1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Just didn't win enough games, and it's really that simple. 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Got Paul Calvicy with Berg Gang. Together we react to 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: the firing of head coach Jonathan Gannon and what owner 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell and GM monteyhautin Fort had to say on 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Monday at Cardinals Cover two, episode nine sixty eight and 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: it starts now. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Poda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcast. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 3: Right up the five hit the end zone for the 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: Cardinal touchdown. Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster. 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: So I don't want to speak for you, Paul. I 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: mean I think I could, but I don't. It's this 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of my life's mission. Did not speak for others, 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: but I'd. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 3: Probably be well served if you did. Honestly, you know, 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm in a bit of a losing streak myself, So 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: go ahead. 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: I walked in to work this morning with zero expectation, 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: knowing that, yeah, something could happen. Something might not happen, 24 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: but when it does happen, it's still a bit jarring, 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: at least for me covering an individual for three years. 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: As the Arizona Cardinals fired head coach Jonathan Gannon, and 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: we can get into the reasoning. But in the National 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Football League, when you finish three and fourteen and when 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: you don't win, change happens. And we discussed it here 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: throughout on a number of different platforms, whether it was 31 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: during the week or on game day, change is inevitable. 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: And that's the front office, that's the coaching staff, that's 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: the roster, and the first of what could be several 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: changes happened on Monday. 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 3: Look, we could spend a lot of time trying to 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: drill deep into the how the why you could stay, 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: a case for either or stay or go, but ultimately, 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: that record, that record is almighty and three and fourteen 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 3: when you're a country mile behind the rest of the 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: division in the standings. Yes, we go back to week 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: three and four when you're a much more healthy team, 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: and then will walk off losses very competitive games. Games 43 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: arguably you should have won against the Niners and Seahawks, 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: but that's not the way it ended. And if you 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 3: want to go back and I did you want to 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: go back to the bye week twenty twenty four, Cardinals 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: have lost nineteen out of twenty four. So if you're 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: looking at the win loss record and you're trying to 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: stay the case five and nineteen, since you were six 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: and four a year ago twenty twenty four at the 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: bye and what happened, why did it happen? Ultimately, guess 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: what it's under the purview of the head coach. And 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: you know for that reason, the same reason you brought 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: them into in still accountabiliting in that locker room, and 55 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: he most definitely did. Jonathan Gannon came in heavy his 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: first year, and even Michael Bidwell and many ossinfort cited 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: the accountability that's been established, how the culture has changed 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: from the inside out. You don't just build a roster 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: inside out in the trenches, you build a locker room 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: from the inside out. 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: That's all there. 62 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: But that accountability also applies to the head coach and 63 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: his assistants. And in this case the extreme case where 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: once again you're five to nineteen, since by week twenty 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: twenty four, well a. 66 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: Decision was made and fifteen and thirty six and three 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: seasons over on. As Michael Bidwell said during what was 68 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: a twenty three minute press conference on Monday, this league 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: is about wins and losses, and he later added, quote, 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: we were going in the wrong direction before we get 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: into some of the reasons. And what else was said 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: during the press conference. You brought up Jonathan Gannon. You 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: dealt with him on a more closely based than I 74 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: did weekly, whether it was the TV show on Mondays 75 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: or on game day because, as Michael did mention before 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: anything else, JG quote made us better as an organization, 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: and I don't think we should lose sight of that. Yes, 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: you're judged on your win loss record, but remember what 79 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: this roster looked like when MANI and JG first enter 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: the building. Where it is now certainly not good enough 81 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: judged by on the wins and losses, but what this 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: team has come from to be able to be more 83 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: competitive than it was prior to them arriving. And it 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: does say a lot about Jonathan Gennon the person first 85 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: and foremost, because we talked about it. When you're looking 86 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: at free agents or the draft, it's the person first, 87 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: then the talent. In order to get into that locker room, 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: and that was a conscious effort. And again they brought 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: in the right people. It just didn't amount to enough 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: wins for JG to keep his job. I go back 91 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: to his first year. 92 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: It's December, Cardinals already eliminated from the playoff race. They 93 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: had spent first half of the season plus without Kyler Murray. 94 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: They go into Pittsburgh, they get a win. They go 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: into Philadelphia, they get a win. I mean, vastly under 96 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: talented versus those other two rosters, but they found a 97 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: way in hostile environments. Jonathan Gannon was getting heckled by 98 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: all those Eagles fans over the first half of the game. Well, 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: by the time the second half rolled around and the 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: Cardinals took the lead, everyone was unloading on Nick Sirianni. 