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Speaker 1: I met with a seal yesterday, actually former seal, and

430
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: Eric Davis was his instructor at sniper School. I was like,

431
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. Yeah, we had a good time, but it

432
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: was definitely more of an art back then, especially the

433
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: wind calls and all that. But I would think now,

434
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: especially with all the instruments. Yeah, the advancements in technology

435
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: and then the experience that we've had Sincepteber eleventh. Um,

436
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it's more of a blend of

437
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: art and science at this point, but we fun to

438
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: go back through to day and see what they're we're doing,

439
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen years later. Yeah, I mean I think

440
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: it's changed tremendously, just like g watt era. You know,

441
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: the technology is growning leaps and bounds. And you said

442
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: it's more about the math now than like trying to

443
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: like eyeball the wind calls and stuff like that. Yeah,

444
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: a lot more holds obviously, great advances in in in

445
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: scopes and how they do. It's just it's incredible what

446
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: I hear is going on out there today. So um,

447
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I'll be incorporating to future novels, that's for sure.

448
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: So what made you want to make that jump then

449
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: to officer? Yeah, so I I it was before September eleven,

450
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: and I had some let's say, less than stellar leadership

451
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: in my first couple of platoons, um, and so I

452
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I can either complain about this or

453
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: I can I can go the officer route and do

454
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: it better than it was done for me. UM. But

455
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: truth be told, had September eleven happened in the spring

456
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: of two thousand one, I would have stayed enlisted and

457
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: UH and gone that other route. But as it was was,

458
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: I had to make the decision in spring two thousand one,

459
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: and when I got back from my first or my

460
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: UH next deployment off, I went to o CS to

461
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: fold underwear and T shirts for three months, which somehow

462
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: qualifies you to lead men into battle, and then right

463
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: now to right back to the seal teams. You don't

464
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: have to go through a UM some sort I know.

465
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: They don't make you go through buds of course, thanks

466
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: second time, thank god, but you have to go through

467
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: some sort of like Seal Officer indoctrination. I think now

468
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: you go back through s q T Seal qualification training.

469
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I think it depends. I think there were UM I

470
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: didn't have to do that. I went right to the

471
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it was because of what was going on in

472
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: the war at the time, but I went back right

473
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: back to the seal teams to see him team too,

474
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: and then I was out the door in Afghanistan within

475
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: a within a few weeks, which was great because I

476
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: got some experience very early on as an officer, and um, yeah,

477
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: this kid couldn't put it. It was it was. It

478
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: was a great experience. And then got back to Team

479
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: two and then it was a couple of RAC deployments

480
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: after that. But um, it was it was a good

481
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: run for for being an officer. Um it was a

482
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: it was a good good run. So I feel very

483
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: fortunate to have been able to do the things that

484
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: I got to do for as long as I got

485
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: to do them. Yeah, Ian was showing me your resume

486
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: actually before I guess the public has shotted over to

487
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: us and he was like, I can't believe how many

488
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: Seal teams this guy's been And I was like, oh,

489
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: he's an officer, so he kind of had to go

490
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: to where the billets were. Um, but yeah, you had

491
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: a totally awesome run. It was pretty good for the

492
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: timing was pretty you know, pretty good, which is is

493
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: a lot of it of course, and um, uh, great

494
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: experience at at all my teams. And but now I

495
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of look at it and say, that's something I did,

496
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: and it's always a part of me. But now now

497
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: I write, yeah, these some other things, like have some

498
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: other business is going as well. But but I love writing.

499
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about writing the whole, the whole process

500
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: coming up with these of the ideas and coming up

501
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: the outlines and figure out the titles and then problem solving,

502
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: just like we did on the battlefield overseas, but doing

503
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: it in fiction now. So I'm just aggressively solving problems

504
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: on the written page instead of downrange with the guys.

505
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Fiction is a really good place I find to explore

506
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: ideas that, um, you couldn't do as I say a

507
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: journalist or a historian or something like that. Or maybe

508
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's just something that's very controversial, or maybe it's

509
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: something that you're never really gonna establish all the facts of.

