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Speaker 1: I guess somebody told Monica McNutt you can pay one

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like I'm not saying it because you

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Speaker 1: The thing is that Oho, that when you do television,

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Speaker 4: Well, so I'm gonna take y'all. Two things happened to me.

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Speaker 6: This spontaneous conversation about women's basketball.

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Speaker 2: Think I think after this year.

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Speaker 5: They will almost I'm not saying they're gonna be able

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Speaker 4: Square up with him? Ochoue, what are you.

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Speaker 6: Gonna do with a squaring up against a crosses from

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Speaker 5: Oh, he's finna get his work, right, So, honey, he's

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Speaker 4: You hear me.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get this work when you stay there.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, All of a sudden, something in the media

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're talking about competition, which is a beautiful thing

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Speaker 1: I'm let me ask your question, Joe. To Monica's point,

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Speaker 4: Back trying to use my technique? No, we're trying to die,

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Speaker 6: With Shannon's example because now you're back to Shannon because

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Speaker 4: Now, O Joe, you're not gonna do that.

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Speaker 6: And tell me what percent of the league you probably

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Speaker 4: Agree with you.

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Speaker 5: Probably probably about ninety eight percent because there's there's a

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I hate math.

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Speaker 6: In fact, my parents said last time, he calls me

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Speaker 6: So I just I just want us to hear out

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Speaker 4: I'm not make an excuse for that.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing is also Monica, who did the look,

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Speaker 1: So I think Monica, to your point, had it not

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Speaker 6: So literally we get to call this morning that we're

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Speaker 4: Think we've ever let a show with because to me,

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Speaker 2: That is saying. And you know how t Maniga, you've

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Speaker 1: You know what what leads man all y'all do is

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Speaker 1: talk about the cowboys. The cowboys. People want to talk

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Speaker 2: People want to compete. This was an isolated incident.

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Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of incidents where people are

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Speaker 2: So let's look at this. This is what it was.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a questions, tell you and

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Speaker 1: I we talked about it like, damn, we're a teammates.

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Speaker 1: Y'all saw the girl get clocked in the back like that,

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Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you know in football you do something to

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Speaker 1: we got this. We got to get your back, Monica.

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Speaker 1: But we gotta make it look like it's a part

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Speaker 4: Right, And I think making it look like a part

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Speaker 6: In college, we played Louisville and we actually got the

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Speaker 4: They did it everywhere. They did it at Georgetown in

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Speaker 6: Somebody tripped up somebody from Louisville and a brawling suit.

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Speaker 4: We made it.

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Speaker 6: We make it the Sports Center in a little done

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Speaker 4: Not a fighter. Do you know what I did in

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Speaker 6: You scrap now, I grabbed the basketball and said, y'all

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Speaker 2: Y'all hang to you.

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Speaker 6: What I'm saying to you is, if your DNA is

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Speaker 6: not I'm a gooing, I'm enforced. I'm finish scrap. That's

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Speaker 4: Shooting a jump shot. I looked down they was scrapping,

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Speaker 6: And this idea that the personality is on the fever

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Speaker 4: It's unfair to who they are.

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Speaker 6: They go pick their teammate off the ground, they grab her,

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Speaker 6: We're not in there practice. I don't think that this

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Speaker 2: Trying to play. But let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: Y'all talking about this person and she's shooting forty percent.

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, do as as women? Do you, guys?

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Speaker 1: Because I know, look, y'all keep talking about this and

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Speaker 6: You were competing at a high level. If somebody was

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Speaker 4: How was your one response?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to me anybody, anybody that had a name,

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna be some nasty more folds for four quarters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, listen, even even though even though the

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Speaker 2: There's an astra behind that. But again, the Lakers, they

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Speaker 5: The Yankee they haven't won the World Series, I'm not

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Speaker 5: I mean that just that, just the makeup of it,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be. And you created, you created a different demographic,

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Speaker 4: So oh tra I love that.

441
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Speaker 6: And this is where I continue to say more than

442
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Speaker 6: one thing can be true. They have absolutely moved the needle.

443
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Speaker 6: And I think Caitlin Clark and Andrews both are going

444
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Speaker 6: to be all stars and superstars in this league. They

445
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 6: are both rookies, right and so I quite frankly the

446
00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 6: idea that she would see less than true compet Again,

447
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 6: obviously we are excluding non basketball and dirty plays. It's

448
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 6: not only disrespectful to the rest of the league, but

449
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 6: it's disrespectful to her. She We talked to her two

450
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 6: years ago in Dallas at the NCAA Championship game, and

451
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Speaker 6: you guys are probably all seen the features at this point.

452
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 6: Grew up playing with the brothers with the ultimate competitor,

453
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Speaker 6: and so as a competitor, you'll look a body square

454
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Speaker 6: up across from you and take it lightly.

455
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Speaker 4: You're trying to go through yourself.

456
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Speaker 6: And so for me, the fact that we've lost that

457
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Speaker 6: at the root of this thing, we are talking about

458
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Speaker 6: competition and women competing at a high level. That is

459
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Speaker 6: the part that bothers me the most. And then there's

460
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Speaker 6: twenty eight years of this league being established and in

461
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Speaker 6: the last five the needle has moved, the charter thing

462
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 6: has been in motion. You got to shout out Mark Davis,

463
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Speaker 6: the Vegas owner, Joe and Clara Ci the liberty owners,

464
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Speaker 6: like people that have really helped to put the pressure

465
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Speaker 6: on these women receiving professional level of treatment. Has calen

466
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Speaker 6: expedieted the process, Yes, but there's also been a groundwork

467
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Speaker 6: that has been laid.

468
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Speaker 4: And so I just encourage all the new faults like you,

469
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Speaker 4: Oh Joe, come on in, Come on in and watch it.

470
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Speaker 2: Come one, come on.

471
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Speaker 4: You, but take some notes. Well you start bumping them gums,

472
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Speaker 4: That's all I asked.

473
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Speaker 1: So let me because when I look at Kaitlyn Clark

474
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Speaker 1: and people look at her and they're like, well, what

475
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: about all that trash talking she was doing in college.

476
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Speaker 2: What about all the stuff that she was shoving people

477
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Speaker 2: down in college?

478
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Speaker 1: They saw that, And so now her talking trash in

479
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Speaker 1: college might intimidate some folks.