101 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: So the entire climate changed, both on the road and 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: then also within the confines of the Cardinals headquarters. And 103 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: I paused because, look, Jonathan Gannon was really good to us, 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: really good in doing his media. We did his TV show, 105 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: had the pleasure of co hosting that every week for 106 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: three years, and first off, his answers were much better 107 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: than our questions. There's no argument about that. But he 108 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: was an even better human than than he is a 109 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: head football coach, and for him to walk in and 110 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: let's just put it this way, he's very self aware. 111 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: He knew exactly what was going on. He had no 112 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: problem admitting where areas need to be improved and elevated. 113 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: And he was the one who would always point the 114 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: finger at himself first. So a lot of respect for 115 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: a lot of different reasons, Jonathan Gannon, and it was 116 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: a lot of different reasons. It ultimately did not work 117 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: in his three years. 118 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Even JG postgame Sunday after the loss at the Rams quote, 119 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: change has to come, and it did, and unfortunately it 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: came at his expense. But again, it's wins and losses, 121 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: and that was the major theme of the press conference 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: from owner Michael Bidwell and general manager Manti Austin for it, 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: because it was mentioned several different times. Yes, injuries play 124 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: a factor, but you are judged by what your win 125 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: loss record is. And that's why there are five other 126 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: head coaches openings right now here on this Monday, with 127 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: maybe more to come. You have to win in this 128 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: league and that's what you're judged, no matter how good 129 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: of a person you might be. 130 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: So his Monday press conference coming off the loss at Cincinnati, 131 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: going into LA and the season finale against the Rams. 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: I have the transcript here loosely quoting him. At one point, 133 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: he said, you know what, we're gonna have those conversations. 134 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: Changes will be made through adversity. We got a change. 135 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: I have to change. You tell anyone in this business. 136 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: He talk to anyone in this business. It's adapt or die. 137 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: So he's already laying the foundation for a lot of change. 138 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: He knew it was coming, not sure he knew it 139 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: was going to be in the head coach's office. But 140 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: to your point, Craig, I think we were all bracing 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: on this Monday for some sort of change. Was it 142 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: going to be the coordinators, Was it going to be 143 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: elsewhere within the staff? Well, it turns out it was 144 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: the head coach, and then on the way down. So 145 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: with that in mind, okay, we'll see. Look, there's gonna 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: be a different voice in there, there'll be different systems 147 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: in place. But ultimately, and we've talked about this throughout 148 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: the season, you know you have three of the best 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: head coaches in the division, which obviously accelerated and heightened 150 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: the urgency you have to find a way to compete 151 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: with Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shannan, now Mike McDonald. It 152 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: is real, It is extremely real, the caliber competition in 153 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: the NFC West. 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: You look at the final standings and on Cardinal talk 155 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: myself and Rob Frederickson, we're talking about this because you 156 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: look at where the Cardinals finish compared to the Seahawks, 157 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: Rams and forty nine ers. Are the Cardinals eleven games 158 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: worse than the Seahawks? Are they nine games worse than 159 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: the Rams and forty nine ers? Or flip it? Are 160 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: the Seahawks that much better than the Cardinals? Are the 161 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: Rams and forty nine ers that much better? Record wise? Absolutely? 162 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Now can you argue talent wise? That's I think where 163 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: where a lot of this gets into some of the 164 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: nuanced as far as okay, player development was talked a 165 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: lot about even before the decision to part ways with 166 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gennon. Health was talked a lot about based off 167 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: who was and who wasn't available, In the fact that 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: on Sunday the Cardinals used an eighty first different player. 169 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Tejon Palmer made his NFL debut became player number eighty 170 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: one Wow to suit up for at least one game 171 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals, all real, all explanations and acknowledged 172 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: as such. Yet at the same time that can't be 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the crutch you lean on when you're making this decision 174 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: whether retain or move forward with someone else. And I 175 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: think ultimately it was again, where is this team moving 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: forward with? Or where is this team going? And from 177 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: two to zero to three and fourteen, I think that 178 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: more than anything, and how the season kind of got 179 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: out of control, the inability to stop the losing, and 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: then not just the losses, but all of a sudden, 181 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: it's ten ten, then forty five to ten, or it's 182 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: your head twenty three to sixteen, and then you'll lose 183 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. It's okay, are we do? We 184 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: have the right people in place in order to right 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: the ship and the words of Michael Bidwell quote, we 186 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: were going in the wrong direction. You know what. 187 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. I call it this 188 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: sideways stat and honor Craig Grieolu himself. Remember you can't 189 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: spell Grioleu without the AI. I went and hit the 190 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: numbers generated a little bit here and just a quick 191 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: purview of what happened. This sideways stat are ham fisted 192 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: analytic if you will, about you know, all of a sudden, 193 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: it's a game, and then it's not a game to 194 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: your point. Week fourteen, it was ten ten, ended up 195 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: forty five to ten, thirty five straight points by the Rams. 196 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: Week seventeen, at Cincinnati, it's thirteen to seven second quarter, 197 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: By late third quarter, it's thirty seven to seven. This 198 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: last game against the Rams, you were up twenty to sixteen. 