510
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: But fiction is a place where you can kind of

511
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: explore different ideas and like what what you know? The

512
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: what ifs? Sure, No, it's a great place, great place

513
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: for that great place to exercise some of that creativity

514
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: and continue to because that's what it is. Creative, aggressive

515
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: problem solving down range, that's a that's that's what all

516
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: it is. And uh, doing the same thing here in

517
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: the pages of the of these books is h I

518
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: find it to be one therapeutic and to a lot

519
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: of fun and it's just I feel, like I said,

520
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: I keep saying, I feel very fortunate night because I

521
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: do to be doing what I wanted to do since

522
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: I was a little kid and have been working out.

523
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: The way it is is beyond belief. Really. One of

524
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: the other things I wanted to ask you about, just

525
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: going back to UM military stuff, was that I saw

526
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: that UM, when you were in the Seals, that your guys,

527
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: you and your guys had worked with UM Iraqi counterparts.

528
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have this idea

529
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: in their head that seals or rangers like maybe that's

530
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: something s F guys do. I don't think they realized that,

531
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: Like our entire military has basically been doing that in

532
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: this war, right, the Foreign Internal Defense UM, the thing

533
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: has uh we've we were doing it before then, and

534
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: we'll continue to do it well into the future, I'm sure.

535
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: But yeah. Book number two actually takes an experience that

536
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: I had working with the Iraqis downrange and like two

537
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: thousand and six I think it was, And uh, I

538
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: took it a certain experience that happened, and I thought, hey,

539
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: what if I just fictionalized this and made it a

540
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: lot more interesting and uh, but but the so it

541
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: is totally fiction, but the inspiration behind book number two

542
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: comes from from a real, real world of its um

543
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: and of course I totally fictionalized it and say, but

544
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: this is actually a movie. You're actually a great book.

545
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: How would I how would that read? And uh, there'd

546
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: be way more firefights for one, and a lot more

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: of that. Get throwing some some beautiful women. Uh, some

548
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: of that. There's a little some some conspiracy. You gotta

549
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: have some bad guys out there too, at the highest

550
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: levels of government. That's always fun. So um. Yeah, last

551
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: year I did some reporting from the Philippines and when

552
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I went and visited NAVSOG, the Philippine Seals. I mean

553
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: there's a American Seal platoon. They're working with them and

554
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: training them, and I mean those guys were doing great

555
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: work out there. It's very strong relationship between American Seals

556
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: and the Philippine Seals. It's really cool to say, yeah,

557
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: I got to spend a little time down there. Uh,

558
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: and that's where I really know I had I think

559
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: it was the first time I had more Army SF

560
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: guys um working with me than I did just seals.

561
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, those guys have been studying unconventional

562
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: warfare and studying um, you know, the culture and how

563
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: to negotiate, and uh do all that sort of thing

564
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: from day one in the Q corpse, whereas ours is

565
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of after we do all the aggressive stuff after

566
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: we So it's kind of it's kind of the flip model.

567
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: But I realized there was a great guy down there.

568
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I won't say his name because I didn't ask him

569
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: ahead of time, but a great warrant officer in Army

570
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: SF that was down there from first group. And uh,

571
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: I realized that, man, this guy knows what he's doing.

572
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: He has been studying this part of the world and

573
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: studying um, unconventional warfare type stuff for a long time.

574
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: And then that that's Army warrant course for s F

575
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: guys is awesome and it's learned so much there. So

576
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: that's when I started catching up on some of my

577
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: my studies rather than just how to kick in the

578
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: best way to kick in the door and take on

579
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: a target and all that stuff, And so just kind

580
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: of open my aperture quite a bit. And uh, the

581
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: Philippine Marine General in charge of our island, we came

582
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: like a mentor to me. That's how that's how um

583
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: is his name. I'm forgetting his name right now. He

584
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: actually wrote a thesis that's my bookshelf umb Noro, I think.