480
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Speaker 2: You come to the w these are grown women.

481
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Speaker 1: These women got kids, These women twenty five day, twenty eight,

482
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Speaker 1: they're thirty years of age.

483
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Speaker 2: They don't care.

484
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Speaker 1: Hey like and like I said, Monica, you oh you

485
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Speaker 1: got the name. If I tear you up on the court,

486
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be talking about me.

487
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Speaker 5: You know what, I think, there's a there's a learning

488
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Speaker 5: curve as a rookie. My rookie year, I was talking

489
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Speaker 5: trash in college. My rookie year in the NFL, I

490
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Speaker 5: ain't say nothing't I didn't say nothing. I ain't even

491
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 5: talk to the media until I got acclimated to the game.

492
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 5: I understood the game, and the game started to slow down,

493
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Speaker 5: slow down for me. So when your two came and

494
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Speaker 5: I started talking, once I figured it out it was

495
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Speaker 5: a rap. I'm sure at some point Angelice already talking

496
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 5: since sister she she she letting it fly. As soon

497
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Speaker 5: as Caitlin Clark gets acclimated to the game and it

498
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Speaker 5: starts to slow down for and she and she picks

499
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Speaker 5: it up. I guarantee you she gonna be back to

500
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Speaker 5: her talking her talking ways. I'm sure based on what

501
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Speaker 5: we saw at Iowa, I think.

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Speaker 4: Oh Joe, you spot your spot on right.

503
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Speaker 6: And but I think part of what has made this

504
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Speaker 6: such a hot topic is that when a goat like

505
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Speaker 6: Ryl Stoops, who was a multi time gold medalist, a

506
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Speaker 6: four time w NBA champ, and unteen time w NBA

507
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Speaker 6: all started a woman I have her first, the first

508
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Speaker 6: woman to have a signature shoe for Nike. When she

509
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Speaker 6: said there was a curve, it was she was hated.

510
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Speaker 6: When Diana ta Rossi said yeah, the curve at the

511
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Speaker 6: Women Final.

512
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Speaker 4: Four, she was hating.

513
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Speaker 6: And I think for the new fans, I get it,

514
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 6: y'all rolling with y'all girl, you protected whatever, whatever.

515
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: But that wasn't hey.

516
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 6: That was people that have came here and watched this league.

517
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 6: Those were truths, and that is okay. That's part of

518
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Speaker 6: all of our journeys.

519
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: You're gonna hit a curve at some point, especially for

520
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Speaker 2: a guard.

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Speaker 1: See people look at I say, bro y'all expecting her

522
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Speaker 1: to be Cannas Parker when she comes out as rookie

523
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Speaker 1: of the whin Rookie of.

524
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Speaker 2: The Year and MVP.

525
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Speaker 1: Cannas is six ' four, Caitlyn Clark might be what

526
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Speaker 1: six foot Monka, So you're asking a guard to do

527
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Speaker 1: something that is dominant big in college, Hey, Candas Parker

528
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: was legit. She could rebound, got you double digit rebounds

529
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Speaker 1: where she was a nineteen ten, she was a defensive

530
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year. She was tremendous. And I think

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Speaker 1: everybody you look at Caitlyn, she led the nation in

532
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Speaker 1: scoring at about thirty two points a game, led the

533
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Speaker 1: nation of an assist. So automatically people automatically think, what

534
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: she's gonna come in and do an NBA then women

535
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: dog will not let that happen. You play harder against someone.

536
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: It's just nature because you know they can embarrass you.

537
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: You're nothing embarrassed me. You're nothing to have me on

538
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Speaker 2: Sports Center.

539
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Speaker 1: Especially now, and I know EFP really covering the WNBA.

540
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Speaker 2: Are you.

541
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Speaker 1: I'm nothing to be your highlight package. It ain't gonna happen, Monica,

542
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's not I when.

543
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 4: It's comments, they should come back up and I'm not around.

544
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Speaker 6: I just want you to keep that same energy because

545
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 6: and to me, that is beautiful. That is the point

546
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 6: of competition and it should be celebrated.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Angrew Revees had some comments today. Take a listen

548
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: to the sound what Angel Reaves had to say today.

549
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Speaker 7: It all started from the National Championship game. And I've

550
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 7: been dealing with this for two years now and understanding like, yeah,

551
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 7: negative things have probably been said about me, but honestly,

552
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 7: I'll take that because look where women's basketball is. People

553
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 7: are talking about women's basketball. You never think that we

554
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 7: talking about women's basketball. People are pulling up to games.

555
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Speaker 7: We got celebrities coming to games sold at arena's like

556
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Speaker 7: just because of one single game, and just looking at that, like,

557
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Speaker 7: I'll take that role.

558
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Speaker 4: I'll take the bad guy role.

559
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Speaker 7: And I'll continue to take that on and be that

560
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Speaker 7: for for my teammates and if I want to be that,

561
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Speaker 7: and I know I'll go down to history. I'll look

562
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Speaker 7: back in twenty years and be like, yeah, the reason

563
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 7: why we're watching women's basketball is not just because of

564
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Speaker 7: one person.

565
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: It's because of me too. And I want you to

566
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Speaker 4: realize that a lot of us have done so much

567
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Speaker 4: for this game.

568
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Speaker 7: And Kennedy has been here before obviously, but there are

569
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 7: so many great players in this league that have deserved

570
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 7: this for a really, really long time, and luckily it's

571
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Speaker 7: coming now.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk yo, track what you talk about? Man? You

573
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: watching the game because of me? And she ain't laugh

574
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Speaker 2: because I'm one of them.

575
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Speaker 1: You talk about thoughts on our comments, Monica, I love it.

576
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Speaker 4: I love it.

577
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Speaker 6: But and this is where we talk about, You're not

578
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 6: gonna turn into somebody different overnight.

579
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: Andres has never shot away from the mic.

580
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 6: She's willing to wear that villain label, however unfair.

581
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Speaker 4: It may be, but she gets it in the Macro.

582
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Speaker 6: And what I love about Angel, even when she announced

583
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 6: she was going pro and Vogue, she speaks about the Macro.

584
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: And she does that deliberately.