199 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: Rams scored the final twenty one points. You got down 200 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 3: thirty five nothing at Seattle the second quarter. You were 201 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: down against the Niners thirty five to ten late third quarters. 202 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: So for all the. 203 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 3: Close losses, and there were eight of them one score less, 204 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: and there were seven by four points or fewer, there 205 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: were also games that got out of hand. You were 206 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: down thirty to seven in the third quarter at Houston. Okay, 207 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: why you know, where is the remedy for that? How 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: do you address that? Now? Does somebody have to do 209 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 3: with the out of the playoff race? And when you 210 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: get behind two scores and all of a sudden, the 211 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: bottom falls out, and maybe the compete level isn't quite 212 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: what it was earlier in the game. Sure, and we've 213 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: seen that plenty of teams, plenty of head coaches, even 214 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski, who has fired two time NFL Coach of 215 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: the Year. You know, he's won seven games the last 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: two years, even though he had taken the Browns to 217 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: their first playoff win and how many decades, and he 218 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: did it with five quarterbacks in the same season. It 219 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: was a miraculous coaching job. Is all of a sudden 220 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: he a terrible head coach, No, but the Browns felt 221 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: the need for it change and I think the same 222 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: applies in this case. And then there's player development. Where 223 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: are you with Marvin Irrison Junior and Darius Robinson? You know, 224 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: is there more that could have been gained under different 225 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: coaching with those two first round picks. Those are all 226 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: part of the decision making process. If you're Moniasafordy for 227 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, and if you're trying to get more return 228 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: on investment, especially out of that twenty twenty four draft 229 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: class all dozen players, then maybe a new voice, maybe 230 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: a set of new techniques and practice habits might be 231 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: the key. 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Well, and then something that Dave Passion a Q Shipley, 233 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: We're talking a lot about on Sunday was Michael Wilson. 234 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: And first and foremost congratulations to Michael on reaching one 235 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: thousand receiving yards in a single season for the first 236 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: time in his career. But why did it take an 237 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: injury to Marvin to find out what you had in 238 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Michael Wilson as far as the productivity? And then even 239 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: on Sunday, Elijah Jones his first defensive snaps of his career, 240 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: two passes defensed. Again, where was why wasn't that there? 241 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: And again these are all and we can go through 242 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: a list of reasons and explanations. But again, as Michael 243 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: Bidwell said, it's the big pictures, not just the injuries, 244 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: but it player development. Are players developing or what is missing? 245 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: As far as why is their talent on the sideline 246 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: and not on the football field. 247 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: And again, other teams are ultra banged up. A forty 248 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: nine ers outfit that always deals with injuries for whatever reason. 249 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: You know, that's part of the equation too. You go 250 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: into the offseason. 251 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: Is it bad luck? 252 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: Does it go beyond bad luck? I know the Niners 253 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: have done their own deep dives into why they have 254 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 3: been one of the most injured and banged up teams 255 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: over the last decade. Okay, so what does that tell you? 256 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: What do you find out? Do you have to implement 257 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: some different processes throughout the entirety of the offseason. I 258 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: do think was interesting that Michael Wilson when meeting the 259 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: media going into the Rams game, and he was at 260 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: his locker and he had a few things to say, 261 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson and just about how when things go wrong 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: you have to make changes in his mind, and he 263 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: talked about changing all the processes. And it's right here. 264 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: Whatever we did last offseason clearly wasn't good enough, said 265 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson. It did not do enough to put us 266 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: in a position to succeed. I'm a firm believer your 267 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: preparation directly correlates to your outcome, and so next year 268 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: we definitely have to look at ourselves in the mirror 269 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: and change a lot about our. 270 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: Process end quote. 271 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: I think when you see that in print, it's pretty telling, 272 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: and it sounds like the decision makers agreed that guess 273 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: what different processes were required? 274 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: What was done Monday through Saturday in order for to 275 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: be successful on Sunday not good enough during the week 276 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: to be successful on Sunday. The other thing that stood 277 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: out to me from Monday's press conference was Michael Bidwell 278 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: talking about the games that we let get away, and 279 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: we bring up the one score the one score games 280 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals this season. You brought it up, there 281 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: were eight one score losses, ten total one score games 282 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals went to and eight. Well, you look at the 283 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: three seasons under Jonathan Gannon and I did this math 284 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: right before we hit record here on Monday. But Jonathan 285 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Gannon coached fifty one games. Twenty five of the fifty 286 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: one were one score games, whether you won or off, 287 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: they were one possession games. Cardinals went seven to eighteen. 288 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: You lost eighteen of the twenty five one score possession games. 