2: Do you think he was?
Speaker 3: I wonder if he really thought that out. And maybe
Speaker 3: that's telling right there that Carly's not ding ding ding
Speaker 3: ding ding ding ding okay, because he must have. No,
Speaker 3: he doesn't think.
Speaker 5: I don't even think he thought it through.
Speaker 2: I think he would have just told her that I
Speaker 2: didn't actually do it right, So true, I want to
Speaker 2: give this episode. I don't know. I think it's like,
Speaker 2: there's so much.
Speaker 5: Could we just talk about your scene?
Speaker 2: I'm ready to be done with that.
Speaker 4: The storyline between you all is more like eight point five,
Speaker 4: but the rest is like a seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's same, oh same, oh yeah, just.
Speaker 4: The same old. David's got an artist? Can she play
Speaker 4: the pa pad Valerie? Oh?
Speaker 5: I don't want to, Okay, I'll do it for you.
Speaker 4: It's just like, oh my god, I've seen this so
Speaker 4: many times.
Speaker 2: I'm curious.
Speaker 5: Are they couple sort of? A? Yeah, they sort of
Speaker 5: are like they are.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing, I'm taking.
Speaker 2: Myself out of it. You can't you can't, I can't
Speaker 2: let me.
Speaker 3: I actually, as a viewer, don't they They had chemistry
Speaker 3: when they were together before, but now together, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is a non m It's just the way it's
Speaker 3: written though. At the two of them, you just like
Speaker 3: don't want them to be together and you don't get the.
Speaker 2: Hair right because we kind of like David just because
Speaker 2: of his origin on the show, So he's like one
Speaker 2: of our core people. Yeah, he can mess up, just
Speaker 2: like Okay, so he messed up and we still love him.
Speaker 2: So now I guess Brandon's supposed to be able to
Speaker 2: mess up and we will still love him. Have any
Speaker 2: of the girls ever helped me think this? Or have
Speaker 2: any of the girls ever like cheated on somebody and
Speaker 2: then been still liked for it.
Speaker 3: Or had a fatal flaw but everyone ignoredon went poor Valeries.
Speaker 2: Valerie, that's her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but in theory, okay, so we're gonna go with
Speaker 3: the core cast, right, not that she's not Okay, he's
Speaker 3: there to do bad thing.
Speaker 2: Gabrielle cheats on Jesse.
Speaker 3: With that point, he's not there anymore, so you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So my point So Brenda, wait, Brenda, Donna.
Speaker 3: David still there. So Kelly and Donna Brenda did.
Speaker 2: Never do anything like that? Right? Am I? Right? Am
Speaker 2: I wrong? I have no idea she did she cheated
Speaker 2: in Paris?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, right on on Dylan? Was it on Dylan?
Speaker 2: She cheated on?
Speaker 3: It was not on Brandon.
Speaker 2: Or Steve, so it must have been telling. Okay, great, yep,
Speaker 2: But we did we see that? Was that? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we saw that whole thing happened. I feel like we
Speaker 2: forgive a lot of things on this show. But also
Speaker 2: she was a lot younger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, but wait, oh I like this, this is fun.
Speaker 3: So poor were going back to the females that are
Speaker 3: still here. Did Donna ever Joe, Kelly and Donna have
Speaker 3: they ever done anything that they It should be like
Speaker 3: not redeemed?
Speaker 4: Are you dating two people the fireman and someone else
Speaker 4: at the same time and trying to remember?
Speaker 2: Yes, but she wasn't They knew about it? I think right?
Speaker 3: They did? They were, They were upfront about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, God, you should have stayed with Cameron Bancroft.
Speaker 2: He really messed that up.
Speaker 5: I loved him.
Speaker 3: Jill loves Donna the parent.
Speaker 2: The other things, though, were more like crimes against themselves.
Speaker 2: You know, like I love that, like things that they
Speaker 2: did that were not good for themselves, but they never
Speaker 2: did something that was purposely not good for their partners.
Speaker 4: I just think about, like what could they have done
Speaker 4: on the show to be less Trophy?
Speaker 2: But like I don't know, Yeah, how would you make
Speaker 2: it less? I don't know, ahead give it a try.
Speaker 5: I've been thinking that in my mind, like four times.
Speaker 3: Four times Trophy has been said, yeah, just calling it out.
Speaker 5: Everybody drink when.
Speaker 4: Or Jumpy the sharky jump be the shark. It's not
Speaker 4: even Jumpy the sharky. It's just Trophy number five.
Speaker 2: It's not to you guys. Oh jee, any way to
Speaker 2: go little vodka in that mudy we'll hair the dog
Speaker 2: or the cow or the chicken.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's not bad, nothing's bad. It's just not great. So
Speaker 2: what do you give it?