585
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: But great, great guy, and I just learned a ton

586
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: from him. So I just said, hey, you know, I'm

587
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of I'm here to learn from you. And I

588
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: got to learn a lot on that deployment that actually

589
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: found its way into the pages of the book because

590
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: that was the time I could take a breath and

591
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: actually study in the environment where these guys have been

592
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: countering this insurgency for you know, hundred years plus. So

593
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: they rebelling, they're you know what they're doing. And Philippine

594
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Marines are great. They're like so in so many ways,

595
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: they're like a mirror image of US Marines. Like you

596
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: could take a Philippine marine and put him in the

597
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: American Marine Corps and like you wouldn't be able to

598
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: tell the difference between the two. Have the same haircut,

599
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: se stature exactly, same attitude exactly, and just living out

600
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: there amongst the amongst the populace down there, I learned

601
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: a son. So it was great preparation for my next deployment.

602
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: To Iraq because then I had even more Army SF

603
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: guys than we were, um you know in those four

604
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: southernmost provinces of Southern Iraq for the drawdown and eventual withdrawal.

605
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, it was. It was great preparation for that.

606
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: And I've always had a great working relationship with with

607
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Army SF, so um, yeah it was. It was a

608
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: good run. Yeah, absolutely, And then uh you went and

609
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: did your you gotta go do some staff time or

610
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: at the training center. I did, so when I got back,

611
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that's really when I decided, Hey, it's it's time to

612
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: get out. But I still had a few years years

613
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: left all I hit that that twenty year mark. So

614
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: actually the timing worked out very well for me. So

615
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: even though I decided to get out when I got

616
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: back from that deployment, um, because up until that point,

617
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, what you owe to the guys would be

618
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: solely focused on the mission at hand, so you owe

619
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: them their families, you know, the mission in the country. Um.

620
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: But I found when I wasn't taking guys down range

621
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: and was now moving to the training command as the

622
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: as the ops officer. So essentially for people non military listening,

623
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: it's like a CEO of a company, just running day

624
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: to day type op or rations. Um, I had time

625
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: to take a breath and think about that transition. And

626
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys don't get that. A

627
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys come right off a deployment and then

628
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: say I'm getting out, and then they just have a

629
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: certain number of months, um possibly a year to make

630
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: that transition, but they haven't had the time to take

631
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: a breath and really look around and explore what they're right,

632
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: their options are and maybe Internet a few places to

633
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: really understand. Okay, if I get out of the military

634
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: and move on to this other um, this other sector,

635
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: what is that really like? Is it different than I've read? Uh,

636
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: different than what I think it's going to be like,

637
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: different than the movies I've seen about it. Um, So

638
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: to really be able to to explore their options um Uh.

639
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: Like I said, I had that time, Well, you guys

640
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: don't have that. We interviewed uh Todd of Pulski a

641
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: few weeks back. He was a marine once served in

642
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: jay Sock and then came back to the Marine Corps.

643
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Speaker 1: He was saying how fortunate he was and that the

644
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: last couple of years in the Marine Corps is writing

645
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: like policy letters or something. He was or no, he's

646
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: doing doctrine writing, and he was like, it was great

647
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: that I got to share some of that knowledge with

648
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the force, but I also how to breather behind it

649
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: dusk start to get my wife together before I retired. Exactly,

650
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: that was very beneficial. And being at the training commandment,

651
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: I think buds is it's a machine and it's it's moving,

652
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: so whether you're there or not, and it's exactly, yeah,

653
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: it's crushing souls daily. But though that, the worst part

654
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: actually was being to My office was right there by

655
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: the bell um, so my door was always open because

656
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: I don't think we had air conditioning. It would go

657
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: on at the wrong times and it was anyway, so

658
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: George were always open, so I always had a view

659
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: with that bell so I got to see pretty much

660
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: everybody that would walk up and stand there and ring

661
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: that thing and put their helmet down, and you just

662
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: feel so bad for these guys because you're like, you

663
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: know that he could have had the same dream for

664
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: the same amount of time that that I do growing up,

665
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: and now he's made the decision to to not continue

666
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: with the program. You can just see it in their eyes,

667
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: and it's that was that's the toughest part to see.

668
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, you never you want the right guys to

669
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: make it through. So it's the necessary part of the process.