289 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: You win half of those a quarter of those, and 290 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: maybe the record looks a little bit better. But and 291 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: one score games, it's one it's talent. But then to 292 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: what are the decisions being made to start the game, 293 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: to end the first half, to close out games. Again, 294 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: that comes back to what Jonathan Gannon always says, It 295 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: starts with me, and ultimately Michael Bidwell many Austin Ford 296 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: agreed that the change need to be made with the head. 297 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: Coach and we've been saying this for a couple of years, 298 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: and I firmly believe this. In my twenty plus years 299 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: of on the Cardinals sideline, I might not know much, 300 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: but I think I know this much, and that is 301 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: just because they're close on the scoreboard does not mean 302 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: you're close in the win loss standings. Look at Jacksonville 303 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: a year ago, went three and ten and one score games, 304 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: brought in a new head coach, Liam Cohen. All of 305 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: a sudden, they're right up there vying for the number 306 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: one seed in the AFC Division champions And a lot 307 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: of the head to do with finding a way gaining 308 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: the ability to win the close games. The vast majority 309 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: of games in the NFL are indeed one score games. 310 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: So that is a skill set, that is something you 311 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: developed that a team goes in and has that ability 312 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: or they don't. And too often the Cardinals were on 313 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: the wrong end of those one score games, and they 314 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: were a play away in New Orleans, and they were 315 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: a play away against Carolina from going over in those 316 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: one score games. And so that's how close it was. 317 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: And what does that mean? How do you identify that 318 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 3: in the next head coach and coaching staff. Well, that 319 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: is a huge question. That is a big part of 320 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: the equation in trying to find the right guide to 321 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: fill that role. 322 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Jaguars, and that wasn't mentioned specifically by 323 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell, but he did mention teams that had made 324 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: changes just a year ago turned things around and made 325 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Jaguars, Patriots, Bears. Three teams that have first 326 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: year head coaches, although Mike Rabel not really a first 327 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: year I mean it's his first year in New England. 328 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: He has previous head coaching experience. 329 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just say this. Do you remember when 330 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: New England came in the end of twenty twenty four 331 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: and the utter lack of talent on that field? Yes, 332 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: they were arguably the least talented roster in the entire 333 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: NFL at the end of twenty twenty four. Remember talking 334 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: with Wolf and Dave Pash in the pregame and just 335 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: looking at them warming up, looking at the flip card. 336 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, they have Christian Gonzales at corner and 337 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 3: Drake May he's a nice player. Yuck, yuck, yuck, and 338 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: nothing and the old line was abysmal. What do they do? 339 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: They fixed the offensive line? Look at New England now 340 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 3: and they brought in a capable head coach. Obviously, you 341 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: think Tennessee wants Mike Rabel back at this point. And 342 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: then what did the Bears do? Talk to a Q Shipley. 343 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: They fixed the offensive line. What was the difference between 344 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: the Bears and Lions this year? The Lions old line 345 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: was injured and they had lost a couple starters in 346 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: the offseason. They faltered. So look at the teams that 347 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: have rebounded. Look at the Carolina Panthers right there in 348 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: the playoffs. They fixed the offensive line. They invested heavily 349 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 3: in the offensive line. So to me, you know, regardless 350 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 3: of who the head coach is and the coaching staff 351 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 3: this offseason, that is job number one. If you're the 352 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals. 353 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: Free agency of the draft, the line of scrimmage. Last 354 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: offseason it was the defensive line. Certainly makes sense that 355 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: this offseason is the offense line. I know it's not 356 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: that simple, but certainly you have to invest in the 357 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. More importantly, get the right people in 358 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: the building that knock on wood can stay healthy and 359 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: not have what happened this season as far as the 360 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: number of injuries and different players to wear an Arizona 361 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals uniform. As far as the next head coach, no 362 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: real specifics from Amanti Austin Ford except to say they 363 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: want a strong leader, someone that's going to work on 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: one player development and yes, put our players in position 365 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: to be successful. So you look at the landscape out 366 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: there and they're going to be a bunch of names 367 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: floated out. But you also have to take into account, 368 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, there are five other teams looking 369 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: for head coaches. Titans, Giants, Falcons, Browns, Raiders, and Cardinals. 370 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: Those are the six teams looking for a head coach 371 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: as of Monday afternoon. Maybe that changes, maybe the number 372 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: goes up, but you have to be aware of that 373 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: competition if you're looking to speak to or potentially higher 374 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: maybe the same set of candidates. There is a process 375 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: for all of this, and there's not gonna be a 376 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: new head coach hired tomorrow or this week. It's gonna 377 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: be it's gonna take a little while. And the last 378 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: time this Cardinals team was looking for a head coach, 379 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: they were the last team to hire one. That was 380 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon after the Super Bowl. 381 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: And you know what, they were the last team to 382 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: hire in the Bruce Arians cycle and he ended up 383 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: being a home run. So and there's no rhyme or 384 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: reason as to exactly what the qualifications are. Bruce Arians 385 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: had never been a full time head coach. He is 386 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: the interim head coach. He was I remember the whole 387 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 3: sixty and sexy in the whole thing, right he came 388 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: in he was older. Or you're gonna go with some 389 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: guy who's in his thirties, you know, Jonathan Gannon was 390 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: hired at age forty. Are you gonna go with an 391 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: offensive guy a defensive guy. You're gonna go with someone 392 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: who's been a head coach in the NFL and has 393 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: proven that regard or an up and comer Mike McDonald 394 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: first time head coach, look at him. Now for Seattle, 395 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: you just have to find the most capable, incompetent head 396 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: coach who can check all those bots. Doesn't and I 397 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: think MANI said this, and I couldn't agree more. Doesn't 398 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: matter if it's offense or defense, although they're going to 399 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 3: have to have some really qualified and talented coordinators in mind. 400 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: That's one of the big questions, all right, how are 401 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: you going to fill out your staff? Name some names. 