585
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Speaker 6: That is not just oh, I'm going to just throw

586
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: in the women that have come before me, right, And

587
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 6: I think that is important in what makes and what

588
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 6: is endearing about watching her.

589
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: But she's absolutely right. The girl, I'm sorry, I don't

590
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: know her name, but.

591
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Speaker 6: The girl streamed a Sky's preseason game on her phone, y'all.

592
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 4: And had unteen tens of thousands of viewers that way.

593
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: It was like she wasn't it like an over a million?

594
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: It got, It got over a million but.

595
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, So there is a demand.

596
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 6: She absolutely has been a part of creating that that demand.

597
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: She's a huge part of this rookie class as well.

598
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Well, we can't. We can't let Pat McAfee.

599
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Speaker 1: I guess he watched us this morning, and lord he

600
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: was he had some coffee, he probably had an energy drink.

601
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Speaker 2: Do we have this sound? We can't play side?

602
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Speaker 4: Uh?

603
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Monica?

604
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Speaker 1: Well, I know you. I know you've heard it by now.

605
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Speaker 1: I think Pat got a little bit too amp. He

606
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Speaker 1: forgot like, man, this live this. You know, normally we

607
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: have a conversation like this, Monica, you and I, you

608
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: and your girls off air. But we got a microphone

609
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Speaker 1: and we got a camera with a red dot going.

610
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: So what what what did you think when you heard

611
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: p Matt start going?

612
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Speaker 6: So I didn't actually watch it, but I read the

613
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 6: transcript and all articles that came down. Honestly, y'all, my

614
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 6: first thought was, Okay, here we go with this not

615
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 6: being about race from a person who is right, and again,

616
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 6: this is where I say, and I'm speaking honestly, clearly, concisely,

617
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 6: this is where I say, multiple things can be true.

618
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 7: Right.

619
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Speaker 6: I wonder what this would look like if Kaylyn Clark was.

620
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Speaker 4: Back, she's proud of who she is. That's fantastic, right.

621
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Speaker 6: But this is where all the layers of this conversation

622
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 6: come in, right, the two The NBA is a predominantly

623
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: black women's league. It's also largely a queerly right and

624
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Speaker 6: the gender sexuality race.

625
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Speaker 4: It's hard to parse.

626
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Speaker 6: This out of that conversation, at least for me as

627
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: a woman, because I can't walk away from any part

628
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 6: of who I am.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, and.

630
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Speaker 4: So his point about the other white chicken in the

631
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Speaker 4: league that I have been bucket.

632
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Speaker 6: Sure, Stuart's the MVP, he is one championships with the

633
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 6: Las Vegas DT. Obviously we had a conversation about her

634
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 6: as a go, right, But to act as if there

635
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 6: is no space to sit back and just wonder again,

636
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 6: all I'm asking for folks that have just joined is

637
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 6: to open your mind. Ultimately, you may disagree, and that's fine,

638
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 6: but you should be able to be able to hold

639
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 6: space to evaluate all the pieces that seem to be

640
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: at play. Now, if you decide to pick up three

641
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 6: instead of six, that's on you. But you got to

642
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 6: be able to sit back and acknowledge all the pieces

643
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 6: at play. Just out of out of respect for humanity

644
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Speaker 6: at large.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Monica, you said something very interesting and

646
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you would know better than I, but I was. I

647
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: was thinking this, but I never said it. But since

648
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: you brought it up, let's go here. How much do

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00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: you think the predominant black queer helps or hurt the

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Speaker 1: w NBA.

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00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: That's a loaded question, Shannon.

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Speaker 6: I think the w in the last few years has

653
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 6: done a great job of leaning into who they are.

654
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 6: They are not hiding who the who these women are

655
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 6: and are hiding who they are. One thing about this

656
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 6: rookie class has been their willingness to share their lives.

657
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 6: But I had a chance to catch a great documentary

658
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Speaker 6: this summer courtesy of w n B A p A.

659
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Speaker 6: And I'm blanking on the name of the documentary and

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Speaker 6: I apologize, but it highlighted John Cuel Jones, Brianna Stewart,

661
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Speaker 6: and Unka A Guomak right and as veterans in this league.

662
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Speaker 6: JJ has been an MVP, Nkamke has won a title

663
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Speaker 6: and been an MVP studio. It has been a multi

664
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Speaker 6: time MVP and one championships. As veterans, they talked very

665
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 6: honestly about opening up their lives right, because that was

666
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 6: a big choice for them. And one of the commentators,

667
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 6: Lindsay Gibbs and that at Peace talked about being able

668
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Speaker 6: to enjoy this league and celebrate these women even more

669
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 6: when you get to know them, right, And I think

670
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 6: that star power of this rookie class growing up with

671
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 6: social media, uh, Kaitlin has two million, Angel has three million. Right,

672
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 6: They've already been used to sharing their lives right, And

673
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 6: so I think the w has leaned on who they are.

674
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 6: But as new audiences are getting to know these women,

675
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Speaker 6: hopefully they find a way to strike a chord with

676
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 6: them beyond just being basketball players. And so candidly, I'm

677
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 6: not one hundred percent sure what happens in marketing meetings

678
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 6: when you begin to look at who you want to

679
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 6: partner up with with the WM BAY because, like we

680
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 6: started this conversation, gender, racist, sexuality are parts of conversations

681
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Speaker 6: that you just cannot.

682
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Speaker 2: Escape, can't.

683
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Speaker 1: The documentary you're talking about is called Shattered Glass NBAA story.

684
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Speaker 4: Thank you.

685
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you have this conversation because at the end

686
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Speaker 1: of the day, you're like people like, well, go market,

687
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: go market, but at certain times, you know certain certain

688
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: demographics you're trying to market too, because like when we

689
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: go out, okay, we have to pitch, Okay, who are

690
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: you trying to who are you trying to reach?

691
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: Mhm, we Club, Shay Shape, Nightcap.

692
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: We might not be able to reach who an advertiser

693
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: or a sponsor try to reach. So it doesn't make

694
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: sense for them to give us money if the people

695
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: that they're trying to reach are not watching Nightcap, not

696
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: watching Club. And so what you're saying, Monica, is like, Okay,

697
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: we got to appeal to the people that you're trying

698
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: to reach. But to say that game and queer people

699
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: don't buy health and don't buy auto insurance, it's just not.