670
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: But you know when you see it, it's like, oh man,

671
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: that's just tough. Um. And then of course the instructors

672
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: just they switch once you do that, and they're not

673
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: at the you know, the night wars that they were

674
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: up until that point, because you know, you want these

675
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: guys to think, hey, well, and it's true that, hey,

676
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: you can still go on, you can still serve your country,

677
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: you can still you can take what you've learned here,

678
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: um and apply it to the rest of your life

679
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: going forward. UM. So make this a productive type of

680
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: the type of thing rather than demoralizing when um. When

681
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I went through the Ranger indoctrination program, that was probably

682
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: like the best tactic they had because the guys who

683
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: quit they got to go sit by the fire eating MRI.

684
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: And I remember one of the instructors coming in lecturing

685
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: us like in the middle of a smoke session at

686
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: like three in the morning, and he was like, listen, men,

687
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: you can get up and quit right now. Go sit

688
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: by the fire. You can still be a good American,

689
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: could be a good soldier. Just quit your you know,

690
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: your friends can't see you. You're all laying down in

691
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: the dirt. Just get up and quick. That got more

692
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: people to quit than you know, push ups and flutter

693
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: kicks all that interesting. It works. Yeah. I remember being

694
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,239
Speaker 1: in Budz in that surf you know, start a hell

695
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: week and everybody's just starting to quit in droves, and uh,

696
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you guys would yell they come back,

697
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: come back, don't quit, And I was always is kind

698
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: of quiet because it was like the process is working. Yeah. Yeah,

699
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: I liked it. So I feel bad saying that we

700
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: had that. Um but it makes me sound like a

701
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: terrible person. But you're being honest about, you know, the

702
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: process and the job that you had to do. I

703
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: get it. Especially while you're going through the process, you

704
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: want to be one of those last men standing. I

705
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: get it. Because you can't have somebody who wants to

706
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: figuratively ring the bell in combat like you. Yeah, you

707
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: can't have it, and you gotta trust that the guy

708
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: next to you is gonna stick it out with you. Yeah.

709
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: Well it's a uh yeah, So it seems to be working,

710
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: and uh, you know what we have to have a

711
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: harder time with is selecting for character. So it's easy

712
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to find that guy that can run really fast and

713
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: not quit, but how do you select for character? And

714
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: I think it's true across the border. Yeah, so I

715
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: think it's really is. Do they do a few different

716
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: things where they actually get data points on that as

717
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: the guys go through for I think it's called the

718
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: probably changed the name, but you know flotilla third to

719
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: the their version of the Seals. Yeah, so they do

720
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: things that, uh, you like it, group of guys shovels

721
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: or paddles until them, Hey, to dig a foxhole for

722
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: yourself and dig one for the for the team here,

723
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: and then I'll see which ones dig their dig their

724
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: own first and which ones jump in and do the

725
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: group one and interest a little little data point. And

726
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: so they do a few different things like that where

727
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: they collect some information on character and can drop people

728
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: for that. Um And so yeah, I didn't know that

729
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: at all. That's really interesting. We don't necessarily do that

730
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: as well in our training pipelines. They might do it now,

731
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: but you know, has when I left it was still

732
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: push up, sit ups, run upstacle course swim. Well you

733
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: can you can see the strains on the military after

734
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: sixteen years of war that you know, starting to fray,

735
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: the ethics, the morality, things like that starting to fray

736
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I think you're right, it's important

737
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: to look at those things as well. Yeah, at least

738
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: add of points, at least have you know, the leadership

739
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: has has options if you need to get rid of

740
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: somebody that is actually passing the course on paper. But

741
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't have that, for lack of a better word,

742
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: team ability, doesn't have that that piece that we're looking for,

743
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: that intangible Well, that's why you have non selects, right,

744
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: guys who like like they we do it in the Army.

745
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: I think the Navy does the same, like they can

746
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: like board guys out like technically they made it through

747
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: all these physical events, but like that guy is not

748
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: a team player, right right, So yeah, I think we

749
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: do something similar, but you have to generate a lot

750
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: of paperwork. Uh so sometimes it sometimes guys do slip

751
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: through like any isn't that isn't that technically what happened

752
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: to that Dan Bills Arian guy? I mean he went

753
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: through the whole training twice right. I believe. I think

754
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: I heard him on Rogan and he talked something about

755
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: something like that, and then I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

756
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't there at the time, but I and I

757
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: believe Brandon interviewed him for software at Yeah, and he

758
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: taught you years ago, and I think he talked about that.