402 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: Who are you going to realistically be able to bring 403 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: in to run both sides of the ball. But right now, 404 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 3: way too really to speculate on specific names unless you 405 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: want me to go hot take and I'll just throw 406 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: out like, oh, I don't know, like grab your Rouvin 407 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: Mits for this one. You know, maybe Carson Palmer, you know, 408 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: come on, go after Carson Palmer, you know, get I mean, 409 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: bring him in for an interview at least, come on. 410 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: He just won the California State high school championship. He 411 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: knows the NFL inside and out. If you can coach, 412 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: you can coach. Remember Jim Harbaugh from the moment he 413 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 3: took over the University of San Diego, the dude was 414 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: going to be a prodigy. He didn't need no stink 415 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: in USD or Stanford. You could have put him in 416 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: the NFL at that very moment. And the moment you 417 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: did put him in the NFL with the forty nine ers, 418 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: he won big. 419 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: So if Carson is the head coach, let me just 420 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: take a while. Guess here his coordinator are Drew Stanton, 421 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: maybe Frosty Rucker on the defensive side, the whole USC 422 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: connection and the Cardinals a Q Shipley is the offensive 423 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: line coach? Hey face, what are you doing here? The 424 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: wide receiver coach? Who am I missing? 425 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: Paul? I don't know. I know that there's a lot 426 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 3: of rogue personalities in there. I don't know if he 427 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 3: could hold all those guys accountable. I'm not really sure 428 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: about that. Boy, would that be fascinating to cover? So 429 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to see if 430 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: anyone's paying attention. Just I just want to keep everybody's 431 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: head on a swivel. Right there, I throw that out there. 432 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: We will pay attention here on Cardinals cover too, and 433 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: do our best to make sure that we have all 434 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: the names covered. And maybe, who knows, maybe Carson Palmer 435 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: does get an interview. If he does, Paul, I will 436 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: be the first to shake your hand and say, congratulations, 437 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: you are way ahead on anyone else well coaching search. 438 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: Okay, let's get real. If you want to do what 439 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: the rest of the NFL does and just raid the 440 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: Sean McVeagh tree, then the current offensive coordinator is Mike Lafleur. Yeah, 441 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's going to be a name out there 442 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: just because let's see, the last three O season went 443 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: through under Sean McVay would be Matt Lafleur, Liam Cohen, 444 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connell with the Minnesota Vikings, all having a 445 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: lot of success. So you know there's gonna be a 446 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: RAMS candidate on the list. It just so much to 447 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 3: be there, has to be. It's just the way, as 448 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: one veteran head coach joked about ten years ago, I 449 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: could be that could be QC quality control on Sean 450 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 3: McVay staff get more head coaching interviews than being a 451 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: coordinator somewhere else. So I'm guessing that's going to be 452 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: part of it. Beyond that, no idea. Kevin Stefanski obviously 453 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: is going to be on the market. He'll get he'll 454 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: get a lot of attention. I'm sure he'll get a 455 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: very serious offer somewhere. But you know, do you have 456 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: a gut feel as to whether you think they're looking 457 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: for someone with proven head coaching experience. Are they looking 458 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: for the next up and comer, you know, someone just 459 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: a really talented person. You know it comes in and 460 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: can immediately assume that role as a natural as a 461 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: leader of men. I'm very intrigued exactly who might be 462 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: on the list. 463 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: Is there that young up and comer like a Sean 464 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: McVay that you can hire and all of a sudden 465 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: he's your leader for the foreseeable future. Or because you've 466 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: tried that young head coach previously. Dennis Green's the last 467 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: head coach hired with previous head coaching experience. Interesting with 468 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: a little asterisk next to Bruce Arians who was the 469 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: interim head coach for the Indianapolis Colts. So do you 470 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: go that direction? Do you need always? Do you go 471 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: complete opposite of what you have been doing in order 472 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: to write this ship? Do you need that veteran presence? 473 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: That strong leader? Doesn't mean you have to have had 474 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: head coaching experience prior to be a strong leader, But 475 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: is that what maybe you're leaning towards because you went 476 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: with the inexperience in Jonathan Gannon. 477 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: Here's another name I'll throw out in response to your 478 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: question there. You might want to take my car keys 479 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: at this point? What about like advance Joseph just work 480 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 3: with me here for a minute. Okay, two years away 481 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: from the Cardinals, knows the fabric of the organization really well. 482 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: He's been a head coach in the league. Obviously it 483 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: failed with Denver, but there were a lot of quarterback 484 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 3: issues when he was the head coach of the Broncos. 