700
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: True to say it.

701
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: To say they don't go grocery shopping or buy cars,

702
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: it's just not true.

703
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: So they're people they might have.

704
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: Chosen an alternative life and just outside of the norm,

705
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: whatever norm is.

706
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: There's a new definition of norm now.

707
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: But I believe that you can reach people because everybody

708
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: that watches television.

709
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: They're consumer.

710
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: You buy something, whether it's food, whether it's auto insurance,

711
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: with this, whatever the clothing, whatever the case may be,

712
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: you'll purchase something.

713
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: And when it comes to marketing and branding and w

714
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 5: NBA and those that are queer are part of that

715
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 5: community in general. That community to always sticks to, always

716
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 5: sticks together and support each other. So the marketing on

717
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 5: that end should be easy anyway. It's common sense, especially

718
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 5: when to come to the higher ups and execs that

719
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: are sitting in positions of power. That's a no brainer

720
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Speaker 5: as far as going to come to marketing and branding

721
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: and doing it that way. Now, if they if they

722
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Speaker 5: want some ideas, you know, from the true number one

723
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Speaker 5: marketing and brander.

724
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Speaker 2: Himself, I can.

725
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 5: I can guide them in which way to go and

726
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: on how to do it.

727
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 6: That's what I did to get some boardroom tables out.

728
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Speaker 6: Joe Manica.

729
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because you know a lot

730
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Speaker 1: of times black we used to have like who is

731
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Speaker 1: in that room?

732
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Speaker 2: Why are you talking?

733
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: You're trying to monitor, you know, market the blacks, and

734
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Speaker 1: there's no blacks in the commercial.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't hell if.

736
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Speaker 1: There were queer gay in the rooms that could say, hey, guys,

737
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Speaker 1: they have perch power.

738
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

739
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Speaker 1: I'm in California, man, they shut down. We hope gay

740
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Pride is a big thing day. So somebody drinking beers,

741
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Speaker 1: buy cocktail and buy clothes. Mark, I'm just saying somebody

742
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: doing that.

743
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and listen, the marketing has improved, right, But if

744
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: we wanted to get into the weeds and gosh oh man,

745
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 6: I should have pulled up on our research because there

746
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: was a wonderful article done I want to say, about

747
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 6: two seasons ago that looked at what demographic still in

748
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 6: terms of representing the WNBA still got the lion's.

749
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Speaker 4: Share of marketing opportunities and it was largely straight white women.

750
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 6: Now in two years, I do believe that there have

751
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 6: been improvements made in that area, right, And like I said,

752
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 6: the WBA has leaned into who they are. These women

753
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 6: are leaning int who they are. There's a number of

754
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 6: queer athes out of w that I can think of

755
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 6: that have had commercials and are currently in commercials that

756
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 6: are still airing, and it's.

757
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Speaker 4: Beautiful to see. And so I do think that things

758
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: are changing.

759
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 6: But just like in society, y'all, as painful as it is,

760
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 6: right when we start having conversations about this societal totem pole,

761
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 6: people especially women that sit at identities shout out to

762
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 6: doctor Alfie, my girl that have intersectional identities often don't

763
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: have privilege, and so they're minimalized a little bit or

764
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 6: not a little bit, they become minimalized.

765
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Speaker 4: And so that again, that's a whole nother loaded conversation.

766
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Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to tell anybody that they can't

767
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 6: be a fan of this player or that player.

768
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 4: But as you join this WNBA fanfare, welcome. It's room

769
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: for everybody.

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00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 6: There have been twenty eight years of groundworking and there

771
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 6: have been numbers of opportunities of research, right, and then

772
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: when you look at the demographics of this league, like

773
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 6: just keep your mind open to what is the reality

774
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 6: of someone else's experience that may not look like That's

775
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 6: the part that's frustrated to me in this conversation y'all.

776
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: Like one to hear ex athletes say, oh.

777
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: Just let her do whatever, and two folks that aren't

778
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 6: taking the time to just do a little bit of

779
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Speaker 6: digging about what the w NBA. Then how powerful these

780
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 6: women have used their voices what they stand for, because.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful it is, and thank you for opening up

782
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: and sharing that with us.

783
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you being around the game, you

784
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: playing the game, you being a woman yourself, you're better

785
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: to speak to this in Oho than I because you're

786
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: in that situation. There's no better person to speak to

787
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: about a woman than a woman, And so sometimes you know,

788
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: as men, we try to sit back and try to

789
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to have a baby,

790
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: never had one, Dade, I don't want them kind of problem.

791
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: So I like women when women talk about women issues.

792
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can have an opinion, but I'm just speaking

793
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: at it from a man's point of view. And sometimes

794
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: we only see things through the prism in which we are.

795
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm looking from a mountaintop, I don't

796
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: know what it's like in the valley because I'm on

797
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: top of the mountain looking out. You being a woman

798
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: playing basketball, playing in the WNBA. Who better to speak

799
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: to issues like this than a person like yourself? But

800
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: how often do how often when things like this do

801
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: the DOUBLE, the NBA, the PA, do they have you

802
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: speak to the women that's coming into How many times

803
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: do you go out and speak the women's group? Being

804
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: who you are, being the platform that you do have,

805
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: are you giving those opportunities to speak speak up for women?

806
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 6: So I was gonna let you rock with this, but

807
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 6: I gotta I gotta check you. One thing on my resume.

808
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 6: I decided that I was done after college and wasn't

809
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 6: a dab onw I did not playing the w Okay. Also,

810
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to give with the chad Ocho Seco

811
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 6: Agency to get me some more speaking engagements.

812
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 5: Whatever you need, listen, listen. I have a marketing firm,

813
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: a brand in firm. So anything you need, just just

814
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 5: holler at me.

815
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: I can. I can get the ball rolling. I got ya.

816
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: All jokes aside.

817
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 6: I have had the opportunity to speak not just to

818
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: women's teams, but like last year, I had a chance

819
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 6: to talk to rap with the.

820
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: Los Angeles Rams, right and just offering a different perspective.

821
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 6: As a member of the media, I do know that

822
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 6: our friends and colleagues of China Robertson and that Gonke

823
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 6: led a great media preparations for the rookies coming in

824
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 6: this season. And so the w and the PA are

825
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 6: about giving their players resources, as are the NBA, right,

826
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 6: and so the.