759
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: He you know, made it through Budgs did the entire

760
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: thing physically, and I guess at the very end, I

761
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't know because this is not my area expertise, but

762
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: they were just like, this is not the right guy

763
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: for the job. Maybe possibly, I don't know. Yeah, that's

764
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: what I believe is kind of revealed, And the interview

765
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: you did with Brian, I can tell you it definitely happens.

766
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: In a Special Forces assessment and selection. You have guys

767
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: who do well on all the physical events, they make

768
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: it to the end of the course, but they're not selected,

769
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: not invited to come to the qualification course. Got it.

770
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: It's because the instructors see something right there and actually

771
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: UM they do a lot of UM team events and

772
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: s f A as to see how you work with

773
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: other people, how do you how do you relate to

774
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: other people? And people end up becoming non selects because

775
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: of that. Interesting. Yeah, that's that's good. Yeah, that's good.

776
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: That's probably the most a more important trait than if

777
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: you you know, run your three miles and you know

778
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes or sixteen But how you how you do

779
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: it deal with with the team aspects of this and

780
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: how you contribute. So that's really it's all about, is

781
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: is you know, adding value to the team and is

782
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: this person going to add value when he shows up

783
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: at a Seal team in his first platoon? Um, And

784
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: that's that's what you're really looking for. You might remember

785
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: we had Secretary Yan Zinky in studio, former Seal and

786
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: uh it was just like moments before he became a

787
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: member of the administration. Uh. And you know it's funny

788
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: if you listen back to that full episode. I did

789
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: ask him, like, would you accept the position in the

790
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Trump administration? He gave me a very political answer. But

791
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Ryan is a really cool guy, uh or Commander Zinky,

792
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: And it was just such an honor to have him

793
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: in studio. UM really shortly before things shook up for him,

794
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: and he was, I guess, just the congressman from Montana.

795
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: He could say the lone congressman. But I mean that's

796
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: still a pretty cool position and powerful because you're the

797
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: lone congressman, as he talked about in the full episode. UM,

798
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: and this is from episode two. Brandon Webb was in

799
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: studio as well, and so was our friend Scott McEwen,

800
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the co author of American Commander. In this clip, we

801
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: talk about now Secretary Maddis because this was prior to

802
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: him getting the position, uh, talking about his position on

803
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: torture with the current president Donald Trump. From there we

804
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: get into some issues with the v A. Brandon Webb

805
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: gives some solutions. Check it out this UH this particular

806
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: articles from military dot Com. But I thought this was interesting.

807
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: Retired General James Maddis surprise President elect Donald Trump I

808
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: suggesting he rethink his position on waterboarding, telling him that

809
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: beer and cigarettes were a better alternative terror suspect interrogations.

810
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: Trump said that the advice from Maddis, a front runner

811
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: for the Defense secretary post, and a Trump administration would

812
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: weigh heavily on whether he will go forward with a

813
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: camp with campaign pledges to bring back water boarding and

814
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: torture and interrogations by the military and the CIA. In

815
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: his meeting last week with the man he calls Mad

816
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: Doug Maddis. Trump said, he asked, what do you think

817
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: of water boarding? And he said, I was surprised. He said,

818
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: I've never found it to be useful. Trump said, Maddis

819
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: told him, I've always found give me, give me a

820
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers, and I

821
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: do better with that than to do with torture. Probably

822
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: talking about but I've also interesting I've also been with

823
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: Maddest about negotiating with tribal members and his negotiation technique,

824
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, in some cases was or either you give

825
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: me this or I'll destroy your entire village. So you know,

826
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: so there's there's some other other techniques that are evolved Inness,

827
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: But I think I think Mad it's a big, great choice.

828
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: I think it's a warrior and I think with the

829
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Department Offense, I think we're too heavy on the bureaucracy.