485 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 3: Broncos thought enough of him they brought him back in 486 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator role. He just served under Sean Payton 487 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Yes, he has a lot 488 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: of talent on that defense, I get it. But we 489 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: know him as a great leader of men. He's phenomenal 490 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: with the media, does a really good job of being 491 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: demanding without demeaning. You know, there's the accountability there, and 492 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: again I think there's the maturity. Someone in his mid 493 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: fifties enough seasoning, you had enough energy. 494 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: You know. 495 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: I'm just using him as an example of someone who 496 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: might be that sort of head coach with those sort 497 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: of qualifications. But you know, he interviewed if memory serves 498 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: for the job that Jonathan Gannon got, So there's obviously 499 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 3: a level of familiarity. I wonder if you circle back 500 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: and you bring him at least back into the building 501 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: for an interview. 502 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: Put it this way, that has more likely to happen 503 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: than Carson Palmer being hired as head coach. Let me 504 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: add this as well. 505 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: Let me use tract that maybe Cody should just edit 506 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: out my Carson Palmer. Take well and think about that. 507 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: Bance is hired. Any chance we can have him bring 508 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: back Zach Allen with now you're talking now, now I'm 509 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: getting greedy. Wow. 510 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all. We allowed one to get away and 511 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: bring back. Can we can we make it? Can we 512 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: make it two for two? 513 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: I do pause for a moment, Big number ninety nine 514 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 3: up there in the orange Crush uniform. Yep, that would 515 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 3: be a great dude to have back in the building. 516 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: That is one that got away. There's no doubt about that. 517 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: So it's just it's interesting. You know, we're like an 518 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: hour removed from the press conference, and we're obviously spitballing here. 519 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: But I just I don't think there's any necessary a 520 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: prerequisite of any sort. I mean, they're just bringing in 521 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 3: someone and they're going to research every and all angles 522 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: to figure out, Okay, who is the most talented, who 523 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: is the most qualified, and who's the best fit. And 524 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: there is reason to be optimistic when it comes to 525 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: the weapons you have on offense. There is reason to 526 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: be optimistic with some of those pieces you have on defense, 527 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: whether it's young corners obviously a Buddha baker. I'm gonna 528 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: say it again, the biggest blow the Cardinals took all 529 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: year was Mac Wilson Senior, losing the quarterback of the defense, 530 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: their middle linebacker. And so with that, what they've invested 531 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: in the defensive line, knock on wood. Walter Nolan's knee 532 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: injury maybe doesn't require the entirety of the offseason. Maybe 533 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: it's not a totally lost twenty twenty six. Don't know, 534 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 3: but I don't think it's a worst case scenario on 535 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: Walter Nolan. And so there are enough pieces in place 536 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 3: where if you can wait for it, win the off season, okay, 537 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: and then and rebuild that offensive line. Course, quarterback is 538 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: still obviously the biggest question out there, but beyond that, 539 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 3: hopefully there's enough that it would be attractive to a 540 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 3: head coach who has interest from other teams. 541 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: And then it will be money to spend. You do 542 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: have the third overall pick, plus you'll be selecting high 543 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: in rounds through seven. Yep, and you brought up quarterback, 544 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: And yes, it was asked. It was asked several different 545 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: times about Kyler Murray. No definitive answer. Didn't think we 546 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: would get one when asked whether Kyler Murray is going 547 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: to be your quarterback next season or still the quarterback 548 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: of the future. All Mani said was quote, all options 549 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: are on the table, and that was answered at least 550 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: how I took it in the context of to improve 551 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: the team. So again that we went into this offseason, 552 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Paul with Okay, there were certain there were certain benchmarks 553 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: we had to clear a couple of hurdles. One who's 554 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: making the decisions? Well, Moni is still here, so he's 555 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: your decision maker. Two, who's the head coach? Okay, now 556 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: that is an opening, so we have to figure that 557 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: out and then his staff. And then as far as roster, 558 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: you have to answer the quarterback question. Is that Kyler, 559 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: you have Dacobe Brissett under contract, Keeton Slovas is under contract. 560 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: There's three Do you add one in free agency, acquire 561 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: someone via trade, draft one, maybe a combination of a 562 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: couple of those different avenues. But yeah, quarterbacks, certainly when 563 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: it comes to the roster, first question that has to 564 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: be answered. 565 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: So this was two weeks ago when Atlanta went in 566 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 3: and hosted the Rams on Monday Night Football and Raheem Morris, 567 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: who was the long time defensive coordinator under Sean McVay 568 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: and obviously work closely with and against Matthew Stafford in practice. 569 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: So they battled a lot. 570 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: And he was asked about Matthew Stafford, not just the 571 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: MVP potential of the NFL and the player, but the 572 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: person and what having that sort of guy at that 573 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: position does for a team. And here was a Raheem 574 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: Morris quota of Matthew Stafford. Every time he took the field, 575 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: he felt like he he had a chance to win, 576 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: and so did we. I watched him breathe confidence into 577 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: the organization, into the coaches, into his players. That is 578 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: the answer to the quarterback question. Who is it? Where 579 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: do you find it? You need that guy? Everyone believes 580 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: he's that guy. Doesn't matter who you play, that guy 581 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 3: gives us a chance to win. Carson Palmer was that guy. 582 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: Kurt Warner was that guy. When Kyler Murray was really rolling, 583 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: he was that guy. And so you got to find 584 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: that again at that position in particular. Not easy. You know, 585 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: find a head coach isn't easy. Guess what's even more 586 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: difficult finding that franchise quarterback. So you're gonna be picking 587 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: number three overall? Is it a two quarterback draft? Because 588 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: the two teams head of you most definitely need quarterback, 589 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 3: and the Raiders and Jets. Guess what, Drake may was 590 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: the third quarterback two years ago. It looks like the 591 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: best one in the lot. So you know what's better 592 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 3: than draft position, draft acumen, draft ability? 