827
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 4: League is just continuing to grow.

828
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 6: And when you talk about this male counterpart, it has

829
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Speaker 6: a fifty year head.

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Speaker 2: Start, right, Martica.

831
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Speaker 1: I think the thing is a lot of times and

832
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: people it's like, well, I think the thing what really

833
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: got it trending at the end is that, well, Steve,

834
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: you said stephen A, you had this platform and you're

835
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: doing it now, but you probably should have done this

836
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: a lot sooner.

837
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Speaker 8: Me.

838
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Speaker 1: I'm address that, but I have club shashape and people like, well,

839
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Speaker 1: why did you have more women. I've reached out to

840
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: women that play or played in the WNBA, and I

841
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: get no returns. I've had one lady, she's not a

842
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: professional basketball player. Two days before she's like, I'm gonna

843
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: have to reschedule, and now my team can't get a

844
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: hold of her. So I tried to give women because

845
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: I pay, I got a nice size platform. So I

846
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: want to give you an opportunity to share tell whatever

847
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: story that you want to tell. You want to talk

848
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: about your upbringing, you want to talk about your life

849
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: as a professional athlete, you as an entertainer, or the

850
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: left have at it. But it's not as easy as

851
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: you think, Monica, because a lot of time women say no,

852
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.

853
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: Stop you right now. I believe you.

854
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 6: But I'm gonna also say this because I had to

855
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 6: think twice before.

856
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 4: I said yes. Because I have seen some night cap clips.

857
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: Okay, you have to ask yourself is this a space?

858
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: Right?

859
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 6: And so I shouldn't I believe when you say you

860
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 6: want to have that conversation, right, But I think because

861
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 6: of the opportunities to brand for women are a little

862
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 6: bit hold on, let me get my words right. The

863
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 6: opportunities for women to build their brands are so heavily scrutinized,

864
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 6: right that you probably think more dutifully before you say

865
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 6: yes to an opportunity, depending on how it fits and

866
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Speaker 6: make you feel that the.

867
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Speaker 4: Space is safe. So I don't know why people are

868
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: saying yes or no to you, But.

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00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 6: Honestly, like, if we ain't had this thing this morning,

870
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 6: like I would not have thought of myself as a

871
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 6: nightcap gues just based on the clips that I've seen

872
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 6: and I've met with one person.

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Speaker 4: If I met you one person, I think y'all are

874
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 4: great guys. But like, I'm not going to tell y'all

875
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: what else goes down in my bedroom.

876
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 6: Like, and so you do just wonder if spaces are safe,

877
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 6: and so as you continue to grow your platform, I

878
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: would encourage you maybe to offer the topics in events.

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00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 4: And you may have done this already, right.

880
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: I always ask any guests, is there anything that you're

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with? I ask a question you can You can

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Speaker 1: also say with Shanna, you know that question that you

883
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Speaker 1: asked Maryland I talked about can you not air that boom?

884
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Speaker 2: We take it out? Yeah, heyb I.

885
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Speaker 1: Want you to be most of the time when people come,

886
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: they're speaking their truth. Now, if I ask you a

887
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: question and you tell me what went down in your bedroom,

888
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: how's that?

889
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: How am I being messy? You could have say shaddy?

890
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Now you know.

891
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: Now I am stappy. But I don't know. Yes, I

892
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Speaker 4: might feel a little pressure to keep up with the

893
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Speaker 4: Joneses on like some people. Now you I know y'all

894
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Speaker 4: get a little following here.

895
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Speaker 2: Yo. Yeah, we but see that's the thing.

896
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Speaker 1: They come for the sports, they stay for the story,

897
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Speaker 1: so you know, you know, it's it's kind of like

898
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Speaker 1: Monica a game. Let's just stay for the sake of argument.

899
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Speaker 1: I let you to an arena for free, but I

900
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Speaker 1: charge you to get out.

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00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: You see, now listen all jokes aside.

902
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Speaker 4: I do want to address the end of that clip.

903
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Speaker 6: I genuinely was surprised by the reaction, and I did

904
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Speaker 6: not intend to make it personal.

905
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Speaker 4: But when I look at steven A in my relationship

906
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Speaker 4: with steven A.

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Speaker 6: Hee, then not your ESPN as far as I'm concerned, Yes,

908
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Speaker 6: and I hear in this woman's basketball space for so

909
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Speaker 6: long and have been privy to many a conversation pushing

910
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Speaker 6: and pitching and asking for space. So as from where

911
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Speaker 6: I sit, if esay says let's talk about it, it's

912
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Speaker 6: gonna be discussed right right. He and I had a

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Speaker 6: conversation tonight. Okay, cool. There are things that play that

914
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Speaker 6: maybe I did not consider when I made that statement,

915
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Speaker 6: But what I do stand by is that the way

916
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Speaker 6: that the WNBA is being covered in the last this

917
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Speaker 6: season just started in May, this particular season is at

918
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Speaker 6: a different fervor and tenor than it was three years ago. Now,

919
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Speaker 6: whatever whatever factors go into that, be that as in May.

920
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 6: But three years ago we were not having these conversations

921
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Speaker 6: about the WNBA as we are now.

922
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Speaker 4: And that is just a fact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we weren't having this conversation three months ago.

924
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: But you said, Monica, it's never too late to do

925
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Speaker 1: the right thing.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think that some people be like, oh,

927
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Speaker 6: nobody was talking about like you.

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Speaker 4: I heard you at the end of that show you

929
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Speaker 4: lucky Moley had to go to break. You're talking about Monica.

930
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Speaker 6: You've proven his point because nobody was talking about Okayla

931
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Speaker 6: Clark after three years ago.

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Speaker 4: Your southern sass back there.

933
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Speaker 6: Now, this is where this is where we have to

934
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Speaker 6: really are you and tussle.

935
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Speaker 4: With this idea of cart before the horse or horse

936
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Speaker 4: before the cart, right?

937
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Speaker 6: And I know we don't seev work Shanning just like

938
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Speaker 6: you said, Ojo go talk about the Cowboys, can talk

939
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: about the Lakers like there are these things that hit.