830
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: We need to streamline it where the decisions that are

831
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: now being made Washington really are frontline decisions. We need

832
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: to push things back down the chain of command, in

833
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: power your frontline commanders to make the decision and back

834
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: you and back them. A boy, when the decisions are

835
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: all being rolled up by layers and layers and layers

836
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: of bureaucracy. What you do is you lose initiative in

837
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: the battlefield and it costs lives. And so I think

838
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: we need to push that authority down in madness of

839
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: all people understands that. That's how I was a little

840
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: um just looking at the the current candidates for the

841
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: Secretary of Veteran Affairs, UM, Scott Brown and Jeff Miller

842
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: didn't seem like very strong choices to me because and

843
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, one of them came from out of the

844
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: v A. Right, Lola's here studio with us. UM. You

845
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: know when you talk about the bureaucracy, that that to

846
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: me seems what what's a major issue with the v

847
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: A today is this massive red tape. And if you

848
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: don't have the fortitude like I can go into the

849
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: v A and and pound my way through that system

850
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not struggling with depression or any

851
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: of these other issues. The guys that really need help,

852
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: that are picking up that phone or you know, that

853
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: need the psychological help or the medical care just aren't

854
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: getting it. And it's because of this massive bureaucracy. Like

855
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: it's like going to the d m V where you

856
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: you have people that work there that just can't wait

857
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: to fight figure out how to say no. So I

858
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: don't don't know if you have any thoughts on on that.

859
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: Well I do know Jeff Miller and I like him.

860
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: What uh I think of the v A. It's it's

861
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the it's culture. The culture has to change and I

862
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: think you know a path ahead is to empower the

863
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: front line and make these decisions. But you know, the

864
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: v A you have on one side. You know what

865
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: is the v A. Are they gonna be a full

866
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: service hospital or they're going to look at at service

867
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: related injuries as servicemen get older in time? Is is

868
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the v AS evolved? You know a lot of the

869
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: the procedures are are aging hip replacements that they really

870
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: aren't related to the service related injury if if they

871
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: had one. So the v A has expanded its role.

872
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: You have some members, not a one, a lot, but

873
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: enough say they're a victim, they're not a victim, but

874
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: they're clogging the system. Uh and there and of course

875
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: you know there's only you know, so much money and

876
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: so many resources, and when people clogged the system, and

877
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: it's you know a lot of times is the people

878
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: that are beating the desk the hardest are the least deserving.

879
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: And that does it is it brings resources away from

880
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: people that really need the resources, that that really are

881
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: suffering from PTSD. They really have some problems. And that's

882
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: what we got to focus. And I think the way

883
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: to do it is is empower the people the front lines.

884
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Empower the healthcare provider. They don't have to reach back

885
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: and ask permission, you know, fifteen layers of bureaucracy above.

886
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Empower the people to make the right decision to front

887
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: line well. And then the tier point on culture. And

888
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I've come out of the seal teams and and being

889
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: in the executive world and building a business from scratch,

890
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, really appreciate made me appreciate the seal culture

891
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: that we had. I just get it done no matter what.

892
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: And if you don't know the answer the problem, You're

893
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: just gonna go figure out who does have the answer

894
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: and get the job done. Um. But I've seen it,

895
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: Like I've read probably two to three books a month

896
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: on businesses. And I'm in this entrepreneurs Organization New York

897
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: eleven members globally. Um, just some amazing entrepreneurs, and I've

898
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: seen these these guys, Like, the way to fix culture

899
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: is you've got to go in there and you need

900
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: a strong leader, and you need to come up with

901
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: a very simple, clear vision and anyone that doesn't buy

902
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: into that, you get you get them out of there.

903
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: And and that's to me that the v A like

904
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: the culture. It's you need a strong leader, but you

905
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: need to go in there and clean the decks. If

906
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: anyone's not buying into that, you get rid of them.

907
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: You put new leadership in place, because you've got to

908
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: build that culture. Um, you know it, it really does come,

909
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I believe from the top down. Like and you've got

910
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: to set the example. Recently, Um, you know, we added

911
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: we have a guy a company that manages our ad

912
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: implementation for our website. So a company like Taurus wants

913
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: to advertise the come in. Here's the ad campaign. Um,

914
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: we're running a Black Friday special and we sent our

915
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: ads on this was I think Friday, and we said, hey,

916
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: we need some more to the ad company and I said,

917
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: we need some more, some more ads like jam these

918
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: in into the network. And the guy also the guy said,