593 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Right? 594 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: I mean the ability to identify and find those players 595 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: is even better than where you draft. Last time, the 596 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 3: Raiders drafted number one, who they take JaMarcus Russell. So 597 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: you just have to see if you can find that 598 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 3: guy because he's out there. History says that guy is 599 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: out there. 600 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: And with the third overall pick, I am anxiously awaiting, 601 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: as I'm sure many others are, Paul, because you seemingly 602 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: every offseason around this time, maybe closer to the draft, 603 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: there's always this mantra or slogan or whatever when it 604 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks or draft positioning. I believe let there 605 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: be a third QB. There were a couple of differentens. Man, 606 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: you're very clever, really and how you do this. So 607 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering what you'll have in store for the Bird 608 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: Gang with the third overall pick. And maybe it has 609 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the quarterback. Maybe it's offensive line, 610 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: edge rusher, could be anything, Paul. The Cardinals, I mean, 611 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders are on the clock. They had 612 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: the first overall pick. We are putting you here on 613 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals cover. We are putting you on the clock to 614 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: come up with something for the twenty twenty six NFL draft. 615 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: That is a good early clubhouse leader. Let there be 616 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: three qbs. That might not be bad. You've used that 617 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: before a couple of years ago. Was four qbs. Some 618 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 3: derivation thereof because you had the fourth pick. You wanted 619 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: somebody to trade up and offer you the world, and 620 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: then it didn't quite work out that way. So yeah, 621 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,239 Speaker 3: we'll have to go into the lab a little bit. 622 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, we're eighteen hours removed from the 623 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: end of the season, so give me. You know, the 624 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: boys over and the guys in R and D at 625 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: Calvic Consulting, you know, they're they're still coming off the 626 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: whole two week holiday bender, so they really got it. 627 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: We need some production out of those guys asap. 628 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: You really welcome hard during the holidays. Well, yeah, we know, 629 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: we do. 630 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 3: We give them a couple of weeks off the research 631 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: and development department, but it's back to the grind effective immediately. 632 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: Hey, before we sign off here on this Monday edition 633 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two, it wouldn't be a Monday without 634 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: an Angry Bird Award winner. And I know I'm throwing 635 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: this out there even though there are other news, but 636 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: I do have a couple of suggestions all for you. 637 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't rip, I don't typically select, but I can 638 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: offer a suggestion. One I know you're not gonna take 639 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: because you're just not that type of guy, but I 640 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: would wow, based off the season long performance, I would 641 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: nominate Paul Calvis for what he has had to do 642 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: to endure this season on the sideline avoiding players and 643 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: then in the locker room interviewing players and the head coach, 644 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: and what has been a most difficult and frustrating season. 645 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: So I would like to nominate. And that's, by the way, 646 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: Burg Game. I am being very serious. This is not 647 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. No, just aall Calvisy Angry Bird Award winner, 648 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: not just for Week eighteen, but for the entire twenty 649 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: twenty five season. 650 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 3: Greg, there are two realities in the NFL. No one 651 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: cares about your injuries, and no one cares about the 652 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: sideline pencil neck reporter. Just get in there, ask the questions. 653 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: And get out. 654 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: I do have one more than oh please. The suggestion 655 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: box is always open, unlike some other people around here. Wow, 656 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: a veiled shot at I'm always interested in elevating my game. 657 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: Go ahead, how about this one and maybe we can 658 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 3: come to an agreement. 659 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: The Bird Gang. Oh, it's not bad. The fans themselves. 660 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 3: I do like that. 661 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: Who we have heard from weekly on Cardinal Talk, we 662 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: have heard from on social media, and yes, Bird Gang 663 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell has heard from you as well. He acknowledged 664 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: as such as a frustrated as you are as a fan, 665 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: Michael is even more frustrated as an owner and what 666 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: he has had to watch this season. He made that 667 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 1: very clear during the press conference on Monday. So, unless 668 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: you have another idea, Paul, the Bird Gang was the 669 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: Angry Bird Award winner, not just for twenty or for 670 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, but for this entire season. 671 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 3: No, I absolutely love it. You know, their ability to 672 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: represent on the road. I always see red Z in 673 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 3: the stands beyond the Cardinals visiting bench times in the 674 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 3: front row. I don't know how they got those tickets 675 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 3: or who the ticket broker is, but it's very well done. 676 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 3: So yes, everyone who's represented this year. I like that 677 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: because it has been a very difficult year and it 678 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 3: could be really easy. I could sit up here, I 679 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: could give it to Michael Wilson for everything he's done 680 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 3: and all that. But you know what, he's already won 681 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 3: it this year. 682 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: So Trey McBride's already won it this year. 683 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and so and look, Craig, come on out. 684 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 3: Let's conclude you and the whole equation as someone who's 685 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: on the in the trenches, on the front lines, in 686 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: the postgame, answering the calls right, managing everyone's emotions, serving 687 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: as some sort of mental health counselor therapist. 