Speaker 5: Seven and a half?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: I gotta say though that end scene, I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to watch next week. I'm sorry, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, with Kelly and Brandon, I was like this.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see them fighting.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Jen, this happens to you because it did
Speaker 3: happen to me. But yeah, it still was like, in
Speaker 3: order to play those emotions of somebody being cheated on,
Speaker 3: you have to let it seek through a layer of
Speaker 3: your human well.
Speaker 4: And that tape is sort of like it's like a
Speaker 4: tricky because he kind of says I had feelings for
Speaker 4: you or whatever he says. But I felt like he
Speaker 4: was saying that at the time to just kind of
Speaker 4: get rid of her. So I don't think he actually,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. That tape must have been
Speaker 4: so painful to listen to.
Speaker 3: Can you what would be the today version of that recording?
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be voice memo because it was recording a conversation.
Speaker 2: What would it be hidden camera? Just somebody recording on
Speaker 2: an voice.
Speaker 3: Like can you do that on your phone? Asking for
Speaker 3: a friend?
Speaker 5: Yeah? People do that crap all the time.
Speaker 4: I think it's illegal, But like you can record a
Speaker 4: call illegally, illegally, illegally, okay.
Speaker 3: A snapchat photo.
Speaker 2: So if you were to record a call like that,
Speaker 2: like Emma Ditch, would she what do you mean illegally?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 4: You're not allowed but in California to record someone without
Speaker 4: telling them. I'm not a lawyer, but I think I'm right.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to just record someone
Speaker 4: without letting them know.
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm how on Ryan's roses they always have
Speaker 3: to say, Ryan has to say just to let you
Speaker 3: know right right on the radio. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Or you can get permission after too, if you like,
Speaker 4: you know, if you were doing that, and then you'd say, hey,
Speaker 4: can we air this and they can say yes, okay.
Speaker 3: But in real life, so even back then, is she
Speaker 3: allowed to record it and then play it for somebody?
Speaker 3: Could she be arrested?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, it's like you're not allowed to record people
Speaker 4: without their knowledge.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not a lawyer, so I'm making this up basically,
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure there's like you're not allowed to just.
Speaker 3: Record people, but you play one on a podcast, You're fine.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know how when you call you know,
Speaker 4: Comcast Cable, it says this line may be recorded.
Speaker 2: They have to say insurance. Yeah, that's more to like
Speaker 2: make sure that their employees are not being like, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't like you. I don't care what carrier you listen, It's.
Speaker 5: Not the fault you be.
Speaker 3: I gotta say though, Wait, Kelly is coming back to
Speaker 3: Donna and the beach apartment. Is this happening? She says,
Speaker 3: I'm going to stay with Donna, But yeah, she moved
Speaker 3: back in permanently. Make me so happy?
Speaker 2: She mess because where else is she gonna go? Right,
Speaker 2: she should have never moved into Brandon's. I know that
Speaker 2: was kind of a bad call.
Speaker 4: I also was just obsessed with the decor of the wallshouse.
Speaker 3: It's so bad.
Speaker 4: All the shop keys on the shelf, the wall art
Speaker 4: is just horrendous.
Speaker 2: The blanket over the couch, it's just so bad. It's
Speaker 2: just the color theme in general. It makes you want
Speaker 2: to just like lay down in a ditch.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, this house is decorated horrifically.
Speaker 3: I had good bones though, that's good house. Where's Jamie Blake? Now?
Speaker 2: Do you think she had a She did some vocals recently.
Speaker 2: I saw that. Oh great for a bit. Wait four,
Speaker 2: she's still singing. She's still sanging. That's good stuff, you guys.
Speaker 2: Great episode. I feel like, I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 2: really excited to watch Kelly and Brandon deal with this.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it gets old.
Speaker 3: That's just a trauma tricker.
Speaker 4: I don't want to like scare anyone gets a little
Speaker 4: dull for a minute. Here, it's a little dull.
Speaker 3: Oh, it does gets dull. We just unduled it now
Speaker 3: I kind of dullgether?
Speaker 4: And then yeah, next week is season eight, episode seventeen,
Speaker 4: the Elephant's father.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gets random. Uh woa, who's the elephant?
Speaker 3: Give us a little hint so people are excited to
Speaker 3: listen to this, ak us.
Speaker 4: What I remember is it sort of like random storyline,
Speaker 4: random storyline, random storyline, random story.
Speaker 2: Who's the elephant? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What's the reference?
Speaker 2: I don't remember it yet. Oh man, is like the.
Speaker 3: Elephant in the room. Probably not that I don't All
Speaker 3: cat's out of the bag now.
Speaker 2: I cannot, in my wildest dreams imagine what it could
Speaker 2: be about. Well, guess what we're gonna pay that the
Speaker 2: title one short week? Okay, and then actually to watch
Speaker 2: I want to see, if nothing else, just to explain
Speaker 2: the title exactly there, Bye bye,