940
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Speaker 6: And so I understand the idea that the WNBA may

941
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Speaker 6: not have been drawing the same numbers that it is

942
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Speaker 6: now three years ago.

943
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Speaker 4: But again, two things can be true.

944
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Speaker 6: That doesn't necessarily mean that those women prior to the

945
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Speaker 6: arrival of this rookie class, we're still not worthy of coverage.

946
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Speaker 2: Right, Let's transition w the NBA Finals.

947
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Speaker 1: You got the Dallas Mavericks, Luca Kyrie, Boston Celtics, JT JB.

948
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Speaker 1: Who you like and what matchup are you looking most

949
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Speaker 1: forward to?

950
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Speaker 4: I don't know who I like yet, y'all.

951
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 6: I think we will get seven, seven and five really

952
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Speaker 6: great games. Might be a couple duds in there, but

953
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Speaker 6: I think we are really in for it in this series.

954
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Speaker 6: I think one of the matchups that intrigues me most

955
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Speaker 6: is obviously what is Christops.

956
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Speaker 4: Person is going to look like?

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Speaker 6: And I think of Derek Lively probably before I think

958
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Speaker 6: of Daniel Gafford, but either one of them. In terms

959
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Speaker 6: of christophs Frezeingi's ability to pull them away from the

960
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Speaker 6: paint as their rum protectors, right and then okay, so

961
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Speaker 6: after that, then I immediately go to clutch and Luke

962
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Speaker 6: and Kyrie, Oh, when it's clutched time right now? We

963
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Speaker 6: obviously had the Jaylen Brown three in the Indiana series

964
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Speaker 6: that was big time.

965
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: I can't I'm pretty sure we.

966
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Speaker 1: Have THEO They were down with like eight with like

967
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Speaker 1: two minutes ago, two and a half minutes to go, right, And.

968
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Speaker 6: So I cannot say, and I should have pulled up

969
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Speaker 6: the clutch numbers before we got on here, But I

970
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Speaker 6: cannot say that I don't trust Boston in the clutch.

971
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Speaker 6: But recent history tells me that Luke and Kyrie are

972
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Speaker 6: about the clutch.

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Speaker 2: Right.

974
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna stay Boston for now because That's where I've

975
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Speaker 6: been all season long. H And I do think that

976
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Speaker 6: they have a unique ability to defend and make life

977
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Speaker 6: a little bit more difficult for those guys.

978
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Speaker 4: But I could he's so wrong, and I just think

979
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Speaker 4: we are in for a really great series.

980
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: You know.

981
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a narrative where people out there

982
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: trying to put the media, you and I both in

983
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Speaker 1: the media.

984
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't think we've done it.

985
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: But maybe I'm wrong that we try to put JT

986
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: and JB, try to pit them against each other.

987
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 6: I think when something doesn't work, the media's job is

988
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Speaker 6: to pick it apart, okay, And I think we all

989
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Speaker 6: would agree. No, it feels like they're a little bit

990
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Speaker 6: late to the party in terms of winning a championship, right,

991
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 6: Like they were the better team in twenty twenty two

992
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 6: as Steph when Stephan we got his Finals MVP right, right?

993
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 6: And so I think when something when expectations are.

994
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Speaker 4: Unmeat, the human nature is what will happen?

995
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: Why? Right?

996
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: And those two being your stars are the easiest target.

997
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: Right, Because I think that, and I've said this, I

998
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Speaker 1: believe that I could be wrong. You correct me, because

999
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you watch basketball, if not as much as I do,

1000
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: if not more. I believe JT is the better player.

1001
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I believe Jale Brown has been the better player in

1002
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: the playoffs when you look at the entirety of the playoffs.

1003
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Speaker 1: If you look and I know jt average more in

1004
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: the finals in the West, in East Eastern Conference Finals,

1005
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: but I thought Jaylen Brown played better the big the

1006
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: big shot. Notwithstanding you look at the efficiency in which

1007
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: he played with I said, that's what I thought he

1008
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: was deserving of the lad Bird of lad Bird Trophy,

1009
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: which goes to the MVP of the Eastern Conference Final.

1010
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: What do you think.

1011
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: I think that's fair. I do think.

1012
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 6: And again, like I'm not naive, I know sports conversations

1013
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 6: don't have nuance, which is again why we started this podcast.

1014
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: Thank you for giving me the space.

1015
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 6: To have nuanced because if ever there was a conversation

1016
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 6: to have a little bit of nuance, it's this WNBA conversation.

1017
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 6: But when it comes to the Celtics, I think we

1018
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 6: got to stop.

1019
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 4: Moving the gold posts.

1020
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Speaker 7: Right.

1021
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 6: Okay, Jaylen Brown earned Finals Conference Finals MVP. He did that, right, Boston,

1022
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 6: Brad Stevens and company. They put together a team, right.

1023
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 6: The reason in my mind why Jason Tatum was less

1024
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 6: discussed in MVP and all of that stuff is because

1025
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 6: it was a team.

1026
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 4: League.

1027
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 6: Brian Winners has talked about how much of the loan

1028
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 6: one has to bear, and because Boston has a team,

1029
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 6: it looks like Jason Tatum has had to bear a

1030
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Speaker 6: little bit less.

1031
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: So for me, I do think the.

1032
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: Subjects have to get it done.

1033
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 6: I think Jason Tatum is still young in his career.

1034
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 6: He's an excellent ball player. I do not think he

1035
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 6: has to win finals MVP. I think that is the

1036
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 6: goalpost that continues to move because I'm not going to

1037
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 6: penalize him.

1038
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: If the guys around him.

1039
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 6: That were brought to the organization so they could finally

1040
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 6: win a title, hope to get it done.

1041
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: But you know that happens. You know that, and you

1042
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: know that happened. We saw, We saw with Steph, we

1043
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: saw with Kobe. You know, you know, you know that happens, Monica.

1044
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 1: When the supposed the best player and he doesn't win

1045
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: that finals MVP, they're like.

1046
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: The only guy.

1047
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: And this was before your time that I don't remember

1048
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: getting criticized for being the best player and not winning

1049
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: finals MVP was Larry Bird.

1050
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: That's way before my time.