688 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: Therapist, all the aboves. 689 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 3: So you know what, you're included in that as well, 690 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 3: because the Red Sea goll darn it relies on you, 691 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 3: Craig Grielou postgame. 692 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: I do appreciate that, Paul, and I do appreciate the fans. Actually, 693 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks, Paul, they've actually before 694 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: we hit the air, as I'll always tweet out, hey, 695 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the show, here's 696 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: the number. They are always very kind and I'm being 697 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: serious here there. They they feel the frustration or the 698 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: the difficulty that sometimes our jobs are. So I appreciate that. 699 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: And I also and I mentioned this as we close 700 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: Cardinal Talk, I appreciate the fans' involvement. Whether you agree disagree, 701 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: that's what Cardinal talk, That's what a lot of these 702 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: platforms are is to have that discussion. And think, we've 703 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: had good discussions this season, and there'll be plenty more 704 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: to come, because Paul, this is going to be a 705 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: season of change, an off season of change, if you will, 706 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: the first of which has already happened with the firing 707 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: of head coach Jonathan Cannett. 708 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 3: There will be change, there will be blood. We've already 709 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: seen both, and you're right. Look, you know questions need 710 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: to be asked. They were asked by the two decision makers, 711 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 3: and we got the answer. There's going to be a 712 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 3: new head coach. And so with that in mind, all right, 713 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: what does that look like? What is possible? Plausible, feasible. Well, 714 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, we've seen so many turnarounds in the NFL, 715 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 3: so I'm not putting any restrictions, you know, any sort 716 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: of you know, false ceiling on what is possible. Wait, 717 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 3: do you see who you get in wait, do you 718 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,439 Speaker 3: see how the rest of the offseason unfolds? And once again, 719 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 3: if you can fix a couple of key areas, you 720 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 3: know I do. Go back to Week three and four 721 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 3: and those really competitive games against the Seahawks and forty 722 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 3: nine Ers. Now, did the Seahawks and forty nine Ers 723 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 3: get better over the second half of the season while 724 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 3: things quote regressed as Michael Bidwell said with the Cardinals 725 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 3: in the second half of the season. Yes, so is 726 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 3: there a major gap to close? Absolutely, But the Rams 727 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 3: rebuilt their defense in two years. Seahawks just spent the 728 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 3: last decade with an abysmal offensive line. I didn't even 729 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 3: buy their offensive line this year. Well, I love to 730 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: regret that aqship, but he told me I was wrong, 731 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 3: and I was wrong. Let the record reflect as much. 732 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 3: And the forty nine just keep defying the odds despite 733 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: some really lackluster draft classes last two or three years. 734 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,479 Speaker 3: They figured it out in other ways. So okay, let's see. Look, 735 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: it's it's a tall task in the NFC West. But again, 736 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 3: if you can compete and win in the NFC West 737 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: and make the postseason, you have a real chance of 738 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 3: winning playoff games, multiple playoff games, and I said this 739 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 3: in Cardinals Underground. I stick by it. The Super Bowl 740 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 3: champion is coming out of the NFC West, and you 741 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: know what, I think it's gonna be an all NFC 742 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 3: West NFC championship as well, and I've been saying it 743 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 3: for a month. 744 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a difficult watch. By the way, if 745 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: you're a Cardinals fan, Yes, even worse if it's the 746 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers reaching the super Bowl because it's played 747 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: at Levi Stadium. Yeah, you're right, but it does serve 748 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: as great motivation for Michael Bidwell Monty Austin Ford and 749 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: never won involved because be competitive when your division. There 750 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: is no greater test within the NFC maybe the NFL 751 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: than what you have in your own backyard. 752 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 3: And again, it's it's doable, you know, if you can 753 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 3: hit on some draft picks and really identify free agent acquisitions. 754 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: Look what Seattle has done the last couple off seasons, 755 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 3: and so it's it's this doesn't have to be a 756 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: three to five year process. You have enough key players 757 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 3: in key positions if you can fill in some of 758 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 3: the gaps right now and identify effectively identify A what's 759 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 3: missing and B who's capable of coming in and to 760 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 3: your point, there's money to spend, might be more money 761 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 3: to spend depending on what they do with Kyler Murray, 762 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: who's do thirty seven million guaranteed next year, and if 763 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 3: he's staw on the on the roster by the fifth 764 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 3: day of the league year, it's another nineteen point five 765 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 3: million he is guaranteed. 766 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: So obviously a. 767 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 3: Big decision we're evolving around a big price tag coming 768 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 3: up in March. 769 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: First decision has been made the firing of head coach 770 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon. We will see what awaits this Arizona Cardinals 771 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: organization in the days, weeks, and even months to come. 772 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: And on that notes, we will put a lid on 773 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Covered two, presented by proudly partner 774 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 775 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Mamahandro, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For 776 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: Paul Calvic, I'm preg real Lou. We'll talk to you 777 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two.