919
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: was all that's why you're sending this on a Friday,

920
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: and it always was a bitch and complaint. I was like,

921
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: you're fired. I was like, and I told my team,

922
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, look, we don't have time for anybody

923
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: that's going to come up with excuses of why they

924
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: can't do anything. And I got emails from from some

925
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: of the some of my teammates, um my brand guy

926
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: Jason who who you've met. He was like, hey, man,

927
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that that we have this culture around

928
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: here where people that come up with excuses are saying no,

929
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: like you just we don't tolerate that. And so that's

930
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a little bit of a rant, but um,

931
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: it's very important to me to build that build that

932
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: culture and really mirror the culture and spirit of of

933
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: the special operations communities where we just don't have time

934
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: for that and we just don't have time for it.

935
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: And and when you foster that culture, it really does

936
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: boost the morale of everyone on the whole team. And

937
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: that that's what I you know, need to focus on

938
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: healthcare providers. They were like most government organizations, we've just

939
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: become too bureaucratic, we're too top heavy. Um. I love

940
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: the Trump thing about the hiring freeze because you and

941
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: I both know we've worked with the GS guys that

942
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: should have been fired hiring freeze. And then as people

943
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: people leave, you should hire lower lower levels and and

944
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: and and be able to get rid of the GS guys. Right,

945
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: And there's a v A Accountability Act. You should you

946
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: should be able to fire person for gross negligence. I mean,

947
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I had a tenant. I had

948
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: a tenant in Ocean Beach, found a four unit department building.

949
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: This guy worked for the City of San Diego, and

950
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: he was the only guy didn't run credit on him.

951
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: He was an engineer for the City of San Diego.

952
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: Like the resume didn't bother running credit four months later

953
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: when he hasn't paid his rent and like, holy sh it,

954
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: what just happened? Turns out I called his I called

955
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: the city. Oh yeah, he hasn't been to work in

956
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: twelve months. He's a methodic. Him and his girlfriend are

957
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: like doing drugs in this un I couldn't get rid

958
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: of him us, Like, you've been just paying him. He

959
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: hasn't been to work in twelve months. Yeah, you know,

960
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's just is what it is. I'm like

961
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: this is crazy. How can a government worker not show

962
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: up to work for twelve months and still drop paycheck

963
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: and he's got a meth problem. So um, But anyway,

964
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: that's just an example. Like that's how I feel like

965
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: this GS system is set up where people should be

966
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: fired for gross negligence or poor performance, and it's very

967
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: hard to get rid of, almost impossible to get rid

968
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: of a government service. And there are some really really

969
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: good people, agreed working there, and you know, you give

970
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: you give him a power and authority to do good things.

971
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Generally they will. But when you have a bureaucracy that goes,

972
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: no one can say yes desks, all they can say

973
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: is no, yeah. And and you know, medical decisions need

974
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: to be made on the front line very quickly. And

975
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: then so that the V eight does need need to

976
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: do a cultural shift. And then we had to decide

977
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: whether what what's the core of the v A. Is

978
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: it going to be all service, all medical all the time,

979
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: or is it going to be focused on on service

980
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: related injuries are going to be a specialty and outsourced

981
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: the other things. And these these are the decisions that

982
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: had to be had to be made. But most people

983
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: would agree the current system is inadequate and networking. Yeah,

984
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I agreed, absolutely, And that's all for this episode of

985
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: Softwap Radio. I hope the guys enjoyed it. I know

986
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that there were some great feedback on the Best of

987
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: Army Special Operations episode that we did, so I figured, hey,

988
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: let's do something for the seals, and uh, that was this.

989
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: And I should point out I know a lot of

990
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: you guys listen on SoundCloud or Apple podcasts, so some

991
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,960
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992
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: twenty six or Frewman Terius six one, you're not gonna

993
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: see up on Apple Podcasts or SoundCloud because we don't

994
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: have the full back catalog of those episodes on there,

995
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: so you might be wondering where do I get those? Well,

996
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, SOFTWAREP Radio dot com is our

997
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: new website and the full archive is all there. And

998
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: if you're wondering, you don't have to be a subscriber

999
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1005
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1006
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1007
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday with a new episode. If you're checking this

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