1051
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: Tell me Coran, Brad Maxwell wonted And when they beat

1052
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: the when they beat the Rocket and he had eight

1053
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: points the last two games. If I'm not mistaken, Coran

1054
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Brad Maxwell was Finals MVP, but he was the Rookie

1055
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: of the Year and he wont to have like thirty

1056
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: three votes. The Magic got three. But you know, I believe,

1057
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I believe they need to win.

1058
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: If they don't win and he plays like he did

1059
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: against Golden State, Monica, you know it's gonna be a

1060
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: blood blad.

1061
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: You know that where it's gonna be a blood bath anyway,

1062
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: because I already told you mas and seven.

1063
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: Who oh shuck, I already already told I already.

1064
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 5: I already told you another Listen, there's no way to

1065
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 5: stop Luca and Kyrie, and it just it is.

1066
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 2: It is what it is. They had the clutch, Geen.

1067
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 5: If the Celtics have too many off nights shooting three

1068
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 5: and they're not efficient from the field, it's gonna be

1069
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 5: a long series.

1070
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 4: I really want to believe that they're not gonna trip

1071
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: over the three point line in that way, like there's

1072
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: enough basketball prowess that they would not be lowed to

1073
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 4: their own minds by shooting.

1074
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: But that's that's who they are, Modica. Then you know

1075
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: that's who they are. They take the most, they make

1076
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: the most.

1077
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: Oh, I just really want to believe though, y'all.

1078
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: Look, I love what I can do for a living,

1079
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 6: but this kind of stuff is actually very orgonizing, right,

1080
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 6: because you got one fan base that's gonna hate you,

1081
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 6: one fan base that is gonna love you.

1082
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: But like, I can see it go either way, y'all.

1083
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: I think I let me ask you a question, who

1084
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: do you think they start out on Luca? Because I

1085
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: don't think I think Holiday might be a Holiday and

1086
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 1: Derek White might be too small. You think they start

1087
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: go Jaylen Brown knowing that he's gonna have to give

1088
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: up something offensive because Luca is a Marston on the

1089
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: offensive end, So to try to neutralize some of what

1090
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: he does, you might have to give up some of

1091
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: the offensive load. And that's why jt uh Or and

1092
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: and Holiday and Derek White might need to be really

1093
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: big because there because if JB starts out on Luca,

1094
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: he gonna have his hands full.

1095
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 6: Well, here's the thing, right, Luca kept getting loose versus

1096
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: the wolves when them screens came and the switches came,

1097
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 6: so it didn't really matter who started. Primarily, I think

1098
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 6: Drew Holliday is such a versatile defender that I don't

1099
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Speaker 6: know if they started him on Luca. He was my

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Speaker 6: first thought because I think Drew size is underrated, his

1101
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 6: strength is underrated as a defender the whole bit, because again,

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Speaker 6: this thing is gonna be about making it.

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00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: As difficult as possible.

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Speaker 6: And so if you are playing ahead and thinking that

1105
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 6: the screen action is gonna if the screening action is

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00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 6: going to come, especially if they end up doing the

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Speaker 6: Luca kyrieguard to guard thing like, it don't really matter,

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean. My first thought is still

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Speaker 6: gonna be Drew. But I think at points we will.

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Speaker 4: See Drew, Derek, Jason, and Jalen.

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00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 6: I think they will all get a piece at some

1112
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Speaker 6: points and that and to me, that might be the

1113
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 6: X factor of what the Celtics have in terms of

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Speaker 6: four guys that can make it difficult stop but can

1115
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Speaker 6: make it difficult.

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Speaker 1: Luca is a guy that he also he'll go away

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Speaker 1: from the screen. The Mavericks do a very good thing.

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00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: They like to set the screen because they know if

1119
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: you put the screen in either corner, they can trap it,

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00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: they can blitz it. They do a great job of

1121
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: setting the screens in the middle of the floor, which

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00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: makes it a lot more difficult for you to blitz

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00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: it or to trap that the trap that that that Uh,

1124
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: when Luca or Kyrie have the ball, So what do

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00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: you think, what do you think is gonna happen when

1126
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: they try to run the slip because now Lively or

1127
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: Derrick Gaffert, they slide out.

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00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: He passed them the ball and boom.

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00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 6: This is where Porzenkis becomes a big deal because his

1130
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 6: length can at least disrupt long enough to you know,

1131
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 6: they sometimes they say hold it for a second, right,

1132
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 6: Like his link can disrupt long enough that either of

1133
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 6: those guys got to look to survey before they make

1134
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 6: a pass, and they certainly got to pay a stention

1135
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 6: if they make a play on the rim.

1136
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right in terms of the corners.

1137
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: They forgot rid the corner and.

1138
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 4: Luke on one's side, like.

1139
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 6: The space is just too much room. So I'm excited, though,

1140
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 6: I just think what game game one probably would look

1141
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 6: different from game two, and then you know, it's all

1142
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 6: the adjustments, Like Jason Kidd's been phenomenal, Joonazula has been

1143
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 6: great for this group. Like I cannot wait to see

1144
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 6: all the adjustments and the wrinkles, because even though we

1145
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 6: think we know.

1146
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: Aboulcohol, we have some stuff up.

1147
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: They sleep now, they do, they do, But eventually, you

1148
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: know one thing, Monica, You're gonna beat me with what

1149
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: I do best. I'm not out hey. I'm gonna give

1150
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: you a wrinkle here and a wrinkle there. But I've

1151
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: got to get back to what got me here. This

1152
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: was the lady that brought me to the party. I

1153
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: know there's some other pretty ladies out there, but I

1154
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: got I gotta, I gotta dance with what got me here.

1155
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: Mark, This is why women don't want to be coming

1156
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 4: on a nightcap.

1157
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: You come, Mordica. We got a few more questions then

1158
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: we'll get you out of here. Kyrie reflected on this

1159
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: self tenure earlier today. Let's take a listen to what

1160
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Kyrie had to say.

1161
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 8: You know, last time in Boston, I don't think that

1162
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 8: was the best uh you know, not this regular season,

1163
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 8: but when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw

1164
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 8: me flip off the birds and kind of lose my

1165
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 8: shit a little bit, that wasn't a great reflection of

1166
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 8: who I am. How I like to compete on a

1167
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 8: high level. You know, it wasn't a great reflection on

1168
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 8: my endswas the next generation on what it means to

1169
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 8: control your emotions in that type of environment, no matter

1170
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 8: what people are yelling at you. You know, I'm built

1171
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 8: for these moments to be able to handle circumstances like that,

1172
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 8: and I've been able to grow since then.

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00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: So of course it's going to be a hectic environment.

1174
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 8: But I'm looking forward to it and I see it

1175
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 8: as a healthy relationship to have with the fans. You know,

1176
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 8: I almost think about Gladiator, just win the crowd over.

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 8: You know, it's good to hear the TD Garden silent

1178
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 8: when you're playing well. They still respect great basketball. So

1179
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 8: regardless of you know, the attention that's being paid to

1180
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 8: what it's going to be like, on my end, I

1181
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 8: have a group to lead.

1182
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: You like Catrie's growth maturity.

1183
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 4: Listen, shout out to the insecure and I can't think

1184
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 4: of the actors's name. I played Kelly. But that's the growth. Okay,

1185
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 4: we got the growth. I love it.

1186
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 6: And look y'all, I mean, oh, so you had some

1187
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 6: moments with the media, right, like, you know what it is?

1188
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: Right?

1189
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 6: I think again, and this is one thing that I try,

1190
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 6: I hope is attached to me in the face. I

1191
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 6: kind of come with the thing not forgetting the humanity

1192
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 6: of these elite athletes. Just because y'all can do and

1193
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 6: have done things that most of us can only hope

1194
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: and dream about. It doesn't mean that you are also

1195
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 6: not human people with emotions and feelings and pass entry

1196
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 6: to grow in right, And so for me, that is

1197
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 6: a fantastic demonstration of growth. But more than that press conference,

1198
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 6: what we saw in the last series, what we've seen

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Speaker 6: the Maps be able to do to get to the finals.

1200
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 6: It's not just talk with Kyrie. There's real growth there.

1201
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 4: Now.

1202
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 6: I will say, somebody sent me a hilarious screenshot that

1203
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 6: was like not the media talking about Kyrie like he

1204
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 6: wasn't asshole for the last five years. Okay, there's a

1205
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 6: psychotomy there, but we can't lean in.

1206
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: We're gonna lean into this growth.

1207
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 6: And so I think as much as he's grown as

1208
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 6: an athlete, he's also grown as a man.

1209
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, marriage Natasha Natasha Rothwell is the act you

1210
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: talked about growth.

1211
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: She is hysterical.

1212
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 6: She should get a spin off, please, Eastern Ray, Can

1213
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 6: we just get a Kelly spinoff.

1214
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1215
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: Which duo you, Tay, would you rather have in this theory? Luca, Kyrie,

1216
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: j t j B mm hmm.

1217
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1218
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 6: Someone who's basketball ethos tends to lean towards the team

1219
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 6: that can defend better. The duo in this conversation that

1220
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 6: has a little bit more two way.

1221
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 4: Is a Celtics duo.

1222
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: Mmm, all right, we're gonna see.

1223
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 5: We're gonna see how how good that defensive pridess turns

1224
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 5: out when the mass.

1225
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: Sweet, you ain't lying, no, Joe, We're gonna find out, and.

1226
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you out, get you out here on

1227
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: this with Monica. Whose legacy do you think will be

1228
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: more impacted with an out by this outcome?

1229
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 6: The Jordan brand because Jason Tatum is a Jordan athlete.

1230
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: Hey, this is gonna be big for Kyrie's own brand, Anthea,

1231
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: it is. Can you imagine Kyrie wins his second his

1232
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: second title, especially as you said, what he's gone through

1233
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: since he last played with Lebron twenty seventeen, so eighteen

1234
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: nineteen two, and you know, half of twenty three he

1235
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: was there and and and to see what he's become.

1236
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: As you, as we talked about the maturity the growth,

1237
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: the maturation, marriage, kids. He's he's at peace. Yeah, that's

1238
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: the thing. And sometimes we fight. We fight demons that

1239
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: are not even there.

1240
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 4: Man, I'm a Maryland girl. I don't know if y'all

1241
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 4: said this down in the South, but my mom and

1242
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 4: I'm an honest to them. Just keep on living. Just

1243
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 4: keep on living. And you like, if you keep on living,

1244
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 4: you are going to be forced to grow.

1245
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So you know what, Monica, thank you so

1246
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: much for joining us tonight.

1247
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: I wanted to have this conversation.

1248
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: I wanted you to give give you an opportunity on

1249
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: the space to have a nuanced conversation where we're not

1250
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: up against the clock, that we don't have to get

1251
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: to a commercial, we don't have to get to the

1252
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: top of the hour, we don't have to do anything.

1253
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: We just had a fifty five minute, fifty six minute

1254
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: conversation and I hope I'll viewing and listening audience enjoyed it.

1255
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. You'll welcome back anytime. You

1256
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: know you well, you know what I'm trying to do.

1257
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to do. So now we're

1258
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: gonna keep that post.

1259
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a.

1260
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 6: Little text alkay, listen, I shan that uncle. I'm going

1261
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 6: back and forth today.

1262
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: I really appreciate this.

1263
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 6: I think the internet went a blaze, and truly that

1264
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 6: was not my intention, and I walked away from our

1265
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 6: conversation not thinking that I had said anything earth shattering.

1266
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 6: It was just if you take a step back and

1267
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 6: look at the big picture, you know what I mean?

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: Yes, Steven as our boy, We're good.

1269
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: Oh that's my day.

1270
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 4: And she's the more baketball coverage, like, let's get it.

1271
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: He definitely get He definitely getting to watch for me

1272
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: for for for Christmas with my.

1273
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: Watch it watch. I'm not on the contract yet. I

1274
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 4: need to watch.

1275
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: Oh what I got that new I got that new

1276
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: updated Apple Watch. You want it?

1277
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: I mean for the free. I don't turn down qualities.

1278
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: That's still.

1279
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: Monica. Thank you so much. I really really really appreciate that.

1280
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. We know it's probably past

1281
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: your bed. It's eleven o'clock on the East Coast time.

1282
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: You're probably normally in the bed. So I'm not gonna

1283
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: keep you, oh your nine nine caps, I'm not gonna

1284
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: keep you any further from your fiance. Get to him

1285
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: and turn this camera off, Thank you Monica, Thank you guys.